=== AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d83-176-118-115.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-239-169.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F7F7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] is there a known issue with fonts? === jdub_ [n=jdub@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Loevborg [n=loevborg@dslb-084-056-018-085.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] sivang, poke [12:52] sorry to bug at this time, but I need you === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] what is the meta package for Xfonts? === decrypt [n=ronald@ip20-164-208-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] Seveas kontaktgestoort zeker? Problemen thuis of zo? En ik de dupe. Nou je bent een schande voor de community [01:19] Seveas ik weet ook wel dat je weet dat je dom reageerd. Maar helemaal zielig dat je het dan ook niet durft toe te geven. [01:20] decrypt, stop right here. this channel is not for escalating problems from #ubuntu or other channels. If you want to discuss, calm down and come to #ubuntu-ops === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === robitaille [i=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] Heya === jdub [n=jdub@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] <^ohoel> does metacity in edgy come with compositor support? [01:54] <^ohoel> sorry, wrong channel and bad question === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === decrypt [n=ronald@ip20-164-208-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro_ [n=rpedro@87-196-106-205.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] Seveas: You do know that went right over my head, right? [02:39] bluefoxicy, ? [02:39] Seveas: @!*# @$*^ some language I don't get !@@^* @^ *says something in english* [02:40] bluefoxicy, ah -- that person was just swearing [02:40] people tend to think they can be abusive in here after being thrown out of another ubuntu channel for that reason [02:40] Ah. It's amusing though, watching a conversation occur in two different languages is extremely disorienting. [02:41] Seveas: Is it ever too early to open a new spec that builds on an old one? :) [02:42] you can always start a spec === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DC1B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] Seveas: I'm still working on one that attempts to describe a method for using pitti's AutomatedProblemReports to categorize and tag problems in ways that bring more attention to likely security vulnerabilities; but it feels a little premature because I really have no idea what pitti's stuff is going to do besides collect data and cram it somewhere probably at launchpad [02:44] For all I know he could have figured this all out ages ago ;) === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DC1B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gort [n=jgbiggs@cpe-24-175-10-187.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anselmolsm [n=anselmo@200-232-236-49.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nasdaq7 [i=nasdaq7@tkp-ip-nas-1-p222.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dmk_uk [n=dmk@host81-156-26-95.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dmk [n=dmk@host81-156-26-95.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === dmk [n=dmk@host81-156-26-95.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host187-137.pool876.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki [n=shenki@ppp161-240.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> brown.freenode.net === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:43] anyone played with edgy xen yet? [04:46] desrt: zul. [04:46] zul? [04:46] oh. zul. [04:46] zul; 'sup? [04:47] Heya crimsun [04:47] heya. === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.92.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] desrt: hey [04:53] zul; xen me up, baby [04:53] how's it working? [04:53] one or two issues that im working with but its cool.. [04:53] wait for the upload for monday [04:53] is it in the stock edgy kernel yet or do you have to install a -xen kernel? [04:54] its not in the stock edgy kernel there is a kernel in universe that needs to be rebuilt because of a ftbfs but i have the kernel-image if you want it [04:54] i can wait for monday :) [04:54] ok [04:54] thanks for the info. [04:55] no probs [05:02] zul; one more question. 2.x or 3.x? [05:04] 3 === node` [n=icmp_@adsl-220-236-183.