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omeowRiddell, the zsnes package doesn't build. 12:16
omeowerr, it does build, I meant it crashes on startup.12:16
omeowHowever, I just fetched the latest svn checkout, and now it works again.12:16
omeowAre you against svn snapshot packages in edgy?12:16
Riddell--> #ubuntu-motu12:16
omeowWhat's that channel all about... *reads the topic*12:17
Riddellwhere packages nobody cares about go to rest12:17
omeowhehe12:18
bddebianRiddell: HEY! :-)12:18
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bddebianomeow: There is a new merge for it, I'll check it out12:19
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omeowOh, very cool. :)12:19
omeowIf it ftbfs for you, try a make clean, I had to do that too.12:20
Riddellbddebian: :)12:27
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bddebianNot that anyone cares that I care, mind you :-)12:29
Tm_T:p12:30
imbrandonmoins all12:30
bddebianHeya imbrandon12:30
imbrandonheya12:31
imbrandonbddebian:  LOL [17:30]  <Kamion> severity: breaks-mdz-hardware <-- quote of the day ;)12:32
bddebian:-)12:32
Tm_TI think it's time to burn my brains with ET, so see you later ->12:33
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imbrandon;)12:58
gnomefreak;)12:58
imbrandonok so whats up?12:58
gnomefreakok on dapper the default settings are messed up but on edgy they are not messed up but dapper loses teh vert. kubuntu-logo and the K button iirc12:59
imbrandonwith an upgrade from 353 to 354 is what your talking about >01:00
imbrandon?01:00
gnomefreakimbrandon: not sure if its upgrade or fresh i didnt ask :(01:00
imbrandonahhh yea , i noticed that the kicker is a bit messed up on my brothers install ( looses clock , kmenu etc ) on upgrade but i havent had a chance to reporduce it01:01
imbrandonfrom kde anything --> 35401:02
imbrandonon dapper only01:02
gnomefreakthe guy i was working with said he didnt have ~/.kde/default-system-settings/kde-profile01:02
imbrandonmight just be a case of reinstalling k-d-s but i dont know01:02
imbrandoni can look or poke Riddell later when he is arround though01:03
gnomefreakimbrandon: ok but that doesnt make much sense unless it has soemthing to do with qt (not klibs)01:03
imbrandoni'll load dapper in a vm and try to reporduce it regularly01:03
gnomefreakim thinking the code for dapper and for edgy is same and depends on same libs 01:04
imbrandongnomefreak: well in the case i witnessed first hand all it was is that kicker lost its settings and the wallpaper and stuff was reset to kde defaults not kubuntu01:04
imbrandongnomefreak: i think its more of a case of default settings not code01:04
RiddellI know01:04
imbrandonerr core code i should say, but the *rc files not being read ort installed or misplaced01:05
gnomefreaki would have thought edgy would reproduce it though01:05
imbrandonnot nessesarly 01:05
imbrandonahhh Riddell is awake ;) heheh01:05
imbrandonyou know about it already ? okies01:05
gnomefreakyeah he brought it up to us01:06
imbrandonso no need for me to load a vm and test ? 01:06
RiddellI have zero idea why01:06
imbrandonahh ok01:06
gnomefreakits been bugging me all day ;)01:06
imbrandonyea as i said i was vnc's into my brothers system yesterday and upgraded him to 354 ( he still runs dapper becouse he dosent know linux at all , i just converted him from windows )01:07
imbrandonand noticed it01:07
imbrandoni just reset his kicker etc and all was fine01:07
imbrandonbut i'll load a vm and see if i can pinn down exactly why later tongiht01:07
gnomefreakbbiab dinner01:08
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jjesseevening jsgotangco02:26
jsgotangcohi02:26
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Hobbseehi all06:14
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imbrandonmoins ;)06:23
Hobbseeanyone else getting more of "kopete is too old" bug?06:24
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imbrandonfor icq ? yea06:24
imbrandoni got it today06:24
imbrandonjez i got like 50 convo's going LOL06:24
Hobbseeright.  i wonder why06:25
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Hobbseekde 12792106:38
UbugtuKDE bug 127921 in general "Contact status not correct updated after reconnect to internet" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12792106:38
Hobbseeoh well06:39
Hobbseeyay for two line bug fixes.06:39
Hobbseeanyone here still on dapper, at the moment?06:48
Hobbseehmmm...amarok 1.4.2 beta1 hasnt broken anything major yet06:52
imbrandonHobbsee: i'm on breezy with a horay kernel and kde 3.5.4 loaded from svn , does that count ?06:54
imbrandon</sarcasim>06:54
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Hobbseeimbrandon: ahh...yeah...ish...06:54
Hobbsee:P06:54
Hobbseeimbrandon: i'm looking to see if the icq client too old bug is in the dapper kdenetwork packages as well06:54
Hobbseeimbrandon: seeing as i want it fixed *before* they do the point release on it06:56
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=== Hobbsee thumps imbrandon. nasty of you, to suggest going for core dev tomorrow.
