[06:36] <adamant1988> hello my fellow ubuntu marketing team members :)
[06:37] <Burgundavia> greetings adamant1988
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey adamant1988
[06:38] <adamant1988> I have to tell you guys, I am synergized lol.
[06:38] <adamant1988> I feel all this great creative energy all about the Linux Center idea.
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats t about (*bit out of date :|*)
[06:40] <adamant1988> haha Kamping_Kaiser I have been given floor space in a local shop to do what I wish with, I have chosen to use the space as a location to market linux, up until tonight I was truly at odds with what I would be able to do with the space... I had 3 distros that I wanted to support, but I've narrowed it down a lot.
[06:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice job :)
[06:42] <adamant1988> I have a lot of work to do... I know how to make Ubuntu everything the end-user needs it to be, legally. But I am going to have to do a lot of work on legal issues and patent holdings and all that...
[06:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> :| bloody patents
[06:43] <adamant1988> agreed....
[06:44] <adamant1988> however I'll need to pull this off right... if I do everything the way it needs to be done... there may be more than one Ubuntu Center.
[06:44] <adamant1988> GAH I need to write these things down.
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> just log :)
[06:47] <adamant1988> at least novell is damn good at producing applications that I like :)
[06:48] <adamant1988> ok, guys work with me here
[06:48] <adamant1988> what is a good incentives reward for bringing in more people to Ubuntu.  What can I offer as a reward, preferably cheap/free.
[06:50] <adamant1988> SLED 10 will be perfect for Businesses... but Ubuntu... ubuntu can be made to do anything...
[06:50] <adamant1988> all it takes is a little adjustment on the behalf of a preinstaller...
[06:51] <adamant1988> The community takes what it likes from other distros and integrates, or at least adds, the option to Ubuntu... it's incredible...
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm not sure about perfect for busness... depends which business to  a large degree - but lets just say i wont be deplying it anyware :)
[06:53] <adamant1988> lol
[06:53] <ormiret> adamant1988: to my mind the incentive you should be puching is doing something good for person B that preson A introduces to ubuntu
[06:54] <ormiret> (with any luck you get what I mean - despite that horribly clumsy sentence)
[06:54] <adamant1988> Yes, but there could be a more 'physical' representation of some accomplishment on the half of Person A.
[06:55] <adamant1988> yay, beachboys...
[06:55] <adamant1988> all the leaves are brown, and the sky is grey.
[06:57] <adamant1988> I'm energized.. I was playing with linspire, and it I was like.. man... maybe Ubuntu isn't for the end user.... and then it dawned on me... ubuntu isn't about ever doing something with the OS on your own.  There's rediculous amounts of documentation available, forums, chat rooms, etc.
[06:57] <adamant1988> I, personally, can make Ubuntu ready for the end-user.
[06:57] <adamant1988> just by offering to help.
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> back in ~1hr. i'll chat then :)
[07:01] <adamant1988> ok, quick, how can I make an application for ubuntu installable from CD?
[07:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> you mean a repository on a cd?
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> or just installable?
[07:02] <ormiret> just put the deb on the CD - gdebi will install it
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> make cd -> make index.html -> make autorun index.html -> tell them to click links ;)
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> or use something like falcon to make a repo, and move it to the cd (might work)
[07:02] <adamant1988> I mean like putting a program on a CD and letting them install from it
[07:03] <adamant1988> second thing... what functionality is it that Klik offers that is worth the time?
[07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> *gone*
[07:19] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14577991@N00/sets/72157594214597851/
[07:19] <nixternal> Ubuntu Chicago Local Community Team Meeting Kicked Arse
[07:21] <whiprush> nixternal: there's an ubuntu chicago team?
[07:21] <nixternal> yes
[07:21] <nixternal> i am the team lead
[07:21] <adamant1988> wow, I love the usp
[07:21] <nixternal> we have around 20 members, 10 showed up briefly
[07:21] <whiprush> <-- ubuntu detroit
[07:22] <nixternal> nice whiprush, im originally from benton harbor, sw michigan guy here ;)
[07:22] <whiprush> nixternal: dude I have a good friend in the area, I'll send him your way, you guys have a webpage?
[07:22] <adamant1988> Ubuntu, West By-God Virginia :)
[07:22] <whiprush> he's been looking for a LUG in chicago for like, 5 years.
