=== mhz [n=mhz@145-24-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [01:10] hi mhz [01:10] HedgeMage: hi there [01:10] HedgeMage: can i ask you a favor? [01:11] mhz: ask away :) [01:11] what's up? [01:11] I have no web connection at home now [01:11] HedgeMage: I am currenetly using a cibercafe [01:11] HedgeMage: so, I wont be able to be on tomorrows meeting [01:12] (ciber is not open at 12 UTC) [01:12] mhz: np, I think it may get cancelled since I just found out the exact date and time today, and it never made it on to the fridge. [01:12] HedgeMage: could you tell ogra and RichEd that I'll be "back" as sonn as possible? [01:12] np will do === HedgeMage hugs you [01:13] having problems with your net connection at home/work? [01:13] thank you! [01:13] nope [01:13] just can't afford it so far :( [01:13] ahh [01:13] understood [01:14] I'd lend you some of mine but that would have to be one heck of a long cable... ;) [01:14] hehehe, indeed [01:14] I'll see if a neighbour lends me wifi access [01:15] at least a couple of hours a day [01:15] (mostly emails and IRC) === andrewxps [n=andrewxp@24-119-241-197.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #edubuntu === andrewxps [n=andrewxp@24-119-241-197.cpe.cableone.net] has left #edubuntu [] === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_off === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [02:44] Howdy [02:47] hey bddebian [02:49] Hi Burg [02:49] Err Burgundavia === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [03:33] yay, fixed it [03:34] hacky fix [03:35] had to chown willowng:willowng /usr/share/willowng because sqlite writes to a temp file then moves to the original DB file [03:44] Amaranth: do you have a bzr/svn repo for alacarte? [03:45] nope, just gnome cvs [03:45] k [03:48] ogra: http://dev.realistanew.com/releases/willowng/0.2/deb-src [03:48] if it doesn't work i'll scream === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === Cornellius [n=alain@142-217-38-112.telebecinternet.net] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === lecaros [n=JoseLeca@11-12-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === eniac_petrov [n=eniac@212.124.89.173] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has left #edubuntu ["~>] === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-194-140.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === whozatmac [n=mack@68.62.190.239] has joined #edubuntu [10:53] morning [11:04] morning === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:15] lunch :-) [11:20] ogra: did you get the link to my source package? [11:21] yes, sorry, havent had time to look yet ... there is a gnome-screensaver update for dapper i have to check first ... yours is next on my list [11:21] alright [11:22] just making sure it didn't get lost in the 8 hour or so gap :) [11:22] nah [11:22] i keep my baclogs ;) [11:22] *backlogs [11:23] the only thing i can think of that might be a problem is that i chown willowng:willowng /usr/share/willowng in the postinst [11:24] that should be fine === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [11:24] at least i dont know a policy that forbids it [11:25] alright [11:25] that was a PITA :P [11:25] hi ogra [11:25] os.seteuid() != os.setuid() and sqlite writes to a temp file then moves to the db file on commit, took me days to figure those out [11:26] ogra, do you have an idea why my request for cds are not approved? i have e-mailed marilize and she said yes yes you get the cds but nothing happens [11:26] dunno, did you try to ask her in -devel ? [11:27] not yet === Chipzz [n=chipzz@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be] has joined #Edubuntu [11:36] Hi, I was told I could ask questions related to ltsp here [11:37] I'm not exactly using ltsp, but a very similar setup (basically I have everything configured myself) [11:38] I have pxelinux set up correctly, nfs on the server is working fine [11:38] but when the client boots and starts executing the scripts in /etc/rcS.d/, stuff goes haywire [11:39] specifically, something in S10udev makes / go away [11:39] is there before udevplug, but after udevplug runs, it's just gone [11:39] errr [11:39] / is there before udevplug, but after udevplug runs, it's just gone [11:41] what do you do with that setup ? [11:42] basically starting X and running a pygtk program [11:42] you could probably just use the ltsp setup and modify it ... thats in many cases easier than fiddling with