imbrandonhahaha07:30
Hobbseeimbrandon: how'd you know that having to ask for uploads was driving me bananas - as there are less people to ask to start off with.07:30
imbrandonyea , but the kubuntu "team" is comming togather nice07:31
Hobbseeimbrandon: indeed.  ready for edgy+107:31
=== Hobbsee wants to get everyone trained up during this cycle, then do a spectacular edgy+1 thing.
crimsunwell, you probably could get core-dev pretty easily07:33
=== imbrandon is serouisly thinking about going for MOTU at tomarrows meeting +1
Hobbseecrimsun: would i get it if i went tomorrow?07:34
crimsunum..07:35
crimsunI don't think I could answer that unless I were a brilliant physicist.07:35
Hobbseecrimsun: but you do have an idea about it though07:35
crimsunI think you stand a good chance.07:36
Hobbseecrimsun: right07:36
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crimsunI must be having key issues; I'll see if I can catch an admin in a few hours.07:38
Hobbseeeek07:38
crimsun(RE: bug 54742)07:39
UbugtuMalone bug 54742 in kde-guidance "Broken symlinks in kde-guidance-0.6.7-3ubuntu1" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5474207:39
Hobbseeah07:39
abattoirHobbsee: hi :)07:50
abattoirHobbsee: where can i get the amarok package?07:50
Hobbseeabattoir: heya.  package or source, and are you on i386?07:51
abattoiramd6407:51
Hobbseeabattoir: dont have it for that architecture yet.07:51
Hobbseeabattoir: i've got the sources on imbrandon's machine, but he's having trouble uploading things07:51
abattoirso what's the fix for building it?07:51
Hobbseeabattoir: we'll request a UVF exception for 1.4.2 i expect - not beta 207:52
Hobbseeseems nice though07:52
abattoirHobbsee: what must i change? (in the control/rules file) ?07:52
Hobbseedont remember sorry07:52
abattoirhehe, ok then...07:52
abattoirthanks07:52
=== Hobbsee could debdiff the changes, or just upload the source, once it gets fixed
Hobbsee!info ktorrent dapper07:54
ubotuktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.2-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 738 kB, installed size 2964 kB07:54
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hendry /j bash08:29
danimomoin08:29
Hobbseehi danimo!08:30
danimoheya Hobbsee08:30
danimoHobbsee: did you upload amarok 1.4.2b1?08:31
danimo!info amarok08:31
ubotuamarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In repository main, is optional. Version 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 7630 kB, installed size 18672 kB08:31
Hobbseedanimo: nope08:31
Hobbseedanimo: needs a UVF exception08:31
Hobbseei have i386 binaries though08:31
danimoUVF?08:31
Hobbseeupstream version freeze exception08:31
Hobbseeand i think i'll ask for that with 1.4.2 final08:31
danimoHobbsee: huh? is edgy already frozen?08:34
seaLnefor main yeah08:34
danimowow08:34
Hobbseedanimo: main, yeah.08:34
=== Hobbsee just got something else uploaded. yay!
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viviersf:(08:54
viviersfkonqueror = bleh08:54
Hobbseeviviersf: what's it done now?08:54
viviersflol08:55
viviersfwell08:55
viviersfit doesnt have a location bar any more08:55
viviersfsince i updated it yesterday08:55
viviersfquite weird08:55
Hobbseeah08:59
viviersfand like09:00
viviersflol09:00
viviersfyou must see this09:00
viviersfits like at the top :/09:00
viviersfsettings , Help , edit, view , tools09:00
viviersfit alls just went insane :/09:00
Hobbseeviviersf: you on dapper, by any chance?09:02
viviersfyup09:02
viviersfdont worry 09:02
viviersfim not wanting help09:02
viviersfim just saying09:02
viviersf:P09:02
Hobbseeviviersf: yeah, fair enough.  no, i want you to check a bug for me, if you can09:03
viviersfyeh kewl09:03
Hobbseeviviersf: can you connect to icq in kopete today?09:03
Hobbseehttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/5475709:03
UbugtuMalone bug 54757 in kdenetwork "Kopete cannot connect to ICQ due to protocol changes" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  09:03
viviersfwell09:03
viviersfi can try 09:03
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viviersfhold on09:03
viviersfjust need to install it qui9ck\hmmf09:04
viviersfi cant install it09:05
viviersfcos like the mirrors are giving trouble again09:05
viviersfprolly the buildd's09:05
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HobbseeLure_!!  hey you!09:22
Hobbseeimbrandon: whatever you do, dont reboot your machine without telling me, especially not until this compile is finished.09:48
imbrandonheh ok np09:48
imbrandonbtw fix the inet problems09:48
imbrandonits was a faulty dns entry09:48
Hobbseeimbrandon: yeah, it looks faster :)09:48
Hobbseeah09:48
imbrandonbut yea i dont plan to reboot for ~24hours atleaste09:48
Hobbseeimbrandon: cool.  kdenetwork takes forever to compile.09:49
Hobbseeimbrandon: and i forgot to screen it, didnt i?  :P09:49
imbrandonheh are you still connected ?09:50
imbrandoni can check if its running09:50
imbrandonif you are off09:50
Hobbseei'm connected09:50
Lure_hi Hobbsee - back from vacation and stuck in my inbox ;-(09:50
HobbseeLure_: hehe. enjoy :P09:50
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HobbseeLure_: where'd you go on vac?09:51
imbrandonbrandon@voyager:/etc/apt$ ps ax|grep screen09:51
imbrandon 5294 pts/1    R+     0:00 grep screen09:51
