=== neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-239-169.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:28] night all [12:28] sleep now [12:29] sleep later, code now :o) [12:29] hehe [12:29] bye === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [12:39] ** deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/ dapper main testing needed [12:41] Riddell: you test the packages in dapper? [12:43] Riddell: wait ... I get it :o) === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:00] Riddell I would test, but xorg is still screwed up. =( === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.97.137] has joined #kubuntu-devel === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:12] Oki, installing 3.5.4 [01:14] Riddell: Somehow, with the last xorg upgrade, edgy managed to forget to install or misplace my fonts. So I don't get any fonts on KDE/KDM. [01:22] It's funny how one second the font works, and then it stops displaying when you try to interact with it. === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:27] What does it mean when a package is kept back? [01:27] I know it won't be upgraded, but why not? [01:27] Hello [01:28] Hi bddebian. [01:28] Heya omeow [01:31] bddebian: Do you know a solution to the missing fonts problem after upgrading to the latest version of xorg stuff? (prefaerably the one where you don't switch drivers) [01:31] No, unfortunately. Sorry [01:31] Is there a log of the stuff that got upgraded over time? [01:32] I'd like to try and revert everything related to xorg back to it's old version so hopefully fonts will work again. [01:37] =( [01:37] Back to windows then.. === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:44] omeow, :P === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:54] Don't you :P me, pygi. :) [01:54] !! [01:54] I know nothing about ! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu [01:56] It's not fun having a broken xorg server and not really knowing how to solve it. [01:57] omeow, whats broken? [01:58] I'm missing fonts I think. [01:58] KDE starts just fine, monitors seem to work. But I have no fonts at all. [01:58] eh, filed a bug report? [01:59] Dunno. Is it a bug? Anyone else getting this? [02:00] well, file a bug report on malone again xserver-xorg [02:00] I will do it tomorrow. [02:00] Need some sleep first. === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lmvaz [n=lmvaz@201.21.225.55] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:40] is this where I'm supposed to report kde 3.5.4 (dapper) errors? === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:43] nixternal: Yo [03:44] Someone wants the system tray to be in order :( [04:22] Riddell: Awake? === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.97.137] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.50.196] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ignite_ [n=Ignite@ACCF269B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.97.137] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@72.27.128.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:13] hi all [07:14] Hallo [07:16] hey DaSkreech === Hobbsee is stuck on dapper. [07:16] That's not a bad place to be stuck === Hobbsee looks at her email. argh, bugs! === Hobbsee prefers edgy. [07:17] Yeah I'm thinking of dual booting edgy and dapper [07:18] DaSkreech: smart. just better figure out what's screwed my eth0 first [07:18] Hobbsee: whats wrogn with it ? [07:18] wrong even [07:18] You are the fourth person I've heard say that [07:18] imbrandon_: on a friend's network, wont connect. [07:18] DaSkreech: hmmm? [07:19] i had some problems with sid and dhclient but not edgy ( yet ) [07:19] Edgy fried your eth0? [07:19] Did you do a Dist upgrade? === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.34.168] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:19] DaSkreech: yeah, day or so ago [07:21] Hmm [07:21] DaSkreech: any solution listed? === DaSkreech considers sitting out dist upgrades on edgy for a little [07:22] Not that I know of. But I didn't follow it up [07:22] hmmm. [07:22] DaSkreech: well, the only problematic thigns brekaing are apt/dpkg/ethernet stuff. [07:22] anything else is not major. [07:23] Yeah. I like having Net :) [07:23] DaSkreech: and its only for some people, i'm on edgy atm with no major issues [07:24] I know [07:24] Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.17-5-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), , RAM: 629/1003MB, 101 proc's, 5.56h up [07:24] yay :) [07:24] imbrandon_: you getting artsd crashing at random? [07:24] Hobbsee: not i but i have herd people say that [07:24] hmmm okay [07:25] i didnt seem to get them this morning, but i disabled kde sound yesterday. [07:25] :P [07:25] mostly dapper 354 i think [07:25] not edgy 354 , not that i think there is much if any diffrence [07:25] oh yeah, i think i tried for edgy [07:26] hmmm...adblock plus is buggered for the new firefox. [07:26] hehe darn extensions [07:26] dillo FTW [07:26] only 1d 18h till i have all the dr who 2006 epsidodes LOL finly found them in the US [07:27] Is it any good? [07:27] is what ? [07:27] Dr Who 2006 [07:27] dunno , they havent air'd ( and wont ) in the usa , so i havent had a chance to watch them yet, thus i'm downloading them [07:28] i've only seen the 2005 season === DaSkreech goes theme hunting :) === Hobbsee goes on a witch hunt. [07:30] lol === Hobbsee wants to find out WHO BROKE DHCLIENT!!!! [07:31] it seems to work fine here. [07:32] crimsun: edgy? [07:32] works for me (tm) too heh , thats what sucks about bugs/bad configs [07:32] says the packet is too long, or something. [07:32] Hobbsee: yes [07:32] crimsun: any updates that havent been done? [07:33] just updated (as in 30 secs ago) [07:34] nothing new. [07:34] crimsun: hmmm okay. did you happen to reboot since last update? [07:34] something to make you lose the connection? [07:34] Hobbsee: yep, two hours ago [07:34] crimsun: hmmm...okay. [07:34] so there may well be another update...hmmm... [07:36] Hobbsee, morning :P [07:36] imbrandon, !! [07:37] hi pygi [07:37] heya pygi === Hobbsee reads up on email. who filed so many bugs? [07:46] hmm. no solution on the forums, with the eth0 bug [07:47] crimsun: do you know of a way to get the current package lists, and update them from another machine or something? like, so i can see what's upgradable? [08:15] Hobbsee: current /installed/ packages or current available packages? === hunger [n=tobias@p54A62831.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kane__ [n=kane@202.83.34.168] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kane__ [n=kane@202.83.35.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:56] crimsun: current installed packages, sorry. [08:56] crimsun: i want to fin dout what's still upgradable, to salvage my machine. [08:56] seeing as the usual dhclient/ifup/ifdown magic isnt seeming to work === kane___ [n=kane@202.83.35.