our oen stuff [11:42] on the netbooted client ? [11:42] well I have most of the stuff set up correctly [11:42] yes the pygtk app runs locally on the netbooted client :) [11:43] thats exactly what we do in ltsp ... [11:43] we start an X server and run ldm (pygtk based login manager) [11:43] uhu, but ltsp-client depends on ldm | gdm | kdm , which is not what I want [11:44] ltsp has the functionallity builtin to create the right tmpfs directorys where you need rw access ... [11:44] or do you export your nfsroot rw ? [11:44] nope, I export it ro [11:44] if not there will be indeed probs with udev [11:45] since it will need write access at a certain level ... other apps as well ... [11:45] but the ltsp-client scripts run quite late in the rcS sequence? [11:45] i'D really go with a default ltsp setup and then modify the chroot [11:45] nope, the rc sequence is cleaned out by the chroot setup script ... [11:46] can you just tell me what's needed to get udev working, or where to look? [11:46] there are only a handfull rd scripts left [11:46] *rc [11:46] thats rather a question for keybuk ... i have no idea which directories need to be writable for udev ... [11:46] this thing is allmost setup, I think it's 99% done or sth :P [11:47] how did you create the chroot ? debootstrap ? [11:47] nope, install on a disk with ubuntu-server install [11:47] you could have a look at ltsp-build-client in the ltsp source [11:47] allready did that :) [11:48] thats our script that creates the chroot and makes the modifications to the dirs [11:48] I also did most of the things that script runs [11:48] I know :) [11:48] make sure to have the tmpfs ready ... [11:48] we use udev umodified in ltsp ... [11:48] unmodified* ? [11:48] so it must be your base setup where it goes wrong [11:49] yep [11:49] the defaulr ubuntu udev ... no tweaks or scripts [11:49] *default [11:49] yeah [11:49] I actually tested the ubuntu-server install on a local disk in the client first, and that worked fine ;) [11:50] one thing I do have is I have /tmp as a tmpfs in /etc/fstab [11:50] but that's not mounted yet at the time udev runs in rcS [11:51] initramfs should have it mounted ... [11:51] ? [11:51] did you do the tweaks to initramfs we do in ltsp-build-client ? [11:51] hrrrrm, I should check that [11:52] I tweaked the initrams with the 1 options, ie BOOT=nfs and MODULES=netboot [11:52] there are some lines that modify initramfs.conf ... look for that [11:52] s/1/2/ [11:52] did that [11:52] yeah [11:52] also made the symlink /etc/mtab [11:52] and regenerated the initramfs ? [11:52] jup [11:52] and copied it to tftpboot ... [11:52] I had some trouble without those lines at first :) [11:52] yup, did all that [11:53] (also note that we aim to keep compatibility with debian, so some lines are valid for the in that scrip and some for us) [11:53] actually I have my whole chroot in /var/lib/tftpboot [11:53] and export that ? [11:53] heh [11:53] yes [11:53] it's exported via nfs [11:54] what des the error say you see on the screen ? [11:54] do you get dropped into a busybox shell ? [11:55] something about not being able to find usplash-write [11:55] oh [11:55] but there's nothing on / at all [11:55] right, you did a server install :) [11:55] yeah but installed usplash on the client too ;) [11:56] so you are sure the nfs mount is definatelty working ? and you are not left in initramfs ? === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-197-255.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [11:56] I'm sure of that :) [11:57] currently I have modified pxelinux to add init=/bin/bash, so I can debug the issue manually [11:59] i'd really go with ltsp and add an lts.conf that starts your pygtk script instead of ldm ... [11:59] I have sprinkled some 'ls /' in /etc/init.d/udev, and the last one to work is the one before udevplug [12:00] instead of reimplementing ltsp by hand :) [12:02] I suspect that somehow I would have the same problem with ltsp though ;) [12:02] its a matter of 20min work ... [12:02] why should you ? [12:02] just a feeling [12:03] so, anyway, I should ask keybuk? [12:03] thing is, the chroot for the client is allready set up, and it would take more work to duplicate that again in the ltsp chroot [12:04] but I'll check if the ltsp chroot boots later [12:06] well, setting up a ltsp chroot if you have a dapper cd around is done in less than 10 min [12:06] ogra: I already have a ltsp chroot set up ;) [12:06] beside the chroot I