[12:28] <kwwii> night all
[12:28] <kwwii> sleep now
[12:29] <mhb> sleep later, code now :o)
[12:29] <kwwii> hehe
[12:29] <kwwii> bye
[12:39] <Riddell> ** deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/ dapper main   testing needed
[12:41] <mhb> Riddell: you test the packages in dapper?
[12:43] <mhb> Riddell: wait ... I get it :o)
[01:00] <omeow> Riddell I would test, but xorg is still screwed up. =(
[01:12] <omeow> Oki, installing 3.5.4
[01:14] <omeow> Riddell: Somehow, with the last xorg upgrade, edgy managed to forget to install or misplace my fonts. So I don't get any fonts on KDE/KDM.
[01:22] <omeow> It's funny how one second the font works, and then it stops displaying when you try to interact with it.
[01:27] <omeow> What does it mean when a package is kept back?
[01:27] <omeow> I know it won't be upgraded, but why not?
[01:27] <bddebian> Hello
[01:28] <omeow> Hi bddebian.
[01:28] <bddebian> Heya omeow
[01:31] <omeow> bddebian: Do you know a solution to the missing fonts problem after upgrading to the latest version of xorg stuff? (prefaerably the one where you don't switch drivers)
[01:31] <bddebian> No, unfortunately.  Sorry
[01:31] <omeow> Is there a log of the stuff that got upgraded over time?
[01:32] <omeow> I'd like to try and revert everything related to xorg back to it's old version so hopefully fonts will work again.
[01:37] <omeow> =(
[01:37] <omeow> Back to windows then..
[01:44] <pygi> omeow, :P
[01:54] <omeow> Don't you :P me, pygi. :)
[01:54] <pygi> !!
[01:54] <ubotu> I know nothing about ! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[01:56] <omeow> It's not fun having a broken xorg server and not really knowing how to solve it.
[01:57] <pygi> omeow, whats broken?
[01:58] <omeow> I'm missing fonts I think.
[01:58] <omeow> KDE starts just fine, monitors seem to work. But I have no fonts at all.
[01:58] <pygi> eh, filed a bug report?
[01:59] <omeow> Dunno. Is it a bug? Anyone else getting this?
[02:00] <pygi> well, file a bug report on malone again xserver-xorg
[02:00] <omeow> I will do it tomorrow.
[02:00] <omeow> Need some sleep first.
[03:40] <ryanakca> is this where I'm supposed to report kde 3.5.4 (dapper) errors?
[03:43] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Yo
[03:44] <DaSkreech> Someone wants the system tray to be in order :(
[04:22] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Awake?
[07:13] <Hobbsee> hi all
[07:14] <DaSkreech> Hallo
[07:16] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech 
[07:16] <DaSkreech> That's not a bad place to be stuck
[07:17] <DaSkreech> Yeah I'm thinking of dual booting edgy and dapper
[07:18] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: smart.  just better figure out what's screwed my eth0 first
[07:18] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: whats wrogn with it ?
[07:18] <imbrandon_> wrong even
[07:18] <DaSkreech> You are the fourth person I've heard say that
[07:18] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: on a friend's network, wont connect.
[07:18] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: hmmm?
[07:19] <imbrandon_> i had some problems with sid and dhclient but not edgy ( yet )
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Edgy fried your eth0?
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Did you do a Dist upgrade?
[07:19] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah, day or so ago
[07:21] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[07:21] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: any solution listed?
[07:22] <DaSkreech> Not that I know of. But I didn't follow it up
[07:22] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: well, the only problematic thigns brekaing are apt/dpkg/ethernet stuff.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> anything else is not major.
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Yeah. I like having Net :)
[07:23] <imbrandon_> DaSkreech: and its only for some people, i'm on edgy atm with no major issues
[07:24] <DaSkreech> I know 
[07:24] <imbrandon_> Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.17-5-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), , RAM: 629/1003MB, 101 proc's, 5.56h up
[07:24] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[07:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: you getting artsd crashing at random?
[07:24] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: not i but i have herd people say that
[07:24] <Hobbsee> hmmm okay
[07:25] <Hobbsee> i didnt seem to get them this morning, but i disabled kde sound yesterday.
[07:25] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:25] <imbrandon_> mostly dapper 354 i think
[07:25] <imbrandon_> not edgy 354 , not that i think there is much if any diffrence
[07:25] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i think i tried for edgy
[07:26] <Hobbsee> hmmm...adblock plus is buggered for the new firefox.
[07:26] <imbrandon_> hehe darn extensions
[07:26] <imbrandon_> dillo FTW
[07:26] <imbrandon_> only 1d 18h till i have all the dr who 2006 epsidodes LOL finly found them in the US
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Is it any good?
[07:27] <imbrandon_> is what ?
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Dr Who 2006
[07:27] <imbrandon_> dunno , they havent air'd ( and wont ) in the usa , so i havent had a chance to watch them yet, thus i'm downloading them
[07:28] <imbrandon_> i've only seen the 2005 season
[07:30] <imbrandon_> lol
[07:31] <crimsun> it seems to work fine here.
[07:32] <Hobbsee> crimsun: edgy?
[07:32] <imbrandon_> works for me (tm) too heh , thats what sucks about bugs/bad configs 
[07:32] <Hobbsee> says the packet is too long, or something.
[07:32] <crimsun> Hobbsee: yes
[07:32] <Hobbsee> crimsun: any updates that havent been done?
[07:33] <crimsun> just updated (as in 30 secs ago)
[07:34] <crimsun> nothing new.
[07:34] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hmmm okay.  did you happen to reboot since last update?
[07:34] <Hobbsee> something to make you lose the connection?
[07:34] <crimsun> Hobbsee: yep, two hours ago
[07:34] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hmmm...okay.
[07:34] <Hobbsee> so there may well be another update...hmmm...
[07:36] <pygi> Hobbsee, morning :P
[07:36] <pygi> imbrandon, !!
[07:37] <Hobbsee> hi pygi 
[07:37] <imbrandon_> heya pygi
[07:46] <Hobbsee> hmm.  no solution on the forums, with the eth0 bug
[07:47] <Hobbsee> crimsun: do you know of a way to get the current package lists, and update them from another machine or something?  like, so i can see what's upgradable?
[08:15] <crimsun> Hobbsee: current /installed/ packages or current available packages?
[08:56] <Hobbsee> crimsun: current installed packages, sorry.
[08:56] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i want to fin dout what's still upgradable, to salvage my machine.
[08:56] <Hobbsee> seeing as the usual dhclient/ifup/ifdown magic isnt seeming to work
[09:00] <crimsun> Hobbsee: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |awk '{ print $2 }'
[09:01] <Hobbsee> crimsun: is that just for current installed packages?  i want current installed packages that are upgradable.
[09:01] <Hobbsee> on edgy, where i have no net connection
[09:05] <crimsun> Hobbsee: if your available is current, then ``apt-get dist-upgrade'' will show a list
[09:05] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i'm thinking that it isnt, though.
[09:06] <Hobbsee> unless i changed the dapper repos to edgy, updated, and got the sources list or something.  hmm.
[09:56] <Hobbsee> raphink: er, sorry, not on kde 3.5.4 on dapper.
