[12:47] <Burgwork> hey HedgeMage 
[12:48] <HedgeMage> heya
[12:48] <HedgeMage> how's life?
[01:14] <cbx33> ping RichEd-1 
[01:15] <Burgwork> any lvm experts around?
[01:19] <cbx33> I woudn't call myself and expert but
[01:22] <mhz> lvm or User Mode Linux?
[01:22] <cbx33> mhz, lvm I would presume
[01:30] <cbx33> mdz, Xen is better performing
[01:30] <mdz> mhz: they solve quite different problems
[01:30] <cbx33> true
[01:30] <cbx33> sorry mhz didnt quite tab enough
[01:31] <mhz> mdz: thx for clarifying... Have you used UML ?
[01:32] <cbx33> no
[01:32] <mdz> mhz: yes, I used it extensively a couple of years ago
[01:33] <cbx33> it does depend on the application
[01:33] <mhz> all i know about it, is that Univ. of Illinois use it for students while they learn Unix SysAdmin. So they log in, they get whole server to practice.
[01:33] <cbx33> mhz, we did that for 4 students
[01:33] <cbx33> gave them a Xen machine each
[01:34] <mhz> and is performance good enough? is it a reliable solution?
[01:35] <cbx33> yeh it worked fine
[01:35] <cbx33> it was oen a crappy 400mhz machine
[01:35] <cbx33> with only just enough ram
[01:35] <cbx33> each VM had 32Mb RAM
[01:36] <cbx33> it was for teaching CLI
[01:36] <cbx33> they were all logging into each others macines over ssh
[01:36] <cbx33> had a great time
[01:36] <cbx33> we did some apt-get updating
[01:37] <mhz> nice
[01:37] <cbx33> they loved it
[01:37] <cbx33> they're only 14
[01:37] <cbx33> I run the "YouthLUG" at the school
[01:37] <cbx33> mdz, btw, I mailed the list, have had great responce so far :D
[01:38] <cbx33> mhz, yeh Xen was pretty easy to isntall
[01:38] <mdz> cbx33: good
[01:38] <cbx33> mhz, I downloaded the sources from the net
[01:39] <cbx33> it has a nice easy setup script
[01:39] <cbx33> IIRC
[01:39] <cbx33> I did it on debian
[01:39] <cbx33> never tried on ubuntu
[07:28] <Cornellius> Gonna try using ONLY linn this hd.
[07:29] <Cornellius> errr
[07:29] <Cornellius> linn = Linux
[07:31] <jsgotangco> hey Cornellius that's a good step :)
[07:33] <Cornellius> That may sound dumb but, how do you mount the floppy in the terminal ?
[07:33] <Cornellius> mount /dev/something ?
[07:33] <Cornellius> Well, as root
[07:33] <cbx33> mount /dev/fd0
[07:42] <Cornellius> Any other good WMs except KDE, Gnome, E and Xfce ?
[07:43] <bimberi_> fluxbox, openbox
[07:44] <bimberi_> good? you be the judge ;)
[08:37] <RichEd> hi ogra ... all trucked out ?
[08:45] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[08:46] <RichEd> 'ello dere jsgotangco
[08:57] <HedgeMage> Hi, all
[09:01] <highvoltage> ogra: just popping in... would this be of any use? http://people.w3.org/~dom/archives/2005/09/setting-up-a-secure-remote-x-session-with-gdm/
[09:02] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: all those emails bounced. Can you send me an email? corey.burger@gmail.com
[09:03] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: ok
[09:03] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: cheers!
[09:07] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: are you still pursuing the xfce-edubuntu thingie?
[09:08] <ogra> highvoltage, thats the zenity stuff we looked at in paris, remember ? you need local users on the clients for that
[09:08] <ogra> RichEd, yup, all done :)
[09:09] <RichEd> good stuff ... and are your comms all working nicely ?
[09:21] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: one of these days I will get your email right ;)
[09:39] <RichEd> highvoltage: hi there ... you gotta sec ?
[09:59] <jsgotangco> http://www.ubuntu-ph.org/?q=node/29
[10:03] <Burgundavia> night'
[10:21] <cbx33> ping RichEd 
[10:21] <cbx33> what time is your meeting?
[10:21] <RichEd> cbx33: 10:30
[10:22] <cbx33> hope it goes well
[10:22] <jsgotangco> RichEd: are you in dreary london?
[10:22] <RichEd> tomorrow jsgotangco : but at the moment, cape town is dreary & london is sunny from what i hear
[10:23] <jsgotangco> oh right summer blues
[10:23] <cbx33> well I wouldn't call it sunny here :p
[10:23] <cbx33> RichEd: is the meeting today?
