=== raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-235-244.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66-252-35-174.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66-252-37-103.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === erov [n=j@c-69-247-101-157.hsd1.ms.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66-252-37-245.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ignite_ [n=Ignite@AC8E2F59.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.47.80] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66-252-37-217.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:17] Heya === claydoh [n=clay@66-252-37-217.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.109.122] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.109.122] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.47.80] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:23] hi all [06:23] hey Hobbsee [06:23] robotgeek: :) [06:24] heya Hobbsee [06:25] hi imbrandon, how's the machine? [06:25] being lazy lol, lemme add you an account, give me a few minutes [06:25] imbrandon: heh [06:25] i'm vnc'd into my brothers machine atm helping him [06:25] for a moment [06:25] ah [06:25] fair enough [06:26] he is converting from windows to kubuntu ;) [06:26] imbrandon: nice! :) [06:29] nice! [06:29] i used OS X for 3 weeks. now i am back on kubuntu [06:30] heh i'm torn between osx and kubuntu === Hobbsee was lookign at OS X today, actually. === imbrandon loves osx for somethings [06:31] talking about osx [06:31] i really like kmail. and amarok :) [06:32] someone here using kxdocker or engage with compiz and xgl on kubuntu? === robotgeek hides [06:32] :P [06:32] sounds scary. [06:32] robotgeek: you manage to stop kmail crashing? wow. [06:32] http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9413/snapshot1ge3.png <-- curent kubuntu system [06:32] Hobbsee: i'm still on dapper? [06:33] robotgeek: that's when i was trying kmail. [06:34] hmm, to come to think of it, kmail died on me when i shoved 250mb of mail at it [06:36] hehe [06:38] i now like to keep kmail's mail directory separate on another partition, where it is readable by mutt also :) [06:38] hehe === Hobbsee just uses thunderbird. no more problem [06:39] revolution os, heh i havent seen that movie in a while [06:39] good call [06:39] i have great difficulty using thunderbird after i've gotten used to kmail [06:40] good point [06:40] the killer feature is the attachment thing, which reminds you if you have forgotten to attach files [06:40] i like thunderbird becouse i can use it on osx / windows and linux [06:40] you can get that in thunderbird via an extension [06:41] ahh...i've learned to attach files first, then write the message afterwards - so i cant forget [06:41] seeing as i use webmail every once in a while too [06:42] i usually dont use webmail, so not an issue for me. [06:42] lucky...i dotn take my laptop everywhere [06:43] heh , i take mine EVERYWHERE [06:43] thats the point of having it for me [06:43] otherwise i use desktopsa [06:43] s/a// [06:43] gmail is blocked at work, and i dont bring work email home [06:44] ahhh... === imbrandon works for himself so .... heh === Hobbsee will likely take her laptop more to uni this semester, based on the class start times. [06:45] Hobbsee: yea showoff kde at the uni ;) [06:45] imbrandon: heh, could do that. [06:45] and koffice ;) [06:45] and knotes etc ;) === imbrandon should go back to school for some classes [06:59] how do you pin a package? [06:59] !pin [06:59] I know nothing about pin - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu [06:59] !pinning [06:59] pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PinningHowto === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:59] !pin is pinning [06:59] I'll remember that [06:59] !pin is pinning [06:59] ;) [06:59] oh, darn you. [07:00] :P === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.45.26] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:44] imbrandon: i've got an idiot question for you [07:46] sure one sec === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:39] !libx11-6 [08:39] I know nothing about libx11-6 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu [08:40] !info libx11-6 [08:40] libx11-6: X11 client-side library. In repository main, is optional. Version 2:1.0.0-0ubuntu9 (dapper), package size 693 kB, installed size 3368 kB [08:41] !info libx11-6 edgy [08:42] libx11-6: X11 client-side library. In repository main, is optional. Version 2:1.0.3-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 