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[03:07] Amaranth: use upgrade, not dist-upgrade :-) [03:08] jdub: No, ubuntu-base got dropped and it was the only thing depending on ubuntu-minimal. [03:08] Amaranth: ah, using aptitude? [03:09] jdub: No, was reading changelog, saw ubuntu-base didn't exist anymore, removed it. :) [03:10] synaptic then shows ubuntu-minimal and all it's dependencies as autoremovable, nothing seems to pull them in. [03:11] I'm thinking if I were to do a fresh install it would be one of those marked as manually installed so this wouldn't be a problem, I just marked it to be reinstalled so it would be in manually. === _Gandalf_ [n=_Gandalf@mal35-2-82-225-70-234.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcsmith [n=jcsmith@wv-morgantown-cdnt1-bg1-4c-104.mgtnwv.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.92.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:21] mdz: should i send the announcement to -devel or -devel-announce? [04:22] zul: hey, i saw you upload xen love yesterday or so - rad! [04:22] jdub: yep...working version was uploaded today/yesterday ;) [04:23] zul: yay! [04:23] did it build? [04:23] yep.. [04:23] both userland and xen-kernel [04:23] rad [04:23] onya! [04:23] amd64 is next [04:23] good work [04:23] thanks.. [04:24] just have to make it better now.. [04:24] is it in a works-but-not-Just-Works state atm? [04:24] jdub: i was using it this afternoon === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:25] works but needs some tweaking of course and testing other than me [04:25] hrm, i can't see the xen-image === ajmitch should test on the laptop :) [04:26] hmm...must not be in the archive yet [04:26] zul: is xen-utils-3.0 supposed to conflict with xen-utils or xen-tools? [04:27] Setting up xen-utils-3.0 (3.0.2+hg11127-2) ... [04:27] ldconfig: /usr/lib/libblktap.so.3.0 is not a symbolic link [04:27] === TomB [n=ownt@ACD81603.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:28] heh [04:28] xen-tools creates the images...xen-utils is the userspace stuff [04:28] eh? [04:28] $ ls /usr/lib/libblktap.so* [04:28] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11K 2006-07-29 20:57 /usr/lib/libblktap.so.3.0 [04:28] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11K 2006-07-29 20:57 /usr/lib/libblktap.so.3.0.0 [04:28] [04:28] grrr.. [04:29] oh, that's an unfortunate package name weirdness [04:29] im going to go shoot myself ;) [04:29] nono! don't do that! [04:30] jdub: works for me...i dont get that message [04:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy [04:31] of course when..xen-image gets in the archive [04:31] zul: do you have two files, or a file and a link? [04:31] two files [04:32] yeah, that's still b0rk === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:35] jdub: what if you run xm? [04:35] zul: i don't have xen-image yet :) === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:35] just to see if it runs :) [04:35] zul: things using that lib will run fine, it's just an unnecessary duplicate file [04:36] it runs and b0rks: [04:36] ah ok [04:36] ERROR: Could not obtain handle on privileged command interface (2 = No such file or directory) [04:37] ok ill look into it thanks jdub === infinity quietly processes xen-source from the NEW queue while this conversation's going on... [04:37] heh [04:37] zul: And yes, please fix the duplicae lib. That's not only bad form, it's also wrong. [04:37] ok ill do that [04:37] infinity: btw, are there old things in the NEW queue atm? [04:38] jdub: Define "old"... (are you looking for anything specific?) [04:38] infinity: last-exit? [04:38] there were some grumblings about that a few days ago [04:38] jdub: Oldest thing is 2 weeks old, so not really all that old. last-exit is 12 days old, yes. [04:39] jdub: I only do source NEW processing when I'm in the right frame of mind, cause it requires license checking, etc. [04:39] jdub: And I suspect Kamion and Keybuk are in the same boat. [04:39] yeah [04:41] Hi infinity [04:42] infinity: which is never? :P [04:42] Hobbsee: No, I do it occasionally. I know Keybuk's done some recently.. === Hobbsee wonders about the status of dapper's kdenetwork - is that sitting in a queue somewhere, forgotten about? do you know, infinity? === Hobbsee hasnt checked today [04:43] The NEW queue is very short right now, and nothing's older than 2 weeks, so I'm not sure that "never" is fair. [04:43] infinity: i'm kidding, cant you see the :P? [04:43] Hobbsee: Ahh, that's in dapper's unapproved queue. Did it have approval from mdz to be uploaded? Can you forward that approval to the ubuntu-archive mailing list? [04:44] infinity: it did, i'd have to look up the logs for it. [04:44] infinity: mdz eyeballed the patch, talked to the upstream maintainer, then ack'd it [04:45] Hobbsee: Right, well please either dig up said approval, or just get mdz himself to do the queue manipulation for it. [04:45] DIG UP THE APPROVAL! [04:45] i want to see some h0t dead approval action [04:46] infinity: yay! found the log :) [04:46] Hobbsee: Hot stuff. Mail away, and I'll accept the upload. [04:47] infinity: gah. /me looks up where the ubuntu archive mailing list is too. [04:48] ubuntu-archive@l.u.c, I believe. [04:48] Yup. [04:48] Wow, we get a lot of asian span to that list. === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.92.