=== pygi [n=pygi@89-172-239-169.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-10-33-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:24] Burgwork, you have a sec? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [01:28] Howdy [01:29] hey bddebian [01:29] Hi pygi [01:29] how is you? [01:30] OK thanks, you? [01:30] tired, am working on this libburn stuff for ages =P [01:30] otherwise I am fine :) [01:31] Ah :-) === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-146-161-59.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [01:32] bddebian, what??! :) [01:33] I mean ah, that you are tired from working on libburn [01:35] =P [01:35] pygi, I do [01:35] trying to revive the silly project which was abandoned for no real reason :P [01:36] Burgwork, have you heard from our lill' friend working on Epiphany plugin? [01:36] Safety Boat [01:36] not in a few days [01:36] you? [01:36] nop, that's why I am asking [01:37] it's like only 23 days till the end [01:37] nor have I seen any code [01:37] me neither :-/ [01:37] this is bad, very bad :( [01:38] yes it is [01:38] do we have any other simmilar student? [01:38] what do you mean? [01:38] working on safety boat or lost ones? [01:38] well, who isn't responding, no code seen, bla, bla [01:38] is he the only issue or we have more? [01:38] not certain, not been much involved with SoC recently [01:39] hm, right, but I think we need to sort this Anselmo guy [01:39] but I haven't heard much except for Amaranth and ajmitch [01:39] I hear from my three students, and Ryan [01:40] that is good [01:40] and abbatoir, amaranth and ajmitch ofcourse :) [01:40] I think this year is more successful === pygi nods as he thinks the same [01:40] what is sad is that about 3 or 4 women approached me to work on safety boat as part of gnome wsop [01:41] yup, you told me that :( [01:41] and at the end, we probably wont get it :-/ [01:41] nope [01:41] Mine is already mostly useful for a desktop (or ltsp setup). [01:41] where are the packages for that again? [01:41] as it seems the logs are busted right now [01:42] I think we should write guidelines for next year (some kind of atleast) for both mentors, and students [01:42] Burgwork: REJECTED :) [01:42] err, :( [01:42] Python policy stuff. [01:42] Amaranth, :P [01:42] this year is much better pygi [01:42] google is far more organized and has learned a great deal [01:42] Burgwork, well it is, but it can be even better =P [01:42] Waiting on the latest cdbs upload to hit the archives so I can depend on it then it should be good to go (cdbs had a bashism). [01:42] I still haven't gotten paid. [01:43] we've made some mistakes this year that shouldn't happen again [01:43] Amaranth, first or second send-out? [01:43] pygi: First. [01:43] Have people gotten the second? [01:43] Amaranth, still havent got first? :-/ [01:43] nop, not yet [01:43] If so I've missed that too because I was supposed to be one of the first to get that one. [01:44] howcome? [01:44] Why was I supposed to be one of the first? === pygi nods [01:44] Because they missed my first one and I'm in the US. :P [01:45] ah =P [01:45] perhaps they will send both in package =P [01:45] They are. === DanielC is now known as DanielC_zzzz === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [03:08] Amaranth: ping [03:09] pong [03:10] Amaranth: the safety boat person wants to chat with you about how he can hook up with your app [03:12] talking to him [03:18] perfect === anselmolsm [n=anselmo@200-232-236-49.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu [03:43] Amaranth: http://www.icra.org/systemspecification/ [03:43] Burgundavia: No. [03:43] Amaranth: like it or not, it is something that is needed [03:44] Burgundavia: I don't want to read a multipage document, I want a list of 5 or so categories. :P [03:44] oh, that [03:44] Anything beyond what I have right now will likely have to wait for someone else to do it or next summer unless school doesn't swamp me. [03:45] http://www.icra.org/decode/ [03:45] likely you might have to wait [03:45] it appears to be needleesly complicated [03:46] Indeed. [03:46] plus there are three different vocabs [03:46] I was thinking "sex", "violence", etc. [03:46] you almost need a complete parser just for that [03:46] well, you can half implement a subset [03:46] These aren't going to offer sublevels of allowance either, this is just different pools of words. [03:47] just block the first letter and get into the subsections later [03:47] The classifier checks the current page against the pools and tells which one it likely fits in. [03:47] ah [03:47] I leave it up to you to work out how to do it [03:48] I'm talking about the bayesian filter, not some separate system. [03:49] ah [03:50] basically the bayesian system weights stuff? so this could simply add another weight? (a rather large one) [03:50] Oh, this is what anselmolsm was talking about? [03:50] Burgundavia: It's a very complicated weighting system, if you want to call it that. [03:50] yes [03:50] I can't really modify it without