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gnomefreakis there a known issue with fonts?12:22
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pygisivang, poke12:52
pygisorry to bug at this time, but I need you12:52
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gnomefreakwhat is the meta package for Xfonts?01:10
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decryptSeveas kontaktgestoort zeker? Problemen thuis of zo? En ik de dupe. Nou je bent een schande voor de community01:18
decryptSeveas ik weet ook wel dat je weet dat je dom reageerd. Maar helemaal zielig dat je het dan ook niet durft toe te geven.01:19
Seveasdecrypt, stop right here. this channel is not for escalating problems from #ubuntu or other channels. If you want to discuss, calm down and come to #ubuntu-ops01:20
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bddebianHeya01:27
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^ohoeldoes metacity in edgy come with compositor support?01:53
^ohoelsorry, wrong channel and bad question01:54
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bluefoxicySeveas: You do know that went right over my head, right?02:38
Seveasbluefoxicy, ?02:39
bluefoxicySeveas:  <user> @!*# @$*^  some language I don't get !@@^* @^ <Seveas> *says something in english*02:39
Seveasbluefoxicy, ah -- that person was just swearing02:40
Seveaspeople tend to think they can be abusive in here after being thrown out of another ubuntu channel for that reason02:40
bluefoxicyAh.   It's amusing though, watching a conversation occur in two different languages is extremely disorienting.02:40
bluefoxicySeveas:  Is it ever too early to open a new spec that builds on an old one?  :)02:41
Seveasyou can always start a spec 02:42
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bluefoxicySeveas:  I'm still working on one that attempts to describe a method for using pitti's AutomatedProblemReports to categorize and tag problems in ways that bring more attention to likely security vulnerabilities; but it feels a little premature because I really have no idea what pitti's stuff is going to do besides collect data and cram it somewhere probably at launchpad02:43
bluefoxicyFor all I know he could have figured this all out ages ago ;)02:44
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desrtanyone played with edgy xen yet?04:43
crimsundesrt: zul.04:46
desrtzul?04:46
desrtoh.  zul.04:46
desrtzul; 'sup?04:46
bddebianHeya crimsun04:47
crimsunheya.04:47
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zuldesrt: hey04:52
desrtzul; xen me up, baby04:53
desrthow's it working?04:53
zulone or two issues that im working with but its cool..04:53
zulwait for the upload for monday04:53
desrtis it in the stock edgy kernel yet or do you have to install a -xen kernel?04:53
zulits not in the stock edgy kernel there is a kernel in universe that needs to be rebuilt because of a ftbfs but i have the kernel-image if you want it04:54
desrti can wait for monday :)04:54
zulok04:54
desrtthanks for the info.04:54
zulno probs04:55
desrtzul; one more question.  2.x or 3.x?05:02
zul305:04
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bluefoxicyI love how I'll make a Wiki page, rabidly edit it, fill up my mail box05:08
bluefoxicyand there's like 6 more devs that get e-mailed everything05:08
bluefoxicyI am waiting for the day I get a bunch of e-mails entailing people being pissed at me and something about full inboxes.05:08
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nictukul05:14
bddebianm05:15
bddebianI thought XbuildX versions got synced automagically?05:21
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bluefoxicybig comment at the end.07:11
bluefoxicyaww.07:13
bluefoxicyMy comment didn't dwarf the rest of the content of that page07:13
bluefoxicyI'm losing my edge.07:13
Hobbseehi all.  who broke dhclient07:14
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bluefoxicyHobbsee:  wasn't me.  I appear to have sat on somebody's glasses though.07:14
Hobbseebluefoxicy: ah.  great.07:15
Hobbseesomeone broked my eth0 :(07:15
desrtdrinking from the firehose?07:16
imbrandon_moins Hobbsee, i've almost got a a new box finished up, adding some hardware and such tonight ( bout the only time i've had to work on it the laste few days )07:16
Hobbseeimbrandon_: yay!!!07:17
Hobbseedesrt: a spec, to do with bug tracking.07:17
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desrtah.07:17
desrteach bug is a drop of water07:17
desrtmalone is becoming a firehose07:18
desrtgot it07:18
Hobbseeyeah, there are about that many of them...07:18
