[12:22] <gnomefreak> is there a known issue with fonts?
[12:52] <pygi> sivang, poke
[12:52] <pygi> sorry to bug at this time, but I need you
[01:10] <gnomefreak> what is the meta package for Xfonts?
[01:18] <decrypt> Seveas kontaktgestoort zeker? Problemen thuis of zo? En ik de dupe. Nou je bent een schande voor de community
[01:19] <decrypt> Seveas ik weet ook wel dat je weet dat je dom reageerd. Maar helemaal zielig dat je het dan ook niet durft toe te geven.
[01:20] <Seveas> decrypt, stop right here. this channel is not for escalating problems from #ubuntu or other channels. If you want to discuss, calm down and come to #ubuntu-ops
[01:27] <bddebian> Heya
[01:53] <^ohoel> does metacity in edgy come with compositor support?
[01:54] <^ohoel> sorry, wrong channel and bad question
[02:38] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: You do know that went right over my head, right?
[02:39] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, ?
[02:39] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  <user> @!*# @$*^  some language I don't get !@@^* @^ <Seveas> *says something in english*
[02:40] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, ah -- that person was just swearing
[02:40] <Seveas> people tend to think they can be abusive in here after being thrown out of another ubuntu channel for that reason
[02:40] <bluefoxicy> Ah.   It's amusing though, watching a conversation occur in two different languages is extremely disorienting.
[02:41] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  Is it ever too early to open a new spec that builds on an old one?  :)
[02:42] <Seveas> you can always start a spec 
[02:43] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  I'm still working on one that attempts to describe a method for using pitti's AutomatedProblemReports to categorize and tag problems in ways that bring more attention to likely security vulnerabilities; but it feels a little premature because I really have no idea what pitti's stuff is going to do besides collect data and cram it somewhere probably at launchpad
[02:44] <bluefoxicy> For all I know he could have figured this all out ages ago ;)
[04:43] <desrt> anyone played with edgy xen yet?
[04:46] <crimsun> desrt: zul.
[04:46] <desrt> zul?
[04:46] <desrt> oh.  zul.
[04:46] <desrt> zul; 'sup?
[04:47] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[04:47] <crimsun> heya.
[04:52] <zul> desrt: hey
[04:53] <desrt> zul; xen me up, baby
[04:53] <desrt> how's it working?
[04:53] <zul> one or two issues that im working with but its cool..
[04:53] <zul> wait for the upload for monday
[04:53] <desrt> is it in the stock edgy kernel yet or do you have to install a -xen kernel?
[04:54] <zul> its not in the stock edgy kernel there is a kernel in universe that needs to be rebuilt because of a ftbfs but i have the kernel-image if you want it
[04:54] <desrt> i can wait for monday :)
[04:54] <zul> ok
[04:54] <desrt> thanks for the info.
[04:55] <zul> no probs
[05:02] <desrt> zul; one more question.  2.x or 3.x?
[05:04] <zul> 3
[05:08] <bluefoxicy> I love how I'll make a Wiki page, rabidly edit it, fill up my mail box
[05:08] <bluefoxicy> and there's like 6 more devs that get e-mailed everything
[05:08] <bluefoxicy> I am waiting for the day I get a bunch of e-mails entailing people being pissed at me and something about full inboxes.
[05:14] <nictuku> l
[05:15] <bddebian> m
[05:21] <bddebian> I thought XbuildX versions got synced automagically?
[07:11] <bluefoxicy> big comment at the end.
[07:13] <bluefoxicy> aww.
[07:13] <bluefoxicy> My comment didn't dwarf the rest of the content of that page
[07:13] <bluefoxicy> I'm losing my edge.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> hi all.  who broke dhclient
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> Hobbsee:  wasn't me.  I appear to have sat on somebody's glasses though.
[07:15] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: ah.  great.
[07:15] <Hobbsee> someone broked my eth0 :(
[07:16] <desrt> drinking from the firehose?
