| Seveas | sladen, depjayds at gmail.com is ubuntu_demon -- another forum admin | 12:27 |
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| kbrooks | Hmmm. lets see. | 01:02 |
| kbrooks | there are old hoary things on the wiki. | 01:02 |
| Burgundavia | kbrooks: hoary is still supported | 01:07 |
| kbrooks | Eh? | 01:08 |
| kbrooks | when will it be unsupported? | 01:08 |
| Burgundavia | kbrooks: when edgy releases | 01:11 |
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| robotgeek | how goes it? | 04:30 |
| Burgundavia | not bad, you? | 04:32 |
| robotgeek | good. having a beer, just finished off pizza | 04:33 |
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| newz2000 | where do you guys file specs for docteam stuff? | 05:37 |
| newz2000 | (on the wiki I mean) | 05:37 |
| robotgeek | hmm, lemme look | 05:38 |
| robotgeek | newz2000: mostly all over the place :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategorySpec | 05:39 |
| newz2000 | robotgeek: Do you like robots? | 05:40 |
| robotgeek | newz2000: yeah, sure | 05:40 |
| newz2000 | My son and I made our first non-autonomous robot this last week... | 05:41 |
| newz2000 | The Radio Shack Vex kit was on clearance... I couldn't resist. | 05:41 |
| robotgeek | oh nice. i will soon buy one, i've used only legos before | 05:41 |
| newz2000 | Hurry, they're running out. | 05:41 |
| robotgeek | nah, not in a hurry really. | 05:42 |
| newz2000 | We had a soccer playing robot built in about 2.5 hours. | 05:42 |
| newz2000 | My son is only 5 years old, so I say "we" but really it was me. | 05:42 |
| robotgeek | soon, my company will sponsor me to mentor a bunch of kids to build robots :) | 05:42 |
| newz2000 | will you use these kits or are you going to do something more DIY, such as PICs/Basic Stamps? | 05:43 |
| robotgeek | i'm looking into building the mintu mp3 player for myself using pics | 05:44 |
| newz2000 | do you have a pic programmer yet? | 05:45 |
| robotgeek | soon, i will have a debugger kit, muhahaha | 05:45 |
| Burgundavia | newz2000: what sort of specs? we are pretty sparing with the specs | 05:45 |
| newz2000 | Burgundavia: Specs for usability testing... prompted by discussion on the mailing list from Friday. | 05:46 |
| newz2000 | I'm classifying them under ubuntu-website though. | 05:46 |
| newz2000 | Robotgeek: Have you found one that works under Linux? I've got two and can't get either to work right. | 05:46 |
| Burgundavia | not really | 05:46 |
| Burgundavia | we have been pretty quiet recently | 05:47 |
| newz2000 | ok. I see that people really aren't using sub-pages much for the specs. | 05:47 |
| newz2000 | That makes me sad. I love order and wikis are so flat. :-( | 05:47 |
| robotgeek | newz2000: nope, i dont think i could use linux at work (as such) | 05:47 |
| Burgundavia | moin makes subpages and name spaces hard | 05:48 |
| robotgeek | for this particular thing, alteast. best app for the job | 05:48 |
| newz2000 | Burgundavia: Tell me about it. | 05:48 |
| Burgundavia | people not using subpages for specs, like putting all specs under Spec/ is the main reason we hived off the help stuff | 05:49 |
| newz2000 | yeah, that was a good plan. | 05:49 |
| newz2000 | Its my dream one day to see more unification and structure to the Ubuntu website. | 05:49 |
| newz2000 | Instead of everyone making a new website for this or that. | 05:49 |
| Burgundavia | well, you are the webmaster now | 05:50 |
| newz2000 | Well, this is not a website run by a webmaster. This is a community website run by the community. | 05:51 |
| robotgeek | oh, are you our webmaster newz2000 ? | 05:51 |
| newz2000 | Si | 05:51 |
| newz2000 | But I like robots too. :D | 05:51 |
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| robotgeek | newz2000: heh, i filed a bug about safari not rendering our website correctly :) | 05:52 |
| Burgundavia | newz2000: the one thing I would love to work on is a new ubuntu.com | 05:53 |
| Burgundavia | the main page, that is | 05:53 |
| newz2000 | Burgundavia, sign up for the website team: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-website | 05:53 |
| newz2000 | robotgeek: where did you file that bug? | 05:54 |
| robotgeek | on launchpad, moment | 05:54 |
| Burgundavia | newz2000: I already have edit rights, but I am not about to start changing the main page willynilly | 05:54 |
| newz2000 | You have edit rights on the main website? | 05:54 |
| newz2000 | Oh, you're corey | 05:54 |
| Burgundavia | absolutely, check recentchanges | 05:54 |
| newz2000 | Nice to meet you. | 05:55 |
| Burgundavia | nice to meet you as wel | 05:55 |
| Burgundavia | my timezone is the same as mdz's, so our schedules don't overlap much | 05:55 |