Hobbsee:P07:18
bluefoxicydesert yeah.  I've been working on some stuff and I saw it and was like 'You know you could probably...'07:30
bluefoxicythe best part of that comment is "encouraging users to not report crashes may be an option"07:32
bluefoxicyahh screw it07:54
bluefoxicyI'll continue butchering pitti's stuff by spawning loads of excessive specifications on top of his barely started specifications XD07:55
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bluefoxicymemory is what the hell?  I find that hard to believe.  *checks top*08:18
bluefoxicyMem:    970916k total,   924908k used,    46008k free,    15472k buffers08:18
bluefoxicySwap:  4208944k total,    19148k used,  4189796k free,   362060k cached08:18
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bluefoxicygnome's multi-load applet says memory is "100% in use by programs, 0% in use by cache"08:18
bluefoxicydoes 362/970 look like 0%?08:18
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bluefoxicy(I know what the problem is...)08:19
bluefoxicyFixed.08:19
bluefoxicyThe applet was 1 pixel high.  I jiggered with it, it fixed itself.  wHy the hell is it basing its calculations on its visual display instead of data from the system08:20
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bluefoxicyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedProblemReportsTagging is a horrid, ugly brain dump.08:54
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Burgundaviabluefoxicy: john moser tends to write like that08:56
bluefoxicyBurgundavia:  I just wrote that out, AutomatedProblemReportsTaggingForSecurity was a bit cleaner before I started but I'm trying to abstract parts of the spec into other specs to avoid diluting the different bits.08:57
bluefoxicyI'm working on cleaning them all up.08:58
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bluefoxicyok, I am going to sleep09:29
bluefoxicyThat stuff looks relatively clean.09:29
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HiddenWolfYagisan, please turn of the away-script in this channel, thank you.10:38
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YagisanHiddenWolf, thanks I've already been chatised for trying a new client. It should be stopped now10:39
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hunger__What can I do to debug "Command failed" when running update-initramfs -u12:10
infinityhunger__: sh -x /usr/sbin/update-initramfs -u12:15
hunger__infinity: Thanks.12:16
hunger__infinity: Just wrote a bugreport about initramfs (#54423). It does include that output now.12:17
infinityErm, that's curious...12:19
infinityWhat the heck is giving you that "Command failed" output?12:21
infinityIs that from your shell?12:21
hunger__infinity: I am in a root shell and enter "update-initramfs -u"12:21
infinityCause it sure doesn't come from either mkinitramfs or update-initramfs.12:21
hunger__infinity: I do see that during upgrades sometimes, too.12:21
StevenKinfinity: It looked to come from mkinitramfs to me.12:22
infinityStevenK: it doesn't.12:22
hunger__infinity: return code of update-initramfs is 0 by the way, maybe that helps?12:22
infinity(Unless it's coming from some random hook script from some package or other I don't have installed)12:22
StevenKCould it be a dash thing?12:22
infinityhunger__: It will always be 0 if mkinitramfs exited 0, so that's not so helpful.12:23
infinityStevenK: My /bin/sh appears to be dash here..12:23
StevenKinfinity: As in 'Command failed' is coming from dash12:24
hunger__infinity: so is mine.12:24
infinityStevenK: Oh, possibly, but I wouldn't expect dash to be that verbose.12:24
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infinity(base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ dash12:24
infinity$ false12:24
infinity$ 12:24
infinityNah.  Not verbose at all.12:24
StevenKWell, Herbert has certainly left his mark on dash.12:24
StevenKinfinity: It might be a bashism in mkinitramfs12:24
StevenKHowever, I suspect they have probably been shaken out already.12:25
hunger__infinity: Where are those hook scripts?12:25
infinityStevenK: Again, not likely, since I'm running dash here too.  And it was always written with dash in mind anyway.12:25
infinity(Since half of it has to be able to run in dash in the initrd)12:25
StevenKHow about we just get hunger__ to run mkinitramfs with -x?12:25
infinityhunger__: /usr/share/initramfs-tools12:25
infinityStevenK: Yeah, that was my next call.12:26
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hunger__infinity: I got cryptroot, evms, kernelextras, lvm, md, thermal, udev and usplash in /u/s/irf-t/hooks.12:26
