[12:11] <rr72> how do i install xinet and how do i add services by habnd to it?
[12:12] <rr72> i need some help
[12:13] <alert_> rr72: restarting some service is here - /etc/init.d/
[12:13] <rr72> its not there
[12:13] <rr72> i had to install xinetd for it to show up
[12:13] <alert_> rr72: example - #networking restart
[12:13] <rr72> would networking restart inet.conf?
[12:14] <rr72> can i still use inet.conf with xinet or no?
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> inetd.conf or inet.conf ?
[12:16] <alert_> where you was found inet.conf ? o_O
[12:17] <Karti> SRTech: Sorry, the version I have is the downloaded DVD and the third option down after safe mode is a Text Install
[12:17] <rr72> /etc/
[12:19] <rr72> i got it
[12:19] <rr72> i was missing a pack
[12:19] <rr72> netkit-inted
[12:20] <Karti> SRTech: ?
[12:20] <SRTech> Karti, thanks for trying
[12:20] <Karti> can you download the DVD?
[12:20] <SRTech> Only problem is this laptop does not have a DVD drive :)
[12:20] <SRTech> it's that old
[12:20] <dr_willis> My laptop is so old - it can only read dvd+r
[12:21] <dr_willis> or was it -r's
[12:21] <Karti> there are CDs
[12:21] <Karti> same download sites
[12:21] <dr_willis> That had me WAY confused one day... "the dvd works! why not in the laptop!"
[12:21] <Karti> I even put it on my neighbours Mac
[12:22] <Karti> or if you can wait shipit does cds (I think)
[12:23] <SRTech> Ship-it does do cds, thats where I got mine
[12:23] <mossman> Hi all.  Anyone have any issuse with kubuntu, cedega and Everquest?  I find it is running very slow.  I use an ATI Card with the proper drivers on a 2 ghz Intel, with 1 gig ram?   Has anyone encountered anything similar?
[12:23] <Karti> so you have the cds..........strange that it does not have a text install
[12:24] <SRTech> yeah, unless there is a hidden command or something
[12:24] <Karti> the menu on the dvd has about 8 items
[12:24] <SRTech> only 5 on the cD
[12:24] <Karti> number three being text install
[12:25] <dr_willis> mossman,  best bet - check the cedega forums
[12:25] <SRTech> if I hit F6, I get a cryptic string, (can copy down if you want), that looks like it sets options for the boot
[12:25] <Karti> only other thing is to try another make, PCLinuxOS is really good
[12:25] <Karti> let me do a quick search
[12:26] <mossman> I was at the cedega forms. Followed their advice,  still lagging.  Perhaps 25 FPS  Not easy to play at that speed
[12:27] <Karti> SRTech: It looks like they is an alternate text install cd
[12:27] <SRTech> ok, got a link?
[12:28] <pmartin> hi is the ati driver in the adept program?
[12:28] <pmartin> i cannot find it..
[12:29] <dr_willis> !ati
[12:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:29] <pmartin> thanks..
[12:30] <Karti> just looking now ubuntu-6.06-alternate-i386.iso
[12:30] <pmartin> can we use adept to compile and install from source?
[12:31] <dr_willis> with apt-get you can
[12:31] <dr_willis> !apt-get
[12:31] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[12:31] <mossman> pmartin,  sorry not yet
[12:31] <h3sp4wn> pmartin: just use apt-get -b source
[12:31] <Karti> SRTech: what country you in?
[12:31] <SRTech> USA
[12:32] <dr_willis> of course why you would need to use apt-get -b source  - is the next question. :P
[12:32] <pmartin> thanks, i had my uncle put this distro on his pc.  it seems nice sofar..
[12:32] <Karti> SRTech: and  use the alternatehttp://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/6.06/
[12:33] <pmartin> is starting and stoping services similar to debian
[12:33] <dr_willis> Ubuntu and its variants are decently well done.
[12:33] <SRTech> Karti, Thanks a ton!
[12:33] <dr_willis> Idential to debian.
[12:33] <dr_willis> or  I think they are. :P
[12:33] <Karti> No probs..........11.30 here so good luck with the next cd
[12:33] <pmartin> ok, i was looking at the kubuntu docs, i didnt see that,   so i can get the debian docs and try to follow..
[12:34] <mynameisMud> anyone know if ubuntu studio project is an actual distribution or just a how-to for installing the packages?
[12:34] <h3sp4wn> mynameisMud: Its not a distribution do you need a realtime preempt kernel ?
[12:35] <mynameisMud> h3sp4wn, hmm what's that?
[12:35] <dr_willis> I cant recall ever hearing about 'ubuntu studio'
[12:36] <mynameisMud> http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Welcome,_Musicians!
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> Its just a set of documents telling you how to setup jackd for real low latency
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> (But I never managed to get it working properly on dapper - couldn't get it below 40ms even with the realtime kernel and an maudio audio card
[12:38] <RawSewage> Ubuntu Studio Project is a How-To now, I believe
[12:38] <klerfayt> how to use "top" command to only monitor one process; e.g. "gamin_server"?
[12:38] <pmartin> one last question, does the xgl and compiz in the package manager set up easy?  i have installed it but i dont think its working correctly.
[12:38] <h3sp4wn> pmartin: its very out of date
[12:38] <mynameisMud> well anyways, see ya
[12:39] <dr_willis> i dont think XGL is worth more then toying with at this time..  :) its good to show off.. but useablity wise.. well..
[12:39] <RawSewage> one nice feature is
[12:39] <RawSewage> Alt+Mouse roller
[12:39] <pmartin> i hope its stable before aero is released ;-)
[12:39] <RawSewage> makes each window have it's own transparency setting
[12:39] <RawSewage> you mean Edgy?
[12:40] <pmartin> thats compiz though
[12:40] <RawSewage> whats Aero
[12:40] <dr_willis> I dont see the point in trasparent windows - to be honest. :P
[12:40] <pmartin> windows new 3d accelerated, dx9 desktop
[12:40] <RawSewage> theyre handy
[12:41] <RawSewage> so you can see whats going on in IRC while browsing, for example
[12:41] <dr_willis> I keep everything full screen.. and on  normally on its own desktop.
[12:41] <dr_willis> :P
[12:41] <RawSewage> thats why transparency is good
[12:41] <RawSewage> for fullscreen
[12:41] <dr_willis> transparent text over text....   Yea.. how unreadable. :P
[12:41] <osoh> hi all
[12:42] <dr_willis> Next big gimmic.. i am betting.
[12:42] <dr_willis> Like all the other great-white-hype things in the past. :)
[12:42] <RawSewage> but
[12:42] <RawSewage> the good thing will be:
[12:42] <RawSewage> it will make your computer faster
[12:43] <RawSewage> because all the desktop painting CPU will be given to your graphics card
[12:43] <RawSewage> freeing up your CPU
[12:43] <RawSewage> thus making things run and load faster
[12:43] <dr_willis> of course according to the latest ati-amd-forumns/news/comments --  some day the gpu and cpu will be one. :)
[12:43] <pmartin> is there a way to view packages in a heirarchy,  such as firefox might be in a www catagorie?
[12:43] <dr_willis> then again   - ive seen 3 differnt 'coprocessor' cards mentioned in the last week.
[12:44] <RawSewage> pmartin, Synaptic
[12:44] <pmartin> thanks
[12:44] <h3sp4wn> Probably similar to how xscale and via have ipsec accelerators on die
[12:44] <dr_willis> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3586
[12:45] <dr_willis> the amd 'PIC' uses a cpu+gpu i think
[12:45] <RawSewage> pmartin, and Firefox is in the World Wide Web category in Synaptic
[12:45] <RawSewage> youre psychic
[12:45] <nikkiana> could someone remind me what i need to do to set my default browser in the Konsole
[12:45] <nikkiana> (you'd think after I did this four time, I'd remember....)
[12:46] <crazy_penguin> night all
[12:46] <RawSewage> I know how to do it with GUI
[12:47] <nikkiana> RawSewage, so do i, but whenever i try to do it that way, it doesn't take
[12:47] <RawSewage> oh
[12:47] <crazy_penguin> sleep well :)
[12:47] <RawSewage> nikkiana, are you doing it in the Default Apps section of KControl
[12:47] <nikkiana> RawSewage, yeah.
[12:50] <nikkiana> RawSewage, for whatever reason, doing it that way doesn't make the change..... (I'm trying to swith from Konquerer to Firefox)
[12:50] <RawSewage> nikkiana, Im sure theres an easy way
[12:50] <RawSewage> nikkiana,  did you check the forums
[12:51] <RawSewage> It's rare that you cant find an answer there
[12:51] <nikkiana> I know doing it via Konsole works.... i know it's also not difficult.... i just can't remember how to do it.... and every time i've forgotten, i've looked through the forums and not found the information (I think either someone in here has reminded me... or one of my Linux-y inclined friends)
[12:53] <nikkiana> i always thought it strange i could never find this information on the forums...
[12:55] <iamtdj> Hello, I have been trying to get amarok to use my ipod but it wont connect to the device.  When I plug it in konquer opens it as a usb device and shows me the folders, but stalls during mounting.  When I mount it manually via a console I can see the files and folders but if I try to copy or open one of them, knoqueror stalls, any help?
[12:55] <kOpter> nikkiana > update-alternatives
[12:57] <nikkiana> kOpter, thank you!
[12:57] <nikkiana> why can't i ever remember that.....
[12:57] <kOpter> You never use it.. only when you've just installed java :)
[12:58] <nikkiana> kOpter, true
[01:00] <cerda> how can i make my kde looks better? :] 
[01:00] <dr_willis> depends on your definition of better.
[01:00] <klerfayt> cerda: kde-look.org
[01:00] <virgilio> cerda: http://www.kde-look.org/
[01:00] <dr_willis> theres ooodles of themes to play with
[01:00] <dr_willis> and many more can be installed with the package manager.. and then theres the theme sites listed abobe
[01:01] <nikkiana> speaking of kde themes.... does anyone know if there's a tutorial in existance to make the cute little graphics into usable icons?
[01:01] <cpk2> hmm i've got a question, i'm running off an external hard drive on my laptop, but dont like having to shut down when ever i want to move around, would just unmounting the drive work? or do i actually need to have a hdd to keep it running
[01:01] <cerda> ive seen some shots looking very similar to mac os
[01:01] <dr_willis> cerda,  i would consider that making kde  look worse. :)
[01:02] <cerda> dr_willis :] 
[01:02] <cpk2> lol
[01:02] <dr_willis> years of interface design and research ..   out comes os-x -- "heck with it lets go for the Purty look!"
[01:02] <nikkiana> dr_willis, well, OS X looks better than Windows :P
[01:03] <dr_willis> then ya got the whole "lets prevent the users from makign it look how they want... even tho the feature is in the os.. lets just disable it!
[01:03] <acojlo> hi, how to completly switch from kubuntu to ubuntu (gnome and all apps)
[01:03] <gnomefreak> acojlo: install ubuntu-desktop
[01:03] <dr_willis> acojlo,  apt-get install ubuntu-desktop  then pick gnome from the login screen
[01:03] <dr_willis> :P
[01:03] <gnomefreak> acojlo: if you want to get rid of kubuntu (you dont have to) remove libqt3-mt
[01:03] <h3sp4wn> dr_willis: e17 still looks the best (I think)
[01:04] <dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  last i messed with E17 - it ran for about 5 min at a time btweeen crashes. :P
[01:04] <cerda> dr_willis do u have a shot from u desk? :] 
[01:04] <dr_willis> cerda,  nope.
[01:04] <cerda> another thing, anyone uses kopete??
[01:04] <dr_willis> simple grey bacnground.. a few icons  thats it.
[01:04] <dr_willis> :P
[01:04] <h3sp4wn> dr_willis: Well its quite a bit more reliable these days
[01:04] <nikkiana> e17 would be cool.... if it ever gets finished....
[01:05] <klerfayt> nikkiana: never say never
[01:05] <dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  id would be amazed - if they could make it LESS reliable. :P
[01:05] <dr_willis> E17 will be done when Duke Nukem Forever comes out!
[01:05] <dr_willis> :)
[01:05] <nikkiana> klerfayt, oh i know. :) just when you give up hope, Linux people like to pull surprises. ;)
[01:05] <h3sp4wn> That is the apokypse that time
[01:06] <h3sp4wn> (when e17 and duke nukem forever are released will be the end of the world)
[01:06] <acojlo> yes, but how to use gdm instead of kdm ?
[01:06] <nikkiana> h3sp4wn, very very true.
[01:06] <dr_willis> acojlo,  when ya install - it will ask what to use.. select gdm
[01:06] <acojlo> it did not
[01:07] <acojlo> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[01:07] <cpk2> select it from the log in screen then
[01:07] <dr_willis> or use dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[01:07] <dr_willis> I think
[01:07] <klerfayt> h3sp4wn: to see the end of world is selfish wish
[01:07] <dr_willis> every time ive ever installed gnome/gdm its asked.
[01:07] <acojlo> gdm is not installed
[01:08] <acojlo> i'll install it
[01:08] <dr_willis>  ubuntu-desktop  shoudl of installed gdm as well as a LOT of other packages
[01:08] <acojlo> kde is too frustrating for me
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> klerfayt: I don't wish to see it - I wish to cause it
[01:08] <dr_willis> Gnome is to crippling for me. :P
[01:08] <dr_willis> then again -  i can use either and mix the 2
[01:08] <acojlo> it didn't so now i'm runing 'install gdm' and it's working something
[01:09] <klerfayt> h3sp4wn: world or humankind?
[01:09] <Lunar_Raven> !azureus
[01:09] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[01:09] <RawSewage> actually, I recommend KTorrent over Azureus for KDE
[01:09] <RawSewage> Azureus doesnt work very well in KDE
[01:09] <acojlo> ok ... i'll see it now
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> klerfayt: humankind
[01:11] <nikkiana> Ah! I remembered the actual real question I wanted to ask.....
[01:11] <dr_willis> Sorry we cant answer real Questions. :)
[01:12] <nikkiana> If you install something, say, from a Debian file rather than via the package manager and it doesn't make an icon for the program, how to you make an icon for it?
[01:12] <dr_willis> depends on the program
[01:12] <dr_willis> creat a launcher for the panel is normally what i do
[01:12] <klerfayt> nikkiana: one thing I dislike about kde styles is that you have to compile it yourself
[01:12] <dr_willis> and 'from a debian file, vs the package manager' shouldent matter
[01:13] <nikkiana> well, I installed GIMPshop because i like the menus better than the GIMP, and when it installed, it didn't create an icon
[01:14] <omeow> pixel; http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/
[01:14] <nikkiana> omeow, i was reading about that.
[01:15] <omeow> Me too.
[01:15] <omeow> I've downloaded it, and I'm trying it.
[01:15] <omeow> It's a bit GTKy, but i'm quite liking it.
[01:16] <nikkiana> omeow, i may download it and give it a shot....
[01:16] <omeow> Definitely do so. They've got ubuntu packages, shouldn't be too hard to install for you.
[01:17] <nikkiana> if there's one thing i've been sorely missing since switching to Kubuntu is Photoshop.... and i've yet to find something I'm 100% happy with in Linux....
[01:17] <nikkiana> I like Krita's interface..... but it crashes more often than Windows :P
[01:17] <h3sp4wn> nikkiana: tried gimp 2.3 ?
[01:17] <omeow> I don't like krita's interface.
[01:18] <nikkiana> Krita is also missing useful stuff.... but at least I could find things...
[01:18] <omeow> I'm not an avid photoshop user, but pixel's interface seems to mimic it.
[01:18] <omeow> Yes, I would agree on that. It's not as bad as Gimp. :)
[01:18] <nikkiana> h3sp4wn, not yet... i may have to check it out too... have they made any notable changes?
[01:19] <nikkiana> GIMPshop at least makes things findable..... but I'm not a big fan of the multiple menu sort of look that both GIMP and GIMPshop have....
[01:19] <klerfayt> ok here is simple task I can't complete in konqueror: download this svg http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=42308&vote=good&tan=71671442 to your home
[01:20] <nikkiana> I love the new version of Inkscape, but that's only vector graphics... It's useful for some stuff, but not everything.
[01:20] <cerda> how can i make amarok look just the thing it seens on kde-look ?
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> nikkiana: I wouldn't know whether it was noticable changes but I thought it looked pretty good
[01:21] <nikkiana> h3sp4wn, i'll have to look into it :)
[01:21] <omeow> nikkiana, try the demo of pixel, and see if you like that.
[01:21] <nikkiana> omeow, i'm installing it now :)
[01:21] <omeow> It does cost money, but it looks like a linux version of photoshop to me. Even the menus seem very much the same.
[01:22] <nikkiana> omeow, oooh... it does look nice... and it's not like $32 is that expensive....
[01:22] <omeow> Not quite no.
[01:23] <nikkiana> compared to what Photoshop costs.... Eek.
[01:23] <omeow> I'm going to recommend this to a friend who needs to use gimp on Linux because his job requires that. He was more used to photoshop too.
[01:23] <omeow> Wonder if he likes this. :)
[01:23] <Philip5> Hawkwind: i'm making a testinstall from the repo on a clean kubuntu install :)
[01:24] <Philip5> looks like it's working so far
[01:25] <brandon_> why ain't the youtube videos working in konq?
[01:25] <klerfayt> brandon_: they are working here
[01:25] <klerfayt> brandon_: install flash
[01:25] <brandon_> 'tis replied aunt helga
[01:25] <acojlo> what else should I do to switch to gnome?
[01:33] <acojlo> this gnome looks slow - what am I missing?
[01:35] <soulrider> i use KDE
[01:35] <mossman> gnome is missing KDE
[01:35] <mossman> :P
[01:36] <supernix> Do they have a good list of acceptable modems for Kubuntu ?
[01:36] <soulrider> im making a program thatw ill inver the letter order in the words ina  phrase :P want ane nglish translation?
[01:36] <supernix> 56k dialup modems that is
[01:36] <soulrider> im just making it to piss my friend off
[01:36] <soulrider> no idea supernix
[01:36] <soulrider> who sues 56k anyways? .P
[01:36] <supernix> anyone that does not have broadband
[01:36] <mossman> Most Hardware MOdems are supported by Linux.. For winmodem support check out www.linmodems.com and see if it is listed
[01:37] <supernix> Ok but do they have a list of these hardware modems ?
[01:37] <mossman> soulrider: I remember when 56k was fast :P
[01:37] <supernix> I thought about buying a serial modem called a Modem Blaster made by Creative Labs
[01:38] <exobuzz> anyone running ubuntu dapper on ppc ?
[01:38] <mossman> Hardware modems whether serial, PP or USB should just work out of the box.  pci win modems may need a special driver installed
[01:40] <supernix> Actually this is the modem to which I was thinking of getting http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=4327785&type=product&id=1051384345922
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> supernix: An external serial modem with be easiest to setup and use
[01:40] <supernix> Ok that does settle it
[01:41] <mossman> "Winmodem (Controllerless)  No"  Should work just fine
[01:41] <mossman> If you have a machine that still has a serial port
[01:41] <supernix> I bought a PCI that said it supported linux kernel 2.4 and up but it was not easy while the modem seemed to work it dialed and such I still was never able to get ppd to work
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> supernix: us robotics external modem you will never have issues with one of them
[01:42] <mossman> Listen to h3sp4wn
[01:42] <supernix> Ok hmm with I would have known that I had a chance to get one of them over the weekend while I was having troubles
[01:42] <supernix> I did not know for sure so I did not know what to do
[01:43] <supernix> I did however read about that particular modem working for others on Suse
[01:43] <cpk2> supernix: you sure it isnt user error?
[01:43] <supernix> cpk2: it could very well be
[01:43] <supernix> I don't know diddly about kppd
[01:43] <mossman> True, Picking out  Hardware can be especally bothersome for linux at times
[01:43] <supernix> I use cable modem myself thus I have no issues
[01:44] <supernix> funny thing that Modem blaster modem works great with linux they say but not so good with WInXP
[01:45] <mossman> Today,  anyone looking for a modem for dial up, I would recommend perhaps Directway or another 2 way Sat connection.  Faster.  Though a bit pricey
[01:45] <supernix> hmmm what is Directway
[01:45] <supernix> ?