[10:24] <RichEd> cbx33: 1hr6 mins is not enough to get from cape town to london ;)
[10:24] <cbx33> heheh
[10:24] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:25] <cbx33> i just htought it funny you were having the meeting today, and goign to london tomorrow
[10:25] <jsgotangco> unless you blast off from space
[10:25] <jsgotangco> then land near battersea
[10:26] <jsgotangco> hmm its neat that battesea power station would become a commercial complex
[10:27] <ogra> RichEd, the k&k is a very nice hotel btw, i really enjoy sitting in the garden in te morning there with my first coffee :)
[10:28] <RichEd> great ... i'll probably be stressing to get to office & wrap up all the threads of the last 3 weeks into some sense to presnet to my new boss ;)
[10:29] <RichEd> going to check your emil now ...
[10:29] <RichEd> emil <- email
[10:31] <RichEd> thanks ogra : some good constructive points
[10:32] <ogra> i hope so :)
[10:32] <ogra> even though most of it is redundant :)
[10:32] <RichEd> ogra: 1 last question around this ... (i don't think we need to meet today) would a regular weekly 30 mins IRC chat help for ogra, rodavarus & riched ?
[10:33] <RichEd> just a brain dump touch sides sort of a thing
[10:33] <ogra> kind of a edubuntu management meeting ? 
[10:33] <ogra> sounds good to me 
[10:33] <RichEd> yes ... just to drop stuff onto me that is gloating in the heads but not getting around to emailing etc.
[10:33] <ogra> yup
[10:33] <RichEd> floating not gloating :)
[10:34] <RichEd> redundant = reinforcement = 2 x repeat = needs focus !
[10:35] <RichEd> tx. will let mark know we meet management / core team & silbs & sabdfl & mdz can have a standing optional invite
[10:39] <cbx33> progress on the ubuntu sounds front :D
[10:40] <cbx33> RichEd: sorry about that strange mail from bolivia
[10:41] <cbx33> not sure why it got sent to me
[10:42] <RichEd> cbx33: we need support on the ground ... it looks as if the mail contact may be of some help ... thanks for giving some filter thought, but it may just be a case of awkward english
[10:43] <ogra> RichEd, are you listed anywhere as educational contact yet ? website/wiki etc ?
[10:45] <RichEd> https://wiki.canonical.com/RichardWeideman <- just here atm ... need to move copy to wiki.edubuntu.com & also announce on fridge
[10:45] <RichEd> brb
[10:47] <spacey> RichEd: hi there
[10:47] <spacey> RichEd: what kind of stuff can you do for educational institutes?
[10:48] <RichEd> hi spacey ... i'm a programme manager ... not a supermarket :)
[10:48] <RichEd> what sort of thing is happening and wherr would you like help ?
[10:49] <RichEd> i'll need some specific direction - and then will be willing to help if it is constructive for both parties :)
[10:50] <RichEd> can you mail me some background ... urls ... email ... & suggestions ?
[10:50] <RichEd> richard.edubuntu@gmail.com
[10:52] <cbx33> dang RichEd I was gonna ask for my weekly groceries from you
[10:53] <cbx33> wrapped up in an edubuntu bag
[10:53] <spacey> RichEd: well we just have some schools as customer who use edubuntu, and sometimes we get some other interested parties, i wonder what you i can tell them about you :P
[10:54] <RichEd> spacey: i'm very willing to help ... but with limited info, all i can suggest is to provide CDs which i know is trivial ...
[10:54] <RichEd> so if you could tell me things like what country, what city, any problems, any successes ?
[10:55] <RichEd> what sort of people are asking = end users, school administrators ?
[10:55] <RichEd> is there a local edu policy on FOSS vs MS ?
[10:55] <RichEd> is government interested in FOSS ?
[10:55] <ogra> RichEd, it should also be promoted on www.edubuntu.org (the website)
[10:55] <ogra> (your role i mean)
[10:56] <RichEd> that sort of thing ... even if you just dump your thoughts into a mail conversation ... it will be a start of a dialogue
[10:56] <RichEd> ogra: noted ... added to my list ... will try for Friday to do that & then hit the fridge with a decent announcement once mark has given me clarity :)
[10:57] <ogra> yup :)
[11:01] <spacey> RichEd: well actually i'm in contact with some people who are lobying at the local government, you think you could mean something for them?
[11:02] <spacey> at least there are no local policies, except that MS gives everything for free :P
[11:02] <cbx33> pygi: I'd love to, but I'm swamped !
[11:02] <RichEd> spacey : yes ... i have been tasked with putting together a govt. summary intro for Edubuntu ... this is broader than just s/w and will also include FOSS benefits etc.
[11:02] <pygi> cbx33, ;)
[11:03] <ogra> pygi, did you take over upstream ?
[11:03] <pygi> ogra, indeed I have, finally !!!
[11:03] <ogra> cool
[11:03] <RichEd> so we can work on that to start ... i am just tied up now as i fly to london in 7 hours ... can you mail me ?