infinityhunger__: mkinitramfs -o /tmp/junk.img 2.6.17-5-68612:26
infinityErr, with a "sh -x /usr/sbin/" on the front of that. :)12:27
hunger__infinity: Command failed.12:27
hunger__infinity: lots of output, last line "Command failed"12:28
StevenKSecond last line?12:28
hunger__initlist= cryptroot evms kernelextras lvm md thermal udev usplash12:28
hunger__then12:28
hunger__+ set - cryptroot evms kernelextras lvm md thermal udev usplash12:28
hunger__then Command failed.12:28
infinityRight, add a "set -x" somewhere to the top of /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot12:29
infinityAnd then try again.12:29
infinityAnd if that's the one bombing, reassign the bug, I don't ship that script. :)12:30
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hunger__infinity: "Command failed" happens right after "+ dmsetup info -c --noheadings -j 8 -m 4"12:30
hunger__infinity: So this is not your bug I think:-)12:30
infinity\o/12:30
infinityAdd that info to the bug report, and reassign like the wind.12:31
hunger__infinity: reassign to?12:31
infinitydpkg -S /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot12:31
infinityWhatever paqckage that spits out. :)12:31
infinitypackage, too.12:31
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ajmitchStevenK: what have they done now?12:33
StevenKThe afl.com.au website is breaking.12:33
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ajmitchright, so nothing important12:34
StevenKWell no, since I'm listening to the streaming audio call.12:34
hunger__Is it save to just delete scripts I do not need from the hook dir?12:35
StevenKhunger__: You could remove the package in question.12:36
StevenKDepends if anything depends on it.12:36
StevenKOh geez, that sentence makes sense.12:37
hunger__StevenK: I do need that package or I would not have it installed:-)12:37
hunger__I have crypted volumes, but by / is not encrypted.12:37
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StevenKAh. I think that script only deals with a encrypted rootfs, so you probably could delete it.12:37
StevenKhunger__: Which package is to blame, by the way?12:38
hunger__cryptsetup12:38
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hunger__s/them/themselves/12:39
hunger__I love that almost as much as -doc debs depending on the executable:-(12:40
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jonohey01:28
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tsengheya jono 01:39
jonohey tseng01:42
TheMusoc01:43
imbrandonmoins TheMuso01:45
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TheMusoHey imbrandon.01:45
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cypher1can i program an application and submit to ubuntu ?02:55
Zdracypher1: if you make a package you can upload it for review on ubuntu-motu02:56
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bddebianHello02:58
cypher1Zdra, it is not a package..if someone writes a program which he thinks is useful, can he submit to ubuntu..or should he do it to sourceforge or somewhere else similar ?02:59
cypher1hi bddebian 03:00
zulwell i would write the program put it somewhere and then package it and then upload to revu03:00
Hobbseeso sourceforge, yeah03:00
bddebianHello cypher1, zul03:02
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PupenoHello.04:11
Pupenois it possible to compile linux-source-2.6.17_2.6.17-5.16 only for my architecture instead of for all of them ?04:11
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lucashow can I force a package to include a TOC on the ubuntu wiki ?04:33
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wasabiand the zeroconf thread continues.04:57
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bddebianwasabi: Continues?  It never ends :-)05:03
Treenaksit's like Debian's duelling banjos05:03
Treenaksit never stops05:03
wasabiNo new points have been raised in over 2 weeks on this thread.05:03
wasabiBut I think, since nobody reads all 2 weeks worth of content before posting, they keep going over the same thing in circles.05:03
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mdzI stopped reading it on the first day05:23
Hobbseemdz: kill the remains of suspend2 while your'e at it?  although it looks like that has almost died.05:24
bluefoxicymdz:  now that I read it, the spec says it'll be disabled by default and enabled by user action... isn't everyone bitching because they don't want it enabled by default?05:26
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mjg59Lots of people want it enabled by default05:27
mdzI stopped reading it on the first day05:27
