[03:17] <bddebian> Heya
[06:23] <Hobbsee> hi all
[06:23] <robotgeek> hey Hobbsee 
[06:23] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: :)
[06:24] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[06:25] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon, how's the machine?
[06:25] <imbrandon> being lazy lol, lemme add you an account, give me a few minutes
[06:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh
[06:25] <imbrandon> i'm vnc'd into my brothers machine atm helping him 
[06:25] <imbrandon> for a moment
[06:25] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:25] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[06:26] <imbrandon> he is converting from windows to kubuntu ;)
[06:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice!  :)
[06:29] <robotgeek> nice!
[06:29] <robotgeek> i used OS X for 3 weeks. now i am back on kubuntu 
[06:30] <imbrandon> heh i'm torn between osx and kubuntu
[06:31] <lnxkde> talking about osx
[06:31] <robotgeek> i really like kmail. and amarok :)
[06:32] <lnxkde> someone here using kxdocker or engage with compiz and xgl on kubuntu?
[06:32] <lnxkde> :P
[06:32] <Hobbsee> sounds scary.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: you manage to stop kmail crashing?  wow.
[06:32] <lnxkde> http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9413/snapshot1ge3.png <-- curent kubuntu system
[06:32] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: i'm still on dapper?
[06:33] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: that's when i was trying kmail.
[06:34] <robotgeek> hmm, to come to think of it, kmail died on me when i shoved 250mb of mail at it 
[06:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:38] <robotgeek> i now like to keep kmail's mail directory separate on another partition, where it is readable by mutt also :)
[06:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:39] <imbrandon> revolution os, heh i havent seen that movie in a while
[06:39] <imbrandon> good call
[06:39] <robotgeek> i have great difficulty using thunderbird after i've gotten used to kmail
[06:40] <Hobbsee> good point
[06:40] <robotgeek> the killer feature is the attachment thing, which reminds you if you have forgotten to attach files
[06:40] <imbrandon> i like thunderbird becouse i can use it on osx / windows and linux
[06:40] <robotgeek> you can get that in thunderbird via an extension
[06:41] <Hobbsee> ahh...i've learned to attach files first, then write the message afterwards - so i cant forget
[06:41] <Hobbsee> seeing as i use webmail every once in a while too
[06:42] <robotgeek> i usually dont use webmail, so not an issue for me. 
[06:42] <Hobbsee> lucky...i dotn take my laptop everywhere
[06:43] <imbrandon> heh , i take mine EVERYWHERE
[06:43] <imbrandon> thats the point of having it for me
[06:43] <imbrandon> otherwise i use desktopsa
[06:43] <imbrandon> s/a//
[06:43] <robotgeek> gmail is blocked at work, and i dont bring work email home
[06:44] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[06:45] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yea showoff kde at the uni ;)
[06:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh, could do that.
[06:45] <imbrandon> and koffice ;)
[06:45] <imbrandon> and knotes etc ;)
[06:59] <Hobbsee> how do you pin a package?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> !pin
[06:59] <ubotu> I know nothing about pin - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:59] <Hobbsee> !pinning
[06:59] <ubotu> pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PinningHowto
[06:59] <imbrandon> !pin is <alias> pinning
[06:59] <ubotu> I'll remember that
[06:59] <Hobbsee> !pin is <alias> pinning
[06:59] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:59] <Hobbsee> oh, darn you.
[07:00] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:44] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i've got an idiot question for you
[07:46] <imbrandon> sure one sec
[08:39] <freeflying|away> !libx11-6
[08:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about libx11-6 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:40] <freeflying|away> !info libx11-6
[08:40] <ubotu> libx11-6: X11 client-side library. In repository main, is optional. Version 2:1.0.0-0ubuntu9 (dapper), package size 693 kB, installed size 3368 kB
[08:41] <imbrandon> !info libx11-6 edgy
[08:42] <ubotu> libx11-6: X11 client-side library. In repository main, is optional. Version 2:1.0.3-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 553 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[09:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah.
[09:01] <imbrandon> kk
[09:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: why do you have a k7 kernel installed on what is showing as an i686 machine?
[09:01] <imbrandon> its not 686 , cat /proc/cpuinfo
[09:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ahhh...according to uname -a it is
[09:02] <imbrandon> amd64 3400+
[09:02] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:02] <Hobbsee> hmmm okay
[09:02] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:02] <imbrandon> its actualy a k8 proc but 
[09:02] <imbrandon> i dident want 64bit
[09:03] <imbrandon> hehe cool
[09:03] <imbrandon> i'm loading dapper on my lappy 
[09:03] <imbrandon> so i have atleaste __one_stable machine to check my mail etc heh
[09:05] <imbrandon> and watch sg-1 epsodes on ( since season 10 just started ) heh
[09:06] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: is there a "craigslist" for sydney ? reason i ask is i found some great deals on apple lappys on there
[09:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: a what?  no idea...
[09:06] <imbrandon> you might check that ;)
[09:06] <imbrandon> ahh its like a garage sale on the internet
[09:07] <imbrandon> one for all major cities
[09:07] <Hobbsee> ahh...
[09:07] <imbrandon> leaste in the US, i'll check if they have a sydney one
[09:08] <imbrandon> haha matter of fact they do, thats cool
[09:08] <Hobbsee> where at?
