[01:24] <pygi> Burgwork, you have a sec?
[01:28] <bddebian> Howdy
[01:29] <pygi> hey bddebian 
[01:29] <bddebian> Hi pygi
[01:29] <pygi> how is you?
[01:30] <bddebian> OK thanks, you?
[01:30] <pygi> tired, am working on this libburn stuff for ages =P
[01:30] <pygi> otherwise I am fine :)
[01:31] <bddebian> Ah :-)
[01:32] <pygi> bddebian, what??! :)
[01:33] <bddebian> I mean ah, that you are tired from working on libburn
[01:35] <pygi> =P
[01:35] <Burgwork> pygi, I do
[01:35] <pygi> trying to revive the silly project which was abandoned for no real reason :P
[01:36] <pygi> Burgwork, have you heard from our lill' friend working on Epiphany plugin?
[01:36] <pygi> Safety Boat
[01:36] <Burgwork> not in a few days
[01:36] <Burgwork> you?
[01:36] <pygi> nop, that's why I am asking
[01:37] <pygi> it's like only 23 days till the end
[01:37] <Burgwork> nor have I seen any code
[01:37] <pygi> me neither :-/
[01:37] <pygi> this is bad, very bad :(
[01:38] <Burgwork> yes it is
[01:38] <pygi> do we have any other simmilar student?
[01:38] <Burgwork> what do you mean?
[01:38] <Burgwork> working on safety boat or lost ones?
[01:38] <pygi> well, who isn't responding, no code seen, bla, bla
[01:38] <pygi> is he the only issue or we have more?
[01:38] <Burgwork> not certain, not been much involved with SoC recently
[01:39] <pygi> hm, right, but I think we need to sort this Anselmo guy
[01:39] <Burgwork> but I haven't heard much except for Amaranth and ajmitch 
[01:39] <pygi> I hear from my three students, and Ryan
[01:40] <Burgwork> that is good
[01:40] <pygi> and abbatoir, amaranth and ajmitch ofcourse :)
[01:40] <Burgwork> I think this year is more successful
[01:40] <Burgwork> what is sad is that about 3 or 4 women approached me to work on safety boat as part of gnome wsop
[01:41] <pygi> yup, you told me that :(
[01:41] <pygi> and at the end, we probably wont get it :-/
[01:41] <Burgwork> nope
[01:41] <Amaranth> Mine is already mostly useful for a desktop (or ltsp setup).
[01:41] <Burgwork> where are the packages for that again?
[01:41] <Burgwork> as it seems the logs are busted right now
[01:42] <pygi> I think we should write guidelines for next year (some kind of atleast) for both mentors, and students
[01:42] <Amaranth> Burgwork: REJECTED :)
[01:42] <Amaranth> err, :(
[01:42] <Amaranth> Python policy stuff.
[01:42] <pygi> Amaranth, :P
[01:42] <Burgwork> this year is much better pygi
[01:42] <Burgwork> google is far more organized and has learned a great deal
[01:42] <pygi> Burgwork, well it is, but it can be even better =P
[01:42] <Amaranth> Waiting on the latest cdbs upload to hit the archives so I can depend on it then it should be good to go (cdbs had a bashism).
[01:42] <Amaranth> I still haven't gotten paid.
[01:43] <pygi> we've made some mistakes this year that shouldn't happen again
[01:43] <pygi> Amaranth, first or second send-out?
[01:43] <Amaranth> pygi: First.
[01:43] <Amaranth> Have people gotten the second?
[01:43] <pygi> Amaranth, still havent got first?  :-/
[01:43] <pygi> nop, not yet 
[01:43] <Amaranth> If so I've missed that too because I was supposed to be one of the first to get that one.
[01:44] <pygi> howcome?
[01:44] <Amaranth> Why was I supposed to be one of the first?
[01:44] <Amaranth> Because they missed my first one and I'm in the US. :P
[01:45] <pygi> ah =P
[01:45] <pygi> perhaps they will send both in package =P
[01:45] <Amaranth> They are.