553 kB, installed size 1176 kB === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:01] imbrandon: yeah. [09:01] kk [09:01] imbrandon: why do you have a k7 kernel installed on what is showing as an i686 machine? [09:01] its not 686 , cat /proc/cpuinfo [09:02] imbrandon: ahhh...according to uname -a it is [09:02] amd64 3400+ [09:02] ;) [09:02] hmmm okay === Hobbsee keeps merging. [09:02] hehe [09:02] its actualy a k8 proc but === Hobbsee did two merges, and is about to request two syncs. [09:02] i dident want 64bit [09:03] hehe cool [09:03] i'm loading dapper on my lappy [09:03] so i have atleaste __one_stable machine to check my mail etc heh [09:05] and watch sg-1 epsodes on ( since season 10 just started ) heh [09:06] Hobbsee: is there a "craigslist" for sydney ? reason i ask is i found some great deals on apple lappys on there [09:06] imbrandon: a what? no idea... [09:06] you might check that ;) [09:06] ahh its like a garage sale on the internet [09:07] one for all major cities [09:07] ahh... [09:07] leaste in the US, i'll check if they have a sydney one [09:08] haha matter of fact they do, thats cool [09:08] where at? [09:08] ahh [09:08] Hobbsee: http://sydney.craigslist.org/ <-- main url ....... check http://sydney.craigslist.org/sys [09:08] for computer stuff === Hobbsee looks [09:09] pretty good place to get stuff, becouse you can physicaly check it out before you buy it [09:09] becouse its local 99% of the time [09:10] oh nice :) === Hobbsee was looking at laptops earlier today :P [09:10] heh yea i find most of my computers that way [09:10] lots cheaper [09:10] the salesperson asked if i did a subject at the uni, whcih i had - he recognised me [09:10] heheh [09:12] i'm like "yeah, i got a distinction in it" "oh wow!" [09:12] heh, distinction == good ? [09:13] imbrandon: it goes, from top to bottom: high distinction, distinction, credit, pass, conceded pass, fail [09:13] ahh ok , cool === Hobbsee pokes intrepid [09:13] ohh cruft your still on intrepid heh [09:13] yeah. [09:13] i forgot to add you to voyager [09:13] lol [09:13] meany :( [09:13] one sec [09:13] hehe give me a sec === Hobbsee notes that the screen session is now dead. oh well [09:17] moin! [09:18] hi danimo! [09:18] ok Hobbsee grab anything you need off intrepid and logout for the last time, lemme know when your off [09:19] heya Hobbsee! === imbrandon notes i dident backup your /home === danimo yawns [09:19] heya danimo [09:19] hi imbrandon [09:19] imbrandon: just the simflight*.deb in /var/cache/pbuilder/edgy/result [09:20] heh copy it to /media/server/hobbsee [09:20] you will be able to grab it from there off voyager === Hobbsee nods. [09:20] i have /media/server mapped on all the comuters [09:21] anyhow when you have everything copied you want lemme know i'll shutdown intrepid and transfer the ssh ports to voyager [09:21] hmmmh [09:22] Hobbsee: like to test something simple? [09:22] or anyone with KDE 3.5.4 === imbrandon thinks of a new name for his lappy [09:22] Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.17-5-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), , RAM: 627/1003MB, 103 proc's, 6.40h up [09:23] i'm on 354 wasup ? [09:23] just try to use custom titlebar button settings === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-235-244.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:23] i do [09:23] thats one of the first things i set [09:23] that's one of main problems here, over half of windeco settings doesn't apply [09:24] hrm i use the akdc kwin windeco [09:24] that might be part of it [09:24] I tried many [09:24] hrm strange [09:24] indeed [09:25] and see [09:25] almost like som parts of kwinrc is skipped while reading [09:25] seems to work for me here, let me fiddle with another engine [09:25] imbrandon: havent transferred stuff yet [09:25] and see [09:25] imbrandon: thanks [09:25] Hobbsee: thats fine, just lemme know when [09:25] imbrandon: did you have my last lot of backup? [09:26] what ever is in /media/server/hobbsee is what i have backed up for you from your /home [09:26] its not recient [09:26] the pbuilder etc i have all setup already on voyager [09:26] just not your /home stuff [09:26] right, so i'll need the profile [09:27] sigh. can i kill off bluefoxicy please? [09:27] yea honestly i would rm -rf /media/server/hobbsee/* and just copy what you want like your .gnupg and .bash* [09:27] and any deb's you just built [09:27] imbrandon: having trouble connecting in again [09:28] imbrandon: i can tell you where the stuff is, if you want [09:28] kk one sec lemme login to it [09:28] k