[01:45] <mossman> Directway.  or Hughsnet in canada
[01:45] <cpk2> satellite
[01:46] <supernix> oic
[01:46] <mossman> yeah Satellite
[01:46] <supernix> Yeah I will have to get that through DirectTV hear in SC
[01:46] <cpk2> satellite hurts when it comes to encryption though
[01:46] <BluesKaj> router is the way togo even if its just wired
[01:46] <supernix> I sure will miss my nice cable modem
[01:46] <mossman> I get 700kb/s  Down. However not pratical for serving
[01:46] <supernix> Getting married in Nov 11 and will be moving to the country out in the middle of nowhere
[01:47] <supernix> Sadly at that point I will only have 56k or hopefully Satellite
[01:47] <cpk2> thankfully my girlfriend doesnt seem to mind living in the city
[01:47] <mossman> Ha.  I live in  the middle of No where.  Directway, has worked nicely for me.  Abouth$70 a month
[01:48] <BluesKaj> aren't 2 way satellite conns pretty expensive, high up front costs here in Canada , but if yer in the boonies and ya want a decent internet conn, it's the only way to go
[01:48] <cpk2> over here in southern california they say "you need a clear view of the southeastern sky for satellite"
[01:48] <supernix> I feel lucky I am only paying $50 for a 5mbps connection
[01:49] <mossman> True.  I live in rural NS.  Sat equipment ran me 750 dollars CAD .  But when there is no other option, it is nice to know there is a least one
[01:49] <mossman> cpk2  there are many sats in stationary orbit.  For your they would be SE,  or SW or NW
[01:50] <BluesKaj> a fellow canuck , mossman ...so you have Directway ...how do ya like it ?
[01:50] <cpk2> i think stationary orbit is an oxymoron =P
[01:50] <mossman> It is annoying on raining days
[01:50] <cpk2> but yeah they do have several asynchronous sats
[01:50] <mossman> though snow doesn't seem to affect it as much
[01:50] <BluesKaj> yeah , rainfade
[01:51] <mossman> It is fast down,  though the  latency can be up to 3 seconds.  Not suitable for some online games
[01:51] <BluesKaj> i live in a samll town in Northern Ontario and we fianlly got HS DSL here in 2002 ...been pretty good since
[01:52] <soulrider> yay, im moving hard drives
[01:52] <mossman> Thats sweet.
[01:52] <soulrider> im gonna have to reinstall linux on another one
[01:52] <soulrider> along withe evrything i installed already :P
[01:52] <soulrider> is there an easy way fo doing it other thanr einstallign everything ?
[01:52] <BluesKaj> bell sympatico , but ya have to live with it
[01:52] <cpk2> keep using the same harddrive?
[01:52] <supernix> wouldn't it be nice to get listing of know supported hardware for Kubuntu
[01:52] <mossman> We happen to have a lot of options here. Cable, DSL, Etc.  Only my home is 2 km off the main road, It was cheaper going with Satallite than running 2000 meters of cable
[01:53] <BluesKaj> yeah , no kidding :)
[01:53] <cpk2> in california and florida that i know of verizon will run fiber to your house if you are in the right area
[01:53] <mossman> Kubuntu doesn't support hardware.  The Linux Kernel supports it. There are lists avaible on the net.  If One Linux distro will do it they all will
[01:54] <supernix> ah man that is so kewl I can only imagine having fiber
[01:54] <BluesKaj> satellite beats dialup ...even with the lag
[01:55] <BluesKaj> I weas talking to some guys in Sweden that are on pure fiber 5real mgs per sec
[01:56] <BluesKaj> 10 times faster than me
[01:56] <draik> running cross-country to deliver a letter that you wrote in an email is faster than dial-up
[01:57] <BluesKaj> mine is adverted as 5mbs ...I guess that translates to 500kbs in reality
[01:58] <soulrider> oh my, eclipse for linux is so muhc better than eclipse for windows
[01:58] <h3sp4wn> I had 8mb baseband at one point (which is alot better than the high latency cable connection I have now)
[01:58] <mossman> I wish all these people with 5mbs connections would seed torrent files a bit longer!
[01:58] <cpk2> BluesKaj: thats what 5mbps is...
[01:58] <soulrider> lo mossman
[01:58] <soulrider> what about the people in japan
[01:58] <cpk2> mossman: its 5mbps down and about 50kB/s up
[01:59] <soulrider> cpk2: i have 512/128 now
[01:59] <soulrider> but for years i had 64/64
[01:59] <soulrider> imaigne what it was like downloading a movie
[01:59] <soulrider> plus, i have to share this connection with ym family
[01:59] <h3sp4wn> I have 4000/128 which is pretty useless for uploading anything
[01:59] <mossman> Ahh.  Why do all these companies throttle now?  If everyone is throttling how can anyone get there 5mbs down speed
[01:59] <soulrider> and my mom is the lag queen, if somethign takes one more milisecond to load she goes berserk
[02:00] <cpk2> my cable is down about 600kB/s and up about 40-50 kB/s
[02:01] <mossman> Well.. My cable modem is better than your cable modem :P
[02:02] <soulrider> i got a question
[02:02] <mossman> Soulrider:  Shoot.
[02:02] <soulrider> why cant i see characters i wrote that are like  un linux correctly if i wrote them in widnows and vice versa
[02:02] <soulrider> same with DOS
[02:02] <soulrider> it fucked all ym java sources up
[02:02] <soulrider> my*
[02:03] <mossman> You may need french support installed with KDE. N ot sure.  The default Langaue has always been the one I use
[02:03] <soulrider> its spanisha ctually
[02:04] <soulrider> the thing is, in eclipse i see a ? sign
[02:04] <soulrider> but i can just got here and replace it for the correct letter
[02:04] <soulrider> like i see this: vlido
[02:04] <soulrider> but i can replace it for vlido
[02:04] <Dasnipa`> 
[02:04] <soulrider> and  thats how it wouild look on widnows
[02:04] <soulrider> BRB
[02:08] <RadiantFire> what happens if you replace it and go back to windows and opne it
[02:10] <mossman> h3sp4wn Are you around?
[02:11] <soulrider> im back
[02:11] <soulrider> i dont know
[02:11] <soulrider> but i guess it will be screwed up
[02:12] <h3sp4wn> mossman: yes
[02:12] <mossman> would you join me on channel mossman for a min.  I would like to ask you a question?
[02:14] <h3sp4wn> I am there
[02:15] <maxi_> hey
[02:15] <maxi_> !java
[02:15] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[02:16] <jc> hi
[02:16] <rolando> hi
[02:16] <rolando> what guide  would you recommend to follow to install ati drivers in kubuntu??
[02:17] <h3sp4wn> !ati
[02:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:17] <rolando> ive googled for a while and they say different things in each place, so is there an official guide or the most up to date?
[02:17] <Raito> For some odd reason, I don't get internet in kubuntu anymore. I had internet perfectly fine before, but then I half installed debian and half installed fedora core, since both of them failed I came back to kubuntu and to my surprise, I had no internet. I tried setting up a static ip but that didn't work either. What might have caused this?
[02:18] <rolando> thanx ubotu
[02:18] <wckdkl0wn> how do i install flash 9 for firefox?
[02:19] <rolando> wckdkl0wn: im not sure you can
[02:20] <crimsun> not for Linux you can't.
[02:21] <wolfmanz> flash 9 is being worked on but not out yet
[02:22] <Hawkwind> Flash 9 won't be out til after the first of the year
[02:22] <rolando> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/07/bedraggled_earlobe_hammer.html
[02:24] <h3sp4wn> If you need flash9 I suppose buying crossover office is the only current working method
[02:24] <visik7> flash9 player ?
[02:24] <visik7> or what ?
[02:26] <visik7> btw benguin.swf is about the develop of the player
[02:27] <bobbyyu> I have a problem... can't access my floppies
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> visik7: even they only appear to support flash 7 player
[02:28] <visik7> who ?
[02:28] <visik7> penguin.swf ?
[02:29] <visik7> no they are developing flash8/9 player
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> codeweavers
[02:29] <visik7> dunno about codeweavers
[02:30] <visik7> and I don't understand if you are talking about player or ide
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> player (not that it bothers me particularly)
[02:34] <InstallInProgres> Installing Kubuntu right now at work - after weirdness with fc4 - hope the hd is not getting ready to fail - wanted to upfgrade anyway just NOT TODAY - oh well - sigh -  I really want to get Xen working too - hope it's easy I'm getting sick of fighting with it on every new distro I encounter
[02:34] <InstallInProgres> Should be an interesting first experience with Kubuntu
[02:35] <kdeiip> wow - gotta reboot - that was fast!
[02:35] <kdeiip> Guess that means I will need to do a ton of installs to find all my favorite apps :-(
[02:35] <kdeiip> later!
[02:36] <Kyral> Xen
[02:36] <Kyral> ...damn he left
[02:36] <visik7> xen isn't easy to get it working at all
[02:36] <Kyral> Actually it is
[02:36] <visik7> btw not impossible
[02:36] <supernix> Xen sounds very complicated
[02:36] <visik7> and there are guides to get it working
[02:36] <visik7> like the one on howtoforge
[02:36] <supernix> that whole mess about a system inside a system and such
[02:37] <Kyral> and the Xen Manual is very nice
[02:37] <macd> why not just goto xensource and read.
[02:37] <Kyral> though I don't trust distro packages worth a damn
[02:37] <macd> very easy to setup and configure both host and "symbiote" systems
[02:37] <Kyral> I always compile from source tarball
[02:37] <Kyral> the proper term for a "symbiote" system is either domU or XenGuest
[02:38] <Kyral> extract tarball to /usr/src
[02:38] <Kyral> make world
[02:38] <Kyral> make install
[02:38] <Kyral> DONE!
[02:38] <Kyral> well aside from making the domUs....
[02:38] <visik7> and configuring a good dom0 kernel
[02:38] <visik7> that isn't so easy
[02:38] <Kyral> yah
[02:38] <Kyral> I get it working FIRST
[02:38] <Philip5> if anyone here is interested to try the lastest builds from the Enlightenment 17 cvs then you are welcome to test my deb builds for *ubuntu dapper. the repo contains the following builds: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19445
[02:38] <Kyral> then make a copy of the kernel and play with that
[02:39] <Kyral> I add in all the IPTables stuff, then strip it down incredibly for the system
[02:39] <visik7> Philip5: does e17 take advantages from 3d accell ?
[02:40] <Philip5> visik7: not in itself yet... i think
[02:40] <Kyral> oh for Xen stuff on Freenode, join ##xen
[02:40] <visik7> or go to oftc
[02:40] <Kyral> oftc?
[02:40] <Kyral> meh I'm too lazy to connect to another network
[02:41] <Philip5> if you want to try the repo with E17 then add this source line to your /etc/apt/source.list 'deb http://seerofsouls.com/ dapper e17'
[02:41] <h3sp4wn> visik7: evas supports an opengl rendering backend (don't know how stable it is though)
[02:41] <visik7> F2 is too complicated ?
[02:41] <Kyral> YES!
[02:41] <Kyral> heheeh
[02:41] <aeon17x> the openoffice quickstarter also works in kde, yay
[02:41] <Kyral> I'm a lazy bastard
[02:41] <visik7> asd
[02:41] <Kyral> and I'm watching anime!
[02:41] <Kyral> ASD?
[02:41] <aeon17x> just to have copy it from ~/.config/autostart
[02:42] <visik7> lol
[02:42] <Kyral> did you just misspell "ass"?
[02:42] <visik7> no
[02:42] <visik7> asd is like to say lol
[02:42] <Kyral> ah
[02:42] <Kyral> use standard webslang!
[02:43] <visik7> Kyral: is standard somewhere
[02:44] <visik7> standards are goods this is why everybody make their
[02:47] <Raito> For some odd reason, I don't get internet in kubuntu anymore. I had internet perfectly fine before, but then I half installed debian and half installed fedora core, since both of them failed I came back to kubuntu and to my surprise, I had no internet. I tried setting up a static ip but that didn't work either. What might have caused this?
[02:47] <rikioh> ok i just installed kubuntu but i dont remmber it asking me for a username and password during the installation i left the computer name as ubuntu how can i figure out my username and password
[02:48] <rikioh> or change them
[02:48] <rikioh> i installed with the alt cd
[02:53] <BluesKaj> Raito, have you tried configging the dhcp thru the system hardware settings in admin mode ?
[02:54] <Raito> BluesKaj: No, how would I do that? (But that won't help with a static ip, I ussually use a static ip for portforwarding even though I have DHCP)
[02:55] <BluesKaj> well, try dynamic if yer behind a router
[02:56] <Raito> BluesKaj: So where is the dpch configuration through admin mode?
[02:56] <apeman2020> I need some help with a PHP / MYSQL error.. any takers?
[02:58] <BluesKaj> dunno the advatages of static IP settings , that's beyond me
[02:58] <Raito> BluesKaj: So I can portforward >_>
[02:59] <BluesKaj> do you use a speedstream router ?
[03:00] <BluesKaj> have you tried rebooting the router?
[03:01] <BluesKaj> that solved my prob after installed gnome a little earlier today...no internet
[03:02] <Raito> BluesKaj, I'll try rebooting the router, that always seems to work.
[03:02] <BluesKaj> yup, 90%of the time it does for me too :)
[03:03] <BluesKaj> being on sympatico
[03:03] <Raito> I have sympatico too
[03:04] <BluesKaj> yeah I saw yer login
[03:07] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...
[03:08] <m_tadeu> is there a way to set a second user with permissions to use sudo?
[03:20] <proudfoot> m_tadeu - give them your root password?
[03:20] <proudfoot> m_tadeu - all users can use sudo
[03:21] <basilio> hello, from ubuntu linux, how is it possible to burn ISO images to CD or DVD
[03:21] <basilio> is there available software for this
[03:21] <proudfoot> try K3b...
[03:23] <BluesKaj> multimedia in the k-menu , basilio
[03:23] <BluesKaj> or gnome menu
[03:25] <basilio> in the "Places" it has CD and DVD creator
[03:25] <basilio> is that ok for ISO's
[03:26] <BluesKaj> not places, applications
[03:29] <soulrider> any programmers here :P
[03:29] <soulrider> i need a bit of help :P
[03:30] <soulrider> nevermind
[03:30] <arcus> the 'CD and DVD creator' in Places is part of Nautilus (well, with the Gnome desktop)
[03:31] <tulga> i cannot install WTP on Eclipse. I'm using kubuntu dapper. howto install WTP?
[03:31] <arcus> so says the help.
[03:31] <arcus> which I don't think will be useful for burning ISOs, it seems more to be about backing up your files to CD/DVD
[03:32] <basilio> i dont see GNOME menu
[03:33] <arcus> basilio: there isn't one - I'm just referring to the fact that I'm using 'ubuntu' rather than 'kubuntu' - so the menu items might not be exactly the same.
[03:33] <basilio> i am using ubuntu
[03:33] <soulrider> basilio: whata re you trying to do ???
[03:33] <rikioh> ok after installation it takes the disc out reboots boots up kubuntu or starts too the bar loads all the way then the screen goes black then the kubuntu banner is back again and the bar is darker and it doesnt do anything
[03:33] <basilio> burn ISO
[03:34] <rikioh> its just froze there
[03:34] <soulrider> KDe or GNO;E ?
[03:34] <soulrider> KDE or GNOME
[03:34] <arcus> basilio: you should try k3b, as BluesKaj suggested.
[03:34] <soulrider> i was ognna sayt hat
[03:34] <soulrider> press alt and space
[03:34] <soulrider> and then type k3b and press enter
[03:35] <rikioh> can anyone help me with my error
[03:35] <BluesKaj> basilio, do you see  applications in the panel ?
[03:35] <rikioh> when its booting up its mounting and all that and the blue bar fills all the way up.. then the screen blinks black and the bar is empty again and its just sitting there frozen
[03:35] <soulrider> rikioh: sorry, i dont know
[03:35] <arcus> basilio: a menu called 'applications'.
[03:35] <rikioh> :(
[03:35] <rikioh> ive been trying to get kubuntu installed for like a week now
[03:36] <rikioh> or i guess run
[03:36] <rikioh> i got it installed
[03:36] <basilio> i will download the kb3
[03:36] <soulrider> no need to download
[03:36] <soulrider> press alt+space
[03:36] <ro3> i'm a ubuntu user, i just installed kde for ubuntu, where do i put commands of programs i want to start at startup?
[03:36] <soulrider> and then type k3b
[03:36] <soulrider> konsole ?
[03:36] <BluesKaj> basilio, if it's gnome its at the top of the screen , then it'll be in media
[03:36] <ro3> automaticallt
[03:36] <basilio> i am getting it in Add/Remove program
[03:37] <OOD> you should already have it
[03:37] <BluesKaj> media!
[03:37] <arcus> soulrider: I don't think that works on the ubuntu (gnome) desktop
[03:37] <ro3> no one knows?
[03:37] <soulrider> im using KDE :P
[03:38] <ro3> ?
[03:38] <RadiantFire> ro3: its in session
[03:39] <RadiantFire> ro3: system->preferences->session
[03:39] <RadiantFire> 3rd tab
[03:39] <ro3> i'm usin KDE!
[03:39] <RadiantFire> i just saw gnome!
[03:39] <RadiantFire> argh!
[03:39] <ro3> not gnome
[03:39] <RadiantFire> ok
[03:39] <RadiantFire> ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:39] <RadiantFire> make a short shell script that runs apps
[03:39] <ro3> and put the command in there?
[03:39] <ro3> oh ok
[03:39] <ro3> great,, thanks
[03:40] <soulrider> wait
[03:40] <ro3> ?
[03:40] <soulrider> i donwloaded a small application tod ot hat
[03:40] <ro3> what?
[03:40] <soulrider> let me get the name
[03:40] <ro3> ok
[03:40] <RadiantFire> yeah, don't forget to start with #!/bin/sh and make the file excecutable
[03:41] <soulrider> do a sudo apt-get install autostart
[03:41] <ro3> ok, thanks man
[03:41] <ro3> peace
[03:42] <soulrider> then you just go to the control center andt heres a module there
[03:42] <ro3> ok
[03:46] <Bonez> hi i'm currently streaming my DVB card via Kaffeine, but am trying to work out how to view the stream on a windows xp pc. can anyone give me a tip on what media player/codecs etc are needed on the winxp machine?
[03:46] <Bonez> i can't find any info anywhere about kaffeine
[03:48] <Bonez> can anyone help?
[03:49] <soulrider> sorry, i dont know :(
[03:50] <xwolf-> arg. konversation is ages behind xchat, and xchat takes ages to do its tasks
[03:52] <soulrider> never tried xchat
[03:52] <RawSewage> what are you talking about
[03:52] <BluesKaj> konversation werks fer me ...xchat is ok but i prefer Konver
[03:52] <RawSewage> Konversatoin is great
[03:53] <xwolf-> nope
[03:53] <xwolf-> konversation is Good, nothing more.
[03:53] <andriijas> how do i fix permissions to allow my self to burn cds with k3b?
[03:53] <andriijas> add my self to the cdrom group?
[03:53] <andriijas> no. im already  a member of that group :o
[03:54] <BluesKaj> well xwolf , yer welcome to it :)
[03:55] <andriijas> problem solved.
[03:56] <james___> hello all
[03:56] <BluesKaj> hey james___
[03:56] <soulrider> hi james___
[03:57] <james___> anyone know an easy way to switch between KDE and Gnome on login?
[03:57] <soulrider> im so happy, tomorrow im getting a new comp! :D
[03:57] <BluesKaj> in the menu below the login pw
[03:57] <soulrider> ill ahve like 240 GB of HD :D
[03:58] <BluesKaj> for games , soulrider ?
[03:58] <james___> I added Gnome from Adept but it is not appearing on that menu
[03:58] <soulrider> warez :D
[03:58] <soulrider> and yes, ill install games
[03:59] <BluesKaj> have rebooted completely since the gnome install
[03:59] <james___> hmm...ithought, but not 100% sure
[03:59] <BluesKaj> try that
[04:00] <james___> cool...thanx
[04:05] <Tib> abattoir:allo!
[04:05] <soulrider> uhm
[04:05] <soulrider> you know how KDE can show a random wallapper ?