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:48] spam, too. === infinity never really noticed until he checked the archives. [04:49] infinity: all of ubuntu tends to get lots of asian spam, including various people like myself [04:49] anyone use nullmailer? [04:49] jdub: Have in the past. Not much to "use" about it, really. === Hobbsee wonders why it refuses to work [04:50] infinity: did you use tls or smtp auth with it? [04:50] jdub: I tend to prefer ssmtp, if the goal is just to have a /usr/sbin/sendmail that gets stuff off the host ASAP. [04:51] i need something that queues and can do tls [04:51] jdub: Oh, you're actually running nullmailer on port 25? Yeah, don't recall ever bothring to do that. [04:51] ssmtp doesn't seem to queue [04:51] infinity: client auth, i mean === jdub tries nullmailer [04:51] long time since i've usedi t [04:52] Anytime I actually need an MTA that queues and does useful things, I just use a full-featured on, like exim4 or postfix. [04:53] yeah [04:53] infinity: sorry to be a pain, but the email is screwing up for some reason. pastebin of the email is at http://pastebin.ca/107657 [04:53] I don't think nullmailer supports TLS. I am happy to be proven wrong however. [04:53] i'm hoping to remove postfix to ramp up laptop battery life [04:53] yay - longer battery laptop life is good! [04:54] TheMuso: yeah, doesn't seem to [04:54] bummer === jdub considers whether he should soften the tls requirement on his server [04:55] anyone know what i can do to debug suspend problems? [04:59] nm, suse wiki has interesting things [05:00] Hobbsee: Okay, that's good enough for me, I guess. === infinity accepts the upload. [05:01] infinity: thanks. there is a longer log, but it took a while - you're free to delve into fabbio*ne's logs for it though [05:02] Anyone know what is up with lamont these days? I haven't "seen" him for ages? [05:03] bddebian: Busy working, mostly. [05:04] infinity: thanks [05:06] yay! found a powerpoint === Hobbsee hides in a corner of the room [05:07] infinity: Do you think he'd care if I did his Universe merges? [05:07] bddebian: no, i've already done some, and yet to be killed for it [05:07] :-) [05:07] Actually Kamion and Keybuk are probably going to kill me for all the sync requests :-) [05:09] bddebian: no they wont. === Hobbsee wonders if the ralink drivers will ever make it into l-r-m [05:10] Probably too early for mdz yet eh? [05:10] bddebian: it is 8pm here, assuming he as home [05:11] s/he as/he is at/ [05:11] Oh, hmm [05:11] Hi Burgundavia btw :-) [05:11] hey === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joshuapurcell [n=joshua_p@c-67-174-81-74.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC_ [n=bcollins@72.169.114.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel === purserj [n=purserj@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:00] HOBBSEE I STILL OWE YOU A SMITE >:| [06:00] bluefoxicy: whatever for? === Hobbsee smites bluefoxicy [06:00] But I am not really that angry now and really don't fele like it, so you get off easy. [06:00] >:| for going psycho on me this morning [06:01] Hobbsee: Hence why he brought it up :-) [06:01] heh [06:01] good afternoon/evening/morning all === Hobbsee would never put herself into a position where bluefoxicy had the opportunity to give her a smite. [06:02] I have a question regarding the breezy livecd installer, I need to preseed the xconfig stage however I can't seem to find where I can do that [06:04] bluefoxicy: all I remember was you being less than respectful [06:06] purserj: in general, this is not a support channel. there also was no breezy livecd installer. Do you mean the text installer, or the dapper livecd one? [06:06] Sorry, I meant the bootstrap process that the livecd goes through. [06:07] Burgundavia: I fail to see in what way; the line of thinking was the same line this girl was following http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=192551&cid=15806787 [06:07] at any rate enough [06:10] Sorry I realise that this is not a support channel, however the