had earlier [12:07] creating a lts.conf is a matter of 1min ... and copying your pygtk script into the chroot os taking as long as the cp :) [12:07] s/os/is/ [12:07] so you should be dont in 20min max ... [12:07] *done [12:10] uhu, anyway, I currently do not have access to the client anyway (it's in a friends room who'se still asleep, so not much chance of doing anything about it now anyway) [12:14] I guess my main gripe with ltsp-client is the Depends on 'ldm | sdm-terminal | x-display-manager' [12:14] which pulls in a lot of stuff I don't need [12:15] yes, it will install ldm (some kb) but you can avoid that its been used [12:15] s/been/being/ [12:16] and you need pygtk anyway ... all ldm pulls in alongside is the clearlooks engine and its deps ... its not really much [12:16] and diskspace is cheap ... especially on diskless netbooting machines ;) [12:17] *g* [12:18] it's mostly a matter of principles [12:18] I had the other install trimmed down a lot too [12:18] removing unneeded packages etc [12:18] you could just install sdm ;) [12:18] it has no big dependencys [12:19] yeah that would most likely be the best choice ;) === pygi_ is now known as pygi [12:19] Depends: openssh-client | ssh-client | ssh, dash, xserver-xorg [12:19] three deps only ... [12:19] one is already there anyway [12:19] err two [12:19] yup I saw that :) === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-70-16-7-154.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:45] ping highvoltage [12:46] hi guys [12:46] how can I prevent my ubuntu from trying to access apt etc when I'm using a dial up connection? [12:46] basically I don't want it to access the net work unless I ask it to [12:47] it just wasted 80K of my 500K allowance for this month :( [12:50] cbx33: pong, and i feel your pain, btw [12:51] grr.... [12:51] i usually have about 10MB per month. 500k is hectic [12:51] i thought you'd have some clever way round it [12:51] (although, i have more these days now that it's cheaper) [12:51] If I update apt, it shouldn't try again should it? [12:51] highvoltage: any luck on finding a SIM? [12:51] on the boxes i dial up on, i have my updates completely disabled in /etc/apt/sources.list [12:51] cbx33: yes [12:52] highvoltage: that'll do it? [12:52] yep [12:52] update-manager can't update if it doesn't have somewhere to update from :) [12:52] so you just comment out everything? [12:52] i have one line in with my own repository, in which i store updates downloaded from another machine [12:53] we need a GPRS mode for ubuntu [12:53] but yes, you can comment out everything, then do an apt-get update [12:53] it was pointed out at the summit too [12:53] although it's quite an unsexy problem, so there doesn't seem to be many people interested in fixing it [12:53] brb [12:53] heheh [12:56] bbl === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #edubuntu === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-70-16-7-154.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@217.205.109.249] has joined #edubuntu [01:15] hey RichEd [01:16] just got time for a hi pygi ... working hard today at head office :) === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-197-255.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [01:33] good evening [01:33] sorry highvoltage had to go home [01:33] hey jsgotangco [01:33] howz it going [01:33] hey cbx33 [01:33] pretty good [01:33] :D [01:33] i had some sushi =) === cbx33 has never had sushi [01:33] cbx33, how's music= ;) [01:34] cbx33: you're missing a lot [01:34] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds [01:34] pygi, there are three more ideas [01:34] cbx33: but then i dunno how authentic sushi can be in that area [01:34] some ideas came up on the mailing list [01:34] so I guess I should try those out too [01:34] jsgotangco, hehe [01:37] cbx33: System -> Administration -> Software Sources [01:37] you can disable automagically downloading new packages etc there [01:38] Chipzz, he cant disable downloading security updates there tho =P [01:38] well, he can, but he has to remove one package [01:38] (me forgot how is it called) [01:38] pygi: he can't? [01:38] that's stupid [01:38] Chipzz, I think he can't :) [01:38] I'm sure he can [01:39] thing is, I can't currently check, since I'm on edgy, and the GUI for that just changed the other day === Chipzz reboots other laptop in to dapper [02:08] ping highvoltage [02:09] pong cbx33 [02:09] pm [02:10] k [02:18] do we have a meeting? [02:20] it's 8UTC today isn't it? [02:20] yes === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-70-16-7-154.