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:00] Hobbsee: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |awk '{ print $2 }' [09:01] crimsun: is that just for current installed packages? i want current installed packages that are upgradable. [09:01] on edgy, where i have no net connection [09:05] Hobbsee: if your available is current, then ``apt-get dist-upgrade'' will show a list [09:05] crimsun: i'm thinking that it isnt, though. [09:06] unless i changed the dapper repos to edgy, updated, and got the sources list or something. hmm. === hunger [n=tobias@p54A63AEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kane__ [n=kane@202.83.32.195] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.96.148] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kane__ [n=kane@202.83.32.195] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kane___ [n=kane@202.83.32.195] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee examines ksensors. what happened here? === raphink examines kmenu. no switch session menu anymore? [09:56] raphink: er, sorry, not on kde 3.5.4 on dapper. [09:56] ah ok [09:56] I was talking about kde 3.5.4 [09:56] I'm on dapper right now [09:56] with kde 3.5.4 on my vt8 [09:56] ah [09:56] i've only downloaded it for edgy [09:57] yes I'm on edgy on my vt8 [09:57] and on dapper on this one [09:58] ah [09:59] :) [10:00] does anyone happen to know the times that ubuntu mirrors are synced? i keep getting sync in progress files on my mirror :) [10:00] seaLne: add gb mirrors :P [10:00] seaLne: hi, btw [10:00] use native mirror [10:00] hi Hobbsee & seaLne :) [10:00] morning [10:01] imbrandon_: so what was the status on your machine, sorry? it's fixed, or almost fixed? [10:01] neither of those actually help me with that problem :P [10:01] seaLne: well...true. [10:02] and having a local mirror in the uni makes much more sense than lots of machines all updating slowly [10:03] i'd agree that most people don't need their own mirror [10:04] true [10:04] seaLne: you actually have enough other people at the uni who use ubuntu? cool. [10:04] raphink: any problems with 3.5.4? [10:04] Riddell: I don't see the switch session menu in the K menu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:05] Riddell: artsd problems - it crashes. [10:05] like it was removed === Hobbsee isnt on it, atm, sorry - they broke eth0 [10:05] Riddell: I've distributed most of the CDs you sent me in a single day :) [10:06] my colleagues asked me tons of CDs [10:06] didn't even have to say I had some [10:06] they came to ask me [10:06] :) [10:06] heh [10:07] at least 5 colleagues already switched their workstation to kubuntu dapper [10:07] and took CDs for their familiy and friends [10:07] :) [10:07] Riddell: i wanna kubuntu cd! *bangs fist on table* :P === raphink hands some kubuntu cds to Hobbsee [10:07] what were they running before? [10:07] hehe, thankyou. [10:08] seaLne: depends... debian sarge, fedora, mandriva, ... [10:08] some had windows, even [10:08] ;) [10:08] few of them, though ;) [10:08] what is your day job? [10:08] linux sysadmin :) [10:08] hehe [10:08] for big web hosting [10:10] ah sounds cool [10:11] quite :) [10:11] I'm cfengine master there :) [10:12] my company uses quite exclusively open-source software [10:12] well... my service that is [10:12] how do you like it? i think i'd use it if we didn't already have lots of scripts that do most of what it would be used for [10:12] I don't like it :p [10:12] I've got a migration plan [10:12] to try and use FAI as much as possible [10:12] including the cfengine scripts inside it [10:13] Hobbsee: almost ready , ufortunately it will be ready aprox the time you goto sleep today ;( but will be up and ready for durring the day my time and tomarrow on [10:13] and trying to remove cfengine as a standalone tool [10:13] FAI uses cfengine :P [10:13] sure seaLne that's what I mean [10:13] imbrandon_: okay, trying to build on it now :P [10:13] using cfengine only inside FAI [10:13] Hobbsee: thats fine [10:13] ah [10:13] and using fai softupdate/fai-updater to update the machines [10:13] imbrandon_: what are you doing on it? [10:13] Hobbsee: thats still the old one your building on, use it as much as you want , i'm building a whole new computer froem parts [10:14] anyway, cfengine in my company is sooooo borked that anything else would be better [10:14] imbrandon_: oh nice :) [10:14] imbrandon_: can it be voyager? /me likes voyager :P [10:14] yeah the updater part of it is sounding nice, didn't really do anything when i was using FAI before we went back to GOLDEN master [10:14] hehe yea thats the plan , it will replace voyager ( and take on the name ) [10:14] seaLne: GOLDEN master?? [10:14] what is that? [10:15] like a golden image but we actually rsync off it [10:15] ... [10:15] a golden image :s === raphink scratch head [10:15] not heard that terminology? [10:16] nope === Hobbsee will build it locally when she gets home. much easier. [10:16] Riddell: little late but no , __me__ personaly haveing 0 issues out of kde354 but i'm on a fresh knot1 install of edgy atm if that makes a diff [10:16] you basically setup one machine and copy it to others [10:16] Hobbsee: what ya workin on ? [10:17] imbrandon_: ksensors merge. [10:17] cool [10:17] seaLne: ah ok, some kind of ghost [10:17] imbrandon_: right now, it's got unrecognisable changes to source, as i tried out vim on it. bad idea. [10:17] heh [10:17] nano *cough* === imbrandon_ could never get used to vi{m} [10:18] imbrandon_: good if nano is enough for you [10:18] but when you get to modify files for real [10:18] nano is like trying to cook with your shoe === Hobbsee likes nano, but got told how to use vim yesterday, so was going to try it out. [10:18] raphink: meet kate :P [10:18] raphink: for basic text editing nano is fine [10:18] Hobbsee: I'm afraid kate wouldn't help me mch in my job [10:18] sshing all the time on X-less machines [10:19] imbrandon_: not for real text editing [10:19] raphink: well, yeah. [10:19] I've been using nano for years [10:19] you could use kate with fish :) [10:19] heh [10:19] and I stopped as soon as I had to do real work in console [10:19] seaLne: i tried one day, off imbrandon_;s machines. not worth it. [10:19] raphink: sure, i've used nano for a LONG time, and had many jobs , infact daily where i only have ssh access [10:19] imbrandon_: if you can't get to get started with vi(m), you can try "vimtutor" [10:20] raphink: i said that wrong i can use vi{m} fine and been through the tutor, infact i used vi long before nano/pico but i prefer nano [10:20] ok [10:20] fine [10:20] :) [10:20] nano + sed == godsend [10:21] ;) [10:21] ah [10:21] Hobbsee: interesting, i use kate quite happily over fish to remote machines (vim seems upset about utf8 sometimes) [10:21] you just have to leave nano, type your sed, go back to nano [10:21] whereas vim can let you :%s@foo@bar@g [10:21] from inside it [10:21] yes that's right seaLne [10:21] bleh, suppose i should stay around for a bit of this ubuntu install. [10:21] heh yea but thats harder to me than using seperate progs === Hobbsee sets it to build. [10:22] yeah i'm more likely to use vim than sed to achieve that :) === raphink learned about sed included in bash yesterday [10:22] like [10:22] echo ${foo/bar/bar2} [10:23] heh [10:23] for example, my hostname is aslan [10:23] $ echo ${HOSTNAME/as/bi} [10:23] bilan [10:23] :) [10:23] nice [10:23] that's VERY useful :) [10:23] yea seems it would be [10:24] there's also [10:24] $ echo ${HOSTNAME#as} [10:24] lan [10:24] removes the #word from the beginning of the template [10:24] and [10:24] $ echo ${HOSTNAME%lan} [10:24] as [10:24] removes from the end of it [10:24] :) [10:24] so if you want an hostname from a fqdn for ex [10:25] :s [10:25] you can go like [10:26] echo ${FQDN%.