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HedgeMage | hi mhz | 01:10 |
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mhz | HedgeMage: hi there | 01:10 |
mhz | HedgeMage: can i ask you a favor? | 01:10 |
HedgeMage | mhz: ask away :) | 01:11 |
HedgeMage | what's up? | 01:11 |
mhz | I have no web connection at home now | 01:11 |
mhz | HedgeMage: I am currenetly using a cibercafe | 01:11 |
mhz | HedgeMage: so, I wont be able to be on tomorrows meeting | 01:11 |
mhz | (ciber is not open at 12 UTC) | 01:12 |
HedgeMage | mhz: np, I think it may get cancelled since I just found out the exact date and time today, and it never made it on to the fridge. | 01:12 |
mhz | HedgeMage: could you tell ogra and RichEd that I'll be "back" as sonn as possible? | 01:12 |
HedgeMage | np will do | 01:12 |
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HedgeMage | having problems with your net connection at home/work? | 01:13 |
mhz | thank you! | 01:13 |
mhz | nope | 01:13 |
mhz | just can't afford it so far :( | 01:13 |
HedgeMage | ahh | 01:13 |
HedgeMage | understood | 01:13 |
HedgeMage | I'd lend you some of mine but that would have to be one heck of a long cable... ;) | 01:14 |
mhz | hehehe, indeed | 01:14 |
mhz | I'll see if a neighbour lends me wifi access | 01:14 |
mhz | at least a couple of hours a day | 01:15 |
mhz | (mostly emails and IRC) | 01:15 |
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bddebian | Howdy | 02:44 |
Burgundavia | hey bddebian | 02:47 |
bddebian | Hi Burg | 02:49 |
bddebian | Err Burgundavia | 02:49 |
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Amaranth | yay, fixed it | 03:33 |
Amaranth | hacky fix | 03:34 |
Amaranth | had to chown willowng:willowng /usr/share/willowng because sqlite writes to a temp file then moves to the original DB file | 03:35 |
LaserJock | Amaranth: do you have a bzr/svn repo for alacarte? | 03:44 |
Amaranth | nope, just gnome cvs | 03:45 |
LaserJock | k | 03:45 |
Amaranth | ogra: http://dev.realistanew.com/releases/willowng/0.2/deb-src | 03:48 |
Amaranth | if it doesn't work i'll scream | 03:48 |
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pygi | morning | 10:53 |
Amaranth | morning | 11:04 |
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eniac_petrov | lunch :-) | 11:15 |
Amaranth | ogra: did you get the link to my source package? | 11:20 |
ogra | yes, sorry, havent had time to look yet ... there is a gnome-screensaver update for dapper i have to check first ... yours is next on my list | 11:21 |
Amaranth | alright | 11:21 |
Amaranth | just making sure it didn't get lost in the 8 hour or so gap :) | 11:22 |
ogra | nah | 11:22 |
ogra | i keep my baclogs ;) | 11:22 |
ogra | *backlogs | 11:22 |
Amaranth | the only thing i can think of that might be a problem is that i chown willowng:willowng /usr/share/willowng in the postinst | 11:23 |
ogra | that should be fine | 11:24 |
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ogra | at least i dont know a policy that forbids it | 11:24 |
Amaranth | alright | 11:25 |
Amaranth | that was a PITA :P | 11:25 |
juliux | hi ogra | 11:25 |
Amaranth | os.seteuid() != os.setuid() and sqlite writes to a temp file then moves to the db file on commit, took me days to figure those out | 11:25 |
juliux | ogra, do you have an idea why my request for cds are not approved? i have e-mailed marilize and she said yes yes you get the cds but nothing happens | 11:26 |
ogra | dunno, did you try to ask her in -devel ? | 11:26 |
juliux | not yet | 11:27 |
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Chipzz | Hi, I was told I could ask questions related to ltsp here | 11:36 |
Chipzz | I'm not exactly using ltsp, but a very similar setup (basically I have everything configured myself) | 11:37 |
Chipzz | I have pxelinux set up correctly, nfs on the server is working fine | 11:38 |
Chipzz | but when the client boots and starts executing the scripts in /etc/rcS.d/, stuff goes haywire | 11:38 |
Chipzz | specifically, something in S10udev makes / go away | 11:39 |
Chipzz | is there before udevplug, but after udevplug runs, it's just gone | 11:39 |
Chipzz | errr | 11:39 |
Chipzz | / is there before udevplug, but after udevplug runs, it's just gone | 11:39 |
ogra | what do you do with that setup ? | 11:41 |
Chipzz | basically starting X and running a pygtk program | 11:42 |
ogra | you could probably just use the ltsp setup and modify it ... thats in many cases easier than fiddling with our oen stuff | 11:42 |
ogra | on the netbooted client ? | 11:42 |
Chipzz | well I have most of the stuff set up correctly | 11:42 |
Chipzz | yes the pygtk app runs locally on the netbooted client :) | 11:42 |
ogra | thats exactly what we do in ltsp ... | 11:43 |
ogra | we start an X server and run ldm (pygtk based login manager) | 11:43 |
Chipzz | uhu, but ltsp-client depends on ldm | gdm | kdm , which is not what I want | 11:43 |
ogra | ltsp has the functionallity builtin to create the right tmpfs directorys where you need rw access ... | 11:44 |
ogra | or do you export your nfsroot rw ? | 11:44 |
Chipzz | nope, I export it ro | 11:44 |
ogra | if not there will be indeed probs with udev | 11:44 |
ogra | since it will need write access at a certain level ... other apps as well ... | 11:45 |
Chipzz | but the ltsp-client scripts run quite late in the rcS sequence? | 11:45 |
ogra | i'D really go with a default ltsp setup and then modify the chroot | 11:45 |
ogra | nope, the rc sequence is cleaned out by the chroot setup script ... | 11:45 |
Chipzz | can you just tell me what's needed to get udev working, or where to look? | 11:46 |
ogra | there are only a handfull rd scripts left | 11:46 |
ogra | *rc | 11:46 |