i'm in [09:28] what ya need ? [09:29] imbrandon: okay, .bash_profile and .bashrc [09:29] ~/.gnupg [09:30] and /var/cache/pbuilder/edgy/result/simgear*.deb [09:30] k [09:30] gimme just a sec [09:30] meanwhile think of a good name for my lappy hehe [09:31] heh === Hobbsee thinks along the lines of vogon constructor fleets [09:32] http://pastebin.ca/106294 <-- anything else ? [09:33] imbrandon: scritps in /usr/local/bin? [09:33] ahh yea one sec [09:33] hehe [09:34] dont make me write them again :P [09:34] heh i have them all already cept {dapper,revu,edgy}build === imbrandon gets those [09:35] imbrandon: i'd just get them, and overwrite them or something. [09:35] it doesnt really matter [09:36] well i modified the pbuilder-* to use the US mirrors and not the gb/jp/au ones it had [09:36] heh [09:36] ah right [09:36] so i'll keep those and just get the *build ones [09:36] yep [09:37] brandon@intrepid:/usr/local/bin$ sudo cp -Rv {dapper,revu,edgy}build /media/server/hobbsee/ [09:37] `dapperbuild' -> `/media/server/hobbsee/dapperbuild' [09:37] `revubuild' -> `/media/server/hobbsee/revubuild' [09:37] `edgybuild' -> `/media/server/hobbsee/edgybuild' [09:37] kk done [09:37] think thats it [09:37] imbrandon: cool === imbrandon shuts down intrepid and messes with the router [09:38] your gonna have to clean out your ~/.ssh/known_hosts file again or it will complain [09:38] ( localy ) === seaLne thinks we need a mono app in kubuntu to increase the flaming :) [09:38] seaLne: kerry is mono isnt it ? [09:38] heh === imbrandon likes c# [09:38] is it? [09:39] i think so [09:39] imbrandon: yep, cool, okay [09:43] ok Hobbsee login [09:43] should be all ready === Hobbsee repairs .bashrc [09:47] its a pity basket 0.6 probably won't be ready for edgy as it looks so much nicer [09:47] (than tomboy) [09:48] seaLne: when will it be ready? [09:48] Hobbsee: once your in just grab the files from /media/server/hobbsee [09:48] http://basket.kde.org/development.php no idea [09:48] imbrandon: they seem to be there... [09:48] oh. [09:48] oops. [09:48] heh just the defaults are there [09:49] i dident copy them to your new /home yet [09:49] hehehe [09:50] since i fixed the mirrors and for pbuilder and the fact voyager has more ram it should build faster [09:51] oh yay. [09:52] Riddell: is there going to be a meeting tommorow? [09:53] seaLne: hopefully not. [09:53] seaLne: and it's still a bit early for Riddell [09:53] oh, wait, we were having trouble with times. [09:53] Hobbsee: you might want to pbuilder-edgy update too i havent done it since yesterday === Hobbsee copies over a newer version anyway, cos this is being painful. [09:56] new version ? [09:57] that i had locally [09:59] ooh, colour prompt! [09:59] heh === Hobbsee builds happily [10:06] imbrandon: thanks :) [10:07] hehe np [10:07] this is my day to day machine though try not to botch it up with dist-upgrades ;) [10:07] hehe [10:07] yay for screen. === imbrandon go's back to finishing the apt-mirror / imap server install / and listening to a python podcast [10:10] bye all [10:16] hmm "09:07 < Hobbsee> yay for screen." and "09:10 < Hobbsee> bye all" don't make sense :) [10:17] seaLne: heh why ? [10:18] i was expecting her to have started ircing from within screen :) [10:19] my first coffee of the day is now ready so i may make more sense shortly [10:20] ahh no she is building on voyager with screen [10:20] for the yay , then i guess hse had to run ;) [10:37] when is universe freeze, i can't find the page on the wiki with dates [10:40] ah found it [11:08] MMMOOOOH [11:09] ok, now every "tip of the day" or "first run wizard" are active [11:10] some weird kdelibs issue [11:16] AERGH! just noticed, all my input actions are gone [11:18] he [11:18] heh [12:08] mo [12:14] moin === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:17] mo Hobbsee [12:17] hi toma [12:20] wb Hobbsee [12:20] hi danimo [12:20] yay, it built. [12:20] Hobbsee: did the wpa key hint help? [12:20] danimo: havent tried it - didnt feel like fighting it last night when i was very tired [12:20] i'm thinking kde sessions is mucking this card up, actually. we'll see. [12:37] Hobbsee: which card? === aliasfred [n=fred@73.