imbrandonbrandon@voyager:/etc/apt$                09:51
Lure_Hobbsee: Corsica09:51
imbrandondont look like it09:51
HobbseeLure_: nice!09:51
Hobbseeimbrandon: yeah, forgot to screen09:51
seaLneps ax|grep SCREEN09:59
seaLnejust to confuse you09:59
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mornfallgrep -i is your friend10:08
Hobbseehi mornfall!10:09
mornfallhi10:09
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Hobbseehi abattoir 10:12
abattoirhi Hobbsee :)10:13
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Tm_THobbsee: hi11:31
imbrandonmoins all11:32
Tm_Tmoin moin :)11:32
pygiimbrandon, !11:36
imbrandonheya pygi11:36
imbrandonpygi: i got most of the trinity UI ripped last night11:36
pygihow's the "in one day" UI? :)11:36
imbrandoni should be able to bzr it in the next ~12 hours11:36
imbrandoni would say11:37
pygioh, most11:37
pygihopefully you can bzr all :))11:37
imbrandonyea there was one or two dialogs that was easyier just to "recreate"11:37
pygi oki, no worries ;)11:37
imbrandonyea i can bzr it all, i just ripped most ( less 2 dialogs so far )11:37
pygifinally :P11:37
imbrandonand i just remade those with designer11:38
imbrandonlooks like we will have to adjust alot of it to kde4 anyhow ( mostly kde3 as is )11:38
imbrandonbut thats no biggie11:38
pygiindeed11:38
RiddellHobbsee: anyone working on kopete ICQ fix?11:41
imbrandonaraik she was ( and had it uploaded or getting ready to upload to revu )11:42
imbrandonafaik*11:42
Riddell"kdenetwork 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6.2 was ACCEPTED"  ah hah11:43
imbrandonbrb afk 11:44
RiddellHobbsee: how about edgy?11:44
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pygiimbrandon, join, always join !12:08
HobbseeRiddell: me.  done.12:21
HobbseeRiddell: :D12:21
RiddellHobbsee: even edgy?12:21
HobbseeRiddell: yep :D12:21
HobbseeRiddell: pitti  uploaded edgy, infinity uploaded dapper :)12:21
Riddell4:3.5.4+kopete0.12.1-0ubuntu312:22
Riddellyou rock Hobbsee 12:22
HobbseeRiddell: :D12:22
imbrandonheheh ;)12:22
HobbseeRiddell: want to say that tomorrow at the meeting?12:22
Riddellwhat meeting?12:22
HobbseeRiddell: tech board.  your later today12:22
Riddellwhat are you going to do there?12:22
imbrandon+core dev12:22
HobbseeRiddell: well, you might be making the annoucement we discussed, and core dev.12:22
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RiddellI could do yes12:23
HobbseeRiddell: are you going to?12:24
RiddellHobbsee: I think so12:25
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HobbseeRiddell: yay :)12:25
=== Hobbsee just came to get her tax return stuff, but got sidetracked
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ubuntuHi12:28
Hobbseehi Ubugtu 12:28
Hobbseehi ubuntu 12:28
Hobbseedarn tab completion12:28
ubuntuHi Hobbsee :)12:29
HobbseeRiddell: if you could cheer for me w.r.t core dev at the meeting later, i'd appreciate that.  also, imbrandon is going for MOTU, i believe12:32
=== Hobbsee laughs evilly. i'm one step closer to taking over kubuntu, ubuntu, then the world!!! :P
imbrandonHobbsee: yup yup I am , and I asked him also ;)12:33
imbrandonjust finishing his sugestions to my wiki now ;)12:33
imbrandonHobbsee: poke12:50
Hobbseeimbrandon:poke back12:53
imbrandonhrm i forgot, heh give me a sec to rember12:53
Riddellimbrandon: did you reply to iwj?12:55
imbrandoni never seen anything back from him, wonder if my spam filters ate it12:55
Riddellhe posted to ubuntu-devel12:55
Riddellwhat did you send him?12:55
imbrandonohhh i rarely read that, will go look12:55
imbrandonwhat i cc'd to you12:56
imbrandonthats all12:56
imbrandonwhat date on the -devel list so i can sanely grep it lol12:56
Riddellsunday i think12:57
imbrandonkk *looks*12:58
Hobbseehmmm.  more jabber trouble.12:59
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imbrandonahh i see it now, and yea jabber is screwing up, wonder if its our kopete or jabber01:01
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imbrandonRiddell: yea i see his comments, but i dont think he understood what i was asking , did you read the email i sent him ( and cc'd you ) ?01:02
imbrandonsince ff is default in ubuntu it would be trivial to just add it to u-d-s 01:02
imbrandonwas my point , then that wouldent even get installed in the dirivitives01:02
imbrandon( as oposed to installing it as a dep of ff its self )01:03
=== imbrandon thought that was actualy the point of u-d-s and k-d-s
Riddellmy understanding is that it has to be a dep of ff from the way its implemented01:03
Hobbseeimbrandon: it's jabber.org01:04
imbrandonahhh ok so he just implemented it un-sanely instead of say how we do the amarok theme stuff01:04
imbrandonshould i just replay with something along those lines ( not confrontational but saying it would make everyones life easier just to make it part of a u-d-s implmentation )01:05
imbrandonas with amarok or other apps 01:05
imbrandonthat and w.r.t. kde 3.5.{3,4} are either going to make -updates for the point release ?01:07
Hobbseeimbrandon: no01:08
HobbseeRiddell: what are we doing about arts for kde 3.5.4?  i tried downgrading, and still got the crash.01:08
hungerRiddell: I have the same problem as Hobbsee.01:09
RiddellHobbsee: it should work now01:10
=== hunger is so happy to get rid of arts in kde4.