ogra | thats rather a question for keybuk ... i have no idea which directories need to be writable for udev ... | 11:46 |
Chipzz | this thing is allmost setup, I think it's 99% done or sth :P | 11:46 |
ogra | how did you create the chroot ? debootstrap ? | 11:47 |
Chipzz | nope, install on a disk with ubuntu-server install | 11:47 |
ogra | you could have a look at ltsp-build-client in the ltsp source | 11:47 |
Chipzz | allready did that :) | 11:47 |
ogra | thats our script that creates the chroot and makes the modifications to the dirs | 11:48 |
Chipzz | I also did most of the things that script runs | 11:48 |
Chipzz | I know :) | 11:48 |
ogra | make sure to have the tmpfs ready ... | 11:48 |
ogra | we use udev umodified in ltsp ... | 11:48 |
Chipzz | unmodified* ? | 11:48 |
ogra | so it must be your base setup where it goes wrong | 11:48 |
ogra | yep | 11:49 |
ogra | the defaulr ubuntu udev ... no tweaks or scripts | 11:49 |
ogra | *default | 11:49 |
Chipzz | yeah | 11:49 |
Chipzz | I actually tested the ubuntu-server install on a local disk in the client first, and that worked fine ;) | 11:49 |
Chipzz | one thing I do have is I have /tmp as a tmpfs in /etc/fstab | 11:50 |
Chipzz | but that's not mounted yet at the time udev runs in rcS | 11:50 |
ogra | initramfs should have it mounted ... | 11:51 |
Chipzz | ? | 11:51 |
ogra | did you do the tweaks to initramfs we do in ltsp-build-client ? | 11:51 |
Chipzz | hrrrrm, I should check that | 11:51 |
Chipzz | I tweaked the initrams with the 1 options, ie BOOT=nfs and MODULES=netboot | 11:52 |
ogra | there are some lines that modify initramfs.conf ... look for that | 11:52 |
Chipzz | s/1/2/ | 11:52 |
Chipzz | did that | 11:52 |
ogra | yeah | 11:52 |
Chipzz | also made the symlink /etc/mtab | 11:52 |
ogra | and regenerated the initramfs ? | 11:52 |
Chipzz | jup | 11:52 |
ogra | and copied it to tftpboot ... | 11:52 |
Chipzz | I had some trouble without those lines at first :) | 11:52 |
Chipzz | yup, did all that | 11:52 |
ogra | (also note that we aim to keep compatibility with debian, so some lines are valid for the in that scrip and some for us) | 11:53 |
Chipzz | actually I have my whole chroot in /var/lib/tftpboot | 11:53 |
ogra | and export that ? | 11:53 |
ogra | heh | 11:53 |
Chipzz | yes | 11:53 |
Chipzz | it's exported via nfs | 11:53 |
ogra | what des the error say you see on the screen ? | 11:54 |
ogra | do you get dropped into a busybox shell ? | 11:54 |
Chipzz | something about not being able to find usplash-write | 11:55 |
ogra | oh | 11:55 |
Chipzz | but there's nothing on / at all | 11:55 |
ogra | right, you did a server install :) | 11:55 |
Chipzz | yeah but installed usplash on the client too ;) | 11:55 |
ogra | so you are sure the nfs mount is definatelty working ? and you are not left in initramfs ? | 11:56 |
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Chipzz | I'm sure of that :) | 11:56 |
Chipzz | currently I have modified pxelinux to add init=/bin/bash, so I can debug the issue manually | 11:57 |
ogra | i'd really go with ltsp and add an lts.conf that starts your pygtk script instead of ldm ... | 11:59 |
Chipzz | I have sprinkled some 'ls /' in /etc/init.d/udev, and the last one to work is the one before udevplug | 11:59 |
ogra | instead of reimplementing ltsp by hand :) | 12:00 |
Chipzz | I suspect that somehow I would have the same problem with ltsp though ;) | 12:02 |
ogra | its a matter of 20min work ... | 12:02 |
ogra | why should you ? | 12:02 |
Chipzz | just a feeling | 12:02 |
Chipzz | so, anyway, I should ask keybuk? | 12:03 |
Chipzz | thing is, the chroot for the client is allready set up, and it would take more work to duplicate that again in the ltsp chroot | 12:03 |
Chipzz | but I'll check if the ltsp chroot boots later | 12:04 |
ogra | well, setting up a ltsp chroot if you have a dapper cd around is done in less than 10 min | 12:06 |
Chipzz | ogra: I already have a ltsp chroot set up ;) | 12:06 |
Chipzz | beside the chroot I had earlier | 12:06 |
ogra | creating a lts.conf is a matter of 1min ... and copying your pygtk script into the chroot os taking as long as the cp :) | 12:07 |
ogra | s/os/is/ | 12:07 |
ogra | so you should be dont in 20min max ... | 12:07 |
ogra | *done | 12:07 |
Chipzz | uhu, anyway, I currently do not have access to the client anyway (it's in a friends room who'se still asleep, so not much chance of doing anything about it now anyway) | 12:10 |
Chipzz | I guess my main gripe with ltsp-client is the Depends on 'ldm | sdm-terminal | x-display-manager' | 12:14 |
Chipzz | which pulls in a lot of stuff I don't need | 12:14 |
ogra | yes, it will install ldm (some kb) but you can avoid that its been used | 12:15 |
ogra | s/been/being/ | 12:15 |
ogra | and you need pygtk anyway ... all ldm pulls in alongside is the clearlooks engine and its deps ... its not really much | 12:16 |
ogra | and diskspace is cheap ... especially on diskless netbooting machines ;) | 12:16 |
Chipzz | *g* | 12:17 |
Chipzz | it's mostly a matter of principles | 12:18 |
Chipzz | I had the other install trimmed down a lot too | 12:18 |
Chipzz | removing unneeded packages etc | 12:18 |
ogra | you could just install sdm ;) | 12:18 |
ogra | it has no big dependencys | 12:18 |
Chipzz | yeah that would most likely be the best choice ;) | 12:19 |
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ogra | Depends: openssh-client | ssh-client | ssh, dash, xserver-xorg | 12:19 |
ogra | three deps only ... | 12:19 |
ogra | one is already there anyway | 12:19 |
ogra | err two | 12:19 |
Chipzz | yup I saw that :) | 12:19 |
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cbx33 | ping highvoltage | 12:45 |
cbx33 | hi guys | 12:46 |
