[02:25] <Viper550> Hello!
[02:26] <Madpilot> hi Viper550
[02:27] <Viper550> Got the email about Tropic's release?
[02:27] <Madpilot> yesterday or the day before, wasn't it?
[02:27] <Viper550> Yeah, last night EST!
[02:29] <Madpilot> hmm, I did read it
[02:29] <Madpilot> sorry, Thursday thru Sunday is the busy middle of my working week, so I tend to hit the "next" button a lot in my email ;)
[02:30] <Viper550> Like it? Please note, although it doesn't actually say it, the wallpaper actually packaged is slightly dimmer than shown in the screenshot
[04:03] <Madpilot> OK, Fyre is seriously cool. It uses as much CPU time as it can get it's grubby paws on, though!
[04:37] <Madpilot> I'm not sure what it's for - aside from "to look kind of cool" - but if someone likes it, they can adopt it and have the SVG too: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu-distorted1.png
[04:40] <Gareth^> interesting Madpilot - I like the curves and how they look more like people's shoulders (and thus more humane)
[04:40] <Madpilot> hadn't thought of it that way
[04:41] <Madpilot> I saw some Fedora-inspired grafitti-like artwork and figured I'd see what the Ubuntu logo looks like with the same treatment
[04:46] <Madpilot> http://mihmo.livejournal.com/30396.html
[04:47] <Gareth^> ah yeah, I can see what you mean
[12:53] <msikma> Arrgh
[12:54] <msikma> I know that you guys want to keep the wiki cleaned up
[12:54] <msikma> But seriously, I'm reading through backlogs of the artwork channel and a lot of wikipages I'm trying to look up no longer exist
[12:56] <msikma> Also, Troy wikified some wallpaper suggestions for people who couldn't wikify them themselves, but mine isn't in there for some reason.
[01:00] <msikma> Of course there is nobody active on the IRC channel to talk about it...
[01:01] <msikma> Is there really not _anybody_ else active?
[01:56] <mhb> hello to all respected art workers :o)
[03:40] <HiddenWolf> Hey guys. I was wondering if we could see an ubuntu theme with facebrowser for edgy's GDM
[05:35] <troy_s> kwwii you in?
[05:40] <viper550> Well, I'm in at least
[05:42] <troy_s> You are what?
[05:43] <viper550> What? Never mind...
[05:44] <troy_s> ?
[05:44] <troy_s> Never mind?
[05:44] <viper550> What do you mean by "You are what?"
[05:45] <troy_s> You said 'you are in'
[05:45] <troy_s> And I didn't quite understand what you meant.
[05:45] <viper550> It was in response to "kwwii you in?". I'm just saying that I'm here too!
[05:48] <troy_s> ahhhh... now I get it.
[05:49] <HiddenWolf> Can we do something about https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-artwork/+bug/14630
[05:52] <viper550> Well, my new Tropic GDM screen does have a face list
[05:54] <troy_s> HiddenWolf, what do you mean?
[05:54] <HiddenWolf> troy_s, there is an attachement of a theme
[05:55] <HiddenWolf> troy_s, I for one really miss an ubuntu-themed face browser, which is what my parents are used to.
[05:55] <troy_s> Yes, but it is unlikely to meet the Edgy development look/feel
[05:55] <troy_s> Face browser has been brought up before, and if one is acceptable
[05:55] <troy_s> I am pretty sure frank will include it.
[05:55] <troy_s> But it will need to meet the Edgy default look
[05:56] <troy_s> Which means that progress needs to be made on that end.
[05:56] <HiddenWolf> I guess the guy that made it would be willing to make one if he's provided with feedback
[05:56] <viper550> Just change the wallpaper
[05:56] <viper550> In mine...sorry
[05:56] <HiddenWolf> ;)
[05:57] <viper550> It's based off this one: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=41621
[05:58] <troy_s> Yes, and bersace is the one who did it, so I am pretty sure it will be easy to get one up once we get the
[05:59] <troy_s> look for edgy further towards the end of Production
[05:59] <troy_s> many new faces in here... good to see.
[05:59] <viper550> Why don't you just use my Tropic GDM?
[05:59] <troy_s> Because it would be hodge podge and unprofessional.
