=== cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage peeks in again === mhz [n=mhz@pc-84-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:47] hey HedgeMage [12:48] heya [12:48] how's life? === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-146-141-04.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [01:14] ping RichEd-1 [01:15] any lvm experts around? === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [01:19] I woudn't call myself and expert but [01:22] lvm or User Mode Linux? [01:22] mhz, lvm I would presume === mhz is very interested in UserModeLinux performance and reliability..though me is ignorant about it [01:30] mdz, Xen is better performing [01:30] mhz: they solve quite different problems [01:30] true [01:30] sorry mhz didnt quite tab enough [01:31] mdz: thx for clarifying... Have you used UML ? [01:32] no [01:32] mhz: yes, I used it extensively a couple of years ago [01:33] it does depend on the application [01:33] all i know about it, is that Univ. of Illinois use it for students while they learn Unix SysAdmin. So they log in, they get whole server to practice. [01:33] mhz, we did that for 4 students [01:33] gave them a Xen machine each [01:34] and is performance good enough? is it a reliable solution? [01:35] yeh it worked fine [01:35] it was oen a crappy 400mhz machine [01:35] with only just enough ram [01:35] each VM had 32Mb RAM [01:36] it was for teaching CLI [01:36] they were all logging into each others macines over ssh [01:36] had a great time [01:36] we did some apt-get updating [01:37] nice [01:37] they loved it [01:37] they're only 14 [01:37] I run the "YouthLUG" at the school === mhz will try it as soon as he has his own machine [01:37] mdz, btw, I mailed the list, have had great responce so far :D [01:38] mhz, yeh Xen was pretty easy to isntall [01:38] cbx33: good [01:38] mhz, I downloaded the sources from the net [01:39] it has a nice easy setup script [01:39] IIRC [01:39] I did it on debian === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [01:39] never tried on ubuntu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is a debian fan === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_food === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom_ [n=Rondom@p54AEF241.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_food is now known as mhz === x_madbot [n=marcelo@200.149.58.172] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === lecaros [n=JoseLeca@11-12-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === thompa [n=lucy@c-69-180-208-122.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === thompa [n=lucy@c-69-180-208-122.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu ["Konversation] === Rondom_ is now known as Rondom === Cornellius [n=alain@142-217-38-112.telebecinternet.net] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [07:28] Gonna try using ONLY linn this hd. === KatteKrab [n=kattekra@ppp65-11.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net] has left #edubuntu [] [07:29] errr [07:29] linn = Linux === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [07:31] hey Cornellius that's a good step :) [07:33] That may sound dumb but, how do you mount the floppy in the terminal ? [07:33] mount /dev/something ? [07:33] Well, as root [07:33] mount /dev/fd0 [07:42] Any other good WMs except KDE, Gnome, E and Xfce ? [07:43] fluxbox, openbox [07:44] good? you be the judge ;) === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [08:37] hi ogra ... all trucked out ? === Yagisan waves to ogra [08:45] hey guys [08:46] 'ello dere jsgotangco [08:57] Hi, all [09:01] ogra: just popping in... would this be of any use? http://people.w3.org/~dom/archives/2005/09/setting-up-a-secure-remote-x-session-with-gdm/ [09:02] highvoltage: all those emails bounced. Can you send me an email? corey.burger@gmail.com [09:03] Burgundavia: ok [09:03] highvoltage: cheers! [09:07] highvoltage: are you still pursuing the xfce-edubuntu thingie? [09:08] highvoltage, thats the zenity stuff we looked at in paris, remember ? you need local users on the clients for that [09:08] RichEd, yup, all done :) [09:09] good stuff ... and are your comms all working nicely ? [09:21] highvoltage: one of these days I will get your email right ;) === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [09:39] highvoltage: hi there ... you gotta sec ? [09:59] http://www.ubuntu-ph.org/?q=node/29 [10:03] night' === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-201-161.