[09:08] <Hobbsee> ahh
[09:08] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: http://sydney.craigslist.org/ <-- main url ....... check http://sydney.craigslist.org/sys
[09:08] <imbrandon> for computer stuff
[09:09] <imbrandon> pretty good place to get stuff, becouse you can physicaly check it out before you buy it
[09:09] <imbrandon> becouse its local 99% of the time
[09:10] <Hobbsee> oh nice :)
[09:10] <imbrandon> heh yea i find most of my computers that way
[09:10] <imbrandon> lots cheaper
[09:10] <Hobbsee> the salesperson asked if i did a subject at the uni, whcih i had - he recognised me
[09:10] <imbrandon> heheh
[09:12] <Hobbsee> i'm like "yeah, i got a distinction in it"  "oh wow!"
[09:12] <imbrandon> heh, distinction == good ?
[09:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it goes, from top to bottom:  high distinction, distinction, credit, pass, conceded pass, fail
[09:13] <imbrandon> ahh ok , cool
[09:13] <imbrandon> ohh cruft your still on intrepid heh
[09:13] <Hobbsee> yeah.
[09:13] <imbrandon> i forgot to add you to voyager
[09:13] <imbrandon> lol
[09:13] <Hobbsee> meany :(
[09:13] <imbrandon> one sec
[09:13] <imbrandon> hehe give me a sec
[09:17] <danimo> moin!
[09:18] <Hobbsee> hi danimo!
[09:18] <imbrandon> ok Hobbsee grab anything you need off intrepid and logout for the last time, lemme know when your off
[09:19] <danimo> heya Hobbsee!
[09:19] <imbrandon> heya danimo
[09:19] <danimo> hi imbrandon
[09:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: just the simflight*.deb in /var/cache/pbuilder/edgy/result
[09:20] <imbrandon> heh copy it to /media/server/hobbsee
[09:20] <imbrandon> you will be able to grab it from there off voyager
[09:20] <imbrandon> i have /media/server mapped on all the comuters
[09:21] <imbrandon> anyhow when you have everything copied you want lemme know i'll shutdown intrepid and transfer the ssh ports to voyager
[09:21] <Tm_T> hmmmh
[09:22] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: like to test something simple?
[09:22] <Tm_T> or anyone with KDE 3.5.4
[09:22] <imbrandon> Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.17-5-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), , RAM: 627/1003MB, 103 proc's, 6.40h up
[09:23] <imbrandon> i'm on 354 wasup ?
[09:23] <Tm_T> just try to use custom titlebar button settings
[09:23] <imbrandon> i do
[09:23] <imbrandon> thats one of the first things i set
[09:23] <Tm_T> that's one of main problems here, over half of windeco settings doesn't apply
[09:24] <imbrandon> hrm i use the akdc kwin windeco
[09:24] <imbrandon> that might be part of it 
[09:24] <Tm_T> I tried many
[09:24] <imbrandon> hrm strange
[09:24] <Tm_T> indeed
[09:25] <imbrandon> and see
[09:25] <Tm_T> almost like som parts of kwinrc is skipped while reading
[09:25] <imbrandon> seems to work for me here, let me fiddle with another engine
[09:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: havent transferred stuff yet
[09:25] <imbrandon> and see
[09:25] <Tm_T> imbrandon: thanks
[09:25] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: thats fine, just lemme know when
[09:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: did you have my last lot of backup?
[09:26] <imbrandon> what ever is in /media/server/hobbsee is what i have backed up for you from your /home
[09:26] <imbrandon> its not recient
[09:26] <imbrandon> the pbuilder etc i have all setup already on voyager
[09:26] <imbrandon> just not your /home stuff
[09:26] <Hobbsee> right, so i'll need the profile
[09:27] <Hobbsee> sigh.  can i kill off bluefoxicy please?
[09:27] <imbrandon> yea honestly i would rm -rf /media/server/hobbsee/* and just copy what you want like your .gnupg and .bash*
[09:27] <imbrandon> and any deb's you just built
[09:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: having trouble connecting in again
[09:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i can tell you where the stuff is, if you want
[09:28] <imbrandon> kk one sec lemme login to it
[09:28] <imbrandon> k i'm in
[09:28] <imbrandon> what ya need ?
[09:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: okay, .bash_profile and .bashrc
[09:29] <Hobbsee> ~/.gnupg
[09:30] <Hobbsee> and /var/cache/pbuilder/edgy/result/simgear*.deb
[09:30] <imbrandon> k
[09:30] <imbrandon> gimme just a sec
[09:30] <imbrandon> meanwhile think of a good name for my lappy hehe
[09:31] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:32] <imbrandon> http://pastebin.ca/106294  <-- anything else ?
[09:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: scritps in /usr/local/bin?
[09:33] <imbrandon> ahh yea one sec
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:34] <Hobbsee> dont make me write them again :P
[09:34] <imbrandon> heh i have them all already cept {dapper,revu,edgy}build
[09:35] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'd just get them, and overwrite them or something.
