[12:17] <omeow> o/
[12:17] <omeow> I see...
[12:17] <omeow> Thanks Riddell. :)
[12:18] <omeow> zsnes 1.42 is very old, from 2005 as far as I know. Now, the version that comes with edgy doesn't work, it crashes on startup.
[12:18] <omeow> I've reported the issue here; https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/zsnes/+bug/54199
[12:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54199 in zsnes "zsnes segfault on startup" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[12:19] <omeow> And since then, i've checked out their repository and build zsnes from source, which is very recent. Not quite sure why they don't release a new version, but the svn build works fine on edgy.
[12:21] <bddebian> omeow: What's the latest upstream version?
[12:21] <crimsun> shawarma: zsnes is most recently your merge. omeow has LP #54199. Any plans?
[12:21] <omeow> hang on
[12:21] <omeow> *uses google instead of launchpad search*
[12:21] <omeow> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/zsnes/1.420-1ubuntu1
[12:22] <bddebian> Aye, and as I said there is a new merge for that -2 from Debian.  I mean what is the new upstream, upstream version?
[12:23] <crimsun> 1.42 is the latest.
[12:23] <omeow> Yes, but for some reason they don't release versions often enough.
[12:23] <crimsun> It only very recently entered debian etch, so the debian maintainer may have plans.
[12:24] <crimsun> s/entered/migrated to/
[12:39] <bddebian> omeow: zsnes -2 builds fine from Debian but I don't know if it fixes your segfault
[12:39] <omeow> Must I make use of pbuilder to test if the build works?
[12:41] <crimsun> no, but you have to install the deb to test.
[12:42] <omeow> Ok, very well. Send me the deb and I'll test it.
[12:44] <bddebian> I'll post it, give me a sec
[12:44] <omeow> ok
[12:46] <bddebian> http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/zsnes/
[12:47] <omeow> hehe, let me just finish this game of King of Dragon. :)
[01:23] <omeow> Ok, bddebian, just finished the game. :)
[01:23] <omeow> I'll try the package now.
[01:24] <Amaranth> in my .install file can i just put, say, "foo.service" and have that package claim ownership of foo.service where ever it might be located?
[01:27] <omeow> bddebian, the program still crashes.
[01:34] <crimsun> omeow: strace and/or gdb bt, please.
[01:35] <omeow> What for? It's the same error as I attached to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/zsnes/+bug/54199
[01:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54199 in zsnes "zsnes segfault on startup" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[01:36] <omeow> crimsun, in the mean time, i've succesfully built the latest svn version.
[01:39] <crimsun> omeow: it'd be best to coordinate w/ debian to have a new snapshot, then.
[01:39] <omeow> I don't know how to do that.
[01:41] <crimsun> omeow: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
[01:41] <crimsun> omeow: link to the Ubuntu bug report and the Gentoo bug report
[01:42] <crimsun> omeow: then suggest that the maintainer consider a snapshot
[01:42] <omeow> That easy? :) Ok then.
[02:31] <kmilo> Adios
[02:43] <bddebian> We really do have some whacky packages in the archive :)
[02:51] <imbrandon> lol
[02:51] <imbrandon> yea
[02:58] <TheMuso> Does any MOTU think that big #53434 could be a dapper-updates candidate? Mind you, it has receved its first update in Debian earlier this year. No changes have been made to it since 2003.
[02:59] <TheMuso> bug #53434
[02:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53434 in gradio "gradio binary is installed into /usr/X11R6/bin" [Untriaged,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53434
[02:59] <TheMuso> I stated it was fixed in edgy, but am just wondering about it.
[03:00] <crimsun> honestly, no, it's not an -updates candidate.
[03:01] <TheMuso> Didn't think so.
[03:02] <crimsun> although it involves a fairly trivial fix (one line, two at most), it does not actually fix a usability bug.
[03:02] <TheMuso> Yeah I know.
[03:02] <TheMuso> Just wanted a second opinion.
[03:02] <TheMuso> Thanks crimsun.
[03:02] <crimsun> np.
[03:10] <LaserJock> bddebian: hm?
[04:14] <LaserJock> bmonty!
[04:14] <bmonty> hi LaserJock
[04:15] <bddebian> LaserJock!!
[04:15] <bddebian> Hi bmonty
[04:16] <LaserJock> hola bddebian
[04:16] <bddebian> Como esta usted?
[04:17] <LaserJock> hehe, now don't make me use babelfish
[04:17] <bddebian> Heh
[04:17] <bmonty> muy bien
[04:17] <LaserJock> my spanish is terrible for somebody who lives in Nevada
[04:17] <LaserJock> the only thing I can say is I was raised in Montana
[04:17] <imbrandon> heh
[04:17] <bmonty> I know how to say some things that will quickly start a fight :)
[04:18] <LaserJock> and even then, my wife (also born and raised in MT) minored in Spanish in college so she nows more than me
[04:18] <bddebian> Donde esta el bano
[04:18] <bmonty> LaserJock: my wife minored in spanish....I order the beer, she does everything else
[04:18] <LaserJock> hehe
[04:18] <imbrandon> lol
[04:18] <bddebian> heh
[04:20] <LaserJock> anytime I'm in a fast food place here I try to pick up stuff, so far they just talk to fast for me
[04:21] <LaserJock> or I can read the sample ballots I just got in the mail ;-)
[04:21] <imbrandon> LaserJock: checkout http://radio.weblogs.com/0142338/
[04:22] <imbrandon> podcast quote "A series of podcasts aimed at helping you in your efforts to learn Spanish using unconventional techniques I developed during the seven years I spent in Spain teaching English and learning Spanish. "
[04:24] <LaserJock> imbrandon: hmm, I need to find a German version of that
[04:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:25] <LaserJock> anybody on jabber.org right now?
[04:25] <bmonty> LaserJock: I am
[04:26] <LaserJock> bmonty: and you can connect? for some reason I haven't been able to for the last hour or so
[04:26] <imbrandon> i am also
[04:26] <bmonty> gaim says that I am currently connected
[04:26] <imbrandon> hrm i just just dissconnected and reconnected and no probs
[04:26] <bmonty> ...and another merge bites the dust
[04:28] <bmonty> LaserJock: what is your screen name I'll send a test message to you
[04:28] <bddebian> :-)
[04:28] <imbrandon> bmonty: i bet its on LP ;)
[04:29] <LaserJock> bmonty: laserjock@
[04:29] <LaserJock> I just connected by turning of the SSL
[04:30] <imbrandon> heh LaserJock you type "laserjock" in the wiki search and you get redirected to EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy/LaserJock
[04:30] <LaserJock> haha
[04:31] <imbrandon> heh i was expecting /JordanMathis (sp? ) hehehe
[04:31] <LaserJock> Mantha
[04:31] <imbrandon> thats why i made a page /imbrandon and /BrandonHoltsclaw the latter redirects to the former ;)
[04:31] <LaserJock> ah, smart
[04:31] <bmonty> imbrandon: good idea
[04:32] <imbrandon> ahh right, heheh was doing it from memory and my memory sucks ;)
[04:32] <imbrandon> WRT real name esp
[04:32] <imbrandon> heh
[04:34] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yes, well, in hindsight I think I might have choosen a better IRC nick
[04:34] <imbrandon> leaste i was close though ;) hehe
[04:34] <LaserJock> heh
[04:35] <imbrandon> heh yea i was "Eagle" on irc for many years ( 95/96ish to 2002 ) then i discovered that was hard to search for in google
[04:35] <tseng> wow you're old
[04:36] <imbrandon> but if you want to lookup the old stuff i did with mono development or UOX3 or RunUO and a few other projects back then , you have to look for "Eagle" on the mono dev mailing lists etc LOL
[04:36] <imbrandon> tseng: old? umm i'm only 27 heh
[04:36] <bddebian> Shut up tseng ;-)
[04:36] <tseng> hah.