Riddellit needs the latest libarts1-akode from kdemultimedia01:10
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Hobbseeright...yep?01:10
Hobbseethought i got that01:10
HobbseeRiddell: right, can you tell me which version is "latest" then please?01:11
Hobbseeon cue, i get a kcrash dialog about artsd :P01:12
imbrandonheh yea my brother updated too and said the crash went away but i dident ask him any more than that01:13
Riddelldapper0.101:13
Hobbseeyay, my kopete hit the archive :)01:13
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HobbseeRiddell: you updating the edgy ones at all?01:13
=== Hobbsee doesnt have the dapper ones installed.
Riddellah, that's a good point01:13
HobbseeRiddell: hehe!01:14
=== Hobbsee hugs Riddell. you must be losing your sanity. we're working on the development release, okay? :P
=== Hobbsee notes that filing everything under miscellaneous is not a good idea during tax time.
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imbrandonHobbsee: lol01:34
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HobbseeFOUND THEM!!!01:35
Hobbseeyay :)01:35
jeroenvrpok, I'm going to test kde 3.5.4 - I heard there are some issues with it: anyone know which?01:35
Hobbseejeroenvrp: on edgy or dapper?01:35
jeroenvrpHobbsee: on dapper01:35
Hobbseearts is buggered on edgy, seeing as someone forgot to fix it :P01:35
Hobbseejeroenvrp: you should be okay01:35
jeroenvrpok01:35
jeroenvrpthanks Hobbsee 01:35
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=== Hobbsee has never actually used the dapper ones.
jeroenvrpbtw I only see dapper01:36
imbrandonjeroenvrp: its in edgy by default atm01:36
jeroenvrpimbrandon: off course :-)01:36
imbrandonso if you have edgy ( not recomended for non developers ) you have 3.5.4 ;)01:37
jeroenvrpI stay on dapper for a while01:37
imbrandongood call ;)01:37
danimoHobbsee: oh, don't remind me on tax stuff01:44
Ignite_hrm, i have the KDE kubuntu repo in my sources.list, is there another repo with 3.5.4 or do i need to build from source?01:44
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Ignite_oh dear01:45
Ignite_ah01:47
Ignite_i was under the impression 3.5.4 had been released01:47
Ignite_nvm01:47
HobbseeIgnite_: well...it sort of has01:56
Ignite_ah01:56
Tm_Twell, 3.5.4 has issues in dapper01:57
HobbseeIgnite_: it's not officially released yet, but there's packages for it01:57
Ignite_:(01:57
HobbseeTm_T: which ones, and are they on the wiki somewhere?01:57
Ignite_i will wait until its released :)01:57
Tm_THobbsee: no idea if there's list somewhere, but: somehow many KDE-related settings are ignored/fallen back to defaults01:57
Tm_THobbsee: and that list is not a short one ;(01:58
HobbseeTm_T: ah yeah, i heard someone mention that01:58
HobbseeTm_T: heh, yeah01:58
Tm_THobbsee: prolly me, I've been barking about it here ;)01:58
Tm_Talso01:58
Tm_T00:39 < Riddell>  /etc/kderc is being ignored01:59
Tm_T00:39 < Riddell> I've no idea why01:59
Tm_T:p01:59
Hobbseeyep01:59
Tm_Thmm, I forgot how I set konqueror to always show tabbar 02:02
imbrandon!heartbeat02:03
ubotuI know nothing about heartbeat - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu02:03
imbrandon!info heartbeat02:03
ubotuheartbeat: Subsystem for High-Availability Linux. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.2.4-2ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 475 kB, installed size 1600 kB02:03
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imbrandonhehe02:09
RiddellHobbsee: don't02:09
Riddellseriously, they're dangerous02:09
HobbseeRiddell: why so?02:09
RiddellHobbsee: they messed with my head, I had a stage of collapsing into bed at 7 in the evening on random days and the common factor was instant noodles02:10
HobbseeRiddell: eek!02:11
imbrandon!find pbuttons02:11
ubotuNo packages matching 'pbuttons' could be found02:11
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imbrandon!find pbbuttons02:11
ubotuNo packages matching 'pbbuttons' could be found02:11
imbrandongrr02:11
imbrandon!find buttons02:11
ubotuNo packages matching 'buttons' could be found02:11
imbrandonwhat package is the pbbuttons in ? anyone know02:12
Hobbseeimbrandon: the one that always fails on boot?  no idea02:15
Hobbsee!info pbuttonsd edgy02:15
ubotuPackage pbuttonsd does not exist in edgy02:15
Hobbsee!info pbbuttonsd edgy02:15
ubotupbbuttonsd: PBButtons daemon to handle special hotkeys of Apple computers. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.7.5-2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 125 kB, installed size 500 kB (Only available for i386 powerpc)02:15
