[12:16] <omeow> Riddell, the zsnes package doesn't build. 
[12:16] <omeow> err, it does build, I meant it crashes on startup.
[12:16] <omeow> However, I just fetched the latest svn checkout, and now it works again.
[12:16] <omeow> Are you against svn snapshot packages in edgy?
[12:16] <Riddell> --> #ubuntu-motu
[12:17] <omeow> What's that channel all about... *reads the topic*
[12:17] <Riddell> where packages nobody cares about go to rest
[12:18] <omeow> hehe
[12:18] <bddebian> Riddell: HEY! :-)
[12:19] <bddebian> omeow: There is a new merge for it, I'll check it out
[12:19] <omeow> Oh, very cool. :)
[12:20] <omeow> If it ftbfs for you, try a make clean, I had to do that too.
[12:27] <Riddell> bddebian: :)
[12:29] <bddebian> Not that anyone cares that I care, mind you :-)
[12:30] <Tm_T> :p
[12:30] <imbrandon> moins all
[12:30] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[12:31] <imbrandon> heya
[12:32] <imbrandon> bddebian:  LOL [17:30]  <Kamion> severity: breaks-mdz-hardware <-- quote of the day ;)
[12:32] <bddebian> :-)
[12:33] <Tm_T> I think it's time to burn my brains with ET, so see you later ->
[12:58] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:58] <gnomefreak> ;)
[12:58] <imbrandon> ok so whats up?
[12:59] <gnomefreak> ok on dapper the default settings are messed up but on edgy they are not messed up but dapper loses teh vert. kubuntu-logo and the K button iirc
[01:00] <imbrandon> with an upgrade from 353 to 354 is what your talking about >
[01:00] <imbrandon> ?
[01:00] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: not sure if its upgrade or fresh i didnt ask :(
[01:01] <imbrandon> ahhh yea , i noticed that the kicker is a bit messed up on my brothers install ( looses clock , kmenu etc ) on upgrade but i havent had a chance to reporduce it
[01:02] <imbrandon> from kde anything --> 354
[01:02] <imbrandon> on dapper only
[01:02] <gnomefreak> the guy i was working with said he didnt have ~/.kde/default-system-settings/kde-profile
[01:02] <imbrandon> might just be a case of reinstalling k-d-s but i dont know
[01:03] <imbrandon> i can look or poke Riddell later when he is arround though
[01:03] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: ok but that doesnt make much sense unless it has soemthing to do with qt (not klibs)
[01:03] <imbrandon> i'll load dapper in a vm and try to reporduce it regularly
[01:04] <gnomefreak> im thinking the code for dapper and for edgy is same and depends on same libs 
[01:04] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: well in the case i witnessed first hand all it was is that kicker lost its settings and the wallpaper and stuff was reset to kde defaults not kubuntu
[01:04] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: i think its more of a case of default settings not code
[01:04] <Riddell> I know
[01:05] <imbrandon> err core code i should say, but the *rc files not being read ort installed or misplaced
[01:05] <gnomefreak> i would have thought edgy would reproduce it though
[01:05] <imbrandon> not nessesarly 
[01:05] <imbrandon> ahhh Riddell is awake ;) heheh
[01:05] <imbrandon> you know about it already ? okies
[01:06] <gnomefreak> yeah he brought it up to us
[01:06] <imbrandon> so no need for me to load a vm and test ? 
[01:06] <Riddell> I have zero idea why
[01:06] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[01:06] <gnomefreak> its been bugging me all day ;)
[01:07] <imbrandon> yea as i said i was vnc's into my brothers system yesterday and upgraded him to 354 ( he still runs dapper becouse he dosent know linux at all , i just converted him from windows )
[01:07] <imbrandon> and noticed it
[01:07] <imbrandon> i just reset his kicker etc and all was fine
[01:07] <imbrandon> but i'll load a vm and see if i can pinn down exactly why later tongiht
[01:08] <gnomefreak> bbiab dinner
[02:26] <jjesse> evening jsgotangco
[02:26] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:14] <Hobbsee> hi all
[06:23] <imbrandon> moins ;)
[06:24] <Hobbsee> anyone else getting more of "kopete is too old" bug?
[06:24] <imbrandon> for icq ? yea
[06:24] <imbrandon> i got it today
[06:24] <imbrandon> jez i got like 50 convo's going LOL
[06:25] <Hobbsee> right.  i wonder why
[06:38] <Hobbsee> kde 127921
[06:38] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 127921 in general "Contact status not correct updated after reconnect to internet" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127921
[06:39] <Hobbsee> oh well
[06:39] <Hobbsee> yay for two line bug fixes.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> anyone here still on dapper, at the moment?
[06:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm...amarok 1.4.2 beta1 hasnt broken anything major yet
[06:54] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: i'm on breezy with a horay kernel and kde 3.5.4 loaded from svn , does that count ?
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[06:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ahh...yeah...ish...