[11:03] <pygi> ogra, there are several big enchantments coming ;)
[11:03] <cbx33> pygi: :D
[11:03] <ogra> well, basic functionallity would be a good start :P
[11:04] <cbx33> hahah
[11:04] <pygi> most notable of them for now is complete libisofs rewrite :P
[11:04] <pygi> ogra, tickets please :)
[11:04] <pygi> http://libburn.pykix.org/newticket :)
[11:04] <spacey> RichEd: ok, something like that would be useful. I guess it will be announced when available, or should we keep in contact for that?
[11:05] <pygi> ogra, would be great if you could file tickets for any basic functionality you have in mind =P
[11:05] <RichEd> start a mail thread ... i'll bounce stuff backwards & forwards with you ... if i can add your req. to my scope of doc, i will end up with a better doc.
[11:06] <spacey> RichEd: later this week i'll mail you the current situation, 
[11:06] <RichEd> tx.
[11:07] <pygi> ofcourse not =P
[11:39] <ogra> juliux, !
[11:39] <juliux> hi ogra 
[11:40] <juliux> ogra, how are you?
[11:40] <ogra> juliux, when did you arrange my talk at come2linux ? for sat or for sunday ? (9th or 10th ?)
[11:41] <juliux> ogra, i didnt arrange any thing, 
[11:41] <ogra> juliux, i'm fine, move is done ... i just have to unpack all that crap here now :)
[11:41] <ogra> oh, ok ... i thought you were doing that 
[11:41] <juliux> ogra, i can ask sven-tek if there is a slot free, but i think there is more then enought solts free
[11:42] <ogra> yep, i just needed to know if you arranged anything already, because i'll likely go to michigan shortly afterwards for a ltsp hackfest and need to arrange my dates 
[11:42] <juliux> cool
[11:43] <ogra> well, so so ... its past feature freeze ... 
[11:43] <juliux> hehe
[11:43] <ogra> i'd have preferred to work with jammcq and sbalneav a bit earlier ... but i think we'll concentrate on the code merge
[11:44] <juliux> hm i think i have to test the knot this week
[11:44] <juliux> but the dsl connection is here by my partents very very slow
[11:45] <juliux> ogra, vortraege@come2linux.org this is the address for the talks
[11:46] <ogra> 9th and 10th as advertised on the wiki is right ?
[11:47] <juliux> jap
[11:47] <ogra> oki :)
[11:47] <ogra> thats most important :)
[11:48] <ogra> michigan is due for 13th ...
[11:48] <juliux> hehe 
[11:48] <juliux> enough time between it
[11:48] <ogra> yeah
[11:58] <juliux> ogra, but i think i will not be in essen
[12:07] <ogra> RichEd, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rich_ed_hackergochi.png <-- reworked to be a real hackergochi :)
[12:09] <RichEd> will chekkitout ... brb
[12:11] <RichEd> looks like a disembodied ghost head :) but it is probably just me that looks scary 
[12:12] <ogra> well, thats how hackergochis look, see http://planet.ubuntu.com
[12:12] <ogra> give me another pic and i can make you one 
[12:12] <lucasvo> ogra: more helpfull would be, writing a howto. :)
[12:13] <RichEd> thanks ... not complaining at all ... original comment was from jane ! will sort it out later ... trying to make sure i can get onto my flight with a change of clothes
[12:13] <ogra> lucasvo, there are plenty of howtos for that
[12:15] <lucasvo> ogra: where?
[12:15] <ogra> lucasvo, google ?
[12:17] <RichEd> :)
[12:17] <lucasvo> naah, everybody should have a hackergochi
[12:17] <ogra> you need to become a member asap ... :)
[12:18] <ogra> and get a blog if you dont have one yet, to get it on planet ;)
[12:18] <RichEd> sure ... blog is on my list ( long list :) do you have a recommended host ?
[12:19] <ogra> not really ... i use my own server (but my last blog entry dates back 2 years ago iirc :) )
[12:19] <RichEd> i am to do a "i'm a convert and willing to admit my sordid past and put that behind me" approach
[12:19] <RichEd> with a "you too can linux and not be afraid"
[12:20] <RichEd> i think that will fit / resonate with a lot of my / our target audience
[12:26] <pygi> http://static.flickr.com/63/203738260_54e8624ff8_o.png
[12:26] <RichEd> www.blogger.com : Google <- is this home politically correct ? i assume it runs on FOSS ?
[12:28] <ogra> pygi, is it snowing at your place ? you missed to remove the snow caps from the font :P
[12:28] <ogra> else it looks cool i think
[12:28] <pygi> snow caps? :)
[12:29] <ogra> yes, on the letters :)
[12:29] <pygi> what's wrong with snow? :)
[12:29] <ogra> looks a bit winterish ...
[12:29] <pygi> fire vs. snow =P
[12:31] <pygi> ogra, will see what I can do about it :)
[12:37] <jsgotangco> RichEd: better use livejournal.com
[12:37] <jsgotangco> if you want FOSS
[12:38] <RichEd> okay ... is blogger .com running on M$ ? or uniX
[12:40] <Yagisan> RichEd, nmap it
[12:40] <ogra> Yagisan, thats an odd advice for someone who just converted :)
[12:41] <pygi> ogra, :P
[12:41] <ogra> and nmap wont show you what blogging software is used, only the server ...