[07:16] <imbrandon_> moins Hobbsee, i've almost got a a new box finished up, adding some hardware and such tonight ( bout the only time i've had to work on it the laste few days )
[07:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: yay!!!
[07:17] <Hobbsee> desrt: a spec, to do with bug tracking.
[07:17] <desrt> ah.
[07:17] <desrt> each bug is a drop of water
[07:18] <desrt> malone is becoming a firehose
[07:18] <desrt> got it
[07:18] <Hobbsee> yeah, there are about that many of them...
[07:18] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:30] <bluefoxicy> desert yeah.  I've been working on some stuff and I saw it and was like 'You know you could probably...'
[07:32] <bluefoxicy> the best part of that comment is "encouraging users to not report crashes may be an option"
[07:54] <bluefoxicy> ahh screw it
[07:55] <bluefoxicy> I'll continue butchering pitti's stuff by spawning loads of excessive specifications on top of his barely started specifications XD
[08:18] <bluefoxicy> memory is what the hell?  I find that hard to believe.  *checks top*
[08:18] <bluefoxicy> Mem:    970916k total,   924908k used,    46008k free,    15472k buffers
[08:18] <bluefoxicy> Swap:  4208944k total,    19148k used,  4189796k free,   362060k cached
[08:18] <bluefoxicy> gnome's multi-load applet says memory is "100% in use by programs, 0% in use by cache"
[08:18] <bluefoxicy> does 362/970 look like 0%?
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> (I know what the problem is...)
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> Fixed.
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> The applet was 1 pixel high.  I jiggered with it, it fixed itself.  wHy the hell is it basing its calculations on its visual display instead of data from the system
[08:54] <bluefoxicy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedProblemReportsTagging is a horrid, ugly brain dump.
[08:56] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy: john moser tends to write like that
[08:57] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia:  I just wrote that out, AutomatedProblemReportsTaggingForSecurity was a bit cleaner before I started but I'm trying to abstract parts of the spec into other specs to avoid diluting the different bits.
[08:58] <bluefoxicy> I'm working on cleaning them all up.
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> ok, I am going to sleep
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> That stuff looks relatively clean.
[10:38] <HiddenWolf> Yagisan, please turn of the away-script in this channel, thank you.
[10:39] <Yagisan> HiddenWolf, thanks I've already been chatised for trying a new client. It should be stopped now
[12:10] <hunger__> What can I do to debug "Command failed" when running update-initramfs -u
[12:15] <infinity> hunger__: sh -x /usr/sbin/update-initramfs -u
[12:16] <hunger__> infinity: Thanks.
[12:17] <hunger__> infinity: Just wrote a bugreport about initramfs (#54423). It does include that output now.
[12:19] <infinity> Erm, that's curious...
[12:21] <infinity> What the heck is giving you that "Command failed" output?
[12:21] <infinity> Is that from your shell?
[12:21] <hunger__> infinity: I am in a root shell and enter "update-initramfs -u"
[12:21] <infinity> Cause it sure doesn't come from either mkinitramfs or update-initramfs.
[12:21] <hunger__> infinity: I do see that during upgrades sometimes, too.
[12:22] <StevenK> infinity: It looked to come from mkinitramfs to me.
[12:22] <infinity> StevenK: it doesn't.
[12:22] <hunger__> infinity: return code of update-initramfs is 0 by the way, maybe that helps?
[12:22] <infinity> (Unless it's coming from some random hook script from some package or other I don't have installed)
[12:22] <StevenK> Could it be a dash thing?
[12:23] <infinity> hunger__: It will always be 0 if mkinitramfs exited 0, so that's not so helpful.
[12:23] <infinity> StevenK: My /bin/sh appears to be dash here..
[12:24] <StevenK> infinity: As in 'Command failed' is coming from dash
[12:24] <hunger__> infinity: so is mine.
[12:24] <infinity> StevenK: Oh, possibly, but I wouldn't expect dash to be that verbose.
[12:24] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ dash
[12:24] <infinity> $ false
[12:24] <infinity> $ 
[12:24] <infinity> Nah.  Not verbose at all.