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:57] pygi: it seems you can disable it [02:57] pygi: security updates is a seperate option, but only for installing without asking === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu === tsurc [n=alistair@skegnessgrammar.plus.com] has joined #edubuntu === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [04:07] Hello === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-70-16-7-154.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@217.205.109.249] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [04:23] http://progbox.co.uk/ubuntu7-1.mp3 [04:23] hi RichEd [04:23] hi rodarvus [04:23] hi cbx33 [04:23] latest more "organic" " vivid" theme :p [04:23] as per a request on the mailing list [04:23] cbx33, I'm asking Jane to join #edubuntu [04:23] ok cool [04:23] conversation via msn is too confuse :) [04:24] sorry rodarvus [04:24] she asks me stuff and then pastes conversation between you two [04:24] hehe [04:24] much better if we talk here [04:24] sorry dude [04:24] cbx33, don't worry :) [04:24] RichEd, how was the meeting? [04:26] anybody can tell me how I can finish pending merges in bzr? [04:26] lucasvo, i think you commit [04:27] hey rodarvus :) [04:28] hey jsgotangco :) [04:28] rodarvus: como e voce? [04:29] cbx33, I'll help Jane configure her irc client during her lunch time (in 30 minutes) [04:29] jsgotangco, tudo bem, e voc? [04:29] ok [04:29] jsgotangco, you almost got it right - our "verb to be" is quite hard to get right [04:29] (and hard to explain too) [04:29] yeah im struggling hah [04:30] but the right is "como est voc" [04:30] im like trying to make some sense of the similar spanish words to no avail lol [04:30] jsgotangco, are you really studying portuguese? [04:31] rodarvus: its an interest, for some reason i cannot explain [04:31] well, it resembles spanish a little [04:31] rodarvus: hopefully its not because i grew up with my dad playing jazz samba all day when i was a kid [04:31] sou = soy, = es, est = esta, estamos = estamos, etc [04:32] I have great interest in sino-based languages [04:32] but never got around to study them [04:32] brb === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:34] its probably because my native language has some spanish built-in so its a bit easier for me [04:35] really? [04:35] sure, my middle name is Santos :) [04:35] haha [04:35] santos is portuguese! [04:36] my mom has foreign blood [04:36] but it is so diluted already lol [04:36] j*s*gotangco :) [04:37] my surname is actually my grandfather's real name [04:37] oh [04:37] nice === RichEd [n=richard@217.205.109.249] has joined #edubuntu === dan_young [n=dyoung@fw11x.mesd.k12.or.us] has joined #edubuntu [05:13] Burgwork [05:36] I'm back !!! :D [06:18] ogra: get a chance to look at the package? [06:19] Amaranth, not yet, but i romise i'll have it done before the meeting [06:19] *promise [06:19] alright [06:19] that's in 4 hours, right? [06:20] 20:00 UTC [06:21] 3 1/2 hours, close enough :) === Janis [n=Janis@201-25-141-4.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #Edubuntu === tosin [n=tosin@201-25-141-4.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #Edubuntu === Petaris resumes looking at Iceland as a good place to move to [06:30] In December 2004 Iceland's population totalled 293.577 people of which around 180.000 lived in the capital, Reykjavik, and surrounding areas. [06:30] The perfect place for someone who hates crowds [06:30] :) === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:32] depends on how big it is [06:32] big enough [06:33] The land of the free keeps loosing its freedoms [06:33] :/ [06:33] Iceland's got to much volcanic activity for my taste [06:33] geo-thermal power though [06:33] good education system [06:34] good health care [06:34] no Bush [06:34] Iceland is one of the places I'd like to live on, someday [06:34] Iceland, Norway, Japan and China are my prime candidates [06:34] my chemistry prof in undergrad hiked across Iceland once [06:35] Japan would be cool, but too crowded [06:35] Norway would be an option though [06:35] however with Iceland you can have dual citizenship [06:36] You can become an Icelandic citizen but still maintain your US citizenship [06:36] *just in case [06:36] I think I'll stick to the US, and maybe New Zealand [06:36] but actually, I