| newz2000 | Where are you? | 05:55 |
| Burgundavia | Victoria BC Canada | 05:55 |
| newz2000 | I'm in Des Moines Iowa USA. | 05:55 |
| newz2000 | US/Central time zone | 05:56 |
| Burgundavia | I thought you were in the UK, for some reason | 05:56 |
| Burgundavia | well that makes it much easier | 05:56 |
| robotgeek | https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+bug/51312 newz2000 | 05:56 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 51312 in ubuntu-website "Website renders incorrectly using safari" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 05:56 |
| newz2000 | oh, that bug | 05:56 |
| newz2000 | yeah, the system doesn't handle lower screen res that well. | 05:56 |
| newz2000 | We'll fix that on the next rev, later this summer | 05:57 |
| robotgeek | no, its not 800 x 600, its the next one | 05:57 |
| robotgeek | 1024x768 thats it | 05:58 |
| newz2000 | what am I looking for... the overlapping of the nav bar? | 05:58 |
| robotgeek | pretty much | 05:59 |
| newz2000 | Burgundavia: Yeah, it's lonely being in this hemisphere | 05:59 |
| robotgeek | newz2000: i'm in alabama :) | 05:59 |
| newz2000 | robotgeek: The browser window is set to only 800 px wide. | 05:59 |
| Burgundavia | even mdz spends several weeks a year in london | 05:59 |
| newz2000 | I'm heading there in a couple weeks | 05:59 |
| robotgeek | i'll check it out again, newz2000 | 06:00 |
| robotgeek | newz2000: alabama? where in? | 06:00 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, googling a person is quite interesting | 06:00 |
| newz2000 | robotgeek: no, London. | 06:00 |
| robotgeek | hmm, okay. /me is disapponited, lol | 06:00 |
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| newz2000 | sorry. :) | 06:01 |
| Burgundavia | evening mine bruder | 06:01 |
| Madpilot | greetings | 06:01 |
| robotgeek | howdy Madpilot | 06:01 |
| Burgundavia | did you get up today? | 06:01 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, flying? No, hung out here this afternoon then went to work | 06:02 |
| Burgundavia | pity, as the weather is gorgeous | 06:02 |
| Madpilot | there were some wicked CB cells moving through - nasty little squalls dumping lots of rain | 06:02 |
| Burgundavia | newz2000: for the confused, Madpilot is my older brother | 06:02 |
| newz2000 | Ah. Cool. Also in BC? | 06:03 |
| Madpilot | we're both in Victoria | 06:03 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, for flying, the wx today has been mixed - lots of FEW035CB in the reports - which means "wannabe-thunderstorms at 3,500ft" - not nice | 06:06 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, fun | 06:06 |
| newz2000 | robotgeek: I aspire to do more professional (paid) writing. My one by-line was for a book review in Servo magazine. | 06:07 |
| newz2000 | 123 PIC Microcontroller experiments for the evil genius | 06:07 |
| newz2000 | I highly recomend it if you want a book on PICs. | 06:07 |
| newz2000 | The programmer in that book (PicKit 1) is actually supported under linux, but doesn't seem to work in dapper. | 06:10 |
| robotgeek | newz2000: mostly have done fine with the manuals | 06:10 |
| Burgundavia | newz2000: what are the details of this summers revamp of the website? | 06:11 |
| newz2000 | Burgundavia: Still under discussion. I'm suggesting to people with input to file bugs. | 06:12 |
| robotgeek | most of my work in the future will be writing drivers for boards etc which use pics | 06:12 |
| newz2000 | I say "summer" but my guess is that it won't start until the last week of August. | 06:12 |
| newz2000 | robotgeek: Are you doing anything with USB yet? | 06:13 |
| Burgundavia | are we closer to getting a ubuntu-website mailing list? | 06:13 |
| robotgeek | newz2000: nope, we do all our stuff using ethernet | 06:14 |
| robotgeek | i should be working on it in the future though (for mp3 player) | 06:15 |
| newz2000 | Burgundavia: I think we have one... I approved it on Friday, however I didn't know how to complete some of the admin details. So maybe its not active until I do that. | 06:15 |
| newz2000 | I didn't get to that item on my todo list until most of the people were gone for the day, so tomorrow morn I should get the advise I need to finish the admin stuff. | 06:16 |
| Burgundavia | sounds good | 06:16 |
| newz2000 | I honestly dont know how we got by without a webmaster before. I don't understand how Henrik got anything else done. There is so much to do. | 06:17 |
| Burgundavia | you can push stuff off to me, if you want | 06:17 |
| newz2000 | Have you ever played with aspseek before? | 06:18 |
| robotgeek | hmm, thanks to google video's download for ipod option | 06:18 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 06:18 |