[12:24] <StevenK> Well, Herbert has certainly left his mark on dash.
[12:24] <StevenK> infinity: It might be a bashism in mkinitramfs
[12:25] <StevenK> However, I suspect they have probably been shaken out already.
[12:25] <hunger__> infinity: Where are those hook scripts?
[12:25] <infinity> StevenK: Again, not likely, since I'm running dash here too.  And it was always written with dash in mind anyway.
[12:25] <infinity> (Since half of it has to be able to run in dash in the initrd)
[12:25] <StevenK> How about we just get hunger__ to run mkinitramfs with -x?
[12:25] <infinity> hunger__: /usr/share/initramfs-tools
[12:26] <infinity> StevenK: Yeah, that was my next call.
[12:26] <hunger__> infinity: I got cryptroot, evms, kernelextras, lvm, md, thermal, udev and usplash in /u/s/irf-t/hooks.
[12:26] <infinity> hunger__: mkinitramfs -o /tmp/junk.img 2.6.17-5-686
[12:27] <infinity> Err, with a "sh -x /usr/sbin/" on the front of that. :)
[12:27] <hunger__> infinity: Command failed.
[12:28] <hunger__> infinity: lots of output, last line "Command failed"
[12:28] <StevenK> Second last line?
[12:28] <hunger__> initlist= cryptroot evms kernelextras lvm md thermal udev usplash
[12:28] <hunger__> then
[12:28] <hunger__> + set - cryptroot evms kernelextras lvm md thermal udev usplash
[12:28] <hunger__> then Command failed.
[12:29] <infinity> Right, add a "set -x" somewhere to the top of /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot
[12:29] <infinity> And then try again.
[12:30] <infinity> And if that's the one bombing, reassign the bug, I don't ship that script. :)
[12:30] <hunger__> infinity: "Command failed" happens right after "+ dmsetup info -c --noheadings -j 8 -m 4"
[12:30] <hunger__> infinity: So this is not your bug I think:-)
[12:30] <infinity> \o/
[12:31] <infinity> Add that info to the bug report, and reassign like the wind.
[12:31] <hunger__> infinity: reassign to?
[12:31] <infinity> dpkg -S /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot
[12:31] <infinity> Whatever paqckage that spits out. :)
[12:31] <infinity> package, too.
[12:33] <ajmitch> StevenK: what have they done now?
[12:33] <StevenK> The afl.com.au website is breaking.
[12:34] <ajmitch> right, so nothing important
[12:34] <StevenK> Well no, since I'm listening to the streaming audio call.
[12:35] <hunger__> Is it save to just delete scripts I do not need from the hook dir?
[12:36] <StevenK> hunger__: You could remove the package in question.
[12:36] <StevenK> Depends if anything depends on it.
[12:37] <StevenK> Oh geez, that sentence makes sense.
[12:37] <hunger__> StevenK: I do need that package or I would not have it installed:-)
[12:37] <hunger__> I have crypted volumes, but by / is not encrypted.
[12:37] <StevenK> Ah. I think that script only deals with a encrypted rootfs, so you probably could delete it.
[12:38] <StevenK> hunger__: Which package is to blame, by the way?
[12:38] <hunger__> cryptsetup
[12:39] <hunger__> s/them/themselves/
[12:40] <hunger__> I love that almost as much as -doc debs depending on the executable:-(
[01:28] <jono> hey
[01:39] <tseng> heya jono 
[01:42] <jono> hey tseng
[01:43] <TheMuso> c
[01:45] <imbrandon> moins TheMuso
[01:45] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[02:55] <cypher1> can i program an application and submit to ubuntu ?
[02:56] <Zdra> cypher1: if you make a package you can upload it for review on ubuntu-motu
[02:58] <bddebian> Hello
[02:59] <cypher1> Zdra, it is not a package..if someone writes a program which he thinks is useful, can he submit to ubuntu..or should he do it to sourceforge or somewhere else similar ?
