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| kwwii | night all | 12:28 |
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| kwwii | sleep now | 12:28 |
| mhb | sleep later, code now :o) | 12:29 |
| kwwii | hehe | 12:29 |
| kwwii | bye | 12:29 |
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| Riddell | ** deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/ dapper main testing needed | 12:39 |
| mhb | Riddell: you test the packages in dapper? | 12:41 |
| mhb | Riddell: wait ... I get it :o) | 12:43 |
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| omeow | Riddell I would test, but xorg is still screwed up. =( | 01:00 |
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| omeow | Oki, installing 3.5.4 | 01:12 |
| omeow | Riddell: Somehow, with the last xorg upgrade, edgy managed to forget to install or misplace my fonts. So I don't get any fonts on KDE/KDM. | 01:14 |
| omeow | It's funny how one second the font works, and then it stops displaying when you try to interact with it. | 01:22 |
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| omeow | What does it mean when a package is kept back? | 01:27 |
| omeow | I know it won't be upgraded, but why not? | 01:27 |
| bddebian | Hello | 01:27 |
| omeow | Hi bddebian. | 01:28 |
| bddebian | Heya omeow | 01:28 |
| omeow | bddebian: Do you know a solution to the missing fonts problem after upgrading to the latest version of xorg stuff? (prefaerably the one where you don't switch drivers) | 01:31 |
| bddebian | No, unfortunately. Sorry | 01:31 |
| omeow | Is there a log of the stuff that got upgraded over time? | 01:31 |
| omeow | I'd like to try and revert everything related to xorg back to it's old version so hopefully fonts will work again. | 01:32 |
| omeow | =( | 01:37 |
| omeow | Back to windows then.. | 01:37 |
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| pygi | omeow, :P | 01:44 |
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| omeow | Don't you :P me, pygi. :) | 01:54 |
| pygi | !! | 01:54 |
| ubotu | I know nothing about ! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu | 01:54 |
| omeow | It's not fun having a broken xorg server and not really knowing how to solve it. | 01:56 |
| pygi | omeow, whats broken? | 01:57 |
| omeow | I'm missing fonts I think. | 01:58 |
| omeow | KDE starts just fine, monitors seem to work. But I have no fonts at all. | 01:58 |
| pygi | eh, filed a bug report? | 01:58 |
| omeow | Dunno. Is it a bug? Anyone else getting this? | 01:59 |
| pygi | well, file a bug report on malone again xserver-xorg | 02:00 |
| omeow | I will do it tomorrow. | 02:00 |
| omeow | Need some sleep first. | 02:00 |
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| ryanakca | is this where I'm supposed to report kde 3.5.4 (dapper) errors? | 03:40 |
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| DaSkreech | nixternal: Yo | 03:43 |
| DaSkreech | Someone wants the system tray to be in order :( | 03:44 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: Awake? | 04:22 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 07:13 |
| DaSkreech | Hallo | 07:14 |
| Hobbsee | hey DaSkreech | 07:16 |
| === Hobbsee is stuck on dapper. | ||
| DaSkreech | That's not a bad place to be stuck | 07:16 |
| === Hobbsee looks at her email. argh, bugs! | ||
| === Hobbsee prefers edgy. | ||
| DaSkreech | Yeah I'm thinking of dual booting edgy and dapper | 07:17 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: smart. just better figure out what's screwed my eth0 first | 07:18 |
| imbrandon_ | Hobbsee: whats wrogn with it ? | 07:18 |
| imbrandon_ | wrong even | 07:18 |
| DaSkreech | You are the fourth person I've heard say that | 07:18 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: on a friend's network, wont connect. | 07:18 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: hmmm? | 07:18 |
| imbrandon_ | i had some problems with sid and dhclient but not edgy ( yet ) | 07:19 |
| DaSkreech | Edgy fried your eth0? | 07:19 |
| DaSkreech | Did you do a Dist upgrade? | 07:19 |
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| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: yeah, day or so ago | 07:19 |
| DaSkreech | Hmm | 07:21 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: any solution listed? | 07:21 |
| === DaSkreech considers sitting out dist upgrades on edgy for a little | ||
| DaSkreech | Not that I know of. But I didn't follow it up | 07:22 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm. | 07:22 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: well, the only problematic thigns brekaing are apt/dpkg/ethernet stuff. | 07:22 |
| Hobbsee | anything else is not major. | 07:22 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah. I like having Net :) | 07:23 |
| imbrandon_ | DaSkreech: and its only for some people, i'm on edgy atm with no major issues | 07:23 |
| DaSkreech | I know | 07:24 |
| imbrandon_ | Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.17-5-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), , RAM: 629/1003MB, 101 proc's, 5.56h up | 07:24 |
| Hobbsee | yay :) | 07:24 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: you getting artsd crashing at random? | 07:24 |
| imbrandon_ | Hobbsee: not i but i have herd people say that | 07:24 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm okay | 07:24 |
| Hobbsee | i didnt seem to get them this morning, but i disabled kde sound yesterday. | 07:25 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 07:25 |
| imbrandon_ | mostly dapper 354 i think | 07:25 |
| imbrandon_ | not edgy 354 , not that i think there is much if any diffrence | 07:25 |
| Hobbsee | oh yeah, i think i tried for edgy | 07:25 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm...adblock plus is buggered for the new firefox. | 07:26 |
| imbrandon_ | hehe darn extensions | 07:26 |
| imbrandon_ | dillo FTW | 07:26 |
| imbrandon_ | only 1d 18h till i have all the dr who 2006 epsidodes LOL finly found them in the US | 07:26 |
| DaSkreech | Is it any good? | 07:27 |
| imbrandon_ | is what ? | 07:27 |
| DaSkreech | Dr Who 2006 | 07:27 |
| imbrandon_ | dunno , they havent air'd ( and wont ) in the usa , so i havent had a chance to watch them yet, thus i'm downloading them | 07:27 |
| imbrandon_ | i've only seen the 2005 season | 07:28 |
| === DaSkreech goes theme hunting :) | ||
| === Hobbsee goes on a witch hunt. | ||
| imbrandon_ | lol | 07:30 |
| === Hobbsee wants to find out WHO BROKE DHCLIENT!!!! | ||
| crimsun | it seems to work fine here. | 07:31 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: edgy? | 07:32 |
| imbrandon_ | works for me (tm) too heh , thats what sucks about bugs/bad configs | 07:32 |
| Hobbsee | says the packet is too long, or something. | 07:32 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: yes | 07:32 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: any updates that havent been done? | 07:32 |
| crimsun | just updated (as in 30 secs ago) | 07:33 |
| crimsun | nothing new. | 07:34 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: hmmm okay. did you happen to reboot since last update? | 07:34 |
| Hobbsee | something to make you lose the connection? | 07:34 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: yep, two hours ago | 07:34 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: hmmm...okay. | 07:34 |
| Hobbsee | so there may well be another update...hmmm... | 07:34 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, morning :P | 07:36 |
| pygi | imbrandon, !! | 07:36 |
| Hobbsee | hi pygi | 07:37 |
| imbrandon_ | heya pygi | 07:37 |
| === Hobbsee reads up on email. who filed so many bugs? | ||
| Hobbsee | hmm. no solution on the forums, with the eth0 bug | 07:46 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: do you know of a way to get the current package lists, and update them from another machine or something? like, so i can see what's upgradable? | 07:47 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: current /installed/ packages or current available packages? | 08:15 |
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| Hobbsee | crimsun: current installed packages, sorry. | 08:56 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: i want to fin dout what's still upgradable, to salvage my machine. | 08:56 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as the usual dhclient/ifup/ifdown magic isnt seeming to work | 08:56 |
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| crimsun | Hobbsee: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |awk '{ print $2 }' | 09:00 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: is that just for current installed packages? i want current installed packages that are upgradable. | 09:01 |