*} [10:26] :) [10:26] heh [10:26] like FQDN="toto.foo.bar.com" [10:26] $ echo ${FQDN%.*} [10:26] toto [10:27] hmm [10:27] no thats' not it, konvi removes a char [10:27] grrrr [10:27] echo ${FQDN\%\%.*} [10:27] remove the \ [10:27] but I had to put them in konvi [10:27] yea [10:27] for some reason it wouldn't take 2 % in a row [10:27] :) [10:27] anyway that's an awesome feature [10:28] to perform sed replacements within the command [10:28] yea bash is great once you learn it, can do some realy cool stuff [10:29] yes :) [10:29] very powerful [10:29] happy birthday nixternal_bday [10:30] oh great :) [10:30] gah why is kbfx segfaulting [10:30] happy bday nixternal_bday <>< :) [10:30] great [10:30] ...... [10:31] yes there's a pb in kbfx somehow [10:31] dunno why [10:31] I saw it work just fine on other distros [10:32] my the fonts on kde 3.5.4 are horrible === Hobbsee whinges. [10:32] raphink: likely due to edgy? [10:32] wrist hurts :( [10:33] maybe [10:33] pb ? [10:33] ewww kbfx crashed my kicker [10:33] imbrandon: problem [10:33] yea , i'm gonna grab a svn snapshot and try to fix it [10:38] diff -ruN kbfxwork/ kbfx-0.4.9.1+0.4.9.2rc1/ > kbfx.diff [10:38] gah [10:38] yeah [10:38] $ echo ${FQDN#*.} [10:38] foo.bar.com [10:38] $ echo ${FQDN##*.} [10:38] com [10:38] :D [10:38] heh nice [10:39] $ echo ${FQDN%.*} [10:39] toto.foo.bar [10:39] :) === imbrandon puts those in his notebook [10:39] $ echo ${FQDN%.*} [10:39] toto [10:39] :) === raphink thinks he's gonna blog on this :) [10:39] because the section in "man bash" about that is impossible to understand [10:41] right, ksensors done. [10:42] yeah my fonts in edgy look bad to [10:42] :s === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:47] anyone here uses Skim IME ? === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:53] nope [10:53] kane___: freeflying|away uses it [10:53] raphink: yeah ... but he's away :/ [10:55] raphink: i have a problem with SCIM and Kwin ... for some reason, after enabling the use of SCIM/Skim, kwin starts automatically only every alternate KDE startup [10:56] raphink: so far, i have no idea how to debug it ... [10:56] kane___: what's up [10:57] freeflying|away: just want to confirm something ... does kwin work for you properly after using the xinput.d method to enable SCIM ? [10:57] kane___: works well [10:57] damn ... [10:58] freeflying|away: not damning you of course :) [10:58] kane___: :) [10:58] just that I and my 3 machines seem to be alone in this [10:59] freeflying|away: any ideas where to start debugging this ? disabling scim (removing the en_US entry in xinput.d) causes kwin to work properly everytime ... enabling it, causes kwin to startup only every alternate KDE startup [11:00] freeflying|away: if on a particular startup, kwin doesnt start, all I need to do is "end current session" and relogin [11:01] kane___: you wanna use skim/scim under en_US locale? [11:01] freeflying|away: yes, i am using it under the en_US locale [11:02] specifically, en_US.UTF-8 [11:03] kane___: you only need do im-switch -s scim_xim default ( installed im-switch skim scim-pinyin/chewing,etc) [11:04] freeflying|away: no thats not the problem ... [11:04] freeflying|away: see, i created an entry en_US in the xinput.d ... that should automatically enable scim for my locale [11:05] freeflying|away: the problem is that, kwin now refuses to start on every alternate KDE startup [11:05] freeflying|away: disabling scim, allows kwin to start every time [11:05] kane___: do you use kdm? or startx [11:05] freeflying|away: enabling it, causes kwin to start only every alternate KDE startup [11:05] freeflying|away: KDM [11:05] freeflying|away: startx causes kwin to start everytime ... for some reason :/ [11:07] kane___: how about change en_US to all_ALL? [11:07] bye all [11:07] l8tr Hobbsee [11:07] bye Hobbsee [11:08] Hobbsee: bye [11:08] freeflying|away: will im-switch work with all_ALL ? [11:08] time to drive home. [11:08] ciao Hobbsee [11:09] kane___: and link /etc/alternatives/xinput-all_ALL to /etc/X11xinit/xinput.d/scim_xim, and try again === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.92.136] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:15] freeflying|away: ok ill try that [11:16] freeflying|away: when you said change en_US to all_ALL ... do you mean to change the locale to all_ALL ? or the entry in xinput.d ? [11:18] kane___: no, you just created a en_US under xinput.d? [11:18] freeflying|away: yes [11:18] freeflying|away: i created a file /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/en_US [11:19] kane___: then change it to all_ALL, like zh_CN,but link it to scim_xim not scim-pinyin [11:20] freeflying|away: then, i should change LC_ALL=all_ALL ? [11:21] kane___: needn't [11:21] kane___: these settings will let you use scim underr any locales [11:21] freeflying|away: ok, let me try ... i hope the kwin problem goes away [11:22] kane___: you'r the first have such a problem :) [11:22] yeah i know :( [11:24] freeflying|away: now skim doesnt start [11:24] no scim* process === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:27] kane___: replace the content in scim_xim with follwoing [11:27] XIM=SCIM [11:27] if [ -e /usr/bin/skim ] ; then [11:27] XIM_PROGRAM=/usr/bin/skim [11:27] else [11:28] XIM_PROGRAM=/usr/bin/scim [11:28] fi [11:28] XIM_ARGS="-d" [11:28] GTK_IM_MODULE=scim [11:28] QT_IM_MODULE=xim [11:28] DEPENDS="scim,scim-gtk2-immodule | scim-qtimm" [11:31] freeflying|away: ok, restarting machine [11:38] freeflying|away: ok, kwin seems to be starting ... but now, there is a DCOP communications error on every startup ... due to skim [11:39] freeflying|away: (i rebooted machine twice) [11:40] kane___: del the DCOP stuffs under your dir, and re-try :0 [11:41] freeflying|away: i think, it is not that [11:42] freeflying|away: it is probably because the skim is trying to attach to the DCOP server ... but there is no server to attach to [11:42] freeflying|away: ... because xsession runs /usr/bin/skim even before starting xorg ... [11:43] kane___: no, the prority