[03:00] <cypher1> hi bddebian 
[03:00] <zul> well i would write the program put it somewhere and then package it and then upload to revu
[03:00] <Hobbsee> so sourceforge, yeah
[03:02] <bddebian> Hello cypher1, zul
[04:11] <Pupeno> Hello.
[04:11] <Pupeno> is it possible to compile linux-source-2.6.17_2.6.17-5.16 only for my architecture instead of for all of them ?
[04:33] <lucas> how can I force a package to include a TOC on the ubuntu wiki ?
[04:57] <wasabi> and the zeroconf thread continues.
[05:03] <bddebian> wasabi: Continues?  It never ends :-)
[05:03] <Treenaks> it's like Debian's duelling banjos
[05:03] <Treenaks> it never stops
[05:03] <wasabi> No new points have been raised in over 2 weeks on this thread.
[05:03] <wasabi> But I think, since nobody reads all 2 weeks worth of content before posting, they keep going over the same thing in circles.
[05:23] <mdz> I stopped reading it on the first day
[05:24] <Hobbsee> mdz: kill the remains of suspend2 while your'e at it?  although it looks like that has almost died.
[05:26] <bluefoxicy> mdz:  now that I read it, the spec says it'll be disabled by default and enabled by user action... isn't everyone bitching because they don't want it enabled by default?
[05:27] <mjg59> Lots of people want it enabled by default
[05:27] <mdz> I stopped reading it on the first day
[05:27] <mdz> we took a decision on this about a year ago
[05:27] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  ah so instead of "OMFG DON'T TURN IT ON BY DEFAULT *HOLYWAR*" you're getting "OMFG BUT I'M TOO LAZY TO CLICK A BUTTON *HOLYWAR*"?
[05:28] <shackan> do macs enable it by default or not ?
[05:29] <slomo_> shackan: they do
[05:29] <bluefoxicy> Also there should be a "Not a single remote hole in the default installation in 2 years" notice on the front page to mock OpenBSD </OBSD troll>
[05:29] <mjg59> Can we please not have this discussion here?
[05:29] <shackan> then why shouldn't you? well, ok, this discussion doesn't belong here
[05:29] <mjg59> The technical details are well understood, it's a policy decision
[05:30] <bluefoxicy> shackan:  open by default means a default permit policy for incoming connections or something like that (magical network setup behind the scenes); and also violates the "no ports open by default" policy
[05:30] <mjg59> bluefoxicy: Ssh
[05:31] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  into what?  :)
[05:31] <angasule> hello, as can be seen in: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=55173&   joystick support is close to non-existent, in my case, after plugging an analog joystick to the soundcard gameport, I had to mknod and modprobe to get it to work, the GUI only said it couldn't find a joystick device (and gave no help on how to set it up), I'm using kubuntu, but this is an ubuntu magic issue, so it shouldn't matter, I guess
[05:31] <madduck> Hobbsee: suspend2 has not died, it's just experiencing name and maintainer change
[05:31] <mjg59> madduck: Not really
[05:31] <mjg59> madduck: We're talking about the irritating thread on ubuntu-devel
[05:31] <mjg59> /That/ seems to have died
[05:31] <bluefoxicy> heh
[05:31] <madduck> ah, okay. want me to revive it? :)
[05:32] <mjg59> madduck: Want me to brutally murder you? :)
[05:32] <madduck> mjg59: that could be fun. :)
[05:32] <madduck> mjg59: will you be at the party?
[05:32] <bluefoxicy> murder-death-kill
[05:32] <mjg59> madduck: Ought to be
[05:32] <madduck> sweet.
[05:32] <mjg59> angasule: Can you file a bug about that, please?