[04:36] <tseng> I assume we arent thinking of the same mono
[04:37] <tseng> the one with the squeaky mexican accent
[04:37] <imbrandon> mono as in the GNU .net stuff ;)
[04:37] <tseng> hm, cool
[04:37] <tseng> I had no idea
[04:37] <LaserJock> imbrandon: wow, I didn't know they had IRC back then
[04:37] <bddebian> tseng: Is your buddy over in -devel a core-dev, MOTU or anything else?
[04:37] <tseng> bddebian: what?
[04:38] <bddebian> You shut up too LaserJock :-)
[04:38] <bddebian> tseng: bluefoxicy
[04:38] <tseng> dude
[04:38] <imbrandon> LaserJock: hahaha yea IRC has been arround for a LONG time
[04:38] <tseng> that guy is a nobody
[04:38] <bddebian> I know so why doesn't someone shut his ass up?
[04:38] <tseng> if it wasnt for CoC and the whole CC/TB watching i would have beat him silly a long time ago
[04:38] <tseng> I mean...
[04:39] <tseng> given him a thumbs up
[04:39] <bddebian> hehe
[04:39] <bddebian> And you thought (think?) I talk too much.. Sheesh :-)
[04:39] <imbrandon> heh i'm waiting for someone to boot him on the grounds of the CoC , he is quite demeaning to women in IRC and many other things
[04:39] <tseng> well, no one is dumb enough to put me in the access list
[04:40] <bddebian> heh
[04:40] <tseng> or he'd be gone
[04:40] <bmonty> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1459.txt?number=1459, published in 1993
[04:40] <imbrandon> heh -devel is about the only place i dont have access list to ;)
[04:40] <tseng> I first got on 99 or 2000
[04:40] <tseng> OPN
[04:40] <tseng> was the place to be
[04:40] <bddebian> 93?  Hell I was already 23 by then.. :'-(
[04:41] <imbrandon> yea i was an IRCop on stratics irc network back then ( 95/96ish )
[04:41] <imbrandon> hahaha
[04:41] <imbrandon> hrm in 93 i was a freshman in HS ;)
[04:41] <tseng> lamont looked at the DOB on my passport on our way back to the US
[04:41] <tseng> mumbled something about a bunch of kids
[04:42] <imbrandon> lol
[04:42] <bmonty> bddebian: I think geratrics can still be tried for assualt and battery
[04:43] <bmonty> s/geratrics/geriatrics
[04:43] <imbrandon> bout the only thing i got left from those days is my low ICQ number and "eagle" username on sf.net becouse i'm too lazy to get a new one
[04:44] <bddebian> bmonty: Yeah but we get minimum security.. :-)
[04:44] <bmonty> I remember getting yelled at by the sys admin at my school because the IRC client I was using took up too much processor time
[04:44] <LaserJock> lol
[04:44] <bmonty> ..or maybe that was a MUD client....hmmm, something like that
[04:45] <imbrandon> funny enough my wife ( not at the time ) gave me that name "Eagle" , LaserJock you know shes native right, and "Eagle" is short for "Walking Eagle, too full of sh*t to fly"
[04:45] <LaserJock> lol
[04:45] <imbrandon> ;P
[04:45] <bmonty> bddebian: I don't think you can collect social security in prison
[04:46] <imbrandon> hahaha
[04:46] <bddebian> Doh :-(
[04:46] <LaserJock> don't worry, he isn't getting any anyway
[04:46] <bddebian> imbrandon: That's funny (Eagle)
[04:46] <bddebian> LaserJock: Haha, good point
[04:46] <bmonty> LaserJock: neither are we
[04:46] <LaserJock> I gave up on that a long time ago
[04:46] <LaserJock> and I'm only 24
[04:46] <bmonty> smart man
[04:47] <bmonty> its just another tax as far as I'm concerned
[04:47] <imbrandon> yea even if we did get SS it would be like 5$ a month
[04:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:47] <bmonty> imbrandon: or the equivalent in the future...for bddebian, it might be worth a little more
[04:47] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:50] <LaserJock> that's why I'm throwing all my chips in for getting the Nobel in Chemistry
[04:50] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:51] <bddebian> Bunch o' freakin' whippersnappers
[04:51] <imbrandon> heh
[04:52] <imbrandon> ahh finaly found an old refrence to "Eagle" heh 2002 http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/mono-list/2002-June/006186.html
[04:52] <imbrandon> that was about the time i was ditching it becouse it was hard to google for
[04:53] <imbrandon> its sad when the things you do online are goverened by if they are easy to grep^Wgoogle for
[04:53] <imbrandon> lol
[04:54] <bddebian> heh
[04:55] <LaserJock> hmm, there are a lot of laserjocks out there
[04:56] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:57] <LaserJock> I guess that is a good thing
[04:59] <bmonty> night everyone
[04:59] <imbrandon> gnight bmonty
[05:00] <tseng> imbrandon: so why arent you fixing mono bugs in ubuntu ? :)
[05:01] <bddebian> Yeah
[05:01] <bddebian> Gnight bmonty_away
[05:04] <imbrandon> tseng: tbh just lazyness hehe i'll probably get back to it someday
[05:04] <tseng> imbrandon: ok.
[05:05] <imbrandon> bddebian: shush ;)
[05:05] <LaserJock> bddebian: I think I must be both
[05:05] <bddebian> LaserJock: Oh BS
[05:05] <tseng> I am all three
[05:05] <bddebian> You are Mr. Laser guy
[05:05] <bddebian> tseng: 3?
[05:05] <imbrandon> heheh
[05:06] <imbrandon> is that kinda like personal one "i'm tired" person two " me too " and person three ( blonde ) " me 3 " ?
[05:06] <imbrandon> heh
[05:06] <tseng> kinda
[05:06] <tseng> but my battery light is flashing
[05:06] <tseng> thats a sign to go to bed
[05:06] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:07] <bddebian> Ack
[05:07] <tseng> bye.
[05:07] <bddebian> Gnight tseng
[05:07] <imbrandon> gngiht man
[05:07] <imbrandon> gnight*
[05:08] <LaserJock> cya tseng
[05:08] <imbrandon> hrm anyone semi familiar with wget
[05:09] <bddebian> Somewhat
[05:09] <imbrandon> so i can be lazy and not read the man LOL
[05:09] <LaserJock> wget <thing you want to get>
[05:09] <imbrandon> what woudl be the command line options to download the irc logs all in one shot from fabianone
[05:09] <imbrandon> wget *.html only grabs the index heh
[05:10] <LaserJock> yeah, html is tough that way
[05:10] <imbrandon> or another easy^simple way
[05:10] <LaserJock> with ftp you can do the * stuff
[05:10] <imbrandon> yea i noticed
[05:10] <imbrandon> but i dont think there is an ftp interface to the logs
[05:10] <imbrandon> hrm i wounder if rsync would work
[05:11] <bddebian> Yeah, wget doesn't handle regexp / multiple files very well :-(
[05:12] <imbrandon> ;(
[05:12] <imbrandon> ok one last stupid question i should already know and/or ask in #ubuntu but you guys rock lol is ....