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:08] I love how I'll make a Wiki page, rabidly edit it, fill up my mail box [05:08] and there's like 6 more devs that get e-mailed everything [05:08] I am waiting for the day I get a bunch of e-mails entailing people being pissed at me and something about full inboxes. === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:14] l [05:15] m [05:21] I thought XbuildX versions got synced automagically? === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.50.196] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [n=jdub@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub_ [n=jdub@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub__ [n=jdub@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi pokes sivang === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy yawns and prods the DrinkingFromTheFirehose spec, and adds stuff to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DrinkingFromTheFirehose/Talk [07:11] big comment at the end. [07:13] aww. [07:13] My comment didn't dwarf the rest of the content of that page [07:13] I'm losing my edge. [07:14] hi all. who broke dhclient === bluefoxicy looks under himself to make sure he isn't sitting on it. [07:14] Hobbsee: wasn't me. I appear to have sat on somebody's glasses though. [07:15] bluefoxicy: ah. great. [07:15] someone broked my eth0 :( [07:16] drinking from the firehose? [07:16] moins Hobbsee, i've almost got a a new box finished up, adding some hardware and such tonight ( bout the only time i've had to work on it the laste few days ) [07:17] imbrandon_: yay!!! [07:17] desrt: a spec, to do with bug tracking. === fgeller [n=fgeller@ip68-226-88-125.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:17] ah. [07:17] each bug is a drop of water [07:18] malone is becoming a firehose [07:18] got it [07:18] yeah, there are about that many of them... [07:18] :P [07:30] desert yeah. I've been working on some stuff and I saw it and was like 'You know you could probably...' [07:32] the best part of that comment is "encouraging users to not report crashes may be an option" [07:54] ahh screw it [07:55] I'll continue butchering pitti's stuff by spawning loads of excessive specifications on top of his barely started specifications XD === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] memory is what the hell? I find that hard to believe. *checks top* [08:18] Mem: 970916k total, 924908k used, 46008k free, 15472k buffers [08:18] Swap: 4208944k total, 19148k used, 4189796k free, 362060k cached === hunger [n=tobias@p54A62831.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] gnome's multi-load applet says memory is "100% in use by programs, 0% in use by cache" [08:18] does 362/970 look like 0%? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] (I know what the problem is...) [08:19] Fixed. [08:20] The applet was 1 pixel high. I jiggered with it, it fixed itself. wHy the hell is it basing its calculations on its visual display instead of data from the system === Zdra [n=zdra@99.230-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub_ [n=jdub@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.92.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan-aWay is Away, Reason: ( "Real life :(" ) | Since: ( Saturday July 29 2006. 13:32:46 ) Xlack v2.1 === shenki [n=Joel@62-246-90-219.dyn.adsl.momentuminternet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedProblemReportsTagging is a horrid, ugly brain dump. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:56] bluefoxicy: john moser tends to write like that [08:57] Burgundavia: I just wrote that out, AutomatedProblemReportsTaggingForSecurity was a bit cleaner before I started but I'm trying to abstract parts of the spec into other specs to avoid diluting the different bits. [08:58] I'm working on cleaning them all up. === rpedro_ [n=rpedro@87-196-42-154.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [n=jdub@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === floam [n=nnnnaaro@sh.nu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A63AEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub_ [n=jdub@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] ok, I am going to sleep [09:29] That stuff looks relatively clean. === jdub [n=jdub@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jeff_hann [n=schaiba@194.176.179.72] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=hidde@212-127-236-81.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB [n=ownt@ACD81603.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan-aWay is back ( Away 1 hour 37 mins 31 secs ) === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] Yagisan, please turn of the away-script in this channel, thank you. === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] HiddenWolf, thanks I've already been chatised for trying a new client. It should be stopped now === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-102-250.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=hidde@212-127-236-81.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-12-42.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0E27E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@di-pc67.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger__ [n=tobias@p54A62270.