[12:41] <Yagisan> ogra, I thought the question was what OS is it running ?
[12:42] <ogra> Yagisan, still ... nmap is nothing i'd advise at all to a recent ex windows user ...
[12:42] <ogra> :)
[12:42] <Yagisan> ok - I
[12:42] <Yagisan> bub helps me type
[12:43] <ogra> btw, th shipped gnome network tool will do portscans etc ... in a way more userfriendly way
[12:43] <Yagisan> ogra, does it set off alarm bels as it does it ?
[12:45] <ogra> no idea ...
[12:45] <Yagisan> ogra, if it uses connect, then yes it does
[12:46] <Yagisan> I should test it out against an ids
[12:46] <Yagisan> when I get time
[12:46] <ogra> i have no idea what it uses in the backend ... but its shipped by default and doesnt require a ton of commandline knowledge
[12:46] <cbx33> RichEd: how was the meeting?
[12:46] <cbx33> or have you not had it yet?
[12:47] <cbx33> I keep forgetting people are in a difefernt time zone here
[12:47] <cbx33> Yagisan: you ever played with snort_inline?
[12:47] <Yagisan> nope
[12:47] <cbx33> 0_o
[12:47] <Yagisan> lack of time :(
[12:47] <cbx33> hehe
[12:47] <cbx33> I wrote an article for compiling it a while back
[12:48] <cbx33> on linux gazette
[12:48] <cbx33> very cool stuff
[12:48] <cbx33> except back then it had no stream reassembly 
[12:48] <cbx33> so things like telnet were not blocked if you know what I mean
[12:50] <cbx33> sorry RichEd 
[12:50] <cbx33> forgive my stoooopidity
[12:52] <Yagisan> RichEd: I can't say for certain, but www.blogger.com is running either Level One embedded, or Linux 2.4.X|2.6.X on a router
[12:57] <RichEd> thanks Yagisan  ... www.blogger.com says "powered by google" and google is a working partner of ours (canonical) so i am guessing it is non-offensive to the community
[12:58] <Yagisan> RichEd, I thing I only hit the load balancer
[12:58] <Yagisan> s/thing/think
[12:58] <RichEd> bimberi : hi
[12:58] <Yagisan> I don't have the time to probe deeper today
[12:59] <RichEd> Yagisan: sounds like doctor speak ...
[12:59] <cbx33> RichEd: you're supposed to run round :p
[12:59] <bimberi> hi RichEd
[12:59] <cbx33> run/turn
[12:59] <Yagisan> RichEd, this might be odd, but, are you related to JaneW ? your last name looks familair 
[12:59] <bimberi> distantly ;p
[01:00] <RichEd> bimberi:  thanks for the confernece contact ... any comment you want to add ?
[01:00] <RichEd> (and please don't hurt my boys too much this weekend)
[01:00] <bimberi> lol
[01:00] <RichEd> Yagisan: yes, distinctly odd ... I took over from her in a tangential but expanded role
[01:01] <Yagisan> yesh, I've been around less then I usually am for a while
[01:02] <ajmitch> RichEd: not even rugby?
[01:02] <Yagisan> I'm getting senile in my old age
[01:02] <bimberi> oh dear, ajmitch is here - there goes my bragging rights ;(
[01:02] <RichEd> ajmitch: bimberi's boys smacked my boys around a bit
[01:02] <ajmitch> hehe
[01:02] <RichEd> actually, quite a lot : 49-0
[01:02] <ajmitch> ouch
[01:02] <ajmitch> bimberi: remind me how the australia-NZ game went, would you? ;)
[01:03] <bimberi> ajmitch: oh c'mon, i was so nice to RichEd
[01:03] <RichEd> Yagisan: send me an intro email & a hi to JaneW richard.edubuntu@gmail.com
[01:03] <RichEd> at least that was a game ... our was more like that doctor exam comment i made earlier
[01:03] <ajmitch> bimberi: alright, I'll be nice :)
[01:04] <RichEd> -> going to pack a bag for my trip ... in and out for a bit
[01:04] <Yagisan> RichEd, np. 
[01:04] <RichEd> (that last comment has no relation to the doctor comment above)
[01:05] <bimberi> RichEd: (conference) not really.  Just to say that Donna (KatteKrab on Freenode) is, from what I've observed, a real Linux Australia stalwart
[01:06] <bimberi> RichEd: she has achieved sponsorship from LA to attend the conference so it is considered a very good opportunity to spread the word
[01:06] <RichEd> bimberi: her mail was pretty professional & polite & to the point etc. usually a good sign of dedication & being well thought out
[01:07] <RichEd> so i will look after her ... and  keep a channel open
[01:07] <RichEd> tx
[01:07] <bimberi> yes it was.  If it was me would have forgotten to mention me (if you know what i mean)
[01:08] <bimberi> np :)
[01:08] <rodarvus> good morning
[01:10] <bimberi> hi rodarvus
[01:11] <RichEd> hello rodarvus ...