[05:13] <imbrandon> how can i tell from a script if a process is running
[05:13] <imbrandon> so i dont start it twice via cron
[05:13] <imbrandon> test -x /blah works with files only right ?
[05:14] <imbrandon> i guess the "wrong" way would be to have the script create a file and then when done delete the file , and when its run test for the file and ext if the file exists
[05:14] <imbrandon> but there should be a simpler way
[05:14] <imbrandon> s/ext/exit
[05:17] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Maybe pidof will do what you want?
[05:18] <imbrandon> pidof? hrm ok i'll google that
[05:18] <TheMuso> man pidof
[05:18] <imbrandon> or man ;)
[05:20] <imbrandon> ahhh yea looks like exactly what i want , thanks TheMuso
[05:20] <TheMuso> welcome
[06:03] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:14] <Hobbsee> hi all
[06:23] <Amaranth> i can't triage bugs i own?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: not unless you're part of -qa
[06:24] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: what did you want changed where?
[06:24] <Amaranth> it's not important
[06:24] <Amaranth> just want to set the severity of an alacarte but to whatever one above wishlist is
[06:25] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: bug #?
[06:25] <Amaranth> bug 54748
[06:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54748 in alacarte "Browse dialog doesn't escape spaces in command path" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54748
[06:25] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: if you've been triaging bugs for a while, you're welcome to apply to join the ubuntu-qa team
[06:26] <Amaranth> heh
[06:26] <Amaranth> i don't have time
[06:26] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: well, no, that's what they say
[06:26] <Amaranth> i just want to let him know that i won't be able to get to this for a bit because it's not a huge thing
[06:26] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: what do you want it as?  wishlist?
[06:26] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: or low?
[06:26] <Amaranth> low
[06:26] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: done :)
[06:27] <Amaranth> thanks
[06:27] <Amaranth> it's kind of broken that i can't change all aspect of a bug i own
[06:27] <TheMuso> Amaranth: It was actually changed like that for a reason.
[06:27] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: was to stop people assigning $mypetbugaboutscreensaversorsomething as high priority
[06:28] <Amaranth> Random people can take ownership of a bug and max it out?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: anyone can take ownership of a bug.  they just cant change the priority
[06:29] <Amaranth> I meant before that change. )
[06:29] <Amaranth> err, :)
[06:30] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: ah
[07:35] <imbrandon> crimsun: ping
[07:36] <crimsun> imbrandon: pong
[07:39] <imbrandon> crimsun: about the upstream version of apt-mirror , i'm getting my patches togather for it right now to upload to ubuntu i know the policy is -0ubuntu2 but fixing the upstream version if there is no upstreeam can i bump it to 4.5 ?
[07:39] <imbrandon> and make it a native package ?
[07:39] <imbrandon> or ummm you know what i'm getting at
[07:39] <crimsun> imbrandon: I'd keep the current nomenclature until you hear back from the original maintainer
[07:40] <imbrandon> ok
[07:40] <imbrandon> err i guess -2ubuntu2 heh
[07:40] <imbrandon> in this case but yea
[07:57] <FunnyLookinHat> Ahh crap, just got back from being gone for the past three days and I missed a ping in here along the way, haha
[08:32] <dholbach> good morning
[08:32] <ajmitch> morning daniel
[08:32] <dholbach> hey Andrew
[08:33] <imbrandon> moins guys
[08:36] <ajmitch> we need to clean up a few bugs assigned to motureviewers
[08:37] <dholbach> that sounds like a very good plan
[08:37] <ajmitch> found a few that don't apply to edgy now
[08:38] <ajmitch> ah, someone made libcm packages
[08:39] <ajmitch> a shame I hadn't uploaded mine before they went to the effort
[08:40] <dholbach> didn't we have libcm packages in dapper too?
[08:40] <ajmitch> yes
[08:40] <ajmitch> old & out of date
[08:40] <dholbach> ah ok
[08:40] <ajmitch> can't build metacity with them
[08:41] <dholbach> maybe you can talk to rodarvus about it?
[08:41] <ajmitch> the packages this person supplied would have needed fixing anyway
[08:41] <ajmitch> sure I can, but it's a lib on GNOME CVS
[08:41] <dholbach> ah, I didn't know
[08:41] <ajmitch> metacity is the only user I know of
[08:43] <ajmitch> bugs like 6004, I'd leave to slomo_
[08:47] <ajmitch> well, 28 open bugs for motureviewers
[08:47] <ajmitch> I'm sure a few of them are still valid :)
[08:51] <Toadstool> good morning
[08:51] <ajmitch> morning Toadstool
[08:52] <Toadstool> hi ajmitch
[08:52] <Hobbsee> hi Toadstool
[08:52] <Toadstool> hey Hobbsee
[08:53] <ajmitch> hi viviersf
[08:54] <viviersf> loa ajmitch
[08:54] <viviersf> how u
[08:55] <ajmitch> alright
[08:55] <viviersf> kewl
[08:59] <ajmitch> lp going down for maintenance soon, perfect time for me to go & get some dinner
[12:01] <pmjdebruijn> lo
[12:01] <pmjdebruijn> can somebody tell me what is obviously silly about this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19374 ?
[12:03] <ajmitch> pmjdebruijn: missing #!/bin/sh
[12:09] <pmjdebruijn> ajmitch, huh? the debhelper generated ones, don't have that either?
[12:09] <pmjdebruijn> so I assumed that wasn't nessecary, anyway I'll try
[12:17] <phanatic> hello everyone
[01:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i should be there, as i'm going for core.
[01:51] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, yay \o/
[01:52] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: :)
[01:52] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: want to cheer for me
[01:52] <Hobbsee> ?
[01:52] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: ;P
[01:52] <ajmitch> ah, you did decide to go for it already
[01:52] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, sure, if you cheer for me too ;)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: quite possibly, yes.
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: hehe
[01:53] <ajmitch> there's no 'possibly' about it, if you've hit the join team link, as I see you have
[01:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: :P
[01:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: well, i say possibly, so you cant outright disapprove
[01:54] <imbrandon> heh
[01:54] <ajmitch> you think I disapprove?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i know you did with MOTU
[01:56] <ajmitch> no, I didn't
[01:56] <tseng> me too
[01:56] <tseng> no more aussies
[01:56] <tseng> with your funny time zones
[01:56] <Hobbsee> tseng: hehe.  it's not my fault that you're living in the past
[02:27] <pmjdebruijn> ajmitch, thanks, the preinst and postrm scripts now work!
[03:28] <frandavid100> hiya!
[03:28] <frandavid100> I'm reading through the packaging guide
[03:29] <frandavid100> trying to create a changelog, but I'm rather clueless
[03:29] <frandavid100> could someone give me a hand?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> frandavid100: to create a changelog, or edit it?