[09:56] <raphink> ah ok
[09:56] <raphink> I was talking about kde 3.5.4
[09:56] <raphink> I'm on dapper right now
[09:56] <raphink> with kde 3.5.4 on my vt8
[09:56] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:56] <Hobbsee> i've only downloaded it for edgy
[09:57] <raphink> yes I'm on edgy on my vt8
[09:57] <raphink> and on dapper on this one
[09:58] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:59] <raphink> :)
[10:00] <seaLne> does anyone happen to know the times that ubuntu mirrors are synced?  i keep getting sync in progress files on my mirror :)
[10:00] <Hobbsee> seaLne: add gb mirrors :P
[10:00] <Hobbsee> seaLne: hi, btw
[10:00] <raphink> use native mirror
[10:00] <raphink> hi Hobbsee & seaLne :)
[10:00] <seaLne> morning
[10:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: so what was the status on your machine, sorry?  it's fixed, or almost fixed?
[10:01] <seaLne> neither of those actually help me with that problem :P
[10:01] <Hobbsee> seaLne: well...true.
[10:02] <seaLne> and having a local mirror in the uni makes much more sense than lots of machines all updating slowly
[10:03] <seaLne> i'd agree that most people don't need their own mirror
[10:04] <Hobbsee> true
[10:04] <Hobbsee> seaLne: you actually have enough other people at the uni who use ubuntu?  cool.
[10:04] <Riddell> raphink: any problems with 3.5.4?
[10:04] <raphink> Riddell: I don't see the switch session menu in the K menu
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: artsd problems - it crashes.
[10:05] <raphink> like it was removed
[10:05] <raphink> Riddell: I've distributed most of the CDs you sent me in a single day :)
[10:06] <raphink> my colleagues asked me tons of CDs
[10:06] <raphink> didn't even have to say I had some
[10:06] <raphink> they came to ask me
[10:06] <raphink> :)
[10:06] <seaLne> heh
[10:07] <raphink> at least 5 colleagues already switched their workstation to kubuntu dapper
[10:07] <raphink> and took CDs for their familiy and friends
[10:07] <raphink> :)
[10:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i wanna kubuntu cd!  *bangs fist on table* :P
[10:07] <seaLne> what were they running before?
[10:07] <Hobbsee> hehe, thankyou.
[10:08] <raphink> seaLne: depends... debian sarge, fedora, mandriva, ...
[10:08] <raphink> some had windows, even
[10:08] <raphink> ;)
[10:08] <raphink> few of them, though ;)
[10:08] <seaLne> what is your day job?
[10:08] <raphink> linux sysadmin :)
[10:08] <raphink> hehe
[10:08] <raphink> for big web hosting
[10:10] <seaLne> ah sounds cool
[10:11] <raphink> quite :)
[10:11] <raphink> I'm cfengine master there :)
[10:12] <raphink> my company uses quite exclusively open-source software
[10:12] <raphink> well... my service that is
[10:12] <seaLne> how do you like it?  i think i'd use it if we didn't already have lots of scripts that do most of what it would be used for
[10:12] <raphink> I don't like it :p
[10:12] <raphink> I've got a migration plan
[10:12] <raphink> to try and use FAI as much as possible
[10:12] <raphink> including the cfengine scripts inside it
[10:13] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: almost ready , ufortunately it will be ready aprox the time you goto sleep today ;( but will be up and ready for durring the day my time and tomarrow on
[10:13] <raphink> and trying to remove cfengine as a standalone tool
[10:13] <seaLne> FAI uses cfengine :P
[10:13] <raphink> sure seaLne that's what I mean
[10:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: okay, trying to build on it now :P
[10:13] <raphink> using cfengine only inside FAI
[10:13] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: thats fine
[10:13] <seaLne> ah
[10:13] <raphink> and using fai softupdate/fai-updater to update the machines
[10:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: what are you doing on it?
[10:13] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: thats still the old one your building on, use it as much as you want , i'm building a whole new computer froem parts
[10:14] <raphink> anyway, cfengine in my company is sooooo borked that anything else would be better
[10:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: oh nice :)
[10:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: can it be voyager?  /me likes voyager :P
[10:14] <seaLne> yeah the updater part of it is sounding nice, didn't really do anything when i was using FAI before we went back to GOLDEN master
[10:14] <imbrandon_> hehe yea thats the plan , it will replace voyager ( and take on the name )
[10:14] <raphink> seaLne: GOLDEN master??
[10:14] <raphink> what is that?
[10:15] <seaLne> like a golden image but we actually rsync off it
[10:15] <raphink> ...
[10:15] <raphink> a golden image :s
[10:15] <seaLne> not heard that terminology?
[10:16] <raphink> nope
[10:16] <imbrandon_> Riddell: little late but no , __me__ personaly haveing 0 issues out of kde354 but i'm on a fresh knot1 install of edgy atm if that makes a diff
[10:16] <seaLne> you basically setup one machine and copy it to others
[10:16] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: what ya workin on ?
[10:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: ksensors merge.
[10:17] <imbrandon_> cool
[10:17] <raphink> seaLne: ah ok, some kind of ghost
[10:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: right now, it's got unrecognisable changes to source, as i tried out vim on it.  bad idea.
[10:17] <imbrandon_> heh
[10:17] <imbrandon_> nano *cough*
[10:18] <raphink> imbrandon_: good if nano is enough for you
[10:18] <raphink> but when you get to modify files for real
[10:18] <raphink> nano is like trying to cook with your shoe
[10:18] <Hobbsee> raphink: meet kate :P
[10:18] <imbrandon_> raphink: for basic text editing nano is fine
[10:18] <raphink> Hobbsee: I'm afraid kate wouldn't help me mch in my job
[10:18] <raphink> sshing all the time on X-less machines
[10:19] <raphink> imbrandon_: not for real text editing
[10:19] <Hobbsee> raphink: well, yeah.
[10:19] <raphink> I've been using nano for years
[10:19] <seaLne> you could use kate with fish :)
[10:19] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:19] <raphink> and I stopped as soon as I had to do real work in console
[10:19] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i tried one day, off imbrandon_;s machines.  not worth it.
[10:19] <imbrandon_> raphink: sure, i've used nano for a LONG time, and had many jobs , infact daily where i only have ssh access
[10:19] <raphink> imbrandon_: if you can't get to get started with vi(m), you can try "vimtutor"
[10:20] <imbrandon_> raphink: i said that wrong i can use vi{m} fine and been through the tutor, infact i used vi long before nano/pico but i prefer nano
[10:20] <raphink> ok
[10:20] <raphink> fine
[10:20] <raphink> :)
[10:20] <imbrandon_> nano + sed == godsend
[10:21] <imbrandon_> ;)
[10:21] <raphink> ah
[10:21] <seaLne> Hobbsee: interesting, i use kate quite happily over fish to remote machines (vim seems upset about utf8 sometimes)
[10:21] <raphink> you just have to leave nano, type your sed, go back to nano
[10:21] <raphink> whereas vim can let you :%s@foo@bar@g
[10:21] <raphink> from inside it
[10:21] <raphink> yes that's right seaLne
[10:21] <Hobbsee> bleh, suppose i should stay around for a bit of this ubuntu install.