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:21] ping RichEd [10:21] what time is your meeting? [10:21] cbx33: 10:30 [10:22] hope it goes well [10:22] RichEd: are you in dreary london? [10:22] tomorrow jsgotangco : but at the moment, cape town is dreary & london is sunny from what i hear [10:23] oh right summer blues [10:23] well I wouldn't call it sunny here :p [10:23] RichEd: is the meeting today? [10:24] cbx33: 1hr6 mins is not enough to get from cape town to london ;) [10:24] heheh [10:24] lol [10:25] i just htought it funny you were having the meeting today, and goign to london tomorrow [10:25] unless you blast off from space [10:25] then land near battersea [10:26] hmm its neat that battesea power station would become a commercial complex [10:27] RichEd, the k&k is a very nice hotel btw, i really enjoy sitting in the garden in te morning there with my first coffee :) [10:28] great ... i'll probably be stressing to get to office & wrap up all the threads of the last 3 weeks into some sense to presnet to my new boss ;) [10:29] going to check your emil now ... [10:29] emil <- email [10:31] thanks ogra : some good constructive points [10:32] i hope so :) [10:32] even though most of it is redundant :) [10:32] ogra: 1 last question around this ... (i don't think we need to meet today) would a regular weekly 30 mins IRC chat help for ogra, rodavarus & riched ? [10:33] just a brain dump touch sides sort of a thing [10:33] kind of a edubuntu management meeting ? [10:33] sounds good to me [10:33] yes ... just to drop stuff onto me that is gloating in the heads but not getting around to emailing etc. [10:33] yup [10:33] floating not gloating :) [10:34] redundant = reinforcement = 2 x repeat = needs focus ! [10:35] tx. will let mark know we meet management / core team & silbs & sabdfl & mdz can have a standing optional invite === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [10:39] progress on the ubuntu sounds front :D === cbx33 is now on the artwork mailing list - much more feedback from there [10:40] RichEd: sorry about that strange mail from bolivia [10:41] not sure why it got sent to me [10:42] cbx33: we need support on the ground ... it looks as if the mail contact may be of some help ... thanks for giving some filter thought, but it may just be a case of awkward english [10:43] RichEd, are you listed anywhere as educational contact yet ? website/wiki etc ? [10:45] https://wiki.canonical.com/RichardWeideman <- just here atm ... need to move copy to wiki.edubuntu.com & also announce on fridge [10:45] brb [10:47] RichEd: hi there [10:47] RichEd: what kind of stuff can you do for educational institutes? [10:48] hi spacey ... i'm a programme manager ... not a supermarket :) [10:48] what sort of thing is happening and wherr would you like help ? [10:49] i'll need some specific direction - and then will be willing to help if it is constructive for both parties :) [10:50] can you mail me some background ... urls ... email ... & suggestions ? [10:50] richard.edubuntu@gmail.com [10:52] dang RichEd I was gonna ask for my weekly groceries from you [10:53] wrapped up in an edubuntu bag [10:53] RichEd: well we just have some schools as customer who use edubuntu, and sometimes we get some other interested parties, i wonder what you i can tell them about you :P [10:54] spacey: i'm very willing to help ... but with limited info, all i can suggest is to provide CDs which i know is trivial ... [10:54] so if you could tell me things like what country, what city, any problems, any successes ? [10:55] what sort of people are asking = end users, school administrators ? [10:55] is there a local edu policy on FOSS vs MS ? [10:55] is government interested in FOSS ? [10:55] RichEd, it should also be promoted on www.edubuntu.org (the website) [10:55] (your role i mean) [10:56] that sort of thing ... even if you just dump your thoughts into a mail conversation ... it will be a start of a dialogue [10:56] ogra: noted ... added to my list ... will try for Friday to do that & then hit the fridge with a decent announcement once mark has given me clarity :) [10:57] yup :) [11:01] RichEd: well actually i'm in contact with some people who are lobying at the local government, you think you could mean something for them? === pygi is looking for contributions to libburn, so if anybody's interested ;) [11:02] at least there are no local policies, except that MS gives everything for free :P [11:02] pygi: I'd love to, but I'm swamped ! [11:02] spacey : yes ... i have been tasked with putting together a govt. summary intro for Edubuntu ... this is broader than just s/w and will also include FOSS benefits etc. [11:02] cbx33, ;) [11:03] pygi, did you take over upstream ? [11:03] ogra, indeed I have, finally !!! [11:03] cool [11:03] so we can work on that to start ... i am just tied up now as i fly to london in 7 hours ... can you mail me ? [11:03] ogra, there are several big enchantments coming ;) [11:03] pygi: :D [11:03] well, basic functionallity would be a good start :P [11:04] hahah [11:04] most notable of them for now is complete libisofs rewrite :P [11:04] ogra, tickets please :) [11:04] http://libburn.pykix.org/newticket :) [11:04] RichEd: ok, something like that would be useful. I guess it will be announced when available, or should we keep in contact for that? [11:05] ogra, would be great if you could file tickets for any basic functionality you have in mind =P [11:05] start a mail thread ... i'll bounce stuff backwards & forwards with you ... if i can add your req. to my scope of doc, i will end up with a better doc. [11:06] RichEd: later this week i'll mail you the current situation, [11:06] tx. === pygi looks if there are bugs against libburn in LP [11:07] ofcourse not =P === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [11:39] juliux, ! [11:39] hi ogra [11:40] ogra, how are you? [11:40] juliux, when did you arrange my talk at come2linux ? for sat or for sunday ? (9th or 10th ?) [11:41] ogra, i didnt arrange any thing, [11:41] juliux, i'm fine, move is done ... i just have to unpack all that crap here now :) [11:41] oh, ok ... i thought you were doing that [11:41] ogra, i can ask sven-tek if there is a slot free, but i think there is more then enought solts free [11:42] yep, i just needed to know if you arranged anything already, because i'll likely go to michigan shortly afterwards for a ltsp hackfest and need to arrange my dates [11:42] cool [11:43] well, so so ... its past feature freeze ... [11:43] hehe [11:43] i'd have preferred to work with jammcq and sbalneav a bit earlier ... but i think we'll concentrate on the code merge [11:44] hm i think i have to test the knot this week [11:44] but the dsl connection is here by my partents very very slow [11:45] ogra, vortraege@come2linux.org this is the address for the talks [11:46] 9th and 10th as advertised on the wiki is right ? [11:47] jap [11:47] oki :) [11:47] thats most important :) [11:48] michigan is due for 13th ... [11:48] hehe [11:48] enough time between it [11:48] yeah [11:58] ogra, but i think i will not be in essen [12:07] RichEd, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rich_ed_hackergochi.png <-- reworked to be a real hackergochi :) [12:09] will chekkitout ... brb [12:11] looks like a disembodied ghost head :) but it is probably just me that looks scary [12:12] well, thats how hackergochis look, see http://planet.ubuntu.com [12:12] give me another pic and i can make you one [12:12] ogra: more helpfull would be, writing a howto. :) [12:13] thanks ... not complaining at all ... original comment was from jane ! will sort it out later ... trying to make sure i can get onto my flight with a change of clothes [12:13] lucasvo, there are plenty of howtos for that === RichEd is always willing to learn ... but as yet cannot fly to london without a plane [12:15] ogra: where? [12:15] lucasvo, google ? === RichEd also admits that as yet he might just about qualify for "script kiddie" or "repeat-recipe-bot" so will need to earn