[01:11] <RichEd> busy wrapping & packing ... did you have a chance to check out the email ?
[01:11] <rodarvus> hi bimberi and RichEd!
[01:11] <rodarvus> RichEd, I received it - will read your email *now*
[01:22] <ajmitch> morning rodarvus 
[01:25] <rodarvus> hey ajmitch!
[01:52] <rodarvus> RichEd, ogra: my reply is on your inbox :)
[01:57] <ogra> rodarvus, "McQuillian" ;)
[01:58] <rodarvus> oo
[01:58] <rodarvus> oops
[01:58] <rodarvus> haha
[01:58] <ogra> :)
[01:59] <rodarvus> I watched "Cars" yesterday
[02:00] <rodarvus> the car in the main role is called "Thunder McQueen"
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[02:00] <rodarvus> :D
[02:01] <ogra> hehe
[02:09] <RichEd> thanks rodarvus 
[02:10] <RichEd> JaneW likes pickup ... /me is a bit concerned about that ;)
[03:13] <highvoltage> ogra: ok thanks, i didn't realise that it was the same
[03:13] <highvoltage> RichEd: i do have now :)
[03:43] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:45] <Amaranth> hey
[03:49] <bddebian> Hi Amaranth
[03:50] <Amaranth> i've got the funnest bug
[03:50] <bddebian> Heh
[03:51] <Amaranth> if i run my program as root it work, if i run it as willowng user it works, if i run as root and drop privs to willowng user it doesn't work
[03:52] <bddebian> Ugh
[03:55] <Amaranth> indeed
[03:58] <RichEd> highvoltage: just was checking if you got the "suspect certificate" mail and if it was your dept ? or now with Matt Nuzum
[04:10] <Amaranth> ogra: did you see my fun with dbus? :/
[04:11] <ogra> Amaranth, yes, did you check hal ?
[04:12] <Amaranth> ogra: it's interface ownership stuff is the same as mine
[04:12] <Amaranth> i copied avahi's but it's the same thing
[04:12] <ogra> pitti can probably help out here 
[04:13] <Amaranth> btw, it seems /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ isn't checked for these files, only /etc/dbus-1/system.d/
[04:13] <Amaranth> but pkg-config says to put them in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/
[04:14] <ogra> the service file is the replacement for the initscript if you start willowng from dbus ...
[04:14] <Amaranth> oh :P
[04:14] <ogra> system.d has the xml for the messages etc
[04:15] <highvoltage>  /msg RichEd which mail was that?
[04:16] <ogra> Amaranth, you can start willowng from dbus and use an ACL entry (look at /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf how to enable root access)
[04:16] <Amaranth> start it from dbus?
[04:17] <ogra> like network manage or hal
[04:17] <ogra> *manager
[04:18] <Amaranth> http://rafb.net/paste/results/7rs4ts10.html
[04:19] <ogra> /etc/dbus-1/event.d/
[04:19] <Amaranth> ah
[04:19] <ogra> looks fine
[04:19] <Amaranth> so that's why those things restart when dbus does
[04:19] <ogra> yep
[04:20] <Amaranth> common-install-impl:: is where to put that?
[04:20] <ogra> no idea, i'm no cdbs guy :)
[04:20] <Amaranth> that's where it's at in hal's rules
[04:20] <ogra> but souds about right 
[04:20] <ogra> *sounds
[04:21] <Amaranth> ok, this is doable
[04:24] <Amaranth> i guess i don't need my update-rc.d call anymore
[04:24] <ogra> yep :)
[04:31] <RichEd> cheers all ... may not be online much for 2 days
[04:34] <ogra> juliux, http://ubuntu.blog.de/ do you have any idea what he means with ust ? thats no ubuntu development ...
[04:35] <juliux> ogra, mom
[04:36] <juliux> ogra, he writes about ubuntu not only ubuntu development
[04:36] <juliux> ogra, in german it is er ist ein wichtigtuer
[04:37] <Amaranth> UST was on the fridge the other day
[04:37] <Amaranth> then pulled
[04:38] <Amaranth> it's some guy on the forums remaking YaST as a command-line only thing and doing it all by hand instead of using ncurses and such
[04:41] <jsgotangco> ogra: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/linux_terminal_server
[04:41] <Amaranth> well, that was different
[04:41] <Amaranth> note to self: don't restart dbus
[04:42] <Amaranth> ogra: dbus is now the one starting willowng, it still won't own the interface
[04:42] <ogra> Amaranth, yes, you will need a reboot notification 
[04:42] <Amaranth> i restarted dbus
[04:42] <Amaranth> willowng is running
[04:42] <ogra> i'm not sure that suffices
[04:42] <Amaranth> ok, brb
[04:44] <lucasvo> jsgotangco: the cost per client diagramm is wrong
[04:44] <jsgotangco> you could comment on it
[04:44] <jsgotangco> i haven't read it in-depth
[04:45] <jsgotangco> the magazine has become a pseudo ubuntu magazine this issue lol
[04:47] <ogra> lucasvo, why ?