[10:21] <imbrandon_> heh yea but thats harder to me than using seperate progs
[10:22] <seaLne> yeah i'm more likely to use vim than sed to achieve that :)
[10:22] <raphink> like 
[10:22] <raphink> echo ${foo/bar/bar2}
[10:23] <imbrandon_> heh
[10:23] <raphink> for example, my hostname is aslan
[10:23] <raphink>  $ echo ${HOSTNAME/as/bi}
[10:23] <raphink> bilan
[10:23] <raphink> :)
[10:23] <imbrandon_> nice
[10:23] <raphink> that's VERY useful :)
[10:23] <imbrandon_> yea seems it would be
[10:24] <raphink> there's also 
[10:24] <raphink>  $ echo ${HOSTNAME#as}
[10:24] <raphink> lan
[10:24] <raphink> removes the #word from the beginning of the template
[10:24] <raphink> and 
[10:24] <raphink>  $ echo ${HOSTNAME%lan}
[10:24] <raphink> as
[10:24] <raphink> removes from the end of it
[10:24] <raphink> :)
[10:24] <raphink> so if you want an hostname from a fqdn for ex
[10:25] <raphink> :s
[10:25] <raphink> you can go like
[10:26] <raphink> echo ${FQDN%.*}
[10:26] <raphink> :)
[10:26] <imbrandon_> heh
[10:26] <raphink> like FQDN="toto.foo.bar.com"
[10:26] <raphink>  $ echo ${FQDN%.*}
[10:26] <raphink> toto
[10:27] <raphink> hmm
[10:27] <raphink> no thats' not it, konvi removes a char 
[10:27] <raphink> grrrr
[10:27] <raphink> echo ${FQDN\%\%.*}
[10:27] <raphink> remove the \
[10:27] <raphink> but I had to put them in konvi
[10:27] <imbrandon> yea
[10:27] <raphink> for some reason it wouldn't take 2 % in a row
[10:27] <raphink> :)
[10:27] <raphink> anyway that's an awesome feature
[10:28] <raphink> to perform sed replacements within the command
[10:28] <imbrandon> yea bash is great once you learn it, can do some realy cool stuff
[10:29] <raphink> yes :)
[10:29] <raphink> very powerful
[10:29] <Hobbsee> happy birthday nixternal_bday 
[10:30] <raphink> oh great :)
[10:30] <imbrandon> gah why is kbfx segfaulting
[10:30] <raphink> happy bday nixternal_bday <>< :)
[10:30] <imbrandon> great 
[10:30] <imbrandon> ......
[10:31] <raphink> yes there's a pb in kbfx somehow
[10:31] <raphink> dunno why
[10:31] <raphink> I saw it work just fine on other distros
[10:32] <raphink> my the fonts on kde 3.5.4 are horrible
[10:32] <Hobbsee> raphink: likely due to edgy?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> wrist hurts :(
[10:33] <raphink> maybe
[10:33] <imbrandon> pb ?
[10:33] <raphink> ewww kbfx crashed my kicker
[10:33] <raphink> imbrandon: problem
[10:33] <imbrandon> yea , i'm gonna grab a svn snapshot and try to fix it
[10:38] <imbrandon> diff -ruN kbfxwork/ kbfx-0.4.9.1+0.4.9.2rc1/ > kbfx.diff
[10:38] <imbrandon> gah
[10:38] <raphink> yeah
[10:38] <raphink>  $ echo ${FQDN#*.}
[10:38] <raphink> foo.bar.com
[10:38] <raphink>  $ echo ${FQDN##*.}
[10:38] <raphink> com
[10:38] <raphink> :D
[10:38] <imbrandon> heh nice
[10:39] <raphink>  $ echo ${FQDN%.*}
[10:39] <raphink> toto.foo.bar
[10:39] <raphink> :)
[10:39] <raphink>  $ echo ${FQDN%.*}
[10:39] <raphink> toto
[10:39] <raphink> :)
[10:39] <raphink> because the section in "man bash" about that is impossible to understand
[10:41] <Hobbsee> right, ksensors done.
[10:42] <seaLne> yeah my fonts in edgy look bad to
[10:42] <raphink> :s
[10:47] <kane___> anyone here uses Skim IME ?
[10:53] <raphink> nope
[10:53] <raphink> kane___: freeflying|away uses it
[10:53] <kane___> raphink: yeah ... but he's away :/
[10:55] <kane___> raphink: i have a problem with SCIM and Kwin ... for some reason, after enabling the use of SCIM/Skim, kwin starts automatically only every alternate KDE startup
[10:56] <kane___> raphink: so far, i have no idea how to debug it ...
[10:56] <freeflying|away> kane___: what's up
[10:57] <kane___> freeflying|away: just want to confirm something ... does kwin work for you properly after using the xinput.d method to enable SCIM ?
[10:57] <freeflying|away> kane___: works well
[10:57] <kane___> damn ...
[10:58] <kane___> freeflying|away: not damning you of course :)
[10:58] <freeflying|away> kane___:  :)
[10:58] <kane___> just that I and my 3 machines seem to be alone in this
[10:59] <kane___> freeflying|away: any ideas where to start debugging this ? disabling scim (removing the en_US entry in xinput.d) causes kwin to work properly everytime ... enabling it, causes kwin to startup only every alternate KDE startup
[11:00] <kane___> freeflying|away: if on a particular startup, kwin doesnt start, all I need to do is "end current session" and relogin
[11:01] <freeflying|away> kane___: you wanna use skim/scim under en_US locale?
[11:01] <kane___> freeflying|away: yes, i am using it under the en_US locale
[11:02] <kane___> specifically, en_US.UTF-8
[11:03] <freeflying|away> kane___:  you only need do im-switch -s scim_xim default ( installed im-switch skim scim-pinyin/chewing,etc)
[11:04] <kane___> freeflying|away: no thats not the problem ...
[11:04] <kane___> freeflying|away: see, i created an entry en_US in the xinput.d ... that should automatically enable scim for my locale
[11:05] <kane___> freeflying|away: the problem is that, kwin now refuses to start on every alternate KDE startup
[11:05] <kane___> freeflying|away: disabling scim, allows kwin to start every time
[11:05] <freeflying|away> kane___: do you use kdm? or startx
[11:05] <kane___> freeflying|away: enabling it, causes kwin to start only every alternate KDE startup
[11:05] <kane___> freeflying|away: KDM
[11:05] <kane___> freeflying|away: startx causes kwin to start everytime ... for some reason :/
[11:07] <freeflying|away> kane___: how about change en_US to all_ALL?
[11:07] <Hobbsee> bye all
[11:07] <imbrandon> l8tr Hobbsee
[11:07] <raphink> bye Hobbsee
[11:08] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: bye
[11:08] <kane___> freeflying|away: will im-switch work with all_ALL ?
[11:08] <Hobbsee> time to drive home.
[11:08] <kane___> ciao Hobbsee
[11:09] <freeflying|away> kane___: and link /etc/alternatives/xinput-all_ALL to /etc/X11xinit/xinput.d/scim_xim, and try again
[11:15] <kane___> freeflying|away: ok ill try that
[11:16] <kane___> freeflying|away: when you said change en_US to all_ALL ... do you mean to change the locale to all_ALL ? or the entry in xinput.d ?
[11:18] <freeflying|away> kane___: no, you just created a en_US under xinput.d?
[11:18] <kane___> freeflying|away: yes
[11:18] <kane___> freeflying|away: i created a file /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/en_US
[11:19] <freeflying|away> kane___: then change it to all_ALL, like zh_CN,but link it to scim_xim not scim-pinyin
[11:20] <kane___> freeflying|away: then, i should change LC_ALL=all_ALL ?
