[12:23] <Signifer123> this is alot more calm than #ubuntu
[12:23] <Burgundavia> yep
[12:23] <LaserJock> heh
[03:17] <bddebian> Heya
[03:18] <mhz> hi, bddebian 
[03:18] <bddebian> Hello mhz
[04:07] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:07] <bddebian> Hello sbalneav
[04:07] <sbalneav> Good UTC-5 to you, bddebian!
[04:09] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav 
[04:09] <LaserJock> -5? I would've though you were -6
[04:09] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock!! How are you!
[04:09] <LaserJock> ok
[04:10] <LaserJock> how's it going up there?
[04:10] <LaserJock> a?
[04:11] <sbalneav> Going good!
[04:11] <sbalneav> On holidays!
[04:11] <LaserJock> cool
[04:15] <bddebian> LaserJock: That's funny because I was thinking EDT was -4 :)
[04:17] <LaserJock> bddebian: well, it depends on you're perspective. The Eastern US is that little chunk on the Atlantic Coast ;-)
[04:19] <bddebian> LaserJock: I'm wondering if I should just sync lyx?  THe last change was just me adding some xml files for mime handling but I got "yelled" at for my last xml files
[04:20] <lecaros> mhz 
[04:20] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah
[04:21] <bddebian> Oh, heh, wrong channel :-)
[04:24] <mhz> lecaros: again, for 100th time.. 
[04:24] <mhz> pong
[04:24] <mhz> :D
[05:24] <lecaros> hi Yagisan, how're your eyes?
[05:24] <Yagisan> G'day lecaros 
[05:24] <Yagisan> well, good news and bad news
[05:24] <lecaros> tell us :)
[05:25] <Yagisan> Good news is the eyes are fine. Bad news is it is a neuroligical (brain) problem
[05:25] <LaserJock> ?
[05:25] <Yagisan> apparently my eyes are better then fine, wich is a small comfit.
[05:25] <Yagisan> LaserJock, I see coloured spots that don't exist
[05:25] <lecaros> humnmm
[05:25] <LaserJock> you brain is making the spots?
[05:26] <Yagisan> apparently so. It apprears to be an "occular migrane" basically something goes wrong with the blood vessels in the vision part of my brain
[05:27] <LaserJock> is it treatable?
[05:29] <Yagisan> to be honest - as far as I know only by taking drugs every day - which I'm not keen on. I'm trying to get a neurologist appoitment set up
[05:30] <Yagisan> pretend I can spell
[05:30] <mhz> Hi there
[05:30] <LaserJock> pretend I can read ;-)
[05:30] <mhz> https://launchpad.net/people/mhz-esfera
[05:30] <mhz> How could that happen?
[05:31] <mhz> it even has all my initials
[05:31] <lecaros> jeje fuiste t...
[05:31] <mhz> and I do have an email account on Esfera server
[05:31] <mhz> lecaros: not that i know of
[05:31] <lecaros> and has your name, and surname
[05:32] <LaserJock> mhz: maybe you have a stalker :-)
[05:34] <mhz> geee! the problems we have for being so famous!!
[05:35] <lecaros> hahahaha, but it's Mauricio Hernandez Z., just like you
[07:52] <ball> hello ogra
[07:53] <ball> Anyone here happen to know what kind of boot ROM I might use to turn a PC into a graphical terminal for use with edubuntu?
[07:53] <ball> (I'm just going back to the "Getting Started" page now...
[07:54] <ball> ...but I thought I'd ask since I was here).
[07:56] <ogra> doesnt the card have PXE support ? 
[07:56] <ogra> try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BoothingThinClientsWithoutPXE 
[07:58] <ball> These will probably be pre-PXE machines.
[07:59] <ball> ...unless I buy new graphical terminals, which sounds expensive.
[08:01] <ball> ROM-o-matic.net looks useful.
[08:02] <ball> Hmm... need an EPROM programmer too, but those are handy things to have laying around anyway.
[08:10] <ball> Is it sensible to have the graphical terminals on a separate Ethernet than the one the "server" host will use to connect to the outside world?
[08:10] <ogra> yep
[08:11] <ball> hello arkan0x
[08:25] <ball> ogra: happen to know how large the EPROM should be, capacity-wise?
[08:25] <ogra> nope
[08:26] <ogra> but i guess bigger than the image you want to store on it would be a good start :)
[08:28] <ball> ogra: but I'm not sure what size Ethernet cards take.