[09:35] <Hobbsee> it doesnt really matter
[09:36] <imbrandon> well i modified the pbuilder-* to use the US mirrors and not the gb/jp/au ones it had
[09:36] <imbrandon> heh
[09:36] <Hobbsee> ah right
[09:36] <imbrandon> so i'll keep those and just get the *build ones
[09:36] <Hobbsee> yep
[09:37] <imbrandon> brandon@intrepid:/usr/local/bin$ sudo cp -Rv {dapper,revu,edgy}build /media/server/hobbsee/
[09:37] <imbrandon> `dapperbuild' -> `/media/server/hobbsee/dapperbuild'
[09:37] <imbrandon> `revubuild' -> `/media/server/hobbsee/revubuild'
[09:37] <imbrandon> `edgybuild' -> `/media/server/hobbsee/edgybuild'
[09:37] <imbrandon> kk done
[09:37] <imbrandon> think thats it
[09:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool
[09:38] <imbrandon> your gonna have to clean out your ~/.ssh/known_hosts file again or it will complain
[09:38] <imbrandon> ( localy )
[09:38] <imbrandon> seaLne: kerry is mono isnt it ?
[09:38] <imbrandon> heh
[09:38] <seaLne> is it?
[09:39] <imbrandon> i think so
[09:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yep, cool, okay
[09:43] <imbrandon> ok Hobbsee login
[09:43] <imbrandon> should be all ready
[09:47] <seaLne> its a pity basket 0.6 probably won't be ready for edgy as it looks so much nicer
[09:47] <seaLne> (than tomboy)
[09:48] <Hobbsee> seaLne: when will it be ready?
[09:48] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: once your in just grab the files from /media/server/hobbsee
[09:48] <seaLne> http://basket.kde.org/development.php no idea
[09:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: they seem to be there...
[09:48] <Hobbsee> oh.
[09:48] <Hobbsee> oops.
[09:48] <imbrandon> heh just the defaults are there
[09:49] <imbrandon> i dident copy them to your new /home yet
[09:49] <imbrandon> hehehe
[09:50] <imbrandon> since i fixed the mirrors and for pbuilder and the fact voyager has more ram it should build faster
[09:51] <Hobbsee> oh yay.
[09:52] <seaLne> Riddell: is there going to be a meeting tommorow?
[09:53] <Hobbsee> seaLne: hopefully not.
[09:53] <Hobbsee> seaLne: and it's still a bit early for Riddell 
[09:53] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, we were having trouble with times.
[09:53] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: you might want to pbuilder-edgy update too i havent done it since yesterday
[09:56] <imbrandon> new version ?
[09:57] <Hobbsee> that i had locally
[09:59] <Hobbsee> ooh, colour prompt!
[09:59] <imbrandon> heh
[10:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: thanks :)
[10:07] <imbrandon> hehe np
[10:07] <imbrandon> this is my day to day machine though try not to botch it up with dist-upgrades ;)
[10:07] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:07] <Hobbsee> yay for screen.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> bye all
[10:16] <seaLne> hmm "09:07 < Hobbsee> yay for screen." and "09:10 < Hobbsee> bye all" don't make sense :)
[10:17] <imbrandon> seaLne: heh why ?
[10:18] <seaLne> i was expecting her to have started ircing from within screen :)
[10:19] <seaLne> my first coffee of the day is now ready so i may make more sense shortly
[10:20] <imbrandon> ahh no she is building on voyager with screen 
[10:20] <imbrandon> for the yay , then i guess hse had to run ;)
[10:37] <seaLne> when is universe freeze, i can't find the page on the wiki with dates
[10:40] <seaLne> ah found it
[11:08] <Tm_T> MMMOOOOH
[11:09] <Tm_T> ok, now every "tip of the day" or "first run wizard" are active
[11:10] <Tm_T> some weird kdelibs issue
[11:16] <Tm_T> AERGH! just noticed, all my input actions are gone
[11:18] <imbrandon> he
[11:18] <imbrandon> heh
[12:08] <toma> mo
[12:14] <Tm_T> moin
[12:17] <toma> mo Hobbsee
[12:17] <Hobbsee> hi toma 
[12:20] <danimo> wb Hobbsee
[12:20] <Hobbsee> hi danimo 
[12:20] <Hobbsee> yay, it built.
[12:20] <danimo> Hobbsee: did the wpa key hint help?
[12:20] <Hobbsee> danimo: havent tried it - didnt feel like fighting it last night when i was very tired
[12:20] <Hobbsee> i'm thinking kde sessions is mucking this card up, actually.  we'll see.
[12:37] <danimo> Hobbsee: which card?
[12:58] <toma> Hobbsee: could you review a new package for me? Whenever I succeed debianising it?
[01:13] <toma> The pbuilder howto tells me to "sudo pbuilder build my-package_1.0.dsc", but how do i get a .dsc?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> ahhh....yes...that's why i dont like using pbuilder as such, but use pdebuild.
[01:16] <Hobbsee> danimo: ah, a netgear wg511 v2 made in china, and a dlink dwl-660
[01:16] <Hobbsee> Sime: yay!
[01:16] <Hobbsee> Sime: when do we see it?
[01:16] <Sime> Hobbsee: there is a spec for it...
[01:16] <danimo> Hobbsee: dlink, netgear, the pure evil :)
[01:16] <Sime> Hobbsee: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSystemSettingsUsability
[01:16] <Hobbsee> danimo: dlink isnt so bad....
[01:16] <Hobbsee> danimo: netgear, with a marvell driver though...