[04:05] <Tib> hello
[04:05] <clojster> hello, after upgrading from ubuntu to Kubuntu, I've installed KDM. It starts ok, but doesn't start any session like KDE nor Gnome. Where can be the problem?
[04:05] <soulrider> ia dded around a GB of pics.. do you think it was a bad idea to add thema ll at once?
[04:05] <SeanTater> soulrider: are they in one folder?
[04:05] <omeow> clojster, which package did you install?
[04:06] <clojster> omeow: kdm
[04:06] <omeow> You should install kubuntu-desktop I believe.
[04:06] <clojster> yep
[04:06] <Tib> clojster: your .xinitrc?
[04:06] <SeanTater> soulrider: I have exactly the same thing, excapt I have ~2GB pics (30,000 or so)
[04:06] <clojster> I've installed it
[04:06] <abattoir> Tib: hi :).... Let me guess you said hi because my nick sounds french? :P
[04:06] <SeanTater> soulrider: okay, maybe not 30,000
[04:06] <clojster> Tib wait
[04:06] <soulrider> well
[04:06] <soulrider> KDe crashed lol
[04:06] <soulrider> my background is black
[04:06] <soulrider> and i cant see my icons
[04:06] <Tib> abattoir: i am french
[04:06] <soulrider> how can i restore it ?
[04:06] <SeanTater> soulrider: no icons?
[04:07] <SeanTater> soulrider: okay, start a terminal
[04:07] <abattoir> Tib: yes, that much i figured out... but why say hi to me, out of the 224 other people here?
[04:07] <Tib> abattoir: i am french canadian
[04:07] <SeanTater> soulrider: type in kdesktop and press enter
[04:07] <soulrider> ok
[04:07] <clojster> Tib: i don't have xinitrc in my home folder
[04:07] <soulrider> LOL
[04:07] <Tib> abattoir: i guess we were more in contact
[04:07] <soulrider> so easy!
[04:07] <abattoir> Tib: aah, then i must know you... you must have changed your nick...
[04:08] <clojster> i'm entering init 4 by default
[04:08] <SeanTater> soulrider: what happened is that the desktop did not start, you started it manually
[04:08] <Tib> abattoir: i am pierreth!
[04:08] <abattoir> Tib: yes, now it makes sense :)
[04:08] <Tib> abattoir: sorry!
[04:08] <Hawkwind> abattoir: You ever use the E17 window manager ?
[04:08] <Tib> clojster: it is called .xinitrc
[04:09] <clojster> Tib: I know...
[04:09] <soulrider> thanks sean
[04:09] <abattoir> Hawkwind: nope, i'm a kde addict :)
[04:09] <clojster> Tib: it's hidden file
[04:09] <SeanTater> soulrider: just to note, don;t select each picture individually or even select all, just pressing ok while the directory is selected will make it do a slide show of all the pictures inside it
[04:09] <soulrider> :O
[04:09] <soulrider> i selected them all....
[04:09] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Dang you!  I need some testers for the E17 I now have on my http://SeerOfSouls.com/ site
[04:09] <SeanTater> soulrider: however,
[04:09] <SeanTater> soulrider: there is a catch
[04:09] <Tib> clojster: yes, you know how to see them
[04:09] <Hawkwind> s/E17/E17 repo
[04:09] <abattoir> Hawkwind: i think h3sp4wn does
[04:10] <Tib> abattoir: i am on xfce now
[04:10] <clojster> Tib: but why should help you this file when i'm using sessions... I'm entering directly runlevel 4
[04:10] <SeanTater> soulrider: all the pictures must be in that folder, it does not count the folders under that folder
[04:10] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Yeah, but he compiles from CVS.  You can either use debs or CVS, you can't mix :(
[04:10] <soulrider> yea
[04:10] <soulrider> i gto a folder called wallapepers lol
[04:10] <clojster> Tib: and i dont have .xinitrc in my home dir
[04:10] <soulrider> it has like 1.2 gigs of abstract wallpapers
[04:10] <SeanTater> soulrider: I had kdesktop have lost of problems by selecting all
[04:10] <abattoir> Hawkwind: hmmm, if i had the space i could partition my drive a bit more and try it out....
[04:10] <SeanTater> soulrider: it also instantly works
[04:10] <soulrider> yea
[04:10] <Hawkwind> Anyone in here interested in testing an E17(Enlightenment-DR17) repo by chance ?
[04:10] <SeanTater> soulrider: does not take 30 mins to index
[04:10] <Tib> clojster: it must be another script file then
[04:10] <abattoir> Hawkwind: there are for ubuntu?(ebuntu :P)
[04:11] <SeanTater> soulrider: good!
[04:11] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Built on Kubuntu, for all *buntu derivatives.
[04:11] <abattoir> *these are for
[04:11] <soulrider> thanks for the help!
[04:11] <SeanTater> soulrider: having them all in a folder called wallpapers would work well
[04:11] <Hawkwind> abattoir: I wish I could get these accepted into ebuntu :P
[04:11] <SeanTater> soulrider: glad to be ghelpful
[04:11] <soulrider> ^_^
[04:11] <SeanTater> soulrider: /helpful/
[04:11] <SeanTater> soulrider: :D
[04:11] <Tib> abattoir: kde was too slow
[04:11] <abattoir> Tib: on a mac mini, right?
[04:12] <abattoir> Hawkwind: is the project even alive?
[04:12] <Tib> abattoir: right
[04:12] <soulrider> lol
[04:12] <Hawkwind> abattoir: It was.  Their site says it will be an official Canonical project by time Dapper+1 is released
[04:12] <Tib> abattoir: but may the problem is only when the task bar is on the right side of the screen
[04:13] <Tib> Tib: the buttons were slow to draw
[04:13] <Tib> abattoir: for the rest, it was fast
[04:13] <abattoir> Hawkwind: i remember someone speaking of reviving it....
[04:13] <abattoir> Tib: *only* when the kicker was on the right?
[04:14] <Tib> abattoir: yes, the buttons were drawing slowly on the kicker
[04:14] <abattoir> Tib: ATi? installed the drivers?
[04:15] <abattoir> Tib: ok, brb
[04:15] <Tib> abattoir: why are they drawing fast when the kicker is at the bottom of the screen?
[04:15] <Tib> abattoir: i am not konversation
[04:15] <Tib> abattoir: i don't have the tab short cut
[04:16] <Tib> abattoir: may be I should install it
[04:17] <Tib> abattoir: i don't know about the driver
[04:18] <ro3> how can i make gaim, gajim, and amarok startup automatically at startup?how can i make gaim, gajim, and amarok startup automatically at startup?how can i make gaim, gajim, and amarok startup automatically at startup?
[04:18] <ro3> whoops
[04:19] <damian_> ro3
[04:20] <damian_> damn
[04:20] <damian_> he left
[04:26] <wolfmanz> ro3 click on the system tray and then panel menu and add them from there
[04:28] <TheHighChild> Anyone use knode?
[04:31] <rikioh> ok so before the login screen where its loading kubuntu the last thing that it says for me before the bar fills up is loading system log.... then the bar goes empty and it appears as if its doing nothing for a while.... next it says restarting system log over and over and over
[04:31] <TheHighChild> ro3 Kmenu > run command > "kdesu konqueror"  Then navigate to /usr/share/autostart and drag and drop the application icons from kmenu into there. Or you can use kcontrol-autostart or add the apps to ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:31] <rikioh> and never gets to the login screen
[04:32] <Hawkwind> Why is everyone talking to ro3 when he left 10 minutes ago :P
[04:32] <rikioh> im not im still having problems
[04:32] <TheHighChild> rikioh: During the startup, press ctrl + alt + f1 to bring up a failsafe terminal, see if you can get an specific error message. To get back to the GUI ctrl + alt + f7
[04:32] <Tib> abattoir:?
[04:32] <rikioh> kk high child
[04:33] <TheHighChild> my bad, i answer questions, not babysit anxious IRC cats
[04:33] <CVirus> does the restricted repos. has dapper-security updates like the main repos. ?
[04:33] <Hawkwind> LOL TheHighChild
[04:33] <Ash-Fox-> Is there a way I can get KDE's file associations to synchronised with.. well whatever firefox/thunderbird uses for file associations? If so, how?
[04:41] <rikioh> ok high child there was no error message when i did ctr.alt.f1
[04:41] <rikioh> but it did have ubuntu login:
[04:41] <rikioh> then password
[04:41] <rikioh> it signed me in
[04:42] <rikioh> then i hit ctrl.alt.f7 and it just had a blank screen with the underscore blinking
[04:42] <rikioh> and did nothing
[04:43] <rikioh> anyone help?
[04:44] <Tib> it is late now
[04:44] <Tib> it is rainning outside
[04:44] <Tib> better chance tomorrow
[04:45] <rikioh> nvm then tib ill go to ubuntu
[04:45] <TheHighChild> rikioh: It's ctrl + alt + f8, very sorry
[04:45] <rikioh> oh
[04:45] <rikioh> kk ill try that
[04:45] <TheHighChild> wait
[04:45] <rikioh> yes?
[04:45] <Hawkwind> f8  ???
[04:46] <Hawkwind> ctrl-alt-f7 is the X server
[04:46] <Hawkwind> There won't be anything on F8
[04:46] <Hawkwind> Except a blinking cursor
[04:46] <Hawkwind> Heh
[04:46] <TheHighChild> Have you googled the forums at all? yeah, i am telling him how to view the system information during startup
[04:46] <rikioh> well a blinking cursor was on f7 too
[04:46] <rikioh> cuz it looked froze so i did f1
[04:46] <Hawkwind> System info isn't on F8 though.  F8 won't have anything unless he starts a second X session
[04:46] <Tib> i am back...
[04:47] <rikioh> and typed in username and pass... it loged
[04:47] <rikioh> through console
[04:47] <rikioh> then i hit f7
[04:47] <rikioh> and it only had a blinking cursor
[04:47] <TheHighChild> Hawkwind: Well, that's how I always view mine.
[04:47] <Hawkwind> rikioh: When you logged in with your username and password, it would take you to X or a KDM login screen
[04:47] <TheHighChild> It shows the startup processes and their status, when it hangs on one, you can see it
[04:47] <Hawkwind> rikioh: You shouldn't be hitting ctrl-alt-f7 or anything
[04:47] <rikioh> ok hers the story :)
[04:47] <Hawkwind> TheHighChild: That's ctrl-alt-f1 where it shows that
[04:48] <rikioh> it does the kubuntu loading screen loads everything then the blue bar goes empty and it sits there forever
[04:48] <Tib> hello
[04:48] <rikioh> occassionally saying restarting system log
[04:48] <rikioh> but thats it
[04:48] <rikioh> it never makes it to the login screen
[04:48] <Tib> i am using konversation on mac os
[04:48] <Hawkwind> rikioh: Did you try hitting ctrl-c at that point ?
[04:48] <rikioh> then i hit ctr.alt.f1
[04:48] <TheHighChild> Hawkwind: Apparently not because it doesn't for me and it didn't for rikioh. I do the combo right now and see the last thing is "startking kdm display" "preparing for thinkpad use"
[04:48] <rikioh> what would ctrl.c do?
[04:49] <Hawkwind> rikioh: It might get you past that point where it stops
[04:49] <rikioh> ok i will go try that
[04:49] <rikioh> be back in a minute :)
[04:49] <rikioh> thank you again
[04:49] <Hawkwind> TheHighChild: Then you have something messed up.  All linux distros use F1 screen for logs, then F7 is X.  Unless you start a second X session, nothing will ever be on F8, ever
[04:50] <TheHighChild> I disagree. I've never messed with my failsafes and every Kubuntu intsall has acted in the same way, even my brothers as well
[04:50] <Hawkwind> TheHighChild: Strange.  I have nothing on F8 currently.  Haven't for 4 1/2+ years unless I start a second X session
[04:51] <TheHighChild> Not even sure how to start a second session
[04:51] <Tib> how can I start the kicker without kde?
[04:51] <Hawkwind> TheHighChild: startx -- :2
[04:51] <Hawkwind> Tib: In a terminal type: kicker
[04:51] <Hawkwind> Tib: Or kicker &
[04:51] <Tib> doh!
[04:51] <Tib> Hawkwind: thank you!
[04:52] <Hawkwind> Tib: You're welcome
[04:52] <abattoir> Tib: am back...
[04:53] <Hawkwind> Run!
[04:53] <Hawkwind> Oh wait...sorry :P
[04:53] <abattoir> hehe
[04:53] <Tib> abattoir: i just made a build of konversation!
[04:53] <Tib> abattoir: to get the tab shortcut
[04:54] <Tib> abattoir: i am running kde on mac os
[04:54] <abattoir> Tib: using 'dpkg-buildpkg' ?
[04:54] <abattoir> or whatever it is :P
[04:54] <TheHighChild> Hawkwind: What file is the failsafe config in?
[04:54] <abattoir> Tib: aah, that's cool :)
[04:54] <Tib> abattoir: now, i used fink
[04:54] <Hawkwind> TheHighChild: I really don't know to be honest
[04:54] <rikioh> well ctrl c did nothing
[04:54] <abattoir> Tib: an Intel Mac... or a PPC?
[04:54] <rikioh> its stil frozen there
[04:54] <Tib> abattoir: open source is cool, you can do what we want!
[04:55] <rikioh> hawkwind what would you do in my situation
[04:55] <abattoir> Tib: indeed :)
[04:55] <Tib> abattoir: on a powerpc
[04:55] <rikioh> reformat and re install?
[04:55] <Hawkwind> rikioh: This a fresh install ?
[04:55] <rikioh> yes
[04:55] <rikioh> never used
[04:55] <Hawkwind> rikioh: abattoir is much more experienced than I am so he might can tell you something
[04:55] <Tib> abattoir: linux on ppc is not cool :-(
[04:55] <cpk2> any idea why i would lose my screen after stopping kdm?
[04:55] <TheHighChild> I remember on Fedora core, it was f1 but It's always been f8 for me on Kubuntu and I've performed several installs. Not sure why it would be different.
[04:55] <Hawkwind> rikioh: I've only been using Kubuntu for about a month
[04:55] <cpk2> i had to login and then reboot blind
[04:55] <abattoir> Hawkwind: heh, LOL
[04:55] <Tib> abattoir: i have to build everything
[04:56] <Hawkwind> rikioh: Have you installed any kind of nvidia/ati drivers ?
[04:56] <rikioh> no
[04:56] <Tib> abattoir: I even have to build the tools needed to build :-(
[04:56] <rikioh> ive never even made it to the login screen
[04:56] <mistik1> hey Hawkwind
[04:56] <mistik1> have you made the switch?
[04:56] <rikioh> it freezes before the login screen
[04:56] <Hawkwind> rikioh: So you installed, booted the box and it stops at starting the logging system ?
[04:56] <TheHighChild> cpk2 your windowing system is KDE, kdm is the process that runs it. If you want to retstart it sudo /etc/init.d/kdm {stop-start-restart} any of those options
[04:57] <Tib> abattoir: ?
[04:57] <abattoir> rikioh: iirc, i asked you to try the 'safe boot' thing yesterday... that too freezes? or have you finished installation?
[04:57] <Hawkwind> mistik1: Yep, about a month ago.  I stepped down as op of #Mandriva after 3+ years as well
[04:57] <KVirus> where does apt put the files retreived by apt-get update and are they safe to be deleted ?
[04:57] <mistik1> Hawkwind: wow
[04:57] <abattoir> Tib: those are the downfalls... :(
[04:57] <rikioh> i gave up on that pc abattoir and i successfully installed it on this pc
[04:57] <Hawkwind> mistik1: Just setup my first deb repo on SoS tonight :P
[04:57] <rikioh> everything is booting fine then right when the bar fills up it freezes
[04:57] <rikioh> and never goes to the login screen
[04:57] <Tib> abattoir: yes, i will have to buy a new computer to be on linux :-(
[04:57] <mistik1> Hawkwind: awesome man
[04:57] <rikioh> it just keeps saying restarting system log
[04:57] <Hawkwind> mistik1: SoS already gets 1.7 million hits a month, now it'll get alot more since I'm expanding it
[04:57] <abattoir> rikioh: did you check the CD for defects?
[04:58] <Tib> abattoir: i don't have the money to do so now
[04:58] <rikioh> yes none were found
[04:58] <rikioh> im not even using the cd right now
[04:58] <rikioh> this is just off my hdd
[04:58] <abattoir> Tib: what happened to your kubuntu installation
[04:58] <Tib> abattoir: it was too slow
[04:58] <abattoir> rikioh: and the last (error) message is?
[04:58] <abattoir> Tib: aah, yes, the kicker
[04:58] <soulrider> Hawkwind: whats SoS?
[04:58] <Tib> abattoir: i formatted my drive
[04:58] <Hawkwind> soulrider: http://SeerOfSouls.com/
[04:59] <TheHighChild> KVirus: debs are stored in here /var/cache/apt/archives and you can clear them out with 'apt-get clean'
[04:59] <Tib> abattoir: but i will try again
[04:59] <rikioh> i get no error messages abattoir.... it just says restarting system log over and over
[04:59] <h3sp4wn> Tib: Try kanotix or xubuntu (they will run alot faster)
[04:59] <Hawkwind> soulrider: It's my site I started a couple years back.  It's currently the largest 3rd party rpm repository for Mandriva.  I'm expanding it by adding debs too
[04:59] <Tib> abattoir: xubuntu is what i have installed now
[04:59] <soulrider> cool
[04:59] <Tib> abattoir: xfce is fast and light
[04:59] <soulrider> debs :) thanks for us! :)
[05:00] <bigbill52a> i am using an old hp computer with 350mhz pentium 2 and 256 megs rams with usb adapter and everything works fine...with just a 6 gig hd.  I installed most of the automatix and still have 2 gig left...did it to see if it would work...
[05:00] <Tib> abattoir: i can use konversation with xfce too
[05:00] <rikioh> abattoir should i just reinstall again?
[05:00] <bigbill52a> usb wireless adapter...
[05:00] <abattoir> rikioh: you didnt get any error messages during installation right? also what video card?
[05:00] <soulrider> Hawkwind:  looks cool, but i dont quite like the logo :P
[05:00] <abattoir> Tib: indeed :)
[05:00] <KVirus> guys i got an error during apt-get update and now the error doesnt appear any more .. is it safe ?
[05:00] <Hawkwind> soulrider: Good thing everyone has their own opinion :P
[05:00] <rikioh> radeon x850xt pcie
[05:01] <h3sp4wn> Tib: What spec is the computer ? I am running kde fine on a 256mb p3 800 laptop with kanotix (but kubuntu was too slow for some reason)
[05:01] <rikioh> and no .. no errors
[05:01] <soulrider> Hawkwind: if you ever decide to geta new one maybe i can help, im not too abd with photoshop :P
[05:01] <Tib> h3sp4wn: i have a ppc running at 1,5GHz
[05:02] <abattoir> rikioh: so you havent booted even once into this PC... right?
[05:02] <Hawkwind> soulrider: I'll keep that in mind.  I can't draw a straight line with two rulers side by side.  Heaven forbid if I open up Gimp or anything :P
[05:02] <Tib> h3sp4wn: everything was fast in kde...
[05:02] <rikioh> nope never made it to the login screen
[05:02] <rikioh> not once
[05:02] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: You're compiling E17 from CVS aren't ya ?
[05:02] <soulrider> lol
[05:02] <Tib> h3sp4wn: but the drawing of the button...
[05:02] <Tib> h3sp4wn: when the kicker is at the right side of the screen
[05:03] <soulrider> is there a CL IRC client ?
[05:03] <h3sp4wn> Tib: Those issues existed for me on dapper but not on debian
[05:03] <soulrider> they look cool :P
[05:03] <h3sp4wn> soulrider: irssi
[05:03] <soulrider> yay, cool
[05:03] <Tib> h3sp4wn: ok, this is a distribution problem so...
[05:03] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Other than evolume edk_server empower yes
[05:04] <Tib> h3sp4wn: my mac is very fast, everything is fast on my machine
[05:04] <abattoir> rikioh: does Ctrl+Alt+F1/F2/F3... etc. give you terminals?