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] What can I do to debug "Command failed" when running update-initramfs -u [12:15] hunger__: sh -x /usr/sbin/update-initramfs -u [12:16] infinity: Thanks. [12:17] infinity: Just wrote a bugreport about initramfs (#54423). It does include that output now. [12:19] Erm, that's curious... [12:21] What the heck is giving you that "Command failed" output? [12:21] Is that from your shell? [12:21] infinity: I am in a root shell and enter "update-initramfs -u" [12:21] Cause it sure doesn't come from either mkinitramfs or update-initramfs. [12:21] infinity: I do see that during upgrades sometimes, too. [12:22] infinity: It looked to come from mkinitramfs to me. [12:22] StevenK: it doesn't. [12:22] infinity: return code of update-initramfs is 0 by the way, maybe that helps? [12:22] (Unless it's coming from some random hook script from some package or other I don't have installed) [12:22] Could it be a dash thing? [12:23] hunger__: It will always be 0 if mkinitramfs exited 0, so that's not so helpful. [12:23] StevenK: My /bin/sh appears to be dash here.. [12:24] infinity: As in 'Command failed' is coming from dash [12:24] infinity: so is mine. [12:24] StevenK: Oh, possibly, but I wouldn't expect dash to be that verbose. === StevenK grins. [12:24] (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ dash [12:24] $ false [12:24] $ [12:24] Nah. Not verbose at all. [12:24] Well, Herbert has certainly left his mark on dash. [12:24] infinity: It might be a bashism in mkinitramfs [12:25] However, I suspect they have probably been shaken out already. [12:25] infinity: Where are those hook scripts? [12:25] StevenK: Again, not likely, since I'm running dash here too. And it was always written with dash in mind anyway. [12:25] (Since half of it has to be able to run in dash in the initrd) [12:25] How about we just get hunger__ to run mkinitramfs with -x? [12:25] hunger__: /usr/share/initramfs-tools [12:26] StevenK: Yeah, that was my next call. === StevenK high fives infinity. === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.92.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] infinity: I got cryptroot, evms, kernelextras, lvm, md, thermal, udev and usplash in /u/s/irf-t/hooks. [12:26] hunger__: mkinitramfs -o /tmp/junk.img 2.6.17-5-686 [12:27] Err, with a "sh -x /usr/sbin/" on the front of that. :) [12:27] infinity: Command failed. [12:28] infinity: lots of output, last line "Command failed" [12:28] Second last line? [12:28] initlist= cryptroot evms kernelextras lvm md thermal udev usplash [12:28] then [12:28] + set - cryptroot evms kernelextras lvm md thermal udev usplash [12:28] then Command failed. [12:29] Right, add a "set -x" somewhere to the top of /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot [12:29] And then try again. [12:30] And if that's the one bombing, reassign the bug, I don't ship that script. :) === ctd_ [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] infinity: "Command failed" happens right after "+ dmsetup info -c --noheadings -j 8 -m 4" [12:30] infinity: So this is not your bug I think:-) [12:30] \o/ [12:31] Add that info to the bug report, and reassign like the wind. [12:31] infinity: reassign to? [12:31] dpkg -S /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot [12:31] Whatever paqckage that spits out. :) [12:31] package, too. === StevenK kicks Telstra. === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK kicks Telstra again. === lbm [n=lbm@0x535d8908.vgnxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch joins in & gives them a kick for good measure [12:33] StevenK: what have they done now? [12:33] The afl.com.au website is breaking. === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] right, so nothing important [12:34] Well no, since I'm listening to the streaming audio call. [12:35] Is it save to just delete scripts I do not need from the hook dir? [12:36] hunger__: You could remove the package in question. [12:36] Depends if anything depends on it. [12:37] Oh geez, that sentence makes sense. [12:37] StevenK: I do need that package or I would not have it installed:-) [12:37] I have crypted volumes, but by / is not encrypted. === shenki [n=Joel@62-246-90-219.dyn.adsl.momentuminternet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] Ah. I think that script only deals with a encrypted rootfs, so you probably could delete it. [12:38] hunger__: Which package is to blame, by the way? [12:38] cryptsetup === hunger__ finds it annoying having to clean up the bootup process regularly because some debs he wants but does not actually need insist on adding them into the boot sequence every time they are updated. [12:39] s/them/themselves/ [12:40] I love that almost as much as -doc debs depending on the executable:-( === StevenK sighs. 20 minutes investigating a patch and I don't need it. === thunderstruck [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === javier [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089F0B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0E27E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@0x535d8908.vgnxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] hey === lbm [n=lbm@0x535d8908.vgnxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] heya jono [01:42] hey tseng [01:43] c [01:45] moins TheMuso === shackan [n=shackan@host44-28.pool873.