of skim is quite lower, you may try low it anymore ( mk 90im-switch under /etc/X11/Xsession.d) [11:45] freeflying|away: right now, it is 98im-switch [11:45] freeflying|away: so, the higher items are started earlier than lower items in Xsession.d ? === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:46] kane___: maybe you will have extra issues :) [11:46] freeflying|away: 99xorg-common_start is started before 90xorg-common_ssh-agent ? [11:46] freeflying|away: its ok, i remember changing the im-switch from 90 to 98 [11:48] freeflying|away: 99 is started after 90 right ? [11:48] kane___: I think so, but can not confirm it === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:49] freeflying|away: look in Xsession.d ... it looks like 99 is started after 90, not the other way around [11:52] Riddell: where did you upload the kopete package to? [11:52] Riddell: dapper or edgy? [11:52] _Sime: it looks like the dpi patch fails with kde 3.5.4 [11:53] <_Sime> Tonio_: :-/ how? [11:53] _Sime: don't know, but I just upgraded and my fonts are now ridiculously little [11:53] <_Sime> Tonio_: it is probably being run at the wrong (too late) in the login sequence [11:53] _Sime: that's possible === _Sime remembers something about faster logins. [11:54] _Sime: if you need my help concerning the intel gpu, I'll be there toonight [11:54] we can see this in the same time if you want [11:55] <_Sime> Tonio_: what is your email addy? [11:55] tonio@ubuntu.com === hunger__ [n=tobias@p54A62270.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:56] <_Sime> ok, I need to collect some info from your laptop. I'll email everything you need to know. :) === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:56] Tonio_: You did that close-button-on-tab patch? [11:57] Tonio_: How can I turn that off again? It is the most annoying thing I saw in ubuntu so far. [12:00] hunger__: you cannot remove it in kopete [12:00] Tonio_: How about konqueror? [12:00] you can in konqueror but only manually in konquerorrc file [12:00] Tonio_: That is where it annoys me the most. [12:00] it's unclusion may be removed if people don't like it... [12:00] I just added it for tests [12:01] Tonio_: It basically makes it impossible for me to switch tabs with the mouse! [12:01] Tonio_: I do not like it at all. It is the most annoying thing I saw since coming to ubuntu. [12:02] Tonio_: And that it ignores my "no close buttons on tabs" setting is making it even more annoying. === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:02] I can understand [12:02] that's why we will discuss this [12:02] Tonio_: The problem is this: I have many tabs in konqueror. [12:02] the problem is that there is no graphical option to turn it on/off [12:03] Tonio_: So each tab is pretty small, basically the favicon and a letter. [12:03] moguh [12:03] Tonio_: So when I want to switch tabs I almost always end up clicking on the favicon... which turns into a close button and closes the tab. [12:05] Tonio_: all this tab stuff should be configurable in one central place for all apps... [12:05] hunger__: that will be discussed in the next meeting and there are lots of chances that it gets removed if the feedback is negative [12:05] Tonio_: Would make your live easier, too. [12:07] Tonio_: Well, that is the only change I did really notice;-) [12:07] hunger__: I agree on that point [12:08] _Sime: do you have a possible solution for the dpi patch I could test eventually ? [12:09] <_Sime> Tonio_: not now. I need to first upgrade my test machine to edgy, and then look at the new kde login sequence. Riddel may have to patch kde to fix this, IMHO. [12:10] _Sime: okay [12:10] that can wait a bit === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:12] I need to check out my touchpad.... the scroll on the right doesn't seem to work since 3.5.4... [12:12] and katapult still fails here... [12:19] is there still going to be a meeting on monday? === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:14] Can someone please help me overcome my problem? After the last few updates, my xorg server can't seem to find my fonts. [01:14] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/, removing from list! [01:15] omeow: is xfs installed? [01:15] btw, is this edgy? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:16] abattoir: yes to both [01:17] KDE starts just fine. [01:17] do you use xfs? is that neccessary ? [01:17] Certain programs have fonts, but when you hover over it, it goes away. [01:17] I don't know if it's necesarry. [01:17] uniq: i had to install it to upgrade to edgy successfully... [01:17] and if i remember right, omeow had to too [01:17] oh yay, my computer will accept eth0 connections. [01:18] abattoir: i run edgy without xfs, with fonts. [01:18] didn't hack anything to make it work either. [01:18] omeow: gnomefreak had that problem too a few hours ago, the only way he could fix it is remove xorg and x-window-system-core and reinstall them [01:19] seaLne said the font problem might be caused by nvidia drivers. [01:19] imbrandon: I'll try it. [01:19] if the nvidia drivers makes problems, that would explain why it works for me.. as i use the xorg ati driver. [01:19] well that was my problem which had the same symptoms [01:19] uniq: yea i have no problems without xfs either [01:19] what's the problem, sorry? [01:19] no text/fonts [01:20] Hobbsee: omeow got fontproblems with edgy. [01:20] x server updae borking fonts [01:20] omeow: do you get text in an xterm? [01:20] uniq: ah [01:20] thats an xterm not something similar [01:21] Re-installing didn't help. Weird thing is. My input fields in KDM do show some text, but as I start typing my password, it all goes away. [01:21] seaLne: I don't get text in yakuake. (assuming that that's an xterm) [01:22] omeow: xterm is the command 'xterm'.. [01:22] omeow: no true bluse xterm [01:22] blue even [01:23] Yes, I get text in that. [01:23] moin folks [01:23] hi danimo. [01:23] I just re-installed xorg and x-window-system-core. It didn't seem to do the trick. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:24] moins danimo [01:24] hi Hobbsee [01:25] there's nothing like breakfast at 1:30pm :) [01:25] Did it break for you as well, Hobbsee? :) [01:25] Probably not... [01:25] You're always lucky. [01:25] omeow: did you do what i suggested and build xserver-xorg-video-nv? then change to using nv? [01:25] omeow: nope [01:26] hi danimo! === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:26] hi kids [01:26] seaLne: You mean build it from source? [01:26] yes, what i suggested yesterday === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:27] Hobbsee: still short on bandwidth? [01:27] Hm, i'll try it now. But I don't like having to switch drivers. It usually means i'll not be able to use both my screens for testing purposes. =/ [01:27] danimo: yeah. [01:27] damn [01:28] seaLne: was it apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-nv and then apt-get build xserver-xorg-video-nv? [01:28] And how does that solve the problem? [01:28] i used pbuilder to build it [01:28] My problem seems to be that x can't find the location to my fonts. [01:28] the module for nv hasn't been build by the buildds yet [01:28] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/, removing from list! [01:28] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/OTF, removing from list! [01:28] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/CID/, removing from list! [01:28] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/, removing from list! [01:29] So obviously, I need to figure out how to get those installed/symlinked there. [01:29] svn up konversation [01:29] doh [01:29] depending how old your xorg config is things like fonts changing isn't that unusual [01:29] hehe :) [01:30] I'll try generating a new one via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. See what happens then. [01:30] Maybe it'll use new font paths. [01:30] danimo: why? [01:31] imbrandon: how's konversation doing? working? [01:31] Hobbsee: less packages from you I guess [01:31] Hobbsee: trying to fix the ftbs on edgy ( or rather see if its fixed ) [01:31] and doing a new nightly [01:31] Hobbsee: just hurts to see that bandwith limitation is still common practice [01:32] danimo: i uploaded one earlier - i've been out. [01:32] heh she can still ssh into places and build ;) that and its only for hrm 1 more day right ? [01:32] it's for 2 more days [01:32] ahh [01:32] Hobbsee: out? [01:32] danimo: i'll be uploading less soon anyway - uni goes back [01:32] Hobbsee: yeah, end of month approaching [01:32] yes, out. i went to SLUG on friday night, and was at stevenk's, then went and fixed a server by putting ubuntu on it. === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:33] when? uk unis don't go back for nearly 2 months [01:33] Hobbsee: well, uni won't start here for another 2 months [01:33] Fix by re-installing. Nice. [01:33] danimo: nice [01:33] uni starts again on monday [01:33] Hobbsee: well no, means I cannot attend akademy [01:34] yeah akademy seems a very strange time [01:34] danimo: ahh... [01:34] Hobbsee: which is why I demand an extra birthday party :) [01:35] danimo: hehe! [01:35] Hobbsee: let's see what to do on october 14th === uniq har OP i 1 av 13 kanaler og kan delegge dagen for 4 personer... [01:36] uniq: hmmm? [01:36] Ok, so dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't seem to work either... =/ [01:36] Do the TTF fonts come with xorg or are they installed seperately? [01:36] wow, http://dot.kde.org/1003095688/ was from the fifth birthday [01:36] ehm.. sorry.. testing new irssi scripts :) [01:36] Hobbsee: ^^ [01:36] wrong channel and all.. :) [01:36] uniq: ahh :) === Hobbsee saw kde 1 today. [01:37] Hobbsee: you gotta read the announcement, real fun :) [01:37] Riddell: new KDE packages in need of testing? ping me ;) [01:37] Tm_T: yeah, they do. [01:37] thought i did... === omeow grmbls. [01:38] Tm_T: they are in need of testing. That's why I upgraded. But I can't test because I don't have any fonts. =( [01:39] Tm_T: yup , they are in edgy by default or dapper check kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354 [01:39] I'm in dapper now [01:40] deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354 dapper main , it should be i think [01:40] ugh, testing then [01:40] yea just checked it is [01:40] thanks sirs [01:40] imbrandon: Any other idea's as to how to solve my problem. =/ Why am I constantly having problems and you guys never seem to have any. (Or don't ask about it, because you know the answer.) [01:40] *ideas [01:41] no ideas and yes i have my shre of issue, i just either fix them or your not here to see me ask but in all serouisness i dont know why you have so many issues [01:41] errrh, 186 NOT upgrade === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:41] hmm, doesn't sound too good [01:42] oh well, testing anyway =) [01:42] no idea Tm_T heh i dont have dapper installed anymore on any of my machines except the servers and no X there ;( [01:43] i guess i should install dapper on my lappy to test backports [01:43] heh [01:43] hmm, also [01:43] After unpacking 332MB disk space will be freed [01:43] err? what's the big save here [01:43] umm whats it removing [01:43] looks like oo.o [01:43] nothing [01:43] imbrandon: well, ok. :) Can you tell me how to get my TTF fonts back in /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF then? [01:44] nothing remove [01:44] omeow: sudo apt-cache search xfonts [01:44] that's the weird thing, how it can save that much space without removing any [01:44] Tm_T: yea that is strange === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:45] almost like some packages are empty shells :p [01:45] imbrandon: trying to re-install xfonts-base [01:46] It tries to write to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc [01:46] warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory [01:46] If I create the directory for it, it gets removed again when I try to re-install it again. [01:47] gah FTBS === imbrandon kicks pbuilder [01:47] =) [01:47] omeow: sounds, err, interesting [01:48] omeow: welcome to edgy [01:48] imbrandon: :p [01:48] omeow: but serouisly i have no idea man, i just truble shoot from errors === imbrandon is not a big X person [01:48] blegh, I'm fed up at the moment. *poof* === Ignite_ [n=Ignite@ACCE744C.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:50] imbrandon: what's it doing? [01:50] ftb on dapper now, lol , i'm gonna recheck out from svn instead of updating see if that makes a diff [01:50] start with a fresh checkout for both === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:53] imbrandon: ahhh...right. so you're not having trouble with the pbuilder, just konvi. [01:53] ohh yea heh === imbrandon should have kicked konvi [01:53] hehe [01:53] imbrandon: you know what the most annoying thing about working on your machine is? [01:54] It's not yours? [01:55] omeow: nope [01:55] heh whats that Hobbsee ? [01:55] it's the fact that i cant kick it, or do anything at all to it when it doesnt work, because it's on another darn continent. i cant even shut it down in frustration. [01:55] hahahaha [01:55] sudo shutdown -h now ;) [01:55] imbrandon: don't give her physical access i think :) === danimo was about to suggest the same :) [01:56] sudo reboot ;) [01:56] Riddell: no response from upstream concerning kio-locate [01:56] imbrandon: quick, take her off the sude list! :) [01:56] Riddell: I will probably upload with that patch after ufv exception is approved [01:56] sudo even [01:56] Riddell: how is backports coming along? [01:56] sude sounds a much cooler comand :) [01:57] hehe [01:57] danimo: backports? have they unbroken it yet? === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.92.136] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:57] hey Tonio_, were