hackergochi status [12:17] :) [12:17] naah, everybody should have a hackergochi [12:17] you need to become a member asap ... :) [12:18] and get a blog if you dont have one yet, to get it on planet ;) [12:18] sure ... blog is on my list ( long list :) do you have a recommended host ? [12:19] not really ... i use my own server (but my last blog entry dates back 2 years ago iirc :) ) [12:19] i am to do a "i'm a convert and willing to admit my sordid past and put that behind me" approach [12:19] with a "you too can linux and not be afraid" [12:20] i think that will fit / resonate with a lot of my / our target audience === pygi wants opinions :) [12:26] http://static.flickr.com/63/203738260_54e8624ff8_o.png [12:26] www.blogger.com : Google <- is this home politically correct ? i assume it runs on FOSS ? [12:28] pygi, is it snowing at your place ? you missed to remove the snow caps from the font :P [12:28] else it looks cool i think [12:28] snow caps? :) [12:29] yes, on the letters :) [12:29] what's wrong with snow? :) [12:29] looks a bit winterish ... [12:29] fire vs. snow =P [12:31] ogra, will see what I can do about it :) [12:37] RichEd: better use livejournal.com [12:37] if you want FOSS [12:38] okay ... is blogger .com running on M$ ? or uniX [12:40] RichEd, nmap it [12:40] Yagisan, thats an odd advice for someone who just converted :) [12:41] ogra, :P [12:41] and nmap wont show you what blogging software is used, only the server ... [12:41] ogra, I thought the question was what OS is it running ? [12:42] Yagisan, still ... nmap is nothing i'd advise at all to a recent ex windows user ... [12:42] :) [12:42] ok - I [12:42] bub helps me type [12:43] btw, th shipped gnome network tool will do portscans etc ... in a way more userfriendly way [12:43] ogra, does it set off alarm bels as it does it ? [12:45] no idea ... [12:45] ogra, if it uses connect, then yes it does [12:46] I should test it out against an ids [12:46] when I get time [12:46] i have no idea what it uses in the backend ... but its shipped by default and doesnt require a ton of commandline knowledge [12:46] RichEd: how was the meeting? [12:46] or have you not had it yet? [12:47] I keep forgetting people are in a difefernt time zone here [12:47] Yagisan: you ever played with snort_inline? [12:47] nope [12:47] 0_o [12:47] lack of time :( [12:47] hehe [12:47] I wrote an article for compiling it a while back [12:48] on linux gazette [12:48] very cool stuff [12:48] except back then it had no stream reassembly [12:48] so things like telnet were not blocked if you know what I mean === RichEd puts on an orhpan annie wig & dress and sings to cbx33 "tomorrow, tomorrow, i'll see them tomorrow, it's only a day awayyyyyy ..." [12:50] sorry RichEd [12:50] forgive my stoooopidity === RichEd genuflects and sprinkles holy water ... arise son ... your sins are forgiven and washed away [12:52] RichEd: I can't say for certain, but www.blogger.com is running either Level One embedded, or Linux 2.4.X|2.6.X on a router === Yagisan whistles innocently === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [12:57] thanks Yagisan ... www.blogger.com says "powered by google" and google is a working partner of ours (canonical) so i am guessing it is non-offensive to the community === RichEd will avoids riched.blog.msn.com [12:58] RichEd, I thing I only hit the load balancer [12:58] s/thing/think [12:58] bimberi : hi [12:58] I don't have the time to probe deeper today [12:59] Yagisan: sounds like doctor speak ... === RichEd backs up against the wall [12:59] RichEd: you're supposed to run round :p [12:59] hi RichEd [12:59] run/turn [12:59] RichEd, this might be odd, but, are you related to JaneW ? your last name looks familair [12:59] distantly ;p [01:00] bimberi: thanks for the confernece contact ... any comment you want to add ? [01:00] (and please don't hurt my boys too much this weekend) [01:00] lol [01:00] Yagisan: yes, distinctly odd ... I took over from her in a tangential but expanded role === RichEd cannot even support the cricket ... rapidly running out of sporting supporting options [01:01] yesh, I've been around less then I usually am for a while [01:02] RichEd: not even rugby? [01:02] I'm getting senile in my old age [01:02] oh dear, ajmitch is here - there goes my bragging rights ;( [01:02] ajmitch: bimberi's boys smacked my boys around a bit [01:02] hehe === ogra curses [01:02] actually, quite a lot : 49-0 [01:02] ouch [01:02] bimberi: remind me how the australia-NZ game went, would you? ;) [01:03] ajmitch: oh c'mon, i was so nice to RichEd [01:03] Yagisan: send me an intro email & a hi to JaneW richard.edubuntu@gmail.com [01:03] at least that was a game ... our was more like that doctor exam comment i made earlier [01:03] bimberi: alright, I'll be nice :) [01:04] -> going to pack a bag for my trip ... in and out for a bit [01:04] RichEd, np. [01:04] (that last comment has no relation to the doctor comment above) [01:05] RichEd: (conference) not really. Just to say that Donna (KatteKrab on Freenode) is, from what I've observed, a real Linux Australia stalwart [01:06] RichEd: she has achieved sponsorship from LA to attend the conference so it is considered a very good opportunity to spread the word [01:06] bimberi: her mail was pretty professional & polite & to the point etc. usually a good sign of dedication & being well thought out [01:07] so i will look after her ... and keep a channel open [01:07] tx [01:07] yes it was. If it was me would have forgotten to mention me (if you know what i mean) [01:08] np :) [01:08] good morning [01:10] hi rodarvus [01:11] hello rodarvus ... [01:11] busy wrapping & packing ... did you have a chance to check out the email ? [01:11] hi bimberi and RichEd! [01:11] RichEd, I received it - will read your email *now* [01:22] morning rodarvus [01:25] hey ajmitch! === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [01:52] RichEd, ogra: my reply is on your inbox :) [01:57] rodarvus, "McQuillian" ;) [01:58] oo [01:58] oops [01:58] haha [01:58] :) === rodarvus apologizes to Jim :) [01:59] I watched "Cars" yesterday [02:00] the car in the main role is called "Thunder McQueen" [02:00] [02:00] :D [02:01] hehe === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu [02:09] thanks rodarvus [02:10] JaneW likes pickup ... /me is a bit concerned about that ;) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-198-213.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [03:13] ogra: ok thanks, i didn't realise that it was the same [03:13] RichEd: i do have now :) === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-200-113.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:43] Howdy [03:45] hey [03:49] Hi Amaranth [03:50] i've got the funnest bug === Amaranth stabs dbus [03:50] Heh [03:51] if i run my program as root it work, if i run it as willowng user it works, if i run as root and drop privs to willowng user it doesn't work [03:52] Ugh [03:55] indeed [03:58] highvoltage: just was checking if you got the "suspect certificate" mail and if it was your dept ? or now with Matt Nuzum [04:10] ogra: did you see my fun with dbus? :/ [04:11] Amaranth, yes, did you check hal ? === cbx33 starts on creating some more sounds [04:12] ogra: it's interface ownership stuff is the same as mine [04:12] i copied avahi's but it's the same thing [04:12] pitti can probably help out here [04:13] btw, it seems /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ isn't checked for these files, only /etc/dbus-1/system.d/ [04:13] but pkg-config says to put them in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ [04:14] the service file is the replacement for the initscript if you start willowng from dbus ... [04:14] oh :P [04:14] system.d has the xml for the messages etc [04:15] /msg RichEd which mail was that? [04:16] Amaranth, you can start willowng from dbus and use an ACL entry (look at /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf how to enable root access) [04:16] start it from dbus? [04:17] like network manage or hal [04:17] *manager [04:18] http://rafb.net/paste/results/7rs4ts10.html [04:19] /etc/dbus-1/event.d/ [04:19] ah [04:19] looks fine [04:19] so that's why those things restart when dbus does [04:19] yep [04:20] common-install-impl:: is where to put that? [04:20] no idea, i'm no cdbs guy :) [04:20] that's where it's at in hal's rules [04:20] but souds about right [04:20] *sounds [04:21] ok, this is doable [04:24] i guess i don't need my update-rc.d call anymore [04:24] yep :) [04:31] cheers all ... may not be online much for 2 days === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-141-04.