[12:07] <kwwii> time for bed, see you all tomorrow
[01:11] <troy_s> AndyFitz, greetings.
[01:11] <AndyFitz> g'day troy_s
[01:11] <troy_s> how are things with you?
[01:12] <AndyFitz> pretty good.  its been a full weekend.
[01:12] <troy_s> have you been busy?  we could probably use your help as soon as Frank culls the various directions for production.
[01:12] <troy_s> Hopefully everyone will engage in the 'mix and match' of production, but I fear we will really need everyone to step up if they can.
[01:18] <mhz> hi there
[01:18] <mhz> anyone here at this hour?
[01:20] <AndyFitz> troy_s  ,  I don't have the time free id like to have.  but I'll be helping out here and there
[01:21] <troy_s> AndyFitz, anything is helpful.
[01:21] <troy_s> limited resources on all of our parts...
[01:21] <troy_s> mhz, north americans :)
[01:48] <mhz> What do you guys use to print CD labels?
[01:48] <mhz> I desgin them on Inkscape
[01:48] <mhz> but i do not print from it
[01:49] <mhz> I set the letter size page according to the paper size I'll use for cd labels, but when I print, both CD label sizes get reduced and so do margins :(
[02:03] <troy_s> mhz, you will need to set your page constraints properly
[02:03] <troy_s> so that your printer prints accurately
[05:06] <mhz> troy_s: and is it normal that page constraints reduce the CD lable sizes ?
[05:37] <troy_s> mhz, to the best of my knowledge, yes.
[05:37] <troy_s> your printer has built in page constraints in addition to those... there is a test somewhere.
[05:38] <mhz> puf!
[06:09] <mhz> troy_s: any other app to make cd lables than inkscape and that lets me organize the measures between the 2 CD lables on letter size page? (that has no constraints)?
[06:14] <Madpilot> mhz, there's gLabels, but it's got fairly limited drawing tools. Excellent printing support, though
[06:25] <mhz> Madpilot: yeah..but not good enough :(
[06:25] <mhz> how do professionals do when they use inkscape?
[06:25] <mhz> or gimp?
[06:34] <Madpilot> not sure
[06:43] <troy_s> mhz there is some label prog out there
[06:43] <troy_s> glabel maybe?
[06:44] <troy_s> can't remember... do an apt-cache search label
[06:44] <troy_s> and it would probably work.
[06:44] <mhz> hehehe, I already did
[06:44] <mhz> long ago, on friday
[06:44] <troy_s> was it glable mhz?
[06:44] <mhz> I even installed some perl based program
[06:44] <mhz> glables
[06:44] <troy_s> and it didn't work?
[06:45] <troy_s> mhz what type of printer do you have?
[06:45] <mhz> troy_s: it works to print lables
[06:45] <mhz> howver, you can't do what gimp or inkscape does
[06:45] <troy_s> because i know there is a way to set your printer size so that cd labels come out 1:1
[06:45] <troy_s> hrm... can't you import a
[06:45] <troy_s> file into it and print them to cd?
[06:46] <mhz> so, you gotta import a png or jpg from glables
[06:46] <mhz> and then it sucks
[06:47] <mhz> so, my question is... There must be a FLOSS way to get professional work print
[06:47] <mhz> or Canonical makes and sends non-FLOSS professional artwork to print?
[06:48] <mhz> (maybe the latter) :(
[06:49] <troy_s> well most of the official stuff is merely calibrated to page size
[06:49] <troy_s> your printer has adjustable output margins (all relative) and you can set those
[06:50] <troy_s> so if you align your crosshatches, you are good to go
[06:50] <troy_s> but you do need to calibrate your printer so that 1 inch in gimp/inkscape == one inch of print.
[06:50] <troy_s> i remember this because i got into dabbling with that a little bit when i was trying to calibrate my printer a while back.
[06:55] <mhz> troy_s: thx
[06:55] <mhz> troy_s: so you print from inkscape ?