you going to stick your kopete patch in? [01:58] Hobbsee: lots of chances it gets removed since the setting isn't widely appreciated ;) [01:58] feedback is globally negative [01:58] Tonio_: ah, is it? great. i hear negative feedback over the close button on the konqueror tabs - is that the same thing? [01:58] close button on the konqueror tabs is good [01:59] Riddell: I notice that since today the scroll up/down on the right of my touchpad doesn't work anymore... it seems to be linked to kde 3.5.4 since it fails since I upgraded to it... [01:59] seaLne: that needs to be debated in the meeting... [01:59] lots of people don't like it [01:59] Hobbsee: I don't even know why there are no backports at this point [01:59] some do (I do !) [01:59] Hobbsee: what's broken about it? [02:00] Riddell: I'll investigate this on kde bts, because it is a real pain with laptops if that doesn't work === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:00] Hobbsee_: what's broken about it? [02:01] is that not just part of X? [02:01] danimo: they're having trouble with soyuz and it? or they were. the archive people dont know how to use it [02:01] Hobbsee: what [02:01] danimo: no soyuz support atm [02:01] Hobbsee: what's soyuz again? (other than "a fancy launchpad module")? [02:02] its what handels the -bakports buildd's [02:02] on LP [02:02] ic [02:02] fascinating [02:02] sucks, though [02:02] if someone using edgy can confirm alt+space doesn't produce anything anymore... === Hobbsee__ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === danimo desperately waits for backports, beeing enough of a weenie to not migrate to edgy at this point [02:03] katapult is unusable here, although it is correctly configured... [02:03] Hobbsee__: you've got some serious connectivity problem, don't you? :) [02:03] danimo: hehe [02:03] danimo: just dual boot [02:03] danimo: actually, i'm testing out network manager stuff. === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:04] Hobbsee: very cool. does edgy support vpn modules properly nowadays? === danimo still ows Tonio_ a beer for his network manager efforts in dapper [02:04] danimo: ;) [02:04] thanks ;) [02:04] danimo: no idea. ask stevenk in motu [02:04] ok === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:09] hhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyy Hobbsee [02:09] hi toma === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.92.136] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger === apachelogger is now known as apacheLAGger === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:58] Hello [02:58] moin === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:07] anyway, I think I don't install those 3.5.4 packages until I know what's that huge difference [03:08] Tm_T: did you see the changelog? [03:08] nope [03:09] Tm_T: kuroneko [03:09] oops [03:10] =) [03:10] Tm_T: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_3to3_5_4.php [03:10] thanks [03:10] you're precious :) === Tm_T is having slowmotion day [03:10] :) === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:12] hmm, can't see anything that would explain over 300 MB [03:14] oh well, I try =) [03:14] I can always downgrade [03:14] heh [03:15] maybe it's just split packages [03:16] ok, what happened to kdelibs-bin ? [03:16] The following packages will be REMOVED: kdelibs-bin [03:16] Tm_T: now a part of kdelibs4c2a [03:17] ok, then I go ahad [03:17] ahead [03:17] thanks :) [03:17] Riddell: ping [03:18] Hobbsee, ;) [03:19] hey pygi :) === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-199-240.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:31] meh, KDE4 is fun === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.32.195] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:06] Hobbsee: Whats the state of the backports? [04:06] toma: ask crimsun or jdong. they certainly werent working, not sure about now [04:07] k [04:09] mooooh [04:09] KDE 3.5.4 is missing "language-pack-kde-engb" [04:10] no, I will not use KDE with yankee-english === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:18] :) === Philip5 [n=Philip@c83-253-44-139.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:19] hmm, I'm bit excited, haven't been using packaged kwin for a long time [04:19] used to compile it myself === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:20] toma: I may require your help once again.... [04:20] I'm trying to patch kicker to get the "normal" height to 48 instead of 46 pix.... [04:20] here is the patch : [04:21] Tonio_: why you need 2px more? [04:21] Tm_T: icons on two rows [04:21] aah! [04:21] Tonio_: then, I can look at it === Tm_T has some experience with kicker [04:22] Tm_T: to get the systray on 2 lines by default [04:22] Tm_T: do you know a working pastebin like ? [04:22] pastebin.com is quite dead at the moment [04:22] pastebin.ca should work [04:22] .com is stuck [04:23] http://pastebin.ca/105117 [04:23] here it is.... should be okay, but doesn't work for some reason I don't understand [04:23] I hope you'll find what I miss [04:23] what's the status of the libqt4 packages? [04:23] I cannot upgrade them in edgy === danimo just upgraded to edgy on his workstation [04:23] remotely! [04:23] :) [04:24] Tonio_: hmm [04:24] danimo: I heard there's some problems with qt4 [04:24] did anyone try kerry btw? [04:25] what's that [04:25] the kde beagle frontend [04:25] I don't see what else can define the kicker's size appart from those settings [04:25] shipped by suse, also in the kubuntu repo [04:25] might make sense as a default in edgy [04:25] depending on wether they ship with beagle [04:26] Tonio_: libkicker/global.cpp maybe? [04:26] toma: look at my patch, I already patched there [04:26] ah, ok [04:27] this is the problem, everything is set to 48 but it doesn't work... [04:27] "normal" size is still 46 [04:28] ah, waht's k-d-s say? [04:44] Tonio_: did you check .kde/share/config? === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee__ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:55] danimo: beagle in main now? [04:55] freeflying|away: no idea [04:55] does anyone know? [04:56] !info beagle [04:56] beagle: indexing and search tool for your personal data. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.2.6-1ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 1208 kB, installed size 3992 kB [04:56] !info beagle edgy [04:56] beagle: indexing and search tool for your personal data. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.2.7-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1220 kB, installed size 4072 kB [04:56] universe. [04:56] heh, then kerry can not be ship in edgy's cd [04:56] !info digikam edgy [04:56] digikam: digital photo management application for KDE. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2~rc1-0ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 4073 kB, installed size 9708 kB [04:57] last.fm support in amarok <3 :) [04:58] digikam need be in main [04:59] why? [04:59] in system settings , keyboard shortcuts is hidden away in "Regional and Accessibility". This is probably better off under "keyboard" [05:00] toma: nowdays,many people has a camera, so digikam will be useful for them [05:00] right [05:01] is that the selection method for main? === Hobbsee__ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:02] it's in universe, we'd file a MainInclusionReport for it, and poke pitti or orthers review it [05:03] !info knetworkmanager edgy [05:03] knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.1~svn-r533312-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 263 kB, installed size 1412 kB [05:03] nice === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:06] freeflying|away: is there an example for such a report? [05:07] toma: yeah. dont remember where though [05:07] ill dig === aliasfred [n=fred@73.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:07] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportAdept?highlight=%28report%29%7C%28inclusion%29%7C%28main%29 [05:08] robotgeek: thanks [05:08] :) [05:08] !info kpowersave [05:08] kpowersave: frontend to powersave for setting user specific policies. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-1ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 3199 kB, installed size 4924 kB === ubuntu-cn [n=drivel@218.28.177.254] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:09] hmm, how is work on that coming up? [05:10] robotgeek: non existant from ubuntu side, unless lure's touching it. and he was really busy [05:11] okay, my power works fine though. i am really happpy with linux on my ibook :) [05:11] this main inclusion report is done manually or is it a bot reporting ? [05:11] aliasfred: its done manually, mostly after a meeting or so [05:11] ok thanks [05:12] robotgeek: have you trid edgy on your ibook? [05:12] ibook? [05:13] freeflying|away: not yet, i am waiting for my external usb to come around so that i can install edgy on that [05:14] robotgeek: yaboot can boot it from usb media? [05:14] freeflying|away: hmm, never really thought of that one. i did it using grub [05:14] not on my ibook, but one my friends dellls [05:15] robotgeek: hmmm === robotgeek googles [05:16] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-84131.html [05:16] sorry, wrong link [05:17] should be able to, i will document wht i do :) [05:17] robotgeek: grub on ibook? :) [05:17] freeflying|away, is there any method could let my laptop boot from usb? === claydoh [n=clay@66-252-37-169.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:18] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80811 ubuntu-cn [05:18] ubuntu-cn: grub can do it [05:18] should work for dapper too [05:19] grub can run on ibook? === _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [05:19] ubuntu-cn: no, i think yaboot should be albe to handle it too [05:20] what a pitty [05:20] ubuntu-cn: why so? [05:22] Tonio_: got it? [05:22] robotgeek,because i think grub is all-purpose before [05:22] might acutally be supported, man 5 yaboot.conf shows sda stuff :) === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-021-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:35] hi guys, i have a problem when building a deb package with dpkg-buildpackage and everthing starts fine, gets configed but when dpkg-parsechangelog is to run the debian/changelog have been been deleted somehow... anyone know if there is a comman problem that makes this behaviour? [05:37] Philip5: No, it's not. Make sure there isn't a rogue rm somewhere [05:38] in debian/rules [05:40] bddebian: doesn't look like it... more like it gets generated in like that in make.in [05:40] Tm_T: got what ? [05:41] toma: no I didn't check this since the parameters are in kickers code... [05:41] I probably miss something in it, but I don't think that can be configured [05:41] Tonio_: size of kicker can be set [05:41] what can be configured is the manual value [05:41] no, you can choose the size [05:41] toma: yes I know, but that will define "personal" value [05:42] not "small", "normal", "medium" [05:42] that has to be patched in kdebase [05:42] but I'm certainly miss something in the code [05:42] no ? [05:42] nad the size is not stored? [05:43] Philip5: The debian/changelog file gets generated in makefile.in? [05:44] toma: CustomSize=48 [05:44] that is the setting in kickerrc [05:44] but that's for "personnal" value [05:44] that is the slider for personal [05:44] the idea is to hardcode the setting for the "normal" size [05:44] OK sorry, gotta run [05:44] and where is the size of the kicker stored? [05:44] and since the code is visible in kicker source, I don't understand why it doesn't work [05:44] toma: look at the patch I've done [05:44] http://pastebin.ca/105117 [05:45] here it is [05:45] Tonio_: in the settings of kicker i can choose small/medium/large. [05:45] I think the principle is good, but I may miss something [05:45] and personal [05:45] yes and look at my patch [05:45] you'll see where are the settings for small, medium, large stored [05:45] they are hardcoded [05:46] yes, but where are they stored? [05:46] the value you have selected is stored in kickerrc [05:46] but the size of that value is hardcoded [05:46] for example [05:48] bddebian: no but there is a rm for the changelog there [05:48] Tonio_: i doubt it stores 'medium/large', it will store the actual size, but i don't see where [05:48] toma: size=2, size=3 etc.... [05:48] here is the setting [05:48] size=1 is small [05:48] size=3 is medium [05:49] from 1 to 5 [05:49] and the corresponding value is in kicker's code [05:49] the point is my patch should work... [05:49] I don't see what is wrong with it... [05:49] I will try on a new profile, maybe I have something in mine causing an issue... [05:53] hi,guys.how much time must i to wait before i can post on ubuntu forum? === hunger [n=tobias@p54A64732.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:55] raphink: ton patch kdebase pour virer la corbeille de l'applet system ne marche plus [05:55] il faudra le refaire, car ca a l'air de merder sous kde 3.5.4 [05:55] je m'en occuperai si tu veux vu que j'ai ce putain de patch a faire [05:56] argh [05:56] ok merci === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-206-119.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubuntu-cn is now known as driveler === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-207-79.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === driveler is now known as gg === gg [n=drivel@218.28.177.254] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Huahua [n=hua_@123.49.239.49] has joined #kubuntu-devel === erov [n=j@c-69-247-101-157.hsd1.ms.