[04:47] <Amaranth> Introspect error: The name com.ubuntu.WillowNG was not provided by any .service files
[04:47] <lucasvo> ogra: if you have 100 clients you can't just put 100x256mb ram disks into the server
[04:48] <ogra> sure you can ...
[04:48] <lucasvo> ogra: and the first client is more expansive, because you also have to buy a server
[04:48] <lucasvo> ogra: how so?
[04:48] <ogra> its "costs *per client*"
[04:48] <lucasvo> that must be a big mobo
[04:48] <Amaranth> that's 25GB :P
[04:48] <ogra> totally not including the server
[04:49] <Amaranth> stupid g-p-m
[04:49] <ogra> whats wrong ? 
[04:49] <Amaranth> keeps telling me my battery if fully charged every time it goes up 1%
[04:49] <ogra> between 90 and 100% ?
[04:49] <Amaranth> because acpi -V says "charging at zero rate - will never fully charge"
[04:49] <Amaranth> yeah
[04:49] <ogra> or all the time ? 
[04:50] <Amaranth> 90 and 100%, i guess
[04:50] <ogra> i'm just discussing that bug with upstream.... :)
[04:50] <Amaranth> this is the first time it's done it
[04:50] <ogra> (i maintain g-p-m)
[04:50] <Amaranth> #dbus was no help, i guess i should talk to pitti
[04:51] <ogra> he knows it in and out from the hal perspective ...
[04:51] <Amaranth> ffs g-p-m, go away
[04:51] <Amaranth> i'll just run on battery for now :P
[05:34] <Petaris> for ltsp I just accept all the deffaults at install time right?
[06:15] <Yagisan> Petaris, that is usually the quickest/easiest way to get started
[06:20] <Petaris> Yagisan: ok, I thought so but then thought I better make sure
[06:21] <Yagisan> np Petaris 
[06:22] <Petaris> Yagisan: Do you know if there will be a painless way to move to edgy when it comes out?
[06:22] <Petaris> *besides a fresh install ;)
[06:23] <Yagisan> Petaris, should be a simple dist-upgrade at that time. I've not checked if there is a grahical way to do it, but it can be done from the command line
[06:24] <Petaris> Yagisan: good, I have my tape backup software running on this box and I would rather not have to set it up again
[06:25] <Yagisan> Petaris, just change all "dapper" to "edgy" in /etc/apt/sources.list then run "sudo aptitude update" then "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" and sit back with a good coffee/tea
[06:25] <Yagisan> 99.99% of the time, it works perfectly
[06:27] <Petaris> oh great, with my luck I'm the .01%
[06:27] <Petaris> haha
[06:28] <ogra> Yagisan, the update-manager is the preferred update method 
[06:29] <ogra> we dont care much for aptitude in ubuntu 
[06:29] <Yagisan> ogra, as I said, I wasn't sure of there was a graphical method.
[06:29] <Yagisan> you don't care for aptitude. /me cries
[06:29] <ogra> its more than "a graphical method"
[06:30] <ogra> update-manager has various checks and cares for additional ubuntu specific stuff
[06:30] <ogra> aptitude doesnt ... neither does apt
[06:30] <Petaris> Is there a good resource/tutorial for local apps?
[06:31] <ogra> u-m also removes replaced stuff betwen two releases for example
[06:31] <Yagisan> that may be why every one of my headless servers failed an upgrade then :(
[06:31] <Petaris> I can't find a good example in the wiki
[06:31] <ogra> only the ltsp.org one afaik
[06:31] <Petaris> ogra: ok, I'll look there
[06:31] <ogra> Yagisan, well apt-get dist-upgrade should work, it would just leave unused stuff behind
[06:32] <ogra> Petaris, we dont support it yet, thats why its ot on our wiki ;)
[06:32] <Yagisan> that it does. usually end up with some obsolte libs
[06:37] <Petaris> ogra: its not supported but is LOCAL_APPS=Y a valid config option non-the-less?
[06:39] <ogra> nope
[06:39] <ogra> its not implemented yet
[06:40] <Petaris> hrm
[06:42] <jit1> I'
[06:43] <jit1> Ooops...I'm setting up an HP t5525 thin-client with edubuntu...in fact writing this through the client.  What am I missing to get the USB ports operational for mounting flash drives?
[06:44] <Petaris> jit1: Local device support
[06:44] <ogra> the implementation of local device support ... i'm starting to work on that this week ...
[06:45] <ogra> it's a targeted feature for edgy (6.10) ...
[06:46] <jit1> I'm so happy to know that I'm not missing something.  Thanks so much...looking forward to becoming part of this community.  Hopefully, we will be able to implement it at some schools here in Zeeland, Michigan.  I appreciate the work you all are doing...