mdzwe took a decision on this about a year ago05:27
bluefoxicymjg59:  ah so instead of "OMFG DON'T TURN IT ON BY DEFAULT *HOLYWAR*" you're getting "OMFG BUT I'M TOO LAZY TO CLICK A BUTTON *HOLYWAR*"?05:27
shackando macs enable it by default or not ?05:28
slomo_shackan: they do05:29
bluefoxicyAlso there should be a "Not a single remote hole in the default installation in 2 years" notice on the front page to mock OpenBSD </OBSD troll>05:29
mjg59Can we please not have this discussion here?05:29
shackanthen why shouldn't you? well, ok, this discussion doesn't belong here05:29
mjg59The technical details are well understood, it's a policy decision05:29
bluefoxicyshackan:  open by default means a default permit policy for incoming connections or something like that (magical network setup behind the scenes); and also violates the "no ports open by default" policy05:30
mjg59bluefoxicy: Ssh05:30
bluefoxicymjg59:  into what?  :)05:31
angasulehello, as can be seen in: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=55173&   joystick support is close to non-existent, in my case, after plugging an analog joystick to the soundcard gameport, I had to mknod and modprobe to get it to work, the GUI only said it couldn't find a joystick device (and gave no help on how to set it up), I'm using kubuntu, but this is an ubuntu magic issue, so it shouldn't matter, I guess05:31
madduckHobbsee: suspend2 has not died, it's just experiencing name and maintainer change05:31
mjg59madduck: Not really05:31
mjg59madduck: We're talking about the irritating thread on ubuntu-devel05:31
mjg59/That/ seems to have died05:31
bluefoxicyheh05:31
madduckah, okay. want me to revive it? :)05:31
mjg59madduck: Want me to brutally murder you? :)05:32
madduckmjg59: that could be fun. :)05:32
madduckmjg59: will you be at the party?05:32
bluefoxicymurder-death-kill05:32
mjg59madduck: Ought to be05:32
madducksweet.05:32
mjg59angasule: Can you file a bug about that, please?05:32
bddebianHey, I want to go to the kill madduck party! :-)05:32
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madduckbddebian: sorry, only VIPs. :)05:33
Hobbseeheh05:33
bddebianheh05:33
mjg59angasule: The issue is likely to be over how information about joystick ports is actually exposed to the OS05:33
bluefoxicyif there's ever a party in baltimore somebody call me05:33
bddebianOh man there is such a wide opening for a joke in that statement05:33
madduckbddebian: it's not the killing party, but http://wiki.earth.li/DebianParty200605:33
bluefoxicybddebian:  this is a family oriented channel, or something.  Despite how many times Keybuk can say 'fuck' in under an hour when something goes wrong.  :)05:34
angasulewhat is the ubuntu bugzilla? bugzilla.ubuntu.com requests a password and recommends going to bugzilla.ubuntu.com ...05:34
Philip5hi guys, i have a problem when building a deb package with dpkg-buildpackage and everthing starts fine, gets configed but when dpkg-parsechangelog is to run the debian/changelog have been been deleted somehow... anyone know if there is a comman problem that makes this behaviour?05:34
mjg59angasule: launchpad.net05:34
bddebianmadduck: Oh, cool05:34
mjg59angasule: And then if you could let me know the bug number05:34
bluefoxicyI should spec that now.  A counter in the bottom right of the status bar in xchat-gnome05:34
angasulemjg59: analog joystick on soundcard gameport is too simple, even if the magic can't detect it, there should be an automatic script to enable it on user command05:35
bluefoxicyto tally the amount of foul language developers spout off.05:35
mjg59angasule: It would be preferable to just make it work all the time05:35
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angasuleyes, of course05:35
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mjg59madduck: I can't find my wiki password, and the reminder mail thing is broken05:35
bluefoxicymjg59:  this is an issue of "can hal see it"05:35
bluefoxicyI think.  You know what I have nfc.05:36
madduckmjg59: will add you then?05:36
mjg59bluefoxicy: ISA cards provide the information via isapnp05:36
mjg59madduck: Sure05:36
mjg59bluefoxicy: The issue is PCI cards with legacy gameport hardware05:36
angasulealso, I have a USB HID-compliant joystick which I'll connect in a week or two when i get the time, those two should cover a lot of ground (although I'm guessing the USB one will work without much trouble)05:36
mjg59angasule: Yeah, USB should just work05:37
Treenaksmjg59: it does for me (2 logitech pads, one with "feedback")05:37