[06:55] <troy_s> basically, your calibrations are your weak link in every tech gap
[06:56] <troy_s> whether you want your visual 'blue' to be blue on print/screen/whatever
[06:56] <troy_s> or your x size to be x size -- all comes down to calibration
[06:56] <troy_s> and there just isn't a magic bullet (despite what a lot of commercial tools would like you to believe)
[06:56] <troy_s> generally, i always take my target and compare direct results
[06:56] <mhz> troy_s: please clarify this to me.... If I make a PDF from my SVG, should this PDF still keep CD label size? or the constraints will always play a role there?
[06:57] <troy_s> mhz:  who is printing it?  target?
[06:57] <mhz> target
[06:57] <troy_s> target?
[06:57] <troy_s> as in the company?  what is your printing target?
[06:57] <mhz> If I make a PDF from my SVG, should this PDF still keep CD label size while printing?
[06:58] <mhz> oh, I am printing
[06:58] <troy_s> mhz:  once the program says 'print x inches' to your printer it is out of its hands
[06:58] <mhz> :(
[06:58] <troy_s> now you COULD kludge it, and fix the source so that it matches dest
[06:58] <mhz> hehehe
[06:58] <troy_s> or you could set your printer details
[06:58] <troy_s> so that it works.
[06:59] <troy_s> let me see if i can dig up the links on page constraints
[06:59] <mhz> thx
[07:00] <mhz> troy_s: well, my main concern is that if I made this SVG (Cd label) for the LoCo, and they all use diff printers and diff CD paper brands
[07:00] <mhz> then, we'd all get crazy
[07:01] <mhz> One excellent thing about inkscape is that it has very detailed rule to use and measure paper layout of elements on page
[07:01] <troy_s> indeed.
[07:01] <mhz> so, all LoCo memebers could easily adapt such file to specific needs
[07:01] <troy_s> basically, if your printer is calibrated and you have set ink or gimp to the proper sizes, all is well.
[07:01] <troy_s> yep.
[07:01] <troy_s> but you need to calibrate your local printer to make sure one inch is one inch
[07:01] <troy_s> and there is a way to do that...
[07:01] <mhz> okis
[07:02] <mhz> anohter thing I noticed is that default paper for CD labels is usally ONLY or mostly, the Avery brand. Why would that be so?
[07:03] <mhz> is that really so typical?
[07:05] <troy_s> what make of printer is it?
[07:05] <troy_s> the sizes are sort of set by the mainstream -- for example if you go to staples you can get the no-name version of avery brand labels...
[07:05] <mhz> HP
[07:05] <troy_s> hp has a raw format for precise printing...
[07:05] <troy_s> pbm2ppm has more info
[07:06] <mhz> troy_s: ok, i'll google for pbm2ppm
[07:07] <troy_s> http://www.shallowsky.com/software/cdplugins/
[07:09] <troy_s> mhz, try that page too... it has gimp specific plugins.
[10:58] <msikma> Hey all
[02:07] <msikma> Where is Frank Schoep? He on vacation?
[02:08] <msikma> I sent him a mail but haven't heard from him.
[03:31] <lapo> hi
[03:32] <troy_s> greetings lapo
[03:33] <troy_s> msikma, Frank is darn busy.
[03:34] <troy_s> msikma, I am sure he will get back to you when he can.
[03:37] <lapo> yo troy_s
[04:41] <newz2000> Anyone here good at making icons for Windows programs? (ico files)
[04:41] <newz2000> Bazaar is having troubles.
[04:51] <msikma_> If all you want is an ICO file as simple as possible, you can just make a BMP and rename it. The top-left pixel is the transparency value.
[04:51] <msikma_> At least, that worked back in Windows 95...
[05:00] <andreasn> newz2000: I think you can create ico-files with gimp, otherwise I would recommend microangelo
[08:16] <cbx33> ping troy_s
[08:17] <cbx33> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds
[09:59] <lapo> hi
[10:41] <FiberOptics> Hello