[06:47] <ogra> and we appreciate every installation running out there ;)
[06:47] <Petaris> jit1: Where abouts is Zeeland?
[06:48] <ogra> michigan :)
[06:48] <Petaris> I meant where in Michigan
[06:48] <jit1> The southwest side of the lower peninsula of Michigan.  Right near Lake Michigan.
[06:51] <Petaris> 365.28 miles from me
[06:51] <Petaris> I'm in NW Wisconsin
[07:43] <cbx33> ping highvoltage 
[07:43] <highvoltage> pong cbx33 
[07:43] <cbx33> highvoltage, on the edubuntu artwork page on the wiki, you are down as the contact for new artwork submitted to art.ubuntu.com
[07:44] <cbx33> mind if aliasvegas is added there too?
[07:44] <highvoltage> cbx33: sure! I suggest you replace my name with her name
[07:44] <cbx33> ko
[07:44] <cbx33> thanks, just wanted to check
[07:44] <highvoltage> np, thanks for checking
[07:45] <cbx33> howz it going
[07:45] <cbx33> may try it out :D
[07:45] <highvoltage> i'm just two days (hopefully) away from finishing a big project
[07:45] <cbx33> after that.....$8 a Meg
[07:45] <highvoltage> looking quite forward to having tis chunk of work done
[07:45] <highvoltage> what? wow, mobile bandwidth is expensive in UK
[07:46] <cbx33> yes
[07:46] <cbx33> t-mobile are the only ones that do a decent data tarrif
[07:46] <cbx33> but it's totally the opposite
[07:46] <highvoltage> in south africa, it's about R0.50 per MB on mobiles (GPRS/EDGE/3G)
[07:46] <cbx33> $16 a month for unlimited
[07:46] <highvoltage> so that would be about 5p per meg
[07:46] <cbx33> I'm hoping my oprator will do the same soon
[07:47] <cbx33> I can pay 25p a meg
[07:47] <highvoltage> vodacom and mtn were R2 per MB
[07:47] <cbx33> or,...
[07:47] <cbx33> no 1 a meg
[07:47] <highvoltage> then virgin mobile launched here last month with R0.50 per MB
[07:47] <cbx33> but I have to buy a bundle for that
[07:47] <cbx33> wow
[07:47] <cbx33> it was .5p per K here on virgin
[07:48] <highvoltage> geepers
[07:48] <highvoltage> it's probably because so many people use mobile bandwidth here that it's so cheap
[07:48] <cbx33> yeh
[07:48] <cbx33> sux
[07:48] <highvoltage> our landlines are heavily expensive
[07:48] <cbx33> I WANT NICE FREE BANDWIDTH
[07:48] <cbx33> highvoltage, for data?
[07:48] <highvoltage> data and voice
[07:49] <cbx33> I pay 20 a month for 8Mb BB line
[07:49] <highvoltage> if it goes through a cable in south africa, it's expensive
[07:49] <cbx33> 30Gb peak
[07:49] <cbx33> 300Gb off peak
[07:49] <highvoltage> we have a telecom monopoly here, they charge about R1000 per month for a 384k line with a 3GB cap
[07:49] <highvoltage> after 3GB, they cut you off for the rest of the month
[07:50] <cbx33> woh
[07:50] <cbx33> I have it good then :p
[07:50] <highvoltage> yeah, you can't complain :)
[07:50] <highvoltage> hi hedgy
[07:51] <highvoltage> hi HedgeMage 
[07:52] <highvoltage> :)
[07:52] <cbx33> hi HedgeMage 
[07:52] <Yagisan> I had a forced upgrade to a 30GB/month (suposedly 24000k/1000k, but my hardware will never do anywhere near that) for $60AU/Month
[07:52] <HedgeMage> hi guys :)
[07:52] <highvoltage> wow
[07:52] <highvoltage> i should lie a line from australia to cape town :)
[07:53] <HedgeMage> rofl
[07:53] <Yagisan> highvoltage, I was happy paying less, and with a lower cap
[07:53] <Yagisan> I was given a choice, upgrade or go back to dialup
[07:53] <cbx33> hopefully soon it'll get better
[07:54] <cbx33> 1 per Mb is just silly
[07:55] <highvoltage> i think they figure "hey, they're willing to pay 2.50 for ringtones and mobile wallpapers, so we can surely charge them  1 per MB?"
[07:56] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: aww :(
[07:56] <highvoltage> cbx33: MTN does data roaming in UK, I could post you a sim card then you can get data for cheap ;)
[07:57] <Yagisan> HedgeMage, the major telo increase the cost of the copper cables, so mt isp terminated my contract early
[07:57] <cbx33> really?
[07:57] <cbx33> highvoltage, how cheap
[07:57] <cbx33> how would I pay?
