=== raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] 'lo raphink :) === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus [n=ubuntu@200.97.68.169] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:24] hi crimsun [12:25] hi raphink [12:25] hello LaserJock === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-145-190.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.146.109] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tomveens [n=tomveens@ztn-c-1566b.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] hi [01:21] what about the wired package [01:21] what about it? [01:21] the progress [01:22] I'ts almost impossible to compile it for my ubuntu amd64 [01:22] hmm, well I have no idea what you are talking about, unfortunately [01:22] so I can't give you any info [01:22] you know wired? [01:22] thats a new DAW for linux [01:23] Digital Audio Workstation [01:23] looks great [01:23] works! I don't know? [01:23] has somebody been working on it? [01:24] I thought it was a release candidate in you're list but I can not figure out what is the progress. Or is there any progress, what are the problems? [01:25] I don't see 'wired' at all on REVU, and it's not in the repos. [01:25] [wired.sf.net] [01:25] or [wired.is.free.fr] [01:25] it's on Candidates [01:26] and there is a Debian ITP [01:26] debian bug #372849 [01:26] Debian bug 372849 in wnpp "Subject: ITP: wired -- music production and creation software" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/372849 [01:26] there I saw it yes [01:26] was only for 386 [01:27] yeah, so I don't know if anybody is working on it in Ubuntu [01:27] wired-daw seems like a suitable srcpkg name. [01:27] what is that? === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:27] yeah, wired is a very vauge name [01:27] you mean source package [01:27] yeah [01:27] not to mention the clash with the other wnpp [01:27] yes [01:28] It is almost impossible to compile [01:28] "Notice that there is already an RFP (#353608) for a completely different [01:28] program also named wired. One of us will have to change its upstream name..." [01:28] :-) [01:28] change to wired-daw is okay! [01:29] you know something about the blender 2.42 package? [01:29] yay! cdbs updated in sid! who wants to request an uvf exception? :) [01:29] hi everybody [01:30] hi [01:30] Toadstool: what was updated? [01:30] Toadstool: but we already have a delta, so I don't know if it's really worth it ;) [01:30] or cinelerra package? [01:30] (meaning a delta prior to ogra's upload yesterday) [01:30] :) [01:31] slomo: er, a few bashism removed, a big fix in python-distutils.mk and... some other things [01:31] *bashisms [01:32] tomveens: hmm, blender 2.42 just hit Debian not too long ago [01:33] you mean a package? [01:34] yeah [01:34] Any takers of a really simple merge? http://www.linux2go.dk/edgy-merges/dietlibc-merge.diff [01:34] amd64? [01:34] and cinelerra seems to be a work in progress [01:35] what are the problems for cinelerra, you know? [01:36] tomveens: it seems like a yes on blender for amd64 [01:36] I don't know [01:36] I just saw it [01:36] and i've got the deb [01:36] thank you [01:37] tomveens: it just says that Rodrigo Belem is working on it (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RodrigoBelem) [01:37] tomveens: I suppose you could email him and ask him how it is progressing if you feel the need [01:38] I will [01:38] shawarma: sure, sec. [01:38] thanks [01:40] crimsun: er... hang on. [01:40] shawarma: (too late) [01:40] blender 2.42 is not satisfied with my libavcodecs [01:41] crimsun: I got my build logs messed up. It appears to ftbfs. [01:42] tomveens: what are you running? [01:42] blender 2.41 (is that what you mean?) === ctd_ is now known as ctd [01:43] tomveens: no what release of what [01:43] distro [01:43] ubuntu dapper [01:44] shawarma: that may be unrelated to dietlibc, though, noting make[1] : *** [bin-x86_64/elftrunc] Segmentation fault [01:44] I haven't looked more closely yet. [01:44] tomveens: and what are you trying to install? [01:44] blender 2.42? [01:45] yes [01:45] what is you're point? [01:46] tomveens: well, Debian's blender 2.42 package is built using different packages then Dapper [01:46] so you could have problems === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] I know that, but I hoped because it is family, that it