[08:30] <ogra> have a look at the ltsp.org wiki ... its very likely there is some info
[08:31] <ball> thanks
[08:32] <Burgundavia> morning ogra
[08:33] <ogra> morning 
[08:38] <ball> Do people normally have hard disks in their graphical terminals for edubuntu then?
[08:39] <ogra> nope
[08:44] <ball> ogra: oh, PXE?
[08:45] <ogra> yep
[08:45] <ogra> and no disks
[08:46] <ball> having no disks is a Good Thing
[08:48] <ball> Oh well, I'm off to bed now.  Thanks for your help ogra.
[08:49] <ball> part #edubuntu thanks
[10:47] <Yagisan> G'day spacey. That server, it's not comming back is it ?
[10:55] <Burgundavia> ogra: is there a spec about an edubuntu grid?
[10:56] <ogra> grid ?
[10:56] <Burgundavia> load balancing on multiple edubuntu servers
[10:56] <ogra> nope
[10:57] <ogra> there is no sane solution for that yet
[10:57] <Burgundavia> my crack idea was to have it work across an entire lab, with a mix of thin and fat clients
[10:57] <Burgundavia> but that is just a little more work
[10:57] <ogra> talk to neuralis, he made a study about it
[10:58] <Burgundavia> just thought about it reading that email that mdz forwarded from debian-edu
[10:58] <ogra> you need to patch around a lot in th eernel 
[10:58] <ogra> *kernel
[10:59] <ogra> my plan is to once have it in automatically... but thats still far in the future ... wont happen until we have custering stuff in the kernel
[11:00] <Burgundavia> isn't that what fabbione keeps grinding away at?
[11:00] <ogra> nope
[11:00] <ogra> thats cluster filesystem 
[11:00] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:01] <ogra> which we could use as well, but wont help the issue
[11:01] <ogra> you eed something like openmosix (or the successor ... forgot the name)
[11:02] <ogra> as long as linus doesnt think about including it, our kernel wont have it
[11:03] <Burgundavia> yep, fun
[11:04] <lucasvo> is the cluster code really that bad? or why doesn't he like it?
[11:04] <ogra> its written for 2.4 and its intrusive ...
[11:04] <lucasvo> ah, yes. right, they haven't ported it to version 2.6
[11:05] <ogra> they have, but in a very crappy manner ... 
[11:05] <ogra> it needs a new implementation instead of a port 
[11:05] <ogra> it must honor 2.6 and fit in cleanly ... which the ported code doesnt
[11:06] <Yagisan> so true
[11:06] <Yagisan> that's why I dropped it when I went to 2.6
[11:07] <Yagisan> IIRC only one person is porting it (openmosix) to 2.6
[11:07] <lucasvo> ogra: but that ram-cluster will get included into edgy?
[11:08] <ogra> ram cluster ? 
[11:09] <lucasvo> sharing ram between clients and server?
[11:09] <lucasvo> cluster is the wrong term
[11:09] <ogra> how would that work ? 
[11:10] <ogra> if i could access the servers ram from a client, localdevices and direct alsa support would be trivial :) you could even use dri without the need for local apps
[11:10] <lucasvo> ogra: instead of storing tmp files in swap store it in the ram of a thin clien?
[11:10] <Yagisan> a virtual numa system ?
[11:11] <ogra> you mean a swap server
[11:11] <ogra> yes, rodarvus will implement that
[11:11] <lucasvo> exactly
[11:11] <ogra> but thats only exported swapfiles ... 
[11:11] <lucasvo> I'm about to buy a new cell phone, which one should I buy? 
[11:12] <Burgundavia> lucasvo: one with linux
[11:12] <lucasvo> :)
[11:12] <lucasvo> Burgundavia: as long as it is affordable and works in CH...
[11:20] <Yagisan> I spend 4 months trying to get a linux phone is OZ. Couldn't get one :(
[11:57] <Amaranth> ogra: looks like i'm going to have to tap into python-pam sooner than i thought
[11:58] <Amaranth> ogra: i have to switch to the willowng user on my own
[11:58] <Amaranth> or i could wimp out and create the pid file in the init script :P
[12:01] <pc22> hello all
[12:03] <Amaranth> hi
[12:05] <pc22>  whats the easiest ftp server to use (graphic) if ever?