[03:08] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: ping
[03:09] <Amaranth> pong
[03:10] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: the safety boat person wants to chat with you about how he can hook up with your app
[03:12] <Amaranth> talking to him
[03:18] <Burgundavia> perfect
[03:43] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: http://www.icra.org/systemspecification/
[03:43] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: No.
[03:43] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: like it or not, it is something that is needed
[03:44] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: I don't want to read a multipage document, I want a list of 5 or so categories. :P
[03:44] <Burgundavia> oh, that
[03:44] <Amaranth> Anything beyond what I have right now will likely have to wait for someone else to do it or next summer unless school doesn't swamp me.
[03:45] <Burgundavia> http://www.icra.org/decode/
[03:45] <Burgundavia> likely you might have to wait
[03:45] <Burgundavia> it appears to be needleesly complicated
[03:46] <Amaranth> Indeed.
[03:46] <Burgundavia> plus there are three different vocabs
[03:46] <Amaranth> I was thinking "sex", "violence", etc.
[03:46] <Burgundavia> you almost need a complete parser just for that
[03:46] <Burgundavia> well, you can half implement a subset
[03:46] <Amaranth> These aren't going to offer sublevels of allowance either, this is just different pools of words.
[03:47] <Burgundavia> just block the first letter and get into the subsections later
[03:47] <Amaranth> The classifier checks the current page against the pools and tells which one it likely fits in.
[03:47] <Burgundavia> ah
[03:47] <Burgundavia> I leave it up to you to work out how to do it
[03:48] <Amaranth> I'm talking about the bayesian filter, not some separate system.
[03:49] <Burgundavia> ah
[03:50] <Burgundavia> basically the bayesian system weights stuff? so this could simply add another weight? (a rather large one)
[03:50] <Amaranth> Oh, this is what anselmolsm was talking about?
[03:50] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: It's a very complicated weighting system, if you want to call it that.
[03:50] <Burgundavia> yes
[03:50] <Amaranth> I can't really modify it without extensive testing.
[03:51] <Amaranth> The math is, to be honest, mostly above me.
[03:51] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:51] <Burgundavia> so the interactions with this would be quite subtle and complex and require a great deal of thought
[03:52] <Amaranth> indeed
[03:52] <Amaranth> you change one thing and it throws the entire results off
[03:52] <Burgundavia> so it spits out a final number, ala SA?
[03:53] <Amaranth> some of the smartest people in the world are still working on ways to fine tune this system and they run into the same problems :P
[03:53] <Amaranth> it spits out a number for every pool
[03:54] <Amaranth> right now i have two pools: good and bad
[03:54] <Amaranth> if bad has a higher number i say it's bad and vice versa
[03:54] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:55] <Amaranth> i can do some fine-tuning with the output numbers (like, say, mark something as good unless the bad value is higher than 0.7) but changing the algorithm itself is probably a bad idea
[03:56] <Amaranth> i was thinking i could create a good pool and then a sex pool and a violence pool and so on
[03:56] <anselmolsm> Amaranth, let me see if I got your point: A website is bloqued or not, there's no intermediate level?
[03:56] <Amaranth> but then it takes more work for someone to mark something as bad because they have to say why it's bad
[03:56] <Amaranth> yeah, right now it's either blocked or not blocked
[03:56] <anselmolsm> (I think I wasn't clear in my question)
[03:57] <anselmolsm> I'm thinking about an example to illustrate it better
[03:58] <Amaranth> You can't say "block porn sites but allow violent sites"
[03:58] <Amaranth> unless you only mark porn sites as bad
[03:59] <Amaranth> the way it's setup the browser doesn't have anything to do with it
[03:59] <Amaranth> except to use it as a proxy
[04:00] <Amaranth> to control it you have to be running as root (or sudo)
[04:00] <Amaranth> brb
[04:02] <anselmolsm> Ok, ofr me it sound less complicated... Thinking here about the example I realized that this way is better 
[04:03] <anselmolsm> As you've said, about sex and violence, it'll be difficult to find a situation when it'll be ok for one and not for another... 
[04:12] <Amaranth> indeed
[04:13] <Amaranth> you can train willowng to think one is bad and one is good but i can't see many doing that
[04:13] <Amaranth> i hope that wasn't your whole project
[04:16] <anselmolsm> no, it isn't
[04:16] <Amaranth> btw, the irca is worthless
[04:16] <Amaranth> It's not in the best interest of a porn website to make it easy to block them.
[04:17] <anselmolsm> The difference now is that our projects will talk less than I've thought
[04:17] <Amaranth> Yeah I don't think a whole lot of interaction is needed.
[04:18] <Amaranth> Other than training it my program is supposed to be transparent to anything doing web access.
[04:21] <anselmolsm> I think now only the whitelists and blacklists will need to be sent to willowng
[04:21] <Amaranth> Fun thing there: willowng only lets you talk to it as root (or with sudo).
[04:21] <Amaranth> So you'd have to run your browser as root or make a call to an external program.
[04:23] <Burgundavia> anselmolsm: is the control app not a seperate thing?
[04:25] <anselmolsm> the control is separeted
[04:25] <Burgundavia> hence not an issue
[04:31] <anselmolsm> Burgundavia, only the config about the start pages and search engines will run from the inside of Epiphany (do you agree??)
[04:33] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:35] <Burgundavia> the homepage stuff is just content
[04:35] <Burgundavia> it can even conceivably be split out
[06:10] <pygi> morning all
[06:18] <Amaranth> morning
[06:18] <Amaranth> well, night for me :)
[06:28] <pygi> :P
[06:41] <bddebian> Aye me too, hi pygi, gnight pygi :-)
[08:51] <Burgundavia> hey jsgotangco
[08:51] <jsgotangco> hey
[08:51] <jsgotangco> what's up Burgundavia?
[08:52] <Burgundavia> not much
[09:03] <jsgotangco> yeah its a boring weekend for me as well (it started raining agian)
[09:23] <mhz> rodarvus: ping
[11:19] <cbx33> hi guys
[11:19] <cbx33> any one got a good way to find and replace multiple lines in multiple files?
[11:22] <DanielC> cbx33: can you be more specific?
[11:22] <cbx33> ok
[11:23] <cbx33> I'm working on some html pages
[11:23] <DanielC> I'm handy with Perl, maybe I can help.
[11:23] <cbx33> that all have the same navigation code
[11:23] <cbx33> oooh
[11:23] <cbx33> it can be code I edit each time to make find and replace
[11:23] <cbx33> I just need it to go through each html/php file in that directory
[11:23] <cbx33> search for a given block of code
[11:23] <cbx33> and replace with antoher given block of coed
[11:23] <DanielC> Wait... do you have a webserver with php?
[11:24] <cbx33> yes
[11:24] <DanielC> If so, you should just use php include().
[11:24] <DanielC> <?php include("navigation.tpl") ?>
[11:24] <DanielC> And put your navigation in that file.
[11:24] <cbx33> oh yeh
[11:24] <cbx33> that is the longer term plan
[11:24] <DanielC> :)
[11:24] <cbx33> maybe I should do it now
[11:24] <cbx33> and skip all this trouble
[11:25] <cbx33> I just cba at the moment
[11:25] <DanielC> That would be my advice.
[11:25] <cbx33> grrrr damn you DanielC :p
[11:25] <DanielC> If you send me the files I'll do the conversion.
[11:25] <DanielC> It's probably a simple perl script.
[11:26] <cbx33> well it is just items being added to the navigation
[11:26] <cbx33> so you're right I should spend the time and do it properly
[11:27] <DanielC> I'm sure I can write a script to remove the navigation from each file and replace it by <? include("nav.tpl") ?>
[11:27] <cbx33> nah that's fine, I'll do it....hehe
[11:27] <cbx33> there are 5 different templates..
[11:27] <cbx33> www.kitestudio.com
[11:28] <DanielC> ok
[11:55] <MrGreen> Err can you like load ubuntu after XP?
[12:52] <cbx33> ping Yagisan 
[01:04] <cbx33> ping ogra_ 
[02:16] <cbx33> ping anyone :p
[02:16] <pygi> poke cbx33 
[02:17] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds
[02:17] <cbx33> check out the last one
[02:17] <cbx33> opinions really really welcome
[02:18] <pygi> nice, but I would never let this play every time I login =P
[02:20] <cbx33> bah
[02:20] <cbx33> why 
[02:20] <cbx33> what are _you_ looking for
[02:24] <pygi> cbx33, something more calm 
[02:24] <pygi> I'd be glad to help with this (guitar) but I currently have no way to record it
[02:24] <cbx33> hehe
[02:25] <cbx33> well, seeing as it hasn't changed since breezy and I'm desperate to do some music stuff
[02:25] <cbx33> and I have ilttle time because I do so much ubuntu word
[02:25] <cbx33> I thought i'd combine the two
[02:25] <cbx33> actually no, i think it hasn't changed sine warty
[02:25] <cbx33> someone said
[02:26] <pygi> well, it's nice, I would just turn it off =P
[02:26] <pygi> But who am I to say anything :)
[02:26] <cbx33> did you trun off the current one?
[02:27] <cbx33> pygi, I'm really interested in your opinions - and would love to hear anything you can contribute, once you find a way to :p
[02:27] <pygi> cbx33, I don't have sound enabled currently :)
[02:27] <cbx33> hahah
[02:28] <pygi> I did enable it for this tho =P
[02:29] <cbx33> phew
[02:29] <cbx33> I was wondering if you just listened to 10 secs of silence
[02:30] <cbx33> it's been a nightmare trying to get feedback from anyone else other than the edubuntu community
[02:31] <pygi> lol, silence :)
[02:31] <pygi> hm, so you need a feedback?
[02:31] <pygi> want me to help ? :)
[02:32] <pygi> with getting feedback
[02:33] <cbx33> yes
[02:37] <pygi> oki, you'll get dozen by the end of the day :)
[02:41] <pygi> cbx33, you alive? :P
[02:41] <cbx33> yes
[02:42] <cbx33> thank you
[02:42] <cbx33> :D
[02:42] <cbx33> where
[02:42] <cbx33> email?
[02:42] <cbx33> or on the wiki?
[02:45] <pygi> read email pls :)
[02:45] <pygi> if you are subscribe to ubuntu-users, kubuntu-users, or edubuntu-users
[02:46] <cbx33> ok
[02:47] <pygi> cbx33, and tell me what you think ;)
[02:47] <cbx33> ok
[02:47] <cbx33> hang on
[02:47] <cbx33> just working on another theme
[02:54] <cbx33> pygi, another tune on the wiki
[02:54] <cbx33> bottom one
[02:54] <pygi> cbx33, will go listen
[02:54] <pygi> you read mail pls :)
[02:55] <cbx33> am doing
[02:55] <pygi> cbx33, btw. please use ogg :)
[02:55] <cbx33> i did to begin with and every said...oh I havn't got ogg
[02:56] <cbx33> pygi, I'm on edubuntu-users
[02:56] <cbx33> I don;t see a new mail though?
[02:56] <pygi> damn
[02:57] <pygi> maybe it got cought in filters
[02:57] <pygi> ok, will pm you
[02:58] <cbx33> ok
[02:58] <cbx33> looks great
[02:58] <cbx33> maybe I should send to the lists
[02:58] <cbx33> :S
[02:58] <bddebian> Hello
[02:58] <cbx33> hi bddebian 
[02:59] <bddebian> :-)
[02:59] <pygi> cbx33, I sent it already, please dont
[02:59] <pygi> it will be there
[03:00] <cbx33> ok
[03:00] <pygi> poke lists maintainer to see if it got stuck or something
[03:00] <pygi> or just servers are slow as usual ;)
[03:00] <cbx33> heheh
[03:03] <pygi> cbx33, just you laugh ;)
[03:21] <Yagisan> pong cbx33 
[03:28] <cbx33> hi Yagisan 
[03:28] <cbx33> how goes it
[03:28] <Yagisan> busy cbx33 
[03:28] <cbx33> nope
[03:28] <cbx33> taking a breather
[03:29] <cbx33> going to play drums in an hour :D
[03:29] <Yagisan> cbx33, I really need to type punctuation
[03:29] <cbx33> you're busy?
[03:29] <Yagisan> cbx33, but that answers my next question
[03:29] <cbx33> man I'm confised :p
[03:30] <Yagisan> cbx33, me busy - kids going to bed
[03:30] <cbx33> ahhh
[03:30] <Yagisan> cbx33, you lucky man. relaxing. I'm not sure what relax is anymore ...
[03:30] <cbx33> howz it all going?
[04:53] <mhz> just loged in to let everyone (in case you need to ping me today) that I wont be logging in from time to time during my day time today. I am sure I'll be on this channel between 23:00 and 01:00 UTC
[08:13] <cbx33> w00t a new sound again :p
[08:13] <cbx33> I love recording these themes
[08:13] <pygi> cbx33, :P
[08:14] <pygi> now I need your help :)
[08:14] <cbx33> eeekk
[08:14] <cbx33> I'm just about to goto out to the inlaws
[08:14] <pygi> =P
[08:14] <pygi> oki, go then :)
[08:14] <cbx33> is it quick or is it something I can do later on?
[08:15] <pygi> cbx33, it's quick, but you can do it later on :)
[08:15] <cbx33> cool
[08:15] <cbx33> mail me yah?
[08:15] <pygi> nah, will poke you on the list
[08:15] <pygi> irc*
[08:16] <cbx33> ok
[08:16] <pygi> it's not urgent or anything, don't worry :)
[08:16] <pygi> enjoy
[08:16] <cbx33> hehe
[08:16] <cbx33> no feedback yet 
[08:16] <cbx33> it's like people just don't care
[08:16] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds
[08:16] <cbx33> heard the altest one pygi ?
[08:16] <cbx33> I think I could live with that one
[08:17] <pygi> cbx33, I am not sure if my mail reached the list?
[08:17] <cbx33> it reached one
[08:17] <cbx33> I keep posting in #ubuntu
[08:17] <cbx33> but no one says a word
[08:17] <cbx33> :p
[08:18] <pygi> hm,oki
[08:18] <pygi> once you are back we go beast-hunting :)
[08:18] <cbx33> beast-hunting?
[08:19] <pygi> beast = feedback :)
[08:19] <cbx33> ahh...cool
[08:19] <cbx33> so what do you think of the latest one?
[08:19] <pygi> I havent listened to it
[08:20] <pygi> I can if you want me to?
[08:20] <cbx33> eeek wife is calling
[08:20] <cbx33> I gotta go
[08:20] <cbx33> bbl
[08:20] <pygi> enjoy :)
[08:36] <lucasvo> hi everybody!
[08:37] <lucasvo> finally back after two gorgeous weeks in italy
[08:52] <pygi> lucasvo, :)
[09:19] <jryer> Anyone know how to get docbook to work in Writer? When I save as a docbook, Writer just hangs.
[09:20] <EmxBA> hi
[09:21] <LaserJock> jryer: hmm, I did it a long time ago
[09:22] <jryer> LaserJock, any tips? I tried looking around...theres a lot about java and openoffice working together but nowhere do I see where it tell you what to do to fix the problem
[09:28] <LaserJock> jryer: sorry, it worked fine for me (although I needed to tidy up the XML)
[09:32] <EmxBA> lebrate the day
[10:09] <lucasvo> doh, I should not have rebooted my edgy machine
[10:09] <lucasvo> my X is broken
[10:13] <Amaranth> lucasvo: nvidia or ati?
[10:15] <lucasvo> ati
[10:16] <lucasvo> I get the error could not open default font  fixed
[10:18] <lucasvo> Amaranth: you can help me?
[10:18] <Amaranth> oh, that one
[10:18] <Amaranth> hrm
[10:19] <Amaranth> i can't remember how i fixed that one
[10:20] <LaserJock> lucasvo: you sure you've dist-upgraded? I thought that was fixed (or maybe not)
[10:26] <lucasvo> LaserJock: well, I regulary do upgrades, I upgraded to edgy couple of weeks ago
[10:26] <lecaros> to edgy? hummm
[10:36] <ogra> lucasvo, run mkfontdir in the misc font dir ...
[10:43] <lucasvo> ogra: thanks
[10:43] <lucasvo> it worked
[10:44] <ogra> btw, dont even try fglrx if you planned that ... 
[10:46] <lucasvo> no I didn't
[10:46] <lucasvo> why should I?
[10:46] <lucasvo> I never used 3D on my pc so far
[10:46] <ogra> 3d stuff ?
[10:47] <lucasvo> games, blender and all this stuff
[10:47] <lucasvo> or isn't fglrx a driver with 3d accell?
[11:38] <lecaros> hi
[11:38] <lecaros> I can't find net-snmp package on repositories... i have my sources.list on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19207
[11:38] <lecaros> any idea?
[11:39] <lecaros> anybody? :(
[11:39] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:39] <LaserJock> I don't see any net-snmp
[11:40] <lecaros> see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/net-snmp
[11:40] <crimsun> that's the name of the source package.
[11:40] <crimsun> You want one of its binaries.
[11:40] <crimsun> crimsun@garnish:~$ apt-cache showsrc net-snmp |grep ^Binary
[11:40] <crimsun> Binary: tkmib, libsnmp9, snmp, libsnmp-perl, libsnmp-base, libsnmp9-dev, snmpd
[11:40] <LaserJock> ah, i wondered about that
[11:41] <crimsun> sometimes the source package name matches its generated binary; many times it doesn't.
[11:41] <lecaros> oops
[11:42] <lecaros> ok, i'll try with that, i hope to solve my problem
[11:42] <lecaros> thanks
[11:42] <crimsun> np
[11:44] <lecaros> it works :) tks a lot
[11:45] <crimsun> np
[11:46] <crimsun> pygi's a brave one, summoning matt on the weekend :)
[11:46] <LaserJock> yeah, I just thought that
[11:47] <crimsun> (deliberate use of first name there to avoid triggering highlight in this channel, too)
[11:47] <pygi> crimsun, hehe, I just have a good news, nothing else ;)
[11:47] <crimsun> :)
[11:48] <pygi> Hopefully he won't eat me =P
[11:50] <crimsun> oh he will. It just depends what condiments he uses.
[11:50] <LaserJock> we are making bets behind your back ;-)
[11:51] <pygi> LaserJock, yes, plots behind my backs are usual lately
[11:51] <pygi> so nothing new really :)
[11:52] <LaserJock> heh
[11:52] <pygi> ;)
[12:04] <pygi> hey ho Burgundavia 
[12:04] <Burgundavia> hey pygi
[12:05] <Burgundavia> pygi: good news, all is not lost in the case of safety boat
[12:05] <pygi> Burgundavia, nice, so you've heard from anselmo or talked to Daniel?
[12:05] <Burgundavia> anselmo
[12:05] <pygi> oh,oki, so what are we facing at? what's the status? :)
[12:06] <Burgundavia> there is code, daniel has seen it
[12:06] <pygi> oh, good then
[12:06] <pygi> Hopefully it's useful then :)
[12:08] <Burgundavia> indeed