[06:54] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'm looking to see if the icq client too old bug is in the dapper kdenetwork packages as well
[06:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: seeing as i want it fixed *before* they do the point release on it
[07:30] <imbrandon> hahaha
[07:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how'd you know that having to ask for uploads was driving me bananas - as there are less people to ask to start off with.
[07:31] <imbrandon> yea , but the kubuntu "team" is comming togather nice
[07:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: indeed.  ready for edgy+1
[07:33] <crimsun> well, you probably could get core-dev pretty easily
[07:34] <Hobbsee> crimsun: would i get it if i went tomorrow?
[07:35] <crimsun> um..
[07:35] <crimsun> I don't think I could answer that unless I were a brilliant physicist.
[07:35] <Hobbsee> crimsun: but you do have an idea about it though
[07:36] <crimsun> I think you stand a good chance.
[07:36] <Hobbsee> crimsun: right
[07:38] <crimsun> I must be having key issues; I'll see if I can catch an admin in a few hours.
[07:38] <Hobbsee> eek
[07:39] <crimsun> (RE: bug 54742)
[07:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54742 in kde-guidance "Broken symlinks in kde-guidance-0.6.7-3ubuntu1" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54742
[07:39] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:50] <abattoir> Hobbsee: hi :)
[07:50] <abattoir> Hobbsee: where can i get the amarok package?
[07:51] <Hobbsee> abattoir: heya.  package or source, and are you on i386?
[07:51] <abattoir> amd64
[07:51] <Hobbsee> abattoir: dont have it for that architecture yet.
[07:51] <Hobbsee> abattoir: i've got the sources on imbrandon's machine, but he's having trouble uploading things
[07:51] <abattoir> so what's the fix for building it?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> abattoir: we'll request a UVF exception for 1.4.2 i expect - not beta 2
[07:52] <Hobbsee> seems nice though
[07:52] <abattoir> Hobbsee: what must i change? (in the control/rules file) ?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> dont remember sorry
[07:52] <abattoir> hehe, ok then...
[07:52] <abattoir> thanks
[07:54] <Hobbsee> !info ktorrent dapper
[07:54] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.2-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 738 kB, installed size 2964 kB
[08:29] <hendry>  /j bash
[08:29] <danimo> moin
[08:30] <Hobbsee> hi danimo!
[08:30] <danimo> heya Hobbsee
[08:31] <danimo> Hobbsee: did you upload amarok 1.4.2b1?
[08:31] <danimo> !info amarok
[08:31] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In repository main, is optional. Version 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 7630 kB, installed size 18672 kB
[08:31] <Hobbsee> danimo: nope
[08:31] <Hobbsee> danimo: needs a UVF exception
[08:31] <Hobbsee> i have i386 binaries though
[08:31] <danimo> UVF?
[08:31] <Hobbsee> upstream version freeze exception
[08:31] <Hobbsee> and i think i'll ask for that with 1.4.2 final
[08:34] <danimo> Hobbsee: huh? is edgy already frozen?
[08:34] <seaLne> for main yeah
[08:34] <danimo> wow
[08:34] <Hobbsee> danimo: main, yeah.
[08:54] <viviersf> :(
[08:54] <viviersf> konqueror = bleh
[08:54] <Hobbsee> viviersf: what's it done now?
[08:55] <viviersf> lol
[08:55] <viviersf> well
[08:55] <viviersf> it doesnt have a location bar any more
[08:55] <viviersf> since i updated it yesterday
[08:55] <viviersf> quite weird
[08:59] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:00] <viviersf> and like
[09:00] <viviersf> lol
[09:00] <viviersf> you must see this
[09:00] <viviersf> its like at the top :/
[09:00] <viviersf> settings , Help , edit, view , tools
[09:00] <viviersf> it alls just went insane :/
[09:02] <Hobbsee> viviersf: you on dapper, by any chance?
[09:02] <viviersf> yup
[09:02] <viviersf> dont worry 
[09:02] <viviersf> im not wanting help
[09:02] <viviersf> im just saying
[09:02] <viviersf> :P
[09:03] <Hobbsee> viviersf: yeah, fair enough.  no, i want you to check a bug for me, if you can
[09:03] <viviersf> yeh kewl
[09:03] <Hobbsee> viviersf: can you connect to icq in kopete today?
[09:03] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/54757
[09:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54757 in kdenetwork "Kopete cannot connect to ICQ due to protocol changes" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[09:03] <viviersf> well
[09:03] <viviersf> i can try 
[09:03] <viviersf> hold on
[09:04] <viviersf> just need to install it qui9ck\hmmf
[09:05] <viviersf> i cant install it
[09:05] <viviersf> cos like the mirrors are giving trouble again
[09:05] <viviersf> prolly the buildd's
[09:22] <Hobbsee> Lure_!!  hey you!
[09:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: whatever you do, dont reboot your machine without telling me, especially not until this compile is finished.