was possible [01:47] I realy want to try the new blender [01:47] then you could build it on your dapper box using the Debian source [01:47] I want to use openexr, and my timeline is shit [01:48] that is an option [01:48] !info blender edgy [01:48] blender: Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.41-1ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 4797 kB, installed size 12744 kB [01:49] You think it is easy to make the debian source a ubuntu package? [01:49] crimsun: I'm quite sure it's dietlibc. [01:49] crimsun: I'm looking at it now. [01:50] tomveens: hmm, looking at the current edgy package it looks like it might need a little tweaking [01:50] tomveens: you could try it I guess [01:51] is the blender 2.42 already in the edgy package list? [01:51] no === lfittl_ [n=lfittl@83-65-241-207.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] it would need an upstream version freeze (UVF) request === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] since Ubuntu's Main repo has frozen [01:51] why? [01:52] and what is an uvf request? [01:53] well, right now the Main repo is under a freeze which mean you need to get permission to update a package to a newer version [01:53] LaserJock: are you still talking about blender? (ogra is working on it) [01:54] so it can be requested, but it isn't going to be automatically included [01:54] lfittl_: yeah [01:54] ah, excellent [01:55] can I help? [01:55] LaserJock: problem is they added ffmpeg export/import, and we are not sure yet if we simply compile it without it, or solve it otherwise (e.g. by making a blender-ffmpeg package available) [01:56] ah, :/ [01:56] tomveens: thanks, but there is not much you can do, it's complicated because we don't have ffmpeg in main, and blender needs it [01:57] tomveens: just wait for ogra, he will work on it [01:57] How does the package procedure work? [01:58] what exactly do you mean? === lfittl_ is now known as lfittl [02:05] how does a new package begins and how does it ends? [02:05] do you need to inform canonical for some packages? [02:05] you need to inform MOTU here [02:05] you upload your packages to REVU for... review [02:06] with enough votes someone will upload it for you [02:17] hmm, anybody know of any good documentation for uscan and uupdate? [02:18] I think I've got an ok watch file, I'm just not sure what to do with it [02:18] LaserJock: what exactly do you want to know? [02:19] run uscan -v to see whether your watch file works ;) [02:19] crimsun: I found the error in dietlibc. I'll fix it tomorrow. Sorry. [02:20] must... have... sleep.... Zzzz.... [02:20] G'night, guys! [02:21] slomo: ok, so the watch file works. uscan gave me a new upstream tarball [02:22] LaserJock: if you add "debian uupdate" at the end of the url-line of the watch file uscan will automatically run uupdate on the new upstream tarball [02:22] ahh [02:24] crimsun: Arh, heck. Here's the new patch: http://www.linux2go.dk/edgy-merges/dietlibc-merge.diff [02:24] crimsun: And that one actually builds. [02:24] crimsun: Hmm... if you actually uploaded the other one I sent will something go bad since this is the same ubuntu revision? [02:26] it won't work... you have to make a new revision [02:27] (unless you upload before some script that runs all 5 minutes gets the upload) === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] hi imbrandon [02:56] heya LaserJock [03:04] imbrandon: how's it going? [03:05] good good, just wakin up , getting some coffee^mt dew in me ;) [03:06] wakin up? [03:06] out of bed [03:07] kinda a late start ;) === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] imbrandon: I'll say. :-) [03:08] heh ok brb afk ~20 minutes , breakfast^Wdinner , shower and other morning type things , bbiab [03:09] 3am... time to go to bed :) [03:09] g'night === Toadstool is now known as ToadZzZztool === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] er....ok... [03:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBVmfIUR1DA [03:17] Heya gang === node` is now known as icmp [03:26] hi bddebian and zul [03:26] hi LaserJock [03:26] Heya LaserJock [03:27] Anyone know autoconf very well? [03:37] What utility is it to read the packages file and rip out reverse build depends? === bddebian is having a brain fart [03:37] you don't [03:37] you read the sources file [03:37] That's what I meant but what do I