| Hobbsee | on edgy, where i have no net connection | 09:01 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: if your available is current, then ``apt-get dist-upgrade'' will show a list | 09:05 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: i'm thinking that it isnt, though. | 09:05 |
| Hobbsee | unless i changed the dapper repos to edgy, updated, and got the sources list or something. hmm. | 09:06 |
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| === Hobbsee examines ksensors. what happened here? | ||
| === raphink examines kmenu. no switch session menu anymore? | ||
| Hobbsee | raphink: er, sorry, not on kde 3.5.4 on dapper. | 09:56 |
| raphink | ah ok | 09:56 |
| raphink | I was talking about kde 3.5.4 | 09:56 |
| raphink | I'm on dapper right now | 09:56 |
| raphink | with kde 3.5.4 on my vt8 | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | i've only downloaded it for edgy | 09:56 |
| raphink | yes I'm on edgy on my vt8 | 09:57 |
| raphink | and on dapper on this one | 09:57 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 09:58 |
| raphink | :) | 09:59 |
| seaLne | does anyone happen to know the times that ubuntu mirrors are synced? i keep getting sync in progress files on my mirror :) | 10:00 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: add gb mirrors :P | 10:00 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: hi, btw | 10:00 |
| raphink | use native mirror | 10:00 |
| raphink | hi Hobbsee & seaLne :) | 10:00 |
| seaLne | morning | 10:00 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: so what was the status on your machine, sorry? it's fixed, or almost fixed? | 10:01 |
| seaLne | neither of those actually help me with that problem :P | 10:01 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: well...true. | 10:01 |
| seaLne | and having a local mirror in the uni makes much more sense than lots of machines all updating slowly | 10:02 |
| seaLne | i'd agree that most people don't need their own mirror | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | true | 10:04 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: you actually have enough other people at the uni who use ubuntu? cool. | 10:04 |
| Riddell | raphink: any problems with 3.5.4? | 10:04 |
| raphink | Riddell: I don't see the switch session menu in the K menu | 10:04 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: artsd problems - it crashes. | 10:05 |
| raphink | like it was removed | 10:05 |
| === Hobbsee isnt on it, atm, sorry - they broke eth0 | ||
| raphink | Riddell: I've distributed most of the CDs you sent me in a single day :) | 10:05 |
| raphink | my colleagues asked me tons of CDs | 10:06 |
| raphink | didn't even have to say I had some | 10:06 |
| raphink | they came to ask me | 10:06 |
| raphink | :) | 10:06 |
| seaLne | heh | 10:06 |
| raphink | at least 5 colleagues already switched their workstation to kubuntu dapper | 10:07 |
| raphink | and took CDs for their familiy and friends | 10:07 |
| raphink | :) | 10:07 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i wanna kubuntu cd! *bangs fist on table* :P | 10:07 |
| === raphink hands some kubuntu cds to Hobbsee | ||
| seaLne | what were they running before? | 10:07 |
| Hobbsee | hehe, thankyou. | 10:07 |
| raphink | seaLne: depends... debian sarge, fedora, mandriva, ... | 10:08 |
| raphink | some had windows, even | 10:08 |
| raphink | ;) | 10:08 |
| raphink | few of them, though ;) | 10:08 |
| seaLne | what is your day job? | 10:08 |
| raphink | linux sysadmin :) | 10:08 |
| raphink | hehe | 10:08 |
| raphink | for big web hosting | 10:08 |
| seaLne | ah sounds cool | 10:10 |
| raphink | quite :) | 10:11 |
| raphink | I'm cfengine master there :) | 10:11 |
| raphink | my company uses quite exclusively open-source software | 10:12 |
| raphink | well... my service that is | 10:12 |
| seaLne | how do you like it? i think i'd use it if we didn't already have lots of scripts that do most of what it would be used for | 10:12 |
| raphink | I don't like it :p | 10:12 |
| raphink | I've got a migration plan | 10:12 |
| raphink | to try and use FAI as much as possible | 10:12 |
| raphink | including the cfengine scripts inside it | 10:12 |
| imbrandon_ | Hobbsee: almost ready , ufortunately it will be ready aprox the time you goto sleep today ;( but will be up and ready for durring the day my time and tomarrow on | 10:13 |
| raphink | and trying to remove cfengine as a standalone tool | 10:13 |
| seaLne | FAI uses cfengine :P | 10:13 |
| raphink | sure seaLne that's what I mean | 10:13 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: okay, trying to build on it now :P | 10:13 |
| raphink | using cfengine only inside FAI | 10:13 |
| imbrandon_ | Hobbsee: thats fine | 10:13 |
| seaLne | ah | 10:13 |
| raphink | and using fai softupdate/fai-updater to update the machines | 10:13 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: what are you doing on it? | 10:13 |
| imbrandon_ | Hobbsee: thats still the old one your building on, use it as much as you want , i'm building a whole new computer froem parts | 10:13 |
| raphink | anyway, cfengine in my company is sooooo borked that anything else would be better | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: oh nice :) | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: can it be voyager? /me likes voyager :P | 10:14 |
| seaLne | yeah the updater part of it is sounding nice, didn't really do anything when i was using FAI before we went back to GOLDEN master | 10:14 |
| imbrandon_ | hehe yea thats the plan , it will replace voyager ( and take on the name ) | 10:14 |
| raphink | seaLne: GOLDEN master?? | 10:14 |
| raphink | what is that? | 10:14 |
| seaLne | like a golden image but we actually rsync off it | 10:15 |
| raphink | ... | 10:15 |
| raphink | a golden image :s | 10:15 |
| === raphink scratch head | ||
| seaLne | not heard that terminology? | 10:15 |
| raphink | nope | 10:16 |
| === Hobbsee will build it locally when she gets home. much easier. | ||
| imbrandon_ | Riddell: little late but no , __me__ personaly haveing 0 issues out of kde354 but i'm on a fresh knot1 install of edgy atm if that makes a diff | 10:16 |
| seaLne | you basically setup one machine and copy it to others | 10:16 |
| imbrandon_ | Hobbsee: what ya workin on ? | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: ksensors merge. | 10:17 |
| imbrandon_ | cool | 10:17 |
| raphink | seaLne: ah ok, some kind of ghost | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: right now, it's got unrecognisable changes to source, as i tried out vim on it. bad idea. | 10:17 |
| imbrandon_ | heh | 10:17 |
| imbrandon_ | nano *cough* | 10:17 |
| === imbrandon_ could never get used to vi{m} | ||
| raphink | imbrandon_: good if nano is enough for you | 10:18 |
| raphink | but when you get to modify files for real | 10:18 |
| raphink | nano is like trying to cook with your shoe | 10:18 |
| === Hobbsee likes nano, but got told how to use vim yesterday, so was going to try it out. | ||
| Hobbsee | raphink: meet kate :P | 10:18 |
| imbrandon_ | raphink: for basic text editing nano is fine | 10:18 |
| raphink | Hobbsee: I'm afraid kate wouldn't help me mch in my job | 10:18 |
| raphink | sshing all the time on X-less machines | 10:18 |
| raphink | imbrandon_: not for real text editing | 10:19 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: well, yeah. | 10:19 |
| raphink | I've been using nano for years | 10:19 |
| seaLne | you could use kate with fish :) | 10:19 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 10:19 |
| raphink | and I stopped as soon as I had to do real work in console | 10:19 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: i tried one day, off imbrandon_;s machines. not worth it. | 10:19 |
| imbrandon_ | raphink: sure, i've used nano for a LONG time, and had many jobs , infact daily where i only have ssh access | 10:19 |
| raphink | imbrandon_: if you can't get to get started with vi(m), you can try "vimtutor" | 10:19 |
| imbrandon_ | raphink: i said that wrong i can use vi{m} fine and been through the tutor, infact i used vi long before nano/pico but i prefer nano | 10:20 |
| raphink | ok | 10:20 |
| raphink | fine | 10:20 |
| raphink | :) | 10:20 |
| imbrandon_ | nano + sed == godsend | 10:20 |
| imbrandon_ | ;) | 10:21 |
| raphink | ah | 10:21 |
| seaLne | Hobbsee: interesting, i use kate quite happily over fish to remote machines (vim seems upset about utf8 sometimes) | 10:21 |
| raphink | you just have to leave nano, type your sed, go back to nano | 10:21 |
| raphink | whereas vim can let you :%s@foo@bar@g | 10:21 |
| raphink | from inside it | 10:21 |
| raphink | yes that's right seaLne | 10:21 |
| Hobbsee | bleh, suppose i should stay around for a bit of this ubuntu install. | 10:21 |
| imbrandon_ | heh yea but thats harder to me than using seperate progs | 10:21 |
| === Hobbsee sets it to build. | ||
| seaLne | yeah i'm more likely to use vim than sed to achieve that :) | 10:22 |