[09:48] <imbrandon> heh ok np
[09:48] <imbrandon> btw fix the inet problems
[09:48] <imbrandon> its was a faulty dns entry
[09:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, it looks faster :)
[09:48] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:48] <imbrandon> but yea i dont plan to reboot for ~24hours atleaste
[09:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool.  kdenetwork takes forever to compile.
[09:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: and i forgot to screen it, didnt i?  :P
[09:50] <imbrandon> heh are you still connected ?
[09:50] <imbrandon> i can check if its running
[09:50] <imbrandon> if you are off
[09:50] <Hobbsee> i'm connected
[09:50] <Lure_> hi Hobbsee - back from vacation and stuck in my inbox ;-(
[09:50] <Hobbsee> Lure_: hehe. enjoy :P
[09:51] <Hobbsee> Lure_: where'd you go on vac?
[09:51] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/etc/apt$ ps ax|grep screen
[09:51] <imbrandon>  5294 pts/1    R+     0:00 grep screen
[09:51] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/etc/apt$                
[09:51] <Lure_> Hobbsee: Corsica
[09:51] <imbrandon> dont look like it
[09:51] <Hobbsee> Lure_: nice!
[09:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, forgot to screen
[09:59] <seaLne> ps ax|grep SCREEN
[09:59] <seaLne> just to confuse you
[10:08] <mornfall> grep -i is your friend
[10:09] <Hobbsee> hi mornfall!
[10:09] <mornfall> hi
[10:12] <Hobbsee> hi abattoir 
[10:13] <abattoir> hi Hobbsee :)
[11:31] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hi
[11:32] <imbrandon> moins all
[11:32] <Tm_T> moin moin :)
[11:36] <pygi> imbrandon, !
[11:36] <imbrandon> heya pygi
[11:36] <imbrandon> pygi: i got most of the trinity UI ripped last night
[11:36] <pygi> how's the "in one day" UI? :)
[11:36] <imbrandon> i should be able to bzr it in the next ~12 hours
[11:37] <imbrandon> i would say
[11:37] <pygi> oh, most
[11:37] <pygi> hopefully you can bzr all :))
[11:37] <imbrandon> yea there was one or two dialogs that was easyier just to "recreate"
[11:37] <pygi>  oki, no worries ;)
[11:37] <imbrandon> yea i can bzr it all, i just ripped most ( less 2 dialogs so far )
[11:37] <pygi> finally :P
[11:38] <imbrandon> and i just remade those with designer
[11:38] <imbrandon> looks like we will have to adjust alot of it to kde4 anyhow ( mostly kde3 as is )
[11:38] <imbrandon> but thats no biggie
[11:38] <pygi> indeed
[11:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: anyone working on kopete ICQ fix?
[11:42] <imbrandon> araik she was ( and had it uploaded or getting ready to upload to revu )
[11:42] <imbrandon> afaik*
[11:43] <Riddell> "kdenetwork 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6.2 was ACCEPTED"  ah hah
[11:44] <imbrandon> brb afk 
[11:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how about edgy?
[12:08] <pygi> imbrandon, join, always join !
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: me.  done.
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :D
[12:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: even edgy?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yep :D
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: pitti  uploaded edgy, infinity uploaded dapper :)
[12:22] <Riddell> 4:3.5.4+kopete0.12.1-0ubuntu3
[12:22] <Riddell> you rock Hobbsee 
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :D
[12:22] <imbrandon> heheh ;)
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: want to say that tomorrow at the meeting?
[12:22] <Riddell> what meeting?
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: tech board.  your later today
[12:22] <Riddell> what are you going to do there?
[12:22] <imbrandon> +core dev
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, you might be making the annoucement we discussed, and core dev.
[12:23] <Riddell> I could do yes
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are you going to?
[12:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I think so
[12:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yay :)
[12:28] <ubuntu> Hi
[12:28] <Hobbsee> hi Ubugtu 
[12:28] <Hobbsee> hi ubuntu 
[12:28] <Hobbsee> darn tab completion
[12:29] <ubuntu> Hi Hobbsee :)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if you could cheer for me w.r.t core dev at the meeting later, i'd appreciate that.  also, imbrandon is going for MOTU, i believe
[12:33] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yup yup I am , and I asked him also ;)
[12:33] <imbrandon> just finishing his sugestions to my wiki now ;)
[12:50] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: poke
[12:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon:poke back
[12:53] <imbrandon> hrm i forgot, heh give me a sec to rember
[12:55] <Riddell> imbrandon: did you reply to iwj?
[12:55] <imbrandon> i never seen anything back from him, wonder if my spam filters ate it
[12:55] <Riddell> he posted to ubuntu-devel
[12:55] <Riddell> what did you send him?
[12:55] <imbrandon> ohhh i rarely read that, will go look
[12:56] <imbrandon> what i cc'd to you
[12:56] <imbrandon> thats all
[12:56] <imbrandon> what date on the -devel list so i can sanely grep it lol
[12:57] <Riddell> sunday i think
[12:58] <imbrandon> kk *looks*
[12:59] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  more jabber trouble.