[11:21] <freeflying|away> kane___: needn't
[11:21] <freeflying|away> kane___: these settings will let you use scim underr any locales
[11:21] <kane___> freeflying|away: ok, let me try ... i hope the kwin problem goes away
[11:22] <freeflying|away> kane___: you'r the first have such a problem  :)
[11:22] <kane___> yeah i know :(
[11:24] <kane___> freeflying|away: now skim doesnt start
[11:24] <kane___> no scim* process
[11:27] <freeflying|away> kane___: replace the content in scim_xim with follwoing
[11:27] <freeflying|away> XIM=SCIM
[11:27] <freeflying|away> if [ -e /usr/bin/skim ] ; then
[11:27] <freeflying|away>     XIM_PROGRAM=/usr/bin/skim
[11:27] <freeflying|away> else
[11:28] <freeflying|away>     XIM_PROGRAM=/usr/bin/scim
[11:28] <freeflying|away> fi
[11:28] <freeflying|away> XIM_ARGS="-d"
[11:28] <freeflying|away> GTK_IM_MODULE=scim
[11:28] <freeflying|away> QT_IM_MODULE=xim
[11:28] <freeflying|away> DEPENDS="scim,scim-gtk2-immodule | scim-qtimm"
[11:31] <kane___> freeflying|away: ok, restarting machine
[11:38] <kane___> freeflying|away: ok, kwin seems to be starting ... but now, there is a DCOP communications error on every startup ... due to skim
[11:39] <kane___> freeflying|away: (i rebooted machine twice)
[11:40] <freeflying|away> kane___: del the DCOP stuffs under your dir, and re-try  :0
[11:41] <kane___> freeflying|away: i think, it is not that
[11:42] <kane___> freeflying|away: it is probably because the skim is trying to attach to the DCOP server ... but there is no server to attach to
[11:42] <kane___> freeflying|away: ... because xsession runs /usr/bin/skim even before starting xorg ...
[11:43] <freeflying|away> kane___: no, the prority of skim is quite lower, you may try low it anymore ( mk 90im-switch under /etc/X11/Xsession.d)
[11:45] <kane___> freeflying|away: right now, it is 98im-switch
[11:45] <kane___> freeflying|away: so, the higher items are started earlier than lower items in Xsession.d ?
[11:46] <freeflying|away> kane___: maybe you will have extra issues  :)
[11:46] <kane___> freeflying|away: 99xorg-common_start is started before 90xorg-common_ssh-agent ?
[11:46] <kane___> freeflying|away: its ok, i remember changing the im-switch from 90 to 98
[11:48] <kane___> freeflying|away: 99 is started after 90 right ?
[11:48] <freeflying|away> kane___: I think so, but can not confirm it
[11:49] <kane___> freeflying|away: look in Xsession.d ... it looks like 99 is started after 90, not the other way around
[11:52] <danimo> Riddell: where did you upload the kopete package to?
[11:52] <danimo> Riddell: dapper or edgy?
[11:52] <Tonio_> _Sime: it looks like the dpi patch fails with kde 3.5.4
[11:53] <_Sime> Tonio_: :-/ how?
[11:53] <Tonio_> _Sime: don't know, but I just upgraded and my fonts are now ridiculously little
[11:53] <_Sime> Tonio_: it is probably being run at the wrong (too late) in the login sequence
[11:53] <Tonio_> _Sime: that's possible
[11:54] <Tonio_> _Sime: if you need my help concerning the intel gpu, I'll be there toonight
[11:54] <Tonio_> we can see this in the same time if you want
[11:55] <_Sime> Tonio_: what is your email addy?
[11:55] <Tonio_> tonio@ubuntu.com
[11:56] <_Sime> ok, I need to collect some info from your laptop. I'll email everything you need to know. :)
[11:56] <hunger__> Tonio_: You did that close-button-on-tab patch?
[11:57] <hunger__> Tonio_: How can I turn that off again? It is the most annoying thing I saw in ubuntu so far.
[12:00] <Tonio_> hunger__: you cannot remove it in kopete
[12:00] <hunger__> Tonio_: How about konqueror?
[12:00] <Tonio_> you can in konqueror but only manually in konquerorrc file
[12:00] <hunger__> Tonio_: That is where it annoys me the most.
[12:00] <Tonio_> it's unclusion may be removed if people don't like it...
[12:00] <Tonio_> I just added it for tests
[12:01] <hunger__> Tonio_: It basically makes it impossible for me to switch tabs with the mouse!
[12:01] <hunger__> Tonio_: I do not like it at all. It is the most annoying thing I saw since coming to ubuntu.
[12:02] <hunger__> Tonio_: And that it ignores my "no close buttons on tabs" setting is making it even more annoying.
[12:02] <Tonio_> I can understand
[12:02] <Tonio_> that's why we will discuss this
[12:02] <hunger__> Tonio_: The problem is this: I have many tabs in konqueror.
[12:02] <Tonio_> the problem is that there is no graphical option to turn it on/off
[12:03] <hunger__> Tonio_: So each tab is pretty small, basically the favicon and a letter.
[12:03] <toma> moguh
[12:03] <hunger__> Tonio_: So when I want to switch tabs I almost always end up clicking on the favicon... which turns into a close button and closes the tab.
[12:05] <hunger__> Tonio_: all this tab stuff should be configurable in one central place for all apps...
[12:05] <Tonio_> hunger__: that will be discussed in the next meeting and there are lots of chances that it gets removed if the feedback is negative
[12:05] <hunger__> Tonio_: Would make your live easier, too.
[12:07] <hunger__> Tonio_: Well, that is the only change I did really notice;-)
[12:07] <Tonio_> hunger__: I agree on that point
[12:08] <Tonio_> _Sime: do you have a possible solution for the dpi patch I could test eventually ?
[12:09] <_Sime> Tonio_: not now. I need to first upgrade my test machine to edgy, and then look at the new kde login sequence. Riddel may have to patch kde to fix this, IMHO.
[12:10] <Tonio_> _Sime: okay
[12:10] <Tonio_> that can wait a bit
[12:12] <Tonio_> I need to check out my touchpad.... the scroll on the right doesn't seem to work since 3.5.4...
[12:12] <Tonio_> and katapult still fails here...
[12:19] <seaLne> is there still going to be a meeting on monday?
[01:14] <omeow> Can someone please help me overcome my problem? After the last few updates, my xorg server can't seem to find my fonts.
[01:14] <omeow> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/, removing from list!
[01:15] <abattoir> omeow: is xfs installed?
[01:15] <abattoir> btw, is this edgy?
[01:16] <omeow> abattoir: yes to both
[01:17] <omeow> KDE starts just fine. 
[01:17] <uniq> do you use xfs? is that neccessary ? 
[01:17] <omeow> Certain programs have fonts, but when you hover over it, it goes away.
[01:17] <omeow> I don't know if it's necesarry.
[01:17] <abattoir> uniq: i had to install it to upgrade to edgy successfully...
[01:17] <abattoir> and if i remember right, omeow had to too
[01:17] <Hobbsee> oh yay, my computer will accept eth0 connections.
[01:18] <uniq> abattoir: i run edgy without xfs, with fonts.
[01:18] <uniq> didn't hack anything to make it work either.
[01:18] <imbrandon> omeow: gnomefreak had that problem too a few hours ago, the only way he could fix it is remove xorg and x-window-system-core and reinstall them
[01:19] <omeow> seaLne said the font problem might be caused by nvidia drivers. 
[01:19] <omeow> imbrandon: I'll try it.
[01:19] <uniq> if the nvidia drivers makes problems, that would explain why it works for me.. as i use the xorg ati driver.
[01:19] <seaLne> well that was my problem which had the same symptoms
[01:19] <imbrandon> uniq: yea i have no problems without xfs either
[01:19] <Hobbsee> what's the problem, sorry?
[01:19] <seaLne> no text/fonts
[01:20] <uniq> Hobbsee: omeow got fontproblems with edgy.
[01:20] <imbrandon> x server updae borking fonts
[01:20] <seaLne> omeow: do you get text in an xterm?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> uniq: ah
[01:20] <seaLne> thats an xterm not something similar
[01:21] <omeow> Re-installing didn't help. Weird thing is. My input fields in KDM do show some text, but as I start typing my password, it all goes away.
[01:21] <omeow> seaLne: I don't get text in yakuake. (assuming that that's an xterm)
[01:22] <uniq> omeow: xterm is the command 'xterm'.. 