| === raphink learned about sed included in bash yesterday | ||
| raphink | like | 10:22 |
| raphink | echo ${foo/bar/bar2} | 10:22 |
| imbrandon_ | heh | 10:23 |
| raphink | for example, my hostname is aslan | 10:23 |
| raphink | $ echo ${HOSTNAME/as/bi} | 10:23 |
| raphink | bilan | 10:23 |
| raphink | :) | 10:23 |
| imbrandon_ | nice | 10:23 |
| raphink | that's VERY useful :) | 10:23 |
| imbrandon_ | yea seems it would be | 10:23 |
| raphink | there's also | 10:24 |
| raphink | $ echo ${HOSTNAME#as} | 10:24 |
| raphink | lan | 10:24 |
| raphink | removes the #word from the beginning of the template | 10:24 |
| raphink | and | 10:24 |
| raphink | $ echo ${HOSTNAME%lan} | 10:24 |
| raphink | as | 10:24 |
| raphink | removes from the end of it | 10:24 |
| raphink | :) | 10:24 |
| raphink | so if you want an hostname from a fqdn for ex | 10:24 |
| raphink | :s | 10:25 |
| raphink | you can go like | 10:25 |
| raphink | echo ${FQDN%.*} | 10:26 |
| raphink | :) | 10:26 |
| imbrandon_ | heh | 10:26 |
| raphink | like FQDN="toto.foo.bar.com" | 10:26 |
| raphink | $ echo ${FQDN%.*} | 10:26 |
| raphink | toto | 10:26 |
| raphink | hmm | 10:27 |
| raphink | no thats' not it, konvi removes a char | 10:27 |
| raphink | grrrr | 10:27 |
| raphink | echo ${FQDN\%\%.*} | 10:27 |
| raphink | remove the \ | 10:27 |
| raphink | but I had to put them in konvi | 10:27 |
| imbrandon | yea | 10:27 |
| raphink | for some reason it wouldn't take 2 % in a row | 10:27 |
| raphink | :) | 10:27 |
| raphink | anyway that's an awesome feature | 10:27 |
| raphink | to perform sed replacements within the command | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | yea bash is great once you learn it, can do some realy cool stuff | 10:28 |
| raphink | yes :) | 10:29 |
| raphink | very powerful | 10:29 |
| Hobbsee | happy birthday nixternal_bday | 10:29 |
| raphink | oh great :) | 10:30 |
| imbrandon | gah why is kbfx segfaulting | 10:30 |
| raphink | happy bday nixternal_bday <>< :) | 10:30 |
| imbrandon | great | 10:30 |
| imbrandon | ...... | 10:30 |
| raphink | yes there's a pb in kbfx somehow | 10:31 |
| raphink | dunno why | 10:31 |
| raphink | I saw it work just fine on other distros | 10:31 |
| raphink | my the fonts on kde 3.5.4 are horrible | 10:32 |
| === Hobbsee whinges. | ||
| Hobbsee | raphink: likely due to edgy? | 10:32 |
| Hobbsee | wrist hurts :( | 10:32 |
| raphink | maybe | 10:33 |
| imbrandon | pb ? | 10:33 |
| raphink | ewww kbfx crashed my kicker | 10:33 |
| raphink | imbrandon: problem | 10:33 |
| imbrandon | yea , i'm gonna grab a svn snapshot and try to fix it | 10:33 |
| imbrandon | diff -ruN kbfxwork/ kbfx-0.4.9.1+0.4.9.2rc1/ > kbfx.diff | 10:38 |
| imbrandon | gah | 10:38 |
| raphink | yeah | 10:38 |
| raphink | $ echo ${FQDN#*.} | 10:38 |
| raphink | foo.bar.com | 10:38 |
| raphink | $ echo ${FQDN##*.} | 10:38 |
| raphink | com | 10:38 |
| raphink | :D | 10:38 |
| imbrandon | heh nice | 10:38 |
| raphink | $ echo ${FQDN%.*} | 10:39 |
| raphink | toto.foo.bar | 10:39 |
| raphink | :) | 10:39 |
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| raphink | $ echo ${FQDN%.*} | 10:39 |
| raphink | toto | 10:39 |
| raphink | :) | 10:39 |
| === raphink thinks he's gonna blog on this :) | ||
| raphink | because the section in "man bash" about that is impossible to understand | 10:39 |
| Hobbsee | right, ksensors done. | 10:41 |
| seaLne | yeah my fonts in edgy look bad to | 10:42 |
| raphink | :s | 10:42 |
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| kane___ | anyone here uses Skim IME ? | 10:47 |
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| raphink | nope | 10:53 |
| raphink | kane___: freeflying|away uses it | 10:53 |
| kane___ | raphink: yeah ... but he's away :/ | 10:53 |
| kane___ | raphink: i have a problem with SCIM and Kwin ... for some reason, after enabling the use of SCIM/Skim, kwin starts automatically only every alternate KDE startup | 10:55 |
| kane___ | raphink: so far, i have no idea how to debug it ... | 10:56 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: what's up | 10:56 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: just want to confirm something ... does kwin work for you properly after using the xinput.d method to enable SCIM ? | 10:57 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: works well | 10:57 |
| kane___ | damn ... | 10:57 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: not damning you of course :) | 10:58 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: :) | 10:58 |
| kane___ | just that I and my 3 machines seem to be alone in this | 10:58 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: any ideas where to start debugging this ? disabling scim (removing the en_US entry in xinput.d) causes kwin to work properly everytime ... enabling it, causes kwin to startup only every alternate KDE startup | 10:59 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: if on a particular startup, kwin doesnt start, all I need to do is "end current session" and relogin | 11:00 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: you wanna use skim/scim under en_US locale? | 11:01 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: yes, i am using it under the en_US locale | 11:01 |
| kane___ | specifically, en_US.UTF-8 | 11:02 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: you only need do im-switch -s scim_xim default ( installed im-switch skim scim-pinyin/chewing,etc) | 11:03 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: no thats not the problem ... | 11:04 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: see, i created an entry en_US in the xinput.d ... that should automatically enable scim for my locale | 11:04 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: the problem is that, kwin now refuses to start on every alternate KDE startup | 11:05 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: disabling scim, allows kwin to start every time | 11:05 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: do you use kdm? or startx | 11:05 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: enabling it, causes kwin to start only every alternate KDE startup | 11:05 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: KDM | 11:05 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: startx causes kwin to start everytime ... for some reason :/ | 11:05 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: how about change en_US to all_ALL? | 11:07 |
| Hobbsee | bye all | 11:07 |
| imbrandon | l8tr Hobbsee | 11:07 |
| raphink | bye Hobbsee | 11:07 |
| freeflying|away | Hobbsee: bye | 11:08 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: will im-switch work with all_ALL ? | 11:08 |
| Hobbsee | time to drive home. | 11:08 |
| kane___ | ciao Hobbsee | 11:08 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: and link /etc/alternatives/xinput-all_ALL to /etc/X11xinit/xinput.d/scim_xim, and try again | 11:09 |
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| kane___ | freeflying|away: ok ill try that | 11:15 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: when you said change en_US to all_ALL ... do you mean to change the locale to all_ALL ? or the entry in xinput.d ? | 11:16 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: no, you just created a en_US under xinput.d? | 11:18 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: yes | 11:18 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: i created a file /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/en_US | 11:18 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: then change it to all_ALL, like zh_CN,but link it to scim_xim not scim-pinyin | 11:19 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: then, i should change LC_ALL=all_ALL ? | 11:20 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: needn't | 11:21 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: these settings will let you use scim underr any locales | 11:21 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: ok, let me try ... i hope the kwin problem goes away | 11:21 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: you'r the first have such a problem :) | 11:22 |
| kane___ | yeah i know :( | 11:22 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: now skim doesnt start | 11:24 |
| kane___ | no scim* process | 11:24 |
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| freeflying|away | kane___: replace the content in scim_xim with follwoing | 11:27 |
| freeflying|away | XIM=SCIM | 11:27 |
| freeflying|away | if [ -e /usr/bin/skim ] ; then | 11:27 |
| freeflying|away | XIM_PROGRAM=/usr/bin/skim | 11:27 |
| freeflying|away | else | 11:27 |
| freeflying|away | XIM_PROGRAM=/usr/bin/scim | 11:28 |
| freeflying|away | fi | 11:28 |
| freeflying|away | XIM_ARGS="-d" | 11:28 |
| freeflying|away | GTK_IM_MODULE=scim | 11:28 |
| freeflying|away | QT_IM_MODULE=xim | 11:28 |