[01:17] <Hobbsee> danimo: the real problem is that it doesnt like my network - it was workign fine in this machine while i was out, but not at home
[01:17] <danimo> Hobbsee: I had my very special expririence, with a dlink router though
[01:19] <Hobbsee> Sime: looks good
[01:19] <Sime> Hobbsee: the implementation is now pretty close to the mock up. :)
[01:19] <Hobbsee> Sime: yay :
[01:19] <Hobbsee> )
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Sime: at least the theme support needs some love - you probably already know that
[01:24] <Sime> Hobbsee: you mean the theme manager?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> Sime: sorry, yeah.
[01:24] <Hobbsee> Sime: people get confused a lot in dapper, saying "how can i install a theme"
[01:24] <Hobbsee> Sime: that should probably be rectified somehow - whether there's a help text on the side, or a help button, or what.
[01:24] <Sime> Hobbsee: yeah, I don't think it is in dapper. not sure if it is planned for edgy
[01:25] <Hobbsee> Sime: oh it's in dapper, no question - it's just that the differnet parts of the theme are treated separately
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Sime: so you can install a theme of colours, a theme of icons, a theme of windecos...but no way to install "a theme" of all the bits together, and it's obviously not terribly obvious that you're to download and install each bit separately.
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Sime: i mean, i figured that out, but a lot of our users in #kubuntu havent - and that's probably worth fixing.
[01:26] <Hobbsee> is anyone else's kmenu buggered - ie, not updating?
[01:27] <Sime> yeah, mines rooted. :-)
[01:27] <Hobbsee> right....thought it might be
[01:27] <Hobbsee> hi apachelogger 
[01:28] <apachelogger> ahoy Hobbsee
[01:28] <Sime> Hobbsee: sorry, I had to laugh. There is only one country that uses the word "buggered" like that. ;-)
[01:29] <Hobbsee> gah.  and i was going to use "screwed" instead, but thought better of it.
[01:30] <Hobbsee> anyway, s/buggered/broken.
[01:30] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:30] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: could you please change ...including xmms, noatun, kscd, juk, kaffeine and amarok.   --->  including Amarok, XMMS, Noatun, KsCD, JuK and Kaffeine.
[01:30] <Sime> I've come to like the "bitched". i.e my menu is complete bitched.
[01:30] <Sime> the word ^
[01:31] <Sime> anyway, about the theme manager. I don't know if it is on Riddell's TODO list for edgy.
[01:31] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: kopete control file that is ^^
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Sime: not that we really need a theme manager in itself - the current one is good - but it's not obvious in how to use it.
[01:32] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: it's in main now - grab source, change whatever you like, put it on revu :)
[01:32] <apachelogger> oh-kay :D
[01:33] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: did what i say go totally over your head?
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Sime: open it up one day.  it's under appearances - see the buttons marked "import" or something similar
[01:34] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: well, I coded yesterday 8 hours in ruby ;-)
[01:34] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: nice!
[01:34] <Hobbsee> that would go over my head, no questoin.
[01:34] <Sime> Hobbsee: :-> not any more it ain't. The theme manager isn't in Ellen's new sys-settings menu structure...
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Sime: ah.  right.
[01:35] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: hehe, at least that damn plugin for insanity @ #amarok is now kind of working :)
[01:35] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: hehe, nice.  which plugin was that?
[01:35] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: advanced bar plugin
[01:35] <Hobbsee> !flash
[01:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:36] <Hobbsee> ah right
[01:36] <apachelogger> so one can order stuff
[01:36] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:36] <apachelogger> though it ends one day :P
[01:36] <toma> okay, that worked
[01:39] <imbrandon>   *cough* and include kdm theme manager from kde-look.org *cough*
[01:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: didnt we include that?
[01:39] <imbrandon> yea themes in kde need a little love though, i have had to fuge them alot with the royale and osx theme 
[01:39] <Hobbsee> oh, maybe not.
[01:39] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: not in dapper, havent looked in edgy
[01:40] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: can you shoot me an email about that please?
[01:40] <imbrandon> sure
[01:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: thanks.
[01:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: know if the latest version is 1.1?
[01:42] <imbrandon> something close to that yea
[01:45] <Riddell> seaLne: no meeting planned
[01:45] <Hobbsee> argh, how do you find if anything doesnt have any build-deps outside of main, apart from building a chroot and testing it that way?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell!
[01:45] <Riddell> morning
[01:46] <imbrandon> moins Riddell
[01:46] <imbrandon> bbiab yall switching to lappy
[01:46] <Riddell> Sime: theme manager is probably just a case of removing the buttons to launch the other kcontrol modules, then it can be added in
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: could we get kcontrol-kdmtheme installed by default?
[01:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hmm, yet another kcontrol module
[01:47] <Riddell> would be ok if it was part of the default kdm module
[01:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: add it to the appearance stuff.
[01:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: or in that.  do we have a working kdm default module?
[01:49] <Riddell> it was working last I used it
[01:49] <Riddell> which wasn't recently, but I've not heard any problems with it
[01:49] <Hobbsee> it's been a while since i have, so okay.
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how do we fix a borked arts?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it doesnt generate any sort of useful backtrace.
[01:51] <seaLne> Riddell: k
[01:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: revert back to 1.5.2 I guess
[01:52] <Sime> speaking of arts... does anyone have mp3s working in arts or notuan? (not amorak, it uses the xine backend for mp3)
[01:53] <Riddell> you'll need libakode2-mpeg and/or libarts1-mpeglib
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Sime: er...how do you get mp3's working in arts, per se?  as far as i know, arts is not a music plaer
[01:53] <Hobbsee> *player
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hmmm...okay...did you want the backtrace?  it really is borked and useless.