[03:29] <phanatic> frandavid100: are you using dh_make?
[03:31] <frandavid100> don't even know what it is... I'm just creating the changelog from scratch
[03:31] <frandavid100> I'm following this http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html
[03:32] <frandavid100> there's a template for the changelog:
[03:32] <frandavid100> package (version) distribution; urgency=urgency    * change details     more change details   * even more change details  -- maintainer name <email address>[two spaces]   date
[03:32] <frandavid100> guess package (version) would be tsaver 0.4
[03:33] <frandavid100> edgy urgency=low
[03:33] <frandavid100> can't say any change details because the package is not in the repos
[03:34] <phanatic> the best would be to have a look at a _real_ changelog file. get a package source from the archives with apt-get source
[03:35] <frandavid100> I'm having a look at hello's
[03:36] <frandavid100> the program's name is timesaver
[03:36] <frandavid100> but the package's is tsaver
[03:36] <frandavid100> which one should I use? tsaver?
[03:36] <phanatic> i think yes
[03:37] <frandavid100> right
[03:39] <frandavid100> So it looks like this
[03:39] <frandavid100> tsaver (0.4) unstable; urgency=low
[03:39] <frandavid100>  -- David Prieto <frandavid100@gmail.com>  Tue,  1 Aug 2006 15:38:51 +0200
[03:41] <Amaranth> frandavid100: s/unstable/edgy/
[03:41] <Amaranth> and you have to have some bullet points in there
[03:41] <Amaranth> even if it's just "* Initial package." or something
[03:41] <frandavid100> those are for the changelog right?
[03:42] <frandavid100> 'K
[03:42] <azeem> hi Barry
[03:42] <frandavid100> I'm with the control file now
[03:42] <bddebian> Hey azeem
[03:42] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:43] <frandavid100> how can I know what section this particular program is in?
[03:43] <frandavid100> or the priority for that matter
[03:43] <Yagisan> frandavid100, priority is always low.
[03:44] <frandavid100> aha
[03:44] <Amaranth> indeed, we don't use that part
[03:44] <Amaranth> i think that's only used in debian to hurry something from unstable to testing
[03:45] <Yagisan> Amaranth, and if we did, it's only changed on security/rc bugs
[03:45] <frandavid100> so I can leave it like this?
[03:45] <frandavid100> Source: tsaver
[03:45] <frandavid100> Section: devel
[03:45] <Yagisan> frandavid100, section is easy. what section are similar apps ?
[03:45] <frandavid100> Priority: low
[03:46] <frandavid100> no idea... don't know what sections are there
[03:46] <frandavid100> office maybe?
[03:47] <Yagisan> frandavid100, in the *control* file use priority optional or priority extra
[03:47] <frandavid100> right
[03:48] <Yagisan> frandavid100, and in the changelog urgency is always low
[03:48] <frandavid100> Maintainer: David Prieto <frandavid100@gmail.com>
[03:48] <frandavid100> Standards-Version: 0.4
[03:48] <frandavid100> Package: tsaver
[03:48] <frandavid100> Architecture: any (?)
[03:48] <Yagisan> frandavid100, perhaps a pastebin would help ?
[03:49] <frandavid100> sorry... I don't know what a pastebin is :S
[03:49] <frandavid100> I'm a total noob you see
[03:50] <frandavid100> anyway... Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}
[03:50] <frandavid100> and... Description: (I took the one from Gnomefiles)
[03:51] <frandavid100> would this be a compliant control file?
[03:52] <Yagisan> frandavid100, this is a pastebin http://rafb.net/paste/
[03:52] <frandavid100> just noticed the standards version was wrong... corrected it
[03:53] <frandavid100> oh... that ay I can paste the text there you mean... didn't know it even existed
[03:54] <frandavid100> thanks for pointing me to it
[03:54] <Yagisan> np
[03:54] <frandavid100> so, here it is http://rafb.net/paste/results/ViOcSd47.html
[03:54] <frandavid100> is that valid?
[03:56] <frandavid100> and... any way to find out what the architecture is?
[03:58] <Amaranth> any means it'll work on any of the archs ubuntu builds on, all means it doesn't need a recompile for different arches (python programs, shell scripts, doc files, etc)
[03:59] <frandavid100> well any way to know where it will work?
[04:00] <Amaranth> put it as any and hope for the best
[04:01] <frandavid100> right
[04:01] <frandavid100> I'm on the copyright part
[04:01] <Amaranth> there aren't too many packages that aren't any unless they're binary blobs
[04:01] <frandavid100> do you guys really use this part?
[04:01] <Amaranth> you mean the copyright file? it's important
[04:02] <frandavid100> where do you get the info to fill Copyright (C) {Year(s)} by {Author(s)} {Email address(es)}
[04:02] <frandavid100> ?
[04:02] <Yagisan> frandavid100, from the source
[04:03] <frandavid100> should there be a copyright file in the source?
[04:04] <frandavid100> I got one called authors
[04:04] <frandavid100> contains the author's name and address
[04:04] <frandavid100> nothing about copyright
[04:06] <azeem> there must be a debian/copyright, yes
[04:06] <azeem> eh
[04:06] <azeem> frandavid100: check the source files then for copyright boilerplate
[04:06] <azeem> usually the AUTHORS also hold the copyright
[04:07] <frandavid100> yep
[04:09] <frandavid100> http://rafb.net/paste/results/o3UaHT99.html
[04:09] <frandavid100> is this correct, or maybe should I take out the part starting with "preamble"?
[04:10] <azeem> you don't need to duplicate the full GPL in debian/copyright, point to common-licenses
[04:11] <frandavid100> how would it look it like, then?
[04:11] <azeem> just see any other GPL'd package
[04:11] <frandavid100> aham
[04:14] <frandavid100> nex item... do you create the rules file manually?
[04:14] <frandavid100> there's a lot of stuff I don't know there
[04:15] <azeem> dh-make creates a templates/skeleton
[04:15] <azeem> or you could adopt another packages' rules file
[04:15] <frandavid100> that's cool
[04:15] <azeem> don't run dh-make now, or it will overwrite your other files
[04:16] <frandavid100> I think I'll take the dh-make method... as long as it's explained later on the guide!
[04:16] <azeem> like debian/copyright
[04:16] <frandavid100> hm
[04:16] <frandavid100> could just move them somewhere else
[04:16] <azeem> well, make a backup of your debian/ tree
[04:18] <frandavid100> dh-make doesn't seem to be a valid command tho... and I'd swear I have it installed
[04:19] <frandavid100> yep I do
[04:19] <bddebian>  dh_make
[04:19] <frandavid100> what's the right command then?
[04:19] <frandavid100> oh
[04:19] <frandavid100> right
[04:31] <frandavid100> it's much easier with dh-make :)
[04:36] <frandavid100> I tried to build it... but got an error :8
[04:36] <frandavid100> :(
[04:36] <frandavid100> http://rafb.net/paste/results/JkyArx68.html
[04:37] <phanatic> frandavid100: could you also paste the appropriate file? (debian/control)
[04:38] <frandavid100> sure
[04:38] <frandavid100> http://rafb.net/paste/results/LQq1nO27.html
[04:38] <frandavid100> here you are
[04:40] <phanatic> frandavid100: all lines in the long description should begin with a space
[04:44] <frandavid100> like this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/FLring45.html
[04:45] <frandavid100> but I keep getting the same error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BWeiUN19.html
[04:48] <geser> delete line 12 and insert in line 19 and 25 a "."