use? [03:38] grep-dctrl [03:38] Thanks slomo [03:38] grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends -FBuild-Depends-Indep $package /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources [03:39] didnt we go through this before? [03:39] Yep, and will probably go through it again. I'm brain dead [03:40] yes we know :) [03:40] Love you too honey [03:40] bddebian: that's what sticky notes are for :-) [03:40] or you just remmember :) [03:41] slomo: Isn't AC_CHECK_HEADERS[] supposed to be [header, if yes, if no] ? [03:41] zul: Well we all can't be as good as you [03:41] slomo: I tried out metacity with its compositing manager [03:41] slomo: it's not going to be on by default in edgy, I'd say [03:49] la la la === LaserJock is trying to figure out the Python Policy, again [03:52] Is this valid? [03:52] grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends -FBuild-Depends-Indep $package /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources [03:52] Gah, damnit [03:52] no [03:52] use cat [03:52] AC_CHECK_HEADERS([linux/videodev2.h] , [v4l2=yes] , [v4l2=no] , [03:52] [#include ] ) [03:53] Is the 4th param valid? [03:55] LaserJock: What about the Policy? [03:56] bddebian: I'm just upgrading gausssum in Debian [03:56] I'd like to make sure I do it right the first time [03:56] Ah :-) [03:57] so apparently the Debian maitainer of debhelper doesn't much care for the new policy [03:58] it has to be NMU'd [03:58] that's interesting to me [03:58] :) [03:59] ajmitch, slomo, anyone know my AC_CHECK_HEADER thing? [04:04] darn, how are you supposed to know what to version these python deps? [04:05] anyone seen this before? dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of `NEEDED libxenstore.so' not recognized === tritium_ is now known as tritium [04:06] hi tritium [04:06] hi LaserJock [04:06] LaserJock: You don't need to, that's the beauty of it [04:06] Heya tritium [04:06] heya bddebian [04:07] bddebian: right now it looks like I need debhelper (>= 5.0.37.2), python (>= 2.3.5-7), python-all-dev, python-central (>= 0.4.17) [04:08] but I think python (>= 2.3.5-10) would work too [04:08] do you really have to crawl through the changelog of every dep to find these things? [04:08] anybody know of an email or something that says what to use? === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:14] LaserJock: Hang on [04:14] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy [04:14] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPythonFAQ [04:15] bddebian: thanks! [04:16] Well transcode's wiki page sucks [04:20] bddebian: sounds good === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:22] w00t, axiom built [04:22] On all archs I might add (except possibly sparc) [04:23] whee === ajmitch breaks out the beer [04:24] that reminds me i need something to drink === fowlduck [n=duck@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] *-o-* [04:27] *-o/* [04:27] *\o/* [04:28] my cheerleading skills stink [04:28] is that a cheerleader? [04:28] haha :) [04:28] whee...got it [04:29] LaserJock: :-) [04:32] goooooooo BDDEBIAN! [04:33] Well I'm doing much worse on slomo's list :-( [04:46] autoreconf runs aclocal right? === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:23] @$%$^2456 [05:23] slomo: Still around? [05:24] wish he was [05:24] but it seems not [05:24] Heya tseng [05:24] hi [05:38] !lilo:*! Happy Sunday afternoon.... reminder to Aus users: freenode's unofficial channel for its Australian users is ##australia .... please feel free to stop by :) === abelcheung__ [n=abelcheu@221.126.145.233] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:58] \o/ [05:59] LaserJock: ? [06:00] I think my gausssum package is ready to go [06:00] it's very nearly lintian clean [06:01] Sweet, congrats! [06:05] I think everybody should maintain at least one package in Debian [06:07] No way ;-P === bddebian is supposed to be maintaining colorgcc [06:09] LaserJock, I'm personally not intrested in that. While there are some good areas (-mentors, -games, the people that also work on ubuntu) where people act decent, [06:10] I just found that there far to many hostile, technocrats that I probally would not be able to work with. I looked at joining 4 times, and each time, those people put me off, so I've no intention of considering it again [06:10] Yagisan: Sounds familiar :-) [06:12] bddebian, I admire the work that many of them do, but, the bulk either don't encourage new developers, or show apathy towards it by not reigning in the jerks. [06:14] Aye, that is what brought me to Ubuntu [06:14] Though I suppose many in Ubuntu aren't necessarily happy about that either ;-P [06:15] bddebian, well, that I suppose is another thing we have in common [06:15] :-) === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-30.