[05:05] <rikioh> when it appears frozen up f1 prings up a console (dos like) and it asks for ubuntu username i type it in then password i type it in it logs in then i hit f7 and its just a blinking underscore
[05:05] <rikioh> f8 does the same
[05:07] <Tib> good night folks!
[05:07] <rikioh> it logs in and leaves me at the promt
[05:07] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Why ?
[05:07] <rikioh> logged in
[05:07] <Hawkwind> Tib: Good night
[05:07] <rikioh> but i cant get graphics at that point
[05:07] <abattoir> rikioh: try 'dmesg' after you login... se if there are any explicit error messages regarding h/w
[05:07] <abattoir> *see if
[05:07] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: I am in the process of setting up a deb repo for E17 on my http://SeerOfSouls.com/ site
[05:07] <rikioh> kki im gonna go try it
[05:07] <h3sp4wn> Hawkind: For edgy ?
[05:08] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: No, for Dapper
[05:09] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: but you have the source there also ?
[05:09] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Yeppers. Take a look here:  http://SeerOfSouls.com/dists
[05:09] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: so I could just use apt-get -b source (from the deb-src to use it with edgy)
[05:09] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: We are still working on getting a few kinks out, but it's all there
[05:10] <soulrider> Hawkwind: doy ou get money from the banners? if so, il go and click a few :P
[05:10] <soulrider> then you send em those cents :P
[05:10] <abattoir> hehe
[05:10] <Hawkwind> soulrider: I do from the google ads, certainly
[05:10] <soulrider> cool
[05:11] <abattoir> soulrider: wasnt that a 'send me' ? :P
[05:11] <soulrider> yea, lol
[05:11] <soulrider> i cant type
[05:11] <soulrider> i stillc ant figure out how i can program without problems
[05:12] <soulrider> really strange...
[05:12] <Ignite_> soulrider, what language?
[05:12] <soulrider> java
[05:12] <Ignite_> ah, can't help you there, sorry
[05:12] <soulrider> :(
[05:12] <soulrider> i just had my first semester of programming
[05:13] <soulrider> but i lvoed it, and did very well
[05:13] <Ignite_> :D
[05:13] <soulrider> i stillc ant make GUIs but thats this semester :)
[05:13] <soulrider> i even made a text minesweeper :P
[05:13] <Ignite_> hehe
[05:14] <soulrider> today i made a program thatw ill invert the letters in any word of a phrase you imput
[05:14] <soulrider> made it to piss off my friend :)
[05:14] <Ignite_> :)
[05:14] <soulrider> what lanugaje do you prorgram in ?
[05:15] <Ignite_> C++ mainly
[05:15] <soulrider> ah, it hink i will eb using C++ later
[05:15] <Ignite_> :)
[05:15] <soulrider> ill ask you :P
[05:15] <Ignite_> <3 C++
[05:15] <soulrider> do you think if i oper the kubuntu DVD theyll send it to me? :-/
[05:15] <soulrider> considreing im int he middle of nowhere :P
[05:16] <Ignite_> oper? you mean order?
[05:16] <soulrider> yea lol
[05:16] <soulrider> order*
[05:16] <Ignite_> yeah probably :)
[05:16] <Ignite_> well
[05:16] <soulrider> maybe i was thinking of opera
[05:16] <Ignite_> if your paying, why wouldn't they? :P
[05:16] <soulrider> i thought it was free
[05:17] <Ignite_> the CDs are
[05:17] <Ignite_> but you have to buy the DVD on amazon
[05:17] <soulrider> oh
[05:17] <soulrider> i hate the fuckers at the mail here
[05:17] <Ignite_> why?
[05:17] <soulrider> i ordered lost in translation and both kill bill movies
[05:17] <soulrider> and the MOTHER FUCKERS stole the kill bill dVDs
[05:18] <Ignite_> damn, how come? (might wanna watch the language ;)
[05:18] <soulrider> considering kill bill is my fav movie, ig ot SO pissed
[05:18] <soulrider> oh yea, sorry
[05:18] <soulrider> dunno, but the people at the mail must die!
[05:18] <Ignite_> xD
[05:18] <soulrider> seriously, kill bill is to good, theyc ant do soemhting like that to me :'(
[05:18] <soulrider> luckily the people from amazon gave me my money back
[05:19] <soulrider> i saved for a long time to get those dollars :(
[05:19] <Ignite_> lol
[05:19] <Hawkwind> soulrider: Language please
[05:19] <soulrider> seriously...
[05:19] <soulrider> sorry... 0=)
[05:19] <Hawkwind> And all of this really should be in #Kubuntu-OffTopic
[05:20] <soulrider> k, sorry, ill stop
[05:22] <soulrider> that mkaes more sense
[05:23] <wckdkl0wn> how would i upgrade ktorrent to the latest application?
[05:23] <soulrider> adept ?
[05:23] <Ignite_> wckdkl0wn, you might need the kubuntu repo for the latest KDE version, not sure
[05:24] <wckdkl0wn> its in the repos though?
[05:24] <Ignite_> wckdkl0wn, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php
[05:26] <wckdkl0wn> say i downloaded this file ktorrent_2.0rc1-0ktorrent1_i386.deb  how do i install it from that?
[05:26] <soulrider> right clicka nd then install
[05:26] <wckdkl0wn> ok
[05:27] <rr72> soulrider~ how u likc linux so far?
[05:27] <TheHighChild> dpkg -i packagename.deb
[05:27] <soulrider> not-going-back-to-win-far
[05:28] <wckdkl0wn> wow that was easy lol
[05:28] <wckdkl0wn> i expected the install to be more complicated
[05:28] <soulrider> yea!
[05:28] <soulrider> nope
[05:28] <soulrider> click, password and done
[05:28] <wckdkl0wn> any deb file i can install like that with?
[05:29] <soulrider> oh BTW, im gonna need some pro help tomorrow
[05:29] <wckdkl0wn> didnt ask for a password it just did it
[05:29] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[05:29] <soulrider> im getting another comp, and i need to move this linux installation to my new HD
[05:29] <soulrider> can i just copy the drive contents ?
[05:29] <soulrider> or do i have to reinstall ?
[05:29] <soulrider> the thing is that on this mahien i got a dual boot, kubuntu and windows
[05:29] <feet> hi, im wonderin if ya can set kde's system notifications to output sound thru the jack sound server. if so, how. thanks in advance :-)
[05:30] <wckdkl0wn> wow my download speeds just jumped up a hella lot with the new version
[05:30] <soulrider> :O
[05:30] <wckdkl0wn> the new version isnt in the repos
[05:30] <wckdkl0wn> it was just released
[05:30] <soulrider> im downlaoding at over 50
[05:30] <soulrider> which is uber for me
[05:30] <soulrider> cool!
[05:31] <wckdkl0wn> i am in the 80 range on 6 files
[05:31] <soulrider> im too lazy, ill wait for the repos
[05:31] <soulrider> im in around 52, one file: P
[05:31] <soulrider> its maxing my connection
[05:31] <wckdkl0wn> http://dev.bit-freaks.net/apachelogger/deb/ktorrent/ktorrent_2.0rc1-0ktorrent1_i386.deb
[05:31] <wckdkl0wn> thats the file if u wanna download it
[05:32] <soulrider> ill just wait, really
[05:32] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[05:32] <soulrider> besides, im gonna move computers
[05:32] <wckdkl0wn> wait
[05:32] <wckdkl0wn> wait
[05:32] <wckdkl0wn> 130 on 1 file now
[05:32] <soulrider> which means il probably reinstall
[05:32] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[05:32] <soulrider> :O
[05:32] <soulrider> nice
[05:32] <soulrider> tracker ?
[05:32] <wckdkl0wn> ?
[05:33] <wckdkl0wn> i never understood what the tracker was for
[05:33] <soulrider> uhm
[05:33] <soulrider> the tracker is a tracker lol
[05:33] <feet> well without a tracker, bittorrent is useless
[05:33] <soulrider> it absically ahs the info of everyone downlaoding or seeding the torrent
[05:33] <wckdkl0wn> ah
[05:33] <soulrider> when you start a torrent the tarcker sends yout he peer data
[05:34] <soulrider> not really, theres DHT, youc anc onnect to other peers without a tracker
[05:35] <soulrider> BT is wonderful
[05:35] <wckdkl0wn> so when said tracker? how would i tell what it is?
[05:36] <soulrider> uhm, i dotn udnerstand
[05:36] <feet> cos it didnt make sense
[05:36] <feet> lol
[05:36] <wckdkl0wn> only thing i know of torrents is it downloads from many ppl at once instead of just one person
[05:36] <wckdkl0wn> other then that i am clueless
[05:36] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[05:36] <feet> yeah
[05:36] <soulrider> ok
[05:36] <soulrider> heres how it works
[05:36] <feet> dont explain
[05:36] <feet> dont over complicated things!
[05:36] <soulrider> ok
[05:36] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[05:36] <soulrider> its easy
[05:36] <wckdkl0wn> i get the concept that it grabs peices from everyone
[05:36] <soulrider> i can explain it in 5 lines probably
[05:37] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[05:37] <soulrider> a torrent file ahs ana nnounce URL, when you opena  torrent, your client contacts that URL and gets peers
[05:37] <soulrider> you client then contacts those peers and downloads :P
[05:37] <soulrider> see, 2 lines
[05:37] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[05:37] <soulrider> the URL is the tracker
[05:39] <wckdkl0wn> more peers the better i assume
[05:39] <soulrider> indeed
[05:39] <SpAwN> more seeds....more peers can reslut in slower dls
[05:39] <SpAwN> but generaly the more the faster
[05:39] <wckdkl0wn> so i look for more ul instead of dl
[05:39] <wckdkl0wn> or a good mix of both?
[05:40] <soulrider> good mix is better
[05:40] <SpAwN> yup seeders = ppl who fully have the file and are only uploading....there dls have finished
[05:40] <soulrider> but seeds are ppl with the complete file
[05:40] <soulrider> yea, more seeds more bandwith for you
[05:40] <wckdkl0wn> ok
[05:40] <soulrider> whats cool si private trackers
[05:40] <soulrider> if you dont upload as muchas  you downlaod you get booted
[05:40] <SpAwN> torrents are a very good way to spread popular files..
[05:40] <soulrider> so everyone uploads and you get super speeds
[05:40] <SpAwN> soulrider, yea they do rock.....
[05:40] <soulrider> aKa copyrighted :P
[05:41] <soulrider> many private trackers are invite only
[05:41] <wckdkl0wn> well i am downloading something right now with 120 peers and 90% of then have 100%.. thats the one i am getting about 125k right now
[05:41] <soulrider> and some you just ahve to register
[05:41] <SpAwN> the trackers i use alwasy max me out....im on 3 meg line.....so around 350kb/s
[05:41] <soulrider> nice
[05:42] <wckdkl0wn> which are?
[05:42] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[05:42] <SpAwN> not to shabby
[05:42] <soulrider> sicne i gto a crappy uplaod speed i soemtimes cheat ratios :P
[05:42] <wckdkl0wn> my upload maxes at 30-40k
[05:42] <soulrider> mine at 10 !
[05:42] <SpAwN> if i use a pub tracker like piratebay or w/e i usaly dont seed
[05:42] <wckdkl0wn> but my download i have gotten before at around 600-800k down
[05:42] <soulrider> me neither lol
[05:42] <soulrider> were abd leechers
[05:42] <SpAwN> my upload is about 90kb/s
[05:43] <soulrider> youre lucky
[05:43] <soulrider> seeding a 700 mb file or a 4. gig file sint hard
[05:43] <SpAwN> ehh id sacrafice the up speed for more down speed
[05:43] <soulrider> it takes me so much time to do so
[05:43] <TheHighChild> anyone use knode?
[05:43] <soulrider> and soemtimes there are no peers to upload too
[05:43] <soulrider> to*
[05:44] <intelikey> to too
[05:44] <wckdkl0wn> well acording to comcast i have a 6meg line
[05:44] <SpAwN> 1st week i gota an account was free lech weekend.....dl as much as u want and it doesnt count....and uploads count as double...so 1st week i had a ration of like 8
[05:44] <wckdkl0wn> but i dont usually see anything about 200k.. rarely i see 600-800
[05:44] <wckdkl0wn> above*
[05:44] <SpAwN> wckdkl0wn, u serious?...6 meg line and u dont dl over 200 usaly??
[05:44] <wckdkl0wn> nope
[05:45] <soulrider> SpAwN: tracker ?
[05:45] <soulrider> oh my
[05:45] <SpAwN> wckdkl0wn, omg dude u are getting bent over
[05:45] <soulrider> its time for you to get invited to a tracker :P
[05:45] <SpAwN> wckdkl0wn, call the isp and bitch.....do it everyday till u get hooked up
[05:45] <wckdkl0wn> lol probably
[05:45] <wckdkl0wn> i owe them money right now so i am not calling anyone
[05:45] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[05:45] <soulrider> lol
[05:46] <CVirus> how can i disable kde session saving ?
[05:46] <SpAwN> soulrider, probly not the best place to discuss this but its initals are ST
[05:46] <soulrider> i pay like $50 for my 512/128
[05:46] <soulrider> and i payed $50 for 64/64 :P
[05:46] <soulrider> ST, i think i know...
[05:46] <SpAwN> damn i dont pay for anything....i live my rents....but they pay around 35 dollars for the inet
[05:46] <wckdkl0wn> they had a 8meg line but i figured 6 was enough
[05:46] <soulrider> or TS?
[05:46] <SpAwN> *with
[05:46] <soulrider> yea, well, me too
[05:46] <soulrider> they pay :P
[05:46] <SpAwN> ST
[05:46] <soulrider> i leech! :D
[05:47] <TheHighChild> I get 3.0/768 for $25 a month
[05:47] <soulrider> i need to register on this IRC
[05:47] <SpAwN> soulrider, yup same here...i just gotta share it with my 2 brothers....but the older one is moving out in a few days
[05:47] <SpAwN> TheHighChild, what isp?
[05:47] <SpAwN> TheHighChild, verizon?.....
[05:47] <wckdkl0wn> me and my buddy are paying close to 90 a month for internet and basic cable
[05:48] <TheHighChild> SpAwN: Verizon. The montly rate is higher but they gave me a a couple free months, it came out to be 24 something a month
[05:48] <soulrider> TheHighChild: you didnt happen to play enemy territory right?
[05:48] <TheHighChild> soulrider: naturally
[05:48] <soulrider> uhm
[05:48] <soulrider> SS?
[05:48] <TheHighChild> soulrider: Not anymore but I was at a time
[05:48] <soulrider> lol
[05:48] <soulrider> this si DeepestBlue
[05:48] <soulrider> is*
[05:48] <cpk2> i cant wait till fiber is cheap and easy to get everywhere
[05:48] <SpAwN> TheHighChild, nice same plan as me...verizon treast us pretty good....my mom may even be payin 25 also.....last i heard it was like 30-35
[05:48] <CVirus> how can i disable kde session saving ?
[05:48] <TheHighChild> no way, haha awesome man. What have you been up to? That makes like 5 people I've met on IRC from ET
[05:49] <dhq> how to show a local directory in apache2 webserver
[05:49] <soulrider> uhm nothing, busy.... i tried installing ET but it crashes when i join a server
[05:49] <SpAwN> TheHighChild, u play et also...nice
[05:49] <gekko`> CVirus: kcontrol -> KDE Components -> Session Manager
[05:49] <intelikey> CVirus it's under the login/out  settinge
[05:49] <TheHighChild> SpAwN: yeah, it's 30 or 35 a month but I count free months into the overall equation. Also, I have to buy a landline to get it hooked up. All in all, it's still a ton better than the Comcast alternative
[05:49] <TheHighChild> SpAwN: i don't play, I own
[05:50] <soulrider> SpAwN:  i used to play at his clan server all the time
[05:50] <SpAwN> TheHighChild, lol
[05:50] <CVirus> gekko`: intelikey: Thanks alot
[05:50] <soulrider> and yes, he owned
[05:50] <soulrider> i was soooo n00b
[05:50] <SpAwN> TheHighChild, yea my alternative is umm aldelphia or comcast i thinl
[05:50] <SpAwN> TheHighChild, .....sounds very filmilier.....did u play on any pow servers?...or where did u play alot?
[05:51] <TheHighChild> SpAwN: Yeah, never go with Cable. cable is hell. I can't say much positive about Verizon except i've never had a minute of downtime in 2 years and I get 25% over advertised speeds
[05:51] <soulrider> sh!t storm :P
[05:51] <dhq> how to show a local directory or root   in apache2 webserver
[05:51] <TheHighChild> SpAwN: Started on POW servers but they were S.S. then(shiat storm). Where I've ben from there is a long story but I go back a long way
[05:52] <SpAwN> TheHighChild, yea and they dont give a fluck what u do.....i scanned alomost every university in my area and never gotten a complain
[05:52] <TheHighChild> better take this convo to #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:52] <SpAwN> sure
[05:54] <rulz> hello newbie here how to repair/rebuild kmenu
[05:54] <rulz> anybody
[05:54] <StrudelNinja> anyone know why the text in the comics on www.stripgenerator.com doesn't work...? could it be shockwave?
[05:54] <StrudelNinja> or why the menus on http://steakandshake.com/nutritional_info/nutricalc/index.asp don't work?
[05:54] <StrudelNinja> being diabetic I sorta need to be able to use the online nutrition things
[05:55] <intelikey> rulz rm -r ~/.kde
[05:55] <rulz> thnx
[05:55] <intelikey> logout and back in
[05:59] <StrudelNinja> they don't work in konq or ff
[06:00] <abattoir_> intelikey: rm -r ~/.kde to rebuild kmenu?
[06:01] <intelikey> abattoir_ to reset all customized kde setting
[06:02] <rr72> intelikey~ the topic in #kde: Latest releases: stable: 3.5.3. See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Flamewars of every kind, don't even start, or you will be banned | Don't delete ~/.kde !
[06:02] <rr72> last thing, don't delete ~/.kde ;)
[06:04] <h3sp4wn> That may be so they can find out any bugs (which doesn't apply to anyone not in #kde)
[06:04] <intelikey> hmm ok,   hehhe  and xorg uses /root as a swap/pivot/something dir   resetting the permissions on /root  also recreating /root if you rm that.   so what else can they * up ?
[06:06] <intelikey> i think i'll change my $HOME again.
[06:07] <intelikey> i haven't lived in /home/*  for a long time now.
[06:07] <soulrider> lol
[06:09] <soulrider> err, i just closed kopete and opened it again
[06:09] <soulrider> and it wont connect to anythign at all
[06:09] <soulrider> not AIM not MSN not Yahoo!
[06:10] <soulrider> same with Opera, wont laod anything
[06:10] <soulrider> BRB
[06:12] <rulz> how to install window decoration in kubuntu?
[06:13] <apeman2020> does anyone use oneorzero?
[06:14] <intelikey> rulz k theem manager ?
[06:16] <abattoir_> rulz: which format is it in? .tar.gz? you might need to compile it...
[06:16] <abattoir_> rulz: unless if it is a deKorator theme
[06:19] <nikkiana> i don't suppose anyone in here knows anything about amarok?
[06:20] <soulrider> nikkiana: whatd o you need to know ?
[06:20] <abattoir> nikkiana: then why'd you ask here ? :P
[06:21] <nikkiana> soulrider, silly asthetic thing really.... i'm having a wedding and i'm using amarok to control the music and i've created playlists to control certain times of reception.... and i sorta want to make them display in the order they're going to be used, but i can't seem to reorder them.... is there a way to do that or am i sorta stuck with the way they show up?
[06:21] <intelikey> nikkiana all i know about it, is i inserted a cd and amarok started, so i removed it.
[06:21] <nikkiana> abattoir, i suppose i probably could go hunt down their chatroom....
[06:22] <soulrider> nikkiana: no idea, sorry
[06:22] <abattoir> nikkiana: #amarok , but we can help you if we can :)
[06:22] <abattoir> nikkiana: you cant re-order tracks in the playlist window?
[06:23] <soulrider> guys, how can i install flash 8 ?
[06:23] <nikkiana> it's just sorta odd because it appears you can't drag and drop playlists to make them appear in the order you want.... nor does having something highlighted affect where the playlist is place.... nor does the alphabet.