Hobbseeimbrandon: that one?  ^02:15
imbrandonheh probably fails on boot becouse its power book buttons 02:15
imbrandonyea02:15
Hobbseeiv'e got that package installed too - and i'm certainly not running a powerbook02:15
imbrandonheh well someone files a bug agains xserver and it should be files on that02:16
imbrandonhttp://launchpad.net/bugs/5478202:16
UbugtuMalone bug 54782 in heartbeat "fails to install " [Untriaged,Confirmed]  02:16
imbrandonerr 02:16
imbrandonnot that one02:16
imbrandonhttp://launchpad.net/bugs/5478102:16
UbugtuMalone bug 54781 in xorg-server "Terrible keyboard performance on PPC" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  02:16
imbrandon54781 should be against pbbuttonsd not xorg02:17
Hobbseeimbrandon: change it then?02:17
imbrandonand i have no idea why you have it installed if you dont have an apple ;)02:17
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Hobbseeimbrandon: looks to be an alternative to laptop-mode-tools.  dunno02:18
=== Hobbsee changes it
imbrandoni also asked for more info02:20
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imbrandonok i'm off to take a nap before TB , see yall in a few hours02:27
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imbrandonhehe i triaged my few for the day 02:28
imbrandonheh , gnight02:28
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Hobbseeyay for bug triage on kdebase.02:32
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Tm_THobbsee: three hoorays for you :)02:36
HobbseeTm_T: :)02:36
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HobbseeRiddell: did you want to check https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/44920 - doubt it's got anything to do with the dapper kde 3.5.4 problems...02:50
UbugtuMalone bug 44920 in kdebase "KDEROOTHOME set incorrectly; user settings ignored" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  02:50
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imbrandon[07:52]  <imbrandon> there should really be a drop down as to what distro ( breezy / dapper / edgy ) is being used when the bug happens02:53
imbrandon[07:52]  <imbrandon> since the "supported" overlaps and the bugs are filed agains the source ( no version )02:53
imbrandon^^ Hobbsee02:53
Hobbseeimbrandon: true.  however we're only trying to fix the bugs in edgy, unless they're major02:53
imbrandonyea but that would cut down on alot of "needs info" 02:54
jjessei've never really understand how that works02:54
jjessebugs get fixed only in the next release?02:54
seaLnewhen i filed a bug recently i managed to do it against edgy02:54
imbrandonseaLne: yea but not easlily02:54
imbrandonanyhow i got to sleep hehehe02:54
imbrandongnight02:54
Hobbseeimbrandon: true.02:58
Hobbseejjesse: well, it's the idea of unstable/stable.  and seeing that some bugfixes also introduce new bugs02:59
RiddellHobbsee: 44920 is fixed in edgy02:59
Hobbseebug 4492002:59
UbugtuMalone bug 44920 in kdebase "KDEROOTHOME set incorrectly; user settings ignored" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4492002:59
HobbseeRiddell: did you close it then?02:59
jjessedon't forget tomorrow is a hug day :)03:00
Hobbseejjesse: oh yay.03:00
RiddellHobbsee: nope, please go ahead03:00
Hobbseejjesse: you volunteering to go thru the lists?03:00
HobbseeRiddell: :) just did.  how's the artsd fixing going?03:00
jjessewell try to go through some of them03:00
Hobbseejjesse: cool.  i do have a vague plan on how to go thru those bugs, if anyone's interested03:02
Hobbsee!info apache03:02
ubotuapache: versatile, high-performance HTTP server. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.3.34-2ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 375 kB, installed size 808 kB03:02
jjesseHobbsee: made the change on RestrictedFormats per your reuqest yesterday03:03
Hobbseejjesse: :) thankyou :)03:03
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jjesseRiddell: per bug 48525  i have recreated new release notes and uploaded them to svn can you read them and make sure they address that bug?03:04
UbugtuMalone bug 48525 in kubuntu-docs "Problems with Dapper Release Notes for Kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4852503:04
Hobbseejjesse: figured it was worth fixing, and changing the doco.  may as well have apps that work, after all03:04
jjessewhat a novel idea, having apps that work :)03:04
Hobbseejjesse: hehe!03:05
Hobbseeyeah03:05
jjesseofficial ubuntu book comes out august 4, 2006 go preorder your copy :)03:08
jjessecurrently ranked on amazon #10,943 :)03:08
Riddelljjesse: added to my TODO list03:09