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] Hey imbrandon. === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee__ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ^ohoel [n=beshy@85.89.201.75] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-145-190.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host44-28.pool873.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@di-pc67.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.202.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jeff_hann [n=schaiba@194.176.179.72] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] can i program an application and submit to ubuntu ? [02:56] cypher1: if you make a package you can upload it for review on ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:58] Hello [02:59] Zdra, it is not a package..if someone writes a program which he thinks is useful, can he submit to ubuntu..or should he do it to sourceforge or somewhere else similar ? [03:00] hi bddebian [03:00] well i would write the program put it somewhere and then package it and then upload to revu [03:00] so sourceforge, yeah [03:02] Hello cypher1, zul === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [n=kent@kr-lun-89-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host176-136.pool8711.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-199-240.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ^ohoel [n=beshy@85.89.201.75] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi pokes sivang === Pupeno [n=pupeno@dslb-088-072-227-191.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:11] Hello. [04:11] is it possible to compile linux-source-2.6.17_2.6.17-5.16 only for my architecture instead of for all of them ? === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Philip5 [n=Philip@c83-253-44-139.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === whiprush [n=jorge@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:33] how can I force a package to include a TOC on the ubuntu wiki ? === ^ohoel [n=beshy@85.89.201.75] has joined #ubuntu-devel === probono [n=user@p50809785.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@99.230-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee__ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:57] and the zeroconf thread continues. === Hobbsee__ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] wasabi: Continues? It never ends :-) [05:03] it's like Debian's duelling banjos [05:03] it never stops [05:03] No new points have been raised in over 2 weeks on this thread. [05:03] But I think, since nobody reads all 2 weeks worth of content before posting, they keep going over the same thing in circles. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubuntu-cn [n=drivel@218.28.177.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Expect [n=rui@bl4-179-20.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz ponders killing the zeroconf thread [05:23] I stopped reading it on the first day [05:24] mdz: kill the remains of suspend2 while your'e at it? although it looks like that has almost died. [05:26] mdz: now that I read it, the spec says it'll be disabled by default and enabled by user action... isn't everyone bitching because they don't want it enabled by default? === angasule [n=angasule@190.49.200.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:27] Lots of people want it enabled by default [05:27] I stopped reading it on the first day [05:27] we took a decision on this about a year ago [05:27] mjg59: ah so instead of "OMFG DON'T TURN IT ON BY DEFAULT *HOLYWAR*" you're getting "OMFG BUT I'M TOO LAZY TO CLICK A BUTTON *HOLYWAR*"? [05:28] do macs enable it by default or not ? [05:29] shackan: they do [05:29] Also there should be a "Not a single remote hole in the default installation in 2 years" notice on the front page to mock OpenBSD [05:29] Can we please not have this discussion here? [05:29] then why shouldn't you? well, ok, this discussion doesn't belong here [05:29] The technical details are well understood, it's a policy decision [05:30] shackan: open by default means a default permit policy for incoming connections or something like that (magical network setup behind the scenes); and also violates the "no ports open by default" policy [05:30] bluefoxicy: Ssh [05:31] mjg59: into what? :) [05:31] hello, as can be seen in: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=55173& joystick support is close to non-existent, in my case, after plugging an analog joystick to the soundcard gameport, I had to mknod and modprobe to get it to work, the GUI only said it couldn't find a joystick device (and gave no help on how to set it up), I'm using kubuntu, but this is an ubuntu magic issue, so it shouldn't matter, I guess [05:31] Hobbsee: suspend2 has not died, it's just