[12:06] <pc22>  whats the easiest ftp server to use (graphic) if ever?
[12:06] <pc22> sorry
[12:07] <Amaranth> i don't think there is a graphical ftp server
[12:07] <pc22> ok
[12:09] <Amaranth> i think pure-ftpd uses your regular user accounts though
[12:09] <Amaranth> so it should largely be an install and forget kind of thing
[12:12] <Amaranth> is gthumb larger than f-spot?
[12:12] <Amaranth> it appears to be...
[12:17] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: gthumb also has the issue of being basically unmaintained
[12:17] <Amaranth> true
[12:17] <Amaranth> and i asked in the wrong channel :P
[12:17] <Amaranth> was reading #ubuntu-desktop then switched over here to talk for something reason
[12:17] <Burgundavia> it mostly all the same people anyway
[12:18] <Amaranth> the real problem is migration
[12:18] <Amaranth> yeah
[12:21] <Burgundavia> yep, but I heard from the hores mouth (lewing) that that problem would be solved within the edgy cycle
[12:22] <Burgundavia> anyway, I need to sleep
[12:22] <Burgundavia> night
[12:24] <ajmitch> Amaranth: depends what you need migrated
[12:25] <Amaranth> ajmitch: every piece of data in gthumb that has an equivalent in f-spot
[12:52] <Amaranth> oh wtf
[12:52] <Amaranth> now my app dies trying to close a non-existent fd
[01:00] <ajmitch> hi rodarvus 
[01:00] <rodarvus> good morning
[01:00] <rodarvus> hi ajmitch!
[01:06] <Amaranth> arg
[01:06] <Amaranth> so close, yet so far
[01:06] <Amaranth> got the init script figured out, python policy junk, now the two pieces won't speak to each other
[02:15] <pc22> good morning
[03:03] <sbalneav> morning all
[03:03] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[03:27] <rodarvus> sbalneav, morning!
[03:27] <sbalneav> Morning rodarvus!!!
[03:27] <sbalneav> How's it going?
[03:27] <highvoltage> hi rodarvus and sbalneav :)
[03:28] <sbalneav> hey highvoltage 
[03:28] <sbalneav> Where's not an infobot in this channel, is there?
[03:29] <highvoltage> there is one, with data, but not on the channe currently
[03:29] <highvoltage> i ran it off my pc when i still had an internet connection at home
[03:29] <highvoltage> wanna host it? :)
[03:29] <sbalneav> I was just going to say.  What kind is it, a supybot?
[03:29] <highvoltage> Knab
[03:29] <rodarvus> highvoltage, hi there!
[03:30] <highvoltage> Knab is very similar to infobot
[03:30] <sbalneav> Sure, I'd host it.  I host the ltspbot.
[03:30] <rodarvus> sbalneav, all fine - just lurking a little while on irc (and working too), while I wait for the wife to get ready ;)
[03:30] <highvoltage> rodarvus: i see from edgy-changes that you've settled into the new job quite nicely ;)
[03:30] <highvoltage> sbalneav: cool. I'll upload it when I'm back home on Friday
[03:31] <sbalneav> tarball it to sbalneav@ltsp.org
[03:31] <rodarvus> highvoltage, yeah, I have to - otherwise there will be thousands of users on my foot :)
[03:31] <highvoltage> people have been asking for edubuntu girl to be back for a long time.
[03:31] <rodarvus> well, wife is calling - gotta leave!
[03:31] <highvoltage> heh
[03:31] <rodarvus> see you all
[03:31] <highvoltage> bye!
[03:31] <sbalneav> nye
[03:31] <sbalneav> bye
[03:34] <sbalneav> well, popping up to make breakfast.  be on later.
[03:48] <bddebian> Howdy
[06:24] <trevor_> does anyone know a good way to set up a dual boot of windows xp and Ubuntu from seperate hard drives?
[06:27] <Yagisan> trevor_, have you tried the obvious ?
[06:27] <Yagisan> trevor_, install windows of fist disk
[06:28] <Yagisan> then install (ed/k)ubuntu on the second
[06:28] <Yagisan> and tell grub to install on the first disk ?