[05:32] <bddebian> Hey, I want to go to the kill madduck party! :-)
[05:33] <madduck> bddebian: sorry, only VIPs. :)
[05:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:33] <bddebian> heh
[05:33] <mjg59> angasule: The issue is likely to be over how information about joystick ports is actually exposed to the OS
[05:33] <bluefoxicy> if there's ever a party in baltimore somebody call me
[05:33] <bddebian> Oh man there is such a wide opening for a joke in that statement
[05:33] <madduck> bddebian: it's not the killing party, but http://wiki.earth.li/DebianParty2006
[05:34] <bluefoxicy> bddebian:  this is a family oriented channel, or something.  Despite how many times Keybuk can say 'fuck' in under an hour when something goes wrong.  :)
[05:34] <angasule> what is the ubuntu bugzilla? bugzilla.ubuntu.com requests a password and recommends going to bugzilla.ubuntu.com ...
[05:34] <Philip5> hi guys, i have a problem when building a deb package with dpkg-buildpackage and everthing starts fine, gets configed but when dpkg-parsechangelog is to run the debian/changelog have been been deleted somehow... anyone know if there is a comman problem that makes this behaviour?
[05:34] <mjg59> angasule: launchpad.net
[05:34] <bddebian> madduck: Oh, cool
[05:34] <mjg59> angasule: And then if you could let me know the bug number
[05:34] <bluefoxicy> I should spec that now.  A counter in the bottom right of the status bar in xchat-gnome
[05:35] <angasule> mjg59: analog joystick on soundcard gameport is too simple, even if the magic can't detect it, there should be an automatic script to enable it on user command
[05:35] <bluefoxicy> to tally the amount of foul language developers spout off.
[05:35] <mjg59> angasule: It would be preferable to just make it work all the time
[05:35] <angasule> yes, of course
[05:35] <mjg59> madduck: I can't find my wiki password, and the reminder mail thing is broken
[05:35] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  this is an issue of "can hal see it"
[05:36] <bluefoxicy> I think.  You know what I have nfc.
[05:36] <madduck> mjg59: will add you then?
[05:36] <mjg59> bluefoxicy: ISA cards provide the information via isapnp
[05:36] <mjg59> madduck: Sure
[05:36] <mjg59> bluefoxicy: The issue is PCI cards with legacy gameport hardware
[05:36] <angasule> also, I have a USB HID-compliant joystick which I'll connect in a week or two when i get the time, those two should cover a lot of ground (although I'm guessing the USB one will work without much trouble)
[05:37] <mjg59> angasule: Yeah, USB should just work
[05:37] <Treenaks> mjg59: it does for me (2 logitech pads, one with "feedback")
[05:37] <slomo_> mdz: are you fine with updating evolution-sharp to a cvs snapshot that works with our latest evolution-data server? (compatibility for this was the only change)
[05:37] <mjg59> It might well just be a matter of adding the PCI IDs of all the appropriate soundcards to the ns558 driver
[05:37] <angasule> also, qjoypad or a similar utility is a *must*, since hats have a tendency to be detected as axes, I don't know why
[05:37] <mdz> slomo_: yep
[05:38] <slomo_> mdz: thanks
[05:38] <mjg59> angasule: Or we could try to fix that bug
[05:38] <mjg59> (to the extent possible)
[05:39] <angasule> mjg59: well, qjoypad does a lot more than just provide a workaround for that
[05:42] <mjg59> Then it's somewhat less of a must
[05:42] <angasule> 52257 and 17245 are related bugs, I'll post a bug now (I was checking existing bugs)
[05:43] <mjg59> Hang on, just let me check those ones
[05:43] <mjg59> Ok, file a new one
[05:48] <bluefoxicy> Slapping the user with a dialog vs. pulsing an icon in the Notification Area
[05:48] <bluefoxicy> a dialog is annoying and invasive; but an active icon in the notification area may draw excess CPU?
[05:48] <bluefoxicy> I dunno.
[05:49] <doko> mdz: openoffice.org-experimental in edgy, it even installs and starts
[05:50] <angasule> mjg59: bug 54458  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/54458
[05:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54458 in Ubuntu "Analog joystick on soundcard gameport not detected" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54458
[05:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54458 in Ubuntu "Analog joystick on soundcard gameport not detected" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[05:51] <bluefoxicy> doko:  what is -experimental?