[05:59] <troy_s> Your tropic GDM is for tropic
[06:00] <viper550> Well, with a different Wallpaper!
[06:00] <troy_s> Well I haven't looked at it too closely, but defining professional is a little more than simply changing a wallpaper.
[06:00] <troy_s> You have a link?
[06:00] <viper550> Oh...
[06:01] <viper550> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Tropic (inside the package is a tarball with it)
[06:01] <viper550> I even modded it with one of those new Glossy logos we've been using alot
[06:01] <troy_s> You have very bad screenshots...
[06:01] <troy_s> A) you should screenshot each of the distinct elements and scale them all to the same size
[06:02] <troy_s> look at bersace's outline in archives
[06:02] <troy_s> it is very good.
[06:02] <viper550> Why? It's not a contact sheet
[06:02] <troy_s> Because it looks like nothing...
[06:03] <troy_s> All I can really see is a window border and a scrollbar.
[06:03] <viper550> So you want a full picture? Kinda like my KDE mockup?
[06:03] <troy_s> It is about tying together all of the discreet elements... look at bersace's archive template
[06:03] <viper550> where's that?
[06:03] <troy_s> it is far superior to what you offer.  Right now, your 'theme' doesn't appear to do much.
[06:03] <troy_s> probably in the archives section of artwork wiki :)
[06:04] <viper550> Oh
[06:04] <viper550> Those reviews of past looks
[06:04] <troy_s> Right now, you have sixteen different images that all show _no_ continuity
[06:04] <troy_s> In fact, calling it a theme is rather silly because each image you have right now is completely different.
[06:05] <viper550> You mean you don't like the older screenshots?
[06:05] <viper550> It's Called "Visual Release Notes", Evolution!
[06:05] <troy_s> What does it look like?  What does the GDM look like?  What does the splash look like?  These are all questions that people will want to see.
[06:05] <troy_s> Well where is your summary?
[06:05] <troy_s> I am not going to install it to see it.
[06:05] <troy_s> You need to make it easy for people to see what your look is.
[06:07] <troy_s> Your screenshot of the GDM in your tarball is flawed as well...
[06:07] <viper550> Okay, I'm going to do some restructuring, but putting the wallpaper on a 2nd page so it won't stretch out everything
[06:07] <troy_s> 1) it looks completely unprofessional to simply scribble out the 'ubuntu'
[06:07] <troy_s> scale it.
[06:07] <troy_s> 2) it is simply a recolouring of jmak's work...
[06:07] <troy_s> which is hardly polished.
[06:07] <viper550> What?
[06:08] <viper550> Recoloring of Jmac's work? I didn't get that from Jmac!
[06:08] <troy_s> Sorry....
[06:08] <troy_s> i meant jmak no?
[06:09] <viper550> I designeded based off what is seen on the monitor in the Human icon theme
[06:09] <viper550> I mean designed, sorry
[06:09] <troy_s> Well you understand what I mean though?
[06:09] <viper550> Yeah...
[06:09] <troy_s> If you can't be bothered to take the time to take a good screenshot etc
[06:09] <troy_s> it looks _very_ sloppy
[06:09] <troy_s> and the chances of including something that sloppy is about nil.
[06:10] <troy_s> further, i strongly encourage you to use bersace's archive template to show what the 'look' looks like at a glance
[06:10] <troy_s> scale all of the images so that you can see a few of them on screen at once, etc.
[06:10] <troy_s> make them look uniform.
[06:10] <troy_s> etc
[06:11] <viper550> Okay, as a placeholder for the new format, I'm currently working on a little temporary redesign, I'll kinda make a montage picture of all the elements...
[06:11] <troy_s> well you are _always_ redesiging.
[06:11] <viper550> Or, I'll think about that idea you just said
[06:12] <viper550> Where can you get that GTK Preview program?
[06:13] <troy_s> Widget factory
[06:13] <viper550> No, not that one, the one in the archives, looks nicer!
[06:13] <troy_s> take your time with it... no need to rush rush rush, the more you redesign, the less design there is.
[06:13] <viper550> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Archives/4%2e10
[07:03] <fschoep> troy_s: ping
[08:17] <fschoep> troy_s: ping
[10:46] <kwwii> re