[01:54] <Hobbsee> it even says so itself :P
[01:54] <Riddell> I get the crash too
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, okay.
[01:54] <Sime> Hobbsee: I'm with apps that use arts as a backend.
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Sime: yep, right.
[01:55] <Sime> Hobbsee: from what I understand, mp3 decode normally happens inside arts itself (in an arts plugin)
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Sime: true.  i think.  i really dont know though
[02:03] <Lathiat> yeh it is
[02:03] <Hobbsee> !show libdvdread3 edgy
[02:03] <ubotu> I know nothing about show libdvdread3 edgy - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:03] <Hobbsee> !info libdvdread3 edgy
[02:03] <ubotu> libdvdread3: library for reading DVDs. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.9.6-1 (edgy), package size 53 kB, installed size 196 kB
[02:04] <danimo> suse even patched it out of kde
[02:04] <danimo> (3)
[02:04] <Hobbsee> yay.  i'll need an uploader for that, i suspect.
[02:04] <insanekane> danimo: what does suse kde use instead ?
[02:04] <danimo> insanekane: an early version of phonon, back then developed for kde 3
[02:04] <insanekane> danimo: aha ok
[02:05] <danimo> insanekane: causes a lot less trouble with other sound applications it seems 
[02:05] <insanekane> danimo: havent they given the patches back to kde so that they can be applied in kubuntu as well ?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> woo!  i can fix two bugs at once for this, i think.
[02:05] <danimo> insanekane: but it's fairly intrusive of course
[02:05] <danimo> insanekane: well, the patches are public 
[02:05] <danimo> insanekane: they did come from kde in first place
[02:05] <insanekane> danimo: aha ok
[02:06] <insanekane> danimo: so why wasnt it applied ?
[02:06] <danimo> insanekane: but I think it would be easiset to pull the latest version from the suse rpms
[02:06] <danimo> insanekane: because Riddell thinks it's too intrusive
[02:06] <insanekane> intrusive in the sense ? apps stop working ?
[02:06] <danimo> insanekane: well, if anyone's heart is on noatun... ;)
[02:07] <danimo> Riddell: what was your reason?
[02:09] <Riddell> danimo: for what?
[02:10] <Riddell> hmm, phonon in kde 3, hmm
[02:10] <danimo> Riddell: it used to be called different
[02:10] <danimo> Riddell: but it uses xine as a playerbackend afaik
[02:10] <Riddell> using an unreleased version of an API/library makes me nervous
[02:11] <danimo> Riddell: well, it's not a public api anyway
[02:11] <danimo> not meant to be a..
[02:11] <danimo> Riddell: it is a workaround for sure
[02:11] <danimo> but one would have to try and see if it's worth it
[02:12] <Hobbsee> after all, it is edgy, and we've just discovered at arts is fubar'd at current version
[02:13] <danimo> Hobbsee: that took you quite a while... ;)
[02:13] <Hobbsee> danimo: hmmm?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> danimo: i was examining libdvdread.
[02:13] <danimo> Hobbsee: oh, inside the kde project, arts is considered dead for a long time
[02:13] <Hobbsee> danimo: yeah, exactly
[02:13] <danimo> Hobbsee: we just can't help releasing it to maintain b/c
[02:14] <Hobbsee> b/c?
[02:14] <danimo> Hobbsee: that's why I was joking about it taking you until edgy to realize
[02:14] <danimo> Hobbsee: oh, binary compatible
[02:14] <Hobbsee> oh
[02:14] <Hobbsee> ahh...
[02:14] <danimo> and source (read: API) compatible
[02:14] <danimo> we cannot just take away an API in KDE
[02:14] <danimo> if a distributor does it, that's fine
[02:14] <danimo> as long as he and his users can live with it
[02:14] <Hobbsee> are they not releasing their sources or something?
[02:15] <danimo> Hobbsee: who?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> danimo: whoever is the one who is in charge of the binaries
[02:16] <danimo> Hobbsee: no, I think you misunderstood
[02:16] <danimo> Hobbsee: the KDE project committed to maintain binary compatiblity across minor releases
[02:17] <danimo> Hobbsee: to exactly avoid the need of say, recompiling all apps only because someone upgraded the kdelibs
[02:17] <danimo> Hobbsee: so recompiling is not an option
[02:17] <Hobbsee> danimo: ahhh...right.
[02:17] <Hobbsee> danimo: yes, i did then
[02:19] <danimo> Hobbsee: all KDE needs arts for is noatun and the kde system sounds
[02:19] <Hobbsee> yeah, right.  those system sounds.  grumble.
[02:20] <danimo> Hobbsee: noatun is not shipped by default at least, and the kde system sounds work just fine with the drop-in replacement
[02:20] <danimo> Hobbsee: which uses xine
[02:20] <danimo> Hobbsee: and libxine is in main, no?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> true
[02:20] <Hobbsee> nice
[02:20] <Hobbsee> ah, yeah, it is
[02:21] <danimo> Hobbsee: less problems, at the price of switching an onofficially unsupported piece of software to an officially unsupported one :)
[02:21] <danimo> from an unofficially...