extensive testing. [03:51] The math is, to be honest, mostly above me. [03:51] ok [03:51] so the interactions with this would be quite subtle and complex and require a great deal of thought [03:52] indeed [03:52] you change one thing and it throws the entire results off [03:52] so it spits out a final number, ala SA? [03:53] some of the smartest people in the world are still working on ways to fine tune this system and they run into the same problems :P [03:53] it spits out a number for every pool [03:54] right now i have two pools: good and bad [03:54] if bad has a higher number i say it's bad and vice versa [03:54] ok [03:55] i can do some fine-tuning with the output numbers (like, say, mark something as good unless the bad value is higher than 0.7) but changing the algorithm itself is probably a bad idea [03:56] i was thinking i could create a good pool and then a sex pool and a violence pool and so on [03:56] Amaranth, let me see if I got your point: A website is bloqued or not, there's no intermediate level? [03:56] but then it takes more work for someone to mark something as bad because they have to say why it's bad [03:56] yeah, right now it's either blocked or not blocked [03:56] (I think I wasn't clear in my question) [03:57] I'm thinking about an example to illustrate it better [03:58] You can't say "block porn sites but allow violent sites" [03:58] unless you only mark porn sites as bad [03:59] the way it's setup the browser doesn't have anything to do with it [03:59] except to use it as a proxy [04:00] to control it you have to be running as root (or sudo) [04:00] brb [04:02] Ok, ofr me it sound less complicated... Thinking here about the example I realized that this way is better [04:03] As you've said, about sex and violence, it'll be difficult to find a situation when it'll be ok for one and not for another... [04:12] indeed [04:13] you can train willowng to think one is bad and one is good but i can't see many doing that [04:13] i hope that wasn't your whole project [04:16] no, it isn't [04:16] btw, the irca is worthless [04:16] It's not in the best interest of a porn website to make it easy to block them. [04:17] The difference now is that our projects will talk less than I've thought [04:17] Yeah I don't think a whole lot of interaction is needed. [04:18] Other than training it my program is supposed to be transparent to anything doing web access. [04:21] I think now only the whitelists and blacklists will need to be sent to willowng [04:21] Fun thing there: willowng only lets you talk to it as root (or with sudo). [04:21] So you'd have to run your browser as root or make a call to an external program. [04:23] anselmolsm: is the control app not a seperate thing? [04:25] the control is separeted [04:25] hence not an issue [04:31] Burgundavia, only the config about the start pages and search engines will run from the inside of Epiphany (do you agree??) [04:33] yes [04:35] the homepage stuff is just content [04:35] it can even conceivably be split out === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu [06:10] morning all [06:18] morning [06:18] well, night for me :) [06:28] :P [06:41] Aye me too, hi pygi, gnight pygi :-) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [08:51] hey jsgotangco [08:51] hey [08:51] what's up Burgundavia? [08:52] not much === Yagisan-aWay is Away, Reason: ( "Real life :(" ) | Since: ( Saturday July 29 2006. 13:32:46 ) Xlack v2.1 === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [09:03] yeah its a boring weekend for me as well (it started raining agian) === mhz loves the smell after rain [09:23] rodarvus: ping === mhz is now known as mhz_off === Yagisan-aWay is back ( Away 1 hour 37 mins 31 secs ) === DanielC_zzzz is now known as DanielC === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu [11:19] hi guys [11:19] any one got a good way to find and replace multiple lines in multiple files? [11:22] cbx33: can you be more specific? [11:22] ok [11:23] I'm working on some html pages [11:23] I'm handy with Perl, maybe I can help. [11:23] that all have the same navigation code [11:23] oooh [11:23] it can be code I edit each time to make find and replace === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [11:23] I just need it to go through each html/php file in that directory [11:23] search for a given block of code [11:23] and replace with antoher given block of coed [11:23] Wait... do you have a webserver with php? [11:24] yes [11:24] If so, you should just use php include(). [11:24] [11:24] And put your navigation in that file. [11:24] oh yeh [11:24] that is the longer term plan [11:24] :) [11:24] maybe I should do it now [11:24] and skip all this trouble [11:25] I just cba at the moment [11:25] That would be my advice. [11:25] grrrr damn you DanielC :p [11:25] If you send me the files I'll do the conversion. [11:25] It's probably a simple perl script. [11:26] well it is just items being added to the navigation [11:26] so you're right I should spend the time and do it properly [11:27] I'm sure I can write a script to remove the navigation from each file and replace it by [11:27] nah that's fine, I'll do it....hehe [11:27] there are 5 different templates.. [11:27] www.kitestudio.com [11:28] ok === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === MrGreen [n=MrGreen@client-82-2-89-45.