RiddellO'Reilly gave me a free copy of Ubuntu Hacks the other day03:09
jjesseyeah was it any good?03:10
Hobbseejjesse: what probably would be helpful was if a group of people went thru all the bugs, and anything that looks like you need a high order developer (ie, one who knows everything) to fix, add to a wiki page somewhere.  that splits the "already fixed" bugs, the "simple to fix" bugs, and the "i really have no clue about these, but someone else should" type bugs - often which will need to be filed upstream anyway.03:10
Hobbseethey mentioned that at slug, actually03:10
jjessesome form of sub page of the bugsquad or something?03:10
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jeroenvrpRiddell: small report of the upgrade process from kde 3.5.3 to 3.5.4 on dapper:03:11
Hobbseejjesse: wherever.  and bring it up in the meeting, subscribe me to it, or whatever03:11
Riddelljeroenvrp: hmm?03:12
Hobbseejeroenvrp: shoot :)03:12
jjesseHobbsee: in my spare time :)03:12
jeroenvrp1. kdebase-data had files that were also in kcontrol, so I had to use the dpkg -i --force-overwrite03:12
Hobbseejjesse: hehe, of course :)03:12
Riddelljeroenvrp: got a list of those files?03:12
Hobbseejjesse: i'm just knowing that you'll be the one who's around when they're all triaging, while i'll be at uni or asleep03:13
jeroenvrp2. kaffeine and kalzium had the same problems, allthough that was fixed with apt-get upgrade -f03:13
Hobbseejeroenvrp: "some problems" is useless :P03:13
Riddelljeroenvrp: I need exact errors03:13
Hobbseedo you have a dpkg log of all this or something?  like, a pastebin of it?03:13
jeroenvrp3. kdebindings-java libdcop3-java libkde3-java libqt3-java will not upgrade, cant find why03:13
jeroenvrpRiddell: yes one moment03:13
jeroenvrpRiddell: I'm sorry, can't find it anymor03:17
Riddellbah03:18
Riddellwell 3) is easy, I never built kdebindings03:18
Riddell2) I've no idea about and 1) I should be able to fix with that information03:19
Hobbseehehe03:19
jeroenvrp2. I can remember that kaffeine-xine had some overlap with kaffeine03:20
jeroenvrpsorry03:20
jeroenvrpnext time I will try to log it03:20
jeroenvrpRiddell: but those bindings are build03:21
jeroenvrpadept want to update, but when I go there they are held03:21
jeroenvrpi will uninstall them03:21
Hobbseejeroenvrp: more useful to do that with apt-get - adept doesnt show how they break03:23
Hobbseejeroenvrp: you can still find otu what it's complaining over03:23
Hobbseeum, does anyone know what happened to kdetv in dapper, or is MoM on drugs?03:25
Hobbsees/dapper/debian/03:25
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jeroenvrpah I see what the problem with the bindings is03:31
jeroenvrpit want to install 3.5.203:32
jeroenvrpkdebindings-java 3.5.4 wants libdcop3-java, libkde3-java and libqt3-java 3.5.4, but the latter 3 are not there, only the 3.5.2 ones03:33
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Hobbseei dont believe this...03:33
jeroenvrpso kdebindings-java should be removed from the repos03:34
jeroenvrpfrom 3.5.4 repos that is03:34
Hobbseeall manual merges suck.03:38
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Hobbseehi bddebian 03:43
bddebianHi Hobbsee03:43
danimoHobbsee: are you using it actively?03:47
danimoHobbsee: or did you just see it failing?03:47
Hobbseedanimo: hmmm?03:47
danimoHobbsee: kdetv, didn't you complain about it?03:48
Hobbseedanimo: ahh.  it's listed on the merge-o-matic, but i cant seem to find the debian version it recognises.03:49
danimoHobbsee: merge-o-matic?03:49
Hobbseedanimo: yes.  keybuk wrote it, it's a tool for helping out merges03:49
danimoah, ok03:49
Hobbseebetween edgy and debian sid03:49
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jeroenvrpindeed, I can confirm the problems with the personal settings03:54
jeroenvrpkcontrol seems to wotk btw03:54
jeroenvrpallthough sometimes out of the blue the personalizer pops up03:54
jeroenvrpsometimes. is while starting03:54
jeroenvrplets start again03:54
Hobbseenight all03:55
Hobbseesee you all for the meeting, i expect03:55
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jeroenvrpok that is gone03:57
jeroenvrpalso konqueror settings are gone03:59
jeroenvrpincl the adblock filters03:59
jeroenvrpmmm only the adblock filters and the default profile04:01
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jeroenvrpalso all khotkeys are gone04:02
jeroenvrponly preset-actions are left04:02
Riddellthat's all down to kubuntu-default-settigns not being read04:03
HobbseeRiddell: does that just happen to the dapper people?  i havent noticed my k-d-s stuff gone04:04