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #edubuntu ["~>] [04:34] juliux, http://ubuntu.blog.de/ do you have any idea what he means with ust ? thats no ubuntu development ... [04:35] ogra, mom [04:36] ogra, he writes about ubuntu not only ubuntu development [04:36] ogra, in german it is er ist ein wichtigtuer [04:37] UST was on the fridge the other day [04:37] then pulled [04:38] it's some guy on the forums remaking YaST as a command-line only thing and doing it all by hand instead of using ncurses and such === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [04:41] ogra: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/linux_terminal_server [04:41] well, that was different [04:41] note to self: don't restart dbus [04:42] ogra: dbus is now the one starting willowng, it still won't own the interface [04:42] Amaranth, yes, you will need a reboot notification [04:42] i restarted dbus [04:42] willowng is running [04:42] i'm not sure that suffices [04:42] ok, brb [04:44] jsgotangco: the cost per client diagramm is wrong [04:44] you could comment on it [04:44] i haven't read it in-depth [04:45] the magazine has become a pseudo ubuntu magazine this issue lol [04:47] lucasvo, why ? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [04:47] Introspect error: The name com.ubuntu.WillowNG was not provided by any .service files [04:47] ogra: if you have 100 clients you can't just put 100x256mb ram disks into the server [04:48] sure you can ... [04:48] ogra: and the first client is more expansive, because you also have to buy a server [04:48] ogra: how so? [04:48] its "costs *per client*" [04:48] that must be a big mobo [04:48] that's 25GB :P [04:48] totally not including the server [04:49] stupid g-p-m [04:49] whats wrong ? [04:49] keeps telling me my battery if fully charged every time it goes up 1% [04:49] between 90 and 100% ? [04:49] because acpi -V says "charging at zero rate - will never fully charge" [04:49] yeah [04:49] or all the time ? [04:50] 90 and 100%, i guess [04:50] i'm just discussing that bug with upstream.... :) [04:50] this is the first time it's done it [04:50] (i maintain g-p-m) === ogra wonders if he should state that publically) [04:50] #dbus was no help, i guess i should talk to pitti [04:51] he knows it in and out from the hal perspective ... [04:51] ffs g-p-m, go away [04:51] i'll just run on battery for now :P === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-204-249.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [05:34] for ltsp I just accept all the deffaults at install time right? [06:15] Petaris, that is usually the quickest/easiest way to get started [06:20] Yagisan: ok, I thought so but then thought I better make sure [06:21] np Petaris === dan_young [n=dyoung@fw13x.mesd.k12.or.us] has joined #edubuntu [06:22] Yagisan: Do you know if there will be a painless way to move to edgy when it comes out? [06:22] *besides a fresh install ;) [06:23] Petaris, should be a simple dist-upgrade at that time. I've not checked if there is a grahical way to do it, but it can be done from the command line [06:24] Yagisan: good, I have my tape backup software running on this box and I would rather not have to set it up again [06:25] Petaris, just change all "dapper" to "edgy" in /etc/apt/sources.list then run "sudo aptitude update" then "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" and sit back with a good coffee/tea [06:25] 99.99% of the time, it works perfectly [06:27] oh great, with my luck I'm the .01% [06:27] haha [06:28] Yagisan, the update-manager is the preferred update method [06:29] we dont care much for aptitude in ubuntu [06:29] ogra, as I said, I wasn't sure of there was a graphical method. [06:29] you don't care for aptitude. /me cries [06:29] its more than "a graphical method" [06:30] update-manager has various checks and cares for additional ubuntu specific stuff [06:30]