[04:49] <geser> you can't have emtpy lines
[04:50] <frandavid100> right I think it worked now :D
[04:50] <frandavid100> so... no empty lines, space to begin each, . at the start of a paragraph
[04:52] <frandavid100> http://rafb.net/paste/results/KLMdJZ87.html
[04:52] <frandavid100> but I'm still getting the error part
[04:55] <geser> I've I understand it correctly (it's spanish?) it complains it couldn't find the target clean in the Makefile
[04:57] <frandavid100> yes it's spanish... the exact translation would be "there's no rule to build the `clean' target. Stop.
[05:15] <bddebian> Holy crap, how did my karma get to ~400,000????
[05:15] <FunnyLookinHat> bddebian, don't ask, just take it and be like " I AM YOUR UBUNTU MASTER "
[05:16] <tseng> Bug Management  398463
[05:16] <tseng> you filed several bugs a day
[05:16] <tseng> apperantly
[05:16] <tseng> 32674
[05:16] <tseng> my points are way up as well
[05:16] <bddebian> Oh, the sync requests, how lame :-)
[05:17] <tseng> but I rarely go in and clean up bugs
[05:17] <tseng> so not that high :)
[05:17] <tseng> I should clean up beagle bugs
[05:17] <tseng> most of them are so bad
[05:17] <tseng> I wish people could judge what bugs belong upstream
[05:18] <bddebian> Aye
[05:45] <Spec> Where should python service 'foobar' be placed in the filesystem via .deb? not /usr/local ?
[05:47] <azeem> nothing should be places under /usr/local in a .deb
[05:47] <azeem> s/places/placed/
[05:47] <Spec> so where should it be placed?
[05:47] <Spec> it's a little webserver
[05:48] <azeem> where under /usr/local would it have been placed?
[05:48] <phanatic> Spec: /usr/sbin maybe
[05:48] <Spec> well, it relies on stuff that's in the folder it sits in
[05:48] <phanatic> if it's a simple script
[05:48] <Spec> nope, not just a simple script :-/
[05:48] <azeem> Spec: that doesn't sound right
[05:48] <phanatic> then it should be rewritten :)
[05:49] <Spec> i didn't write it :p
[05:49] <azeem> so don't package it :)
[05:49] <Spec> someone else asked me to package it as a favour
[05:50] <Spec> maybe i'll package it into /usr/local and violate debian policy ^.^
[05:51] <azeem> as long as you don't plan to upload it anywhere, that'sfine
[05:51] <Spec> well, my own apt server.
[06:11] <hub> dholbach: I need an advocate for hugin 0.6 that is on REVU, so that I can upload it to edgy now that the licensing has bee fixed.
[06:13] <dholbach> hub: hm, does nobody else have a bit of time? :(
[06:13] <hub> ah well whoever else
[06:13] <hub> the package had alreayd been approved
[06:14] <hub> but the upload got rejected due to licensing issues
[06:14] <hub> said licensing has been addressed upstream
[06:17] <hub> dholbach: or shall I raise the topic about more efficient reviewing on the motu mailing list?
[06:18] <dholbach> Yes, I think that's a good idea.
[06:18] <dholbach> In the end it's all about people doing it, but if we can simplify things (maybe technically), we probably should.
[06:19] <hub> like the motu tools, I still don't see a reference anywhere
[06:19] <hub> lot of things can be automated
[06:20] <dholbach> maybe, yes
[06:53] <lucas> is there a page listing stuff that a newcomer to ubuntu development should/could do ?
[06:53] <aa_> hello
[06:54] <aa_> what should I do about: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pida/+bug/42882 before the same thing happens with edgy?
[06:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42882 in pida "PIDA version in dapper is very old" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[06:54] <lucas> aa_: become an ubuntu dev and fix it yourself ;p
[06:54] <ogra> lucas, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources ?
[06:55] <aa_> lucas: well, I wrote the application
[06:55] <aa_> lucas: also debian has a newer application
[06:55] <aa_> isn't there some magical thing involved?
[06:56] <bddebian> If Debian's is newer it will come over in Edgy
[06:56] <aa_> promise?
[06:56] <bddebian> I promise nothing :-)
[06:56] <aa_> hehehe
[06:56] <phanatic> bddebian: it has to be merged i think
[06:57] <aa_> can someone please merge it?
[06:57] <bddebian> Ah yes, it's on the Merges list, I'll check it out
[06:57] <aa_> it is really bad for my applicaiton
[06:57] <bddebian> If dholbach doesn't mind
[06:57] <aa_> and I keep getting the same bug reports
[06:57] <aa_> bddebian: wow thanks
[06:57] <ogra> aa_, i'm a fan of pida, so let me make that promise ... it will be updated in edgy ;)
[06:57] <aa_> ogra: wow, thanks!
[06:57] <dholbach> bddebian: why me?
[06:57] <ogra> ah, bddebian cares already :)
[06:58] <bddebian> dholbach: You uploaded last :-)
[06:58] <aa_> well, then thank-you for your assurances, and have a nice day :)
[06:58] <dholbach> bddebian: pffft - go ahead :-)))
[06:58] <bddebian> OK
[06:58] <ogra> aa_, if thats done you could ask for a backport to dapper ;) just file a bug then and assign it to the backports team
[07:00] <bddebian> pbuilding now
[07:02] <bddebian> Doh, bashisms in Debian/rules... :-)
[07:02] <ogra> heh
[07:02] <ogra> fix them :)
[07:02] <bddebian> rm debian/pida/usr/share/pida/{AUTHORS,CONTRIBUTORS,COPYING}
[07:05] <bddebian> Well you can always do !bin/bash :-)
[07:14] <bddebian> OK, pida uploaded
[07:16] <ogra> :)
[07:19] <bddebian> Any other requests, your highnesses? ;-)
[07:36] <bddebian> Heya Laser
[07:37] <bddebian> Err LaserJock
[07:37] <LaserJock> sorry
[07:37] <bddebian> For what?
[07:37] <LaserJock> half of me is away (still in bed_
[07:37] <bddebian> Hehe
[07:45] <LaserJock> holy moly, bzr's website got quite the face-lift
[07:54] <dholbach> holy cow, yes
[08:27] <LaserJock> hi Zdra_
[08:27] <Zdra_> :)
[08:28] <LaserJock> ok, so how are you building the source package and .deb?