cbx33 | how can I prevent my ubuntu from trying to access apt etc when I'm using a dial up connection? | 12:46 |
cbx33 | basically I don't want it to access the net work unless I ask it to | 12:46 |
cbx33 | it just wasted 80K of my 500K allowance for this month :( | 12:47 |
highvoltage | cbx33: pong, and i feel your pain, btw | 12:50 |
cbx33 | grr.... | 12:51 |
highvoltage | i usually have about 10MB per month. 500k is hectic | 12:51 |
cbx33 | i thought you'd have some clever way round it | 12:51 |
highvoltage | (although, i have more these days now that it's cheaper) | 12:51 |
cbx33 | If I update apt, it shouldn't try again should it? | 12:51 |
cbx33 | highvoltage: any luck on finding a SIM? | 12:51 |
highvoltage | on the boxes i dial up on, i have my updates completely disabled in /etc/apt/sources.list | 12:51 |
highvoltage | cbx33: yes | 12:51 |
cbx33 | highvoltage: that'll do it? | 12:52 |
highvoltage | yep | 12:52 |
highvoltage | update-manager can't update if it doesn't have somewhere to update from :) | 12:52 |
cbx33 | so you just comment out everything? | 12:52 |
highvoltage | i have one line in with my own repository, in which i store updates downloaded from another machine | 12:52 |
cbx33 | we need a GPRS mode for ubuntu | 12:53 |
highvoltage | but yes, you can comment out everything, then do an apt-get update | 12:53 |
highvoltage | it was pointed out at the summit too | 12:53 |
highvoltage | although it's quite an unsexy problem, so there doesn't seem to be many people interested in fixing it | 12:53 |
highvoltage | brb | 12:53 |
cbx33 | heheh | 12:53 |
cbx33 | bbl | 12:56 |
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pygi | hey RichEd | 01:15 |
RichEd | just got time for a hi pygi ... working hard today at head office :) | 01:16 |
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jsgotangco | good evening | 01:33 |
cbx33 | sorry highvoltage had to go home | 01:33 |
cbx33 | hey jsgotangco | 01:33 |
cbx33 | howz it going | 01:33 |
jsgotangco | hey cbx33 | 01:33 |
jsgotangco | pretty good | 01:33 |
cbx33 | :D | 01:33 |
jsgotangco | i had some sushi =) | 01:33 |
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pygi | cbx33, how's music= ;) | 01:33 |
jsgotangco | cbx33: you're missing a lot | 01:34 |
cbx33 | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds | 01:34 |
cbx33 | pygi, there are three more ideas | 01:34 |
jsgotangco | cbx33: but then i dunno how authentic sushi can be in that area | 01:34 |
cbx33 | some ideas came up on the mailing list | 01:34 |
cbx33 | so I guess I should try those out too | 01:34 |
cbx33 | jsgotangco, hehe | 01:34 |
Chipzz | cbx33: System -> Administration -> Software Sources | 01:37 |
Chipzz | you can disable automagically downloading new packages etc there | 01:37 |
pygi | Chipzz, he cant disable downloading security updates there tho =P | 01:38 |
pygi | well, he can, but he has to remove one package | 01:38 |
pygi | (me forgot how is it called) | 01:38 |
Chipzz | pygi: he can't? | 01:38 |
Chipzz | that's stupid | 01:38 |
pygi | Chipzz, I think he can't :) | 01:38 |
Chipzz | I'm sure he can | 01:38 |
Chipzz | thing is, I can't currently check, since I'm on edgy, and the GUI for that just changed the other day | 01:39 |
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cbx33 | ping highvoltage | 02:08 |
highvoltage | pong cbx33 | 02:09 |
cbx33 | pm | 02:09 |
highvoltage | k | 02:10 |
jsgotangco | do we have a meeting? | 02:18 |
cbx33 | it's 8UTC today isn't it? | 02:20 |
jsgotangco | yes | 02:20 |
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Chipzz | pygi: it seems you can disable it | 02:57 |
Chipzz | pygi: security updates is a seperate option, but only for installing without asking | 02:57 |
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bddebian | Hello | 04:07 |
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cbx33 | http://progbox.co.uk/ubuntu7-1.mp3 | 04:23 |
cbx33 | hi RichEd | 04:23 |
cbx33 | hi rodarvus | 04:23 |
rodarvus | hi cbx33 | 04:23 |
cbx33 | latest more "organic" " vivid" theme :p | 04:23 |
cbx33 | as per a request on the mailing list | 04:23 |
rodarvus | cbx33, I'm asking Jane to join #edubuntu | 04:23 |
cbx33 | ok cool | 04:23 |
rodarvus | conversation via msn is too confuse :) | 04:23 |
cbx33 | sorry rodarvus | 04:24 |
rodarvus | she asks me stuff and then pastes conversation between you two | 04:24 |
cbx33 | hehe | 04:24 |
rodarvus | much better if we talk here | 04:24 |
cbx33 | sorry dude | 04:24 |
rodarvus | cbx33, don't worry :) | 04:24 |
cbx33 | RichEd, how was the meeting? | 04:24 |
lucasvo | anybody can tell me how I can finish pending merges in bzr? | 04:26 |
cbx33 | lucasvo, i think you commit | 04:26 |
jsgotangco | hey rodarvus :) | 04:27 |
rodarvus | hey jsgotangco :) | 04:28 |
jsgotangco | rodarvus: como e voce? | 04:28 |
rodarvus | cbx33, I'll help Jane configure her irc client during her lunch time (in 30 minutes) | 04:29 |
rodarvus | jsgotangco, tudo bem, e voc? | 04:29 |
cbx33 | ok | 04:29 |
rodarvus | jsgotangco, you almost got it right - our "verb to be" is quite hard to get right | 04:29 |
rodarvus | (and hard to explain too) | 04:29 |
jsgotangco | yeah im struggling hah | 04:29 |
rodarvus | but the right is "como est voc" | 04:30 |
jsgotangco | im like trying to make some sense of the similar spanish words to no avail lol | 04:30 |
rodarvus | jsgotangco, are you really studying portuguese? | 04:30 |
jsgotangco | rodarvus: its an interest, for some reason i cannot explain | 04:31 |
rodarvus | well, it resembles spanish a little | 04:31 |
jsgotangco | rodarvus: hopefully its not because i grew up with my dad playing jazz samba all day when i was a kid | 04:31 |