documentation covering this particular aspect of Ubuntu seem s to be sparse at best so I thought I would ask the question here. I had asked a couple of ubuntu devs and they recommended I come here and ask the question [06:11] purserj: hmm, I know nothing of how that works, sorry [06:11] thanks anyway [06:11] good luck [06:12] thanks, I had been told either Kamion or daniels might know something about it [06:12] daniels no longer works for canonical, but Kamion is a good bet [06:13] ta [06:13] if you are playing with the livecd, Mithrandir is a good choice [06:13] but he won't be around for at least a couple of weeks [06:13] ah, true, lucky bastard just got married [06:13] s/just got/is getting/ [06:13] next weekend, iirc === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:14] heh. [06:14] I'm not gonna get married [06:14] Apparently it pushes you into the next tax bracket when you both have jobs, so your taxes go up. [06:14] I'll wait around if thats okay, see if I can catch Kamion [06:15] Plus I don't think it's legal in thiss tate. [06:15] bluefoxicy, thats easily taken care of, have kids, watch the tax brackets fall away [06:15] purserj: 1) I hate kids; 2) I'm running every possible scenario in my head right now but I don't see any of them resulting in small derived copies of my DNA [06:16] all this is suitable for -offtopic [06:16] I think I'm still banned from there === bddebian can't imagine why [06:17] bluefoxicy: did you ask to be unbanned? [06:18] Hobbsee: no; I assumed it would fall off eventually, or that my hostmask etc would eventually change like with #grsecurity [06:18] Hobbsee, so's my sister [06:18] bluefoxicy: doesnt appen. [06:18] Oh. Well then yes somebody probably needs to unban me before I can get back in. [06:20] quite likely. [06:20] anyway... [06:24] oh man === desrt cries [06:24] desrt: good evening? [06:24] edgy just ate my laptop. === Xoff [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:25] desrt: your macbook? [06:25] ya [06:25] it's in pain. bad. [06:25] no l-r-m yet, i guess [06:25] bluefoxicy: I'm not seeing the ban that's keeping you out === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:26] Heya tritium === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-195-211.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:26] hi bddebian [06:27] tritium: oh, seems gone. Wasn't gone when I started my client [06:28] bluefoxicy: okay, I had just opped up to unban you :) [06:36] bluefoxicy: i find your latest blog post extraordinarily offensive [06:37] bluefoxicy: You have a blog? [06:37] bddebian: http://bluefox.kicks-ass.org/blog/ [06:38] jdub: it is not meant to be friendly, it's meant to make a point. Opinions you don't agree with are naturally offensive. [06:39] besides, this isn't the place to discuss such things. [06:40] And on that note, guess it's time to go to bed. Gnight folks [06:40] bluefoxicy: that is not true. there are many things i don't agree with that are not offensive to me. [06:41] in any case it's not even remotely an open source problem [06:41] it's a common theme across most technical fields === Hobbsee notes that the comments to that blog post are off. probably a good idea. [06:42] HrdwrBoB: (apart from us having 1.5% females vs. 25% in proprietary software industry) [06:42] HrdwrBoB: it appears to be a worse problem in the oss world [06:42] HrdwrBoB: (that indicates a localised problem) [06:42] true [06:43] though I would wager that's because women will do it for money, but not because they love it (in general) [06:43] I think more women is a great thing, because they appear to be interested in different things. I hate stereotypes, but I think it is true === davidme [n=davidme@206-124-154-034.atm02.sea.blarg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:45] jdub: 'industry' [06:45] does that include non-technical people? [06:45] HrdwrBoB: if it does, it shows us something [06:45] OSS is bad at keeping non-geeks and non-technical people [06:45] oh, and attracting them as well [06:46] private industry has 'sales' [06:46] 'marketing' [06:46] much deeper levels of management [06:46] HrdwrBoB: read the flosspols report [06:46] thus with a smaller absolute "market" of women to attract, we are doing very badly attracting the "soft" side [06:46] jdub: thanks === Hobbsee wonders who "the other girl" is [06:47] HrdwrBoB: has lots more information about the context of the research [06:47] and recommendations for things to do to improve the situation [06:47] (a direct inspiration for GNOME's WSOP) === Amaranth wonders if Hobbsee is one of the ones talked about [06:48] jdub: most likely due to the fact that a lot of girls wont put up with high levels of shit and sexual