[07:57] <Yagisan> so I need to buy new adsl hardware within 21 days
[07:57] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: :(
[07:58] <highvoltage> cbx33: it only costs R4 for a sim card, which i can send for free. you can top up online with your credit card, i think
[07:58] <cbx33> wow
[07:58] <cbx33> how cheap data rates are we talking here?.....is it pa as you go then ?
[07:59] <highvoltage> mtn is still R1 per mb
[07:59] <highvoltage> http://www.mtn.co.za/?pid=248769
[07:59] <highvoltage> their website looks a bit broken though
[08:00] <highvoltage> 350MB bundle is R220
[08:00] <highvoltage> that's what you pay about for 2MB :)
[08:00] <highvoltage> oop no, 20MB
[08:01] <highvoltage> they are still R2/MB out of bundle. i wonder what virgin will charge if you roam with a .za card there
[08:05] <Petaris> :(
[08:06] <Petaris> I installed dapper on one of my servers, and now (durring first boot) it hangs
[08:06] <Petaris> it won't even let me see what it was trying to do because of the stupid masked boot screen
[08:07] <ogra> just remove the word splash in grub 
[08:08] <ogra> i.e. press esc if the grub message shows up, then go to the line you want to edit, press e, remove splash and hit enter, then b
[08:09] <Petaris> ogra: right, just did
[08:10] <Petaris> its the fricking drive cache issue again
[08:10] <Petaris> Why is that issue still in the kernel
[08:10] <Petaris> it was fixed in 2.6.4
[08:11] <Petaris> so now I have to rip out 4 of the 8 GB of RAM to boot
[08:11] <Petaris> >:(
[08:11] <cbx33> highvoltage, I would be eternally greatful if you can find me a cheap data solutn :p
[08:12] <ogra> Petaris, tell that to #ubuntu-kernel 
[08:12] <ogra> they are the ones to fix it
[08:12] <cbx33> new sounds
[08:12] <cbx33> wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds
[08:12] <cbx33> bbi a few hours
[08:12] <Petaris> ogra: I went over this with them about 6 months ago
[08:12] <Petaris> I guess I'll have to go over it again
[08:13] <ogra> so they should be made aware of it 
[08:14] <Petaris> This wouldn't be an issue of course if it were possible to build a vanilla kernel for ubuntu
[08:14] <Petaris> I could just compile one and be done with it
[08:14] <ogra> i guess its an issue with the default install kernel (386)
[08:15] <Petaris> but I'm installing an x86_64 kernel
[08:15] <ogra> if you can boot into the system and upgrade to the 686 one it should be fine
[08:15] <Petaris> as this is an opteron server
[08:15] <ogra> then use the arch specific one instead of amd64-generic
[08:15] <Petaris> how do I do that when I can't get the system to start?
[08:16] <Petaris> boot up a live cd and chroot or something?
[08:19] <ogra> if the liveCD boots ...
[08:19] <ogra> -kernel will really know more ...
[08:27] <Petaris> I should be able to boot the gentoo install disk I have here then chroot into ubuntu
[08:27] <Petaris> *I hope
[09:50] <pygi> hey ^^
[10:14] <lucasvo> ogra: btw, can't you ask for an update of the sabayon package in dapper?
[10:49] <LaserJock> lucasvo: what's wrong with it?
[10:50] <lucasvo> LaserJock: that one has to assign a profile to every user
[10:50] <LaserJock> and it's fixed in more recent versions?
[10:51] <lucasvo> see mailing Re: Fine tuning Edubuntu from Oli
[10:51] <lucasvo> LaserJock: he said it's fixed in edgy
[10:51] <LaserJock> ah
[10:51] <LaserJock> sorry, haven't gotten that far in my email
[10:52] <lucasvo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/sabayon/+bug/38410
[10:52] <lucasvo> ah, it's not yet fixed
[10:53] <LaserJock> "will" be solved :-)
[10:56] <LaserJock> hmm, it does seem like our ability to lock down is a bit lacking
[11:08] <lucasvo> yes
[11:09] <Amaranth> ogra: FIXED!
[11:09] <Amaranth> Had to change os.seteuid() to os.setuid()
[11:10] <ogra> yay !!!!!!!!!!!!!111
[11:10] <lucasvo> Amaranth: that bug you were talking about this morning?
[11:10] <Amaranth> lucasvo: yeah
[11:10] <Amaranth> the one i've been fighting for days
[11:18] <pygi> congrats Amaranth 
[11:19] <Amaranth> It's funny, I change one character and it fixes it.
[11:22] <pygi> :)
[11:28] <Amaranth> OperationalError: attempt to write a readonly database
[11:28] <Amaranth> arg
[11:28] <Amaranth> it's a permissions thing
[11:31] <cbx33> Amaranth, is that the difference between setting the "effective" user id and the "actual" user id?
[11:31] <Amaranth> yeah
[11:32] <Amaranth> OperationalError: unable to open database file
[11:32] <Amaranth> %$##
[11:34] <lucasvo> good night guys
[11:42] <cbx33> ping ogra