[05:51] <mdz> doko: neat
[05:51] <bluefoxicy> hi pitti
[05:51] <pitti> hi
[05:52] <mjg59> angasule: Thanks
[05:52] <mjg59> angasule: What sort of gameport do you have? Is it part of your soundcard?
[05:53] <doko> bluefoxicy: native build
[05:53] <angasule> yes
[05:53] <bluefoxicy> pitti:  I was bored from 2am-4am last night, did you see I forked a bazillion specs out of the automated-problem-reports spec?
[05:53] <bluefoxicy> doko:  so amd64?
[05:53] <angasule> it's the old kind, that uses a couple of 100k ohm resistors and such
[05:54] <mjg59> angasule: Right. But is it part of your soundcard?
[05:54] <angasule> yes, it's part of my soundcard
[05:54] <mjg59> What sort of soundcard?
[05:54] <angasule> it's a Sound Blaster Live (I mentioned it in the report)
[05:54] <mjg59> Ok
[05:54] <mjg59> Does the emu10k1-gp driver get loaded?
[05:54] <angasule> not sure exactly /which/ SB Live, I could find out, if it's important
[05:55] <bluefoxicy> pitti:  there's one to describe the feedback mechanism ("if it detects a crash report it can read, it creates a notification which points to the file and asks to file a bug." <-- describe this); one on tagging and searching to find similar (likely the same bug) crashes; and one (which may become mainly informational) on using the tagging and sorting to locate likely security bugs
[05:56] <angasule> mjg59: lsmod says: emu10k1_gp              4224  0
[05:56] <angasule> mjg59: I currently have the joystick modules loaded, should I remove the script, reboot, and give you clean data?
[05:57] <mjg59> angasule: Ok. Is the ns558 module loaded?
[05:57] <angasule> mjg59: no
[05:57] <mjg59> angasule: Ok
[05:57] <bluefoxicy> ok I'm going to go take a shower.
[06:02] <mjg59> How do I add another package to a bug in launchpad?
[06:04] <zul_> no idea
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> Is anyone else having gksu problems?
[06:44] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, ping.
[06:45] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: Hi
[06:46] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, I would like to ask you if you have some time to package BPG's new fonts.
[06:46] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: It's done
[06:46] <mjg59> Just needs to be synced from Debian
[06:47] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, I've created georgian users suitable fonts.conf file.
[06:47] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: Yeah, I've included that
[06:48] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, :) heh great.
[06:49] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, and how about if there is more then 1 users ?
[06:49] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: It's installed system-wide
[06:49] <AlinuxOS> is fonts.conf installed in each /home/user/.fonts  or there is other way to do this ?
[06:49] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, ah ok
[06:51] <AlinuxOS> ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts in 0.2 version there was missed entry in /etc/defoma/hints/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts.hints, is it corrected in 0.3 version ?
[06:53] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, and I hope that 0.3 will be available for Dapper too :) not only for Edgy.
[06:53] <AlinuxOS> ;)
[06:57] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/t/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts_0.3/changelog
[06:57] <AlinuxOS> ok everything is clear now.
[06:57] <AlinuxOS> I'll test it as soon as possible.
[07:18] <amnezia> hi. when I'm compiling lirc, it needs bttv.h in the kernel sources which is nowhere in dapper. considering the bttv module is in dapper, I don't see why it's headers are missing. is this a bug or intended to be so?
[07:28] <bmonty_away> amnezia: you need to install the appropriate linux-headers package, but you should really ask this question in #ubuntu
[07:41] <mikearthur> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/34508
[07:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34508 in linux-source-2.6.15 "2.6.15 kernel fails to boot on ppc machine" [High,Fix released]  
[07:41] <mikearthur> was this never fixed?
[07:42] <mikearthur> I know it says fixed
[07:42] <mikearthur> but I'm still getting the same problem on the latest linux-image
[09:04] <carthik> Hi, could someone take a look at Bug 54475 - a cdimage.u.c. bug which I can't seem to find the best way to bring to the notice of whoever manages the site? Thanks.