[02:21] <Hobbsee> danimo: Riddell's the one you need to convince :P
[02:22] <danimo> Hobbsee: I need to take over the rest of the channel first ;)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> danimo: heh
[02:22] <danimo> seriously, though: Riddell: would you have a look at it?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> oh yay.  i need to get a 16mb source, because i cant remember a command that i want to use.  grumble.
[02:25] <danimo> Hobbsee: see, he ignores me ;)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> danimo: he's busy, and it's a sunday.  he'll come back.
[02:26] <danimo> Hobbsee: only one more day :)
[02:26] <danimo> Hobbsee: yeah, I was kiddin
[02:26] <Hobbsee> danimo: he ignores me too, at times, you know
[02:26] <Hobbsee> yeah, fortunately :P
[02:26] <danimo> quick, someone donate Hobbsee a flat rate
[02:27] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: how come?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> mhb: i fixed the bug!
[03:31] <mhb> THE bug? :o)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> well, a bug.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> the one that makes the dvd support not properly install
[03:32] <Hobbsee> i just need an uploader for it... *pokes Riddell*
[03:33] <mhb> that reminds me of the bug I have to solve :o)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> mhb: hehe, which one?
[03:34] <mhb> Hobbsee: in my own code ... (a tiny contribution to mountconfig, not even worth mentioning :o)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> mhb: ah.  well...
[03:37] <mhb> Hobbsee: yeah, I should stop chatting and get back to work :o)
[03:37] <Hobbsee> mhb: heh.  chatting is good ;)
[03:38] <Hobbsee> what bug shall i fix next?  hmmm...
[03:41] <toma> is there someone on edgy that can check if a package installs?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> toma: yeah, which one?
[03:43] <toma> Hobbsee: http://kubuntu.omat.nl/edgy/
[03:44] <toma> 39K only
[03:45] <Hobbsee> toma: yep, that's installable
[03:45] <toma> Hobbsee: oki, thanks
[03:48] <bddebian> Hello
[03:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hi
[03:48] <toma> hi bddebian
[03:48] <Hobbsee> heya Riddell.  you're in luck, i bugged zul, so you wont have to upload for me :P
[03:48] <bddebian> Hello toma, Riddell
[03:49] <Hobbsee> assuming we can make it work
[03:49] <Riddell> danimo: I've not looked at replacing arts no, mostly because it would be a patch I'd have to maintain
[03:50] <danimo> Hobbsee: so, there you go
[03:52] <Hobbsee> oh yay.  oo.o is still broken.
[03:54] <danimo> Hobbsee: yeah
[03:55] <danimo> Hobbsee: I am building Qt 4.2 on dapper now. I really should package it though
[03:55] <Hobbsee> for dapper?  why
[03:55] <danimo> Hobbsee: no, edgy
[03:55] <danimo> sorry
[03:56] <danimo> Hobbsee: I can't just take the old dsc file, since the QtDbus stuff would require me to extend it
[03:56] <Riddell> danimo: qt-copy is packaged as qt4-x11-kdecopy in edgy, but it's failed to build on the buildds and I'm not sure why
[03:56] <danimo> Riddell: ah, ok
[03:56] <danimo> Riddell: now that's not good
[03:56] <danimo> Riddell: since it compiled fine for me
[03:57] <danimo> or compiles so far
[03:57] <danimo> Riddell: is threre a way to see the build logs?
[03:58] <Riddell> it compiled fine for me locally, something about the buildd setup is making it break
[03:58] <danimo> ah, ok
[03:58] <Riddell> http://librarian.launchpad.net/3643847/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.qt4-x11-kdecopy_4.2.0~svn20060706-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[03:58] <danimo> 4.4 MB? *yikes*
[03:59] <Riddell> the error will be near the end :)
[03:59] <danimo> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/lib/libQtDBus.so': No such file or directory
[03:59] <danimo> yes, so the libQtBus stuff is causing it headaches
[04:00] <danimo> Riddell: and applying the patches seems to go wild
[04:00] <Riddell> hmm
[04:01] <Riddell> so if I just remove that file from the list that need to go into the .debs it should be ok
[04:02] <danimo> Riddell: I think the problem is deeper down in the build process
[04:02] <danimo> Riddell: because we ultimately need that lib, no? :)
[04:03] <Riddell> yeah, it must be missing some dbus dependency
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when were you wanting another meeting, btw?
[04:07] <Riddell> week on wednesday?
[04:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, 2100UTC?
[04:08] <Riddell> yeah
[04:09] <Hobbsee> s
[04:10] <Riddell> I can't remember, what was it for?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kopete fixes
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: with mdz 
[04:11] <danimo> bah, konvi crash
[04:12] <danimo> Riddell: thanks for taking care about aaa 4
[04:12] <Riddell> it did need some taking care of that
[04:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not too sure, I seem to remember uploading it
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it doesnt seem to be in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kdenetwork/+builds
[04:13] <Riddell> Accepted kdenetwork 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6.1 (source)
[04:13] <Riddell> it must still be in the to be approved queue
[04:14] <Riddell> we'll need to poke an ubuntu-archive member
[04:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: want to do it when they're around.  i'm going to go to bed....
[04:14] <Riddell> yep
[04:14] <Hobbsee> but we probably should get that fixed.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where can we see the approved queue?
[04:15] <Riddell> I don't know if we can
[04:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: we can see new, not sure about approved though.
[04:16] <Riddell> this is different from NEW though I think
[04:16] <Riddell> it's not in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+queue
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay
[04:29] <freeflying|away> Riddell: bug 54522 will you review the patch?