[01:22] <imbrandon> omeow: no true bluse xterm
[01:22] <imbrandon> blue even
[01:23] <omeow> Yes, I get text in that.
[01:23] <danimo> moin folks
[01:23] <uniq> hi danimo.
[01:23] <omeow> I just re-installed xorg and x-window-system-core. It didn't seem to do the trick.
[01:24] <imbrandon> moins danimo
[01:24] <danimo> hi Hobbsee
[01:25] <danimo> there's nothing like breakfast at 1:30pm :)
[01:25] <omeow> Did it break for you as well, Hobbsee? :)
[01:25] <omeow> Probably not... 
[01:25] <omeow> You're always lucky.
[01:25] <seaLne> omeow: did you do what i suggested and build xserver-xorg-video-nv? then change to using nv?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> omeow: nope
[01:26] <Hobbsee> hi danimo!
[01:26] <Tm_T> hi kids
[01:26] <omeow> seaLne: You mean build it from source?
[01:26] <seaLne> yes, what i suggested yesterday
[01:27] <danimo> Hobbsee: still short on bandwidth?
[01:27] <omeow> Hm, i'll try it now. But I don't like having to switch drivers. It usually means i'll not be able to use both my screens for testing purposes. =/
[01:27] <Hobbsee> danimo: yeah.
[01:27] <danimo> damn
[01:28] <omeow> seaLne: was it apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-nv and then apt-get build xserver-xorg-video-nv?
[01:28] <omeow> And how does that solve the problem?
[01:28] <seaLne> i used pbuilder to build it
[01:28] <omeow> My problem seems to be that x can't find the location to my fonts.
[01:28] <seaLne> the module for nv hasn't been build by the buildds yet
[01:28] <omeow> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/, removing from list!
[01:28] <omeow> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/OTF, removing from list!
[01:28] <omeow> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/CID/, removing from list!
[01:28] <omeow> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/, removing from list!
[01:29] <omeow> So obviously, I need to figure out how to get those installed/symlinked there.
[01:29] <imbrandon> svn up konversation
[01:29] <imbrandon> doh
[01:29] <seaLne> depending how old your xorg config is things like fonts changing isn't that unusual
[01:29] <omeow> hehe :)
[01:30] <omeow> I'll try generating a new one via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. See what happens then.
[01:30] <omeow> Maybe it'll use new font paths.
[01:30] <Hobbsee> danimo: why?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how's konversation doing?  working?
[01:31] <danimo> Hobbsee: less packages from you I guess
[01:31] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: trying to fix the ftbs on edgy ( or rather see if its fixed )
[01:31] <imbrandon> and doing a new nightly
[01:31] <danimo> Hobbsee: just hurts to see that bandwith limitation is still common practice
[01:32] <Hobbsee> danimo: i uploaded one earlier - i've been out.
[01:32] <imbrandon> heh she can still ssh into places and build ;) that and its only for hrm 1 more day right ?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> it's for 2 more days
[01:32] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:32] <danimo> Hobbsee: out?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> danimo: i'll be uploading less soon anyway - uni goes back
[01:32] <danimo> Hobbsee: yeah, end of month approaching
[01:32] <Hobbsee> yes, out.  i went to SLUG on friday night, and was at stevenk's, then went and fixed a server by putting ubuntu on it.
[01:33] <seaLne> when? uk unis don't go back for nearly 2 months
[01:33] <danimo> Hobbsee: well, uni won't start here for another 2 months
[01:33] <omeow> Fix by re-installing. Nice.
[01:33] <Hobbsee> danimo: nice
[01:33] <Hobbsee> uni starts again on monday
[01:33] <danimo> Hobbsee: well no, means I cannot attend akademy
[01:34] <seaLne> yeah akademy seems a very strange time
[01:34] <Hobbsee> danimo: ahh...
[01:34] <danimo> Hobbsee: which is why I demand an extra birthday party :)
[01:35] <Hobbsee> danimo: hehe!
[01:35] <danimo> Hobbsee: let's see what to do on october 14th
[01:36] <Hobbsee> uniq: hmmm?
[01:36] <omeow> Ok, so dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't seem to work either... =/
[01:36] <omeow> Do the TTF fonts come with xorg or are they installed seperately?
[01:36] <danimo> wow, http://dot.kde.org/1003095688/ was from the fifth birthday
[01:36] <uniq> ehm.. sorry.. testing new irssi scripts :)
[01:36] <uniq> Hobbsee: ^^
[01:36] <uniq> wrong channel and all.. :)
[01:36] <Hobbsee> uniq: ahh :)
[01:37] <danimo> Hobbsee: you gotta read the announcement, real fun :)
[01:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: new KDE packages in need of testing? ping me ;)
[01:37] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: yeah, they do.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> thought i did...
[01:38] <omeow> Tm_T: they are in need of testing. That's why I upgraded. But I can't test because I don't have any fonts. =(
[01:39] <imbrandon> Tm_T: yup , they are in edgy by default or dapper check kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354
[01:39] <Tm_T> I'm in dapper now
[01:40] <imbrandon> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354 dapper main , it should be i think
[01:40] <Tm_T> ugh, testing then
[01:40] <imbrandon> yea just checked it is
[01:40] <Tm_T> thanks sirs
[01:40] <omeow> imbrandon: Any other idea's as to how to solve my problem. =/ Why am I constantly having problems and you guys never seem to have any. (Or don't ask about it, because you know the answer.)
[01:40] <omeow> *ideas
[01:41] <imbrandon> no ideas and yes i have my shre of issue, i just either fix them or your not here to see me ask <evil grin> but in all serouisness i dont know why you have so many issues
[01:41] <Tm_T> errrh, 186 NOT upgrade
[01:41] <Tm_T> hmm, doesn't sound too good
[01:42] <Tm_T> oh well, testing anyway =)
[01:42] <imbrandon> no idea Tm_T heh i dont have dapper installed anymore on any of my machines except the servers and no X there ;(
[01:43] <imbrandon> i guess i should install dapper on my lappy to test backports
[01:43] <imbrandon> heh
[01:43] <Tm_T> hmm, also
[01:43] <Tm_T> After unpacking 332MB disk space will be freed
[01:43] <Tm_T> err? what's the big save here
[01:43] <imbrandon> umm whats it removing
[01:43] <imbrandon> looks like oo.o
[01:43] <Tm_T> nothing
[01:43] <omeow> imbrandon: well, ok. :) Can you tell me how to get my TTF fonts back in /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF then?
[01:44] <Tm_T> nothing remove
[01:44] <imbrandon> omeow: sudo apt-cache search xfonts
[01:44] <Tm_T> that's the weird thing, how it can save that much space without removing any
[01:44] <imbrandon> Tm_T: yea that is strange
[01:45] <Tm_T> almost like some packages are empty shells :p
[01:45] <omeow> imbrandon: trying to re-install xfonts-base
[01:46] <omeow> It tries to write to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc
[01:46] <omeow> warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory
[01:46] <omeow> If I create the directory for it, it gets removed again when I try to re-install it again.
[01:47] <imbrandon> gah FTBS
[01:47] <Tm_T> =)
[01:47] <Tm_T> omeow: sounds, err, interesting
[01:48] <imbrandon> omeow: welcome to edgy
[01:48] <Tm_T> imbrandon: :p
[01:48] <imbrandon> omeow: but serouisly i have no idea man, i just truble shoot from errors
[01:48] <omeow> blegh, I'm fed up at the moment. *poof*
[01:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what's it doing?