[09:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54475 in ogre "cdimage.u.c/daily breezy" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54475
[09:08] <infinity> carthik: Oddly enough, filing the bug DOES get it to the right people.
[09:08] <infinity> carthik: It's not catastrophic, it doesn't need extra enforcement on IRC, we'll poke it when we get to it (ie: when people are at work, rather than 5am on Sunday)
[09:09] <carthik> infinity, notice that the bug is filed against the wrong "package" and there is no package I could find that was suitable. Sorry if I shouldn't have mentioned it here.
[09:12] <infinity> Oh, I didn't notice the wrong package.  Should be against ubuntu-cdimage.  I'll reassign.
[09:13] <carthik> thanks infinity - sorry for any aggravation caused :)
[09:57] <amnezia> bmonty:  sure thanks. I asked here because I searched for the header file on packages.ubuntu.com and no package provided it
[09:58] <gnomefreak> amnezia: try linux-headers package
[10:05] <amnezia> gnomefreak:  no bttv.h there either
[10:13] <amnezia> thanks for the info, will look deeper into it at a later time
[10:28] <bluefoxicy> wow.  There's a spec for Fluxbox Ubuntu
[10:30] <LaserJock> I thought that was already done
[10:33] <^ohoel> flubuntu?
[10:43] <pygi> fubuntu
[10:45] <bluefoxicy> LaserJock:  enlightenment or flux?
[10:46] <LaserJock> bluefoxicy: both
[10:46] <bluefoxicy> I don't see an enlightenment one off the top of my head on launchpad
[10:47] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not sure there is a spec on LP for it, but there's stuff out there on it
[10:48] <crimsun> (ebuntu & flubuntu iirc)
[10:51] <bluefoxicy> heh
[10:51] <bluefoxicy> ctrl+alt+delete to launch gnome-system-monitor except I always use ctrl+shift+escape
[10:51] <LaserJock> I think ebuntu might have died out in favor of something else
[10:52] <ogra> it never really existed, unless you call something fully based on checkinstall a distro :)
[10:53] <bluefoxicy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonCustomizations <-- this thing keeps saying stuff about gnome-app-install
[10:53] <LaserJock> ogra: well, they did have a website and a livecd ;-)
[10:53] <ogra> sure
[10:53] <LaserJock> bluefoxicy: yeah
[10:53] <bluefoxicy> I am thinking that adding more stuff to g-a-i is not going to help users much; they'll be like "I have a new system-- ooh a jillion kwhatevertheselooklikegamse hey why do they not look like the rest of my GNOME apps?"
[10:54] <ogra> i could make fedorubuntu based on alien an put that on a livecd :)
[10:54] <LaserJock> lol
[10:54] <bluefoxicy> also I still would like to be able to disable KDE/GNOME stuff in g-a-i
[10:54] <bluefoxicy> so if using Kubuntu (not that I ever would but..) GTK+ apps won't accidentally be installed, and if using Ubuntu KDE apps won't accidentally be installed.
[10:55] <bluefoxicy> Qt/GTK mix and match UIs look like shit, seriously
[10:56] <bluefoxicy> at any rate
[10:57] <LaserJock> bluefoxicy: as usual, file bugs and write patches ;-)
[10:57] <bluefoxicy> If the solution to "we need X Y and Z easily available to the user because these are common things he will install" is "put it in gnome-app-install," you should probably fix the default page in Firefox to have a link to /usr/share/doc/something/getting_started.html or whatnot, and list the various things the user may like to install
[10:58] <bluefoxicy> complete with screenshots and step by step instructions of course ;) (if this is legal... is it legal to tell people to go install msttcorefonts?)
[10:58] <bluefoxicy> LaserJock:  nods.  I probably will.  When I finish searching for the Sky Temple keys.
[11:46] <pygi> mdz, you here perhaps?
[12:06] <CarlFK> Should the edgy installer give me fd0 as a install choice?  http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Jul29/b/EdgyInstallToFloppy.png  
[12:07] <CarlFK> and is debian-installer the package to bug?