| robotgeek | only way for me to watch google videos | 06:19 |
| newz2000 | That's my pet project I'm trying to find time for... right now I'm so frustrated by search. | 06:19 |
| newz2000 | If you go to www.ubuntu.com and type in the search box you get no results... | 06:19 |
| newz2000 | most of the info is on either wiki.u.c or help.u.c. | 06:19 |
| newz2000 | I'd like to find some way to make searching work across sites. | 06:19 |
| newz2000 | However it should be controllable... for example, when searching for help we want to limit the search to the helpsite. | 06:20 |
| newz2000 | I've done this before using ht://dig, but it looks like that product is abandoned. | 06:20 |
| newz2000 | Aspseek seems to be a good alternative... modern, robust, active. | 06:20 |
| newz2000 | Plus it's FOSS, which I think is important. | 06:21 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: you have ops on -offtopic, no | 06:21 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 06:21 |
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| Burgundavia | salut jsgotangco | 06:27 |
| jsgotangco | hey Burgundavia | 06:27 |
| robotgeek | one by one, the doc team files in :) | 06:28 |
| jsgotangco | heh i will just grab some lunch | 06:28 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, I do, yeah - why? | 06:35 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: never mind, | 06:35 |
| Burgundavia | ok, I officially hate my desktop keyboard | 06:40 |
| Burgundavia | it is too stiff | 06:41 |
| newz2000 | bedtime. | 06:49 |
| newz2000 | robotgeek: http://www.create.ucsb.edu/~dano/CUI/ looks promising | 06:49 |
| newz2000 | thanks for the info all | 06:49 |
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| Burgundavia | night all | 08:25 |
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| mdke_ | sladen: no, afraid not - signing up to the forums is a good idea | 09:11 |
| mdke_ | morning | 09:14 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 09:15 |
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| manicka | mdke, any news on the udsf/forums porting project? | 12:09 |
| mdke | manicka: no, we should draw up some ideas and start documenting | 12:09 |
| mdke | the proces | 12:09 |
| mdke | s | 12:09 |
| mdke | gah | 12:09 |
| manicka | hmm, ok | 12:10 |
| manicka | here's a few thoughts | 12:10 |
| manicka | the pages on the udsf are tricky to port to moin moin because of the templates that have been used system wide | 12:11 |
| manicka | I've found it easier to take the pages straight from the forums instead | 12:11 |
| manicka | but the udsf is a good resource for which docs to target | 12:11 |
| mdke | right | 12:12 |
| manicka | kb also claims to have about 5 people interested in working on the project | 12:12 |
| manicka | back to porting, I've been experimenting with copying and pasting from the forums into the moin moin 1.5 personal gui and the tweaking the resulting code | 12:14 |
| manicka | works quite well | 12:14 |
| mdke | good. One more thing that needs to be quite clearly explained is to focus on avoiding duplicating material that already exists on the help wiki | 12:15 |
| manicka | I've also asked Ryan to clarify some licensing questions here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=225453 | 12:15 |
| manicka | no answer as yet | 12:16 |
| manicka | duplication could be avoided by a simple search | 12:16 |
| mdke | we need to clarify them from our side too | 12:16 |
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| manicka | ok | 12:16 |
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| manicka | hi | 12:17 |
| mdke | hi there romana | 12:17 |
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| mdke | manicka: I've answered your query on licensing | 12:25 |
| manicka | I just noticed | 12:32 |
| manicka | i wonder of that is still the case if the original author publishes there knowing that the material will be under that license | 12:33 |
| manicka | the last clause seems to void all those issues with permission | 12:34 |
| mdke | manicka: sorry, can you explain a bit more? | 12:35 |
| manicka | well | 12:35 |
| manicka | * Any of these conditions can be waived if you get permission from the copyright holder. | 12:35 |
| mdke | right, you get permission to waive conditions from the copyright holder | 12:36 |
| manicka | who is the copyright holder I guess is the question | 12:36 |
| mdke | the person who writes the material | 12:36 |
| mdke | all clear? | 12:36 |
| manicka | I think they would argue that they have the copyright, not the author | 12:37 |