experiencing name and maintainer change [05:31] madduck: Not really [05:31] madduck: We're talking about the irritating thread on ubuntu-devel [05:31] /That/ seems to have died [05:31] heh [05:31] ah, okay. want me to revive it? :) [05:32] madduck: Want me to brutally murder you? :) [05:32] mjg59: that could be fun. :) [05:32] mjg59: will you be at the party? [05:32] murder-death-kill [05:32] madduck: Ought to be [05:32] sweet. [05:32] angasule: Can you file a bug about that, please? [05:32] Hey, I want to go to the kill madduck party! :-) === Zdra_ [n=zdra@153.216-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:33] bddebian: sorry, only VIPs. :) [05:33] heh [05:33] heh [05:33] angasule: The issue is likely to be over how information about joystick ports is actually exposed to the OS [05:33] if there's ever a party in baltimore somebody call me [05:33] Oh man there is such a wide opening for a joke in that statement [05:33] bddebian: it's not the killing party, but http://wiki.earth.li/DebianParty2006 [05:34] bddebian: this is a family oriented channel, or something. Despite how many times Keybuk can say 'fuck' in under an hour when something goes wrong. :) [05:34] what is the ubuntu bugzilla? bugzilla.ubuntu.com requests a password and recommends going to bugzilla.ubuntu.com ... [05:34] hi guys, i have a problem when building a deb package with dpkg-buildpackage and everthing starts fine, gets configed but when dpkg-parsechangelog is to run the debian/changelog have been been deleted somehow... anyone know if there is a comman problem that makes this behaviour? [05:34] angasule: launchpad.net [05:34] madduck: Oh, cool [05:34] angasule: And then if you could let me know the bug number [05:34] I should spec that now. A counter in the bottom right of the status bar in xchat-gnome [05:35] mjg59: analog joystick on soundcard gameport is too simple, even if the magic can't detect it, there should be an automatic script to enable it on user command [05:35] to tally the amount of foul language developers spout off. [05:35] angasule: It would be preferable to just make it work all the time === madduck does not see mjg59's name in the list... [05:35] yes, of course === shackan_ [n=shackan@host185-14.pool871.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:35] madduck: I can't find my wiki password, and the reminder mail thing is broken [05:35] mjg59: this is an issue of "can hal see it" [05:36] I think. You know what I have nfc. [05:36] mjg59: will add you then? [05:36] bluefoxicy: ISA cards provide the information via isapnp [05:36] madduck: Sure [05:36] bluefoxicy: The issue is PCI cards with legacy gameport hardware [05:36] also, I have a USB HID-compliant joystick which I'll connect in a week or two when i get the time, those two should cover a lot of ground (although I'm guessing the USB one will work without much trouble) [05:37] angasule: Yeah, USB should just work [05:37] mjg59: it does for me (2 logitech pads, one with "feedback") [05:37] mdz: are you fine with updating evolution-sharp to a cvs snapshot that works with our latest evolution-data server? (compatibility for this was the only change) [05:37] It might well just be a matter of adding the PCI IDs of all the appropriate soundcards to the ns558 driver [05:37] also, qjoypad or a similar utility is a *must*, since hats have a tendency to be detected as axes, I don't know why [05:37] slomo_: yep [05:38] mdz: thanks [05:38] angasule: Or we could try to fix that bug [05:38] (to the extent possible) [05:39] mjg59: well, qjoypad does a lot more than just provide a workaround for that [05:42] Then it's somewhat less of a must [05:42] 52257 and 17245 are related bugs, I'll post a bug now (I was checking existing bugs) [05:43] Hang on, just let me check those ones [05:43] Ok, file a new one === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:48] Slapping the user with a dialog vs. pulsing an icon in the Notification Area === shackan [n=shackan@host185-14.pool871.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:48] a dialog is annoying and invasive; but an active icon in the notification area may draw excess CPU? [05:48] I dunno. [05:49] mdz: openoffice.org-experimental in edgy, it even installs and starts [05:50] mjg59: bug 54458 https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/54458 [05:50] Malone bug 54458 in Ubuntu "Analog joystick on soundcard gameport not detected" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54458 [05:50] Malone bug 54458 in Ubuntu "Analog joystick on soundcard gameport not detected" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] [05:51] doko: what is -experimental? [05:51] doko: neat === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:51] hi pitti [05:51] hi [05:52] angasule: Thanks [05:52] angasule: What sort of gameport do you have? Is it part of your soundcard? [05:53] bluefoxicy: native build [05:53] yes [05:53] pitti: I was bored from 2am-4am last night, did you see I forked a bazillion specs out of the automated-problem-reports spec? [05:53] doko: so amd64? [05:53] it's the old kind, that uses a couple of 100k ohm resistors and such === hunger [n=tobias@p54A64732.