| freeflying|away | DEPENDS="scim,scim-gtk2-immodule | scim-qtimm" | 11:28 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: ok, restarting machine | 11:31 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: ok, kwin seems to be starting ... but now, there is a DCOP communications error on every startup ... due to skim | 11:38 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: (i rebooted machine twice) | 11:39 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: del the DCOP stuffs under your dir, and re-try :0 | 11:40 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: i think, it is not that | 11:41 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: it is probably because the skim is trying to attach to the DCOP server ... but there is no server to attach to | 11:42 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: ... because xsession runs /usr/bin/skim even before starting xorg ... | 11:42 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: no, the prority of skim is quite lower, you may try low it anymore ( mk 90im-switch under /etc/X11/Xsession.d) | 11:43 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: right now, it is 98im-switch | 11:45 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: so, the higher items are started earlier than lower items in Xsession.d ? | 11:45 |
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| freeflying|away | kane___: maybe you will have extra issues :) | 11:46 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: 99xorg-common_start is started before 90xorg-common_ssh-agent ? | 11:46 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: its ok, i remember changing the im-switch from 90 to 98 | 11:46 |
| kane___ | freeflying|away: 99 is started after 90 right ? | 11:48 |
| freeflying|away | kane___: I think so, but can not confirm it | 11:48 |
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| kane___ | freeflying|away: look in Xsession.d ... it looks like 99 is started after 90, not the other way around | 11:49 |
| danimo | Riddell: where did you upload the kopete package to? | 11:52 |
| danimo | Riddell: dapper or edgy? | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: it looks like the dpi patch fails with kde 3.5.4 | 11:52 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: :-/ how? | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: don't know, but I just upgraded and my fonts are now ridiculously little | 11:53 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: it is probably being run at the wrong (too late) in the login sequence | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: that's possible | 11:53 |
| === _Sime remembers something about faster logins. | ||
| Tonio_ | _Sime: if you need my help concerning the intel gpu, I'll be there toonight | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | we can see this in the same time if you want | 11:54 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: what is your email addy? | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | tonio@ubuntu.com | 11:55 |
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| _Sime | ok, I need to collect some info from your laptop. I'll email everything you need to know. :) | 11:56 |
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| hunger__ | Tonio_: You did that close-button-on-tab patch? | 11:56 |
| hunger__ | Tonio_: How can I turn that off again? It is the most annoying thing I saw in ubuntu so far. | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | hunger__: you cannot remove it in kopete | 12:00 |
| hunger__ | Tonio_: How about konqueror? | 12:00 |
| Tonio_ | you can in konqueror but only manually in konquerorrc file | 12:00 |
| hunger__ | Tonio_: That is where it annoys me the most. | 12:00 |
| Tonio_ | it's unclusion may be removed if people don't like it... | 12:00 |
| Tonio_ | I just added it for tests | 12:00 |
| hunger__ | Tonio_: It basically makes it impossible for me to switch tabs with the mouse! | 12:01 |
| hunger__ | Tonio_: I do not like it at all. It is the most annoying thing I saw since coming to ubuntu. | 12:01 |
| hunger__ | Tonio_: And that it ignores my "no close buttons on tabs" setting is making it even more annoying. | 12:02 |
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| Tonio_ | I can understand | 12:02 |
| Tonio_ | that's why we will discuss this | 12:02 |
| hunger__ | Tonio_: The problem is this: I have many tabs in konqueror. | 12:02 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is that there is no graphical option to turn it on/off | 12:02 |
| hunger__ | Tonio_: So each tab is pretty small, basically the favicon and a letter. | 12:03 |
| toma | moguh | 12:03 |
| hunger__ | Tonio_: So when I want to switch tabs I almost always end up clicking on the favicon... which turns into a close button and closes the tab. | 12:03 |
| hunger__ | Tonio_: all this tab stuff should be configurable in one central place for all apps... | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | hunger__: that will be discussed in the next meeting and there are lots of chances that it gets removed if the feedback is negative | 12:05 |
| hunger__ | Tonio_: Would make your live easier, too. | 12:05 |
| hunger__ | Tonio_: Well, that is the only change I did really notice;-) | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | hunger__: I agree on that point | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: do you have a possible solution for the dpi patch I could test eventually ? | 12:08 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: not now. I need to first upgrade my test machine to edgy, and then look at the new kde login sequence. Riddel may have to patch kde to fix this, IMHO. | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: okay | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | that can wait a bit | 12:10 |
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| Tonio_ | I need to check out my touchpad.... the scroll on the right doesn't seem to work since 3.5.4... | 12:12 |
| Tonio_ | and katapult still fails here... | 12:12 |
| seaLne | is there still going to be a meeting on monday? | 12:19 |
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| omeow | Can someone please help me overcome my problem? After the last few updates, my xorg server can't seem to find my fonts. | 01:14 |
| omeow | Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/, removing from list! | 01:14 |
| abattoir | omeow: is xfs installed? | 01:15 |
| abattoir | btw, is this edgy? | 01:15 |
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| omeow | abattoir: yes to both | 01:16 |
| omeow | KDE starts just fine. | 01:17 |
| uniq | do you use xfs? is that neccessary ? | 01:17 |
| omeow | Certain programs have fonts, but when you hover over it, it goes away. | 01:17 |
| omeow | I don't know if it's necesarry. | 01:17 |
| abattoir | uniq: i had to install it to upgrade to edgy successfully... | 01:17 |
| abattoir | and if i remember right, omeow had to too | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | oh yay, my computer will accept eth0 connections. | 01:17 |
| uniq | abattoir: i run edgy without xfs, with fonts. | 01:18 |
| uniq | didn't hack anything to make it work either. | 01:18 |
| imbrandon | omeow: gnomefreak had that problem too a few hours ago, the only way he could fix it is remove xorg and x-window-system-core and reinstall them | 01:18 |
| omeow | seaLne said the font problem might be caused by nvidia drivers. | 01:19 |
| omeow | imbrandon: I'll try it. | 01:19 |
| uniq | if the nvidia drivers makes problems, that would explain why it works for me.. as i use the xorg ati driver. | 01:19 |
| seaLne | well that was my problem which had the same symptoms | 01:19 |
| imbrandon | uniq: yea i have no problems without xfs either | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | what's the problem, sorry? | 01:19 |
| seaLne | no text/fonts | 01:19 |
| uniq | Hobbsee: omeow got fontproblems with edgy. | 01:20 |
| imbrandon | x server updae borking fonts | 01:20 |
| seaLne | omeow: do you get text in an xterm? | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | uniq: ah | 01:20 |
| seaLne | thats an xterm not something similar | 01:20 |
| omeow | Re-installing didn't help. Weird thing is. My input fields in KDM do show some text, but as I start typing my password, it all goes away. | 01:21 |
| omeow | seaLne: I don't get text in yakuake. (assuming that that's an xterm) | 01:21 |
| uniq | omeow: xterm is the command 'xterm'.. | 01:22 |
| imbrandon | omeow: no true bluse xterm | 01:22 |
| imbrandon | blue even | 01:22 |
| omeow | Yes, I get text in that. | 01:23 |
| danimo | moin folks | 01:23 |
| uniq | hi danimo. | 01:23 |
| omeow | I just re-installed xorg and x-window-system-core. It didn't seem to do the trick. | 01:23 |