harassment. that's why your women numbers are down. and the fact that if the person gets harrassed here, nothing gets done, and they can do it ove rand over - whereas in propriatary software, the guy loses his job, and finds it incredibly hard to get another one [06:49] Hobbsee: actual research results in flosspols :-) [06:49] Amaranth: ah, yeah, i would be - based on the fact that there arent that many women in here anyway :P process of elimination [06:49] jdub: true. that's my take on it, anyway [06:49] Hobbsee: you're the only one i know of, actually [06:49] jdub: i did see those research results [06:50] Amaranth: yeah, exactly. simira wasnt there [06:50] well, wasnt talking [06:50] Hobbsee: given what passes for discourse in other oss communities, if even a small percentage of that comes out as sexist, I am not surprised if a woman would just up and leave [06:50] Hobbsee: possibly getting married at the time [06:50] jdub: yeah, that's what i thought [06:50] Burgundavia: quite likely === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:51] hi BenC [06:51] possibly not sexist [06:51] but there are high levels of abuse just in general [06:51] very ..er.. vocal. arguemnts [06:52] HrdwrBoB: a lot of the sexism is unintentional, but it's there [06:53] and there's no checks and balances [06:53] or cheques [06:53] moins ladies and gents , hows the -devel world this great day ? [06:54] isn't it a 'check' as in 'to check' not a cheque as in money? [06:54] HrdwrBoB: no :-) [06:57] my research disagrees [06:57] but no matter === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:33] doko: good news, ironpython compiles with a patched copy of the mono packages we have, and I have a (very basic) package working === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=crack@host-87-74-89-130.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] ajmitch or crimsun either of you guys arround ? [08:08] err wrong chan === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] hi again all === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B2F9B.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:28] Hobbsee; goodday [08:28] desrt: :) === desrt just took the edgy plunge [08:28] desrt: got anywhere with the laptop? [08:28] ajmitch; things are much better now [08:28] good morning [08:28] that's good [08:29] ajmitch; l-r-m missing was my fault [08:29] desrt: yay [08:29] ah, that can cause issues if you need it [08:29] ajmitch; and i managed to repair ooo by stracing it to find out what file it was missing and copied it over from my other box [08:29] what was missing? === ajmitch hasn't seen it die on his machines here [08:29] /etc/openoffice/sofficerc === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:29] oh - btw. there is a symbol conflict in the madwifi drivers... so madwifi-ng users get pwned [08:29] there's probably a bug open about OOo [08:30] that info could be added there [08:30] yep, bug 54590 [08:30] Malone bug 54590 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org-* doesnt launch (edgy)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54590 [08:30] thanks crimsun [08:30] wlan and new_wlan both have a symbol ether_sprintf [08:32] i think i'll confirm that bug? [08:42] morning [08:42] hi sivang! === sivang hugs Hobbsee === Hobbsee hugs sivang in return. how are you doing? [08:43] Hobbsee: going to PM === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] Stefan Potyra [08:48] does anyone know who this is? [08:48] sistpoty, one of the MOTUs [08:48] why? [08:48] he said on revu that he uploaded a package of mine on july 20 but it doesn't appear to have hit universe yet [08:48] might be stuck in NEW [08:48] i checked soyuz build logs -- no hits for it [08:48] Good morning [08:48] hi pitti [08:48] pitti; word up. [08:49] desrt: check on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue [08:49] morning [08:49] ajmitch; ah. there it is. [08:49] what is this NEW queue? [08:49] hi Hobbsee, moin desrt [08:49] moin moin [08:50] what is moin, anyway? [08:50] desrt: packages that have to be checked by the ftp masters for licensing, sanity, etc === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [08:50] desrt: packages that are new to ubuntu that havent been approved^Wlooked over yet [08:50] everything new into ubuntu (and debian) goes through this process [08:50] i see. [08:51] sounds like a generally good idea [08:52] the more i learn about all of this insane infrastructure the more convinced i become that things are done in a good way [08:52] which is pretty much the opposite from what you'd expect, given how everything else on earth works :) [08:52] lol [08:53] it's like working at a fast food place [08:53] the more you learn about it the less you want to eat the food [08:53] :) [08:54] desrt: gives you an idea of how hard it is to stick bad software in the repos, etc [08:54] and of quality control [08:55] sort of reassuring that it takes more than one person to get a package into the distro === bmon [n=monnahan@226.Red-83-40-48.