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:55] Err can you like load ubuntu after XP? === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has left #edubuntu [] [12:52] ping Yagisan === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089F0B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:04] ping ogra_ === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [02:16] ping anyone :p [02:16] poke cbx33 [02:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds [02:17] check out the last one [02:17] opinions really really welcome [02:18] nice, but I would never let this play every time I login =P [02:20] bah [02:20] why [02:20] what are _you_ looking for [02:24] cbx33, something more calm [02:24] I'd be glad to help with this (guitar) but I currently have no way to record it [02:24] hehe [02:25] well, seeing as it hasn't changed since breezy and I'm desperate to do some music stuff [02:25] and I have ilttle time because I do so much ubuntu word [02:25] I thought i'd combine the two [02:25] actually no, i think it hasn't changed sine warty [02:25] someone said [02:26] well, it's nice, I would just turn it off =P [02:26] But who am I to say anything :) [02:26] did you trun off the current one? [02:27] pygi, I'm really interested in your opinions - and would love to hear anything you can contribute, once you find a way to :p [02:27] cbx33, I don't have sound enabled currently :) [02:27] hahah [02:28] I did enable it for this tho =P [02:29] phew [02:29] I was wondering if you just listened to 10 secs of silence [02:30] it's been a nightmare trying to get feedback from anyone else other than the edubuntu community [02:31] lol, silence :) [02:31] hm, so you need a feedback? [02:31] want me to help ? :) [02:32] with getting feedback [02:33] yes [02:37] oki, you'll get dozen by the end of the day :) [02:41] cbx33, you alive? :P [02:41] yes [02:42] thank you [02:42] :D [02:42] where [02:42] email? [02:42] or on the wiki? [02:45] read email pls :) [02:45] if you are subscribe to ubuntu-users, kubuntu-users, or edubuntu-users [02:46] ok [02:47] cbx33, and tell me what you think ;) [02:47] ok [02:47] hang on [02:47] just working on another theme === pygi hangs himself [02:54] pygi, another tune on the wiki [02:54] bottom one [02:54] cbx33, will go listen [02:54] you read mail pls :) [02:55] am doing [02:55] cbx33, btw. please use ogg :) [02:55] i did to begin with and every said...oh I havn't got ogg [02:56] pygi, I'm on edubuntu-users [02:56] I don;t see a new mail though? [02:56] damn === pygi wonders what happened with his mail === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [02:57] maybe it got cought in filters [02:57] ok, will pm you [02:58] ok [02:58] looks great [02:58] maybe I should send to the lists [02:58] :S [02:58] Hello [02:58] hi bddebian [02:59] :-) [02:59] cbx33, I sent it already, please dont [02:59] it will be there [03:00] ok [03:00] poke lists maintainer to see if it got stuck or something [03:00] or just servers are slow as usual ;) [03:00] heheh [03:03] cbx33, just you laugh ;) [03:21] pong cbx33 === th1a_ [n=th1a@158.59.225.110] has joined #edubuntu [03:28] hi Yagisan [03:28] how goes it [03:28] busy cbx33 [03:28] nope [03:28] taking a breather [03:29] going to play drums in an hour :D [03:29] cbx33, I really need to type punctuation [03:29] you're busy? [03:29] cbx33, but that answers my next question [03:29] man I'm confised :p [03:30] cbx33, me busy - kids going to bed [03:30] ahhh [03:30] cbx33, you lucky man. relaxing. I'm not sure what relax is anymore ... [03:30] howz it all going? === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-199-240.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ is now known as pygi === th1a__ [n=th1a@158.59.224.254] has joined #edubuntu === Xymor [i=enforcer@201.19.31.252] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@pc-84-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:53] just loged in to let everyone (in case you need to ping me today) that I wont be logging in from time to time during my day time today. I am sure I'll be on this channel between 23:00 and 01:00 UTC === lecaros [n=JoseLeca@212-14-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === th1a [n=hoffman@pool-64-223-34-183.prov.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-206-119.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ is now known as pygi === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-207-79.