don't think it is too easy for one to move to Iceland [06:36] I'm still trying to recover from my first/last international experience [06:37] (unless they have different policies, based on country you're from) [06:37] LaserJock, why "last"? [06:37] LaserJock, was it this shocking to meet us ? [06:38] ogra: the people there were great [06:38] yeah, I was wondering that too :P [06:38] the French didn't treat me so well, though ;-) [06:38] i mean, i know i scared elmo with my shorts ... :) [06:38] hehe [06:38] but i didnt know about others :) [06:39] highvoltage and I just laughed [06:39] you scared me with your shorts >:-) [06:39] heh [06:39] just kidding ;) [06:39] LaserJock: how did you know? [06:39] i promise i'll wear longer ones in wiesbaden [06:39] nah, you should keep the trend === ogra goes to carry his desk upstairs ... === highvoltage sees now [06:40] ogra, btw, how do you expect the weather to be in wiesdbaden in 20 days from now? [06:40] I just watched a show on TV about a CEO that has been known to walk around in such atire [06:40] (asking to plan clothes I'll take in my luggage) [06:40] geez, i'm about 40 km's from johannesburg atm, and it's the coldest recordest day in Johannesburg ever [06:40] it even snowed briefly [06:41] (although i didn't see any of it) [06:41] its quite cold in here too, about 7c === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [06:41] global warming my ass [06:41] :) [06:42] I think I just need to try it a few more times, I was just so thankful to get back to the US [06:43] but a few more dev summits, who knows... [06:43] heh [06:43] if I can go a few times without loosing my laptop or wallet and I'll feel better [06:43] i hope i'll make another dev summit [06:43] highvoltage: we had more 100F days in july here than every before [06:44] 100F is like 40C, i think [06:44] i have to contribute some more first [06:44] it's been real hectic work-wise [06:44] Amaranth: wow [06:44] Amaranth: we have a law here, that if it ever gets 40C, kids don't have to go to school that day [06:44] Amaranth: where are you? [06:44] i heard about that law the first day of school [06:45] and i've watched the temprature every day during summer [06:45] LaserJock: Iowa [06:45] and the warmest it got was 38C once :( [06:45] That's like the middle of the US [06:45] Amaranth: ah yeah, we just got ride of the heat over here in NV === cbx33 has just seen a first mock of a new edubuntu wallpaper :D [06:46] yeah, it's only 79F right now [06:46] Oh and check this out if you're interested in sounds - http://progbox.co.uk/ubuntu7-X-fade.mp3 [06:46] Amaranth: we had ~104 for over a week at least [06:46] 72 F here [06:46] hi LaserJock [06:46] today the high is supposed to be about 20F lower than yesterday [06:46] yeah [06:46] LaserJock: we had 2 or 3 104F days in a row, a couple 90s before that, and then a couple 100s before that [06:46] nasty heat [06:47] yep [06:47] yesterday was the worst, it rained in the morning so it was really humid [06:47] like 80% relative humidity [06:47] we ended up with a lot of fires, it was so hot and dry that we had big thunderstorms but the rain never made it to the ground [06:47] only the lightning [06:47] geez [06:48] wow [06:48] lots of fires in western nebraska [06:49] rodarvus, did ya get anywhere with IRC? [06:49] cbx33, yeah === rodarvus introduces Janis [06:50] ahh....I did wonder :p [06:50] Hi Janis [06:50] Janis is Jane Vita, my wife (and also an accomplished designer) [06:50] ah, sweet [06:50] hi Janis [06:50] Janis: Welcome! [06:50] Janis' english skills are a bit rusty, so please bear with us :) [06:51] I'll try to help as much as possible [06:51] but I'd like to see Janis working with AliasVegas (and whoever else might be interested) in Edubuntu artwork [06:51] Janis: thanks for letting Rodrigo go to Paris, he was a lot of fun to hang out with :-) [06:51] rodarvus, ah, they are already working together :p [06:51] that reminds me, i'm supposed to poke AliasVegas about some icons [06:51] oooh Amaranth poke me [06:52] I'll let her know [06:52] she's making a sandwich right now :p [06:52] heh [06:52] cbx33: I need an icon for WillowNG's config tool [06:52] ok cool [06:52] tangoish, if possible :) [06:52] noted on her post its === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-236-51.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [06:53] cbx33: thanks [06:59] hi... [07:00] Laser Jock: rodarvus gave me no option [07:00] hehe [07:01]