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| imbrandon | moins danimo | 01:24 |
| danimo | hi Hobbsee | 01:24 |
| danimo | there's nothing like breakfast at 1:30pm :) | 01:25 |
| omeow | Did it break for you as well, Hobbsee? :) | 01:25 |
| omeow | Probably not... | 01:25 |
| omeow | You're always lucky. | 01:25 |
| seaLne | omeow: did you do what i suggested and build xserver-xorg-video-nv? then change to using nv? | 01:25 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: nope | 01:25 |
| Hobbsee | hi danimo! | 01:26 |
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| Tm_T | hi kids | 01:26 |
| omeow | seaLne: You mean build it from source? | 01:26 |
| seaLne | yes, what i suggested yesterday | 01:26 |
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| danimo | Hobbsee: still short on bandwidth? | 01:27 |
| omeow | Hm, i'll try it now. But I don't like having to switch drivers. It usually means i'll not be able to use both my screens for testing purposes. =/ | 01:27 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: yeah. | 01:27 |
| danimo | damn | 01:27 |
| omeow | seaLne: was it apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-nv and then apt-get build xserver-xorg-video-nv? | 01:28 |
| omeow | And how does that solve the problem? | 01:28 |
| seaLne | i used pbuilder to build it | 01:28 |
| omeow | My problem seems to be that x can't find the location to my fonts. | 01:28 |
| seaLne | the module for nv hasn't been build by the buildds yet | 01:28 |
| omeow | Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/, removing from list! | 01:28 |
| omeow | Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/OTF, removing from list! | 01:28 |
| omeow | Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/CID/, removing from list! | 01:28 |
| omeow | Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/, removing from list! | 01:28 |
| omeow | So obviously, I need to figure out how to get those installed/symlinked there. | 01:29 |
| imbrandon | svn up konversation | 01:29 |
| imbrandon | doh | 01:29 |
| seaLne | depending how old your xorg config is things like fonts changing isn't that unusual | 01:29 |
| omeow | hehe :) | 01:29 |
| omeow | I'll try generating a new one via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. See what happens then. | 01:30 |
| omeow | Maybe it'll use new font paths. | 01:30 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: why? | 01:30 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: how's konversation doing? working? | 01:31 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: less packages from you I guess | 01:31 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: trying to fix the ftbs on edgy ( or rather see if its fixed ) | 01:31 |
| imbrandon | and doing a new nightly | 01:31 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: just hurts to see that bandwith limitation is still common practice | 01:31 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: i uploaded one earlier - i've been out. | 01:32 |
| imbrandon | heh she can still ssh into places and build ;) that and its only for hrm 1 more day right ? | 01:32 |
| Hobbsee | it's for 2 more days | 01:32 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 01:32 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: out? | 01:32 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: i'll be uploading less soon anyway - uni goes back | 01:32 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: yeah, end of month approaching | 01:32 |
| Hobbsee | yes, out. i went to SLUG on friday night, and was at stevenk's, then went and fixed a server by putting ubuntu on it. | 01:32 |
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| seaLne | when? uk unis don't go back for nearly 2 months | 01:33 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: well, uni won't start here for another 2 months | 01:33 |
| omeow | Fix by re-installing. Nice. | 01:33 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: nice | 01:33 |
| Hobbsee | uni starts again on monday | 01:33 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: well no, means I cannot attend akademy | 01:33 |
| seaLne | yeah akademy seems a very strange time | 01:34 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: ahh... | 01:34 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: which is why I demand an extra birthday party :) | 01:34 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: hehe! | 01:35 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: let's see what to do on october 14th | 01:35 |
| === uniq har OP i 1 av 13 kanaler og kan delegge dagen for 4 personer... | ||
| Hobbsee | uniq: hmmm? | 01:36 |
| omeow | Ok, so dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't seem to work either... =/ | 01:36 |
| omeow | Do the TTF fonts come with xorg or are they installed seperately? | 01:36 |
| danimo | wow, http://dot.kde.org/1003095688/ was from the fifth birthday | 01:36 |
| uniq | ehm.. sorry.. testing new irssi scripts :) | 01:36 |
| uniq | Hobbsee: ^^ | 01:36 |
| uniq | wrong channel and all.. :) | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | uniq: ahh :) | 01:36 |
| === Hobbsee saw kde 1 today. | ||
| danimo | Hobbsee: you gotta read the announcement, real fun :) | 01:37 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: new KDE packages in need of testing? ping me ;) | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: yeah, they do. | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | thought i did... | 01:37 |
| === omeow grmbls. | ||
| omeow | Tm_T: they are in need of testing. That's why I upgraded. But I can't test because I don't have any fonts. =( | 01:38 |
| imbrandon | Tm_T: yup , they are in edgy by default or dapper check kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354 | 01:39 |
| Tm_T | I'm in dapper now | 01:39 |
| imbrandon | deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354 dapper main , it should be i think | 01:40 |
| Tm_T | ugh, testing then | 01:40 |
| imbrandon | yea just checked it is | 01:40 |
| Tm_T | thanks sirs | 01:40 |
| omeow | imbrandon: Any other idea's as to how to solve my problem. =/ Why am I constantly having problems and you guys never seem to have any. (Or don't ask about it, because you know the answer.) | 01:40 |
| omeow | *ideas | 01:40 |
| imbrandon | no ideas and yes i have my shre of issue, i just either fix them or your not here to see me ask <evil grin> but in all serouisness i dont know why you have so many issues | 01:41 |
| Tm_T | errrh, 186 NOT upgrade | 01:41 |
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| Tm_T | hmm, doesn't sound too good | 01:41 |
| Tm_T | oh well, testing anyway =) | 01:42 |
| imbrandon | no idea Tm_T heh i dont have dapper installed anymore on any of my machines except the servers and no X there ;( | 01:42 |
| imbrandon | i guess i should install dapper on my lappy to test backports | 01:43 |
| imbrandon | heh | 01:43 |
| Tm_T | hmm, also | 01:43 |
| Tm_T | After unpacking 332MB disk space will be freed | 01:43 |
| Tm_T | err? what's the big save here | 01:43 |
| imbrandon | umm whats it removing | 01:43 |
| imbrandon | looks like oo.o | 01:43 |
| Tm_T | nothing | 01:43 |
| omeow | imbrandon: well, ok. :) Can you tell me how to get my TTF fonts back in /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF then? | 01:43 |
| Tm_T | nothing remove | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | omeow: sudo apt-cache search xfonts | 01:44 |
| Tm_T | that's the weird thing, how it can save that much space without removing any | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | Tm_T: yea that is strange | 01:44 |
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| Tm_T | almost like some packages are empty shells :p | 01:45 |
| omeow | imbrandon: trying to re-install xfonts-base | 01:45 |
| omeow | It tries to write to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc | 01:46 |
| omeow | warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory | 01:46 |
| omeow | If I create the directory for it, it gets removed again when I try to re-install it again. | 01:46 |
| imbrandon | gah FTBS | 01:47 |
| === imbrandon kicks pbuilder | ||
| Tm_T | =) | 01:47 |
| Tm_T | omeow: sounds, err, interesting | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | omeow: welcome to edgy | 01:48 |
| Tm_T | imbrandon: :p | 01:48 |
| imbrandon | omeow: but serouisly i have no idea man, i just truble shoot from errors | 01:48 |
| === imbrandon is not a big X person | ||
| omeow | blegh, I'm fed up at the moment. *poof* | 01:48 |
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| Hobbsee | imbrandon: what's it doing? | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | ftb on dapper now, lol , i'm gonna recheck out from svn instead of updating see if that makes a diff | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | start with a fresh checkout for both | 01:50 |