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ is now known as pygi === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [08:13] w00t a new sound again :p [08:13] I love recording these themes [08:13] cbx33, :P [08:14] now I need your help :) [08:14] eeekk [08:14] I'm just about to goto out to the inlaws [08:14] =P [08:14] oki, go then :) [08:14] is it quick or is it something I can do later on? [08:15] cbx33, it's quick, but you can do it later on :) [08:15] cool [08:15] mail me yah? [08:15] nah, will poke you on the list [08:15] irc* [08:16] ok [08:16] it's not urgent or anything, don't worry :) [08:16] enjoy [08:16] hehe [08:16] no feedback yet [08:16] it's like people just don't care [08:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds [08:16] heard the altest one pygi ? [08:16] I think I could live with that one [08:17] cbx33, I am not sure if my mail reached the list? [08:17] it reached one [08:17] I keep posting in #ubuntu [08:17] but no one says a word [08:17] :p [08:18] hm,oki [08:18] once you are back we go beast-hunting :) [08:18] beast-hunting? === pygi nods :) [08:19] beast = feedback :) [08:19] ahh...cool [08:19] so what do you think of the latest one? [08:19] I havent listened to it [08:20] I can if you want me to? [08:20] eeek wife is calling [08:20] I gotta go [08:20] bbl [08:20] enjoy :) [08:36] hi everybody! [08:37] finally back after two gorgeous weeks in italy [08:52] lucasvo, :) === jryer [n=jryer@200.87.155.220] has joined #edubuntu [09:19] Anyone know how to get docbook to work in Writer? When I save as a docbook, Writer just hangs. === EmxBA [n=chatzill@SE400.PPPoE-2284.sa.bih.net.ba] has joined #edubuntu [09:20] hi [09:21] jryer: hmm, I did it a long time ago [09:22] LaserJock, any tips? I tried looking around...theres a lot about java and openoffice working together but nowhere do I see where it tell you what to do to fix the problem [09:28] jryer: sorry, it worked fine for me (although I needed to tidy up the XML) [09:32] lebrate the day === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [10:09] doh, I should not have rebooted my edgy machine [10:09] my X is broken [10:13] lucasvo: nvidia or ati? [10:15] ati [10:16] I get the error could not open default font fixed [10:18] Amaranth: you can help me? === lecaros [n=JoseLeca@154-13-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [10:18] oh, that one [10:18] hrm [10:19] i can't remember how i fixed that one [10:20] lucasvo: you sure you've dist-upgraded? I thought that was fixed (or maybe not) [10:26] LaserJock: well, I regulary do upgrades, I upgraded to edgy couple of weeks ago [10:26] to edgy? hummm [10:36] lucasvo, run mkfontdir in the misc font dir ... [10:43] ogra: thanks [10:43] it worked [10:44] btw, dont even try fglrx if you planned that ... [10:46] no I didn't [10:46] why should I? [10:46] I never used 3D on my pc so far [10:46] 3d stuff ? [10:47] games, blender and all this stuff [10:47] or isn't fglrx a driver with 3d accell? === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === joselecaros [n=JoseLeca@52-12-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === joselecaros [n=JoseLeca@52-12-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === joselecaros [n=JoseLeca@52-12-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === joselecaros is now known as lecaros [11:38] hi [11:38] I can't find net-snmp package on repositories... i have my sources.list on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19207 [11:38] any idea? [11:39] anybody? :( [11:39] hmm [11:39] I don't see any net-snmp [11:40] see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/net-snmp [11:40] that's the name of the source package. [11:40] You want one of its binaries. [11:40] crimsun@garnish:~$ apt-cache showsrc net-snmp |grep ^Binary [11:40] Binary: tkmib, libsnmp9, snmp, libsnmp-perl, libsnmp-base, libsnmp9-dev, snmpd [11:40] ah, i wondered about that [11:41] sometimes the source package name matches its generated binary; many times it doesn't. [11:41] oops [11:42] ok, i'll try with that, i hope to solve my problem [11:42] thanks [11:42] np [11:44] it works :) tks a lot [11:45] np === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [11:46] pygi's a brave one, summoning matt on the weekend :) [11:46] yeah, I just thought that [11:47] (deliberate use of first name there to avoid triggering highlight in this channel, too) [11:47] crimsun, hehe, I just have a good news, nothing else ;) [11:47] :) [11:48] Hopefully he won't eat me =P === pygi is scared 'cause nobody said "no, ofcourse he won't" [11:50] oh he will. It just depends what condiments he uses. [11:50] we are making bets behind your back ;-) [11:51] LaserJock, yes, plots behind my backs are usual lately [11:51] so nothing new really :) [11:52] heh [11:52] ;) === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-141-157-73-70.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [12:04] hey ho Burgundavia [12:04] hey pygi [12:05] pygi: good news, all is not lost in the case of safety boat [12:05] Burgundavia, nice, so you've heard from anselmo or talked to Daniel? [12:05] anselmo [12:05] oh,oki, so what are we facing at? what's the status? :) [12:06] there is code, daniel has seen it [12:06] oh, good then [12:06] Hopefully it's useful then :) [12:08] indeed