rodarvus | sou = soy, = es, est = esta, estamos = estamos, etc | 04:31 |
rodarvus | I have great interest in sino-based languages | 04:32 |
rodarvus | but never got around to study them | 04:32 |
cbx33 | brb | 04:32 |
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jsgotangco | its probably because my native language has some spanish built-in so its a bit easier for me | 04:34 |
rodarvus | really? | 04:35 |
jsgotangco | sure, my middle name is Santos :) | 04:35 |
rodarvus | haha | 04:35 |
rodarvus | santos is portuguese! | 04:35 |
jsgotangco | my mom has foreign blood | 04:36 |
jsgotangco | but it is so diluted already lol | 04:36 |
ogra | j*s*gotangco :) | 04:36 |
jsgotangco | my surname is actually my grandfather's real name | 04:37 |
rodarvus | oh | 04:37 |
rodarvus | nice | 04:37 |
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highvoltage | Burgwork | 05:13 |
cbx33 | I'm back !!! :D | 05:36 |
Amaranth | ogra: get a chance to look at the package? | 06:18 |
ogra | Amaranth, not yet, but i romise i'll have it done before the meeting | 06:19 |
ogra | *promise | 06:19 |
Amaranth | alright | 06:19 |
Amaranth | that's in 4 hours, right? | 06:19 |
ogra | 20:00 UTC | 06:20 |
Amaranth | 3 1/2 hours, close enough :) | 06:21 |
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Petaris | In December 2004 Iceland's population totalled 293.577 people of which around 180.000 lived in the capital, Reykjavik, and surrounding areas. | 06:30 |
Petaris | The perfect place for someone who hates crowds | 06:30 |
Petaris | :) | 06:30 |
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LaserJock | depends on how big it is | 06:32 |
Petaris | big enough | 06:32 |
Petaris | The land of the free keeps loosing its freedoms | 06:33 |
Petaris | :/ | 06:33 |
LaserJock | Iceland's got to much volcanic activity for my taste | 06:33 |
Petaris | geo-thermal power though | 06:33 |
Petaris | good education system | 06:33 |
Petaris | good health care | 06:34 |
Petaris | no Bush | 06:34 |
rodarvus | Iceland is one of the places I'd like to live on, someday | 06:34 |
rodarvus | Iceland, Norway, Japan and China are my prime candidates | 06:34 |
LaserJock | my chemistry prof in undergrad hiked across Iceland once | 06:34 |
Petaris | Japan would be cool, but too crowded | 06:35 |
Petaris | Norway would be an option though | 06:35 |
Petaris | however with Iceland you can have dual citizenship | 06:35 |
Petaris | You can become an Icelandic citizen but still maintain your US citizenship | 06:36 |
Petaris | *just in case | 06:36 |
LaserJock | I think I'll stick to the US, and maybe New Zealand | 06:36 |
rodarvus | but actually, I don't think it is too easy for one to move to Iceland | 06:36 |
LaserJock | I'm still trying to recover from my first/last international experience | 06:36 |
rodarvus | (unless they have different policies, based on country you're from) | 06:37 |
rodarvus | LaserJock, why "last"? | 06:37 |
ogra | LaserJock, was it this shocking to meet us ? | 06:37 |
LaserJock | ogra: the people there were great | 06:38 |
rodarvus | yeah, I was wondering that too :P | 06:38 |
LaserJock | the French didn't treat me so well, though ;-) | 06:38 |
ogra | i mean, i know i scared elmo with my shorts ... :) | 06:38 |
LaserJock | hehe | 06:38 |
ogra | but i didnt know about others :) | 06:38 |
LaserJock | highvoltage and I just laughed | 06:39 |
rodarvus | you scared me with your shorts >:-) | 06:39 |
ogra | heh | 06:39 |
rodarvus | just kidding ;) | 06:39 |
highvoltage | LaserJock: how did you know? | 06:39 |
ogra | i promise i'll wear longer ones in wiesbaden | 06:39 |
LaserJock | nah, you should keep the trend | 06:39 |
=== ogra goes to carry his desk upstairs ... | ||
=== highvoltage sees now | ||
rodarvus | ogra, btw, how do you expect the weather to be in wiesdbaden in 20 days from now? | 06:40 |
LaserJock | I just watched a show on TV about a CEO that has been known to walk around in such atire | 06:40 |
rodarvus | (asking to plan clothes I'll take in my luggage) | 06:40 |
highvoltage | geez, i'm about 40 km's from johannesburg atm, and it's the coldest recordest day in Johannesburg ever | 06:40 |
highvoltage | it even snowed briefly | 06:40 |
highvoltage | (although i didn't see any of it) | 06:41 |
rodarvus | its quite cold in here too, about 7c | 06:41 |
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highvoltage | global warming my ass | 06:41 |
highvoltage | :) | 06:41 |
LaserJock | I think I just need to try it a few more times, I was just so thankful to get back to the US | 06:42 |
LaserJock | but a few more dev summits, who knows... | 06:43 |
highvoltage | heh | 06:43 |
LaserJock | if I can go a few times without loosing my laptop or wallet and I'll feel better | 06:43 |
highvoltage | i hope i'll make another dev summit | 06:43 |
Amaranth | highvoltage: we had more 100F days in july here than every before | 06:43 |
Amaranth | 100F is like 40C, i think | 06:44 |
highvoltage | i have to contribute some more first | 06:44 |
highvoltage | it's been real hectic work-wise | 06:44 |
highvoltage | Amaranth: wow | 06:44 |
highvoltage | Amaranth: we have a law here, that if it ever gets 40C, kids don't have to go to school that day | 06:44 |
LaserJock | Amaranth: where are you? | 06:44 |
highvoltage | i heard about that law the first day of school | 06:44 |
highvoltage | and i've watched the temprature every day during summer | 06:45 |
Amaranth | LaserJock: Iowa | 06:45 |
highvoltage | and the warmest it got was 38C once :( | 06:45 |
Amaranth | That's like the middle of the US | 06:45 |
LaserJock | Amaranth: ah yeah, we just got ride of the heat over here in NV | 06:45 |
=== cbx33 has just seen a first mock of a new edubuntu wallpaper :D | ||