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| Hobbsee | imbrandon: ahhh...right. so you're not having trouble with the pbuilder, just konvi. | 01:53 |
| imbrandon | ohh yea heh | 01:53 |
| === imbrandon should have kicked konvi | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: you know what the most annoying thing about working on your machine is? | 01:53 |
| omeow | It's not yours? | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: nope | 01:55 |
| imbrandon | heh whats that Hobbsee ? | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee | it's the fact that i cant kick it, or do anything at all to it when it doesnt work, because it's on another darn continent. i cant even shut it down in frustration. | 01:55 |
| imbrandon | hahahaha | 01:55 |
| imbrandon | sudo shutdown -h now ;) | 01:55 |
| seaLne | imbrandon: don't give her physical access i think :) | 01:55 |
| === danimo was about to suggest the same :) | ||
| imbrandon | sudo reboot ;) | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no response from upstream concerning kio-locate | 01:56 |
| danimo | imbrandon: quick, take her off the sude list! :) | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I will probably upload with that patch after ufv exception is approved | 01:56 |
| danimo | sudo even | 01:56 |
| danimo | Riddell: how is backports coming along? | 01:56 |
| seaLne | sude sounds a much cooler comand :) | 01:56 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: backports? have they unbroken it yet? | 01:57 |
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| Hobbsee | hey Tonio_, were you going to stick your kopete patch in? | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: lots of chances it gets removed since the setting isn't widely appreciated ;) | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | feedback is globally negative | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ah, is it? great. i hear negative feedback over the close button on the konqueror tabs - is that the same thing? | 01:58 |
| seaLne | close button on the konqueror tabs is good | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I notice that since today the scroll up/down on the right of my touchpad doesn't work anymore... it seems to be linked to kde 3.5.4 since it fails since I upgraded to it... | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | seaLne: that needs to be debated in the meeting... | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | lots of people don't like it | 01:59 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: I don't even know why there are no backports at this point | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | some do (I do !) | 01:59 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: what's broken about it? | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll investigate this on kde bts, because it is a real pain with laptops if that doesn't work | 02:00 |
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| danimo | Hobbsee_: what's broken about it? | 02:00 |
| seaLne | is that not just part of X? | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee_ | danimo: they're having trouble with soyuz and it? or they were. the archive people dont know how to use it | 02:01 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: what | 02:01 |
| imbrandon | danimo: no soyuz support atm | 02:01 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: what's soyuz again? (other than "a fancy launchpad module")? | 02:01 |
| imbrandon | its what handels the -bakports buildd's | 02:02 |
| imbrandon | on LP | 02:02 |
| danimo | ic | 02:02 |
| danimo | fascinating | 02:02 |
| danimo | sucks, though | 02:02 |
| Tonio_ | if someone using edgy can confirm alt+space doesn't produce anything anymore... | 02:02 |
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| Tonio_ | katapult is unusable here, although it is correctly configured... | 02:03 |
| danimo | Hobbsee__: you've got some serious connectivity problem, don't you? :) | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee__ | danimo: hehe | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee__ | danimo: just dual boot | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee__ | danimo: actually, i'm testing out network manager stuff. | 02:03 |
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| danimo | Hobbsee: very cool. does edgy support vpn modules properly nowadays? | 02:04 |
| === danimo still ows Tonio_ a beer for his network manager efforts in dapper | ||
| Tonio_ | danimo: ;) | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | thanks ;) | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: no idea. ask stevenk in motu | 02:04 |
| danimo | ok | 02:04 |
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| toma | hhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyy Hobbsee | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | hi toma | 02:09 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 02:58 |
| Tm_T | moin | 02:58 |
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| Tm_T | anyway, I think I don't install those 3.5.4 packages until I know what's that huge difference | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: did you see the changelog? | 03:08 |
| Tm_T | nope | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: kuroneko | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | oops | 03:09 |
| Tm_T | =) | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_3to3_5_4.php | 03:10 |
| Tm_T | thanks | 03:10 |
| Tm_T | you're precious :) | 03:10 |
| === Tm_T is having slowmotion day | ||
| Hobbsee | :) | 03:10 |
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| Tm_T | hmm, can't see anything that would explain over 300 MB | 03:12 |
| Tm_T | oh well, I try =) | 03:14 |
| Tm_T | I can always downgrade | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:14 |
| Tm_T | maybe it's just split packages | 03:15 |
| Tm_T | ok, what happened to kdelibs-bin ? | 03:16 |
| Tm_T | The following packages will be REMOVED: kdelibs-bin | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: now a part of kdelibs4c2a | 03:16 |
| Tm_T | ok, then I go ahad | 03:17 |
| Tm_T | ahead | 03:17 |
| Tm_T | thanks :) | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ping | 03:17 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, ;) | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | hey pygi :) | 03:19 |
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| Tm_T | meh, KDE4 is fun | 03:31 |
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| toma | Hobbsee: Whats the state of the backports? | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | toma: ask crimsun or jdong. they certainly werent working, not sure about now | 04:06 |
| toma | k | 04:07 |
| Tm_T | mooooh | 04:09 |
| Tm_T | KDE 3.5.4 is missing "language-pack-kde-engb" | 04:09 |
| Tm_T | no, I will not use KDE with yankee-english | 04:10 |
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| seaLne | :) | 04:18 |
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| Tm_T | hmm, I'm bit excited, haven't been using packaged kwin for a long time | 04:19 |
| Tm_T | used to compile it myself | 04:19 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: I may require your help once again.... | 04:20 |
| Tonio_ | I'm trying to patch kicker to get the "normal" height to 48 instead of 46 pix.... | 04:20 |
| Tonio_ | here is the patch : | 04:20 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: why you need 2px more? | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: icons on two rows | 04:21 |
| Tm_T | aah! | 04:21 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: then, I can look at it | 04:21 |
| === Tm_T has some experience with kicker | ||
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: to get the systray on 2 lines by default | 04:22 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: do you know a working pastebin like ? | 04:22 |
| Tonio_ | pastebin.com is quite dead at the moment | 04:22 |
| Tm_T | pastebin.ca should work | 04:22 |
| Tm_T | .com is stuck | 04:22 |
| Tonio_ | http://pastebin.ca/105117 | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | here it is.... should be okay, but doesn't work for some reason I don't understand | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | I hope you'll find what I miss | 04:23 |
| danimo | what's the status of the libqt4 packages? | 04:23 |
| danimo | I cannot upgrade them in edgy | 04:23 |
| === danimo just upgraded to edgy on his workstation | ||
| danimo | remotely! | 04:23 |
| danimo | :) | 04:23 |
| toma | Tonio_: hmm | 04:24 |
| Tm_T | danimo: I heard there's some problems with qt4 | 04:24 |
| danimo | did anyone try kerry btw? | 04:24 |
| Tm_T | what's that | 04:25 |