[06:28] <Yagisan> it might/might not work - but that would be the first thing I try
[06:29] <Yagisan> assuming I was paid enough to install windows ;)
[06:29] <mhz> and the wiki has tons of examples, i am sure
[06:29] <mhz> wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:30] <trevor_> i looked this up beforehand...and read an article by one guy who said NOT to install GRUB to the primary HD, and that it was possible to use 
[06:30] <trevor_> bootpart" from windows and edit the boot.ini
[06:31] <trevor_> any way to install GRUB to the windows disc without doing a clean sweep?
[06:32] <Yagisan> trevor_, what makes you think installing grub wipes your disk ?
[06:32] <trevor_> no, i mean without re-installing linux
[06:33] <Yagisan> trevor_, IIRC it's sudo grub-install <disk/to/install/on>
[06:34] <Yagisan> mhz, because their bootloader can't load two versions of windows without haveing issues
[06:34] <mhz> exactly!
[06:34] <mhz> that is why I say it is unfair. 
[06:35] <trevor_> okay, a second question. Say i treat my Linux as my primary drive, and windows as the slave...how do I make grub recognize the windows disc?
[06:35] <mhz> I remember that once a user got angry with me because I had no idea how to dual boot. He said "why are you here to give support then if you dont want to tell me how to dual boot?""
[06:36] <mhz> trevor_: grub will
[06:36] <trevor_> since I already have GRUB on the linux disc, i can just have that be my main boot
[06:37] <trevor_> and since I won't be transfering any files between the discs, i can keep them on the same IDE channel?
[06:37] <mhz> trevor_: what version of edubuntu are you planning to run?
[06:37] <trevor_> i am actually just runnign the plain Ubuntu
[06:37] <trevor_> 6.06 LTS
[06:38] <Yagisan> trevor_, oh, plain ubuntu ...
[06:38] <trevor_> difference?
[06:38] <mhz> trevor_: and how did you get to this channel?
[06:38] <trevor_> Konversation just pointed me this way
[06:38] <mhz> trevor_: well, not many, but diff objectives and spices
[06:39] <mhz> trevor_: Edubuntu is aimed to help teachers, students and lab admins to implement Lab solutions for schools and alike
[06:40] <mhz> hence, applications are aimed to educational purposes
[06:40] <trevor_> i am just a home user
[06:40] <trevor_> i have only really expirimented with linux via Live CDs before now...but took a liking to Ubuntu
[06:42] <Yagisan> trevor_,  it's best to let the (ed/k)ubuntu installer set up dual boot when you install it
[06:42] <trevor_> I guess I will try having Linux as my primary boot/OS and Windows the slave...if that doesn't work...continue doing the whole "crack the case open and manually fix it" thing
[06:43] <Yagisan> trevor_, you don't need to do that
[06:43] <Yagisan> trevor_, just install windows first (if needed)
[06:43] <Yagisan> then install (ed/k)ubuntu to the other drive
[06:44] <trevor_> just boot with GRUB instead of NTLDR from the main drive then?
[08:31] <bddebian> re
[08:39] <highvoltage> re
[08:39] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage
[08:39] <highvoltage> heya bddebian!
[08:41] <HedgeMage> Wow, I walk in and all the fun starts ;)
[08:42] <bddebian> Heh, hi HedgeMage
[08:42] <HedgeMage> hi bddebian :)
[09:16] <highvoltage> ugh, closed laptop lid as i picked it up :)
[09:50] <splashx> hey, could anyone explain why dvd iso is 3.3gb if cds (install and live) has ~700mb each one? 
[09:50] <splashx> i looked for the contents but i couldn't find a especific explanation..
[09:50] <splashx> .list file is too huge..
[09:51] <splashx> what else dvd iso has? :~
[09:51] <highvoltage> the DVD contains the entire 'main' section, afaik
[09:52] <splashx> well, i need to check what i'll need to use then..
[10:37] <pygi> HedgeMage, :)))))
[10:39] <mhz> hehehe
[10:40] <HedgeMage> hi pygi :)
[10:40] <pygi> hey mhz, HedgeMage ;)
[10:40] <mhz> the spray!!!
[10:40] <mhz> pygi: hi there
[10:41] <HedgeMage> I should be back for real about Tuesday
[10:41] <HedgeMage> Hubby is getting some leave from work :)
[10:41] <mhz> oh, nice
[10:41] <mhz> leaves are nice when love's around
[10:42] <mhz> pygi: !
[10:42] <mhz> come on!
[10:45] <mhz> HedgeMage: he did leave for good?
[11:03] <pygi> HedgeMage, please jabber, I need to talk to you about something