Amaranth | yeah, it's only 79F right now | 06:46 |
cbx33 | Oh and check this out if you're interested in sounds - http://progbox.co.uk/ubuntu7-X-fade.mp3 | 06:46 |
LaserJock | Amaranth: we had ~104 for over a week at least | 06:46 |
Petaris | 72 F here | 06:46 |
cbx33 | hi LaserJock | 06:46 |
Amaranth | today the high is supposed to be about 20F lower than yesterday | 06:46 |
LaserJock | yeah | 06:46 |
Amaranth | LaserJock: we had 2 or 3 104F days in a row, a couple 90s before that, and then a couple 100s before that | 06:46 |
Amaranth | nasty heat | 06:46 |
LaserJock | yep | 06:47 |
Amaranth | yesterday was the worst, it rained in the morning so it was really humid | 06:47 |
Amaranth | like 80% relative humidity | 06:47 |
LaserJock | we ended up with a lot of fires, it was so hot and dry that we had big thunderstorms but the rain never made it to the ground | 06:47 |
LaserJock | only the lightning | 06:47 |
highvoltage | geez | 06:47 |
Amaranth | wow | 06:48 |
Amaranth | lots of fires in western nebraska | 06:48 |
cbx33 | rodarvus, did ya get anywhere with IRC? | 06:49 |
rodarvus | cbx33, yeah | 06:49 |
=== rodarvus introduces Janis | ||
cbx33 | ahh....I did wonder :p | 06:50 |
cbx33 | Hi Janis | 06:50 |
rodarvus | Janis is Jane Vita, my wife (and also an accomplished designer) | 06:50 |
LaserJock | ah, sweet | 06:50 |
LaserJock | hi Janis | 06:50 |
Amaranth | Janis: Welcome! | 06:50 |
rodarvus | Janis' english skills are a bit rusty, so please bear with us :) | 06:50 |
rodarvus | I'll try to help as much as possible | 06:51 |
rodarvus | but I'd like to see Janis working with AliasVegas (and whoever else might be interested) in Edubuntu artwork | 06:51 |
LaserJock | Janis: thanks for letting Rodrigo go to Paris, he was a lot of fun to hang out with :-) | 06:51 |
cbx33 | rodarvus, ah, they are already working together :p | 06:51 |
Amaranth | that reminds me, i'm supposed to poke AliasVegas about some icons | 06:51 |
cbx33 | oooh Amaranth poke me | 06:51 |
cbx33 | I'll let her know | 06:52 |
cbx33 | she's making a sandwich right now :p | 06:52 |
Amaranth | heh | 06:52 |
Amaranth | cbx33: I need an icon for WillowNG's config tool | 06:52 |
cbx33 | ok cool | 06:52 |
Amaranth | tangoish, if possible :) | 06:52 |
cbx33 | noted on her post its | 06:52 |
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Amaranth | cbx33: thanks | 06:53 |
Janis | hi... | 06:59 |
Janis | Laser Jock: rodarvus gave me no option | 07:00 |
Janis | hehe | 07:00 |
rodarvus | :) | 07:01 |
ogra | rodarvus, it got a bit colder (~20C atm) but i suspect it will be warm again in 20 days | 07:07 |
rodarvus | oh, thats sad news :/ | 07:07 |
ogra | not as hot as it was the last days though ... (above 35C) | 07:08 |
ogra | its quite unusual for germany that its that hot | 07:08 |
ogra | Hello Oliver, | 07:22 |
ogra | Was reading your use cases regarding LTSP dhcpd configuration. I know a | 07:22 |
ogra | few people like Fred. Let me know if I can help. | 07:22 |
ogra | Regards, | 07:22 |
ogra | LOL | 07:22 |
ogra | thats nice :) | 07:22 |
ogra | grmbl ... ltsp-build-client for edgy fails | 07:26 |
ogra | Err http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main xserver-xorg-video-chips 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu1 | 07:26 |
ogra | Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP: 82.211.81.182 80] | 07:26 |
ogra | evil thing ... | 07:26 |
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LaserJock | oh heah, EC meeting today, right? | 07:28 |
ogra | yup | 07:29 |
LaserJock | do we have any member candidates? | 07:30 |
cbx33 | hmmm | 07:30 |
=== cbx33 hasn't heard of any | ||
ogra | not on the agenda it seems | 07:31 |
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Yagisan | ? | 07:33 |
Yagisan | If I just turn up do I get membership ? | 07:33 |
LaserJock | no, we have to have some fun first | 07:34 |
Yagisan | oh ? | 07:35 |
Yagisan | um, I turn up, I'm "helpful". I shower daily. anything else ? | 07:35 |
LaserJock | yeah, what's the point of being on the Council if you can't grill people | 07:36 |
pygi | Yagisan, prepare wiki, apply on LP team, bla, bla | 07:36 |
jitj | Would anyone be able to describe how to use Edubuntu with Novell for students to get to their file shares and possibly authentication? I'm struggling with that part--setting up the clients has been relatively painless. | 07:38 |
ogra | Err http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main xserver-xorg-video-chips 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu1 | 07:41 |
ogra | Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] | 07:41 |
ogra | rodarvus !! | 07:41 |
ogra | whats up with that xserver ? | 07:41 |
rodarvus | you ask me? :) | 07:41 |
ogra | must be your fault :P | 07:41 |
rodarvus | haha | 07:41 |
ogra | grmbl, seems ltsp-build-client doesnt pick up the --dist parameter ... that should have been a dapper chroot | 07:42 |
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ogra | Yagisan, we need a wiki entry ... if the CC ever comes and asks on which base we approved you ad i just had a brain surgery i wont remember without it ... | 07:43 |
ogra | not that i often have brain surgeries or something :) | 07:43 |
Yagisan | np. I'll (when not half in dreamland) write a nice story for the wiki, that may or may not coincide with your reality, on why I'm an excellent candiate. | 07:45 |
ogra | just list your contributions ... no need for stories ;) | 07:46 |
Yagisan | ah, but there's a story behind each one ;) (usually a bug that bothered me, but still) | 07:47 |
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lucasvo | how comes that I am not subscribed to edubuntu-users list but still get the mails: | 08:27 |