[01:01] <imbrandon> ahh i see it now, and yea jabber is screwing up, wonder if its our kopete or jabber
[01:02] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea i see his comments, but i dont think he understood what i was asking , did you read the email i sent him ( and cc'd you ) ?
[01:02] <imbrandon> since ff is default in ubuntu it would be trivial to just add it to u-d-s 
[01:02] <imbrandon> was my point , then that wouldent even get installed in the dirivitives
[01:03] <imbrandon> ( as oposed to installing it as a dep of ff its self )
[01:03] <Riddell> my understanding is that it has to be a dep of ff from the way its implemented
[01:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's jabber.org
[01:04] <imbrandon> ahhh ok so he just implemented it un-sanely instead of say how we do the amarok theme stuff
[01:05] <imbrandon> should i just replay with something along those lines ( not confrontational but saying it would make everyones life easier just to make it part of a u-d-s implmentation )
[01:05] <imbrandon> as with amarok or other apps 
[01:07] <imbrandon> that and w.r.t. kde 3.5.{3,4} are either going to make -updates for the point release ?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are we doing about arts for kde 3.5.4?  i tried downgrading, and still got the crash.
[01:09] <hunger> Riddell: I have the same problem as Hobbsee.
[01:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it should work now
[01:10] <Riddell> it needs the latest libarts1-akode from kdemultimedia
[01:10] <Hobbsee> right...yep?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> thought i got that
[01:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, can you tell me which version is "latest" then please?
[01:12] <Hobbsee> on cue, i get a kcrash dialog about artsd :P
[01:13] <imbrandon> heh yea my brother updated too and said the crash went away but i dident ask him any more than that
[01:13] <Riddell> dapper0.1
[01:13] <Hobbsee> yay, my kopete hit the archive :)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you updating the edgy ones at all?
[01:13] <Riddell> ah, that's a good point
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe!
[01:34] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: lol
[01:35] <Hobbsee> FOUND THEM!!!
[01:35] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[01:35] <jeroenvrp> ok, I'm going to test kde 3.5.4 - I heard there are some issues with it: anyone know which?
[01:35] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: on edgy or dapper?
[01:35] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: on dapper
[01:35] <Hobbsee> arts is buggered on edgy, seeing as someone forgot to fix it :P
[01:35] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: you should be okay
[01:35] <jeroenvrp> ok
[01:35] <jeroenvrp> thanks Hobbsee 
[01:36] <jeroenvrp> btw I only see dapper
[01:36] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp: its in edgy by default atm
[01:36] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: off course :-)
[01:37] <imbrandon> so if you have edgy ( not recomended for non developers ) you have 3.5.4 ;)
[01:37] <jeroenvrp> I stay on dapper for a while
[01:37] <imbrandon> good call ;)
[01:44] <danimo> Hobbsee: oh, don't remind me on tax stuff
[01:44] <Ignite_> hrm, i have the KDE kubuntu repo in my sources.list, is there another repo with 3.5.4 or do i need to build from source?
[01:45] <Ignite_> oh dear
[01:47] <Ignite_> ah
[01:47] <Ignite_> i was under the impression 3.5.4 had been released
[01:47] <Ignite_> nvm
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Ignite_: well...it sort of has
[01:56] <Ignite_> ah
[01:57] <Tm_T> well, 3.5.4 has issues in dapper
[01:57] <Hobbsee> Ignite_: it's not officially released yet, but there's packages for it
[01:57] <Ignite_> :(
[01:57] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: which ones, and are they on the wiki somewhere?
[01:57] <Ignite_> i will wait until its released :)
[01:57] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: no idea if there's list somewhere, but: somehow many KDE-related settings are ignored/fallen back to defaults
[01:58] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: and that list is not a short one ;(
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: ah yeah, i heard someone mention that
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: heh, yeah
[01:58] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: prolly me, I've been barking about it here ;)
[01:58] <Tm_T> also
[01:59] <Tm_T> 00:39 < Riddell>  /etc/kderc is being ignored
[01:59] <Tm_T> 00:39 < Riddell> I've no idea why
[01:59] <Tm_T> :p
[01:59] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:02] <Tm_T> hmm, I forgot how I set konqueror to always show tabbar 
[02:03] <imbrandon> !heartbeat
[02:03] <ubotu> I know nothing about heartbeat - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:03] <imbrandon> !info heartbeat
[02:03] <ubotu> heartbeat: Subsystem for High-Availability Linux. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.2.4-2ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 475 kB, installed size 1600 kB
[02:09] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: don't
[02:09] <Riddell> seriously, they're dangerous
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why so?
[02:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: they messed with my head, I had a stage of collapsing into bed at 7 in the evening on random days and the common factor was instant noodles
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: eek!