[06:23] <poningru> soulrider: you cant
[06:23] <nikkiana> abattoir, i can reorder tracks, but i can't reorder the physical playlists
[06:23] <soulrider> great!
[06:23] <intelikey> soulrider flash is evil
[06:23] <poningru> soulrider: there is no flash 8 for linux
[06:23] <poningru> and dont use flash
[06:23] <soulrider> shyte
[06:23] <abattoir> nikkiana: are they arranged in alphabetical order/numerical order by any chance?
[06:23] <soulrider> how am i supposed to view soem sites
[06:23] <poningru> but you can wait for flash 9
[06:23] <nikkiana> if we're lucky enough to get a flash 9 :P
[06:24] <poningru> http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/archives/2006/05/yes_virginia_th.cfm
[06:24] <intelikey> not sure that would be lucky
[06:24] <nikkiana> abattoir, playlists don't seem to be...
[06:24] <nikkiana> abattoir, there seems to be no rhyme nor reason as to where they show up in the list when created either.
[06:26] <nikkiana> i'm gonna ask in #amarok and see if anyone knows....
[06:26] <abattoir> nikkiana: seems to work for me.... are you loading the playlists through the playlist tab?
[06:27] <nikkiana> abattoir, yep.
[06:27] <jewels9321> is anyone familiar with the debian edu mathematics application program????? i downloaded it last night and need some help to run it.....
[06:27] <abattoir> nikkiana: i created three playlists of different tracks, then loaded them one after another, they maintain the same track order... isnt that what you meant?
[06:27] <intelikey> i hate autopsies.
[06:28] <jewels9321> OOD: Hey, good to see ya in here.... are you familiar with debian mathematics app????
[06:28] <rulz> how to invoke dekorator
[06:28] <nikkiana> no... i meant say i have a play list for ceremony music, one for  dinner music, and one for dancing music.... I want the playlists themselves to show up Ceremony, Dinner and Dancing respectively.
[06:29] <abattoir> rulz: Kcontrol->Appearance->Window Decorations->Dekorator
[06:29] <jewels9321> the reason why i am having such trouble running it in kubuntu is because it is a misc application which could be a number of things to run in the run command
[06:29] <abattoir> nikkiana: oh, you mean, you want to see the name of the playlist in the playlist window, instead of the tracks?
[06:29] <nikkiana> abattoir, right
[06:30] <nikkiana> abattoir, but it would seem that you can't reorder playlists in the sidebar.
[06:30] <jewels9321> i went to the debian website and found a few applications but it didn't help me very much
[06:30] <abattoir> nikkiana: hmmm, dont know if that's possible... #amarok is the best place i guess :P
[06:30] <abattoir> nikkiana: i think they are arranged in reverse alphabetical order(atleast for me)
[06:30] <rulz> thnx
[06:31] <nikkiana> abattoir, mine arent in any kind of order at all.....
[06:31] <intelikey> jewels9321 this "education-mathematics - DebianEdu mathematical applications"  ???
[06:31] <abattoir> nikkiana: that sounds weird...
[06:32] <jewels9321> intelikey: yes.... i tried typing in education-mathematics into the run command thing and it didn't work since it is a miscellaneous file
[06:32] <intelikey> jewels9321 where or should i ask why did you down load it ?    it's in the repos.
[06:33] <nikkiana> abattoir, yeah. i'm wondering if it's either A. a bug or B. something no one thought of.
[06:33] <intelikey> jewels9321 dpkg -L education-mathematics | grep bin
[06:33] <jewels9321> intelikey: i used the repos to get it
[06:33] <abattoir> nikkiana: if i rename the playlists, they arent re-arranged according to a particular order(say, alphabetical)
[06:33] <nikkiana> if it were just me using it, i wouldn't be fussing, but i'm going to be handing this off to a friend.... and i want things organized.
[06:33] <intelikey> use that command to find the executables jewels9321 ^
[06:33] <nikkiana> i suppose i *could* do that. :P
[06:34] <soulrider> i have a question, qhen you umpack somehtign with ARK, is there a wa to amke it show the % it ahs umpakced? or time left ?
[06:35] <OOD> jewels9321: hey :), and no, i'm not familiar with that app
[06:35] <intelikey> nikkiana just rename them by prepending numbers    1-blah 2-duh 3-and.so.on
[06:35] <cpk2> i just use cli to unpack... you could add a v in show the files it is unpacking, i guess that can give you a rough estimate
[06:35] <_mottz> XMMS has froze on my system, but I don't see the pid using top, is there another way to kill it?
[06:35] <cpk2> *a v in to show the files
[06:35] <soulrider> err, my KDe isnt responding
[06:35] <abattoir> nikkiana: if you just want them in a particular order, you might be able to hack some config files, and put the playlists in the correct order... i'll see...
[06:35] <rulz> how to install dekorator version 1.1
[06:35] <soulrider> no the desktop, not kopete
[06:36] <nikkiana> abattoir, okays. :)
[06:36] <abattoir> !info dekorator
[06:36] <soulrider> can i just type kdesktop to restart it?
[06:36] <ubotu> dekorator: KDE theme manager. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.2fix1-1 (dapper), package size 75 kB, installed size 296 kB
[06:36] <en1gma> sup all
[06:36] <jewels9321> intelikey: i used that and typed it into the terminal as you put it (middle click in terminal) and nothing happened..... i even tried being root
[06:36] <abattoir> rulz: see if you can find a deb, else you'd have to compile by hand
[06:37] <intelikey> jewels9321 drop the filter and make sure the package has files...
[06:37] <_mottz> enlgma:hey
[06:37] <intelikey> jewels9321 dpkg -L education-mathematics
[06:37] <nikkiana> abattoir, i remembered why i asked in here and not in #amarok... it's awful quiet in there. :D
[06:37] <en1gma> i got a couple questions about kubuntu if you dont mind..what kernel comes with "kubuntu-6.06-dvd-amd64.iso" and also can it be used purely as a live cd?
[06:38] <Leeif> does anyone know how to install msi files with cedega?
[06:38] <intelikey> if that's empty you can stop trying to run it and start trying to install it :)
[06:38] <abattoir> nikkiana: hehe, yes, i noticed :)
[06:38] <apeman2020> looking for some OneORZero setup help!
[06:39] <en1gma> anyone know what kernel comes with it
[06:40] <intelikey> en1gma the 2.6.15-*-amd64 i'm sure
[06:40] <en1gma> thnx
[06:40] <abattoir> nikkiana: ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/playlistbrowser_save.xml is the file...
[06:40] <intelikey> as to the live question   idk.
[06:40] <nikkiana> abattoir, sweet. thanks.
[06:40] <en1gma> im not sure if that has support for raling rt61 chipset or not
[06:40] <en1gma> i know its close
[06:40] <abattoir> nikkiana: if you dont know what to do exactly, pastebin it, i'll modify it for you, if you want...
[06:40] <en1gma> ralink*
[06:41] <jewels9321> "/."
[06:41] <jewels9321> "/usr"
[06:41] <jewels9321> "/usr/share"
[06:41] <jewels9321> "/usr/share/doc"
[06:41] <jewels9321> "/usr/share/doc/education-mathematics"
[06:41] <jewels9321> "/usr/share/doc/education-mathematics/README"
[06:41] <jewels9321> "/usr/share/doc/education-mathematics/copyright"
[06:41] <jewels9321> "/usr/share/doc/education-mathematics/changelog.gz"
[06:41] <abattoir> !paste > jewels9321
[06:41] <jewels9321> this is what it came up with
[06:41] <en1gma> lol im dloading the dvd-iso and ie says im -2%
[06:41] <intelikey> jewels9321 that is a list of all the files that package "education-mathematics*" installed on your system.
[06:41] <en1gma> how can that be
[06:42] <intelikey> hehhe   M$
[06:42] <en1gma> i hate MS
[06:42] <abattoir> i guess it's a meta package....
[06:42] <jewels9321> intelikey: what am i supposed to do with them? my bf thinks that there isn't any installed executables
[06:42] <alyus> Hello!
[06:43] <intelikey> well i have to stop hating M$ and autopsy this dead box.
[06:43] <intelikey> jewels9321 if that's the full list...  look in "/usr/share/doc/education-mathematics/README"
[06:44] <en1gma> how can i tell if support was added for my wifi card in which kernel version without reading every changelog
[06:44] <nikkiana> abattoir, ah. that's my old config file.... (i'm running the beta of the new version of amarok cause of a weird playlist bug in the last version)
[06:44] <en1gma> cause im not sure what i would be looking for exactly to match up with "find"
[06:44] <intelikey> en1gma /boot/config
[06:44] <en1gma> i dont have it installed
[06:45] <en1gma> ahhh
[06:45] <en1gma> i see what you mean
[06:45] <intelikey> hehhe oh well.
[06:45] <en1gma> i can read that with notepad right
[06:45] <intelikey> i think so
[06:45] <jewels9321> intelikey: already looked at that....lastnight.....
[06:45] <alyus> I have a kernel compiling question I was wondering if I could ask you guys about?
[06:45] <jewels9321> intelikey: but i'll look at it again..... don't know if it will be of much help.....
[06:46] <wckdkl0wn> whats a theme manager for kde?
[06:47] <wckdkl0wn> !theme
[06:47] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:47] <intelikey> jewels9321 like i said.  dpkg -L blah   list all files that  blah   installed       err minus the control files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/  and they are not part of the program, but part of the installer
 en1gma /boot/config <<<i would have to dload every tarball wouldnt i
[06:47] <en1gma> wait i dont look at kernel.org
[06:47] <en1gma> i look at a distro server?
[06:47] <nikkiana> no wait. i just had to close amarok for it to refresh.
[06:48] <en1gma> i dont know
[06:48] <intelikey> en1gma on the cd/dvd   boot it and look in /boot/config  grep should work on the thing.
[06:49] <jewels9321> intelikey: not sure if the program has any binaries anyway.... i have no idea what the program is... i just wanted a good math program becuase i tutor math students in college
[06:50] <dukeman21> wenas comunidad
[06:50] <wckdkl0wn> whats a theme manager for kde?
[06:51] <dukeman21> I am from chile
[06:51] <en1gma> intelike well i need to know which kernel i need before i dload cause once i dload if its not in my kernel i wont be able to connect to net
[06:51] <dukeman21> sorry men
[06:51] <soulrider> hola dukeman21
[06:51] <en1gma> so i need to know which kernel my wifi card is supported in first
[06:51] <dukeman21> ejale
[06:51] <dukeman21> hola
[06:51] <dukeman21> qe tal?
[06:51] <soulrider> :)
[06:51] <nikkiana> abattoir, reordering the playlist xml file isn't seeming to affect the ordering they're showing up.
[06:52] <dukeman21> de donde eres?=
[06:53] <intelikey> en1gma if (and i use that as a macro) you can find that info on http://ubuntu.com  then you can save the dl.  otherwise i know no way.
[06:53] <dukeman21> free software!!!
[06:54] <intelikey> en1gma wait.  yes i do.    get someone running that kernel to  grep /boot/config   for you.
[06:54] <abattoir> nikkiana: really, amarok was closed when you edited the file and saved it?
[06:55] <intelikey> and en1gma i'm running 32 bit k6  so  it wont be me.
[06:55] <nikkiana> abattoir, yep.
[06:55] <dukeman21> hello everybody
[06:56] <dukeman21> ...
[06:56] <intelikey> en1gma i sujest you pop in #ubuntu and ask for someone running that kernel to grep for your driver.   any *buntu  in fact.
[06:56] <rulz> i m not able to compile it says "in the prefix you've chosen no KDE headers installed"
[06:56] <rulz> whats the reason plz
[06:56] <intelikey> no kde headers ?
[06:57] <rulz> What it means
[06:57] <intelikey> install  libkdegames-dev - KDE games library headers   maybe
[06:57] <nikkiana> abattoir, i closed amarok, changed the file, saved and then opened amarok again and it reordered it back to the way it was.
[06:57] <abattoir> nikkiana: i think the file is cached... yes, i noticed that too...
[06:58] <intelikey> rulz you have build-essential installed ?
[06:58] <intelikey> can't hardly compile without it.
[06:58] <rulz> yes
[06:58] <nikkiana> abattoir, ahh.... i see.
[06:58] <abattoir> nikkiana: wait a sec, i'll try rebooting, see if it works...
[06:58] <nikkiana> abattoir, okay.
[06:58] <cpk2> !kernel
[06:58] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[07:00] <cpk2> could anyone give me a link on a how to for updating the kernel or just give me a quick synopsis of how to do it?
[07:00] <Hawkwind> cpk2: kernel.org has great docs if you want to compile it
[07:01] <Hawkwind> cpk2: Or sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade from the repos if there is a new one available
[07:01] <dukeman21> hola
[07:01] <cpk2> well it let me pick which modules and what not?
[07:01] <Hawkwind> cpk2: If you compile it, sure
[07:01] <Hawkwind> cpk2: You compile in what you want and leave out the rest
[07:02] <rulz> how to reinstall kde libs using the Kubuntu cdrom?
[07:02] <wckdkl0wn> Hawkwind: what is the kde theme manager again? you told me the other day but i reinstalled since then and forgot
[07:02] <Hawkwind> rulz: Look into apt-cdrom
[07:02] <cpk2> so does dist upgrade just include all the modules?
[07:02] <Hawkwind> wckdkl0wn: kcontrol ?
[07:02] <Hawkwind> cpk2: dist-upgrade is for pre-built kernels by Ubuntu
[07:02] <wckdkl0wn> is that the one that shows up in system settings tab?
[07:03] <Hawkwind> cpk2: Just like when you install the distro itself
[07:03] <intelikey> cpk2 without rolling your own    sudo apt-get dist-upgrade           alternatively  sudo apt-get linux-source    unpack it and build.
[07:03] <wckdkl0wn> Hawkwind: it was like kdm something wasnt it?
[07:03] <Hawkwind> wckdkl0wn: No idea.  I don't really use KDE
[07:03] <Hawkwind> wckdkl0wn: Hmmm, not sure it was me that told you then
[07:03] <wckdkl0wn> probably not then
[07:03] <wckdkl0wn> lol
[07:03] <wckdkl0wn> !kdm
[07:03] <ubotu> I know nothing about kdm - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:04] <cpk2> compiling my own shouldnt cause me any problems right?
[07:04] <wckdkl0wn> !theme
[07:04] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEyeCandy
[07:04] <Hawkwind> cpk2: If you build it correctly, no
[07:05] <cpk2> i can always revert back to the old one right?
[07:05] <abattoir> nikkiana: it doesnt work... :(
[07:05] <intelikey> cpk2 not if you are an old linux hand.  if your are newbish   better stick with .debs   unless you can afford plenty of learning.
[07:05] <abattoir> nikkiana: however i think i know 'how' it works...
[07:05] <nikkiana> abattoir, darn.
[07:05] <abattoir> nikkiana: you want to try recreating them?
[07:05] <nikkiana> abattoir, i can do that
[07:05] <cpk2> psh i compiled a kernel many moons ago
[07:05] <abattoir> nikkiana: ok, then delete all the playlists
[07:05] <intelikey> cpk2 and i'm one Q behind ^    yes you can boot the older kernel at any time.
[07:06] <cpk2> just asks lots of questions and you say yes or no, no if you have no idea what its talking about, unless it recomends yes
[07:06] <nikkiana> abattoir, okays
[07:06] <abattoir> nikkiana: one sec
[07:06] <intelikey> cpk2 do that any you come up with the .deb anyway  lol
[07:07] <cpk2> i dont think it has everything loaded for my laptop...
[07:07] <intelikey> so modprobe it
[07:07] <wolfmanz> anyone have andy idea why XMMS has two process running and each one is over 30 megs of ram use?
[07:08] <intelikey> cpk2 and   . /etc/bash_completion is really handy on things like that.
[07:08] <cpk2> got a wiki i could read up on or anything then?
[07:09] <abattoir> nikkiana: hmmm, creating the lists in the order you want them to appear does the trick for me :P
[07:09] <intelikey> cpk2 search ubuntu.com
[07:09] <cpk2> for...?
[07:09] <abattoir> nikkiana: for eg., create a 'Wedding' one and save it, then create a 'Dinner' and save it, Dinner, comes after Wedding in the list
[07:10] <intelikey> your laptop modle    for starts    then any howtos you might think of.
[07:10] <abattoir> nikkiana: but i guess you could file a bug(wishlist) for this...
[07:10] <rulz> i ve added kubuntu cdrom as one of the repository but it doesnt work ? What may be the reason
[07:11] <abattoir> rulz: added using 'apt-cdrom' ?
[07:11] <rulz> yes using apt-cdrom
[07:11] <nikkiana> abattoir, it seems to be creating them the exact opposite way of what i want them. LOL.
[07:11] <abattoir> rulz: and an entry is there for it in the sources.list ?
[07:12] <rulz> yes it is there
[07:12] <abattoir> nikkiana: that's good, so now create it in the opposite order :)
[07:12] <nikkiana> abattoir, duh. why didn't i think of that?
[07:12] <rulz> It still tries to fetch from internet
[07:12] <abattoir> rulz: did you comment out the internet repos?
[07:12] <intelikey> cpk2 let me reinterate and recap   you tell me if i miss anything.    '1 you want a newer kernel    2 you think your laptop is missing some hardware support in your kernel   3 but you are not sure what you are looking for"     if you can clue us in on what the "problem" is we 'might' be able to help...    idk.
[07:12] <rulz> no
[07:12] <abattoir> rulz: then do a 'sudo apt-get update'
[07:13] <rulz> ok
[07:13] <abattoir> rulz: well, if your internet repos are mentioned above the cdrom one, apt would go for the internet ones...
[07:14] <abattoir> nikkiana: it works?
[07:14] <nikkiana> abattoir, GAH! now it's reversed the order it's putting them in so they're not in order anymore.
[07:15] <abattoir> nikkiana: hmm, you deleted all the playlists right? then restart amarok... just to be safe
[07:15] <nikkiana> abattoir, yep.
[07:15] <abattoir> nikkiana: that is after you delete all the playlists
[07:15] <nikkiana> abattoir, i am throughly convinced that the program hates me ;)
[07:15] <dukeman21> when install kububtu?
[07:16] <abattoir> nikkiana: hehe... its funny this feature isnt in.. already....
[07:16] <intelikey> randomize play list is an option.
[07:16] <nikkiana> abattoir, exactly what i was thinking
[07:16] <cpk2> intelikey: pretty good recap heh, guess I just wanted a little more control with the kernel, but i suppose the packaged ones will work fine
[07:16] <nikkiana> intelikey, not applicable to my problem though :P
[07:17] <rulz> i like to know whether kdelibs is a part of kubuntu cdrom?
[07:17] <intelikey> nikkiana k   just a thought.
[07:17] <abattoir> rulz: of course
[07:17] <wad3> Hey, i got some problems, with the swedish letters, any swede arround to help ?
[07:17] <abattoir> !se
[07:17] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[07:17] <abattoir> wad3: people there^^^^ might be able to help
[07:17] <wad3> sweet thanks ;)
[07:18] <rostok_> ts ai basilio?
[07:18] <abattoir> !pt
[07:18] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[07:19] <rulz> it says couldnt find kdelibs while i try to retrieve from cdrom
[07:19] <kakalto> My locales are a bit weird, any ideas what I could do to fix it? should I post a bug report?
[07:19] <abattoir> !info kdelibs
[07:19] <ubotu> kdelibs: core libraries from the official KDE release. In repository main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18.1 (dapper), package size 34 kB, installed size 88 kB
[07:19] <intelikey> cpk2 if you have the time to kill,  building a kernel has come a long way.   the   make menu_config   or  xconfig   options are pretty niffty   i don't discurrage you from building one at all.  but  don't expect it to be idiot proff  ;/
[07:19] <abattoir> rulz: hmm, its in main...
[07:20] <kakalto> intelikey: sure it's "menu_config"?
[07:20] <kakalto> isn't it just make menuconfig
[07:20] <intelikey> kakalto may depend on the source
[07:20] <kakalto> intelikey: would make sense.
[07:20] <kakalto> eh, I come from gentoo.