lucasvo | Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. | 08:27 |
lucasvo | Post by non-member to a members-only list | 08:27 |
cbx33 | lucasvo, you havn't got some weird forwardng going on have you | 08:30 |
lucasvo | no | 08:31 |
lucasvo | I subscribed to -dev a long time ago before -users even existed | 08:32 |
lucasvo | but somehow it didn't autosubscribe me to -users | 08:32 |
lucasvo | even though I get the mails | 08:32 |
lucasvo | anyway just manually subscribing fixed it | 08:32 |
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LaserJock | ogra: you ever heard of squeakland? | 08:34 |
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ogra | nope | 08:37 |
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LaserJock | it's supposed to be educational squeak | 08:37 |
ogra_thin | meep meep | 08:37 |
cbx33 | ogra, if I wanted to talk about the new sounds I'm developing to the ubunut peeps | 08:37 |
LaserJock | and they have source packages | 08:37 |
ogra_thin | ah | 08:37 |
cbx33 | where is the best place to do that | 08:38 |
cbx33 | is there a meeting which is appropriate> | 08:38 |
cbx33 | ? | 08:38 |
LaserJock | cbx33: the art list isn't sufficent? | 08:38 |
cbx33 | probably | 08:38 |
cbx33 | i dunno, I suppose......meh nevermind | 08:39 |
cbx33 | I'm just keen to get the level of feedback required to get them into ubuntu | 08:39 |
LaserJock | heh, I don't think feedback really matters a whole lot | 08:40 |
cbx33 | oh well | 08:40 |
cbx33 | LaserJock, I'm just concious of how it will be judged if they are good enough | 08:44 |
LaserJock | ogra: http://www.squeakland.org/school/drive_a_car/html/Drivecar12.html | 08:44 |
cbx33 | feedback from community is the only thing I can think of | 08:44 |
cbx33 | apart from someone on high saying...they're crap m8 | 08:45 |
cbx33 | does that make sense | 08:45 |
LaserJock | sure | 08:45 |
LaserJock | but if you ask for feedback to the community at large I don't think you will learn much | 08:45 |
cbx33 | I did learn a lot | 08:45 |
cbx33 | don;t ask cos you won;t get anything :p | 08:45 |
LaserJock | some people won't like, some people will love it, and somebody will grab it and say it was there idea first ;-) | 08:46 |
cbx33 | heheh true | 08:46 |
cbx33 | I'm quite happy with the latest sound | 08:46 |
LaserJock | anyway, I know what you mean though | 08:46 |
LaserJock | what's the URL? | 08:46 |
cbx33 | http://progbox.co.uk/ubuntu7-X-fade-rev.mp3 | 08:47 |
cbx33 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds | 08:47 |
cbx33 | there is a ink to them all there | 08:47 |
ogra_thin | LaserJock, looks cool, do you know which license they use ? | 08:47 |
LaserJock | cbx33: sweet!!! | 08:48 |
cbx33 | LaserJock, hehe - I kinda like the opening your eyes and ears as you load ubuntu | 08:48 |
cbx33 | like moving to a higher level of quality | 08:48 |
LaserJock | ogra_thin: I think it is just a squeak image that runs on the squeak vm | 08:49 |
ogra_thin | to sad ... so it will also end up in multiverse | 08:49 |
cbx33 | right | 08:49 |
ogra_thin | i wish they would reconsider the licensing at apple | 08:49 |
LaserJock | yeah | 08:50 |
cbx33 | I'm off to do the dishes before the meeting | 08:50 |
LaserJock | it really looks cool | 08:50 |
=== ogra_thin is looking at willowng now | ||
Amaranth | yay | 08:51 |
Amaranth | my client beeps when you say willowng | 08:51 |
ogra_thin | hehe | 08:51 |
LaserJock | ogra_thin: hehe, the website says: "Squeak is Free, with a Liberal License: | 08:51 |
ogra_thin | i still highlight on hwdb .... | 08:51 |
ogra_thin | and some idiot tells people to test their sound by playing /usr/share/hwdb-client/ping.wav IN #UBUNTU ALL THE TIME | 08:52 |
ogra_thin | eek | 08:52 |
ogra_thin | sorry for the caps | 08:53 |
ogra_thin | ah, damned, i cant reboot atm ... | 08:54 |
ogra_thin | and restarting dbus isnt an option either currently | 08:55 |
ogra_thin | Amaranth, the package seems fine to me, but i'll have to wait with the reboot/dbus restart until after the meeting :( | 08:55 |
Amaranth | ogra_thin: pfft, just sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/99willowng start :) | 08:56 |
Amaranth | don't need dbus to do all the work for you :) | 08:56 |
ogra_thin | heh, true | 08:56 |
ogra_thin | sorry i'm a bit distracted today with all the room setup here | 08:57 |
ogra_thin | hmm, port 8563 ? | 08:58 |
ogra_thin | ok, seems to work ;) | 08:59 |
Amaranth | does the GUI work? | 09:00 |
ogra_thin | Amaranth, kudos ! | 09:00 |
ogra_thin | works great (at least for domain filter which i just tried | 09:00 |
ogra_thin | ) | 09:00 |
Amaranth | yay | 09:00 |
ogra_thin | (even from this thin client !) | 09:01 |
Amaranth | you know, i just realized something, i don't think i ever tested my changes to the bayesian filter | 09:01 |
ogra_thin | while using the gui on the server | 09:01 |
ogra_thin | you still have plenty of time for that | 09:01 |
ogra_thin | the package is really awesome | 09:01 |
ogra_thin | well done ! | 09:01 |
Amaranth | haha, it doesn't work | 09:02 |
Amaranth | NameError: global name 'urllib2' is not defined | 09:02 |
Amaranth | ogra_thin: I don't know how to make it install the training.db but not overwrite it on upgrades. | 09:02 |
ogra_thin | thats a bug ... can be fixed later ... lets upload that stuff :) | 09:02 |
LaserJock | hehe | 09:03 |
ogra_thin | uploaded | 09:06 |
Amaranth | cool | 09:11 |
cbx33 | congrats Amaranth | 09:14 |
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ogra_thin | ********* REMINDER EDUBUNTU MEETING in #ubuntu-meeting in 7 mins ************ | 09:53 |
lucasvo | ah, it's allready today? | 09:53 |
lucasvo | cool | 09:53 |
pygi | ogra, bleh, now you tell me :P | 09:53 |