[07:22] <nixternal> http://chi.ubuntu-us.org   &    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam
[07:22] <nixternal> there are a few good lugs
[07:22] <whiprush> I'll send him your way
[07:22] <nixternal> we handed out 200 CDs tonight
[07:22] <nixternal> cool whiprush, he is more then welcome!
[07:22] <adamant1988> Nice, nixternal :)
[07:23] <nixternal> oh, and 200 sets of stickers
[07:23] <whiprush> those cool silvery ones? the ones from that german site?
[07:23] <adamant1988> we should be able to order CD's without worrying about shipit ignoring our request...
[07:23] <nixternal> nah, the ones from shipit
[07:24] <nixternal> shipit don't ignore my requests
[07:24] <nixternal> i just got another 200 today for another event coming up
[07:24] <whiprush> if you mail shipit and tell them it's for a show or a large gathering, they'll bump you up in priority.
[07:24] <adamant1988> oh that reminds me... the 50 CD's I ordered... I can't get them... they're mailed to my mothers...
[07:25] <whiprush> nixternal: dude you guys should come to http://ohiolinux.org. I gave an ubuntu talk there last year, there was like, 1000 people.
[07:25] <whiprush> we gave out 800 CDs.
[07:25] <nixternal> nice
[07:25] <nixternal> this next event, total the team will have between 1000 and 2000 CDs if everythng goes as planned
[07:25] <whiprush> the gnomejournal guys are from chitown too, they made the trip
[07:25] <whiprush> we should so get a booth going this year.
[07:25] <nixternal> all my CDs i have ordered have gotten here within a week as well
[07:26] <nixternal> really
[07:26] <nixternal> i gotta hit them guys up
[07:26] <whiprush> It's a great show, TONS of ubuntu users.
[07:27] <whiprush> it's becoming THE show in the midwest.
[07:27] <whiprush> IBM, Novell, digium, etc ...
[07:27] <nixternal> nice..i will definitely make it out
[07:27] <whiprush> sweet, I had no idea there was a chicago team.
[07:28] <nixternal> just created it as a matter of fact
[07:29] <nixternal> mike greenwood had the idea, and has been to busy, so since i have been workign with the community quite a bit, i took the reins and got it going..then i got lucky and had a few really good guys hop on with great skills, connections, and ambition
[07:30] <nixternal> funny story, we had a guy snap a pic of the entire team in front of a fountain..and i gave him a cd and started to explain it to him..he said he would put it in his radio and listen to it on the way home
[07:30] <nixternal> i wish we would have gotten a picture of him holding the cd...it was too funny
[07:32] <adamant1988> I just placed an order for 200 shipit CDs
[07:34] <adamant1988> I'm expecting them to bump it down.. I'll be glad to get 100
[07:39] <Madpilot> nixternal, that Ubuntu Chicago poster came out well
[07:39] <nixternal> dude, it is sweet!
[07:40] <nixternal> i have a laminated one right here...the one in the photo got signed by the team, screen names, and gpg keys...we are sending it to Mark
[07:40] <Madpilot> nice
[07:40] <Madpilot> Canonical is going to have to start an "Ubuntu Archive"
[07:41] <Madpilot> probably in a closet in someone's office ;)
[07:41] <nixternal> haha
[07:41] <nixternal> my poster better get hung up
[07:42] <nixternal> i want a pic of Mark holding it
[07:42] <adamant1988> lol
[07:43] <Madpilot> Other cool Ubuntu stuff: my Ubuntu Canada logo, applied to a t-shirt by some guy in Toronto: http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e97/lophyte/Shirts/IMG_0176.jpg
[09:05] <Burgundavia> whiprush: my ex is making a tshirt with the freedom quote
[09:07] <whiprush> Burgundavia: count me in, I'll buy one
[09:07] <Burgundavia> I guess I will have to scare a bunch up
[09:07] <Burgundavia> whiprush: you think ubucon is still worth going to?
[09:07] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, which freedom quote?
[09:08] <Burgundavia> perkypants.org
[09:09] <Madpilot> cool ;)
[09:09] <whiprush> Burgundavia: Deborah from the book said she was going.
[09:10] <Burgundavia> to ubucon?
[09:10] <Burgundavia> in that case, I had better go
[09:10] <whiprush> Burgundavia: also, last I talked to jdub he was going to ask chris dibona what the deal was, since google is hosting the thing.