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:58] Hobbsee: could you review a new package for me? Whenever I succeed debianising it? [01:13] The pbuilder howto tells me to "sudo pbuilder build my-package_1.0.dsc", but how do i get a .dsc? === Hobbsee comes back [01:15] ahhh....yes...that's why i dont like using pbuilder as such, but use pdebuild. === Sime is working on system-settings for edgy, and it is looking pretty damn good too. [01:16] danimo: ah, a netgear wg511 v2 made in china, and a dlink dwl-660 [01:16] Sime: yay! [01:16] Sime: when do we see it? [01:16] Hobbsee: there is a spec for it... [01:16] Hobbsee: dlink, netgear, the pure evil :) [01:16] Hobbsee: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSystemSettingsUsability [01:16] danimo: dlink isnt so bad.... [01:16] danimo: netgear, with a marvell driver though... [01:17] danimo: the real problem is that it doesnt like my network - it was workign fine in this machine while i was out, but not at home [01:17] Hobbsee: I had my very special expririence, with a dlink router though [01:19] Sime: looks good [01:19] Hobbsee: the implementation is now pretty close to the mock up. :) [01:19] Sime: yay : [01:19] ) === Hobbsee looks thru the rest [01:23] Sime: at least the theme support needs some love - you probably already know that [01:24] Hobbsee: you mean the theme manager? [01:24] Sime: sorry, yeah. [01:24] Sime: people get confused a lot in dapper, saying "how can i install a theme" [01:24] Sime: that should probably be rectified somehow - whether there's a help text on the side, or a help button, or what. [01:24] Hobbsee: yeah, I don't think it is in dapper. not sure if it is planned for edgy [01:25] Sime: oh it's in dapper, no question - it's just that the differnet parts of the theme are treated separately [01:26] Sime: so you can install a theme of colours, a theme of icons, a theme of windecos...but no way to install "a theme" of all the bits together, and it's obviously not terribly obvious that you're to download and install each bit separately. [01:26] Sime: i mean, i figured that out, but a lot of our users in #kubuntu havent - and that's probably worth fixing. [01:26] is anyone else's kmenu buggered - ie, not updating? [01:27] yeah, mines rooted. :-) === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:27] right....thought it might be [01:27] hi apachelogger [01:28] ahoy Hobbsee [01:28] Hobbsee: sorry, I had to laugh. There is only one country that uses the word "buggered" like that. ;-) [01:29] gah. and i was going to use "screwed" instead, but thought better of it. === Hobbsee counts buggered as synonymous with stuffed, screwed, broken, borked, FUBAR'd, and anythign else along those lines. [01:30] anyway, s/buggered/broken. [01:30] :P [01:30] Hobbsee: could you please change ...including xmms, noatun, kscd, juk, kaffeine and amarok. ---> including Amarok, XMMS, Noatun, KsCD, JuK and Kaffeine. [01:30] I've come to like the "bitched". i.e my menu is complete bitched. [01:30] the word ^ [01:31] anyway, about the theme manager. I don't know if it is on Riddell's TODO list for edgy. [01:31] Hobbsee: kopete control file that is ^^ [01:32] Sime: not that we really need a theme manager in itself - the current one is good - but it's not obvious in how to use it. [01:32] apachelogger: it's in main now - grab source, change whatever you like, put it on revu :) === Hobbsee doesnt have main uploads (yet) === Sime is not really familar with the theme manager. [01:32] oh-kay :D [01:33] apachelogger: did what i say go totally over your head? [01:33] Sime: open it up one day. it's under appearances - see the buttons marked "import" or something similar [01:34] Hobbsee: well, I coded yesterday 8 hours in ruby ;-) [01:34] apachelogger: nice! [01:34] that would go over my head, no questoin. [01:34] Hobbsee: :-> not any more it ain't. The theme manager isn't in Ellen's new sys-settings menu structure... [01:35] Sime: ah. right. [01:35] Hobbsee: hehe, at least that damn plugin for insanity @ #amarok is now kind of working :) [01:35] apachelogger: hehe, nice. which plugin was that? [01:35] Hobbsee: advanced bar plugin [01:35] !flash [01:35] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [01:36] ah right [01:36] so one can order stuff [01:36] yep [01:36] though it ends one day :P [01:36] okay, that worked [01:39] *cough* and include kdm theme manager from kde-look.org *cough* [01:39] imbrandon: didnt we include that? [01:39] yea themes in kde need a little love though, i have had to fuge them alot with the royale and osx theme [01:39] oh, maybe not. [01:39] Hobbsee: not in dapper, havent looked in edgy [01:40] imbrandon: can you shoot me an email about that please? [01:40] sure [01:41] imbrandon: thanks. === aliasfred [n=fred@73.