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@111.233-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] desrt: yeah, I have to see what the ftpmasters say about ironpython [09:02] python seems slightly pwned in edgy atm. [09:02] everything with 'py' anywhere in the name seems held back === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [09:02] only because of the transition to the new policy [09:03] where pythonX.Y-foo gets dropped in favour of python-foo [09:03] desrt: it should all be installable [09:04] can somebody of the archive team *please* get jokosher out of binary new === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] crikey. still stuck in purgatory? === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] dholbach: ouch, it's been in there for weeks hasn't it? [09:10] Amaranth: some days, yes, but I really don't envy the archive administrator's job === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] I've got an idea for the GNOME and KDE (and XFCE menus). [09:13] oh my god the ZeroConf thread.. [09:13] Merge the contents of all 3 into one .menu file and in the .directory files for the KDE/GNOME/XFCE specific things put in OnlyShowIn or NotShowIn lines [09:13] oh, and put these .menu and .directory files into a separate package that all 3 desktops depend on [09:14] Of course I'm not sure how any menu editor that currently exists would handle this. :) [09:15] sivang: is it dead yet? [09:19] ajmitch: Seveas requested it's death, or relocation to sounder, not sure what the outcome is :) [09:19] sivang, it's been replaced with the mono thread :/ [09:19] Seveas: as long as that thread doesn't go on for a month as well === YokoZar [n=scott@c-67-188-243-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:21] Seveas: I've seen :-/ [09:21] Is there a security channel? [09:21] YokoZar: not an ubuntu specific one === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] There were recent updates to libfreetype, I assume security ones. Do I need to recompile my packages (Wine) that depend on libfreetype? [09:22] The update manager didn't display the changes in the package [09:23] YokoZar: no, if a package depends on a library package, then it does not have a code copy and thus does not need a separate update [09:23] YokoZar: that's the main point about shared libs :) === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === desrt contributes a few drops to the firehose [09:23] pitti: what bothers me is that the -dev package got updated too === Warbo [n=chris@host81-155-175-21.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] YokoZar: that's unavoidable [09:24] Hi, I have tried to file a bug for nvidia-glx but it isn't in Launchpad. Am I in the right place? [09:24] pitti: I think I understand why [09:24] YokoZar: we can only update a complete source package (it gets a new version), and thus all the binary packages produced from it get a new version [09:24] Yeah, I guess I know that firsthand from my packages, heh [09:25] Warbo: you should be at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-glx/+bugs [09:25] Still, shouldn't something be displayed when I click the changes tab in the update notifyer? [09:25] YokoZar: changelogs seem to be broken ATM, that needs a fix by mvo [09:25] ahh [09:25] pitti: Ah thanks, it didn't come up in a search. I even went through the list of packages page by page :) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] YokoZar: read the USN emails in the meantime, or the USN RSS feed or so [09:26] Thanks dude === Warbo [n=chris@host81-155-175-21.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:31] pitti: I think it's l-r-m, not nvidia-glx [09:31] but it's too late to tell warbo, oh well [09:31] ajmitch: well, above URL has a fair number of bug reports [09:31] heh. [09:31] ajmitch: but you are right, l-r-m is the source now [09:31] and no source package in ubuntu === desrt went through this _exact_ through process in his head a few minutse ago :) [09:32] we'll check with the l-r-m overlords as to whether they should be reassigned === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:33] seb128; right click on your desktop. "create new folder" [09:33] desrt: hi [09:33] hi :) [09:34] desrt: yes, it doesn't show ,hit f5 [09:34] ajmitch; or ^R [09:34] ajmitch; known bug? === ajmitch had fun with nautilus not showing new stuff earlier [09:34] I haven't