[09:10] <whiprush> Burgundavia: if you see jeff before I do on irc, ping him.
[09:11] <Burgundavia> I saw him today, but only for 1 line
[09:11] <Burgundavia> hmm, tickets just got cheaper. 289 CAD
[09:11] <whiprush> Burgundavia: I've got tons of friends from ars coming, and between us all, we can probably fill a good day's worth of content, so if google is willing to host ...
[09:11] <Burgundavia> ok, I will book tomorrow
[09:11] <Burgundavia> well, I always did want to travel...
[09:12] <whiprush> sweet, dude be ready to do a talk
[09:12] <Burgundavia> ah, crap
[09:12] <whiprush> I have a feeling that this will be a "show up, you get to talk" event.
[09:12] <whiprush> since the schedule is blank
[09:13] <Burgundavia> I think/hope I have the money
[09:16] <Burgundavia> whiprush: how long are you going for?
[09:17] <whiprush> LWE+ubucon
[09:18] <Burgundavia> I wish I had the time
[09:18] <whiprush> 14-20 august.
[09:18] <Burgundavia> maybe I can get my company to help me with LWE
[09:18] <whiprush> work is sending me to LWE, the ubucon extension I pay for myself.
[09:19] <whiprush> and (yay!), I get GNOME booth duty for lwe.
[09:20] <Burgundavia> where do you work for again?
[09:20] <whiprush> oakland.edu
[09:20] <Burgundavia> why did I think you were in Detriot for some reason?
[09:20] <whiprush> I am
[09:20] <whiprush> oakland.edu is in oakland county, michigan.
[09:21] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:21] <whiprush> not to be confused with oakland, the city next to san francisco
[09:21] <Burgundavia> yes, hence why I was confused
[09:21] <whiprush> Burgundavia: I don't have space for you in my hotel room in SF though, I have like, three people claiming floor space. I got a spot for you in boston though.
[09:22] <whiprush> I'll check with a coworker who is also going, see if he has space if you need a place to crash for LWE.
[09:23] <Burgundavia> let me see if I can see if work will cover half
[09:27] <Burgundavia> damn, tim is already going
[09:27] <whiprush> tim?
[09:27] <Burgundavia> company president. Just looking at the userful wiki to see if there was any plans of ours
[09:27] <whiprush> to LWE or ubucon?
[09:28] <Burgundavia> LWE
[09:28] <whiprush> easy fix.
[09:28] <whiprush> a) the gnome booth needs volunteers.
[09:29] <whiprush> b) your new books' publishers will be there, surely in your bio you mention who you work for, so it's easy marketing for them.
[09:29] <Burgundavia> yep, that I do
[09:29] <whiprush> c) professional development
[09:30] <whiprush> So, he can wander the floor looking at the commercial crap, you market your book and your services at a .Org booth, sounds like a win-win for him.
[09:31] <Burgundavia> sounds good to me. Now I just need to sell it
[09:31] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, is Userful doing a booth @ LWE?
[09:31] <Burgundavia> no, just wondering the floor
[09:31] <Burgundavia> wandering, rather
[09:34] <whiprush> Burgundavia: you're in -marketing, be prepared to sell. :D
[09:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> who was asking about making autorun cds?
[09:36] <Burgundavia> ah, the stupidities of closed source companies
[09:36] <Burgundavia> Userful has not one but two products for time control
[09:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks ormiret
[09:37] <Burgundavia> ironically, it is the high end one that is now open source
[09:40] <Burgundavia> whiprush: have you ever heard of openacs?
[09:40] <whiprush> no, googling
[09:41] <whiprush> wow, never heard of it, but apparently lots of people use it
[09:41] <Burgundavia> it was an AOL project
[10:03] <Burgundavia> night
[10:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> later
[10:48] <digitalmouse> greetings programs
[10:49] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: howdy
[11:02] <digitalmouse> you folks staying out of trouble I hope?
[11:11] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Yeah, more or less :)
[11:33] <digitalmouse> good, good
[11:56] <Madpilot> whiprush, if  you're still around: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/4quality4freedom.png
[11:56] <Madpilot> just messing with Inkscape
[11:56] <Madpilot> night all
[11:57] <matthewrevell> night
[02:30] <matthewrevell> hey - anyone in here?
[02:31] <bimberi> hi matthewrevell
[02:33] <matthewrevell> bimberi: Hi :)
[02:33] <matthewrevell> You been following the ML?