Riddellit's dapper only04:07
Riddellthere's no reason for it, the package is the same as in edgy.  it's insane04:07
HobbseeRiddell: that's what i thought04:07
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jeroenvrpbut why doesnt readt my personal settings anymore04:09
jeroenvrpI mad a lot of modifications04:09
jeroenvrpmad=made04:09
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jeroenvrpit is must worst04:28
hungerAny progress on the edgy/arts crashes yet?04:29
jeroenvrpwhen I change e.g. the style from plastik to lipstik, it goes back to plastik after aprox. 15 min04:29
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rouzicHi all04:31
jeroenvrpsorry, but I? going back 3.5.304:33
Riddelljeroenvrp: thanks for your feedback though, it's been useful04:34
Tm_Tjeroenvrp: you're not alone ;)04:34
jeroenvrpRiddell: hopefully you will be able to fix those settings-issue 04:35
Tm_TRiddell: I prolly move to edgy tomorrow, unless you need someone as testdummy in dapper04:35
RiddellTm_T: do it04:35
Tm_Taye sit04:35
Tm_Tsir04:35
HobbseeRiddell: [00:29]  <hunger> Any progress on the edgy/arts crashes yet?04:36
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Tm_THobbsee: why you don't use alsa(player) ;)04:36
HobbseeTm_T: to get notifications?04:36
Tm_Tyes, I haven't been using arts since... dunno, ever04:37
Tm_TI made a script which I use as external player04:37
Tm_Tdunno if it's optimal way but it works04:37
Tm_Talsaplayer -d plug:dmix -l 0.5 -i text -q $*04:38
Tm_Tactually I should not need dmix anymore, have to test if it works04:39
Tm_Twithout it I mean04:39
Hobbseeah right04:39
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Tm_Tyess! hdmix o/04:40
Tm_Tlovely04:40
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freeflying|awayRiddell: ping05:05
Riddellfreeflying|away: hi05:06
freeflyingRiddell: scim-pinyin FTBFS, due to the change of scim  :)05:08
freeflyingRiddell: can I send you the debdiff using DCC now?05:10
Riddellfreeflying: not DCC, but web or e-mail sure05:11
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freeflyingRiddell: sent out ,thanks05:28
hungerRiddell: Any progress on the edgy/arts crashes yet?05:43
=== hunger appologizes for being such a pita but those crash windows are really annoying.
Riddellhunger: new kdemultimedia uploaded some minutes ago05:43
hungerRiddell: THANKS!05:43
hungerRiddell: I saw you will be at akedemy:-)05:44
hungerRiddell: Maybe I won't miss you there... I still owe you the beer I promissed you for when we meet at fosdem.05:44
Riddellfreeflying: uploaded05:59
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Tm_TRiddell: what's that kdebase-data upgrade on dapper06:15
Riddelladds a Replaces on kcontrol06:15
Tm_Thmm06:16
Tm_Tyou mean it should fix those configure issues?06:16
Tm_Tanyway, I'll look at it after sauna ->06:17
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Riddellallee: what is ITA and RFP?09:13
Riddellrequest for package09:13
Riddellintend to ...?09:14
mornfalladopt09:14
Riddellright09:14
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Riddellhi abattoir_, how's the code?09:17
alleeRiddell: 'Interest To Adapt' (for orphaned pkgs) and 'Request for Package'09:36
alleemodule typing error as usual ;)09:37
Riddellallee: was referring to the kat bug09:38
Riddellmight be an idea to just remove kat, which is what hunger suggested doing in ubuntu09:38
alleeRiddell: bug # ?09:38
Riddellhmm, I can't find it now09:39
Riddellit was in my e-mail09:39
Riddelldunno, lost it :(09:40
jjesseEdgy will be Kubuntu X.XX??  what is the X.XX like dapper is 6.0609:40
Riddell6.1009:40
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alleeRiddell: kat is a strange peace ;)  2 ITP one ITA, 2 commits in kde-extras (dec 2005), never uploaded.  kat.mandriva.com unavailable currently.  Launchpad has 2 bugs.  Any special reason to remove it?  (I've never used cat)10:01
alleefabo: ^^^10:02
Riddellallee: development on Kat seems to have stopped in favour of strigi10:02
Riddellstrigi is in debian and sync requested for ubuntu10:02
alleeyeah fabo pkged strigi.  fabo is case you see kat as a dead end too, maybe this should be mentioned in wnpp too.10:04
crimsunsomeone please SMS hobbsee, please10:06
Riddellcrimsun: why?10:06
crimsunshe's up for core-dev10:06
Riddelloh, meeting10:06
imbrandon_zZzRiddell: [15:06]  <Keybuk> (if somebody can ping hobbsse, please do so)10:06
crimsunimbrandon_zZz: sorry, I've been in conferences all day10:07
Riddellsent10:07
crimsunthanks10:07
imbrandonnp crimsun Riddell helped with my wiki a bit10:07