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [01:41] imbrandon: know if the latest version is 1.1? [01:42] something close to that yea [01:45] seaLne: no meeting planned [01:45] argh, how do you find if anything doesnt have any build-deps outside of main, apart from building a chroot and testing it that way? [01:45] hi Riddell! [01:45] morning [01:46] moins Riddell [01:46] bbiab yall switching to lappy [01:46] Sime: theme manager is probably just a case of removing the buttons to launch the other kcontrol modules, then it can be added in [01:47] Riddell: could we get kcontrol-kdmtheme installed by default? [01:47] Hobbsee: hmm, yet another kcontrol module [01:47] would be ok if it was part of the default kdm module [01:48] Riddell: add it to the appearance stuff. [01:48] Riddell: or in that. do we have a working kdm default module? [01:49] it was working last I used it [01:49] which wasn't recently, but I've not heard any problems with it [01:49] it's been a while since i have, so okay. [01:49] Riddell: how do we fix a borked arts? [01:49] Riddell: it doesnt generate any sort of useful backtrace. [01:51] Riddell: k [01:51] Hobbsee: revert back to 1.5.2 I guess [01:52] speaking of arts... does anyone have mp3s working in arts or notuan? (not amorak, it uses the xine backend for mp3) [01:53] you'll need libakode2-mpeg and/or libarts1-mpeglib [01:53] Sime: er...how do you get mp3's working in arts, per se? as far as i know, arts is not a music plaer [01:53] *player [01:53] Riddell: hmmm...okay...did you want the backtrace? it really is borked and useless. [01:54] it even says so itself :P [01:54] I get the crash too === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:54] Riddell: right, okay. [01:54] Hobbsee: I'm with apps that use arts as a backend. [01:54] Sime: yep, right. === toma is now known as toma_ [01:55] Hobbsee: from what I understand, mp3 decode normally happens inside arts itself (in an arts plugin) [01:55] Sime: true. i think. i really dont know though === Hobbsee avoids sound stuff. === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.32.195] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:03] yeh it is [02:03] !show libdvdread3 edgy [02:03] I know nothing about show libdvdread3 edgy - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu [02:03] !info libdvdread3 edgy [02:03] libdvdread3: library for reading DVDs. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.9.6-1 (edgy), package size 53 kB, installed size 196 kB === danimo is glad that arts will be gone in kde4 [02:04] suse even patched it out of kde [02:04] (3) [02:04] yay. i'll need an uploader for that, i suspect. [02:04] danimo: what does suse kde use instead ? [02:04] insanekane: an early version of phonon, back then developed for kde 3 [02:04] danimo: aha ok [02:05] insanekane: causes a lot less trouble with other sound applications it seems [02:05] danimo: havent they given the patches back to kde so that they can be applied in kubuntu as well ? [02:05] woo! i can fix two bugs at once for this, i think. [02:05] insanekane: but it's fairly intrusive of course [02:05] insanekane: well, the patches are public [02:05] insanekane: they did come from kde in first place [02:05] danimo: aha ok [02:06] danimo: so why wasnt it applied ? [02:06] insanekane: but I think it would be easiset to pull the latest version from the suse rpms [02:06] insanekane: because Riddell thinks it's too intrusive [02:06] intrusive in the sense ? apps stop working ? [02:06] insanekane: well, if anyone's heart is on noatun... ;) [02:07] Riddell: what was your reason? === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:09] danimo: for what? [02:10] hmm, phonon in kde 3, hmm [02:10] Riddell: it used to be called different [02:10] Riddell: but it uses xine as a playerbackend afaik [02:10] using an unreleased version of an API/library makes me nervous [02:11] Riddell: well, it's not a public api anyway [02:11] not meant to be a.. [02:11] Riddell: it is a workaround for sure [02:11] but one would have to try and see if it's worth it [02:12] after all, it is edgy, and we've just discovered at arts is fubar'd at current version [02:13] Hobbsee: that took you quite a while... ;) [02:13] danimo: hmmm? [02:13] danimo: i was examining libdvdread. [02:13] Hobbsee: oh, inside the kde project, arts is considered dead for a long time === Hobbsee will be lookign for an uploader too, she expects [02:13] danimo: yeah, exactly [02:13] Hobbsee: we just can't help releasing it to maintain b/c [02:14] b/c? [02:14] Hobbsee: that's why I was joking about it taking you until edgy to realize [02:14] Hobbsee: oh, binary compatible [02:14] oh [02:14] ahh... [02:14] and source (read: API) compatible [02:14] we cannot just take away an API in KDE [02:14]