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:23] hi all === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:25] G'day Hobbsee [06:25] hi Yagisan [06:27] Yagisan: well, I never said that you had to become a DD [06:28] Heya Hobbsee [06:29] hi bddebian [06:29] hey LaserJock [06:29] LaserJock, To be honest, not being a DD is a very much second class status there. Not being an ubuntu member here is far less so, and does not prevent me from getting what I think is important from being done. [06:34] hmm. Do we have any live-USB verision of ubuntu ? [06:35] hi Hobbsee [06:35] Yagisan: I know. I just like getting to know a package like you get to do in Debian [06:37] LaserJock, that I agree with. I maintain my own packages, that one day will be in Ubuntu. I should send the latest version to revu for comments on my packaging of it. === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [06:55] afternoon [06:55] Heya ajmitch [06:56] ajmitch: Hey, what do I do if running autoreconf causes unrepresentable changes to source? [06:56] autoreconf --install [06:56] otherwise it'll usually symlink which breaks things [06:57] Frick. So I'm screwed now? [06:57] no [06:57] I mean I have to re-pull and reapply all my fixes? [06:57] Then autoreconf? === ajmitch shrugs [06:58] whatever works [06:58] find the symlinks, remove them, rerun autoreconf [06:58] Ah [06:59] Isn't -i the same as --install? [06:59] Ah, yes. I did autoreconf -f -i -s [06:59] But still get that error === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:02] ajmitch: Should I not have done -f ? [07:02] bddebian: -s is symlink [07:02] I told you not to do that [07:02] Oh, I meant that's what I ran the first time [07:02] and -i by default doesn't symlink [07:03] hi all [07:04] Heya zakame === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:04] heya bddebian, playing with autotools huh? [07:04] hmm why is my LP karma getting higher andhigher? :/ [07:05] zakame: Just breaking stuff as usual :-) [07:09] shawarma: changelog tweaked, interdiff(1) output applied, uploaded. [07:10] Hi crimsun [07:10] hello crimsun [07:10] hi crimsun [07:10] 'lo bddebian, zakame, Hobbsee, ajmitch === zakame seesif his robotour in sid will buildonedgy [07:11] crapbroken spacebar [07:11] hehe [07:12] hi crimsun [07:12] hi ajmitch [07:12] how's NetworkAuth going? === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:13] ajmitch: I love you man! :-) [07:14] no you don't [07:14] zakame: going alright :) [07:14] how's your project? [07:14] ajmitch: I do [07:15] ajmitch: quite ok too ow completing the unit tests for integration :) [07:15] great :) === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:25] bug 54520 [07:25] Malone bug 54520 in robotour "[Edgy MoM] Please sync robotour 3.2.1-3 from Debian unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54520 === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:42] Gnight folks === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nathandh [n=nathandh@dD5779A06.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee deals with the usual mess of uni. how annoying. [08:54] Hobbsee: I feel your pain. [08:54] I remember the hassles I went through. === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:54] eek, yeah, yours were likely even worse. [08:55] Yeah. [08:55] yay. it now says i'm doing the proper 4 subjects this semester, instead of three. [08:55] I tried dealing with the disabilities services, but they sucked. [08:55] they usually do. [08:55] So I found out. [08:55] I ended up not using them, and dealt directly with lecturers. [08:56] Worked much better. [08:56] yep [08:56] oh yay. it now even shows that i'm doing the advanced computing. [08:56] heh [08:57] now if i can just get it to *print*, then i'll be happy. [08:57] What sort of timetable do you have? [08:58] TheMuso: not such a great one as semester 1, unfortunately - 9am classes almost every day. [08:58] lucky