| mdke | sorry, I don't understand at all. The Author *is* the person who writes the material | 12:38 |
| manicka | brb, phone | 12:40 |
| manicka | so mdke, the problem seems to come back to the original identified issues. It make the original porting of docs from the forums to the udsf a breach of copyright and subsequently difficult to port to the wiki | 01:13 |
| manicka | if obtaining permission of the author is the issue, you don't really need the udsf's involvement to do that | 01:13 |
| manicka | what is really needed is a team of forum members who would approach other members to get their permission or to assist them to post in on the wiki themselves | 01:15 |
| mdke | manicka: no, hang on. | 01:15 |
| mdke | porting of docs to udsf isn't a breach of copyright if the license is maintained (which it is) and if there is attribution (is this done?) | 01:15 |
| mdke | it's porting of docs to the help wiki that is a problem, and for which you need permission | 01:16 |
| manicka | yes attribution is done I guess, but permission is not sort | 01:18 |
| manicka | and the license is the same | 01:19 |
| mdke | right, so you don't need permission then | 01:19 |
| manicka | ok, i see the dilemma | 01:19 |
| mdke | you only need permission to *change* any of the conditions | 01:19 |
| manicka | from the author | 01:20 |
| manicka | hmmm | 01:20 |
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| manicka | so mdke. what is the answer to making this work? | 01:34 |
| mdke | manicka: I said in my post, you should ask the permission of the author to put the material into the public domain before adding it to help.ubuntu.com | 01:35 |
| mdke | once we've resolved the licensing question, then we will revise that statement | 01:35 |
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| manicka | mips has asked some valid questions in the thread. There is nothing in the sign up about agreeing to creative commons | 01:45 |
| mdke | there is, I believe | 01:46 |
| jjesse | morning | 01:47 |
| mdke | however, it should be much clearer, like on the bottom of every page. I opened a thread about that once, but it doesn't seem to have been implemented | 01:47 |
| mdke | morning jjesse | 01:47 |
| jjesse | monring mdke (or probablly afternoon for you ) | 01:48 |
| mdke | just about | 01:48 |
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| mdke | do you guys have trunk/Rakefile? wtf is that? | 03:50 |
| dsas | it's a Makefile wrote in Ruby | 03:50 |
| mdke | why is it there? | 03:51 |
| mdke | and who made it? | 03:51 |
| mdke | trappist! | 03:51 |
| trappist | mdke! | 03:52 |
| mdke | trappist: what's that all about? | 03:52 |
| mdke | we need a policy of posting to the mailing list about new and funky things | 03:53 |
| trappist | I was hoping to condense some utilities into one place | 03:53 |
| mdke | ahuh | 03:54 |
| mdke | trappist: in particular? | 03:55 |
| trappist | building and validating, in particular | 03:55 |
| mdke | right | 03:55 |
| mdke | but doesn't building also already incorporate validating? | 03:56 |
| mdke | xsltproc spits out invalid xml | 03:56 |
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| trappist | dunno, but a lot of validation happens apart from building, and I thought it'd be nice to consolidate them into one file, cut down on clutter | 03:56 |
| mdke | anyway, i was curious about what it was, nice to know. Maybe you can post about your ideas to the ML? | 03:57 |
| trappist | but of course I didn't delete validate.sh :) | 03:57 |
| trappist | can do. probably shoulda done that in the first place | 03:57 |
| mdke | thanks | 03:58 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:59 |
| mdke | robotgeek: around? | 04:00 |
| mdke | hands up if you have contributed to the add-applications section of the desktop guide? | 04:09 |
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| jsgotangco | nixternal: are you there? | 04:43 |
| jjesse | i think hes on vacation this week? he sent out an email last week if i recall correctly | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | oh yeah | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | but he's not away on irc | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 04:44 |
| jjesse | wow he's on a lot of channels | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | crack addict | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | "Inspired by Jonatha's cry for action" | 04:51 |
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| nixternal | hello!!! | 04:57 |
| nixternal | jsgotangco: im here for a quick second...im enjoying the hot hot weather on vacation ;) | 04:59 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 04:59 |