[08:28] <Zdra_> I just run "debuild"
[08:29] <LaserJock> ok, you probably want to build it in 2 different steps, 1) build the source package with debuild -S and 2) build the .deb using pbuilder (or something similar)
[08:29] <frandavid100> hi again
[08:29] <LaserJock> what happens is if you just run debuild it uses your source directory to build the .deb and so it gets messed up with files from the build
[08:29] <LaserJock> hi frandavid100
[08:30] <cypher1> how do i include *.png files in the .deb.. when i did a pbuilder it packaged without the image files :(
[08:31] <Zdra_> LaserJock: ok I'll try that way and I think google can teach me enough to understand how it works :)
[08:31] <LaserJock> Zdra_: I think we can do a bit better than google
[08:31] <LaserJock> :-)
[08:32] <LaserJock> !packgingguide
[08:32] <ubotu> I know nothing about packgingguide - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:32] <bddebian> cypher1: Adding binary files to a package is difficult to impossible.  You are better off either using something like an xpm format or uuencoding the binary and then uudecoding it on build
[08:32] <LaserJock> dang it
[08:32] <bddebian> LaserJock: mopac7 looks like a sync.  Did you want/need anything with that before I ask for a sync?
[08:33] <LaserJock> !packaging
[08:33] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[08:33] <LaserJock> Zdra_: ^^
[08:33] <LaserJock> bddebian: nah, if it's a sync then sync it? it wasn't on my list?
[08:33] <Zdra_> LaserJock: thanks :)
[08:33] <cypher1> bddebian, sorry it is a .kbm file
[08:34] <cypher1> bddebian, also i did not understand you completely
[08:35] <LaserJock> cypher1: the problem is that the .diff.gz doesn't handle binary files
[08:35] <LaserJock> so you can include a source (like svg) or a non-binary image (like an .xpm)
[08:36] <LaserJock> or you can use uuencode and uudecode to turn the binary into ASCII
[08:36] <LaserJock> and back
[08:36] <allo> hello!
[08:36] <LaserJock> hello!
[08:37] <frandavid100> can someone please take a look at http://pastebin.ca/110484?
[08:37] <LaserJock> Zdra_: if you have any problems with the Packaging Guide let me know.
[08:37] <frandavid100> It's what I get when I try to sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc --with-wx-config
[08:38] <LaserJock> are you build deping on wx?
[08:38] <LaserJock> hmm, doesn't look like it
[08:38] <allo> does someone want to have a look at the klik package? it now works fine for me. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2823
[08:38] <bddebian> LaserJock: Ah, OK
[08:38] <LaserJock> bddebian: ah ok, what?
[08:38] <Zdra_> LaserJock: ok, I don't need advanced things, just compile a package to easily test my patches :)
[08:40] <bddebian> LaserJock: Ah, OK, I'll request a sync :-)
[08:40] <bddebian> bbiam
[08:41] <LaserJock> Zdra_: ok, check out the pbuilder section (https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gs-pbuilder.html)
[08:41] <allo> btw: why does loopmounting not work in the edgy livecd? so i cannot test the package on the livecd :-(
[08:41] <LaserJock> Zdra_: once you have a pbuilder set up, you use it to build the .deb
[08:42] <Gloubiboulga> frandavid100, you need to build depend on wxwidget
[08:42] <frandavid100> how could I do that?
[08:43] <LaserJock> Zdra_: so 1) make changes 2) rebuild source package with debuild -S -us -uc 3) build .deb with sudo pbuilder build <newpackage>.dsc
[08:43] <LaserJock> Zdra_: does that make sense?
[08:43] <crimsun> (adding libwxgtk2.6-dev)
[08:43] <frandavid100> I have to install that on my system?
[08:43] <LaserJock> no
[08:43] <Gloubiboulga> frandavid100, in debian/control, you need to add 'libwxgtk2.6-dev' to the Build-Depends: line
[08:44] <frandavid100> oh right
[08:44] <frandavid100> silly me :S
[08:44] <Gloubiboulga> thanks crimsun :)
[08:44] <crimsun> (np)
[08:44] <cypher1> LaserJock, sorry how do i add to source ? is it by editing debian/control file ?
[08:45] <Zdra_> LaserJock: I'm testing ...
[08:45] <LaserJock> cypher1: what do you want to add?
[08:45] <cypher1> i have a file with extension .kbm
[08:46] <cypher1> LaserJock, i want some files like that also to be included in the .deb.. which is not happening now
[08:46] <frandavid100> I did it... Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), autotools-dev, libwxgtk2.6-dev
[08:46] <frandavid100> but I keep getting the same error http://pastebin.ca/110500
[08:47] <LaserJock> frandavid100: did you rebuild the source package?
[08:47] <frandavid100> d'oh
[08:47] <frandavid100> no I didn't
[08:48] <LaserJock> cypher1: well, I've never heard of that format in particular
[08:49] <LaserJock> cypher1: but look at the man page for uuencode (and uudecode) which is in the sharutils package
[08:49] <cypher1> LaserJock, sorry for not being clear, i was building a game which uses files with those extensions.. which i guess contains some image data
[08:50] <LaserJock> cypher1: how many?
[08:50] <LaserJock> why do you need to put that in the packageing?
[08:50] <cypher1> LaserJock, i guess more than 5-6
[08:50] <cypher1> LaserJock, the binary reads those files during startup
[08:51] <LaserJock> but they aren't in the source?
[08:51] <LaserJock> the original tarball
[08:51] <cypher1> LaserJock, yes it is there
[08:51] <LaserJock> ok, then you confused me
[08:52] <cypher1> LaserJock, sorry
[08:52] <LaserJock> you have images in the .orig.tar.gz that aren't getting installed?
[08:52] <cypher1> LaserJock, that are getting in the .deb
[08:52] <cypher1> sorry that are not getting in the .deb
[08:52] <bddebian> re
[08:52] <LaserJock> cypher1: ok, thats totally different than what I was thinking, lol
[08:53] <cypher1> :)
[08:53] <LaserJock> does the package have a debian/install file?
[08:54] <cypher1> LaserJock, no
[08:54] <LaserJock> or <packagename>.install?
[08:55] <cypher1> i had just did a debuid -S for creating the debian directory but install or packaganame.install file is not there
[08:55] <frandavid100> LaserJock: I rebuilt the source but I still get the same:
[08:55] <frandavid100> http://pastebin.ca/110506 can you take a look?
[08:56] <LaserJock> cypher1: then use dh_install (read the man page for more info) in debian/rules if the package uses debhelper
[08:58] <cypher1> LaserJock, thanks let me read and try it
[09:05] <Toadstool> hey everybody
[09:05] <Gloubiboulga> hi Toadstool
[09:05] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool, Gloubiboulga
[09:05] <Toadstool> hi Gloubiboulga, bddebian
[09:05] <Toadstool> Gloubiboulga: ready? :)
[09:05] <Gloubiboulga> hi bddebian
[09:05] <Gloubiboulga> Toadstool, yep :)
[09:07] <LaserJock> tritium: hehe
[09:07] <tritium> heh
[09:07] <tritium> HOw are you, LaserJock ?
[09:07] <LaserJock> fine
[09:16] <cypher1> will it be a good idea if we plan for a lecture in packaging ?
[09:17] <cypher1> i think that will be useful for someone like me who is very new to packaging
[09:17] <omeow> There was one like a week ago.
[09:17] <cypher1> oops missed it
[09:18] <cypher1> where can i find the text of it ?
[09:18] <cypher1> i meant the URL
[09:18] <crimsun> you can also check the Packaging Guide.
[09:19] <cypher1> crimsun, yes but IMHO there are several things assumed there
[09:19] <cypher1> like i am just learning curve of what control, rules file is
[09:19] <LaserJock> cypher1: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School
[09:20] <zul> when is the next one?