[02:11] <imbrandon> !find pbuttons
[02:11] <ubotu> No packages matching 'pbuttons' could be found
[02:11] <imbrandon> !find pbbuttons
[02:11] <ubotu> No packages matching 'pbbuttons' could be found
[02:11] <imbrandon> grr
[02:11] <imbrandon> !find buttons
[02:11] <ubotu> No packages matching 'buttons' could be found
[02:12] <imbrandon> what package is the pbbuttons in ? anyone know
[02:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the one that always fails on boot?  no idea
[02:15] <Hobbsee> !info pbuttonsd edgy
[02:15] <ubotu> Package pbuttonsd does not exist in edgy
[02:15] <Hobbsee> !info pbbuttonsd edgy
[02:15] <ubotu> pbbuttonsd: PBButtons daemon to handle special hotkeys of Apple computers. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.7.5-2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 125 kB, installed size 500 kB (Only available for i386 powerpc)
[02:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that one?  ^
[02:15] <imbrandon> heh probably fails on boot becouse its power book buttons 
[02:15] <imbrandon> yea
[02:15] <Hobbsee> iv'e got that package installed too - and i'm certainly not running a powerbook
[02:16] <imbrandon> heh well someone files a bug agains xserver and it should be files on that
[02:16] <imbrandon> http://launchpad.net/bugs/54782
[02:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54782 in heartbeat "fails to install " [Untriaged,Confirmed]  
[02:16] <imbrandon> err 
[02:16] <imbrandon> not that one
[02:16] <imbrandon> http://launchpad.net/bugs/54781
[02:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54781 in xorg-server "Terrible keyboard performance on PPC" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[02:17] <imbrandon> 54781 should be against pbbuttonsd not xorg
[02:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: change it then?
[02:17] <imbrandon> and i have no idea why you have it installed if you dont have an apple ;)
[02:18] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: looks to be an alternative to laptop-mode-tools.  dunno
[02:20] <imbrandon> i also asked for more info
[02:27] <imbrandon> ok i'm off to take a nap before TB , see yall in a few hours
[02:28] <imbrandon> hehe i triaged my few for the day 
[02:28] <imbrandon> heh , gnight
[02:32] <Hobbsee> yay for bug triage on kdebase.
[02:36] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: three hoorays for you :)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: :)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you want to check https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/44920 - doubt it's got anything to do with the dapper kde 3.5.4 problems...
[02:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44920 in kdebase "KDEROOTHOME set incorrectly; user settings ignored" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  
[02:53] <imbrandon> [07:52]  <imbrandon> there should really be a drop down as to what distro ( breezy / dapper / edgy ) is being used when the bug happens
[02:53] <imbrandon> [07:52]  <imbrandon> since the "supported" overlaps and the bugs are filed agains the source ( no version )
[02:53] <imbrandon> ^^ Hobbsee
[02:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: true.  however we're only trying to fix the bugs in edgy, unless they're major
[02:54] <imbrandon> yea but that would cut down on alot of "needs info" 
[02:54] <jjesse> i've never really understand how that works
[02:54] <jjesse> bugs get fixed only in the next release?
[02:54] <seaLne> when i filed a bug recently i managed to do it against edgy
[02:54] <imbrandon> seaLne: yea but not easlily
[02:54] <imbrandon> anyhow i got to sleep hehehe
[02:54] <imbrandon> gnight
[02:58] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: true.
[02:59] <Hobbsee> jjesse: well, it's the idea of unstable/stable.  and seeing that some bugfixes also introduce new bugs
[02:59] <Riddell> Hobbsee: 44920 is fixed in edgy
[02:59] <Hobbsee> bug 44920
[02:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44920 in kdebase "KDEROOTHOME set incorrectly; user settings ignored" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44920
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you close it then?
[03:00] <jjesse> don't forget tomorrow is a hug day :)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> jjesse: oh yay.
[03:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: nope, please go ahead
[03:00] <Hobbsee> jjesse: you volunteering to go thru the lists?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :) just did.  how's the artsd fixing going?
[03:00] <jjesse> well try to go through some of them
[03:02] <Hobbsee> jjesse: cool.  i do have a vague plan on how to go thru those bugs, if anyone's interested
[03:02] <Hobbsee> !info apache
[03:02] <ubotu> apache: versatile, high-performance HTTP server. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.3.34-2ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 375 kB, installed size 808 kB
[03:03] <jjesse> Hobbsee: made the change on RestrictedFormats per your reuqest yesterday
[03:03] <Hobbsee> jjesse: :) thankyou :)
[03:04] <jjesse> Riddell: per bug 48525  i have recreated new release notes and uploaded them to svn can you read them and make sure they address that bug?
[03:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48525 in kubuntu-docs "Problems with Dapper Release Notes for Kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48525
[03:04] <Hobbsee> jjesse: figured it was worth fixing, and changing the doco.  may as well have apps that work, after all
[03:04] <jjesse> what a novel idea, having apps that work :)
[03:05] <Hobbsee> jjesse: hehe!