slomo_mdz: are you fine with updating evolution-sharp to a cvs snapshot that works with our latest evolution-data server? (compatibility for this was the only change)05:37
mjg59It might well just be a matter of adding the PCI IDs of all the appropriate soundcards to the ns558 driver05:37
angasulealso, qjoypad or a similar utility is a *must*, since hats have a tendency to be detected as axes, I don't know why05:37
mdzslomo_: yep05:37
slomo_mdz: thanks05:38
mjg59angasule: Or we could try to fix that bug05:38
mjg59(to the extent possible)05:38
angasulemjg59: well, qjoypad does a lot more than just provide a workaround for that05:39
mjg59Then it's somewhat less of a must05:42
angasule52257 and 17245 are related bugs, I'll post a bug now (I was checking existing bugs)05:42
mjg59Hang on, just let me check those ones05:43
mjg59Ok, file a new one05:43
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bluefoxicySlapping the user with a dialog vs. pulsing an icon in the Notification Area05:48
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bluefoxicya dialog is annoying and invasive; but an active icon in the notification area may draw excess CPU?05:48
bluefoxicyI dunno.05:48
dokomdz: openoffice.org-experimental in edgy, it even installs and starts05:49
angasulemjg59: bug 54458  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/5445805:50
UbugtuMalone bug 54458 in Ubuntu "Analog joystick on soundcard gameport not detected" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5445805:50
UbugtuMalone bug 54458 in Ubuntu "Analog joystick on soundcard gameport not detected" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  05:50
bluefoxicydoko:  what is -experimental?05:51
mdzdoko: neat05:51
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bluefoxicyhi pitti05:51
pittihi05:51
mjg59angasule: Thanks05:52
mjg59angasule: What sort of gameport do you have? Is it part of your soundcard?05:52
dokobluefoxicy: native build05:53
angasuleyes05:53
bluefoxicypitti:  I was bored from 2am-4am last night, did you see I forked a bazillion specs out of the automated-problem-reports spec?05:53
bluefoxicydoko:  so amd64?05:53
angasuleit's the old kind, that uses a couple of 100k ohm resistors and such05:53
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mjg59angasule: Right. But is it part of your soundcard?05:54
angasuleyes, it's part of my soundcard05:54
mjg59What sort of soundcard?05:54
angasuleit's a Sound Blaster Live (I mentioned it in the report)05:54
mjg59Ok05:54
mjg59Does the emu10k1-gp driver get loaded?05:54
angasulenot sure exactly /which/ SB Live, I could find out, if it's important05:54
bluefoxicypitti:  there's one to describe the feedback mechanism ("if it detects a crash report it can read, it creates a notification which points to the file and asks to file a bug." <-- describe this); one on tagging and searching to find similar (likely the same bug) crashes; and one (which may become mainly informational) on using the tagging and sorting to locate likely security bugs05:55
angasulemjg59: lsmod says: emu10k1_gp              4224  005:56
angasulemjg59: I currently have the joystick modules loaded, should I remove the script, reboot, and give you clean data?05:56
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mjg59angasule: Ok. Is the ns558 module loaded?05:57
angasulemjg59: no05:57
mjg59angasule: Ok05:57
bluefoxicyok I'm going to go take a shower.05:57
mjg59How do I add another package to a bug in launchpad?06:02
zul_no idea06:04
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bluefoxicyIs anyone else having gksu problems?06:15
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AlinuxOSmjg59, ping.06:44
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mjg59AlinuxOS: Hi06:45
AlinuxOSmjg59, I would like to ask you if you have some time to package BPG's new fonts.06:46
mjg59AlinuxOS: It's done06:46
mjg59Just needs to be synced from Debian06:46
AlinuxOSmjg59, I've created georgian users suitable fonts.conf file.06:47
mjg59AlinuxOS: Yeah, I've included that06:47
AlinuxOSmjg59, :) heh great.06:48
AlinuxOSmjg59, and how about if there is more then 1 users ?06:49
mjg59AlinuxOS: It's installed system-wide06:49
AlinuxOSis fonts.conf installed in each /home/user/.fonts  or there is other way to do this ?06:49
AlinuxOSmjg59, ah ok06:49
AlinuxOSttf-bpg-georgian-fonts in 0.2 version there was missed entry in /etc/defoma/hints/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts.hints, is it corrected in 0.3 version ?06:51
AlinuxOSmjg59, and I hope that 0.3 will be available for Dapper too :) not only for Edgy.06:53
=== AlinuxOS thanks mjg59 a lot!