[09:20] <LaserJock> I don't know if one has been planned
[09:20] <LaserJock> I would like to see one every week, but that might be a bit much
[09:22] <cypher1> LaserJock, thanks :) but wont the lectures be captured somewhere ?
[09:22] <LaserJock> yeah, you click on the link
[09:22] <cypher1> LaserJock, sorry ignore it.. just noticed
[09:23] <LaserJock> I'll also try to incorporate what I can into the Packaging Guide
[09:23] <cypher1> i am feeling effects of getting tired sorry
[09:28] <LaserJock> argg, a broken package was uploaded to -updates
[09:29] <Toadstool> nice...
[09:30] <LaserJock> it didn't take too long to get a bug report about it either ;-)
[09:30] <LaserJock> who can upload to -updates? only core-dev? or can a MOTU upload a Universe package?
[09:31] <Toadstool> hmm, I think we can and it's processed manually... but you'dbetter ask on -devel :)
[09:32] <LaserJock> well, I wonder if I should let the person who broke it, fix it
[09:32] <Toadstool> which package by the way?
[09:33] <LaserJock> matplotlib
[09:33] <Toadstool> yep, found the bug report ;)
[09:34] <LaserJock> I noticed it yesterday on my machine at home
[09:34] <LaserJock> the problem is he didn't adjust the deps on the other matplotlib binaries from ubuntu1 to ubuntu2
[09:36] <Toadstool> er, yeah :/
[09:36] <crimsun> -updates is open to ubuntu-dev but requires kamion/mdz approval; processing is manual
[09:37] <Toadstool> ok, good to know
[10:25] <crimsun> poor Gloubiboulga got caught in the crossfire :)
[10:25] <Gloubiboulga> indeed :)
[10:25] <Toadstool> yeah :)
[10:28] <Gloubiboulga> so quiet on #u-meeting... scarry
[10:29] <Toadstool> mdz must be preparing something really nasty :
[10:29] <Toadstool> :p
[10:30] <Gloubiboulga> yeah, run, run ;)
[10:30] <crimsun> congrats, Gloubiboulga!
[10:31] <Gloubiboulga> thanks :D
[10:31] <bddebian> On?
[10:31] <bddebian> Did I miss a freakin' meeting again?
[10:31] <crimsun> (core-dev)
[10:31] <bddebian> Oh sweet, congrats Gloubiboulga
[10:31] <Gloubiboulga> thanks bddebian :)
[10:38] <LaserJock> ack, is it over?
[10:39] <Gloubiboulga> nop, ubuntu-devs turn now
[10:40] <LaserJock> congrats Gloubiboulga
[10:40] <LaserJock> anybody else make core-dev?
[10:40] <Gloubiboulga> thanks Laser_away
[10:40] <Gloubiboulga> thanks LaserJock :)
[10:40] <crimsun> Sarah's not present, so I don't think so.
[10:41] <LaserJock> is azeem up ATM?
[10:41] <crimsun> yes.
[10:42] <ogra> LaserJock, cheer for him ;)
[10:43] <ogra> (if ou like indeed)
[10:45] <crimsun> bddebian: (the point you raise, while valid, isn't necessarily applicable to azeem)
[10:46] <bddebian> Why not?
[10:46] <crimsun> there's the entire issue of "predicting the future", for one.
[10:46] <crimsun> (besides, we're supposed to bolster his application, not sidetrack it.)
[10:47] <bddebian> All I am saying is there are policys that I don't even know and I live here
[10:54] <crimsun> today's TB is in a grilling mood, I see.
[10:54] <crimsun> must be the weather
[10:54] <Gloubiboulga> yep :/
[10:54] <LaserJock> interesting for sure
[10:54] <LaserJock> maybe they weren't properly bribed with large amounts of alcohol
[10:54] <bddebian> Yeah, glad I didn't ask for main again.. ;-P
[10:54] <Hobbsee> they were easy-ish last time.
[10:55] <Hobbsee> it's m#dz and mgj69?
[10:56] <Toadstool> hey Hobbsee!
[10:56] <Hobbsee> jhi Toadstool
[11:03] <Gloubiboulga> 1 hour to review 2 candidates... it's quite long
[11:03] <crimsun> congrats, azeem!
[11:03] <Toadstool> great! welcome, azeem :)
[11:03] <Gloubiboulga> welcome azeem :)
[11:03] <LaserJock> wahooooo!
[11:03] <azeem> thanks :)
[11:03] <LaserJock> oh dang, that means I will be his slave forever ;(
[11:04] <bddebian> W00t, congrats azeem
[11:04] <siretart> Gloubiboulga: congrats to you as well! :)
[11:04] <bddebian> LaserJock: :-)  Now I think I lost my job though.. :'-(
[11:04] <Toadstool> Gloubiboulga: maybe that's because he's always been here ;)
[11:04] <Gloubiboulga> thanks siretart :)
[11:04] <Gloubiboulga> Toadstool, yep, and really helpfull
[11:04] <Toadstool> indeed
[11:05] <LaserJock> azeem: btw, is it late there?
[11:06] <LaserJock> must be off to the pub already ;-)
[11:10] <Gloubiboulga> hm, I have to wake up in 5 hours, maybe it's time to go to bed :)
[11:10] <Gloubiboulga> see you!
[11:12] <allee> azeem: congrats too from me!
[11:14] <tseng> imbrandon: tough crowd :)
[11:15] <imbrandon> hehe yea
[11:15] <imbrandon> look so
[11:16] <tseng> its ok, mdz likes to be sure we arent getting people who arent committed
[11:16] <tseng> like me
[11:17] <Hobbsee> tseng: ouch.  is keybuk still around and voting?
[11:17] <tseng> Hobbsee: yes
[11:17] <Hobbsee> wish i could just bypass mdz :P
[11:17] <tseng> Hobbsee: you had petter step up
[11:17] <tseng> Hobbsee: you were passed by
[11:17] <LaserJock> tseng: was that "people who areen't committed like me"? ;-)
[11:17] <tseng> LaserJock: yes.
[11:17] <tseng> LaserJock: i suck
[11:17] <Hobbsee> tseng: yeah, so i saw.  i was very asleep
[11:18] <bddebian> Hobbsee: For what, I thought you were already an MOTU?  You going for main already?
[11:18] <crimsun> congrats, imbrandon!
[11:18] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yes
[11:18] <Hobbsee> tseng: uh oh, i must be tired :P
[11:18] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Holy crap, wow
[11:19] <bddebian> WOw, congrats imbrandon!
[11:19] <Hobbsee> bddebian: you've never seen how hard it is to get anything thru main?
[11:19] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Oh I have, that's part of the reason I tried to get in, but apparently I'm not good enough
[11:19] <LaserJock> imbrandon: wahoooo!
[11:19] <tseng> Hobbsee: is it?