[03:05] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:08] <jjesse> official ubuntu book comes out august 4, 2006 go preorder your copy :)
[03:08] <jjesse> currently ranked on amazon #10,943 :)
[03:09] <Riddell> jjesse: added to my TODO list
[03:09] <Riddell> O'Reilly gave me a free copy of Ubuntu Hacks the other day
[03:10] <jjesse> yeah was it any good?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> jjesse: what probably would be helpful was if a group of people went thru all the bugs, and anything that looks like you need a high order developer (ie, one who knows everything) to fix, add to a wiki page somewhere.  that splits the "already fixed" bugs, the "simple to fix" bugs, and the "i really have no clue about these, but someone else should" type bugs - often which will need to be filed upstream anyway.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> they mentioned that at slug, actually
[03:10] <jjesse> some form of sub page of the bugsquad or something?
[03:11] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: small report of the upgrade process from kde 3.5.3 to 3.5.4 on dapper:
[03:11] <Hobbsee> jjesse: wherever.  and bring it up in the meeting, subscribe me to it, or whatever
[03:12] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: hmm?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: shoot :)
[03:12] <jjesse> Hobbsee: in my spare time :)
[03:12] <jeroenvrp> 1. kdebase-data had files that were also in kcontrol, so I had to use the dpkg -i --force-overwrite
[03:12] <Hobbsee> jjesse: hehe, of course :)
[03:12] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: got a list of those files?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i'm just knowing that you'll be the one who's around when they're all triaging, while i'll be at uni or asleep
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> 2. kaffeine and kalzium had the same problems, allthough that was fixed with apt-get upgrade -f
[03:13] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: "some problems" is useless :P
[03:13] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: I need exact errors
[03:13] <Hobbsee> do you have a dpkg log of all this or something?  like, a pastebin of it?
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> 3. kdebindings-java libdcop3-java libkde3-java libqt3-java will not upgrade, cant find why
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: yes one moment
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: I'm sorry, can't find it anymor
[03:18] <Riddell> bah
[03:18] <Riddell> well 3) is easy, I never built kdebindings
[03:19] <Riddell> 2) I've no idea about and 1) I should be able to fix with that information
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:20] <jeroenvrp> 2. I can remember that kaffeine-xine had some overlap with kaffeine
[03:20] <jeroenvrp> sorry
[03:20] <jeroenvrp> next time I will try to log it
[03:21] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: but those bindings are build
[03:21] <jeroenvrp> adept want to update, but when I go there they are held
[03:21] <jeroenvrp> i will uninstall them
[03:23] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: more useful to do that with apt-get - adept doesnt show how they break
[03:23] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: you can still find otu what it's complaining over
[03:25] <Hobbsee> um, does anyone know what happened to kdetv in dapper, or is MoM on drugs?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> s/dapper/debian/
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> ah I see what the problem with the bindings is
[03:32] <jeroenvrp> it want to install 3.5.2
[03:33] <jeroenvrp> kdebindings-java 3.5.4 wants libdcop3-java, libkde3-java and libqt3-java 3.5.4, but the latter 3 are not there, only the 3.5.2 ones
[03:33] <Hobbsee> i dont believe this...
[03:34] <jeroenvrp> so kdebindings-java should be removed from the repos
[03:34] <jeroenvrp> from 3.5.4 repos that is
[03:38] <Hobbsee> all manual merges suck.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[03:43] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:47] <danimo> Hobbsee: are you using it actively?
[03:47] <danimo> Hobbsee: or did you just see it failing?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> danimo: hmmm?
[03:48] <danimo> Hobbsee: kdetv, didn't you complain about it?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> danimo: ahh.  it's listed on the merge-o-matic, but i cant seem to find the debian version it recognises.
[03:49] <danimo> Hobbsee: merge-o-matic?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> danimo: yes.  keybuk wrote it, it's a tool for helping out merges
[03:49] <danimo> ah, ok
[03:49] <Hobbsee> between edgy and debian sid
[03:54] <jeroenvrp> indeed, I can confirm the problems with the personal settings
[03:54] <jeroenvrp> kcontrol seems to wotk btw
[03:54] <jeroenvrp> allthough sometimes out of the blue the personalizer pops up
[03:54] <jeroenvrp> sometimes. is while starting
[03:54] <jeroenvrp> lets start again
[03:55] <Hobbsee> night all
[03:55] <Hobbsee> see you all for the meeting, i expect
[03:57] <jeroenvrp> ok that is gone
[03:59] <jeroenvrp> also konqueror settings are gone
[03:59] <jeroenvrp> incl the adblock filters
[04:01] <jeroenvrp> mmm only the adblock filters and the default profile
[04:02] <jeroenvrp> also all khotkeys are gone
[04:02] <jeroenvrp> only preset-actions are left
[04:03] <Riddell> that's all down to kubuntu-default-settigns not being read
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does that just happen to the dapper people?  i havent noticed my k-d-s stuff gone
[04:07] <Riddell> it's dapper only
[04:07] <Riddell> there's no reason for it, the package is the same as in edgy.  it's insane
[04:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's what i thought
[04:09] <jeroenvrp> but why doesnt readt my personal settings anymore
[04:09] <jeroenvrp> I mad a lot of modifications
[04:09] <jeroenvrp> mad=made
[04:28] <jeroenvrp> it is must worst
[04:29] <hunger> Any progress on the edgy/arts crashes yet?