[02:34] <bimberi> oh yes
[02:34] <bimberi> we've been shown the way eh?
[02:34] <matthewrevell> I'm slightly concerned at the way my emails have got people on the defensive
[02:34] <matthewrevell> If we don't debate stuff like that, we're gonna get nowhere...
[02:35] <matthewrevell> I just wanted to check if anyone else thought I was coming across okay or as a ****
[02:35] <matthewrevell> :)
[02:35] <bimberi> hehe
[02:36] <bimberi> no i don't think so
[02:36] <matthewrevell> nice :)
[02:36] <matthewrevell> I just think we need less of the, "Hey, you're so cool" stuff and more, "Right, let's see if this works"
[02:37] <bimberi> i think jb's initial reaction was highly enthusiastic - good to get a steadying hand on that
[02:39] <bimberi> btw, i agree that the counter isn't great as a 'get to know what your customer wants' tool but it could be useful for other marketing related things - assessing the effectivness of initiatives could be one example
[02:42] <elkbuntu> calm down matthewrevell im not on the defensive
[02:42] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Hey, I'm not worked up :)
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> (background info - i pasted elkbuntu from 'folloowing ml' to 'btw ,  i agree'
[02:43] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: I just wanted to check that I wasn't coming across as overly negative.
[02:44] <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, im in agreement that it's not the holy grail, but the project is also still in it's infancy, it can grow with the right advice etc.
[02:44] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: I like your counter idea.
[02:44] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Cool :)
[02:46] <elkbuntu> i guess i shold probably add this channel to autojoin now ;)
[02:47] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: It'll be good to have you here :)
[02:47] <bimberi> too right, you're a natural :)
[02:47] <elkbuntu> heh
[02:48] <elkbuntu> we cant go imposing on yet another channel karl :P
[02:48] <matthewrevell> I take you guys know each other :)
[02:48] <bimberi> matthewrevell: this goes on in #ubuntu-au quite a lot
[02:49] <elkbuntu> bimberi, -au is my channel, biatch ;)
[02:49] <matthewrevell> Where's mdke when you need him to remind people the channel is logged? :)
[02:50] <bimberi> elkbuntu: ooer ;p
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> matthewrevell, i know it is -  so? :)
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi, hehe
[02:50] <elkbuntu> 0:)
[02:55] <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, i take it you took a look at the weekly snapshot. i'll be doing a monthly access report based on the awstats output as well. i'm also willing to share the user db with email addresses removed.
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm. passwords?
[02:56] <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, are md5 encrypted and trimmed :)
[02:57] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: YEah, saw the weekly. Interesting stuff. I recommend getting it in UWN.
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:57] <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, who runs that show?
[02:57] <matthewrevell> Sharing the stats in the marketing ML will definitely be interesting.
[02:58] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Matt Galvin
[02:58] <matthewrevell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter
[02:59] <matthewrevell> right, must go. elkbuntu hope you realise that my intention on the ML was to query John, more than your project
[02:59] <bimberi> matthewrevell: that was how i read it (as i said)
[03:00] <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, sure. but i felt like i needed to clarify, which is hard to do without sounding on the defense
[04:02] <adamant1988> hello all
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey
[04:07] <matthewrevell> adamant1988: hey
[04:12] <adamant1988> how is everyone today?
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> excited
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> you?
[04:13] <adamant1988> same, and a little tired.
[04:13] <adamant1988> I need to figure out where I can get some starting assets from to start the Ubuntu Center.
[04:15] <adamant1988> and I need to talk to Ubuntu preinstallation companies like system 76 about carrying their line of computers..
[04:16] <mdke> what is an Ubuntu Center?
[04:17] <adamant1988> It's my own project Mdke... and if it goes over well, I'm going to apply for a business license for it
[04:17] <adamant1988> right now I have 60 square feet of floor space to do what I want with in a store that gets somewhat decent traffic.  I'm allowed to advertise through them etc.
[04:19] <mdke> so you're going to sell computers with Ubuntu on?
[04:20] <mdke> very cool
[04:20] <adamant1988> yep, I'm also going to do Ubuntu installations for free, I'm also going to package up special bundles of the live CDs for sale.
[04:21] <mdke> awesome
[04:22] <adamant1988> the main idea behind this is that I think Ubuntu will be better spread by physical stablishments that have a physical product, than an online site