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:54] angasule: Right. But is it part of your soundcard? [05:54] yes, it's part of my soundcard [05:54] What sort of soundcard? [05:54] it's a Sound Blaster Live (I mentioned it in the report) [05:54] Ok [05:54] Does the emu10k1-gp driver get loaded? [05:54] not sure exactly /which/ SB Live, I could find out, if it's important [05:55] pitti: there's one to describe the feedback mechanism ("if it detects a crash report it can read, it creates a notification which points to the file and asks to file a bug." <-- describe this); one on tagging and searching to find similar (likely the same bug) crashes; and one (which may become mainly informational) on using the tagging and sorting to locate likely security bugs [05:56] mjg59: lsmod says: emu10k1_gp 4224 0 [05:56] mjg59: I currently have the joystick modules loaded, should I remove the script, reboot, and give you clean data? === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-206-119.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:57] angasule: Ok. Is the ns558 module loaded? [05:57] mjg59: no [05:57] angasule: Ok [05:57] ok I'm going to go take a shower. [06:02] How do I add another package to a bug in launchpad? [06:04] no idea === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-207-79.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gg [n=drivel@218.28.177.254] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Pupeno_ [n=pupeno@dslb-088-072-220-035.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:15] Is anyone else having gksu problems? === Zdra__ [n=zdra@123.216-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [n=kent@kr-lun-89-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@123.49.239.49] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kylem [n=kyle@206-248-151-76.dsl.ncf.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Philip5 [n=Philip@c83-253-44-139.bredband.comhem.se] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d81-211-246-252.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-42-154.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:44] mjg59, ping. === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:45] AlinuxOS: Hi [06:46] mjg59, I would like to ask you if you have some time to package BPG's new fonts. [06:46] AlinuxOS: It's done [06:46] Just needs to be synced from Debian [06:47] mjg59, I've created georgian users suitable fonts.conf file. [06:47] AlinuxOS: Yeah, I've included that [06:48] mjg59, :) heh great. [06:49] mjg59, and how about if there is more then 1 users ? [06:49] AlinuxOS: It's installed system-wide [06:49] is fonts.conf installed in each /home/user/.fonts or there is other way to do this ? [06:49] mjg59, ah ok [06:51] ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts in 0.2 version there was missed entry in /etc/defoma/hints/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts.hints, is it corrected in 0.3 version ? [06:53] mjg59, and I hope that 0.3 will be available for Dapper too :) not only for Edgy. === AlinuxOS thanks mjg59 a lot! [06:53] ;) [06:57] mjg59, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/t/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts_0.3/changelog [06:57] ok everything is clear now. [06:57] I'll test it as soon as possible. === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.174.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy blinks at an approved spec that says something about building Firefox for 686 'instead' === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DB449.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amnezia [n=amnezia@p5080F256.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] hi. when I'm compiling lirc, it needs bttv.h in the kernel sources which is nowhere in dapper. considering the bttv module is in dapper, I don't see why it's headers are missing. is this a bug or intended to be so? [07:28] amnezia: you need to install the appropriate linux-headers package, but you should really ask this question in #ubuntu === mikearthur [n=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/34508 [07:41] Malone bug 34508 in linux-source-2.6.15 "2.6.15 kernel fails to boot on ppc machine" [High,Fix released] [07:41] was this never fixed? [07:42] I know it says fixed [07:42] but I'm still getting the same problem on the latest linux-image === Zdra_ [n=zdra@30.193-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fsmw [n=Fernando@18-112-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel === binaryBlob [n=CoreTex@64-142-95-29.