[01:50] <imbrandon> ftb on dapper now, lol , i'm gonna recheck out from svn instead of updating see if that makes a diff
[01:50] <imbrandon> start with a fresh checkout for both
[01:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ahhh...right.  so you're not having trouble with the pbuilder, just konvi.
[01:53] <imbrandon> ohh yea heh
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you know what the most annoying thing about working on your machine is?
[01:54] <omeow> It's not yours?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> omeow: nope
[01:55] <imbrandon> heh whats that Hobbsee ?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> it's the fact that i cant kick it, or do anything at all to it when it doesnt work, because it's on another darn continent.  i cant even shut it down in frustration.
[01:55] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[01:55] <imbrandon> sudo shutdown -h now ;)
[01:55] <seaLne> imbrandon: don't give her physical access i think :)
[01:56] <imbrandon> sudo reboot ;)
[01:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: no response from upstream concerning kio-locate
[01:56] <danimo> imbrandon: quick, take her off the sude list! :)
[01:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will probably upload with that patch after ufv exception is approved
[01:56] <danimo> sudo even
[01:56] <danimo> Riddell: how is backports coming along?
[01:56] <seaLne> sude sounds a much cooler comand :)
[01:57] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:57] <Hobbsee> danimo: backports?  have they unbroken it yet?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_, were you going to stick your kopete patch in?
[01:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: lots of chances it gets removed since the setting isn't widely appreciated ;)
[01:58] <Tonio_> feedback is globally negative
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah, is it?  great.  i hear negative feedback over the close button on the konqueror tabs - is that the same thing?
[01:58] <seaLne> close button on the konqueror tabs is good
[01:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I notice that since today the scroll up/down on the right of my touchpad doesn't work anymore... it seems to be linked to kde 3.5.4 since it fails since I upgraded to it...
[01:59] <Tonio_> seaLne: that needs to be debated in the meeting...
[01:59] <Tonio_> lots of people don't like it
[01:59] <danimo> Hobbsee: I don't even know why there are no backports at this point
[01:59] <Tonio_> some do (I do !)
[01:59] <danimo> Hobbsee: what's broken about it?
[02:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll investigate this on kde bts, because it is a real pain with laptops if that doesn't work
[02:00] <danimo> Hobbsee_: what's broken about it?
[02:01] <seaLne> is that not just part of X?
[02:01] <Hobbsee_> danimo: they're having trouble with soyuz and it?  or they were.  the archive people dont know how to use it
[02:01] <danimo> Hobbsee: what
[02:01] <imbrandon> danimo: no soyuz support atm
[02:01] <danimo> Hobbsee: what's soyuz again? (other than "a fancy launchpad module")?
[02:02] <imbrandon> its what handels the -bakports buildd's
[02:02] <imbrandon> on LP
[02:02] <danimo> ic
[02:02] <danimo> fascinating
[02:02] <danimo> sucks, though
[02:02] <Tonio_> if someone using edgy can confirm alt+space doesn't produce anything anymore...
[02:03] <Tonio_> katapult is unusable here, although it is correctly configured...
[02:03] <danimo> Hobbsee__: you've got some serious connectivity problem, don't you? :)
[02:03] <Hobbsee__> danimo: hehe
[02:03] <Hobbsee__> danimo: just dual boot
[02:03] <Hobbsee__> danimo: actually, i'm testing out network manager stuff.
[02:04] <danimo> Hobbsee: very cool. does edgy support vpn modules properly nowadays?
[02:04] <Tonio_> danimo: ;)
[02:04] <Tonio_> thanks ;)
[02:04] <Hobbsee> danimo: no idea.  ask stevenk in motu
[02:04] <danimo> ok
[02:09] <toma> hhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyy Hobbsee
[02:09] <Hobbsee> hi toma 
[02:58] <bddebian> Hello
[02:58] <Tm_T> moin
[03:07] <Tm_T> anyway, I think I don't install those 3.5.4 packages until I know what's that huge difference
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: did you see the changelog?
[03:08] <Tm_T> nope
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: kuroneko
[03:09] <Hobbsee> oops
[03:10] <Tm_T> =)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_3to3_5_4.php
[03:10] <Tm_T> thanks
[03:10] <Tm_T> you're precious :)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:12] <Tm_T> hmm, can't see anything that would explain over 300 MB
[03:14] <Tm_T> oh well, I try =)
[03:14] <Tm_T> I can always downgrade
[03:14] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:15] <Tm_T> maybe it's just split packages
[03:16] <Tm_T> ok, what happened to kdelibs-bin ?
[03:16] <Tm_T> The following packages will be REMOVED: kdelibs-bin
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: now a part of kdelibs4c2a
[03:17] <Tm_T> ok, then I go ahad
[03:17] <Tm_T> ahead
[03:17] <Tm_T> thanks :)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[03:18] <pygi> Hobbsee, ;)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hey pygi :)
[03:31] <Tm_T> meh, KDE4 is fun
[04:06] <toma> Hobbsee: Whats the state of the backports?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> toma: ask crimsun or jdong.  they certainly werent working, not sure about now
[04:07] <toma> k
[04:09] <Tm_T> mooooh
[04:09] <Tm_T> KDE 3.5.4 is missing "language-pack-kde-engb"
[04:10] <Tm_T> no, I will not use KDE with yankee-english
[04:18] <seaLne> :)
[04:19] <Tm_T> hmm, I'm bit excited, haven't been using packaged kwin for a long time
[04:19] <Tm_T> used to compile it myself
[04:20] <Tonio_> toma: I may require your help once again....
[04:20] <Tonio_> I'm trying to patch kicker to get the "normal" height to 48 instead of 46 pix....
[04:20] <Tonio_> here is the patch :
[04:21] <Tm_T> Tonio_: why you need 2px more?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: icons on two rows
[04:21] <Tm_T> aah!
[04:21] <Tm_T> Tonio_: then, I can look at it
[04:22] <Tonio_> Tm_T: to get the systray on 2 lines by default
[04:22] <Tonio_> Tm_T: do you know a working pastebin like ?
[04:22] <Tonio_> pastebin.com is quite dead at the moment
[04:22] <Tm_T> pastebin.ca should work
[04:22] <Tm_T> .com is stuck
[04:23] <Tonio_> http://pastebin.ca/105117
[04:23] <Tonio_> here it is.... should be okay, but doesn't work for some reason I don't understand
[04:23] <Tonio_> I hope you'll find what I miss
[04:23] <danimo> what's the status of the libqt4 packages?
[04:23] <danimo> I cannot upgrade them in edgy
[04:23] <danimo> remotely!
[04:23] <danimo> :)
[04:24] <toma> Tonio_: hmm
[04:24] <Tm_T> danimo: I heard there's some problems with qt4
[04:24] <danimo> did anyone try kerry btw?
[04:25] <Tm_T> what's that
[04:25] <danimo> the kde beagle frontend
[04:25] <Tonio_> I don't see what else can define the kicker's size appart from those settings
[04:25] <danimo> shipped by suse, also in the kubuntu repo
[04:25] <danimo> might make sense as a default in edgy
[04:25] <danimo> depending on wether they ship with beagle
[04:26] <toma> Tonio_: libkicker/global.cpp maybe?
[04:26] <Tonio_> toma: look at my patch, I already patched there
[04:26] <toma> ah, ok
[04:27] <Tonio_> this is the problem, everything is set to 48 but it doesn't work...
[04:27] <Tonio_> "normal" size is still 46
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ah, waht's k-d-s say?
[04:44] <toma> Tonio_: did you check .kde/share/config?
[04:55] <freeflying|away> danimo: beagle in main now?