crimsunok, great. G'luck!10:07
imbrandonthanks ;) i'll need it , i'm going on 4 hours sleep 10:07
imbrandonhehe10:07
imbrandonJUST woke up10:08
jjessecore dev is for main access right?10:09
Riddellyes10:09
jjesseRiddell: if you get a chacne can you review my updated release notes (http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/release-notes/C/index.html) for bug 4852510:09
UbugtuMalone bug 48525 in kubuntu-docs "Problems with Dapper Release Notes for Kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4852510:09
Riddelljjesse: probably tomorrow, keep poking me please10:09
jjesseRiddell: np started working on edgy release notes today10:10
Riddellgreat :)10:10
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Hobbseemorning all10:52
Hobbseeimbrandon: hwo'd y10:52
Hobbseeimbrandon: how'd you do?10:52
imbrandonnot up[ yet10:52
crimsunhe's up next, I think.10:52
imbrandoni'm next10:52
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imbrandonbrb gonna grab a soda before they call me10:52
Hobbseecrimsun: did they do core people yet?10:52
crimsunbetter wake up fast, because TB is in the grilling mood today.10:52
crimsunHobbsee: yes10:53
crimsunjust ping in after imbrandon 10:53
Hobbseecrimsun: oh craup10:53
Hobbsee*crap10:53
imbrandonHobbsee: ;P10:54
Hobbseecrimsun: define the grilling mood?10:54
omeowSo... nvidia's driver won't work on edgy because it doesn't support the latest version of xorg, and we are forced to switch renderaccel off. 10:54
imbrandonlots of questions but nothing out of the norm it dosent seem to me10:54
omeowIs edgy going to be released in a state where it needs to have renderaccel turned off or will it be released after nvidia releases a new driver?10:55
Hobbseeoh dear10:55
crimsunthe questions today have been fairly extensive10:55
crimsunboth gauvain and michael have been grilled10:56
Hobbseegreat10:56
Hobbseedid they get thru though?10:56
crimsun(hope you have your wiki page done!)10:56
crimsunmichael (azeem) is still in-progress10:57
crimsungauvain was approved10:57
Hobbseecrimsun: cool.   wasnt much to change from MOTU, that i can see.  the goals havent changed.10:57
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RiddellHobbsee: because your phone was off11:00
HobbseeRiddell: ahhh...yes, i'm good at turning it off while fast asleep.11:01
HobbseeRiddell: and i turned it off last night on autopilot11:01
Hobbseeso even though the alarm on it went off, i must have switched it off11:01
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Hobbseegood, enough time for a shower. i have to get to uni on time today.11:04
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Hobbseedont let them finish without me :P11:06
crimsunyou have probably four minutes.11:07
crimsunimbrandon: you have a wiki page that documents your plans for universe, no? You should point TB to that.11:10
imbrandonyes11:11
Hobbseei'm back :)11:15
Hobbseeimbrandon: yay!!!!11:19
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imbrandongahhh11:19
imbrandonheheh11:19
imbrandonyay !11:19
crimsunimbrandon: of course you can just reassign them to Hobbsee once she gains ubuntu-core-dev privs.11:20
imbrandonhahahahaha11:20
imbrandon;)11:20
imbrandonthanks guys ( everyone ) for the kind words and cheering11:20
Hobbseehehe11:20
alleeimbrandon: congrats!11:26
imbrandonallee: thanks11:26
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imbrandonhahah too late you already did11:27
imbrandon;)11:27
pygiergh, damn it, I knew I forgot something :P11:27
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Hobbseesigh.11:48
crimsunfeel free to ping me; I'll attempt to shift my schedule a bit so that kubuntu stuff can be pushed in as quickly as possible.11:59
HobbseeRiddell: it's fun today :P12:01
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HobbseeRiddell: i have to eat first, otherwise i'll crash.12:07
RiddellHobbsee: at least we now have a clearer policy for what's needed to get into -core-dev12:07
tomafood is overrated12:08
HobbseeRiddell: true.  they might actually fix it too.12:08
Hobbseetoma: not when the lack of it makes you dizzy, pass out, hot/cold/hot/cold constantly, or sends your depth perception crazy.  among other things.12:08
tomafood is underrated12:09
Riddelltoma: except fresh home made hummous, that's not overrated at all12:09
Hobbseehehe12:09
tomahummous?12:09
tomachocolate mousse?12:09
Hobbseetoma: unforurtunately, i tend to run with that, which makes it very problematic when i've been using up a lot of energy - i simply run out :P12:09

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