[04:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54522 in libx11 "wine under zh_CN.UTF-8 locales performs too slow" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54522
[04:36] <Sime> mhb: hi
[04:37] <mhb> Sime: remember me? :o)
[04:38] <mhb> Sime: I started to work on the smbfs -> cifs port, but my samba server was down, so I couldn't test it
[04:39] <Sime> mhb: ok
[04:40] <mhb> Sime: but it seems to work now
[04:41] <Sime> mhb: network browsing inside mountconfig works and you can select a share and it gets the address right etc etc?
[04:42] <mhb> Sime: yeah
[04:42] <mhb> Sime: the browsing is the same
[04:42] <mhb> Sime: it only rewrites the output address
[04:42] <Sime> mhb: ok, good
[04:44] <mhb> Sime: I'll send you the diff
[04:44] <Sime> mhb: good, simon@simonzone.com
[04:47] <Hobbsee> night all
[04:47] <mhb> Sime: btw: nobody complained before about the fact that "smbfs" was not present in Kubuntu by default, but was used in mountconfig?
[04:47] <Sime> mhb: nope,
[04:49] <danimo> does anyone know a host that deliberately still runs an echo service?
[04:50] <Riddell> I don't even know what that is
[04:50] <danimo> Riddell: port 7, echo's all input
[04:50] <danimo> Riddell: quite a paradise for DoS'es, hence usually disabled
[04:51] <danimo> Riddell: but it comes in handy sometimes
[04:55] <mhb> Sime: one moment please
[04:55] <pygi> kwwii, hey ;)
[04:55] <mhb> Sime: Kubuntu behaves weird when I insert the line through mountconfig
[04:56] <kwwii> howdy pygi
[05:00] <pygi> how is you kwwii ?
[05:00] <mhb> Sime: it's an interesting problem
[05:01] <mhb> Sime: the "cifs" filesystem doesn't accept the "user" option
[05:02] <mhb> Sime: because it uses the "user=" option as an alias to "username="
[05:02] <mhb> (at least the documentation suggests that)
[05:06] <mhb> Sime: but even "smbfs" refuses to mount directly as an user because: 
[05:06] <mhb> Sime: smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[05:08] <kwwii> pygi: really busy, unfortunately
[05:08] <kwwii> pygi: and you?
[05:08] <pygi> kwwii, eh, sorry to hear that :-/
[05:09] <pygi> kwwii, I am good, relaxing a little today
[05:09] <pygi> it was a hard week, tho some good things did happen :)
[05:09] <kwwii> hehe, lucky you :-)
[05:10] <pygi> kwwii, hehe :)
[05:13] <pygi> kwwii, http://libburn.pykix.org/wiki :)
[05:15] <kwwii> nifty...although I do not have an optical disk
[05:16] <pygi> =P
[05:16] <pygi> bon appetit
[05:16] <kwwii> thanks :-)
[05:16] <Sime> mhb: smbmnt isn't installed suid on kubuntu I'm guessing?
[05:20] <mhb> Sime: sure, that's the reason why smbfs won't mount as user
[05:20] <mhb> Sime: but cifs won't mount as well
[05:21] <Sime> mhb: cifs will work as root still?
[05:21] <mhb> Sime: yeah, no problem as root
[05:21] <mhb> Sime: or through the Enable/Disable mountconfig dialog
[05:22] <mhb> (if you use sudo, of course)
[05:22] <Sime> mhb: Does that problem only apply to cifs and smbfs? or do other mount helper programs need suid too?
[05:25] <mhb> Sime: cifs and smbfs both don't use the core "mount", but their own mount commands
[05:25] <mhb> Sime: mount.cifs and smbmount, I think
[05:25] <Sime> mhb: some other file systems use helpers too.
[05:27] <mhb> maybe so
[05:28] <mhb> Sime: I have only mount.smb and mount.cifs installed, though
[05:28] <mhb> Sime: if you can point me to the specific filesystems, I'll check them 
[05:28] <mhb> Sime: name some that use helpers
[05:29] <Sime> mhb: looking on my system, that appears to be all of them.
[05:31] <Sime> a storm is coming through here right now
[05:32] <mhb> Sime: where are you?
[05:33] <Sime> Nijmegen, NL
[05:35] <mhb> Sime: I sent you the diff... if there is something wrong, let me know
[05:37] <mhb> Sime: I still need to fix the user mounting
[05:38] <Sime> mhb: thanks
[05:38] <mhb> Sime: no problem
[05:39] <Sime> mhb: the whole smbfs+cifs problem affects dapper (you're not using edgy?)
[05:40] <mhb> Sime: I have them both
[05:41] <mhb> Sime: and Firefox refused to load last week, so I was using dapper
[05:41] <mhb> Sime: I'll check it
[05:41] <mhb> Sime: I'll be right back
[05:51] <mhb> I'm back (Edgy Eft)
[05:52] <mhb> Sime: smbmnt lacks SUID in Edgy, too
[05:53] <mhb> Sime: cifs reports: mount error 1 = Operation not permitted
[05:56] <Sime> mhb: :-/ I'm not sure if it is worth trying to do something about this in the gui.
[06:00] <mhb> Sime: probably not
[06:01] <mhb> Sime: the only thing that bothers me is that when I add the line through mountconfig, the KDE media pop-up will appear
[06:02] <mhb> Sime: and when I want to display the folder, it shows an error
[06:03] <Sime> mhb: mmmmmm... you mean the "What do you want to do with this disk?" popup?