[04:55] <danimo> freeflying|away: no idea
[04:55] <danimo> does anyone know?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> !info beagle
[04:56] <ubotu> beagle: indexing and search tool for your personal data. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.2.6-1ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 1208 kB, installed size 3992 kB
[04:56] <Hobbsee> !info beagle edgy
[04:56] <ubotu> beagle: indexing and search tool for your personal data. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.2.7-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1220 kB, installed size 4072 kB
[04:56] <Hobbsee> universe.
[04:56] <freeflying|away> heh, then kerry can not be ship in edgy's cd 
[04:56] <toma> !info digikam edgy
[04:56] <ubotu> digikam: digital photo management application for KDE. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2~rc1-0ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 4073 kB, installed size 9708 kB
[04:57] <robotgeek> last.fm support in amarok <3 :)
[04:58] <freeflying|away> digikam need be in main
[04:59] <toma> why?
[04:59] <robotgeek> in system settings , keyboard shortcuts is hidden away in "Regional and Accessibility". This is probably better off under "keyboard" 
[05:00] <freeflying|away> toma: nowdays,many people has a camera, so digikam will be useful for them
[05:00] <toma> right
[05:01] <toma> is that the selection method for main?
[05:02] <freeflying|away> it's in universe, we'd file a MainInclusionReport for it, and poke pitti or orthers review it
[05:03] <robotgeek> !info knetworkmanager edgy
[05:03] <ubotu> knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.1~svn-r533312-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 263 kB, installed size 1412 kB
[05:03] <robotgeek> nice
[05:06] <toma> freeflying|away: is there an example for such a report?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> toma: yeah.  dont remember where though
[05:07] <toma> ill dig
[05:07] <robotgeek> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportAdept?highlight=%28report%29%7C%28inclusion%29%7C%28main%29
[05:08] <freeflying|away> robotgeek: thanks
[05:08] <freeflying|away> :)
[05:08] <freeflying|away> !info kpowersave
[05:08] <ubotu> kpowersave: frontend to powersave for setting user specific policies. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-1ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 3199 kB, installed size 4924 kB
[05:09] <robotgeek> hmm, how is work on that coming up?
[05:10] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: non existant from ubuntu side, unless lure's touching it.  and he was really busy
[05:11] <robotgeek> okay, my power works fine though. i am really happpy with linux on my ibook :)
[05:11] <aliasfred> this main inclusion report is done manually or is it a bot reporting ?
[05:11] <robotgeek> aliasfred: its done manually, mostly after a meeting or so
[05:11] <aliasfred> ok thanks
[05:12] <freeflying|away> robotgeek: have you trid edgy on your ibook?
[05:12] <ubuntu-cn> ibook?
[05:13] <robotgeek> freeflying|away: not yet, i am waiting for my external usb to come around so that i can install edgy on that
[05:14] <freeflying|away> robotgeek: yaboot can boot it from usb media?
[05:14] <robotgeek> freeflying|away: hmm, never really thought of that one. i did it using grub
[05:14] <robotgeek> not on my ibook, but one my friends dellls
[05:15] <freeflying|away> robotgeek: hmmm
[05:16] <robotgeek> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-84131.html
[05:16] <robotgeek> sorry, wrong link
[05:17] <robotgeek> should be able to, i will document wht i do :)
[05:17] <freeflying|away> robotgeek: grub on ibook?  :)
[05:17] <ubuntu-cn> freeflying|away, is there any method could let my laptop boot from usb?
[05:18] <robotgeek> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80811 ubuntu-cn 
[05:18] <freeflying|away> ubuntu-cn: grub can do it 
[05:18] <robotgeek> should work for dapper too
[05:19] <ubuntu-cn> grub can run on ibook?
[05:19] <robotgeek> ubuntu-cn: no, i think yaboot should be albe to handle it too
[05:20] <ubuntu-cn> what a pitty
[05:20] <robotgeek> ubuntu-cn: why so?
[05:22] <Tm_T> Tonio_: got it?
[05:22] <ubuntu-cn> robotgeek,because i think grub is all-purpose before
[05:22] <robotgeek> might acutally be supported, man 5 yaboot.conf shows sda stuff :)
[05:35] <Philip5> hi guys, i have a problem when building a deb package with dpkg-buildpackage and everthing starts fine, gets configed but when dpkg-parsechangelog is to run the debian/changelog have been been deleted somehow... anyone know if there is a comman problem that makes this behaviour?
[05:37] <bddebian> Philip5: No, it's not.  Make sure there isn't a rogue rm somewhere
[05:38] <bddebian> in debian/rules
[05:40] <Philip5> bddebian: doesn't look like it... more like it gets generated in like that in make.in
[05:40] <Tonio_> Tm_T: got what ?
[05:41] <Tonio_> toma: no I didn't check this since the parameters are in kickers code...
[05:41] <Tonio_> I probably miss something in it, but I don't think that can be configured
[05:41] <toma> Tonio_: size of kicker can be set
[05:41] <Tonio_> what can be configured is the manual value
[05:41] <toma> no, you can choose the size
[05:41] <Tonio_> toma: yes I know, but that will define "personal" value
[05:42] <Tonio_> not "small", "normal", "medium"
[05:42] <Tonio_> that has to be patched in kdebase
[05:42] <Tonio_> but I'm certainly miss something in the code
[05:42] <Tonio_> no ?
[05:42] <toma> nad the size is not stored?
[05:43] <bddebian> Philip5: The debian/changelog file gets generated in makefile.in?
[05:44] <Tonio_> toma: CustomSize=48
[05:44] <Tonio_> that is the setting in kickerrc
[05:44] <Tonio_> but that's for "personnal" value
[05:44] <toma> that is the slider for personal
[05:44] <Tonio_> the idea is to hardcode the setting for the "normal" size
[05:44] <bddebian> OK sorry, gotta run
[05:44] <toma> and where is the size of the kicker stored?
[05:44] <Tonio_> and since the code is visible in kicker source, I don't understand why it doesn't work
[05:44] <Tonio_> toma: look at the patch I've done
[05:44] <Tonio_> http://pastebin.ca/105117
[05:45] <Tonio_> here it is
[05:45] <toma> Tonio_: in the settings of kicker i can choose small/medium/large.
[05:45] <Tonio_> I think the principle is good, but I may miss something
[05:45] <toma> and personal
[05:45] <Tonio_> yes and look at my patch
[05:45] <Tonio_> you'll see where are the settings for small, medium, large stored
[05:45] <Tonio_> they are hardcoded
[05:46] <toma> yes, but where are they stored?
[05:46] <Tonio_> the value you have selected is stored in kickerrc
[05:46] <Tonio_> but the size of that value is hardcoded
[05:46] <Tonio_> for example
[05:48] <Philip5> bddebian: no but there is a rm for the changelog there
[05:48] <toma> Tonio_: i doubt it stores 'medium/large', it will store the actual size, but i don't see where
[05:48] <Tonio_> toma: size=2, size=3 etc....
[05:48] <Tonio_> here is the setting
[05:48] <Tonio_> size=1 is small
[05:48] <Tonio_> size=3 is medium
[05:49] <Tonio_> from 1 to 5
[05:49] <Tonio_> and the corresponding value is in kicker's code
[05:49] <Tonio_> the point is my patch should work...
[05:49] <Tonio_> I don't see what is wrong with it...
[05:49] <Tonio_> I will try on a new profile, maybe I have something in mine causing an issue...
[05:53] <ubuntu-cn> hi,guys.how much time must i to wait before i can post on ubuntu forum?