[07:20] <intelikey> and yes menuconfig on some...  probably the latest *buntu
[07:20] <abattoir> nikkiana: adding new playlists appends them to the bottom.... for me... i'd expect it to work in a similar fashion for you.
[07:21] <digibre4k> hello....i need u're help please...how can we use yahoo messenger in linux (xandros3)????
[07:21] <nikkiana> abattoir, mine appends them to the top.... and then occasionally appends them to right below the last created playlist
[07:22] <abattoir> nikkiana: try 'Save to location'
[07:22] <abattoir> nikkiana: and save the .m3u w/ the name you want
[07:22] <MilhousePunkRock> Good morning everyone!
[07:22] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock
[07:23] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey intelikey
[07:23] <nikkiana> hmm.... i figured out what it's doing.... it's putting them in reverse alpha.... (i must not be able to say the alphabet to not notice that before....)
[07:23] <abattoir> nikkiana: i though i told you that :P
[07:23] <cpk2> intelikey: not too worried about breaking anything on this install, its just an old laptop that doesnt really get used
[07:24] <MilhousePunkRock> digibre4k: Both Gaim and Kopete support Yahoo
[07:24] <nikkiana> abattoir, i was having a dumb bride moment :P
[07:24] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: morning :)
[07:24] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey abattoir!
[07:24] <kakalto> anyone else had problems with en_NZ locales?
[07:24] <abattoir> nikkiana: heh, i've not heard of that before :P
[07:24] <intelikey> even though it's applicable nikkiana i still say CHECK YOUR AMAROK SETTINGS !
[07:24] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: You really live here, huh?
[07:24] <intelikey> hehhe
[07:24] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: indeed :)
[07:25] <digibre4k> hello.......how can we both gaim and kopete support yahoo???can u explain that...
[07:25] <rulz> Is there anyway to reinstall kde without losing data ?
[07:26] <abattoir> rulz: 're-install' kde? or do you mean kubuntu ?
[07:26] <MilhousePunkRock> digibre4k: Gaim and Kopete are instant messengers that support multiple protocols, among them Yahoo
[07:26] <abattoir> rulz: afaik, your settings arent deleted when you remove KDE
[07:26] <MilhousePunkRock> digibre4k: I am not familiar with Xandros at all, which Window Manager do you use?
[07:26] <rulz> thats what i wish
[07:27] <rulz> how to do that
[07:27] <cpk2> intelikey: for now i am just doing dist-upgrade
[07:27] <abattoir> rulz: hmmm... 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall <name of kde packages>
[07:27] <cpk2> but maybe later i will compile myself
[07:27] <wad3> bah, swedes aren't up at this hour during summer ;:)
[07:28] <rulz> ok let me try
[07:28] <intelikey> cpk2 sounds like a plan.
[07:28] <MilhousePunkRock> !se > wad3
[07:29] <nikkiana> intelikey, i did. but i don't think there's anything in the settings that has anything to do with what i want to do. :P
[07:29] <cpk2> ubuntu is nice how it does everything for you but i suppose every once in a while a little more control would be nice heh
[07:31] <intelikey> nikkiana ok.   just pointing out that the reason for reverse order is because it is set to reverse order.   and if random it's set to random.  but i'll leave you to it.    and get back to my salvage operation.
[07:33] <nikkiana> intelikey, oh. heh. i'm dumb. i didn't realize that silly little arrow at the top that makes things go Z to A was what you were talking about. Oops!
[07:34] <imbrandon> MilhousePunkRock: just FYI for later Xandros default uses KDE
[07:35] <MilhousePunkRock> thx imbrandon
[07:35] <abattoir> imbrandon: can i congratulate you now ? :P
[07:35] <wad3> MilhousePunkRock yeah, i know, was told earlier, just that nobody there are awake :)
[07:35] <imbrandon> and is based off debian long ago so there is tool like apt-get etc but its not compat with current debian packages
[07:35] <imbrandon> abattoir: yes, and thanks ;)
[07:35] <abattoir> imbrandon: Congratulations :)
[07:36] <imbrandon> thx ;)
[07:37] <MilhousePunkRock> digibre4k: Since you seem to be using KDE, I suggest you check out Kopete --> http://kopete.kde.org/
[07:37] <imbrandon> rulz: if that dont work all your kde settings are stored in /home , just backup the /home directory and reinstall then copy it back from the cd or what ever you backed it upto
[07:37] <MilhousePunkRock> wad3: What's the matter, I'm sure "we internationals" can help you too
[07:38] <rulz> thnx i didnt think about it
[07:39] <imbrandon> rulz: specificly the kde settings ser stored in /home/<username>/.kde
[07:39] <imbrandon> just FYI
[07:40] <Kadran>  hello, i have a question for the developers, can i ask it here?
[07:40] <imbrandon> Kadran: depends , start here then we can move up if needed
[07:40] <Kadran> ok thanks, what is the unit testing program that you recommends?
[07:41] <imbrandon> brb gonna get a soda
[07:41] <imbrandon> Kadran: for what language ?
[07:41] <Kadran> c#
[07:42] <imbrandon> mono comes with its own unit tests
[07:42] <Kadran> imbrandon: i work now as a beta tester for a web application company and they need a program to manage there beta releses and unit testing, we are still small company and strugelling
[07:43] <imbrandon> tbh just base a shell script off the mono unit tests
[07:43] <wad3> MilhousePunkRock i have problems with the swedish letters, in almost all applications, and i have installed sswedish language support et c etc, but still it can't write them, i can view them, but not write
[07:44] <Kadran> ok thanks imbrandon, i will try to see more in mono
[07:44] <imbrandon> kk
[07:44] <MilhousePunkRock> wad3: I'm afraid I can't help you with that...
[07:48] <wad3> i suspected that ;)
[07:48] <osiris> hello world
[07:48] <wad3> reading out of an forum now, trying a few things i picked up
[07:51] <wad3> didn't help me :/
[07:51] <wad3> well, you might can help me after all. i need to know how to add sv_ to "languages" (which i alredy think i have done) and chose an ISO-blablabla as standard :)
[07:53] <adam__> hello?
[07:53] <wad3> ?
[07:54] <adam__> umm....this is the first time i've used linux and need help installing Firefox
[07:56] <rulz> how to backup downloaded installations
[07:56] <rulz> anybody
[07:57] <intelikey> installations ?
[07:57] <intelikey> define
[07:57] <rulz> yes
[07:57] <rulz> like deb packages
[07:58] <intelikey> copy them from /var/cache/apt/archives/   to your backup location.
[07:59] <intelikey> note every time you 'clear the cache'  or run apt-get clear   you delete every thing in that dir.
[08:00] <adam__> this is the first time i've used linux and need help installing Firefox
[08:00] <abattoir> adam__: open up a terminal/konsole
[08:01] <abattoir> adam__: and in it, type 'sudo apt-get install firefox'
[08:01] <intelikey> firefox is not installed ?    i didn't know *buntu could live without it.
[08:01] <abattoir> adam__: alternatively, you can open 'Adept'(Kmenu)->System, and install it from there
[08:02] <intelikey> abattoir you ready to help him set up the repos also ?
[08:02] <abattoir> intelikey: i think its in main
[08:02] <abattoir> !info firefox
[08:02] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.5-0ubuntu6.06.1 (dapper), package size 7730 kB, installed size 22912 kB
[08:02] <intelikey> k
[08:02] <abattoir> intelikey: as you said, it is ubuntu's default browser...
[08:03] <intelikey> main is not setup when i install   hehhe
[08:03] <abattoir> but not kubuntu :P
[08:04] <intelikey> anyone good at id'ing celaron processors ?    (off board)
[08:05] <raphink> konqui powa abattoir :)
[08:05] <abattoir> raphink: indeed :D
[08:05] <intelikey> 700/128/66/1.7v    would be 700mhz ?
[08:06] <raphink> to let people know about all the wonders of this program
[08:06] <abattoir> especially the kio-slaves
[08:06] <raphink> once you know about konqueror, you can't use anything else
[08:06] <MilhousePunkRock> I beg to differ, raphink...
[08:06] <raphink> MilhousePunkRock: how so?
[08:07] <intelikey> nobody ?
[08:07] <Tm_T> raphink: moooh, KDE 3.5.4 is mess in dapper, including konqi ;)
[08:07] <raphink>  Tm_T: KDE 3.5.4 is NOT in Dapper ;)
[08:07] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock doesn't like konq ????
[08:07] <raphink> including nothing
[08:07] <MilhousePunkRock> raphink: I just can't "get warm" with Konq
[08:07] <Tm_T> raphink: it is, well, will be ;)
[08:07] <raphink> Tm_T: no, Dapper is frozen
[08:08] <raphink> and has been for quite a time
[08:08] <MilhousePunkRock> But: I am unsatisfied with Fx 1.5 too  on Kubuntu...
[08:08] <raphink> if you install unofficial packages, you know what you do and you don't complain :p
[08:08] <Tm_T> raphink: don't give me that, you know what I mean
[08:08] <abattoir> Tm_T: KDE 3.5.4 *for* dapper rather than in :P
[08:08] <Tm_T> raphink: and I'm not complaining ;--P
[08:08] <Tm_T> abattoir: yes, that's it
[08:08] <intelikey> links2 -g MilhousePunkRock
[08:09] <raphink> I'm perfectly happy with KDE 3.5.2 in Dapper :)
[08:09] <Tm_T> raphink: just pointing out my motivation moving to edgy ;)
[08:09] <raphink> sure
[08:09] <adam__> ok i think my problem is that Adept Updater is running and i guess u can't install stuff when it is?
[08:09] <Tm_T> raphink: too old to me ;)
[08:09] <Tm_T> for
[08:09] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: ??
[08:09] <Tm_T> BAH! waking up ->
[08:10] <intelikey> web browser links2 -g is what i use most MilhousePunkRock
[08:10] <MilhousePunkRock> I never heard of that, intelikey, but I am always happy about new input...
[08:11] <abattoir> intelikey: you need X for -g right?
[08:11] <intelikey> abattoir no  just fbcon
[08:11] <basilio> apt-get install alsa-oss alsaplayer mpg321 alsaplayer-alsa alsa-bas
[08:11] <basilio> sorry
[08:12] <raphink> nice stuff intelikey
[08:12] <intelikey> most people wonder why he doesnt use x     hehhe
[08:15] <intelikey> so actually i don't guess i use kubuntu...  i just use the kubuntu install cd to install mebuntu
[08:15] <bioticpro> How do I change the a bunch of filenames from upper to lowercase (cli) ?
[08:16] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: If I had time I would set up a tiny system on my P-133/64MB Laptop...
[08:17] <intelikey> bioticpro test this.   for Q in `find /<basedir> -type f \;` ;do mv $Q `echo $Q | tr [A-Z]  [a-z] ` ;done
[08:18] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock disk space ?
[08:18] <MilhousePunkRock> 4 GB IIRC
[08:19] <MilhousePunkRock> It's got a weird GFX chip, of course, I did not manage to get X working a few years ago
[08:19] <intelikey> why tiny.   use a full distro, only choose light weight apps   and run them one at a time.
[08:19] <MilhousePunkRock> Xubuntu maybe?
[08:19] <bioticpro> intelikey: that is a little complex... all the files are in one directory and are named FILENAME.ZIP , is there an easier way?
[08:20] <intelikey> bioticpro it should work for that.   just set <basedir> aproprately.
[08:20] <bioticpro> intelikey: so chane nothing else in that line except <basedir> ?
[08:21] <bioticpro> starting with find and ending with [a-z] 
[08:22] <intelikey> change nothing but <basedir>    correct.   and no the whle line.
[08:22] <intelikey> whole
[08:22] <bioticpro> starting with for
[08:22] <intelikey> yep
[08:23] <intelikey>  for Q in `find /home/bioticpro/dirname -type f \;` ;do  mv $Q `echo $Q | tr [A-Z]  [a-z] ` ;done
[08:23] <intelikey> along that line   ^
[08:24] <intelikey> could through in a -i switch on the mv command if you want to confirm each move.
[08:25] <bioticpro> find: paths must precede expression Usage: find [-H]  [-L]  [-P]  [path...]  [expression] 
[08:25] <intelikey>  \\;  maybe
[08:25] <wckdkl0wn> is there an emulator for linux to play ps2 games?
[08:25] <wckdkl0wn> straight from cd
[08:26] <bioticpro> intelikey: nope :(
[08:28] <MilhousePunkRock> wckdkl0wn: I remember an app for Win to play PSX games, possible there is one for PS2 as well...
[08:28] <intelikey> bioticpro doesn't seem to need the \;
[08:28] <intelikey> for Q in `find bob -type f ` ;do  mv -i $Q `echo $Q | tr [A-Z]  [a-z] ` ;done
[08:28] <MilhousePunkRock> wckdkl0wn: What does google say?
[08:29] <intelikey> oh i used     ~/bob for the test.    replace bob  ^
[08:31] <bioticpro> intelikey: seems to be working =)  righton, thx
[08:32] <intelikey> bioticpro file is funny that way.  some times you have to end it with \;   other times that will error out.    i don't really know why, but if one fails try the other.
[08:32] <intelikey> not file   find ^
[08:34] <bioticpro> intelikey: its doing 3000 files, gonna be a while :p
[08:34] <mahbub> hello
[08:34] <intelikey> hope we didn't move them to /dev/null   :<
[08:35] <mahbub> i want to attach a sanner with kubuntu
[08:35] <intelikey> can't do.  you will have to attach it with a cable
[08:35] <mahbub> model plustek optix slim 1200
[08:35] <mahbub> i have done that.
[08:35] <mahbub> but problem abt the driver
[08:36] <intelikey> i'm just raddelin'
[08:36] <bioticpro> intelikey: no, they are being renamed, I checked the folder in konq... btw, is there a good gui file renamer plugin or seperate program for konq/kde?
[08:36] <mahbub> i need help.
[08:36] <wckdkl0wn> mplayer gives me this error...  error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.. how do i fix this?
[08:36] <mahbub> i am a new user of kubuntu
[08:36] <mahbub> plz help me.
[08:37] <MilhousePunkRock> mahbub: Did you have a look at Sane?
[08:37] <MilhousePunkRock> !sane
[08:37] <ubotu> I know nothing about sane - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:37] <MilhousePunkRock> !xane
[08:37] <ubotu> I know nothing about xane - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:37] <mahbub> sure
[08:37] <MilhousePunkRock> What was that prog for scanning called again?
[08:37] <MilhousePunkRock> !scanner
[08:37] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[08:37] <mahbub> file path is /etc/xane?
[08:38] <MilhousePunkRock> mahbub: Check those links above
[08:38] <intelikey> bioticpro you might like gentoo for that.  i don't really know.    sudo apt-get install gentoo  and give it a look.
[08:39] <mahbub> sure
[08:40] <MilhousePunkRock> I know this is OT, but has someone tried the Bittorrent-client integrated into Opera?
[08:40] <_rince_> mrgn
[08:41] <intelikey> bioticpro some people say gentoo is too ugly to use.   it reminds me of 'mc=midnight commander' so i'm right at home there.
[08:42] <ninHer> hi all
[08:43] <intelikey> btw fyi gentoo predates the distro by the same name.     or so i'm told.
[08:45] <wckdkl0wn> how do i tell what services are running?
[08:45] <intelikey> ps
[08:45] <TehKewl1> system settings
[08:46] <TehKewl1> in the k menu
[08:46] <TehKewl1> and services
[08:46] <bioticpro> Any kxmame or gxmame users, I need help with video setup, xmame video screen is tiny, can't figure out how to make it full screen
[08:46] <intelikey> ksysguard
[08:47] <wckdkl0wn> i was playing videos just fine earlier with mplayer but now it says failed to initialize video
[08:47] <wckdkl0wn> any ideas?
[08:48] <intelikey> wckdkl0wn i just told you two ways and TehKewl1 told you one.
[08:48] <wckdkl0wn> ?
 hello, there is no Application option in the kubuntu .
[08:48] <mahbub> where should i get it?
[08:48] <intelikey> oh about services... i missed your second Q
[08:49] <MilhousePunkRock> !xsane
[08:49] <intelikey> wckdkl0wn i've never messed with mames couldn't guess.
[08:49] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[08:49] <MilhousePunkRock> !info xsane
[08:49] <ubotu> xsane: GTK+-based X11 frontend for SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy). In repository main, is optional. Version 0.97-4ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 255 kB, installed size 728 kB
[08:49] <mahbub> yea
[08:50] <mahbub> i tried to do it by >>sudo apt-get install libsane-extras
[08:50] <wckdkl0wn> i tryed to restart thinking another program was using it but no luck
[08:50] <MilhousePunkRock> mahbub: "sudo apt-get install xsane" on the shell, without the ""
[08:50] <intelikey> krap i answered the wrong question again didn't i.... well just ignore me.  i'm busy.
[08:50] <mahbub> is it the right way?
[08:51] <intelikey> mahbub yes that's the correct way to install
[08:51] <Healot> I am still using Windows hoho
[08:52] <intelikey> mahbub apt-cache search sane       might be useful also
[08:55] <Healot> i running copies of ubuntu with vmware hehe
[08:55] <waggle7622frack> what vm are you using?
[08:56] <Healot> vmware 5.5 latest build
[08:56] <voicu> it's been almost a week i didn't use windows. those anonymous windowers meetings really work :D
[08:56] <intelikey> i got banned for puting an op on ignore one time....
[08:56] <waggle7622frack> does ubuntu see a cd drive by default under vm?
[08:56] <intelikey> windowers anonymous    lol
[08:57] <wckdkl0wn> whawt else plays avi files other then mplayer?
[08:57] <voicu> try vlc, it works for me...
[08:57] <Healot> the default setting uses your CDROM or one of your CDROM(s) at random
[08:57] <intelikey> second that   VLC
[08:58] <wckdkl0wn> k ty installing now
[08:59] <waggle7622frack> I am testing m$ virtual pc and it dosent see a cd drive so I cant install the virtual pc additions under Kubuntu
[09:00] <intelikey> mount the cd
[09:02] <intelikey> hmmm nick name and part message match....  "-:- SignOff unix_infidel: #kubuntu ("Lost terminal")"
[09:02] <wckdkl0wn> sweet vlc did the trick :)
[09:02] <unix_infidel> intelikey: ??
[09:03] <intelikey> a lost terminal for a unix infidel
[09:03] <unix_infidel> is that some sort of joke
[09:03] <unix_infidel> ?
[09:03] <intelikey> yes
[09:03] <intelikey> but that's ok.
[09:03] <Healot> waggle7622frack: anyways, you read the MS Virtual PC manual yet?
[09:04] <waggle7622frack> couldn't find the virtual drive to mount, tried again and it automounted only to find its windows only
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners>> from this site i don't get any info about the plustek optix slim 1200
[09:05] <mahbub> plustek optic slim 1200
[09:06] <MilhousePunkRock> mahbub: I don't have a scanner myself, I only knew about the existance of Xsane
[09:06] <mahbub> ok.
[09:06] <MilhousePunkRock> mahbub: Try google, if your model is similar to another model which might be on the list
[09:06] <Healot> MilhousePunkRock: you're (in)sane :)
[09:06] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey Healot... Pick one... :-P
[09:07] <mahbub> sounds good
[09:22] <rulz> how do we install multiple packages other than installing 1 by 1 (cache/apt/archives)
[09:24] <abattoir> rulz: you mean you want to install all the files in a particular directory?
[09:24] <rulz> yes
[09:24] <ubuntu> why the kubuntu alternative CD doesn't recognize my ATA hdd
[09:24] <ubuntu> but the kubuntu liveCD does
[09:24] <abattoir> rulz: 'sudo dpkg -i *'
[09:25] <rulz> yes it works thanks
[09:26] <ubuntu> I can't install from kubuntu alternative CD
[09:27] <bioticpro> I need to find out how I got banned from efnet and get unbanned, anybody know how?
[09:28] <Healot> bioticpro: be a good chatter, and just wait to get unbanned.