| danimo | the kde beagle frontend | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | I don't see what else can define the kicker's size appart from those settings | 04:25 |
| danimo | shipped by suse, also in the kubuntu repo | 04:25 |
| danimo | might make sense as a default in edgy | 04:25 |
| danimo | depending on wether they ship with beagle | 04:25 |
| toma | Tonio_: libkicker/global.cpp maybe? | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | toma: look at my patch, I already patched there | 04:26 |
| toma | ah, ok | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | this is the problem, everything is set to 48 but it doesn't work... | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | "normal" size is still 46 | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | ah, waht's k-d-s say? | 04:28 |
| toma | Tonio_: did you check .kde/share/config? | 04:44 |
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| freeflying|away | danimo: beagle in main now? | 04:55 |
| danimo | freeflying|away: no idea | 04:55 |
| danimo | does anyone know? | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | !info beagle | 04:56 |
| ubotu | beagle: indexing and search tool for your personal data. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.2.6-1ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 1208 kB, installed size 3992 kB | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | !info beagle edgy | 04:56 |
| ubotu | beagle: indexing and search tool for your personal data. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.2.7-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1220 kB, installed size 4072 kB | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | universe. | 04:56 |
| freeflying|away | heh, then kerry can not be ship in edgy's cd | 04:56 |
| toma | !info digikam edgy | 04:56 |
| ubotu | digikam: digital photo management application for KDE. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2~rc1-0ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 4073 kB, installed size 9708 kB | 04:56 |
| robotgeek | last.fm support in amarok <3 :) | 04:57 |
| freeflying|away | digikam need be in main | 04:58 |
| toma | why? | 04:59 |
| robotgeek | in system settings , keyboard shortcuts is hidden away in "Regional and Accessibility". This is probably better off under "keyboard" | 04:59 |
| freeflying|away | toma: nowdays,many people has a camera, so digikam will be useful for them | 05:00 |
| toma | right | 05:00 |
| toma | is that the selection method for main? | 05:01 |
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| freeflying|away | it's in universe, we'd file a MainInclusionReport for it, and poke pitti or orthers review it | 05:02 |
| robotgeek | !info knetworkmanager edgy | 05:03 |
| ubotu | knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.1~svn-r533312-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 263 kB, installed size 1412 kB | 05:03 |
| robotgeek | nice | 05:03 |
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| toma | freeflying|away: is there an example for such a report? | 05:06 |
| Hobbsee | toma: yeah. dont remember where though | 05:07 |
| toma | ill dig | 05:07 |
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| robotgeek | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportAdept?highlight=%28report%29%7C%28inclusion%29%7C%28main%29 | 05:07 |
| freeflying|away | robotgeek: thanks | 05:08 |
| freeflying|away | :) | 05:08 |
| freeflying|away | !info kpowersave | 05:08 |
| ubotu | kpowersave: frontend to powersave for setting user specific policies. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-1ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 3199 kB, installed size 4924 kB | 05:08 |
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| robotgeek | hmm, how is work on that coming up? | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | robotgeek: non existant from ubuntu side, unless lure's touching it. and he was really busy | 05:10 |
| robotgeek | okay, my power works fine though. i am really happpy with linux on my ibook :) | 05:11 |
| aliasfred | this main inclusion report is done manually or is it a bot reporting ? | 05:11 |
| robotgeek | aliasfred: its done manually, mostly after a meeting or so | 05:11 |
| aliasfred | ok thanks | 05:11 |
| freeflying|away | robotgeek: have you trid edgy on your ibook? | 05:12 |
| ubuntu-cn | ibook? | 05:12 |
| robotgeek | freeflying|away: not yet, i am waiting for my external usb to come around so that i can install edgy on that | 05:13 |
| freeflying|away | robotgeek: yaboot can boot it from usb media? | 05:14 |
| robotgeek | freeflying|away: hmm, never really thought of that one. i did it using grub | 05:14 |
| robotgeek | not on my ibook, but one my friends dellls | 05:14 |
| freeflying|away | robotgeek: hmmm | 05:15 |
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| robotgeek | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-84131.html | 05:16 |
| robotgeek | sorry, wrong link | 05:16 |
| robotgeek | should be able to, i will document wht i do :) | 05:17 |
| freeflying|away | robotgeek: grub on ibook? :) | 05:17 |
| ubuntu-cn | freeflying|away, is there any method could let my laptop boot from usb? | 05:17 |
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| robotgeek | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80811 ubuntu-cn | 05:18 |
| freeflying|away | ubuntu-cn: grub can do it | 05:18 |
| robotgeek | should work for dapper too | 05:18 |
| ubuntu-cn | grub can run on ibook? | 05:19 |
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| robotgeek | ubuntu-cn: no, i think yaboot should be albe to handle it too | 05:19 |
| ubuntu-cn | what a pitty | 05:20 |
| robotgeek | ubuntu-cn: why so? | 05:20 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: got it? | 05:22 |
| ubuntu-cn | robotgeek,because i think grub is all-purpose before | 05:22 |
| robotgeek | might acutally be supported, man 5 yaboot.conf shows sda stuff :) | 05:22 |
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| Philip5 | hi guys, i have a problem when building a deb package with dpkg-buildpackage and everthing starts fine, gets configed but when dpkg-parsechangelog is to run the debian/changelog have been been deleted somehow... anyone know if there is a comman problem that makes this behaviour? | 05:35 |
| bddebian | Philip5: No, it's not. Make sure there isn't a rogue rm somewhere | 05:37 |
| bddebian | in debian/rules | 05:38 |
| Philip5 | bddebian: doesn't look like it... more like it gets generated in like that in make.in | 05:40 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: got what ? | 05:40 |
| Tonio_ | toma: no I didn't check this since the parameters are in kickers code... | 05:41 |
| Tonio_ | I probably miss something in it, but I don't think that can be configured | 05:41 |
| toma | Tonio_: size of kicker can be set | 05:41 |
| Tonio_ | what can be configured is the manual value | 05:41 |
| toma | no, you can choose the size | 05:41 |
| Tonio_ | toma: yes I know, but that will define "personal" value | 05:41 |
| Tonio_ | not "small", "normal", "medium" | 05:42 |
| Tonio_ | that has to be patched in kdebase | 05:42 |
| Tonio_ | but I'm certainly miss something in the code | 05:42 |
| Tonio_ | no ? | 05:42 |
| toma | nad the size is not stored? | 05:42 |
| bddebian | Philip5: The debian/changelog file gets generated in makefile.in? | 05:43 |
| Tonio_ | toma: CustomSize=48 | 05:44 |
| Tonio_ | that is the setting in kickerrc | 05:44 |
| Tonio_ | but that's for "personnal" value | 05:44 |
| toma | that is the slider for personal | 05:44 |
| Tonio_ | the idea is to hardcode the setting for the "normal" size | 05:44 |
| bddebian | OK sorry, gotta run | 05:44 |
| toma | and where is the size of the kicker stored? | 05:44 |
| Tonio_ | and since the code is visible in kicker source, I don't understand why it doesn't work | 05:44 |
| Tonio_ | toma: look at the patch I've done | 05:44 |
| Tonio_ | http://pastebin.ca/105117 | 05:44 |
| Tonio_ | here it is | 05:45 |
| toma | Tonio_: in the settings of kicker i can choose small/medium/large. | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | I think the principle is good, but I may miss something | 05:45 |
| toma | and personal | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | yes and look at my patch | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | you'll see where are the settings for small, medium, large stored | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | they are hardcoded | 05:45 |
| toma | yes, but where are they stored? | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | the value you have selected is stored in kickerrc | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | but the size of that value is hardcoded | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | for example | 05:46 |