[04:29] <jeroenvrp> when I change e.g. the style from plastik to lipstik, it goes back to plastik after aprox. 15 min
[04:31] <rouzic> Hi all
[04:33] <jeroenvrp> sorry, but I? going back 3.5.3
[04:34] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: thanks for your feedback though, it's been useful
[04:34] <Tm_T> jeroenvrp: you're not alone ;)
[04:35] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: hopefully you will be able to fix those settings-issue 
[04:35] <Tm_T> Riddell: I prolly move to edgy tomorrow, unless you need someone as testdummy in dapper
[04:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: do it
[04:35] <Tm_T> aye sit
[04:35] <Tm_T> sir
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: [00:29]  <hunger> Any progress on the edgy/arts crashes yet?
[04:36] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: why you don't use alsa(player) ;)
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: to get notifications?
[04:37] <Tm_T> yes, I haven't been using arts since... dunno, ever
[04:37] <Tm_T> I made a script which I use as external player
[04:37] <Tm_T> dunno if it's optimal way but it works
[04:38] <Tm_T> alsaplayer -d plug:dmix -l 0.5 -i text -q $*
[04:39] <Tm_T> actually I should not need dmix anymore, have to test if it works
[04:39] <Tm_T> without it I mean
[04:39] <Hobbsee> ah right
[04:40] <Tm_T> yess! hdmix o/
[04:40] <Tm_T> lovely
[05:05] <freeflying|away> Riddell: ping
[05:06] <Riddell> freeflying|away: hi
[05:08] <freeflying> Riddell: scim-pinyin FTBFS, due to the change of scim  :)
[05:10] <freeflying> Riddell: can I send you the debdiff using DCC now?
[05:11] <Riddell> freeflying: not DCC, but web or e-mail sure
[05:28] <freeflying> Riddell: sent out ,thanks
[05:43] <hunger> Riddell: Any progress on the edgy/arts crashes yet?
[05:43] <Riddell> hunger: new kdemultimedia uploaded some minutes ago
[05:43] <hunger> Riddell: THANKS!
[05:44] <hunger> Riddell: I saw you will be at akedemy:-)
[05:44] <hunger> Riddell: Maybe I won't miss you there... I still owe you the beer I promissed you for when we meet at fosdem.
[05:59] <Riddell> freeflying: uploaded
[06:15] <Tm_T> Riddell: what's that kdebase-data upgrade on dapper
[06:15] <Riddell> adds a Replaces on kcontrol
[06:16] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:16] <Tm_T> you mean it should fix those configure issues?
[06:17] <Tm_T> anyway, I'll look at it after sauna ->
[09:13] <Riddell> allee: what is ITA and RFP?
[09:13] <Riddell> request for package
[09:14] <Riddell> intend to ...?
[09:14] <mornfall> adopt
[09:14] <Riddell> right
[09:17] <Riddell> hi abattoir_, how's the code?
[09:36] <allee> Riddell: 'Interest To Adapt' (for orphaned pkgs) and 'Request for Package'
[09:37] <allee> module typing error as usual ;)
[09:38] <Riddell> allee: was referring to the kat bug
[09:38] <Riddell> might be an idea to just remove kat, which is what hunger suggested doing in ubuntu
[09:38] <allee> Riddell: bug # ?
[09:39] <Riddell> hmm, I can't find it now
[09:39] <Riddell> it was in my e-mail
[09:40] <Riddell> dunno, lost it :(
[09:40] <jjesse> Edgy will be Kubuntu X.XX??  what is the X.XX like dapper is 6.06
[09:40] <Riddell> 6.10
[10:01] <allee> Riddell: kat is a strange peace ;)  2 ITP one ITA, 2 commits in kde-extras (dec 2005), never uploaded.  kat.mandriva.com unavailable currently.  Launchpad has 2 bugs.  Any special reason to remove it?  (I've never used cat)
[10:02] <allee> fabo: ^^^
[10:02] <Riddell> allee: development on Kat seems to have stopped in favour of strigi
[10:02] <Riddell> strigi is in debian and sync requested for ubuntu
[10:04] <allee> yeah fabo pkged strigi.  fabo is case you see kat as a dead end too, maybe this should be mentioned in wnpp too.
[10:06] <crimsun> someone please SMS hobbsee, please
[10:06] <Riddell> crimsun: why?