[09:28] <Healot> or stay here
[09:29] <bioticpro> Healot: I can't even logon to the server, let alone the channels there... and I don't even know when I got banned, it happened when I was trying to connect to the server, not like I got cut off during a chat
[09:29] <ubuntu> anybody help me, plz
[09:29] <rikioh> ok so i think for now i may have given up on getting kubuntu to run on either of my pc's
[09:30] <rikioh> can anyone think of a distro thats easier to install/ might work for me
[09:30] <Healot> bioticpro: we are not efnet admin. i guess you could send email to them to get you unbanned
[09:30] <Healot> so there is nothing to really discuss here
[09:31] <bioticpro> Healot: the reason I asked here, is cause I figure people are friendly here, Ive never got banned, so didn't know how to handle it
[09:31] <Healot> we ar efriend i guess, but we can't solve everybody's problem
[09:31] <bioticpro> duh
[09:32] <bioticpro> I was just looking for direction, I will search efnet site, bye
[09:32] <rikioh> can anyone think of another distro worth trying ive never used linux but im very interested in it ... and i cant seem to use kubuntu because it always freezes right before the login screen anybody think they can help?
[09:34] <Healot> the "trying" part doesn't worth anything... you must set a realistic migration path, i would suggest
[09:35] <rikioh> well ive been "attempting" to get it to work for a few days now ive tried 3 pc's, 5 installs, and the best ive gotten so far is it freezing right after its loaded everything before the login screen
[09:35] <ubuntu> omg, everything have been fine with Breezy
[09:35] <ubuntu> and go to Hell with Dapper
[09:35] <Healot> ubuntu: it happens with any distro, Fedora fur example, Debian too.
[09:36] <Healot> pretty common if someone still stucked with Redhat 9 :-
[09:36] <larson9999> rikioh: have you tried ubuntu
[09:36] <damian_> if you're having problems
[09:36] <damian_> switch to slackware 1.0
[09:36] <rikioh> nope i havnt tried ubuntu
[09:36] <larson9999> lol@damian_
[09:37] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: try kubuntu... or even ubuntu
[09:37] <rikioh> ive tried kubuntu cant get it to work
[09:37] <noaXess_kubuntu> why
[09:37] <rikioh> and ive tried getting help in here they dont know whats going on
[09:37] <Healot> one of the popular livecd is knoppix. pclinuxos is also another good livecd candidates
[09:37] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: whats the problem?
[09:37] <larson9999> rikioh: what's your hw setup?
[09:37] <Healot> but both kinda outdated..
[09:38] <rikioh> 2.8 ghz p4, 2 gigs ddr2 ram, ati x850xt pcie, intel network card, 250 gig hdd
[09:38] <ubuntu> I have an old ATA hdd, and work fine with Breezy
[09:39] <ubuntu> but it can't boot with Dapper live CD
[09:39] <voicu> rikioh, if you just want to see how linux is, try kanotix. it mounted my ntfs drives automatically, network worked fine, it's really good for a start
[09:39] <ubuntu> and can't be regconized by alternative CD
[09:39] <rikioh> im wanting 1 hdd linux and the other hdd windows
[09:39] <rikioh> i got it working like that already just linux doesnt load all the way
[09:39] <kraut> moin
[09:39] <arso> guys
[09:39] <arso> in azureues
[09:39] <arso> i get
[09:39] <arso> DHT FIREWALLED
[09:40] <arso> wat does that mean? how can i fix it
[09:40] <arso> please :)
[09:41] <noaXess_kubuntu> arso: check the firewall settings
[09:41] <rikioh> its strange its got the blue loading bar before you see the gui for kubuntu... when the bar fills up the screen blinks then the bar is empty again and appears frozen.. if i hit ctrl.alt.f1 it asks me for my username and password and logs in but when i try ctr.alt.f7 or f8 the graphics dont come back i just get a blinking underscore
[09:41] <rikioh> and i cant do anything from there
[09:41] <larson9999> rikioh: have you tried using the recovery mode, or whatever it's called?
[09:41] <voicu> arso: search on google for dht firewalled, other peopled already discussed about that
[09:42] <arso> k
[09:42] <rikioh> what am i trying to recover because recovery mode just dumps me into prompt
[09:42] <rikioh> or command line
[09:42] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: can be a graficcard problem..
[09:42] <rikioh> i dunno what the problem would be im using the card right now
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> I need help getting a Creative Labs Zen recognized under Kubuntu
[09:42] <noaXess_kubuntu> !ati
[09:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:42] <larson9999> rikioh: yeah. was wondering if command line mode works.
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> I installed gnomad2
[09:43] <voicu> rikioh, it may be because of the x server. when i first installed kubuntu i was using hoary and i set up my mouse wrong. and that crashed kdm
[09:43] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: try that
[09:43] <noaXess_kubuntu> !ati
[09:43] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> but its not automounting the mp3 via USB
[09:43] <larson9999> rikioh: i'm guessing your video card/xorg is the problem.
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> !mp3 player
[09:43] <ubotu> I know nothing about mp3 player - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:44] <rikioh> can i install that without actually getting into kubuntu?
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> didn't think so
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> rikioh, you can log in a fail safe terminal
[09:44] <larson9999> rikioh: sounds a lot llike the things that happen on my system when i had my nvidia card set up incorrectly.
[09:45] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: yea.. you can do that from console mode...
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> there is a sda2 in my /media folder...
[09:45] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: read i carefully
[09:45] <rikioh> ok
[09:45] <rikioh> ill give it a read over
[09:45] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: i had the same on my asus notebook... just do it like they described and it works..
[09:46] <Admiral_Chicago> kzenexplorer is giving me the same thing
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone? help with a Creative mp3 player?
[09:47] <Healot> if i have one, I would use Windows application with it
[09:47] <grothesk> Hi
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> Healot, ?
[09:48] <Healot> because the creative hardware isn't Linux friendly
[09:48] <Admiral_Chicago> The windows installer didn't work either
[09:48] <grothesk> Is someone already running kde 3.5.4? I have to crosscheck something.
[09:48] <Admiral_Chicago> I just want to mount the drive
[09:48] <Healot> lsusb Admiral_Chicago
[09:49] <Healot> dmesg > to find more info about the hardware, if detected
[09:50] <Healot> is that RIO by any chance?
[09:53] <rikioh> ok heres a question how do i run the ati fglrx driver from cd
[09:53] <rikioh> once im at the command promt
[09:55] <Healot> you mean install it?
[09:55] <Healot> !find fglrx
[09:55] <ubotu> Found: fglrx-control, xorg-driver-fglrx, xorg-driver-fglrx-dev, fglrx-kernel-source
[09:55] <Healot> xorg-driver-fglrx << install this
[09:55] <Healot> !info xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:55] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx: Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators. In repository restricted, is optional. Version 7.0.0-8.25.18+2.6.15.11-3 (dapper), package size 10309 kB, installed size 29468 kB
[09:55] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: have you internet connection?
[09:56] <rikioh> yes
[09:56] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: then you don't need the cd...
[09:56] <Healot> rikioh, you might need more help, follow the next links
[09:56] <rikioh> but i cant get into kubuntu and get on the internet and download them.... because i cant get into kubuntu
[09:57] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: but you're on the terminal right?
[09:57] <rikioh> i can be
[09:57] <rikioh> yes
[09:57] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: do a yum check-update
[09:58] <Healot> apt-get
[09:58] <rikioh> so is that all i type to get a yum check update
[09:58] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[09:58] <rikioh> i did
[09:59] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: if the gc is an ati..
[09:59] <rikioh> basically i guess what im asking is can i download this driver thru the kubuntu command promt?
[09:59] <rikioh> or do i have to get it there some other way
[10:00] <rikioh> or can i go in right now and type sudo apt -get update
[10:00] <rikioh> and do all that and it downloads it
[10:00] <Healot> rikioh: are you on the liveCD session atm?
[10:00] <rikioh> and installs it
[10:00] <rikioh> im on windows
[10:00] <rikioh> on first hdd
[10:01] <rikioh> live cd dont work either it freezes just like my installd version
[10:01] <rikioh> it freezes at the same spot
[10:01] <Healot> rikioh: just my one cent, if you're not ready, stick to Windows, or buy a Mac
[10:02] <rikioh> im ready to do this i just dont have experience because i havnt already done it
[10:02] <Healot> hehe... just what I thought
[10:03] <rikioh> its installed on this pc on my second hdd i can boot to it and it attempts to get there... i just feel so close
[10:03] <Healot> rikioh, here is my other one cent, download the "alternate CD"
[10:04] <rikioh> i have it
[10:04] <rikioh> thats what i used to install it
[10:04] <Healot> the installer is text based, but it has no reputation to crash
[10:04] <Healot> unless you're a total newbie :_)
[10:04] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: install the binary ati driver..
[10:04] <rikioh> is that on the alt disc?
[10:05] <Healot> the ati official binary driver, that's more pain to your ass rikioh
[10:05] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: ?? you are in the command line right??
[10:05] <rikioh> no basically i cant be on the internet and trying to fix my problem at the same time
[10:06] <rikioh> i have 1 pc
[10:06] <rikioh> im on windows now with my first hdd
[10:06] <rikioh> all my problems are on hdd 2
[10:06] <noaXess_kubuntu> rikioh: but if you boot your kubuntu you get into terminal and you can ping any host, you get internet access?
[10:06] <rikioh> so im trying to get advice then reboot and try them
[10:06] <rikioh> i havnt tried
[10:07] <noaXess_kubuntu> try that.. ping 194.158.230.53
[10:07] <rikioh> k be back here in a few minutes
[10:07] <noaXess_kubuntu> it yhould give you an answer
[10:10] <arso> how do i find my version of kde
[10:10] <MilhousePunkRock> arso: Help --> About KDE
[10:11] <arso> thnx
[10:21] <damian_> how do i find out what OS i have
[10:22] <Healot> Control Panel - System
[10:22] <rob> um..
[10:22] <rob> haha
[10:22] <Healot> lsb_release -a
[10:23] <damian_> ok thnx
[10:28] <rikioh> ok heres the update news :)
[10:29] <rikioh> i did have an internet connection from the command prompt because i was able to ping
[10:29] <rikioh> so at that point i decided to try typing  "sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx"
[10:29] <rikioh> it downloaded and installed it
[10:30] <rikioh> so i then followed what the faq said and i typed "aticonfig --initial"
[10:30] <rikioh> but i got this error
[10:31] <rikioh> writing to 'etc/x11/xorg.conf failed. bad file descriptor
[10:31] <rikioh> so then i tried "aticonfig --overlaay-type=xv"
[10:31] <rikioh> and got this error
[10:31] <rikioh> no ati device was found in the file '/etc/x11/xorg.conf'
[10:32] <voicu> you have to write sudo aticonfig --initial
[10:32] <voicu> it needs root access
[10:32] <larson9999> do you need 'sudo aticonfig --initial' ?
[10:32] <rikioh> yes i tried that  and i got the writing to etc/x11/xorg/conf failed. bad file desciptor
[10:33] <voicu> that seems a filesystem problem
[10:33] <Healot> X11
[10:33] <Healot> big X
[10:34] <larson9999> Healot: i'm thinking he just typed that.  the command would know to use X11
[10:34] <arso> umm guys
[10:34] <arso> on amarok
[10:34] <arso> i rescanned my collection
[10:34] <arso> and its shows i have 4099 songs
[10:34] <arso> but playlist is  empty
[10:34] <arso> 4209*
[10:35] <voicu> you have to drag-drop songs in the playlist, duh
[10:35] <arso> but before it was fine
[10:35] <voicu> or if the collection is empty restart amarok
[10:35] <arso> i scanned my whole playlist before and it worked
[10:35] <rikioh> the instructions also had a manual option which said to edit xorg.conf
[10:35] <rikioh> should i attempt to do that?
[10:35] <arso> resolution problems?
[10:36] <rikioh> trying to properly setup ati drivers i suppose
[10:36] <larson9999> rikioh: sure
[10:36] <Healot> rikioh: if you don;t know any of X option. better stick to "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[10:36] <arso> rikioh:  another one i see, i am ati too ;)  , had some trouble earlier
[10:36] <arso> but once i installed that fglrx or something , it was fine
[10:37] <voicu> bad file descriptor is a filesystem error, it doesn't have anything to do with X or aticonfig, i think
[10:37] <Four23619> my Radeon 9800 Pro is fairly easy to get working with 3D
[10:37] <Healot> the previous 9xxx series should be easy to work with
[10:37] <larson9999> viocu that's why i was thinking edit it to see if there are problems
[10:37] <rikioh> arso was yours freezing right before the kubuntu login (before installing drivers)
[10:37] <Healot> the newer Xxxx series are tough cookie...
[10:38] <rikioh> i have a x850xt
[10:38] <arso> rikioh:  nope .
[10:38] <arso> i have an integrated series 200
[10:38] <Four23619> i just download the drivers & install the drivers from synaptic, then edit xorg.conf and change the driver to "fglrx", then restart
[10:38] <arso> yup thats wat i did Four23619
[10:38] <arso> rikioh:  did u do all that?
[10:38] <voicu> larson9999 you're right, rikioh try to edit the file manually to see if you get the same error
[10:38] <rikioh> i did everything but edit xorg.conf
[10:39] <arso> so go ahead and do it
[10:39] <rikioh> all i gotta figure out now is the commands to do it :)
[10:39] <Healot> man xrog.conf first
[10:39] <Healot> man xorg.conf
[10:39] <Healot> learn all the X server options and settings
[10:40] <rikioh> so when i get to the command i type man xorg.conf
[10:41] <larson9999> Healot: i'm thinking just see if he can edit it not to really change it.  i'm thinking the fs error is the problem and it's not the reconfig script
[10:41] <voicu> rikioh, use vi. to edit type a and then the text. escape to stop editing. :w to save and :q to quit
[10:41] <Healot> nano is more suitable for people who just migrate
[10:41] <voicu> first just try to see if you can change the file
[10:41] <Healot> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:41] <larson9999> should we really be telling someone that is new to use vi to edit a system file?  :)
[10:42] <Healot> i am not sure if vi/vim is installed by default with kubuntu
[10:42] <voicu> vi is easy if you stick to a esc :w and :q :P
[10:42] <rikioh> ok so im gonna go try and see if i can do this
[10:42] <rikioh> ill be back shortly
[10:42] <Chousuke> Healot: vi should be by default on ALL unixes. :P
[10:42] <_pedro> Hello everyone
[10:43] <Healot> yeah
[10:43] <_pedro> Since last update I cannot see preview of media files in the icons on konqueror
[10:43] <Healot> and migrating people will switch back to MacOS or Windows :)
[10:43] <Chousuke> Vi is a nice editor for quick edits though.
[10:43] <larson9999> voicu: nah, you really should read about vi first.  you can't even insert without learning a command.  i'm not saying it's not a good editor.  i use it all the time.  but for someone new
[10:43] <Four23619> im not a big fan of vi, but thats probably because i havent mastered it yet
[10:44] <_pedro> I am looking for it in configuration of konqueror but I don't know how to do it
[10:44] <MilhousePunkRock> voicu: You can even do :wq in one step
[10:44] <_pedro> any help?
[10:44] <Chousuke> you can get pretty far if you just know  :wq, i and esc :P
[10:44] <Chousuke> oh, and :q!
[10:44] <larson9999> vi is fine, you should just take an hour or so and learn the commands and how to navigate via hjkl
[10:45] <noiesmo> Hello all
[10:45] <Four23619> hello noiesmo
[10:47] <_pedro> isn't any idea?
[10:47] <voicu> i'm not a vi master but i use it because it's safer. you cannot make a stupid mistake unless you want to
[10:47] <Healot> _pedro: via the menu
[10:47] <Healot> Tools - Settings
[10:47] <_pedro> I am looking on it
[10:47] <Four23619> i should learn vi
[10:47] <Healot> Konfigure Konqueror
[10:47] <_pedro> what is the protocol do I have to active?
[10:48] <_pedro> Because I click on media and there is no response
[10:48] <Healot> did you install the appropriate programs?
[10:48] <larson9999> rikioh: can you edit xorg.conf?
[10:49] <_pedro> what is the apropriate programs?
[10:50] <Healot> what kinda of media are you referring?
[10:50] <_pedro> video
[10:50] <Healot> mp3? divx/xvid avi? mpeg?
[10:50] <_pedro> any video
[10:50] <Healot> _pedro: follow the links
[10:50] <_pedro> divx, avi, mpeg
[10:50] <Healot> !mp3
[10:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:51] <noiesmo> Using Ubuntu or Kubuntu is there a way to access or should I say except an invitation for M$ xp Remote Asssistant
[10:55] <rikioh> guys im in kubuntu :)
[10:55] <rikioh> im so happy
[10:55] <rikioh> i used sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:56] <Four23619> 3D?
[10:56] <rikioh> it loaded the file up and i went down till i found input device radeon x850xt then under driver it was ati... and i changed that to fglrx
[10:56] <rikioh> and now it works :)
[10:56] <Four23619> cool
[10:56] <rikioh> thank you everyone for all the help you have given me tonight
[10:58] <larson9999> i'm so proud my solution worked.  i think i'm blushing.
[10:58] <Four23619> such a nice community (K)Ubuntu has :)
[10:59] <rikioh> im using konversation right now to tell you the good news larson :)
[10:59] <Four23619> much better than the "rtfm" solution that some other communites have
[11:00] <rikioh> now its time to learn learn learn
[11:01] <grothesk> ** (process:5101): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[11:01] <grothesk> That massage apprears when installing kdebase-bin 3.5.4 of a kubuntu installation.
[11:01] <larson9999> Four23619: there are more and more channels these days that are not so mean.
[11:01] <grothesk> What should I do about it?
[11:01] <Ace2007> hi i got this error when running aclocal : http://pastebin.com/761676    Can someone please help me to sort it
[11:02] <taavi> hi
[11:02] <Four23619> i know, but i still find this communty to be very friendly
[11:02] <taavi> how can i get my system tray back?
[11:02] <taavi> i accidentaly removed it
[11:02] <abattoir_> taavi: rt. click on the kicker(panel)->Add Applet->System Tray
[11:03] <taavi> there is no option add applet
[11:03] <taavi> must i install another version of ubuntu to get that option?
[11:03] <Hobbsee> grothesk: ignore it, i think
[11:03] <abattoir> taavi: KDE? Is the panel locked?
[11:04] <abattoir> taavi: are you using KDE?
[11:04] <taavi> yes
[11:04] <abattoir> or GNOME?
[11:04] <abattoir> taavi: is the panel unlocked?
[11:04] <grothesk> Hobbsee: But my kcontrol crashes when opening some items there.
[11:04] <taavi> kde i belive
[11:04] <taavi> unlocked
[11:04] <grothesk> The hotkeys-area, for example, Hobbsee
[11:04] <abattoir> taavi: if you are using 'KDE' then if you rt. click on the panel, you'd see 'Add Applet to panel'...
[11:05] <abattoir> taavi: i cant think of any exceptions where you wouldnt see it...
[11:05] <abattoir> taavi: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[11:05] <taavi> there's only add to panel optin, and under that i cant find the sys tray
[11:05] <taavi> ubuntu
[11:06] <abattoir> taavi: hmm, i think you opened up Konversation from Ubuntu, hence it redirected you here
[11:06] <taavi> mm
[11:06] <taavi> ok
[11:06] <abattoir> taavi: ask at #ubuntu
[11:07] <abattoir> taavi: hmmm, try 'Help->About KDE'
[11:07] <taavi> ok
[11:07] <taavi> thanks
[11:07] <abattoir> taavi: does it say anything about KDE?
[11:07] <taavi> no
[11:08] <abattoir> taavi: then i'm pretty sure you are running GNOME...
[11:08] <taavi> to my mind i installed kde but maybe not..
[11:08] <abattoir> taavi: as i said ask @ #ubuntu ...
[11:08] <abattoir> taavi: if you installed ubuntu, it comes w/ GNOME(unless you install KDE after the installation)
[11:08] <abattoir> Kubuntu comes w/ KDE
[11:09] <abattoir> taavi: was the system tray at the top right corner?
[11:09] <rouzic> Hi
[11:09] <nocti> hello, how do i update my kubuntu without an internet connection? thanks
[11:09] <abattoir> nocti: you can update from a CD... or even a flash disk....
[11:10] <taavi> i got it back
[11:10] <taavi> notification area it is called
[11:10] <abattoir> taavi: it is in the top-right corner?