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:35] anyone having trouble upgrading from the 4:3.5.3-0ubuntu0.1 to 0.2 from http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353 repository? [06:36] kdelibs-data [06:42] nah [06:43] and I upgraded to .4 already [06:43] still compiling kdepim so haven't tested it yet [06:44] ok [06:45] erov: so, no problems noticed [06:46] it tries to when I upgrade .. and this is where the original package came from [06:47] i have installed things like kopete manually (compiling) but used J. Riddell's rss announcement as a link to get the 3.5.3 .. now adept shows it's updgradeable but has errors when trying to upgrade [06:47] what's the exact error [06:48] Commit might break packages [06:48] hmm, adept? [06:49] yeah [06:49] im doing cl right now [06:49] I'd like to see what apt-get says === Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:49] doing now [06:50] Riddell: ping [06:50] I think sir is in entertainment mood [06:50] that means, drunk [06:50] ;) [06:51] Riddell: are you interested in a one line fix that makes the "Search" label font size actually match the "Show All" font in system-settings? [06:53] oh my.. it is ktorrent 2 beta i think that's messing with it [06:53] heh [06:53] apt-get <3 [06:53] because its part of k-networks === claydoh [n=clay@66-252-37-169.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:02] men gott! [07:02] that upgrade messed up my desktop [07:02] not fun [07:03] Sime: sure [07:04] that should be handled differently [07:04] I mean, my kwin settings has pulled down to defaults [07:06] worse, not followed === apacheLAGger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:07] I mean titlebar buttons [07:09] yup, kwin doesn't follow xustom titlebar button settings [07:09] custom even [07:12] lets see if kwin from svn behaves better [07:12] nope === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger [07:14] this is weird, most of kwin settings just effect nothing [07:14] I can choose windeco but I can't configure it [07:21] ok, so it's not kwin issue, something else is what I should blame [07:24] can anyone confirm this? [07:32] what about CNN.com crashing konqueror now [07:33] argh nm === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel === erov [n=j@c-69-247-101-157.hsd1.ms.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["."] === Ignite_ [n=Ignite@AC8F3285.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ZuZuu [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-8-226.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-183-97.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-183-97.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === claydoh [n=clay@66-252-35-250.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _claydoh [n=clay@66-252-38-120.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ZuZuu [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-18-102.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:14] tvo: ping [10:16] Sime: pong [10:17] tvo: Hi, google tells me that you did some work last in kio reguarding UDS_HIDDEN? [10:17] yeah [10:17] I needed that for a certain feature of kio locate [10:17] did you do anything else with that? (like supporting OS X style ".hidden" files?) [10:18] no, I didn't use it anywhere else [10:19] but files prefixed with '.' are hidden anyway (by the return value of SomeClass::IsHidden(), or whatever it was called) [10:19] (I'd have to look up exact function/class names) [10:19] ok, I was just wondering. I've been thinking about how to simplify file management in kde, without having to use fake io slaves like system:/ etc. [10:19] I've been looking for a way to hide /usr, /etc, /dev etc from the user in konq. [10:21] http://www.westwind.com/reference/OS-X/invisibles.html#hidden [10:21] ah [10:22] I would like to have clean "/" in konq, that still works in bash etc. [10:22] is file:/ protocol implemented by a kio slave in konqueror? [10:22] URLs in io slaves like media:/ and system:/ don't work in the shell. [10:23] file:/, yeah I would hope so. I guess so. [10:23] either way, it is hackable. :) [10:23] because in that case you could patch it to add a filter which sets UDS_HIDDEN for certain files [10:23] yeah true [10:23] yes, that is what I was thinking of doing. [10:23] actually the gnome file manager supports .hidden files. [10:23] oddly enough [10:24] konqueror did (does) that too afaik [10:24] well, it didn't do that today when I tested it. [10:24] hm, the View->Show/Hide hidden files switch didn't work? [10:26] nope, only works for file named .* [10:27] oh wait, I misunderstood you [10:27] you mean a .hidden file in a dir which hides a dir? [10:27] *the dir [10:27] in that case it indeed doesn't support it [10:27] afaik [10:28] yes, a file called ".hidden" which contains a list of files/dirs to hide. This is what OS X does. [10:31] aha, a ~/.hidden ? or a .hidden in a dir which hides files/dirs inside that dir? [10:31] the second one. [10:31] ok [10:32] well, I guess my original patch could be a good starting point (regarding which files to modify etc.) [10:33] yeah, I might give it a good tonight. [10:34] BTW, you're Dutch. I don't think I've ever seen you on the kde-nl mailing list, or at any of the KDE-NL events. [10:35] are you doing much with KDE these days? (or purely kubuntu?) [10:35] not much for both of them.. [10:36] I'm one of the core devs of TA Spring now [10:36] an open source realtime strategy game, bit based on Total Annihilation [10:36] still do katapult tho [10:37] ok, oh, that's cool. [10:37] I'm really motivated for quite some time already to bring proper gaming experience to linux ;) [10:37] but it's very much work === _claydoh [n=clay@66-252-37-14.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:39] linux needs more games. I've been playing a lot with wine this year trying out running games on it. [10:39] this one's gonna rock once we got several things sorted out :P [10:39] the game situation is improving on linux. it is taking a quite though. [10:41] I was going to ask you to come along to the tradionaly KDE-NL summer BBQ next month. :-D [10:43] would be cool, if I'm still welcome with my small amount of KDE(katapult) dev time per month :) [10:45] freeflying|away: i still have the problem with skim/kwin ... i.e., either i have the kwin problem, or I have the dcop problem (skim starting too early) [10:45] freeflying|away: i'd like to know ... what setup are you using on your machine ? [10:45] tvo: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-i18n-nl&m=115378042607485&w=2 [10:51] Sime: thx (indeed I'm not subscribed to KDE-NL (yet)) [10:52] tvo: there is also #kde-nl [10:52] Sime: hm I could idle there too, there's #kubuntu-nl too btw, but it's really quiet... [10:52] tvo: I didn't know that. [10:53] tvo: Rinse on #kde-nl is the BBQ ring-leader. :) [10:55] Sime: yeah, I deduced that already, he's in #kubuntu-nl too [10:56] tvo: is he just....... I didn't know that he had changed over from suse (IIRC). === Ignite_ [n=Ignite@AC8E2F59.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel