[01:03] <danimo> heya
[01:03] <danimo> can somebody confirm that libxss-dev is broken?
[01:04] <Riddell> danimo: dapper or edgy?
[01:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/77/66/
[01:04] <danimo> Riddell: edgy
[01:05] <danimo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:05] <danimo>   libxss-dev: Depends: libxss1 (= 1:1.0.1-4ubuntu1) but 1:1.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[01:06] <Riddell> danimo: works for me, I have 1:1.0.1-4ubuntu1 of both libxss1 and libxss-dev
[01:06] <Riddell> danimo: try using the gb. mirror
[01:07] <danimo> Riddell: ok
[01:07] <danimo> switched
[01:07] <danimo> Riddell: and what a difference it makes
[01:07] <danimo> Riddell: the de mirror seems broken
[01:07] <danimo> Riddell: or it's just updating
[01:24] <Riddell> Sime: got anything to add to this? http://kde.me.uk/index.php?page=kde-technology-interviews-pyqt
[01:24] <Riddell> sebas too
[01:25] <Sime> Riddell: I'm pretty sure that PyQt predates SMOKE.
[01:26] <danimo> Sime: it definitely does
[01:26] <Sime> Riddell: ummm you should ask how many, and how is using the bindings for commercial in-house development.
[01:26] <Sime> Riddell: Phil is running a 'real' software business.
[01:27] <Sime> Riddell: it is probably worth giving Phil a chance to explain what PyQt can do, for the benifit of everyone reading at home.
[01:30] <Riddell> updated
[01:30] <Riddell> keeping the SMOKE question, even if we know the answer not everyone else does
[01:31] <Sime> Riddell: true
[01:32] <Riddell> DaSkreech: go
[01:32] <Sime> Riddell: I meant _who_ is using the bindings.
[01:32] <DaSkreech> What do you think of the idea of shipping with openssh-server installed by default but off?
[01:32] <Sime> I've gotta go get some sleep.
[01:33] <Riddell> DaSkreech: where would you turn it on?
[01:33] <DaSkreech> I was thining some kind of GUI user friendly "big button"
[01:33] <Sime> Riddell: roll => role.
[01:34] <DaSkreech> as well as the normal ways of course
[01:34] <Riddell> well spotted Sime 
[01:34] <Riddell> DaSkreech: yeah, but where would you put the big button, that's the tricky part :)
[01:34] <DaSkreech> See I was foolishly thinking there was a help sub menu
[01:35] <danimo> Riddell: odd, same problem still
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[01:35] <Riddell> DaSkreech: more to the point why do this?  ssh is for the command line, if you can use ssh you can use apt-get install
[01:35] <danimo> Riddell: although a dist-upgrade worked perfectly
[01:35] <Sime|Zzz> night all.
[01:35] <Riddell> sleep well Sime|Zzz 
[01:35] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Well it'd be interesting for people who need remote help from someone who is Linux aware
[01:36] <Riddell> vnc would be better for that
[01:36] <DaSkreech> Well then a big VNC button then
[01:36] <Riddell> we do have krdc installed by default
[01:37] <Riddell> and the server part
[01:37] <Riddell> you could argue ssh should be installs to allow for sftp by default
[01:37] <Riddell> and preferably it should also have an option to advertise that over avahi
[01:37] <DaSkreech> I'd need to be convinced of sftp personally
[01:38] <Riddell> why?
[01:38] <DaSkreech> How many people would need that
[01:38] <DaSkreech> And under what circumstances?
[01:38] <Riddell> lots, for sharing files
[01:38] <Riddell> how else do you share files in unix?
[01:39] <DaSkreech> Well that's under the assumption of other Unix boxes in the area/network
[01:39] <Riddell> what is?
[01:40] <DaSkreech> That the other boxes you are sharing with are Unix type machines
[01:40] <danimo> Riddell: is there any way for me to find out what supposedly is providing a libxss version 1.1? edgy has 1.0.1 everywhere
[01:40] <Riddell> however sftp can't do stuff anonymously, which is a nice feature to have
[01:41] <danimo> Riddell: and I have no other repos in my sources.list
[01:41] <Riddell> danimo:  apt-cache policy libxss1
[01:43] <danimo> Riddell: can I force a dpkg -r?
[01:43] <DaSkreech> Yeah that was the other thing that I was considering
[01:44] <Riddell> danimo: what's one of those?
[01:44] <DaSkreech> If we had a "big button" It hsuld come with a dedicated user
[01:44] <danimo> Riddell: I seem to have a librss1 1.1 installed for whatever reason
[01:44] <danimo> Riddell: pretty much all of X11 and all X-based apps depend on it
[01:44] <danimo> Riddell: so I'd like to force a manual remove
[01:45] <DaSkreech> I was trying to figure out if it ws more useful to set a random user who would be removed after X time or a permanent "guest" user with some sudo
[01:45] <Riddell> DaSkreech: whereever did you get 1.1 from?  it's not in the ubuntu archive
[01:46] <toma> danimo: hence loosing all x11 and x-based apps?
[01:46] <danimo>  yes
[01:46] <danimo> I'd like to avoid that
[01:46] <danimo> :)
[01:46] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Wrong person
[01:46] <toma> danimo: what do you want to do then, downngrade?
[01:46] <danimo> yes
[01:47] <Riddell> danimo: wget the two .debs from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxss/
[01:47] <Riddell> and dpkg --install *deb
[01:47] <toma> or option 2) apt-get install libxss=1.01 (or whatever the version is)
[01:48] <danimo> Riddell: that was it :)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hi all
[04:14] <lnxkde> how do I patch spmething?
[04:14] <lnxkde> I got a .diff
[04:14] <lnxkde> ?
[04:14] <lnxkde> I cd to the folder I want to patch
[04:15] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: heya
[04:15] <lnxkde> and to patch -p1 /home/me/patch.diff ??
[04:15] <lnxkde> hi Hobbsee :D
[04:15] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: yeah.  p# - the # may not be right.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> ah, wait.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> patch -p1 --dry-run < path/to/patch.diff
[04:16] <Hobbsee> use --dry-run to check it's right, at first
[04:17] <lnxkde> then I do it whiout the dry-run ?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: yes
[04:19] <lnxkde> thankx
[04:28] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Broadcast message from root@voyager (Sun Jul 30 21:27:23 2006):
[04:28] <Hobbsee> The system is going down for reboot NOW!
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Connection to imbrandon.sytes.net closed by remote host.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> i didnt do that :P
[04:35] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon 
[04:35] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i saw your machine reboot :P
[04:36] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[04:36] <imbrandon> yea , my wife reboots it sometimes ( thats why i liked the vm better than voyager )
[04:36] <imbrandon> i just need to buy her a new computer lol
[04:37] <robotgeek> imbrandon: there seems to be a problem with the last.fm in amarok, it crashes only when it buffers
[04:38] <imbrandon> yea someone else told me about that yesterday , i havent had a chance to look, i will here in a few minutes
[04:38] <imbrandon> i forgot to shoot ya the email about kdmtheme too
[04:38] <imbrandon> oops ;)
[04:38] <robotgeek> cool. i can send you a tracelog (also sent to amarok bug list automagically)
[04:39] <imbrandon> whoops dident look at the name thought Hobbsee was telling me aobut amarok lol /me headdesk
[04:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehehehe.  it's okay
[04:39] <imbrandon> heh but sure robotgeek send away
[04:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, Riddell was looking at it last night, i think.
[04:39] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: how do i add programs to katapult?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: killall katapult && katapult
[04:40] <imbrandon> robotgeek: it should be whats in yor $path
[04:40] <imbrandon> err anything
[04:40] <robotgeek> it does not pull up kmail, for example
[04:40] <imbrandon> hrm
[04:40] <imbrandon> your right ........ *looks8
[04:41] <imbrandon> s/8/*
[04:41] <robotgeek> imbrandon: where do i email away? 
[04:41] <imbrandon> ahh type kontact, i bet its looking at
[04:41] <imbrandon> the kmenu entries
[04:41] <imbrandon> and imbrandon@kubuntu.org is fine
[04:42] <robotgeek> however, it does not pull up my other custom entry in Kmeenu :)
[04:42] <imbrandon> i thought katapault looked at the $PATH but i am guessing just from a quick look its lookingat the kmenu
[04:43] <imbrandon> hrm then honestly no idea, i never use it tbh
[04:43] <imbrandon> i just tried when you said something
[04:43] <robotgeek> imbrandon: sent. 
[04:43] <robotgeek> trying to kick off spotlight/quicksilver addiction :)
[04:43] <imbrandon> hehe kerry > spotlight
[04:43] <imbrandon> hehe i never used quicksilver much either
[04:44] <robotgeek> i think i have kerry installed, it does not pull up applications et
[04:44] <robotgeek> it is unreasonable slow
[04:46] <imbrandon> what is ?
[04:46] <robotgeek> kerry
[04:46] <imbrandon> hrm not for me (tm) dunno lol
[04:47] <robotgeek> atleast as an application launcher, it is :)
[04:47] <imbrandon> ahh yea more of a search thing
[04:47] <robotgeek> hence we have katapult, i guess :)
[04:48] <imbrandon> robotgeek: your on dapper ?
[04:49] <imbrandon> hince kde libs 3.5.2
[04:49] <imbrandon> right ?
[04:51] <robotgeek> i have 3.5.3, though
[04:52] <imbrandon> hrm it reported you had 3.5.2 
[04:53] <robotgeek> kde-config --version reports 3.5.3
[04:54] <imbrandon> ok no worries, i'll look more later, you know if it does it on x86 to ?
[04:54] <imbrandon> or just your machine 
[04:54] <imbrandon> s/to/too
[04:54] <robotgeek> i dont have access to x86, sorry. 
[04:54] <imbrandon> ok np, just wondering
[04:54] <robotgeek> i will probably steal a machine from somewhere soon, lol
[04:55] <imbrandon> heh just grab a mbp ;)
[04:55] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: mbp. macbookpro? 
[04:55] <imbrandon> yea
[04:56] <robotgeek> i am unwilling to pay the apple tax anymore
[04:56] <robotgeek> not if i am going to run linux on it, anyways
[04:56] <imbrandon> heh apple hardware is so smooth though ;) even the x86 stuff , but i still use osx also soo i dont mine
[04:56] <robotgeek> plus, i need my linux apps!
[04:56] <imbrandon> s/mine/mind
[04:57] <robotgeek> like amarok :)
[04:58] <robotgeek> amarok also?
[04:58] <robotgeek> got a binary?
[04:58] <robotgeek> universal maybe?
[04:58] <imbrandon> robotgeek: yea give me a while to finish some things up and dig out the ibook
[04:59] <imbrandon> no ppc ( /me has no access to x86 apple )
[04:59] <robotgeek> imbrandon: sure. take your time
[04:59] <robotgeek> is it ppc or x86?
[04:59] <imbrandon> ppc
[05:00] <imbrandon> all my apple hardware is ppc , i __WISH__ is had x86 apple , its smooth ;)
[05:00] <robotgeek> wait for 2 yeas, then we can sell ours to a museum, lol
[05:01] <imbrandon> heh
[06:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm in favour of keeping our 2100UTC meeting times indefinetly.
[06:09] <Hobbsee> as long as they're on wednesdays
[07:03] <Hobbsee> !coc
[07:03] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[07:16] <Tm_T> Huomenta.
[08:33] <Hobbsee> yay.  amarok 1.4.2 beta 1 is out
[08:34] <crimsun> nice :)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> it fixes the splash screen bug!!!
[08:35] <Hobbsee> http://websvn.kde.org/tags/amarok/1.4.2-beta1/multimedia/amarok/ChangeLog?rev=567983&view=auto
[08:35] <crimsun> :)
[08:45] <imbrandon> * Allow for deleting all the tracks on a playlist from iPods. (BR 127855)  <--- jez i've been waiting for that one
[08:46] <imbrandon> * Re-enable adding videos to iPods with recent libgpod-cvs. (BR 130117) <-- and that one
[08:47] <imbrandon> although i doubt we have new enough libgpod-cvs in edgy
[08:47] <imbrandon> but why is it not using kio-ipodslave ? hrm
[08:50] <danimo> moin
[08:50] <Hobbsee> hi danimo 
[08:51] <danimo> hi Hobbsee :)
[08:53] <imbrandon> hahah Hobbsee where ya building it, i was gonna do the same thing hehehe ( if you build it on voyager let me know and i'll test it later tonight )
[08:54] <imbrandon> but thats good becouse i dont really have time to screw with it atm
[08:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: locally, atm
[08:54] <imbrandon> but it would be nice to see if the lastfm thing robotgeek had problems with is still an issue
[08:54] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: kk if it builds feel free to upload it to voyager ;)
[08:54] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:55] <imbrandon> moins danimo
[08:55] <Hobbsee> on the other hand, it probably does make snese to upload it there
[08:55] <danimo> hi imbrandon
[08:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:55] <imbrandon> ok brb 
[09:13] <danimo> does edgy provide a freenx server?
[09:14] <danimo> I can only find the nx libs and the viewer
[09:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: gave up, building on voyager
[09:21] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: your laptop too slow? :)
[09:22] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: that, and i dont have time to build it
[09:28] <Hobbsee> !tar
[09:28] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde)
[09:28] <Hobbsee> gah.  what's the command to untar a file again?
[09:31] <danimo> who would I bug to get a package upgraded which is more current in debian?
[09:32] <Hobbsee> danimo: anyone here?  which package.
[09:32] <danimo> Hobbsee: vncserver. edgy still has 3.3.1 with a nasty bug, debian has 3.3.7 even in stable
[09:32] <danimo> (and 3.3.3 in oldstable)
[09:33] <Hobbsee> !info vncserver edgy
[09:33] <ubotu> vncserver: Virtual network computing server software. In repository universe, is optional. Version 3.3.7-12ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 541 kB, installed size 1244 kB
[09:33] <danimo> Hobbsee: I think that's quite telling :)
[09:33] <danimo> huh?!
[09:33] <Hobbsee> danimo: want to upgrade it?
[09:33] <Hobbsee> danimo: ahh...that's interesting.
[09:33] <danimo> Hobbsee: yes, that bug is supposed to be fixed there
[09:33] <danimo> but it still happens
[09:33] <Hobbsee> danimo: fixed version seems to be in edgy?
[09:34] <danimo> yes..
[09:34] <danimo>   * Correction for rgb path and font paths.
[09:34] <Hobbsee> danimo: so where's the bug?
[09:34] <danimo> it's supposedly in
[09:34] <Hobbsee> danimo: which mirrors are you using?
[09:34] <danimo> Hobbsee: the Xvnc server needs the fixed fonts uncompressed
[09:34] <danimo> which is silly 
[09:35] <danimo> Hobbsee: I do have 3.3.7 indeed. should have checked
[09:35] <Hobbsee> shows 3.3.7-12ubuntu1 here too
[09:35] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[09:35] <danimo> judged it from thep presence of the bug
[09:35] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:35] <Hobbsee> danimo: fix the bug then :P
[09:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you around?
[09:35] <danimo> Hobbsee: hehe
[09:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: there's a new path to the install-css.sh in edgy, from libdvdread3 - someone needs to update the wiki page on the first link of !multimedia
[09:39] <Hobbsee> oh shoot!
[09:39] <ajmitch> late for work?
[09:40] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: very.  i thought the clock said 5.30, not 5.40
[09:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's building on voyager now
[09:52] <imbrandon> gah i need to tell her howto use screen
[09:52] <imbrandon> she disconnected and it stoped the build heh
[10:20] <ajmitch> she should know about screen by now..
[10:37] <imbrandon> i would have thought so , maybe she just forgot to start it
[12:50] <omega> Time to take a new stab at my font problem!
[12:54] <Tm_T> hi kids
[12:54] <omeow> grmbl openoffice dependency conflicts.
[12:55] <omeow> How old are you?
[12:55] <Tm_T> anyone who has struggled with lowend laptops?
[12:57] <Tm_T> I will try to install reasonable desktop env to P3-700 & 128M ram lappy
[12:58] <seaLne> breezy installed ok on a celeron 400MHz with 192Mb
[12:58] <Tm_T> so if someone is interested to hear some testresults or know some nice tricks, I'm all ears ;)
[12:58] <Tm_T> I prolly install some simple wm like WindowMaker
[12:59] <Tm_T> because xcfe from breezy was sl-l-l-ow
[12:59] <Tm_T> well, just opening firefox took some minutes in a good day :p
[01:00] <Tm_T> is there any tests in edgy what I should run/try?
[01:01] <omeow> Anyone else having issues with the openoffice update? It's scared about overwriting a file.
[01:02] <seaLne> yeah
[01:02] <omeow> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-draw_2.0.3-3ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/openoffice/program/libflash680li.so', which is also in package openoffice.org-core
[01:02] <seaLne> i just remove OOo then reinstalled it
[01:02] <omeow> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[01:02] <omeow> I can't remove it, because it'll suggest apt-get -f install
[01:03] <omeow> The package is called openoffice.org, right?
[01:03] <seaLne> nah pick one of the things they depend on
[01:04] <omeow> I think I am, and it still won't do that.
[01:04] <omeow> openoffice.org-base: Depends: openoffice.org-core (> 2.0.3) but 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 is to be installed
[01:04] <omeow> apt-get remove openoffice.org-core just suggests to use apt-get -f install
[01:05] <omeow> Am I doing it wrong?
[01:07] <Tm_T> dpkg -P ?
[01:08] <omeow> What does P do?
[01:08] <omeow> It's not in the manual.
[01:08] <omeow> Oh wait, it is.
[01:08] <Tm_T> purge?
[01:11] <omeow> Yeah, the command I got, but it's the package name that I need now. Apparently, openoffice.org wasn't the right one. =/ Loads of other packages still left, and removing one can't be done without removing the other, and that one depends on the one I tried to remove earlier.
[01:12] <Tm_T> :p
[01:13] <omeow> What a mess. =/
[01:17] <omeow> pfew, well that was fun.
[01:17] <omeow> On to the next problem.
[01:22] <omeow> HELP MEEEEE =P
[01:23] <Tm_T> !helpme
[01:23] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:23] <Tm_T> ;)
[01:28] <omeow> Ok. I'll ask again (I've asked a few times already.)
[01:29] <omeow> A few days ago, I updated my xorg server thing because I want to test some packages for Riddell and since I rebooted my computer, my xorg server can't find the fonts.
[01:29] <omeow> I find this in the Xorg.0.log; 
[01:29] <omeow> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/, removing from list!
[01:29] <omeow> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/OTF, removing from list!
[01:29] <omeow> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/CID/, removing from list!
[01:29] <omeow> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/, removing from list!
[01:29] <omeow> Those fonts indeed do not exist, and I do not know how to get them back.
[01:30] <omeow> Oh wait, /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi does exist.
[01:31] <abattoir> it part of the xfonts-75dpi package...
[01:31] <abattoir> *it's
[01:31] <omeow> I know.
[01:31] <omeow> The packages seem installed. 
[01:31] <ajmitch> most likely the fonts.alias file in the dir is missing
[01:31] <abattoir> i dont have /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF nor OTF or CID
[01:32] <rouzic> Hi Riddell
[01:32] <abattoir> omeow: have you checked the "Files" section in xorg.conf
[01:33] <Riddell> hi rouzic 
[01:33] <omeow> abattoir: Yes, it's left unchanged.
[01:33] <abattoir> Riddell: hello :)
[01:33] <ajmitch> omeow: try 'update-fonts-alias --x11r7-layout /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/'
[01:33] <ajmitch> it's related to another package, I'll try & find the bug
[01:33] <rouzic> Riddell: When the package will be kdelibs-bin of kde 3.5.4 availably?
[01:34] <omeow> ajmitch: Ok, i've done that. But the problem is still not fixed.
[01:34] <Riddell> rouzic: kdelibs-bin doesn't exist any more
[01:35] <rouzic> I have updated to kde 3.5.4 without realizing that it was absent this package and some programs estan failing
[01:35] <Riddell> hi abattoir 
[01:35] <ajmitch> omeow: sorry, cd /usr/share/fonts/X11/
[01:35] <ajmitch> then update-fonts-alias --x11r7-layout 75dpi
[01:35] <ajmitch> it doesn't like the absolute path
[01:35] <ajmitch> you'll still get warning about the other directories, which can be ignored
[01:36] <rouzic> Then the repository of kde 3.5.4 do I complete this one?
[01:36] <omeow> ajmitch: root@crusade:/usr/share/fonts/X11# update-fonts-alias --x11r7-layout 75dpi
[01:36] <omeow> warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi does not exist or is not a directory
[01:36] <omeow> root@crusade:/usr/share/fonts/X11# ll|grep 75dpi
[01:36] <omeow> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 2006-07-31 13:36 75dpi
[01:36] <ajmitch> ignore that
[01:36] <ajmitch> notice that it's a different dir
[01:37] <omeow> Oh yes, I see.
[01:37] <omeow> Anything else after that?
[01:37] <ajmitch> depends on what problems you're having :)
[01:38] <omeow> ajmitch: All my fonts are missing.
[01:38] <ajmitch> right
[01:38] <omeow> When I restart KDM, my login name is shown and when I then focus the field, the letters dissappear.
[01:39] <ajmitch> that's generally the X drivers
[01:39] <ajmitch> nvidia?
[01:39] <omeow> When I click the menu button, it's letters dissappear too.
[01:39] <omeow> Yes, I use an nvidia 6600GT with two syncmaster 930BFs attached. 
[01:39] <omeow> Please don't tell me I have to use the open source driver, because I'm unsure it will work with dual screens.
[01:40] <ajmitch> Option "RenderAccel" "false"
[01:40] <ajmitch> in xorg.conf
[01:40] <omeow> And I need dual screens to test the patches riddell commited.
[01:41] <omeow> ajmitch: Default is off, right?
[01:41] <omeow> I don't have it in my conf file.
[01:41] <ajmitch> default is on
[01:41] <ajmitch> which is why  you need to add it
[01:41] <omeow> unbelievable
[01:41] <omeow> It's fixed. :)
[01:43] <omeow> Weird that it only started giving me problems until now.
[01:45] <ajmitch> no, it's because of the move to X.Org 7.1
[01:45] <rouzic> Riddell: Then the failure of konqueror because it is?
[01:45] <omeow> I see.
[01:45] <ajmitch> which the nvidia drivers don't appear to play nicely with
[01:45] <rouzic> Riddell: Me there appears neither the bar of directions nor any icon in the bar of tools
[01:45] <omeow> I did see some warning about that in the conf file. But didn't think much of it, because I was missing fonts, and the end of the file had warnings about font dirs being missing.
[01:49] <Riddell> rouzic: something is messed up with KDE reading kubuntu-default-settings, and I'm not sure what
[01:51] <omeow> Riddell: I cannot test everything of the xinerama patches you included. The patches are supposed to list the different screens if you have more than three monitors. If you have two, it'll only say "move window to next screen" instead of "move window to screen 1,2 or 3".
[01:51] <omeow> The things I can test seem to work properly though.
[01:51] <omeow> I'll let you know if I run into any issues.
[01:53] <rouzic> Riddell: If, probably it is some problem with kubuntu-default-settings, since the predetermined KDM is that of KDE and that of Kubuntu does not appear
[01:55] <rouzic> Always I have the same failure when it was trying to eliminate the package of kubuntu-defatult-settings
[01:57] <omeow> ajmitch: It seems adept does not respect that option. Problem still occurs in that program.
[01:58] <randy__> hey.
[01:58] <randy__> allee: *bling*bling* -highlight- :)
[01:58] <allee> randy__: hmm?
[01:58] <randy__> allee: hi :)
[01:59] <randy__> i was wondering about the confcall today? about the new boxes in rzg?
[01:59] <rouzic> Riddell: In the K-menu Kubuntu's image does not appear in the lateral bar either
[02:00] <allee> randy__: let's move to priv chat.  Not OT for Kubuntu-devel  :)
[02:01] <randy__> allee: better a # because  of anti-privmsg *g*
[02:01] <allee> randy__: #randy__ ?
[02:01] <randy__> whatever hehe
[02:03] <rouzic> Riddell: When one will announce kde 3.5.4?
[02:04] <Riddell> when it's released
[02:07] <rouzic> Riddell: Thank you, and I confirm it, the failure with kde 3.5.4 is for the package kubuntu-default-settings.:)
[02:15] <rouzic> Riddell: Here you have an image www.kubuntu-es.org/kubuntu.png
[02:18] <Riddell> yeah, I see it too :(
[02:21] <rouzic> I have a MacBook and the letters meet bigger of the normal thing
[02:22] <rouzic> The size 8 appears as that it was 10 and you prop in boldface
[02:23] <rouzic> Probably it is the resolution
[02:23] <danimo> rouzic: or dpi
[02:24] <rouzic> Thanks danimo :)
[02:26] <Riddell> imbrandon: who are the current editors of the fridge?
[02:30] <jjesse> Riddell: according to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Fridge the current editors areDaniel Robitaille, Jorge Castro (whiprush), Rich Johnson (Nixternal), Paul Sladen, Matthew East (mdke) and Matthew Revell
[02:33] <rouzic> danino: Since I modify the dpi?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:33] <Riddell> jjesse: thanks
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell, i poked infinity and got kdenetwork uploaded
[02:35] <rouzic> Hobbsee: Hi
[02:35] <Riddell> smart thinking Hobbsee 
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: took a bit of sweet talking hehe
[02:35] <Hobbsee> heya rouzic 
[02:39] <rouzic> Riddell: when it will be possible solve the problem with kubuntu-default-settings?
[02:40] <Riddell> omeow: fonts fixed?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> rouzic: which problem sorry?
[02:41] <omeow> Riddell, yes. I'm currently testing the patches you've added. Seems like it's working. :)
[02:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: seems like KDE 3.5.4 has stopped reading /etc/kderc or something
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh....how did we discover that?
[02:42] <rouzic> KDE 3.5.4 does not recognize the package of kubuntu-default-settings, and Kubuntu's KDM does not appear, the Konqueror appears without bar of directions and in the kicker they eliminate the applets
[02:43] <Hobbsee> ah.
[02:43] <rouzic> www.kubuntu-es.org/kubuntu.png Hobbsee, here is a image
[02:43] <Hobbsee> lovely
[02:43] <omeow> rouzic, 404
[02:43] <Hobbsee> rouzic: right, yep
[02:43] <Hobbsee> works here
[02:43] <Hobbsee> @ the image
[02:43] <omeow> Oh now it's there.
[02:45] <Riddell> anyone else on 3.5.4 seeing the problem rouzic is having?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> cant say i've had a look
[02:46] <omeow> What's the site address? elmundo.es?
[02:46] <rouzic> I believe that it is necessary to add a kubuntu-default-settings to the repository of kubuntu.org to make to work to kde 3.5.4
[02:46] <Riddell> rouzic: no, that's not the problem
[02:46] <rouzic> Omeow: I am Spanish and need to translate to speak with you
[02:47] <omeow> rouzic, that's fine. 
[02:47] <omeow> Puede dar me usted la direccin exacta de esa pgina, por favor? 
[02:47] <rouzic> www.elmundo.es/traductor
[02:48] <omeow> Thank you.
[02:48] <rouzic> :)
[02:50] <rouzic> Riddell: can you solve it like?
[02:50] <omeow> I cannot confirm the text in the text-areas being negatively indented, but I can confirm the textareas to be too large.
[02:51] <omeow> (Yo no puedo confirmar el texto en las texto-reas se sangrando negativamente, pero puedo confirmar el textareas para ser demasiado grande. )
[03:00] <Riddell> rouzic: I will try and solve it, I havn't yet
[03:20] <Hobbsee> !info automake1.7 edgy
[03:20] <ubotu> automake1.7: A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.7.9-9 (edgy), package size 382 kB, installed size 1292 kB
[03:35] <rouzic> Thanks Riddell
[03:45] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:46] <rouzic> Is it possible to use Edgy nowadays?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> rouzic: currently, yeah.
[03:47] <Hobbsee> nixternal: jjesse ping?
[03:48] <jjesse> Hobbsee: pong
[03:49] <Hobbsee> jjesse: not sure when you came in, but i mentioned to nixternal earlier about a doco update for the restricted page - on the section with dvds, and the install-css.sh
[03:49] <jjesse> ok
[03:49] <Hobbsee> jjesse: whichever of you wants to do it is welcome - the file path changed, and i fixed the bug so that it actually works now :)
[03:49] <jjesse> ok is that wiki.kubutu.org/RestrictedFormats ??
[03:49] <Hobbsee> !restricted
[03:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:50] <jjesse> what was the bug?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> jjesse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-38508785e53c611dde1859232189b2e823135eb9
[03:50] <rouzic> Already that is not stable, but I am charmed with using software in beta :p
[03:50] <Hobbsee> jjesse: also, that section about not working on amd64 can be removed, on edgy at least - upstream fixed that
[03:51] <Hobbsee> rouzic: fo rsome reason, i lost my ethernet a few days ago.  go figure, as to why.
[03:51] <jjesse> ok will add it to the to-do list
[03:52] <jjesse> Hobbsee: whats the bug # so i can grab the correct path
[03:52] <rouzic> ufff, 809 updates packages xD
[03:52] <Hobbsee> jjesse: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[03:52] <Hobbsee> rouzic: that few?
[03:53] <jjesse> Hobbsee: added to list
[03:53] <Hobbsee> jjesse: :)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> jjesse: dont mind who does it, as long as it gets done :)
[03:55] <rouzic> When I updated to dapper, 600 packages were alone
[03:59] <rouzic> Riddell: what KDE being this used in Edgy?
[03:59] <seaLne> 354
[04:01] <rouzic> oks
[04:03] <rouzic> Which is the most current Knot?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> rouzic: 1, at the moment
[04:03] <rouzic> Perfect :D
[04:03] <Hobbsee> rouzic: i believe that knot 2 is being released later this week
[04:05] <rouzic> I cannot wait :p
[04:06] <Hobbsee> rouzic: there are daily cd's too...
[04:06] <jjesse> are dowload knot 1 and then just do daily updates :)
[04:07] <rouzic> daily cd's?
[04:07] <jjesse> each day a new cd is built and avilable for download
[04:07] <jjesse> rouzic: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/
[04:08] <rouzic> Humm, Thanks
[04:09] <rouzic> That happy I am with kubuntu, they have everything what I need:)
[04:12] <rouzic> Do and to install Kubuntu in my MacBook need to make something special? Or the same thing that hize with Dapper?
[04:14] <rouzic> There is no a Desktop CD?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> rouzic: there's an alternate cd, whcih doesnt include a live c
[04:14] <Hobbsee> d
[04:15] <jjesse> there is a daily live cd seperate section
[04:16] <rouzic> In dapper, Grub does not allow to start in the MacBook, a version updated of the Grub allows it?
[04:17] <rouzic> Or this LILO in alternate your CD?
[04:23] <rouzic> Already I am going to start installing it
[04:34] <Hobbsee> right, that's three more merges done for the day.
[04:38] <Hobbsee> oh you bastard of a piece of software.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> http://rafb.net/paste/results/lHjwJO32.html
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what would be the impact of stopping that file from trying to be installed?
[04:45] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it would probably break last.fm support
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, thought you might say that
[04:45] <uniq> we want last.fm support! :)
[04:46] <Riddell> but if the file doesn't exist any more it may not be needed
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, yeah.  that's what i'm thinking at
[04:46] <Riddell> find . -name lastfm.protocol
[04:46] <Riddell> does that turn up anything?
[04:46] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 131299 in xinerama "drag and drop maximized windows to move them across xinerama screens" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no, but i'm not sure where i'm supposed to be running that
[04:48] <seaLne> does anyone else get this error in amarok "no suitable demux plugin" where it won't play anything, then after awhile if you try again it will play stuff?
[04:49] <Riddell> Hobbsee: root of the amarok source
[04:49] <uniq> seaLne: i got that in codeine the other day.. don't remember what i did to fix it.
[04:50] <omeow> seaLne, I get that error all the time.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good, that was where i was trying
[04:50] <Hobbsee> oh grr.
[04:50] <omeow> It only happens with streaming radio though.
[04:50] <seaLne> it seems to be related to the xine engine
[04:50] <seaLne> streams is mainly wat i listen to
[04:50] <omeow> Right. Me too.
[04:51] <seaLne> groove salad++ :)
[04:51] <omeow> It happens for me when it can't connect to the server or if the server is full.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> darn it!
[04:56] <Hobbsee> seems to usually be in /amarok/src/
[04:57] <Hobbsee> gah.  fixed it.
[04:58] <danimo> re
[04:59] <ubuntu> Hi, I am in the Desktop Edgy's CD, if I have some problem, I will warn you
[05:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: they renamed the file :P
[05:00] <Riddell> ubuntu: which build?
[05:01] <ubuntu> i386
[05:01] <Riddell> ubuntu: todays? knot 1?
[05:01] <ubuntu> Knot 1
[05:02] <ubuntu> I need the Live to see if it works correctly, there are problems with the language, but it does not worry me now
[05:04] <ubuntu> Riddell: Does Grub's version already allow to start from MacBook?
[05:04] <Riddell> ubuntu: no
[05:05] <danimo> Hobbsee: 1.4.1 is still not in edgy?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> danimo: it is, i'm looking at 1.4.2beta1
[05:05] <danimo> Hobbsee: ah :)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> oh darn, we're in UVF
[05:05] <danimo> Hobbsee: what does it offer?
[05:05] <danimo> UVF?
[05:05] <ubuntu> Riddell: Then do I need to install Lilo and to form it, since I did in Dapper?
[05:06] <danimo> Hobbsee: congrats btw, for surviving the bandwidth limit :)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> danimo: http://amarok.kde.org/  - full changelog is attached.
[05:06] <Riddell> ubuntu: I don't know
[05:06] <Hobbsee> danimo: hehe!   yeah
[05:06] <Riddell> danimo: upstream version freeze
[05:06] <ubuntu> Oks :)
[05:08] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee and Riddell...sorry Hobbsee for not replying to you, i am sunnin' it up on vacation with the family ;)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> nixternal: not a problem, i was at work anyway
[05:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: next week
[05:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh nice.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> hi abattoir 
[05:11] <abattoir> hello Hobbsee :)
[05:11] <abattoir> were you packaging amarok by any chance?
[05:11] <abattoir> 1.4.2-beta1 that is
[05:11] <Hobbsee> abattoir: yes.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> abattoir: :P
[05:11] <Hobbsee> abattoir: on imbrandon's machine
[05:12] <Hobbsee> abattoir: you can if you want, but it should build/install correctly now....
[05:12] <abattoir> i tried building a package, but got some error during make, and gave up
[05:12] <ubuntu> Riddell: I have seen in the wiki lala Edgy Ideas's section, I have liked this section:)
[05:12] <Hobbsee> abattoir: ah yes - the one about it wanting automake 1.7?  or the one about nto finding lastfm.profile?
[05:13] <abattoir> Hobbsee: nope it was something else... had MAINTAINER in it :P
[05:13] <Hobbsee> abattoir: yeah, scroll up a bit, and you see it's actually whining about wanting automake1.7
[05:14] <abattoir> Hobbsee: oh.. so i should install automake1.7, and give it a go?
[05:14] <abattoir> i'll try that.... thanks
[05:15] <Hobbsee> abattoir: make it use amarok1.7 instead of 1.9.  but there's really not much point in two people doing the same work you know :P
[05:15] <Hobbsee> abattoir: if i knew you wanted it, i'd have left it to you
[05:15] <Hobbsee> abattoir: particularly as it takes a while to compile
[05:15] <abattoir> you mean automake :P
[05:15] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:15] <Hobbsee> i do
[05:16] <abattoir> nah, i dont have plans of making it public, just wanted to mess around w/ packaging... :P
[05:16] <Hobbsee> abattoir: mess with something quicker to compile - or take one of the package requests, and package it.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> abattoir: if you want to fight with something, there's a newer version of kdar upstream.
[05:16] <abattoir> Hobbsee: well, i'd like to learn a bit more first...
[05:17] <Hobbsee> abattoir: /me shrugs.  you learn a lot with doing any of it.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> abattoir: also, there's an old version of kradio on revu - if you wanted to play with that, and upload it...
[05:18] <Hobbsee> yay for screen.  i'll see how that built tomorrow.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> rather, later today.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> it's bedtime.
[05:18] <abattoir> good night
[05:21] <ubuntu> Does iSight work in Edgy?
[05:23] <bddebian> Gnight Hobbsee
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Can I add files to a deb after the fact
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Night Hobbsee
[05:23] <ubuntu> Good Night :)
[05:25] <ubuntu> Already this installed Edgy in the MacBook, for the present there have no been problems
[05:29] <ubuntu> Riddell: it has given me the problem of the Grub, I will install Lilo in order that it works:)
[05:32] <ubuntu> Package lilo is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:32] <ubuntu> ?
[05:34] <Riddell> lilo hasn't built on powerpc
[05:35] <ubuntu> is i386
[05:35] <Riddell> good point
[05:35] <Riddell> should be fine
[05:36] <ubuntu> The installation has not added all the repositories to the sources.list, this it is the problem
[05:37] <ubuntu> Only he added the repository edgy-security main
[05:46] <allee> nite Hobbsee 
[05:46] <Hobbsee> heya allee!
[05:46] <Hobbsee> ltns, my brain tells me
[05:48] <Riddell> imbrandon: what did you sent to iwj at the weekend?
[05:51] <rouzic> Wow, Kubuntu Edgy Installed :D
[05:51] <Riddell> rouzic: macbook?
[05:51] <rouzic> Yes
[05:51] <Riddell> rouzic: Knot 1 or daily?
[05:51] <rouzic> Knot1
[05:51] <Riddell> groovy
[05:52] <rouzic> :)
[05:53] <rouzic> I have problems with the Adept, so I am updating (290 packages)
[05:54] <rouzic> I am happy of Kubuntu, it is the only distro that me has worked in MacBook
[05:55] <rouzic> SuSe also me worked, but it gave to me too many failures
[05:59] <rouzic> Riddell: KDE 3.5.4 does it work in edgy?
[06:00] <Riddell> rouzic: better than it does in dapper
[06:01] <rouzic> :D
[06:02] <omeow> _Sime, is http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/#introduction still updated?
[06:02] <omeow> Or do you have a *.kde.org site now?
[06:21] <rouzic> Riddell: openoffice.org-core version?
[06:22] <Riddell> rouzic: hmm?
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Oh BTW is Edgy shipping Xen ready?
[06:23] <rouzic> Openoffice.org-base: It depends: openoffice.org-core (> 2.0.3) but 2.0.2-2ubuntu12 it is installed 
[06:25] <jjesse> !xen
[06:25] <ubotu> xen is a a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. It can be found at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/
[06:25] <jjesse> !xen edgy
[06:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about xen edgy - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:26] <rouzic> Riddell: The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[06:31] <omeow> rouzic, I had the same problem. 
[06:32] <omeow> You need to try and uninstall everything, and then install the new package(s).
[06:32] <omeow> (everything related to openoffice that is)
[06:34] <_Sime> omeow: that is updated. There is no *.kdo.org site.
[06:35] <rouzic> thanks omeow
[06:36] <omeow> Thanks _Sime.
[06:36] <omeow> You're welcome, rouzic.
[06:37] <omeow> Right.. let's see if the dpms function still locks up my computer.
[06:38] <rouzic> omeow: And since do I do in order that Adept works?
[06:38] <omeow> I don't know for sure, I screwed around a lot with dpkg -P and apt-get
[06:38] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Sorry was that an answer?
[06:39] <omeow> I'm no expert at all on console stuff.
[06:39] <omeow> You'd have to ask someone else.
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Cute. See ubuntu's new name?
[06:41] <Riddell> twonkle
[06:45] <Lure> Riddell: is Knot-1 wort to try on laptop, or should I pick daily?
[06:45] <rouzic> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[06:47] <Riddell> Lure: I wouldn't use daily
[06:47] <Riddell> well, try a live CD maybe, you might get lucky
[06:49] <Lure> Riddell: when is Knot-2 scheduled?
[06:50] <Riddell> "this week"
[06:51] <Lure> Riddell: ok, then I will wait with laptop install until first Knot-2 RC
[07:01] <omeow> rouzic, that probably means adept crashed and now the database is locked because the file is still in use.
[07:01] <omeow> executing "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock" on the commandline should fix the problem.
[07:01] <rouzic> Thanks :D
[07:07] <omeow> http://69.42.73.76/netfu/tmp10020/coollogo_com_98201276.gif
[07:08] <uniq> anyone else have ugly fonts in adept and other apps run as root ? (no anti-aliasing even though it is enabled in roots kcontrol)
[07:08] <uniq> that is for edgy.
[07:08] <omeow> That's something that always annoyed me. 
[07:09] <omeow> You make all kinds of changes in font configuration, window decoration, but admin tools aren't going to use it until you log into the root account and set the same changes as your regular user.
[07:09] <omeow> In any case, about the issue. I had it a few hours ago, I rebooted and that magically fixed the program for some reason.
[07:10] <uniq> I unchecked and then re-checked the anti-aliasing box in roots kcontrol.. and now it works.
[07:11] <omeow> previously, if I unchecked and re-checked and option, it would crash the program on logout.
[07:12] <uniq> well.. this is for root. root isn't logged in.
[07:12] <Riddell> uniq: it happens for all users, unless you specify otherwiser
[07:12] <Riddell> I've no idea why
[07:13] <uniq> hmm.. i've had no problems with my user here.. yet.
[07:13] <uniq> even rebooted after upgradring to kde 3.5.4.
[07:13] <Riddell> you probably have a ~/.fonts.conf already
[07:16] <uniq> I do.
[07:32] <hunger> apt-get update
[07:32] <mornfall> as for the settings problem
[07:32] <hunger> Sorry for that.
[07:32] <hunger> Anyone looking into kde 3.5.4 arts crashes?
[07:33] <mornfall> has anyone ever tried setting KDEDIRS=$KDEDIRS:$HOME/.kde?
[07:33] <mornfall> or even better
[07:33] <mornfall> SUDO_KDEHOME=$KDEHOME ... sudo ... KDEDIRS=$KDEDIRS:$SUDO_KDEHOME
[07:34] <mornfall> add export
[07:34] <mornfall> well
[07:35] <mornfall> test -d $KDEHOME && export SUDO_KDEHOME="$KDEHOME" || export SUDO_KDEHOME="$HOME/.kde" or so
[07:35] <mornfall> or using setenv in kdesu
[07:36] <mornfall> hunger: elaborate?
[07:36] <hunger> root will end up owning files in my .kde
[07:36] <mornfall> bs
[07:36] <hunger> The user will never be able to change them afterwards.
[07:37] <mornfall> if kde chowns files in KDEDIRS (that is, system), then it's a pretty crappy program
[07:37] <hunger> and it will probably break configuring kdm, etc. that runs as root, too.
[07:37] <hunger> mornfall: It does not, but if root changes a setting it will be written as root to KDEDIRS.
[07:38] <hunger> mornfall: I'd feel much saver if you hardlinked the few important settings over into the root account.
[07:39] <mornfall> hunger: that's much more dangerous, though
[07:39] <hunger> mornfall: Then copy the appearance settings.
[07:39] <mornfall> see
[07:40] <mornfall> i have KDEDIRS=...:/usr:/usr/local and it never touches anything under /usr/local
[07:40] <mornfall> i don't see why it should if it was something else than /usr/local
[07:41] <mornfall> if it goes and screws every directory listed under KDEDIRS, that's IMO pretty broken
[07:41] <hunger> mornfall: Maybe you are right.
[07:41] <uniq> i don't think KDEDIRS is the problem.. KDEHOME is the problem.
[07:41] <mornfall> KDEHOME is where the changes are written out, yes
[07:41] <hunger> mornfall: Maybe I am just messing up some env vars.
[07:44] <uniq> hmm.. 
[07:44] <uniq> do you have to set KDE_MALLOC=1 to use fast-malloc ? 
[07:44] <seaLne> raphink: ping?