[06:03] <mhb> Sime: that one
[06:06] <mhb> Sime: when I mount it through mountconfig (that works fine), the icon on the desktop doesn't look like it should
[06:07] <mhb> Sime: and when I want to access the drive through the icon (note that it's mounted ok), Konqueror displays Could not mount device.
[06:07] <mhb> " The reported error was: "
[06:07] <mhb> and that's it
[06:13] <mhb> Sime: OK, I'll try to RT(F)M some more :o)
[06:25] <Sime> mhb: I'm just looking at your patch. The line: nmboutput = os.popen("nmblookup "+ parts[0] ,"r") 
[06:25] <Sime> mhb: can you change that to:
[06:26] <Sime> mhb: nmboutput = os.popen(["nmblookup",parts[0] ] ,"r")
[06:26] <Sime> mhb: and see if it still works.
[06:26] <Sime> mhb: I'm just being paranoid about the security aspects of that line.
[06:29] <mhb> Sime: sure
[06:30] <Sime> mhb: os.popen() will go through a shell if you're not careful. (-> danger)
[06:31] <mhb> Sime: I think I understand
[06:33] <mhb> Sime: TypeError: popen() argument 1 must be string, not list
[06:34] <Sime> mhb: weird, the docs say something different. http://docs.python.org/lib/os-newstreams.html
[06:34] <mhb> Sime: I'm looking at it too
[06:34] <Sime> mhb: "Also, for each of these variants, on Unix, cmd may be a sequence..."
[06:36] <mhb> Sime: maybe it's just for the following popen2 ... variants, I dunno
[06:36] <mhb> Sime: I'll try that
[06:36] <Sime> mhb: there is also the "subprocess" module in Python 2.4. It is a lot more modern (read: sane)
[06:37] <mhb> Sime: ok
[06:38] <mhb> Sime: I tried to work with the modules that already were there
[06:39] <mhb> Sime: should I rewrite the code to use subprocess?
[06:42] <Sime> mhb: yeah that is fine.
[07:13] <mhb> Sime|pizza: done :o) but the libref was a bit confusing (I thought I need only "from subprocess import Popen", but I was wrong)
[08:14] <Sime> mhb: I'm back
[08:17] <mhb> Sime: I'll send you the version with subprocess 
[08:17] <mhb> if I read the documentation correctly, it should not call /bin/sh anymore
[08:24] <mhb> Sime: sent
[08:31] <bddebian> re
[08:33] <Sime> mhb: it looks good
[08:34] <mhb> better, at least :o)
[08:35] <Sime> mhb: the only problem I can think of is that when people upgrade from dapper to edgy, mountconfig won't understand smbfs in thier /etc/fstab.
[08:35] <Sime> mhb: (I don't think that is going to be a big problem).
[08:39] <mhb> Sime: so what should I do?
[08:40] <mhb> Sime: a warning message stating that smbfs is deprecated in favor of cifs?
[08:40] <Sime> mhb: will smbfs work in edgy?
[08:47] <mhb> Sime: well, as it worked in Dapper (it is still available as an external package)
[08:51] <mhb> Sime: but cifs works even without it
[08:54] <Sime> mhb: that's ok.
[09:04] <Sime> mhb: thanks, I just commited your fix to svn!
[09:04] <mhb> Sime: that's great
[09:05] <mhb> Sime: although the pop-up "What do you want to do" worries me ...
[09:05] <mhb> Sime: I'll fix it ASAP
[09:45] <Riddell> arts should be fixed in kde 3.5.4 dapper builds now
[09:45] <Riddell> if you install libarts1-akode
[09:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: ready for 1.4.2-beta1? ;-)
[09:59] <Riddell> blah
[09:59] <Riddell> where is it?
[10:00] <apachelogger> not yet fetched
[10:00] <apachelogger> I'd just wait till you're ready ;-)
[10:00] <apachelogger> anyway, gotta start fetching in some minutes
[10:49] <omeow> Let's see if the font problem is fixed...
[10:50] <kwwii> re
[10:50] <pygi> yo kwwii :)
[10:52] <toma> hey kwwii
[10:54] <kwwii> howdy :-)
[10:54] <omeow> Hi.
[10:55] <omeow> Still the same problem. =/
[10:56] <omeow> Is there a meta package that lets me re-install everything currently installed? 
[10:56] <omeow> Maybe that would fix the problem.
[11:07] <Lure> Riddell: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/07/kubuntu-606-lts-excellent-linux.html
[11:09] <omega> Riddell, is there any way I can test the packages you patched with the xinerama improvements on dapper?
[11:09] <omega> If so, then I'll just re-install dapper tomorrow and test it on that.
[11:09] <omega> Edgy is a bit too on the edge.
[11:09] <omega> :)
[11:14] <Riddell> omega: it's only in edgy
[11:14] <Riddell> ooh, Lure's back :)
[11:15] <Lure> Riddell: yep - still recovering my mailbox after two week vacation... ;-)
[11:18] <omega> Riddell ar, that's a shame.
[11:18] <omega> Guess I'll have to stalk some people in order to get my font problem fixed.
[12:07] <kwwii> time for bed, see you all tomorrow
[12:07] <omega> Bye. :)