cbx33 | ogra_thin, what happened to the fibbonaci sequence :p | 09:53 |
ogra_thin | ********* REMINDER EDUBUNTU MEETING in #ubuntu-meeting in 6 mins ************ | 09:54 |
ogra_thin | (for cbx33 ) | 09:54 |
pygi | ogra_thin, wait 'till I eat :) | 09:54 |
cbx33 | heheh | 09:54 |
cbx33 | ogra, did you hear the new sound? | 09:54 |
cbx33 | it's more.....organic like you wanted :p | 09:55 |
cbx33 | http://progbox.co.uk/ubuntu7-X-fade-rev.mp3 | 09:55 |
ogra_thin | not yet (i havent sound enabled here atm) | 09:55 |
cbx33 | ah hoky | 09:56 |
cbx33 | do you mind if I add sound to the agenda? | 09:56 |
pygi | cbx33, don't use that sound pls :P | 09:57 |
lucasvo | cbx33: nice | 09:57 |
lucasvo | cbx33: is it a startup sound? | 09:57 |
pygi | altought I don't care, as I have sound disabled :P | 09:57 |
ogra_thin | ********* REMINDER EDUBUNTU MEETING in #ubuntu-meeting in 3 mins ************ | 09:57 |
cbx33 | lucasvo, yes | 09:57 |
lucasvo | cbx33: in that case, I would make the fading at the beginning more slowly | 09:58 |
highvoltage | ogra_thin: lost weight? | 09:58 |
ogra_thin | highvoltage, yeah i have a client :P | 09:58 |
cbx33 | lucasvo, yes, it's not a finished product yet :p | 09:58 |
highvoltage | *g* | 09:58 |
ogra_thin | ********* REMINDER EDUBUNTU MEETING in #ubuntu-meeting in 1 min ************ | 09:59 |
ogra_thin | ********* REMINDER EDUBUNTU MEETING in #ubuntu-meeting in NOW !!! ************ | 10:00 |
pygi | ogra, my dinner :( | 10:00 |
ogra_thin | pygi, eat on schedule *shrug* :) | 10:01 |
=== pygi eats ogra_thin :) | ||
lucasvo | pygi: why, he's thin, not fat... :) I would rather eat something else. | 10:04 |
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cbx33 | quick question, how much load does it take to run an app over SSH? | 10:58 |
cbx33 | like just the X front end? | 10:58 |
cbx33 | I'm new to this | 10:58 |
cbx33 | I have a mchine which does all the grunt work, but I want to use a laptop to run the GUI for a program | 10:59 |
cbx33 | but the program will be running on the grunt machine | 10:59 |
cbx33 | how would I do that | 11:00 |
Amaranth | your local x server does all the display work | 11:00 |
Amaranth | but the remote machine would do the rest of the processing | 11:00 |
crimsun | ssh -X, generally. | 11:00 |
cbx33 | hmmm | 11:00 |
cbx33 | I'll tell you the application.....it's in my recording studio | 11:00 |
cbx33 | I hate turning round whilst playing my keyboard to see the screen. | 11:00 |
cbx33 | I can't move the pc | 11:00 |
cbx33 | so I wanted to rig a laptop to display the multitrack recording software screen | 11:01 |
cbx33 | but it must be VERY low resource usage | 11:01 |
crimsun | I presume you're running the recording software on the laptop? Does the laptop run Linux? | 11:02 |
cbx33 | the the recording software is on the grunt machine | 11:03 |
cbx33 | power hungry | 11:03 |
cbx33 | all the laptop woudl be for is a remote terminal | 11:03 |
cbx33 | would VNC or RDC be ok? | 11:03 |
cbx33 | or too power hungry? | 11:03 |
crimsun | from experience you want to avoid shoving a network connection onto the machine running the recording software | 11:04 |
cbx33 | ok | 11:05 |
cbx33 | any other method | 11:05 |
cbx33 | I can't move my screen or pc for the recording machine | 11:05 |
crimsun | really long vga cable + another monitor. | 11:05 |
cbx33 | yeh swat I thought you'd say | 11:05 |
cbx33 | was hoping we had a cool linux work around | 11:05 |
crimsun | seriously, with the network card spewing interrupts, your recording software will bear the grunt | 11:05 |
cbx33 | yeh | 11:06 |
cbx33 | true | 11:06 |
cbx33 | thanks crimsun | 11:06 |
crimsun | np | 11:06 |
cbx33 | you're stopped me from wasting an afternoon | 11:06 |
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Amaranth | LaserJock: Seriously, create a team for that. | 11:13 |
LaserJock | on LP? | 11:13 |
Amaranth | yeah | 11:14 |
LaserJock | k, gallium germanium gold and gadolinium are the elements that start with "g" | 11:16 |
highvoltage | gallium sounds nicest, imho | 11:16 |
Amaranth | yeah | 11:16 |
highvoltage | easy to spell and nice excutable | 11:16 |
=== highvoltage > bed | ||
juliux | gn8 highvoltage | 11:25 |
Amaranth | pygi: $2.19! | 11:25 |
pygi | Amaranth, #3 | 11:25 |
highvoltage | night juliux! | 11:25 |
pygi | $3 | 11:25 |
Amaranth | $3.14 | 11:25 |
pygi | $3.15 | 11:25 |
Amaranth | you fail | 11:26 |
ogra_thin | heh | 11:26 |
pygi | wth? you fail :) | 11:26 |
Amaranth | pi | 11:26 |
juliux | i think we need a bot for that ;) | 11:26 |
pygi | Amaranth, you are not very precise :P | 11:26 |
pygi | 3.14 is a long distance from pi :P | 11:26 |
Amaranth | pygi: You were supposed to extend the precision. | 11:26 |
lucasvo | the xml data of kalzium is very easy indeed: | 11:27 |
lucasvo | <element> | 11:27 |
lucasvo | <number>1</number> | 11:27 |
lucasvo | <name origin="Greek 'hydro' and 'gennao' for 'forms water'">Hydrogen</name> | 11:27 |
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=== pygi is very confused | ||
Amaranth | lucasvo: all we need is a renderer :) | 11:28 |
lucasvo | Amaranth: yes | 11:28 |
cbx33 | Amaranth, know how we can emulate the hovering bubbles of kalzium with python and gtk? | 11:28 |
=== lucasvo will read a pygtk tutorial for starters | ||
Amaranth | cbx33: I imagine that'll be a port of Qt Canvas to PyCairo | 11:29 |
ogra_thin | Amaranth, you'll need functions ... | 11:29 |
Amaranth | like rodarvus said | 11:29 |
Amaranth | s/of/from/ | 11:29 |
lucasvo | https://launchpad.net/products/gallium | 11:29 |
ogra_thin | i.e. kalzium has a cool feature with a time scale that shows the table based on when which element was discovered | 11:29 |