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@90.168-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carthik [n=carthik@pdpc/supporter/student/carthik] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] Hi, could someone take a look at Bug 54475 - a cdimage.u.c. bug which I can't seem to find the best way to bring to the notice of whoever manages the site? Thanks. [09:04] Malone bug 54475 in ogre "cdimage.u.c/daily breezy" [Untriaged,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54475 [09:08] carthik: Oddly enough, filing the bug DOES get it to the right people. [09:08] carthik: It's not catastrophic, it doesn't need extra enforcement on IRC, we'll poke it when we get to it (ie: when people are at work, rather than 5am on Sunday) [09:09] infinity, notice that the bug is filed against the wrong "package" and there is no package I could find that was suitable. Sorry if I shouldn't have mentioned it here. === pygi pokes sivang once again =P === thunderstruck [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] Oh, I didn't notice the wrong package. Should be against ubuntu-cdimage. I'll reassign. [09:13] thanks infinity - sorry for any aggravation caused :) === carthik [n=carthik@pdpc/supporter/student/carthik] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.92.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fsmw_ [n=Fernando@18-112-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@ubuntu/member/ozamosi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] bmonty: sure thanks. I asked here because I searched for the header file on packages.ubuntu.com and no package provided it [09:58] amnezia: try linux-headers package [10:05] gnomefreak: no bttv.h there either === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-145-190.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] thanks for the info, will look deeper into it at a later time === amnezia [n=amnezia@p5080F256.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [10:28] wow. There's a spec for Fluxbox Ubuntu === bluefoxicy shrugs and frivolously writes a spec for enlightenment, just because. Doesn't really care, but it looks to be the cool thing to do now. [10:30] I thought that was already done === thunderstruck [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] <^ohoel> flubuntu? === thunderstruck [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] fubuntu [10:45] LaserJock: enlightenment or flux? [10:46] bluefoxicy: both [10:46] I don't see an enlightenment one off the top of my head on launchpad === bluefoxicy stops playing metroid prime and checks the wiki [10:47] hmm, I'm not sure there is a spec on LP for it, but there's stuff out there on it [10:48] (ebuntu & flubuntu iirc) [10:51] heh [10:51] ctrl+alt+delete to launch gnome-system-monitor except I always use ctrl+shift+escape [10:51] I think ebuntu might have died out in favor of something else [10:52] it never really existed, unless you call something fully based on checkinstall a distro :) [10:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonCustomizations <-- this thing keeps saying stuff about gnome-app-install [10:53] ogra: well, they did have a website and a livecd ;-) [10:53] sure [10:53] bluefoxicy: yeah [10:53] I am thinking that adding more stuff to g-a-i is not going to help users much; they'll be like "I have a new system-- ooh a jillion kwhatevertheselooklikegamse hey why do they not look like the rest of my GNOME apps?" [10:54] i could make fedorubuntu based on alien an put that on a livecd :) [10:54] lol [10:54] also I still would like to be able to disable KDE/GNOME stuff in g-a-i === thunderstruck [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] so if using Kubuntu (not that I ever would but..) GTK+ apps won't accidentally be installed, and if using Ubuntu KDE apps won't accidentally be installed. [10:55] Qt/GTK mix and match UIs look like shit, seriously [10:56] at any rate [10:57] bluefoxicy: as usual, file bugs and write patches ;-) [10:57] If the solution to "we need X Y and Z easily available to the user because these are common things he will install" is "put it in gnome-app-install," you should probably fix the default page in Firefox to have a link to /usr/share/doc/something/getting_started.html or whatnot, and list the various things the user may like to install [10:58] complete with screenshots and step by step instructions of course ;) (if this is legal... is it legal to tell people to go install msttcorefonts?) [10:58] LaserJock: nods. I probably will. When I finish searching for the Sky Temple keys. === thunderstruck [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium_ [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@4.91-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lameiro [n=lameiro@201.52.243.185] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] mdz, you here perhaps? === stratus [n=ubuntu@200164163226.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ProN00b [n=dot@pD9E3B0D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] Should the edgy installer give me fd0 as a install choice? http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Jul29/b/EdgyInstallToFloppy.png [12:07] and is debian-installer the package to bug?