[07:44] <raphink> pong
[07:51] <mornfall> well, if i was to guess, i'd guess that write locations for root are hard-coded
[07:51] <mornfall> since it writes things under /etc
[07:51] <mornfall> even if i have nothing in KDEDIRS that'd tell it to write there
[07:51] <uniq> mornfall: it doesn't for roots font settings and such.. it uses KDEROOTHOME env variable.
[07:52] <mornfall> uniq: well, KDEROOTHOME is usually unset and defaults to $HOME/.kde for the root's $HOME value, no?
[07:53] <mornfall> so that's hardly a problem
[07:53] <mornfall> and it has precedence over KDEDIRS as well, so if someone changes root settings, that'll take effect too
[07:53] <uniq> mornfall: defaults to ~root/.kde not $HOME/.kde, $HOME can be /home/user if you use sudo/su.. 
[07:53] <mornfall> (to have red widget background eg ;-))
[07:53] <mornfall> "for the root's $HOME value"
[07:53] <mornfall> well
[07:53] <mornfall> you know what i mean :-)
[07:54] <mornfall> ~root is clearer
[07:54] <mornfall> hmm
[07:54] <uniq> yes, i know what you mean. using KDEDIRS would be a nice way to do it..
[07:55] <mornfall> i don't get why it's not done though, because i have rejected about 3-5 reports against adept already that they are not adept bug
[07:55] <mornfall> there must be similar amount of reports in other places
[07:55] <uniq> probably..
[07:56] <uniq> have to go.. girlfriend back home.. needs attention. see you.
[08:57] <DaSkreech> Out of sheer morbid joy Has anyone read Freenode's MOTD?
[08:57] <Riddell> no
[08:59] <DaSkreech> Pretty much has nothing ot do with anything
[09:01] <Riddell> it depends on the server
[09:01] <DaSkreech> I'm on brown
[09:02] <DaSkreech> It's an Ad for DaVinci Code
[09:33] <toma> Riddell: ping
[09:33] <Riddell> seaLne: I need a paragraph from you about lugradio
[09:33] <Riddell> toma: yo
[09:34] <toma> i see bug 53917 is fixed but i can not find the package 
[09:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53917 in Ubuntu "Please sync digikam-doc 0.8.2-1 from Debian." [Untriaged,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53917
[09:34] <toma> digikam-doc is not there
[09:34] <omeow> Riddell, I noticed kaffeine doesn't appear to have working subtitles.
[09:35] <crimsun> toma: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=digikam
[09:35] <Riddell> toma: digikam-doc and digikamimageplugins-doc are in NEW, they'll need to be approved
[09:35] <crimsun> toma: source needs to be NEWed, then it will build, then binaries need to be NEWed
[09:36] <toma> allright. anything i should do?
[09:36] <crimsun> sit tight :)
[09:36] <toma> ow, ow, ow, that is difficult
[09:40] <toma> Riddell: can you approve 53534 for the third time and end this soap?
[09:42] <Riddell> done
[09:42] <seaLne> Riddell: saying what? i'm not good at writing
[09:43] <Riddell> seaLne: what you did there, who you spoke to, reactions from users, how the party went, anything
[09:46] <seaLne> FP?
[09:46] <seaLne> Riddell: first person?
[09:46] <Riddell> seaLne: third
[09:47] <seaLne> k
[09:47] <Riddell> seaLne: to add to http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/lugradio-article
[09:49] <seaLne> ah right
[09:57] <uniq> Riddell: s/Meredyth/Meredith/ in the article.
[10:23] <Riddell> surely something interesting happened
[10:23] <seaLne> yeah but i'm crap at writing
[10:24] <seaLne> thats why my blog is so sparse :)
[10:43] <omeow> Riddell, sho and me are having quite an interesting dialog with the Opera devs about KDE integration. I know I linked you to this thread before, but we've had some more responses.
[10:44] <omeow> http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=150913
[10:46] <omeow> You're more than welcome to leave some comments too. Hopefully we can pursway they to integrate KDE support anyway. :)
[11:14] <omeow> Also Riddell; my apostrophe problem didn't magically go away in 3.5.4 :)
[11:36] <Tm_T> mooooh
[11:37] <Tm_T> 3.5.4 still behaving bad here
[11:38] <omeow> In what way? Suprisingly, I'm having no real bad problems tonight.
[11:39] <Riddell>  /etc/kderc is being ignored
[11:39] <Riddell> I've no idea why
[11:39] <Tm_T> aah that explains a lot
[11:39] <omeow> What does kderc do?
[11:40] <Riddell> tells it to read /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings
[11:40] <Tm_T> wallpaper gone, most of kwindeco settings ignored, konqueror settings partly ignored/fallen back to default...
[11:41] <Tm_T> lot of issues here :p
[11:41] <omeow> Really? I'm fortunately having none of that. :)
[11:42] <Riddell> it only happens in dapper
[11:42] <Riddell> it's evil
[11:42] <Riddell> I've wasted a whole day on it and not got anywhere
[11:43] <Tm_T> Riddell: sorry to hear that
[11:44] <omeow> How come it only happens on dapper? Or is that dapper with 3.5.4?
[11:44] <Riddell> dapper with 3.5.4
[11:44] <Tm_T> anything I can do to help?
[11:45] <Riddell> not that I can think of
[11:45] <Tm_T> meh, then I keep compiling KDE4
[11:46] <Tm_T> somehow I don't get account dialog work in kopete :p
[11:46] <Riddell> you should make us some .debs
[11:47] <Tm_T> yeah, I should
[11:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: btw we need new kopete packages soon
[11:53] <Tm_T> 'ICQ is "too old" again.'
[11:54] <Tm_T> well, topic of #kopete says so
[11:55] <Riddell> mm
[11:55] <Riddell> does that apply for 0.12.1 too?
[11:55] <Tm_T> yes
[11:55] <Riddell> mm
[11:55] <Tm_T> that's "again" part :p
[11:56] <Riddell> fancy doing an update for dapper-updates and edgy?
[11:57] <Tm_T> I doubt I manage to do that, sorry
[11:57] <Riddell> we'll just get hobbsee to do it :)
[11:57] <Tm_T> :p
[11:59] <Tm_T> I really really hope I get good news next week when I see a doctor
[12:01] <Riddell> me too
[12:03] <Tm_T> if I can drop my medication and so, I will be able to start my comeback in weeks :)
[12:03] <Tm_T> yes, that means I will be here annoying you all 24/7 ;)