ogra_thin | or based on melting point etc | 11:29 |
lucasvo | Amaranth: did you do that? | 11:29 |
Amaranth | ah | 11:29 |
Amaranth | lucasvo: LaserJock | 11:30 |
lucasvo | ah. | 11:30 |
cbx33 | Amaranth, is PyCairo easy to use? | 11:30 |
Amaranth | ogra_thin: Shouldn't be too hard. :) | 11:30 |
ogra_thin | right | 11:30 |
Amaranth | cbx33: I wouldn't say yes. :) | 11:30 |
cbx33 | I'm sure we can knock soemthing up | 11:30 |
ogra_thin | but there are a *lot* of such cool small features | 11:30 |
Amaranth | ogra_thin: That'll be easy compared to the element model. | 11:30 |
Amaranth | ogra_thin: It'll probably take 9 months to get most of it. | 11:30 |
Amaranth | ogra_thin: I hope we can have something useful as a replacement default in time for edgy+1 though. | 11:31 |
Amaranth | wait, that is like 9 months from now :P | 11:31 |
cbx33 | Amaranth, element model? | 11:31 |
pygi | Amaranth, just get a lot of contributors | 11:31 |
rodarvus | PyCairo is as easy as a Canvas library can be | 11:31 |
Amaranth | cbx33: the fancy diagram of the element, weren't you just talking about it? | 11:32 |
rodarvus | which is saying a lot about it | 11:32 |
cbx33 | ah | 11:32 |
ogra_thin | Amaranth, well, first concentrate on the (un)paied work ;) | 11:32 |
ogra_thin | Amaranth, btw, did they deliver finally ? | 11:32 |
rodarvus | but the good news is that you won't have to "create" everything from scratch | 11:32 |
Amaranth | ogra_thin: nope | 11:32 |
LaserJock | https://launchpad.net/people/gallium-dev | 11:32 |
rodarvus | you'll be able to base your work on the algorithms and ideas which already exist in Kalzium | 11:32 |
Amaranth | ogra_thin: supposed to be fedexing a batch of checks directly from mountain view today | 11:32 |
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Amaranth | ogra_thin: dunno if mine will be in that batch | 11:33 |
ogra_thin | Amaranth, please tell me tomorrow if anything arrived | 11:33 |
Amaranth | i'm not home but i'll find a way to check | 11:33 |
ogra_thin | you deliver good work ... that should be paied | 11:33 |
ogra_thin | especially since they promised | 11:34 |
ogra_thin | ...severeral times | 11:34 |
rodarvus | ok, I need to leave for a while | 11:34 |
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rodarvus | family time | 11:35 |
rodarvus | I'll be back in a bunch of hours | 11:35 |
lucasvo | LaserJock: you here? | 11:35 |
rodarvus | (after dinner) | 11:35 |
LaserJock | lucasvo: yes | 11:35 |
lucasvo | LaserJock: can you create a team with the devs and add me? | 11:35 |
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LaserJock | lucasvo: I did, I though | 11:35 |
LaserJock | t | 11:35 |
Amaranth | oh man, another programming language that has it's compiler written in itself | 11:35 |
Amaranth | those are a pain to bootstrap | 11:35 |
Amaranth | or maybe i'm misunderstanding this guy | 11:36 |
lucasvo | LaserJock: yes you did, indeed. | 11:36 |
lucasvo | How should we start? | 11:37 |
Amaranth | lucasvo: specs | 11:37 |
lucasvo | Should I spec the XML files? | 11:37 |
Amaranth | lucasvo: we need an interpreter for the data (i'm pretty good with xml parsing), and a feature list for the first release | 11:37 |
lucasvo | should we notify the Kalzium devs? | 11:37 |
lucasvo | Amaranth: ok, in that case you can do it | 11:37 |
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Amaranth | lucasvo: You can write the specs. :) | 11:38 |
lucasvo | :( | 11:38 |
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Amaranth | what are the main features of kalzium that we want in a release say, 2 months fron now? | 11:38 |
cbx33 | lucasvo, gisomount was my first packaging pygtk | 11:39 |
cbx33 | progbox.co.uk/gisomount | 11:39 |
lucasvo | periodic table view, detailview | 11:39 |
lucasvo | cbx33: yes I know it. :) | 11:40 |
cbx33 | Amaranth, hovering bubbles :p | 11:40 |
Amaranth | haha | 11:40 |
LaserJock | yeah, I think the 3 things are: | 11:40 |
Amaranth | i'd say we want to have the periodic table and the info about the elements | 11:40 |
LaserJock | 1)periodic view (with traditional layout) | 11:40 |
LaserJock | 2) info view with all the nice chemical details | 11:40 |
lucasvo | should I create a milestone? | 11:40 |
Amaranth | kalzium is so slow... | 11:41 |
LaserJock | 3) bubbly type thing (can we do a rollover?) | 11:41 |
cbx33 | LaserJock, we discussed, probably with pyCairo | 11:41 |
LaserJock | 3) is nice but probably not neccesary for first release | 11:41 |
Amaranth | the bubbly thing is not neccesary right away | 11:41 |
Amaranth | we can probably just use a popup for it | 11:42 |
LaserJock | basically, get take kalzium's data and make it not look like crap | 11:42 |
cbx33 | we could always have hover and it changes a box in the corner | 11:42 |
cbx33 | like an info box | 11:42 |
cbx33 | that'd work right? | 11:42 |
LaserJock | yeah | 11:42 |
LaserJock | you basically need 3 levels of info | 11:42 |
lucasvo | cbx33: ++ | 11:42 |
LaserJock | 1) generally layout of the periodic table (what row, or period is something in) | 11:43 |
cbx33 | Amaranth, is the plan to build the UI in glade | 11:43 |
cbx33 | and put in all the leemtns | 11:43 |
cbx33 | elemtsn | 11:43 |
LaserJock | 2) basic data like molecular weight | 11:43 |
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LaserJock | 3) all the gorey details | 11:43 |
cbx33 | or have a clever algorithm....that will create the periodic table for us? | 11:43 |
Amaranth | cbx33: the UI will be built in glade but the table will be dynamic | 11:44 |
Amaranth | btw, i own #gallium | 11:44 |
cbx33 | thought you'd say that :p | 11:44 |
lucasvo | ->#gallium | 11:44 |
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