[11:20] <imbrandon> whoo hoo
[11:20] <tseng> I think I was the first coredev approved by TB
[11:20] <imbrandon> thanks guys ( everyone ) for the kind words and cheering
[11:20] <LaserJock> heh
[11:22] <azeem> LaserJock: I was cleaning up the kitchen :)
[11:22] <azeem> 23:22 here
[11:23] <Hobbsee> tseng: very.  particularly on kde side, because most devs wont take it
[11:23] <LaserJock> azeem: I've got an updated gausssum ready to go for sid
[11:23] <azeem> yay
[11:23] <LaserJock> azeem: what's the best way of getting it to you?
[11:24] <azeem> point me to a source package
[11:24] <LaserJock> k
[11:24] <tseng> Hobbsee: sorry, not personal
[11:25] <Hobbsee> tseng: i realise that
[11:25] <Hobbsee> tseng: it's okay
[11:25] <tritium> FunnyLookinHat, bddebian: how the mythtv packaging coming?
[11:26] <LaserJock> azeem: I got an email today that a bug was filed because of the new python policy but I already packaged the fix ;-)
[11:26] <LaserJock> azeem: do I need to go back and put a Closes: in the changelog?
[11:27] <FunnyLookinHat> tritium, err...  I have been pulled away from it for the past week or so
[11:27] <LaserJock> wow, he got straight to the point there
[11:27] <tritium> FunnyLookinHat: anything I can do to help?
[11:27] <tseng> LaserJock: you should see him in person
[11:27] <azeem> LaserJock: that would be preferred, but you could also close it via -done
[11:28] <azeem> if it is too much hassle
[11:28] <bddebian> tritium: I'm waiting for libie something or other to come through NEW
[11:28] <bddebian> It's a build-dep
[11:28] <FunnyLookinHat> tritium, I'm pretty much on the right track and just need to figure out some odds and ends of package.  I've gotten it to compile fine and all  : )
[11:28] <LaserJock> azeem: well, it really just takes a sec to nano the changelog and rebuild the source package
[11:28] <tritium> FunnyLookinHat, bddebian:  okay, let me know if I can do anything.  Thanks!
[11:28] <crimsun> tritium: fixallmythtvbugskthx
[11:29] <tritium> crimsun: :)
[11:29] <azeem> LaserJock: then it's probably better, also if somebody is later looking at changelog
[11:30] <LaserJock> true
[11:30] <LaserJock> I was just annoyed because I just got everything all set
[11:30] <LaserJock> and I get a bug email about something I just fixed ;-)
[11:31] <azeem> LaserJock: well, that's extra points for ultra-fast bug fixing ;)
[11:31] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:32] <bddebian> FunnyLookinHat: Are you using Marillat's packages for mythtv?
[11:33] <tritium> bddebian: what are you starting from?
[11:34] <LaserJock> azeem: it's the 1.0.4-1 ( new upstream) package at http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/debian/
[11:35] <bddebian> tritium: My intent was to use Marillat's package but if FunnyLookinHat is working on it, I will back off
[11:36] <tritium> bddebian: no, that would be a bad thing!
[11:36] <bddebian> ?
[11:37] <tritium> To back off...
[11:37] <tritium> Work together :)
[11:37] <tseng> Hobbsee: dh_mkshlibs for future reference.
[11:37] <Hobbsee> tseng: ah...thanks
[11:38] <crimsun> or dh_makeshlibs(1) in Edgy
[11:38] <tseng> yes, spelling counts.
[11:38] <bddebian> tritium: Oh, there is plenty of other work to do :-)
[11:38] <LaserJock> yeah, that is still a confusing one to me. I sorta get it
[11:39] <tritium> bddebian: true
[11:44] <crimsun> (longest TB ever!)
[11:45] <LaserJock> really?
[11:45] <FunnyLookinHat> bddebian, marillat hasn't updated in a long time and he has no plans to, at least that's what he said when i emailed him
[11:45] <FunnyLookinHat> bddebian, my goal was to incorporate version .19 into multiverse
[11:46] <bddebian>  .19 is in debian-multimedia
[11:46] <FunnyLookinHat> ...
[11:46] <FunnyLookinHat> it wasn't 3 weeks ago, lol
[11:46] <bddebian> Let me make sure I'm not on crack, hang on
[11:47] <FunnyLookinHat> bddebian, then I vote for integrating the one that is already built, it just makes sense and follows how it was done in the psat
[11:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Ok
[11:47] <FunnyLookinHat> hah
[11:47] <tritium> bddebian: it there.  Ive seen it
[11:47] <bddebian> Yeah, 0.19-0.10
[11:48] <FunnyLookinHat> ok well in that case, i vote integrate.
[11:48] <tritium> Can we package it for ubuntu from his sources?
[11:48] <bddebian> But it needs libieFOO that is sitting in NEW
[11:48] <FunnyLookinHat> that's funny because I emailed Christian about a month ago and he said nothing about it...
[11:48] <tritium> getting 0.19 into edgy would rock
[11:49] <FunnyLookinHat> To package it from his sources would we just run dh_make with his source package unpacked?
[11:49] <FunnyLookinHat> (I'm still very new to the packaging techniques)
[11:49] <crimsun> be VERY carefully when importing from marillat.
[11:49] <bddebian> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=libie
[11:50] <crimsun> you'll essentially need to scour the entire packaging and make sure it aligns with Ubuntu's current scheme.
[11:50] <azeem> LaserJock: eh, uploaded, btw
[11:50] <tritium> crimsun: what are the nasties to look out for?
[11:50] <LaserJock> azeem: oh, thanks. awesome
[11:50] <tritium> policy violations?
[11:50] <FunnyLookinHat> maybe bddebian should handle this then.  I would rather not create more confusion with the project (as I seem to be doing)
[11:50] <crimsun> tritium: anything that involves stuff Ubuntu has had to repackage, like ffmpeg
[11:50] <bddebian> FunnyLookinHat: No, not at all
[11:51] <crimsun> FunnyLookinHat: it's easier for you guys to work together, seriously
[11:51] <tritium> crimsun: were these repacked for legal issues?
[11:51] <crimsun> and for other reasons
[11:52] <tritium> FunnyLookinHat: stick with it :)
[11:53] <FunnyLookinHat> heh ok, though now I am fairly lost as to what I should be doing
[11:53] <FunnyLookinHat> bddebian, if you find something you need me to do go ahead and email me (funnylookinhat@gmail.com) (i am afk on irc a lot)...  and maybe I can figure it out?
[11:54] <bddebian> Well, now crimsun has me worried :-)
[11:54] <FunnyLookinHat> well you just have to check the debian/copyright and dependencies for marillat stuff iirc
[11:55] <tritium> me too, bddebian ;)
[11:56] <lucas> hub: around ? weren't you the one talking about more efficient ways to work inside motu ?
[11:57] <lucas> the -meeting discussion [kubuntu devs failing to get their packages sponsored]  might interest you
[11:57] <Hobbsee> lucas: heh, yeah.
[12:00] <bddebian> Later folks
[12:04] <Kyral> Looks like more work to do lol
[12:04] <Kyral> First EasyChem and now GTKEdit
[12:05] <Kyral> Funny someone noticed my ancient ITP in Debian for GTKEdit, which I never fulfilled because the response was that "Its a GTK1 App and we are trying to get away from GTK1"
[12:06] <LaserJock> anybody here think motu-reviewers LP is working well?
[12:06] <Kyral> Though quite frankly, I'm half ready to orphan all my packages and leave the project