| jjesse | didn't realize i had made a call to action :) | 05:12 |
| mdke | jjesse: sure, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2006-July/006860.html | 05:18 |
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| jjesse | did the build for the releasenotes for kubuntu get removed from the makefile? | 06:10 |
| jjesse | ah it was changed from make krn to make release-notes | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | mdke: why will links be broken with the new articles? | 06:44 |
| jjesse | because they moved directories? | 06:44 |
| mdke | LaserJock: because there were a lot of cross references, which were to things which are now not in the same document | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | but don't the articles just point to the existing docs? | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | oh wait, sorry | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | I was just thinking of the packaging guide | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | which probably won't get all split up | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | sorry, brain fart | 06:45 |
| mdke | so <xref linkend="add-applications"> in the desktopguide is now broken, because there isn't a section in the desktopguide called "add-applications", it has its own article | 06:45 |
| mdke | I'm actually a bit stumped on how to fix those... I'll need to hash something out with upstream | 06:46 |
| jjesse | i'm looking for someone to apply the diff i sent to the release notes and also someone to review them please ;) | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: you can't apply it yourself? | 08:20 |
| jjesse | LaserJock: forgot to copy my key and the email w/ the password over when i redid this virtual machine | 08:21 |
| jjesse | i have to find it on my computer at home | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: ah | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: dang, that's a decent sized patch | 08:22 |
| jjesse | its basically a total rewrite for bug #48525 | 08:23 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 48525 in kubuntu-docs "Problems with Dapper Release Notes for Kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/48525 | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: well, it validates. I'll commit it. | 08:25 |
| jjesse | LaserJock: thanks | 08:25 |
| jjesse | does doc.ubuntu.com still get updated nightly? | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | something like that | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure what it is exactly | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | but I made changes to the packaging guide and they showed up fairly quickly | 08:26 |
| LaserJock | so it is being generated | 08:26 |
| jjesse | cool, its my oldest bug :) | 08:26 |
| LaserJock | although i don't think the status reports are getting generated | 08:26 |
| jjesse | LaserJock: thanks for uploading that one :) | 08:42 |
| jjesse | i know it was pretty big | 08:42 |
| LaserJock | np | 08:42 |
| jjesse | wow its 97 degrees F out and feels like 107 | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | yeah, we just got the cool-down in the last few days | 08:58 |
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| locutus_ | Does anyone have a list of all the instillation options for Ubuntu? | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | how do you mean? | 10:45 |
| locutus_ | I have a problem that I've seen on some of the forums... | 10:48 |
| locutus_ | When I load Ubuntu, it starts out just fine... | 10:49 |
| locutus_ | But then it freezes up at "Mounting root file systems" | 10:49 |
| LaserJock | k | 10:49 |
| locutus_ | I'm wondering if anyone has a list explaining the boot or install options. | 10:49 |
| locutus_ | All of them. | 10:49 |
| LaserJock | for the text installer? | 10:50 |
| locutus_ | I think so. | 10:50 |
| locutus_ | It's the install options when you put in the CD right at startup. | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | hmmm, I don't know of a list. You might ask the ubuntu-users mailing list or #ubuntu | 10:51 |
| locutus_ | Okay. TX. | 10:52 |
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| manicka | hmm, he should use the alternate cd | 10:52 |
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| LaserJock | manicka: I think that is what he was using | 10:59 |
| manicka | that issue tends to occur with he desktop CD... anyway | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 11:01 |
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| LaserJock | hi theCore | 11:17 |
| theCore | hello LaserJock! | 11:35 |
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