you [08:59] HAH! === Hobbsee got around the javascript. by viewing the source of the webpage, and mangling it that way. [09:00] hehe Hobbsee still got a question [09:00] off the phone / vnc now [09:00] sorry heh [09:02] TheMuso: bleh. got a three hour break each wednesday. yuck. [09:02] That sucks. [09:02] My first semester, I had a 5 hour break on Wednesdays. [09:02] ouchy [09:03] Every week I told myself I would do something ulseful in that time, but 95% of the time, I didn't. [09:03] heh === Hobbsee wasted her 3 hours each second week, most weeks in semester 1 [09:04] apart from that, my timetable isnt so evil. [09:04] 6 hours straight will be fun though [09:04] Yuck. [09:04] What day is that? [09:05] oh, wait, i can make it less evil. [09:05] TheMuso: that's each monday [09:05] no, i can kill the 3 hour break - yay1 [09:05] Cool. === ubuntu-es [n=ubuntu@200.106.100.233] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] right...that timetable is decidedly Less Evil (tm) than it was before. [09:10] heh === Yagisan sees the advantages of distance ed again for the first time "flexible timetable" [09:25] then reality crashes down around him [09:25] heh [09:26] as it really menas 11~12pm to 4am === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=pappan@59.92.135.151] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luks [n=lx@unaffiliated/luks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:53] hi, any revu admins around? [09:53] i'm trying to recover my password, http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=lalinsky@gmail.com says "Now paste the text below, and enter EOT", but there is no text below [09:53] is this a known bug? [09:58] luks: your key is on the keyserver, right? [09:58] yes [09:58] at least used to be :) [09:59] ajmitch: ping? [10:00] yes? [10:00] ajmitch: ^ revu stuff [10:01] luks: have you uploaded a package that appears on REVU? [10:01] yep [10:01] which one? [10:01] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2331 [10:01] and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2252 [10:02] with that same gpg key? [10:02] yes [10:04] are you currently in the ubuntu-universe-contributors group on launchpad? [10:04] no [10:04] please join it [10:04] keyring is synced from that group, so revu isn't able to find your key [10:05] ah [10:06] once you've joined, tell me, I'll approve membership for that group & sync the keyring [10:06] i've already joined [10:08] ah right, it's open membership now === ajmitch will tell you when it's synced [10:09] okay, thanks [10:13] ok, try again now === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-30.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:37] works [10:37] thanks again === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bazzi [n=Bastian@p50804B4B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:51] somebody awake? :) === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:57] slomo: hi [10:57] hi ajmitch :) [10:58] i'm searching for someone who wants to improve his karma for all the forum users... by updating xgl :P i took a short look and it seems to be not much work [10:58] already done it [10:58] it just needs uploaded [10:58] ? [10:58] nice :) [10:59] I also tested out metacity with compositing, which didn't work so well [10:59] because of nvidia drivers? [10:59] or something else too? [10:59] yeah [10:59] crashed on nvidia drivers, gave artifacts on intel [10:59] ok, so get xgl/compiz uploaded and be the hero of the day? :) [11:00] compiz is a different matter ;) === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-106-059.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:00] why? [11:00] should I upload upstream, or the fork that everyone uses? [11:01] who did the fork? [11:01] quinnstorm [11:01] take upstream ;) [11:02] then all the users will complain :) [11:02] what exactly did he do to poor compiz? [11:03] patched the hell out of it, added a bunch of new features [11:03] hm, maybe upload upstream for now and then add the useful parts of his stuff as a patchset [11:04] and alot of kde fixes iirc [11:04] I suppose I could [11:04] I don't use it myself [11:05] ajmitch: or do upstream and poke quinn to patch and submit [11:05] heh [11:05] to the official repo [11:05] ;) [11:05] of course, I'd put the version number I upload higher than the fork's [11:05]