AlinuxOS;)06:53
AlinuxOSmjg59, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/t/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts_0.3/changelog06:57
AlinuxOSok everything is clear now.06:57
AlinuxOSI'll test it as soon as possible.06:57
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amneziahi. when I'm compiling lirc, it needs bttv.h in the kernel sources which is nowhere in dapper. considering the bttv module is in dapper, I don't see why it's headers are missing. is this a bug or intended to be so?07:18
bmonty_awayamnezia: you need to install the appropriate linux-headers package, but you should really ask this question in #ubuntu07:28
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mikearthurhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/3450807:41
UbugtuMalone bug 34508 in linux-source-2.6.15 "2.6.15 kernel fails to boot on ppc machine" [High,Fix released]  07:41
mikearthurwas this never fixed?07:41
mikearthurI know it says fixed07:42
mikearthurbut I'm still getting the same problem on the latest linux-image07:42
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carthikHi, could someone take a look at Bug 54475 - a cdimage.u.c. bug which I can't seem to find the best way to bring to the notice of whoever manages the site? Thanks.09:04
UbugtuMalone bug 54475 in ogre "cdimage.u.c/daily breezy" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5447509:04
infinitycarthik: Oddly enough, filing the bug DOES get it to the right people.09:08
infinitycarthik: It's not catastrophic, it doesn't need extra enforcement on IRC, we'll poke it when we get to it (ie: when people are at work, rather than 5am on Sunday)09:08
carthikinfinity, notice that the bug is filed against the wrong "package" and there is no package I could find that was suitable. Sorry if I shouldn't have mentioned it here.09:09
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infinityOh, I didn't notice the wrong package.  Should be against ubuntu-cdimage.  I'll reassign.09:12
carthikthanks infinity - sorry for any aggravation caused :)09:13
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amneziabmonty:  sure thanks. I asked here because I searched for the header file on packages.ubuntu.com and no package provided it09:57
gnomefreakamnezia: try linux-headers package09:58
amneziagnomefreak:  no bttv.h there either10:05
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amneziathanks for the info, will look deeper into it at a later time10:13
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bluefoxicywow.  There's a spec for Fluxbox Ubuntu10:28
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LaserJockI thought that was already done10:30
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^ohoelflubuntu?10:33
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pygifubuntu10:43
bluefoxicyLaserJock:  enlightenment or flux?10:45
LaserJockbluefoxicy: both10:46
bluefoxicyI don't see an enlightenment one off the top of my head on launchpad10:46
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LaserJockhmm, I'm not sure there is a spec on LP for it, but there's stuff out there on it10:47
crimsun(ebuntu & flubuntu iirc)10:48
bluefoxicyheh10:51
bluefoxicyctrl+alt+delete to launch gnome-system-monitor except I always use ctrl+shift+escape10:51
LaserJockI think ebuntu might have died out in favor of something else10:51
ograit never really existed, unless you call something fully based on checkinstall a distro :)10:52
bluefoxicyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonCustomizations <-- this thing keeps saying stuff about gnome-app-install10:53
LaserJockogra: well, they did have a website and a livecd ;-)10:53
ograsure10:53
LaserJockbluefoxicy: yeah10:53
bluefoxicyI am thinking that adding more stuff to g-a-i is not going to help users much; they'll be like "I have a new system-- ooh a jillion kwhatevertheselooklikegamse hey why do they not look like the rest of my GNOME apps?"10:53
ograi could make fedorubuntu based on alien an put that on a livecd :)10:54
LaserJocklol10:54
bluefoxicyalso I still would like to be able to disable KDE/GNOME stuff in g-a-i10:54
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bluefoxicyso if using Kubuntu (not that I ever would but..) GTK+ apps won't accidentally be installed, and if using Ubuntu KDE apps won't accidentally be installed.10:54
bluefoxicyQt/GTK mix and match UIs look like shit, seriously10:55
bluefoxicyat any rate10:56
LaserJockbluefoxicy: as usual, file bugs and write patches ;-)10:57
bluefoxicyIf the solution to "we need X Y and Z easily available to the user because these are common things he will install" is "put it in gnome-app-install," you should probably fix the default page in Firefox to have a link to /usr/share/doc/something/getting_started.html or whatnot, and list the various things the user may like to install10:57
bluefoxicycomplete with screenshots and step by step instructions of course ;) (if this is legal... is it legal to tell people to go install msttcorefonts?)10:58
bluefoxicyLaserJock:  nods.  I probably will.  When I finish searching for the Sky Temple keys.10:58
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pygimdz, you here perhaps?11:46
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CarlFKShould the edgy installer give me fd0 as a install choice?  http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Jul29/b/EdgyInstallToFloppy.png  12:06
CarlFKand is debian-installer the package to bug?12:07

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