| Philip5 | bddebian: no but there is a rm for the changelog there | 05:48 |
| toma | Tonio_: i doubt it stores 'medium/large', it will store the actual size, but i don't see where | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | toma: size=2, size=3 etc.... | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | here is the setting | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | size=1 is small | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | size=3 is medium | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | from 1 to 5 | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | and the corresponding value is in kicker's code | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | the point is my patch should work... | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | I don't see what is wrong with it... | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | I will try on a new profile, maybe I have something in mine causing an issue... | 05:49 |
| ubuntu-cn | hi,guys.how much time must i to wait before i can post on ubuntu forum? | 05:53 |
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| Tonio_ | raphink: ton patch kdebase pour virer la corbeille de l'applet system ne marche plus | 05:55 |
| Tonio_ | il faudra le refaire, car ca a l'air de merder sous kde 3.5.4 | 05:55 |
| Tonio_ | je m'en occuperai si tu veux vu que j'ai ce putain de patch a faire | 05:55 |
| raphink | argh | 05:56 |
| raphink | ok merci | 05:56 |
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| erov | anyone having trouble upgrading from the 4:3.5.3-0ubuntu0.1 to 0.2 from http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353 repository? | 06:35 |
| erov | kdelibs-data | 06:36 |
| Tm_T | nah | 06:42 |
| Tm_T | and I upgraded to .4 already | 06:43 |
| Tm_T | still compiling kdepim so haven't tested it yet | 06:43 |
| erov | ok | 06:44 |
| Tm_T | erov: so, no problems noticed | 06:45 |
| erov | it tries to when I upgrade .. and this is where the original package came from | 06:46 |
| erov | i have installed things like kopete manually (compiling) but used J. Riddell's rss announcement as a link to get the 3.5.3 .. now adept shows it's updgradeable but has errors when trying to upgrade | 06:47 |
| Tm_T | what's the exact error | 06:47 |
| erov | Commit might break packages | 06:48 |
| Tm_T | hmm, adept? | 06:48 |
| erov | yeah | 06:49 |
| erov | im doing cl right now | 06:49 |
| Tm_T | I'd like to see what apt-get says | 06:49 |
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| erov | doing now | 06:49 |
| Sime | Riddell: ping | 06:50 |
| Tm_T | I think sir is in entertainment mood | 06:50 |
| Tm_T | that means, drunk | 06:50 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 06:50 |
| Sime | Riddell: are you interested in a one line fix that makes the "Search" label font size actually match the "Show All" font in system-settings? | 06:51 |
| erov | oh my.. it is ktorrent 2 beta i think that's messing with it | 06:53 |
| Tm_T | heh | 06:53 |
| Tm_T | apt-get <3 | 06:53 |
| erov | because its part of k-networks | 06:53 |
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| Tm_T | men gott! | 07:02 |
| Tm_T | that upgrade messed up my desktop | 07:02 |
| Tm_T | not fun | 07:02 |
| Riddell | Sime: sure | 07:03 |
| Tm_T | that should be handled differently | 07:04 |
| Tm_T | I mean, my kwin settings has pulled down to defaults | 07:04 |
| Tm_T | worse, not followed | 07:06 |
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| Tm_T | I mean titlebar buttons | 07:07 |
| Tm_T | yup, kwin doesn't follow xustom titlebar button settings | 07:09 |
| Tm_T | custom even | 07:09 |
| Tm_T | lets see if kwin from svn behaves better | 07:12 |
| Tm_T | nope | 07:12 |
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| Tm_T | this is weird, most of kwin settings just effect nothing | 07:14 |
| Tm_T | I can choose windeco but I can't configure it | 07:14 |
| Tm_T | ok, so it's not kwin issue, something else is what I should blame | 07:21 |
| Tm_T | can anyone confirm this? | 07:24 |
| erov | what about CNN.com crashing konqueror now | 07:32 |
| erov | argh nm | 07:33 |
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| Sime | tvo: ping | 10:14 |
| tvo | Sime: pong | 10:16 |
| Sime | tvo: Hi, google tells me that you did some work last in kio reguarding UDS_HIDDEN? | 10:17 |
| tvo | yeah | 10:17 |
| tvo | I needed that for a certain feature of kio locate | 10:17 |
| Sime | did you do anything else with that? (like supporting OS X style ".hidden" files?) | 10:17 |
| tvo | no, I didn't use it anywhere else | 10:18 |
| tvo | but files prefixed with '.' are hidden anyway (by the return value of SomeClass::IsHidden(), or whatever it was called) | 10:19 |
| tvo | (I'd have to look up exact function/class names) | 10:19 |
| Sime | ok, I was just wondering. I've been thinking about how to simplify file management in kde, without having to use fake io slaves like system:/ etc. | 10:19 |
| Sime | I've been looking for a way to hide /usr, /etc, /dev etc from the user in konq. | 10:19 |
| Sime | http://www.westwind.com/reference/OS-X/invisibles.html#hidden | 10:21 |
| tvo | ah | 10:21 |
| Sime | I would like to have clean "/" in konq, that still works in bash etc. | 10:22 |
| tvo | is file:/ protocol implemented by a kio slave in konqueror? | 10:22 |
| Sime | URLs in io slaves like media:/ and system:/ don't work in the shell. | 10:22 |
| Sime | file:/, yeah I would hope so. I guess so. | 10:23 |
| Sime | either way, it is hackable. :) | 10:23 |
| tvo | because in that case you could patch it to add a filter which sets UDS_HIDDEN for certain files | 10:23 |
| tvo | yeah true | 10:23 |
| Sime | yes, that is what I was thinking of doing. | 10:23 |
| Sime | actually the gnome file manager supports .hidden files. | 10:23 |
| Sime | oddly enough | 10:23 |
| tvo | konqueror did (does) that too afaik | 10:24 |
| Sime | well, it didn't do that today when I tested it. | 10:24 |
| tvo | hm, the View->Show/Hide hidden files switch didn't work? | 10:24 |
| Sime | nope, only works for file named .* | 10:26 |
| tvo | oh wait, I misunderstood you | 10:27 |
| tvo | you mean a .hidden file in a dir which hides a dir? | 10:27 |
| tvo | *the dir | 10:27 |
| tvo | in that case it indeed doesn't support it | 10:27 |
| tvo | afaik | 10:27 |
| Sime | yes, a file called ".hidden" which contains a list of files/dirs to hide. This is what OS X does. | 10:28 |
| tvo | aha, a ~/.hidden ? or a .hidden in a dir which hides files/dirs inside that dir? | 10:31 |
| Sime | the second one. | 10:31 |
| tvo | ok | 10:31 |
| tvo | well, I guess my original patch could be a good starting point (regarding which files to modify etc.) | 10:32 |
| Sime | yeah, I might give it a good tonight. | 10:33 |
| Sime | BTW, you're Dutch. I don't think I've ever seen you on the kde-nl mailing list, or at any of the KDE-NL events. | 10:34 |
| Sime | are you doing much with KDE these days? (or purely kubuntu?) | 10:35 |
| tvo | not much for both of them.. | 10:35 |
| tvo | I'm one of the core devs of TA Spring now | 10:36 |
| tvo | an open source realtime strategy game, bit based on Total Annihilation | 10:36 |
| tvo | still do katapult tho | 10:36 |
| Sime | ok, oh, that's cool. | 10:37 |
| tvo | I'm really motivated for quite some time already to bring proper gaming experience to linux ;) | 10:37 |
| tvo | but it's very much work | 10:37 |
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| Sime | linux needs more games. I've been playing a lot with wine this year trying out running games on it. | 10:39 |
| tvo | this one's gonna rock once we got several things sorted out :P | 10:39 |
| Sime | the game situation is improving on linux. it is taking a quite though. | 10:39 |
| Sime | I was going to ask you to come along to the tradionaly KDE-NL summer BBQ next month. :-D | 10:41 |
| tvo | would be cool, if I'm still welcome with my small amount of KDE(katapult) dev time per month :) | 10:43 |
| insanekane | freeflying|away: i still have the problem with skim/kwin ... i.e., either i have the kwin problem, or I have the dcop problem (skim starting too early) | 10:45 |
| insanekane | freeflying|away: i'd like to know ... what setup are you using on your machine ? | 10:45 |
| Sime | tvo: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-i18n-nl&m=115378042607485&w=2 | 10:45 |
| tvo | Sime: thx (indeed I'm not subscribed to KDE-NL (yet)) | 10:51 |
| Sime | tvo: there is also #kde-nl | 10:52 |
| tvo | Sime: hm I could idle there too, there's #kubuntu-nl too btw, but it's really quiet... | 10:52 |
| Sime | tvo: I didn't know that. | 10:52 |
| Sime | tvo: Rinse on #kde-nl is the BBQ ring-leader. :) | 10:53 |
| tvo | Sime: yeah, I deduced that already, he's in #kubuntu-nl too | 10:55 |
| Sime | tvo: is he just....... I didn't know that he had changed over from suse (IIRC). | 10:56 |
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