filed it, would be worth looking for it [09:34] k. i'm searching now [09:34] i'll file it if i don't find anything [09:34] desrt: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348097 [09:34] Gnome bug 348097 in File and Folder Operations "need to refresh the view to get a new directory listed" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [09:35] ah. great. i won't bother you with an ubuntu bug then :) [09:35] ;) [09:38] there comes a time in every boy's life where he has to go to sleep. in fact, there are many such times. now is one of those times for me. [09:38] night night, h4x0rs [09:39] desrt: sleep well [09:39] 'night desrt [09:40] night desrt === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] seb128: btw, I did some cleanup to the apport-gtk dialog layout in bzr head [09:40] hey sabdfl [09:40] moin moin pitti [09:40] pitti: ah, nice, I'll try that later :) === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-189-105.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] In case Kamion gets my ping from earlier, I'd liike to withdraw it, found what I was looking for === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67EA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:07] mvo: do you think you can clean up the confusing icon/tooltips for u-n soon? (both the 'new packages' and 'crash reports' icons have 'crashreport detected' as tooltip) === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD81603.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] pitti: oh? I have not noticed that === _TomB [n=ownthebo@ACD81603.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@81.16.227.227] has joined #ubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xoff is now known as Xof [10:18] purserj: have a look at the kickseed source, handlers/xconfig.sh; it should give you an idea of which debconf questions you need to preseed [10:18] dholbach: jokosher done, sorry for the delay [10:18] purserj: oh, ok, fair enough :) (was reading in scrollback order ...) === dholbach hugs Kamion [10:20] Kamion: thanks a lot === heno [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=crack@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] can anyone tell me aprox which versions of xorg and compiz are going into edgy? (I need that for the compiz-mag project) === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] Kamion, thanks, I actually found what I was looking for in the casper-udeb [10:32] does anybody know how I can get netstat to display full hostnames? [10:34] dholbach: Go numeric, and post-process the output. :) === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:34] infinity: thanks, but I just found the defaulthost in the source of that applet :) [10:46] dholbach: re infinity's postprocessing suggestion: a useful generic way to do that sort of thing is to install libadns1-bin and pipe stuff through adnsresfilter === dholbach installs and tries [10:47] thanks Kamion for the advice [10:50] infinity: did you get round to the dapper livefs builds? === Kamion wants to start beating on that today [10:50] Kamion: If I say yes, and then do so right now, will you notice the timestamps? === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] infinity: maybe ;-) [10:50] (but I won't care much) [10:51] evand: I'll have a look at that libxml2-udeb patch now [10:52] evand: (revu isn't so useful for main packages) [10:53] Kamion: Also, neat trick with adnsresfilter. Where'd you stumble on that one? [10:54] infinity: Ian probably mentioned it ages ago (he's upstream) [10:54] Ahh, so I can complain to him directly about the lack of manpage. :P [10:54] :-) === infinity goes to poke at the dapper livefs thing. [10:56] Kamion: Are we bothering to do point-releases on the non-release arches (at least, for the desktop CD)? [10:57] infinity: probably not [10:57] IIRC we didn't really release those first time round anyway ... [10:57] Not so much, no. [10:58] They were on cdimage, I think, but definitely not on releases. [10:58] I could be wrong, they may not have been built at all. [10:58] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/dapper/release/ [10:59] infinity: but I'm not convinced they were ever actually tested [10:59] yeah, just got there. [10:59] I doubt they were. [10:59] oh, hey, and that has no desktop CD. [10:59] perfect. [10:59] I just got a CD-ROM for my hppa in the mail today. [10:59] And I'm pretty sure I'm the one who's supposed to care about the hppa livecd. [10:59] So, yeah. I'll just fiddle with the other 3 arches. :) === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-087-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] Uhm, yeah. the suite is hardcoded right now. Woo. [11:00]