[10:06] <crimsun> she's up for core-dev
[10:06] <Riddell> oh, meeting
[10:06] <imbrandon_zZz> Riddell: [15:06]  <Keybuk> (if somebody can ping hobbsse, please do so)
[10:07] <crimsun> imbrandon_zZz: sorry, I've been in conferences all day
[10:07] <Riddell> sent
[10:07] <crimsun> thanks
[10:07] <imbrandon> np crimsun Riddell helped with my wiki a bit
[10:07] <crimsun> ok, great. G'luck!
[10:07] <imbrandon> thanks ;) i'll need it , i'm going on 4 hours sleep 
[10:07] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:08] <imbrandon> JUST woke up
[10:09] <jjesse> core dev is for main access right?
[10:09] <Riddell> yes
[10:09] <jjesse> Riddell: if you get a chacne can you review my updated release notes (http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/release-notes/C/index.html) for bug 48525
[10:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48525 in kubuntu-docs "Problems with Dapper Release Notes for Kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48525
[10:09] <Riddell> jjesse: probably tomorrow, keep poking me please
[10:10] <jjesse> Riddell: np started working on edgy release notes today
[10:10] <Riddell> great :)
[10:52] <Hobbsee> morning all
[10:52] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hwo'd y
[10:52] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how'd you do?
[10:52] <imbrandon> not up[ yet
[10:52] <crimsun> he's up next, I think.
[10:52] <imbrandon> i'm next
[10:52] <imbrandon> brb gonna grab a soda before they call me
[10:52] <Hobbsee> crimsun: did they do core people yet?
[10:52] <crimsun> better wake up fast, because TB is in the grilling mood today.
[10:53] <crimsun> Hobbsee: yes
[10:53] <crimsun> just ping in after imbrandon 
[10:53] <Hobbsee> crimsun: oh craup
[10:53] <Hobbsee> *crap
[10:54] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: ;P
[10:54] <Hobbsee> crimsun: define the grilling mood?
[10:54] <omeow> So... nvidia's driver won't work on edgy because it doesn't support the latest version of xorg, and we are forced to switch renderaccel off. 
[10:54] <imbrandon> lots of questions but nothing out of the norm it dosent seem to me
[10:55] <omeow> Is edgy going to be released in a state where it needs to have renderaccel turned off or will it be released after nvidia releases a new driver?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[10:55] <crimsun> the questions today have been fairly extensive
[10:56] <crimsun> both gauvain and michael have been grilled
[10:56] <Hobbsee> great
[10:56] <Hobbsee> did they get thru though?
[10:56] <crimsun> (hope you have your wiki page done!)
[10:57] <crimsun> michael (azeem) is still in-progress
[10:57] <crimsun> gauvain was approved
[10:57] <Hobbsee> crimsun: cool.   wasnt much to change from MOTU, that i can see.  the goals havent changed.
[11:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: because your phone was off
[11:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhh...yes, i'm good at turning it off while fast asleep.
[11:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and i turned it off last night on autopilot
[11:01] <Hobbsee> so even though the alarm on it went off, i must have switched it off
[11:04] <Hobbsee> good, enough time for a shower. i have to get to uni on time today.
[11:06] <Hobbsee> dont let them finish without me :P
[11:07] <crimsun> you have probably four minutes.
[11:10] <crimsun> imbrandon: you have a wiki page that documents your plans for universe, no? You should point TB to that.
[11:11] <imbrandon> yes
[11:15] <Hobbsee> i'm back :)
[11:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yay!!!!
[11:19] <imbrandon> gahhh
[11:19] <imbrandon> heheh
[11:19] <imbrandon> yay !
[11:20] <crimsun> imbrandon: of course you can just reassign them to Hobbsee once she gains ubuntu-core-dev privs.
[11:20] <imbrandon> hahahahaha
[11:20] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:20] <imbrandon> thanks guys ( everyone ) for the kind words and cheering
[11:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:26] <allee> imbrandon: congrats!
[11:26] <imbrandon> allee: thanks
[11:27] <imbrandon> hahah too late you already did
[11:27] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:27] <pygi> ergh, damn it, I knew I forgot something :P
[11:48] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[11:59] <crimsun> feel free to ping me; I'll attempt to shift my schedule a bit so that kubuntu stuff can be pushed in as quickly as possible.
[12:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's fun today :P
[12:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i have to eat first, otherwise i'll crash.
[12:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: at least we now have a clearer policy for what's needed to get into -core-dev
[12:08] <toma> food is overrated
[12:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true.  they might actually fix it too.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> toma: not when the lack of it makes you dizzy, pass out, hot/cold/hot/cold constantly, or sends your depth perception crazy.  among other things.
[12:09] <toma> food is underrated
[12:09] <Riddell> toma: except fresh home made hummous, that's not overrated at all
[12:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:09] <toma> hummous?
[12:09] <toma> chocolate mousse?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> toma: unforurtunately, i tend to run with that, which makes it very problematic when i've been using up a lot of energy - i simply run out :P