[05:55] <Tonio_> raphink: ton patch kdebase pour virer la corbeille de l'applet system ne marche plus
[05:55] <Tonio_> il faudra le refaire, car ca a l'air de merder sous kde 3.5.4
[05:55] <Tonio_> je m'en occuperai si tu veux vu que j'ai ce putain de patch a faire
[05:56] <raphink> argh
[05:56] <raphink> ok merci
[06:35] <erov> anyone having trouble upgrading from the 4:3.5.3-0ubuntu0.1 to 0.2 from http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353 repository?
[06:36] <erov> kdelibs-data
[06:42] <Tm_T> nah
[06:43] <Tm_T> and I upgraded to .4 already
[06:43] <Tm_T> still compiling kdepim so haven't tested it yet
[06:44] <erov> ok
[06:45] <Tm_T> erov: so, no problems noticed
[06:46] <erov> it tries to when I upgrade .. and this is where the original package came from
[06:47] <erov> i have installed things like kopete manually (compiling) but used J. Riddell's rss announcement as a link to get the 3.5.3 .. now adept shows it's updgradeable but has errors when trying to upgrade
[06:47] <Tm_T> what's the exact error
[06:48] <erov> Commit might break packages
[06:48] <Tm_T> hmm, adept?
[06:49] <erov> yeah
[06:49] <erov> im doing cl right now
[06:49] <Tm_T> I'd like to see what apt-get says
[06:49] <erov> doing now
[06:50] <Sime> Riddell: ping
[06:50] <Tm_T> I think sir is in entertainment mood
[06:50] <Tm_T> that means, drunk
[06:50] <Tm_T> ;)
[06:51] <Sime> Riddell: are you interested in a one line fix that makes the "Search" label font size actually match the "Show All" font in system-settings?
[06:53] <erov> oh my.. it is ktorrent 2 beta i think that's messing with it
[06:53] <Tm_T> heh
[06:53] <Tm_T> apt-get <3
[06:53] <erov> because its part of k-networks
[07:02] <Tm_T> men gott!
[07:02] <Tm_T> that upgrade messed up my desktop
[07:02] <Tm_T> not fun
[07:03] <Riddell> Sime: sure
[07:04] <Tm_T> that should be handled differently
[07:04] <Tm_T> I mean, my kwin settings has pulled down to defaults
[07:06] <Tm_T> worse, not followed
[07:07] <Tm_T> I mean titlebar buttons
[07:09] <Tm_T> yup, kwin doesn't follow xustom titlebar button settings
[07:09] <Tm_T> custom even
[07:12] <Tm_T> lets see if kwin from svn behaves better
[07:12] <Tm_T> nope
[07:14] <Tm_T> this is weird, most of kwin settings just effect nothing
[07:14] <Tm_T> I can choose windeco but I can't configure it
[07:21] <Tm_T> ok, so it's not kwin issue, something else is what I should blame
[07:24] <Tm_T> can anyone confirm this?
[07:32] <erov> what about CNN.com crashing konqueror now
[07:33] <erov> argh nm
[10:14] <Sime> tvo: ping
[10:16] <tvo> Sime: pong
[10:17] <Sime> tvo: Hi, google tells me that you did some work last in kio reguarding UDS_HIDDEN?
[10:17] <tvo> yeah
[10:17] <tvo> I needed that for a certain feature of kio locate
[10:17] <Sime> did you do anything else with that? (like supporting OS X style ".hidden" files?)
[10:18] <tvo> no, I didn't use it anywhere else
[10:19] <tvo> but files prefixed with '.' are hidden anyway (by the return value of SomeClass::IsHidden(), or whatever it was called)
[10:19] <tvo> (I'd have to look up exact function/class names)
[10:19] <Sime> ok, I was just wondering. I've been thinking about how to simplify file management in kde, without having to use fake io slaves like system:/ etc.
[10:19] <Sime> I've been looking for a way to hide /usr, /etc, /dev etc from the user in konq.
[10:21] <Sime> http://www.westwind.com/reference/OS-X/invisibles.html#hidden
[10:21] <tvo> ah
[10:22] <Sime> I would like to have clean "/" in konq, that still works in bash etc.
[10:22] <tvo> is file:/ protocol implemented by a kio slave in konqueror?
[10:22] <Sime> URLs in io slaves like media:/ and system:/ don't work in the shell.
[10:23] <Sime> file:/, yeah I would hope so. I guess so.
[10:23] <Sime> either way, it is hackable. :)
[10:23] <tvo> because in that case you could patch it to add a filter which sets UDS_HIDDEN for certain files
[10:23] <tvo> yeah true
[10:23] <Sime> yes, that is what I was thinking of doing.
[10:23] <Sime> actually the gnome file manager supports .hidden files.
[10:23] <Sime> oddly enough
[10:24] <tvo> konqueror did (does) that too afaik
[10:24] <Sime> well, it didn't do that today when I tested it.
[10:24] <tvo> hm, the View->Show/Hide hidden files switch didn't work?
[10:26] <Sime> nope, only works for file named .*
[10:27] <tvo> oh wait, I misunderstood you
[10:27] <tvo> you mean a .hidden file in a dir which hides a dir?
[10:27] <tvo> *the dir
[10:27] <tvo> in that case it indeed doesn't support it
[10:27] <tvo> afaik
[10:28] <Sime> yes, a file called ".hidden" which contains a list of files/dirs to hide. This is what OS X does.
[10:31] <tvo> aha, a ~/.hidden ? or a .hidden in a dir which hides files/dirs inside that dir?
[10:31] <Sime> the second one.
[10:31] <tvo> ok
[10:32] <tvo> well, I guess my original patch could be a good starting point (regarding which files to modify etc.)
[10:33] <Sime> yeah, I might give it a good tonight.
[10:34] <Sime> BTW, you're Dutch. I don't think I've ever seen you on the kde-nl mailing list, or at any of the KDE-NL events.
[10:35] <Sime> are you doing much with KDE these days? (or purely kubuntu?)
[10:35] <tvo> not much for both of them..
[10:36] <tvo> I'm one of the core devs of TA Spring now
[10:36] <tvo> an open source realtime strategy game, bit based on Total Annihilation
[10:36] <tvo> still do katapult tho
[10:37] <Sime> ok, oh, that's cool.
[10:37] <tvo> I'm really motivated for quite some time already to bring proper gaming experience to linux ;)
[10:37] <tvo> but it's very much work
[10:39] <Sime> linux needs more games. I've been playing a lot with wine this year trying out running games on it.
[10:39] <tvo> this one's gonna rock once we got several things sorted out :P
[10:39] <Sime> the game situation is improving on linux. it is taking a quite though.
[10:41] <Sime> I was going to ask you to come along to the tradionaly KDE-NL summer BBQ next month. :-D
[10:43] <tvo> would be cool, if I'm still welcome with my small amount of KDE(katapult) dev time per month :)
[10:45] <insanekane> freeflying|away: i still have the problem with skim/kwin ... i.e., either i have the kwin problem, or I have the dcop problem (skim starting too early)
[10:45] <insanekane> freeflying|away: i'd like to know ... what setup are you using on your machine ?
[10:45] <Sime> tvo: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-i18n-nl&m=115378042607485&w=2
[10:51] <tvo> Sime: thx  (indeed I'm not subscribed to KDE-NL (yet))
[10:52] <Sime> tvo: there is also #kde-nl
[10:52] <tvo> Sime: hm I could idle there too, there's #kubuntu-nl too btw, but it's really quiet...
[10:52] <Sime> tvo: I didn't know that.
[10:53] <Sime> tvo: Rinse on #kde-nl is the BBQ ring-leader. :)
[10:55] <tvo> Sime: yeah, I deduced that already, he's in #kubuntu-nl too
[10:56] <Sime> tvo: is he just....... I didn't know that he had changed over from suse (IIRC).