[11:10] <taavi> yes
[11:11] <abattoir> taavi: ok, you are using GNOME :)
[11:11] <taavi> yes,sorry
[11:11] <abattoir> nocti: if you have a CD of the latest version of kubuntu, you can use 'apt-cdrom' to add it as a source, and update from it
[11:11] <abattoir> nocti: apt-zip is somewhat similar... for flash drives though
[11:12] <abattoir> ...among other things.
[11:12] <nocti> abattoir, i just need the non-connected box to have an updated list of files, so that when i do "apt-get install -qq --print-uris pkg" it will list the links to the packages
[11:12] <nocti> abattoir, and i can dl the packages on the office windows box
[11:12] <nocti> abattoir, but i dont know how to update it's pkg list
[11:13] <serenity> hi
[11:13] <nick_> hello! i've just changed from windows to kubuntu and it's very good!!
[11:13] <abattoir> nocti: hmm, so you plan on getting an updated list, then a link for each package, download them manually, and install them manually?
[11:13] <abattoir> nick_: cool :)
[11:13] <nocti> abattoir, that's the idea yes
[11:13] <serenity> where can i edit the colums in azureus? Put some out...
[11:14] <abattoir> nocti: trust me, downloading a cd iso, burning it, and using apt-cdrom is easier...
[11:14] <nick_> because i had problems with windows activation procedure
[11:14] <nocti> but if the non-connected box's pkg list is not updated, doing an apt-get install --print-uris wont work because it will not see the pkgs
[11:15] <nocti> abattoir, the cd iso doesn't have all the apps i need, if i need something like enlightenment or fluxbox, it's not in the cd iso
[11:15] <nick_> do somebody know i've there is a version of MSN messenger for linux?
[11:15] <nocti> nick_, gaim
[11:15] <abattoir> nick_: Kopete is a multi-protocol IM client that comes pre-installed w/ Kubuntu
[11:15] <farous> nick_: you mean amsn
[11:16] <nick_> yes because there are more funcions at a msn version
[11:16] <abattoir> nick_: as mentioned above, Gaim(another multi-protocol client) and Amsn are alternatives
[11:16] <larson9999> kepote
[11:16] <farous> nick_: kopete and gaim are pretty decent
[11:16] <grothesk> nick_: kmess or amsn are MSN-only-clients, afaik.
[11:16] <abattoir> nick_: if you want all the fancy stuff like whiteboard(or whatever it is called), then go for amsn...
[11:16] <farous> non though have voice chat :(
[11:17] <larson9999> i like kepote because web cam works
[11:17] <nick_> o
[11:17] <nick_> ok
[11:18] <arso> amarok still showing nothing
[11:18] <arso> donno wat the hell is wrong with it
[11:18] <_pedro> where is the directory where the configuration of konqueror is saved?
[11:18] <Four23619> amsn.. ill have to try that
[11:18] <Four23619> ty abattoir
[11:18] <abattoir> !info amsn
[11:18] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.95-1 (dapper), package size 2233 kB, installed size 7852 kB
[11:19] <abattoir> Four23619: ^^^^ its in universe
[11:19] <Four23619> cool ty
[11:19] <nick_> i'm installing amsn
[11:19] <nick_> it's almost the same as msn
[11:19] <abattoir> _pedro: ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc and ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror
[11:19] <Four23619> just another nail for my Window$ partition :)
[11:20] <Four23619> sonner thats gone, the better
[11:20] <abattoir> nocti: you could always download those packages separately... instead of downloading everything(including the base system) manually
[11:20] <arso> nick_:   gaim is better than amsn
[11:20] <abattoir> nocti: but then again, its your call...
[11:20] <MilhousePunkRock> wb abattoir
[11:20] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hi :)
[11:21] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: was i gone for that long? :S
[11:21] <abattoir> :P
[11:21] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: No reply for almost an hour, gone 20 minutes ago
[11:21] <nocti> abattoir, how about dependencies? it's such a hassle to search through the ubuntu pkg tree and not knowing if you already have that library or not
[11:21] <nick_> hmm i've download it but when i want to open the file i get an error
[11:22] <abattoir> nocti: indeed, that's the problem you'd face if you did it manually...
[11:22] <nocti> abattoir, :)
[11:22] <jan__> hi all
[11:22] <_pedro> I cannot understand...
[11:22] <jan__> im new on ubuntu
[11:23] <abattoir> nocti: if you really want fluxbox/e17, it might be better choosing a distro which comes w/ that...
[11:23] <_pedro> I have confirmed that I have all the apropriates programs installed to see preview in icons at konqueror
[11:23] <farous> nocti: fluxbox is in ubuntu abattoir
[11:23] <_pedro> lately, I thought that in my pc there are 2 users
[11:24] <abattoir> farous: yes, but his computer has no internet, and he wants to download the packages manually... and sort all the dependencies...
[11:24] <_pedro> and the other one can see without problems the preview so I copied the configuration
[11:24] <_pedro> and still I cannot do it!
[11:24] <nocti> abattoir, :)
[11:24] <_pedro> looking for the difference via menu in konqueror, It is the same in both cases
[11:25] <_pedro> what can I do?
[11:25] <abattoir> _pedro: Settings->Configure...->Previews &....
[11:25] <farous> abattoir: i compiled fluxbox no hastle
[11:25] <abattoir> _pedro: check if you have all the filetypes you want checked...
[11:25] <abattoir> _pedro: another important thing is the filesize...
[11:25] <_pedro> they are
[11:25] <_pedro> what's wrong withe the filesize?
[11:25] <_pedro> 5 Mb
[11:26] <abattoir> _pedro: let's say you want to preview an image which is 7 MB, you wont be able to...
[11:26] <abattoir> _pedro: so make sure it is larger than the size of the files you want to preview
[11:27] <_pedro> I am sure
[11:27] <_pedro> and like I said
[11:27] <_pedro> there is another user in my pc with the same configuration and he can see it
[11:27] <_pedro> anyway
[11:28] <_pedro> I changed to 7 Mb and there is no change
[11:28] <abattoir> _pedro: what do you want to preview? images?
[11:29] <_pedro> video
[11:29] <_pedro> divx/xvid, avi, mpeg
[11:29] <_pedro> etc
[11:29] <abattoir> _pedro: images work?
[11:30] <_pedro> mmm
[11:30] <_pedro> let me see it
[11:30] <Healot> !mp3
[11:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:30] <Healot> !info libxine-extracodecs
[11:30] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[11:30] <_pedro> yes, it works
[11:31] <_pedro> if it were a problem of packages to install I guess that the other user in my pc couldn't preview video
[11:32] <abattoir> _pedro: see if you have Video checked in View->Preview
[11:32] <_pedro> damn!!
[11:32] <_pedro> that is the point!!
[11:33] <rikioh> im attempting to install java with kubuntu and i download both linux versions one was rpm and the other was regular... both were .bin files tho
[11:33] <_pedro> I kwew it was a silly thing
[11:33] <rikioh> i figured i would have to extract these with ark wouldnt i?
[11:33] <abattoir> rikioh: dont download the rpm, download the other one
[11:33] <rikioh> otherwise how do i install them
[11:33] <rikioh> i have both
[11:33] <abattoir> rikioh: oh, you downloaded both...
[11:33] <_pedro> thanks very much
[11:33] <abattoir> rikioh: btw, the repos have java too now...
[11:33] <abattoir> rikioh: take the .bin version
[11:33] <_pedro> ;)
[11:34] <abattoir> rikioh: open a konsole in the current directory
[11:34] <Healot> just chmod correctly
[11:34] <abattoir> _pedro: you're welcome :)
[11:34] <Healot> chmod +x filename > rikioh
[11:34] <Healot> next ./filename (if the file is in the current directory)
[11:37] <rikioh> ok so i go to run command
[11:38] <rikioh> and type chmod +x java.bin
[11:38] <abattoir> rikioh: not run command, a konsole(terminal)
[11:38] <abattoir> in the run command dialog, type konsole
[11:39] <Healot> make sure you change the current directory to where that binary file is located
[11:39] <rikioh> its on my desktop
[11:39] <rikioh> thats where the binary is
[11:40] <farous> rikosave yourself lot of tweeking and install  from multiverse repos
[11:40] <abattoir> rikioh: then as soon as the konsole opens up, type 'cd Desktop'
[11:40] <rikioh> no such file or directory
[11:41] <rikioh> its already at desktop i believe
[11:41] <rikioh> cuz when i type dir it says desktop exaples nano.save
[11:41] <abattoir> rikioh: ok, then execute the commands Healot said..
[11:42] <Healot> cd ~/Desktop
[11:42] <Healot> good old UNIX shortcut
[11:43] <rikioh> i think its already on the desktop healot
[11:43] <rikioh> cuz when i type that i get bash:cd~/Desktop: no such file or directore
[11:45] <abattoir> rikioh: cd<space>~/Desktop
[11:45] <Healot> space, honey, space, mind the space
[11:46] <digibre4k> i'm back...how the GAIM n' KOPETE works???how can we get friend 2 chat on there???
[11:47] <rikioh> ok so i did that and it switched to desktop... i then typed chmod +x java.bin and it did nothing that i can tell
[11:47] <rikioh> did it install?
[11:47] <rikioh> it didnt give me any error
[11:47] <rikioh> just a new line popped up saying ~/destop$
[11:47] <rikioh> desktop
[11:48] <Healot> now ./java.bin >> if this is the filename
[11:48] <Healot> yeah it should return to the next prompt line
[11:48] <rikioh> yeh it returned to the next prompt line
[11:49] <rikioh> so does that mean its installed healot?
[11:51] <rikioh> eh doesnt look like it did
[11:51] <rikioh> cuz i cant load this java applet
[11:53] <farous> rikioh: first there is a free java installed by default with kubuntu/ubuntu. Second the file you downloaded most probably extracted in your desktop dir. you need to copy it to its appropriate location. Third you need to copy the javaplugin file or at least link it to the appropriate dir so firefox/konquer can find it
[11:53] <farous> rikioh: you could have saved your self all this hastle by installing from the repos
[11:54] <farous> !sun-java-plugin
[11:54] <ubotu> I know nothing about sun-java-plugin - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:54] <paines> hi
[11:54] <farous> !java
[11:54] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[11:55] <rikioh> farous i dont know where it put it cuz theres nothing else on my desktop
[11:55] <farous> rikioh: did you use sudo when you ran this bin file
[11:55] <rikioh> i used chmod
[11:56] <bouncy> !tar
[11:56] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde)
[11:57] <farous> then it was not installed in its proper place /usr/lib/jvm/java...
[11:57] <farous> the plugins should be linked to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[11:58] <rikioh> i dont have firefox
[11:58] <farous> rikioh: when you download the package dir then you take care of its configuration and tweeking
[11:59] <farous> rikioh: lets take it one step at a time
[11:59] <arso> wtf
[11:59] <arso> amarok
[11:59] <arso> when i go to playlist > shuffle
[11:59] <arso> nothing happens
[11:59] <farous> where was the java files extracted
[11:59] <arso> don know wat swrong with amarok today
[11:59] <rikioh> farous i have no clue
[12:00] <rikioh> i opened konsole
[12:00] <rikioh> switched to the desktop
[12:00] <arso> anyone
[12:00] <rikioh> and typed chmod +x java.bin
[12:00] <farous> look for it under desktop or under your home dir
[12:00] <rikioh> and then it went to the next line
[12:01] <farous> rikioh: you downloaded sun java right
[12:01] <klerfayt> is it possible to make kaffeine play x264 codec?
[12:01] <rikioh> java.com version
[12:01] <arso> how do i reinstal amarok
[12:01] <farous> jre or jdk
[12:01] <arso> HOW DO I REINSTAL AMAROK PLEASE
[12:01] <farous> arso: use adept
[12:01] <Riddell> arso: don't shout thanks
[12:02] <rikioh> jre
[12:02] <farous> good use konq too see where it is installed search under your home dir for a dir named jre or lib
[12:03] <asraniel> hi, i have a problem with french (and german) special chars in text files (lin      )
[12:03] <asraniel> *like
[12:03] <paines> asraniel, is the keyboard set to 105 keys + nodeadkeys
[12:04] <asraniel> when i open i text file ( a php file in that case) that has such chars in it, i see only wierd chars
[12:04] <asraniel> paines: there is no problem for the input, but to open and save files that have such chars in them
[12:05] <paines> asraniel, ahh. sorry, i thought typing
[12:05] <paines> asraniel, then maybe you are missing the german and french language packs.
[12:06] <farous> asraniel: might be the default font. had simialr problem here with arabic charactes
[12:06] <rikioh> ok farous it found a jre folder under usr/lib/jvm/java-1.4.2-gcj-4.1-1.4.2.0/
[12:07] <farous> rikioh: that is the default java installed with ubuntu it is not the sun-java one
[12:07] <farous> rikioh: will work with openoffice but not with your web browser
[12:08] <farous> rikioh: you need to insall sun-java5-plugin package and you are done
[12:08] <asraniel> farous: i only found one french language pack, but after the description its for translations. but i install it anyways, lets see if it helps
[12:09] <farous> asraniel: most probably it is a meta package that will insall among others ther required fonts
[12:10] <rikioh> where are you finding this plugin package cuz all i can find are you .bin files one of which is an rpm file
[12:11] <farous> rikioh: open adept the package manager
[12:11] <farous> search for the package then install it
[12:11] <asraniel> farous: its just that i dont think its a font problem, because i can see the chars when i type them or if they are on a webpage, but not if open a text file that has been created under windows
[12:12] <Healot> !info sun-java5-jdk
[12:12] <ubotu> sun-java5-jdk: Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-06-1 (dapper), package size 4868 kB, installed size 11548 kB
[12:12] <Healot> !info sun-java5-jre
[12:12] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-06-1 (dapper), package size 7169 kB, installed size 15768 kB
[12:12] <farous> Healot: he need the plugin for the web browser
[12:13] <Healot> the jre then
[12:13] <Healot> the jre comes with the browser plugin
[12:13] <farous> nope there is a sun-java5-plugin package will automatically install the jre
[12:13] <farous> and all other requireed packages
[12:13] <farous> and make the necessary symbolic links
[12:15] <rikioh> so what should i do then?
[12:15] <farous> rikioh: it is advisable to search for anything you want to install in the kubuntu repos first. adept is a really nice gui to do that
[12:16] <rikioh> ok
[12:16] <farous> rikioh: you run kubuntu right
[12:16] <rikioh> yes
[12:17] <farous> ok to have an idea how to do thing in ubuntu it is advisable to have a look at help.ubuntu.com
[12:17] <farous> rikioh: do you know how to open adept
[12:17] <rikioh> im in it
[12:18] <farous> rikioh: do you have the extra repos enabled. universe and multiverse
[12:18] <rikioh> not sure what u mean by that but there is a huge list of upgrades or updates
[12:18] <farous> rikioh: when you search for sun do you see the sun-java packages
[12:20] <rikioh> no some chinese stuff comes up
[12:20] <rikioh> it says something about chinese
[12:20] <rikioh> but nothing about java
[12:20] <farous> rikioh: then most prob the extra repos are not enabled
[12:20] <farous> !repos
[12:20] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[12:21] <farous> rikioh: have a look at ubotu links
[12:21] <rikioh> k
[12:22] <farous> rikioh: i am afraid i have not used the gui for apt for a long time and can only help you through the command line. I though recommend you do it through the gui so perhaps others can help with using adept to add the universe and multiverse repos
[12:25] <farous> rikioh: here is the link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:38] <kristyon> anyone know why kicker keeps crashing in kubuntu in dapper
[12:40] <|lostbyte|> kristyon, Remove all applets you added..
[12:40] <|lostbyte|> and see which one is crashing it.
[12:40] <cotroler> How do i uninstall gnome in kubuntu (i have kubuntu kde)
[12:41] <zan> hello! could someone please tell me how to set kopete to connect on start-up to a yahoo account? :D pls
[12:42] <cotroler> How do i uninstall gnome in kubuntu (i have kubuntu kde)
[12:44] <kana> cotroler: there is no easy way to do it. how did you install it by the way using apt-get or aptitude
[12:44] <cotroler> kana: by apt-get
[12:45] <kristyon> reinstall kubuntu
[12:45] <kana> there is no easy way try removing libgtk this will remove most of the gnome stuff
[12:45] <kana> sudo aptitude purge ~nlibgtk
[12:45] <cotroler> k tnx
[12:46] <kana> :)
[12:46] <kristyon> cant remove some applets
[12:46] <kristyon> any manual config I can edit?
[12:53] <joscha> kopete problems with icq?
[12:53] <Teejay_wp> I had problems connecting to icq a little while ago with Kopete
[12:53] <Teejay_wp> something about the client being out of date, now it is gone
[12:54] <Teejay_wp> :S
[12:54] <joscha> i have this problem now...
[12:54] <joscha> think i will have to tell all my friends to use jabber
[12:55] <rudiz> how to configure automatic upstart of an application ?
[12:56] <fritsch> Teejay_wp: it`s fixed in edgy ;-)
[12:57] <fritsch> Teejay_wp: which kde version do you user? 3.5.3?
[12:57] <fritsch> Teejay_wp: i compiled working kopete for this yesterday, could give you the packages
[12:58] <Teejay_wp> 3.5.2
[12:58] <rudiz> automatic startup of opera in kubuntu is it possible?
[12:58] <fritsch> Teejay_wp: should have been fixed yesterday
[12:58] <fritsch> Teejay_wp: try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[12:59] <Teejay_wp> I am doing it now
[01:00] <fritsch> !restrictedformats
[01:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:00] <fritsch> thx ubotu (faster than bookmarks)
[01:00] <fritsch> :-)
[01:01] <Teejay_wp> can I ask a question, has anybody managed to open .ace files in kubuntu?
[01:01] <fritsch> Teejay_wp: yes
[01:01] <Teejay_wp> which program did you install?
[01:01] <fritsch> Teejay_wp: enable multiverse and install unace
[01:01] <Teejay_wp> thanks
[01:01] <fritsch> Teejay_wp: its in universe
[01:01] <fritsch> !unace
[01:01] <ubotu> I know nothing about unace - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[01:03] <pavlos> ubuntu (with kde) is one click away from Torwalds dream... Linux World Domination... hehe ... i like it
[01:17] <SeanTater> fritsch: !info unace
[01:17] <fritsch> SeanTater: ty
[01:17] <fritsch> !info unace
[01:17] <ubotu> unace: extract, test and view .ace archives. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.2b-3 (dapper), package size 14 kB, installed size 80 kB
[01:17] <SeanTater> fritsch: :D
[01:17] <fritsch> cool
[01:17] <nalpha> hello
[01:17] <SeanTater> nalpha: hello
[01:18] <SeanTater> nalpha: something you need?
[01:18] <nalpha> i want to ask you all how to use bit torrent in linux ubuntu??
[01:18] <fritsch> nalpha: just start ktorrent
[01:18] <nalpha> how?
[01:18] <SeanTater> nalpha: look in the K menu for ktorrent
[01:18] <nalpha> there is not?
[01:18] <fritsch> nalpha: alt SPACE, then type ktorrent
[01:18] <AL89> sudo apt-get update
[01:18] <AL89> sudo apt-get install ktorrent
[01:18] <fritsch> nalpha: sudo apt-get install ktorrent
[01:18] <SeanTater> nalpha: actually, better than that, go to the .torrent and clock it, it will open in ktorrent
[01:19] <nalpha> okey thankyu all
[01:19] <nalpha> already install ktorent
[01:20] <nalpha> just want to ask what is the relation between ktorent and bittorent?
[01:22] <tdn> I have recently installed kubuntu-desktop. When I installed it I wasn't sure that I would keep it, so I chose to stay with gdm for some time in stead of kdm. Now I am ready to use kdm in stead of gdm. How do I specify with login manager I want to use?
[01:22] <SeanTater> nalpha: bittorrent is a library, I think, and ktorrent and countless other torrent downloaders use it, along with the original bittorrent downloader, bittorrent.
[01:23] <SeanTater> tdn: is kdm installed, just not used?
[01:23] <SeanTater> tdn: if it's already installed, do the following:
[01:23] <tdn> SeanTater, installed, not used. Yes.
[01:23] <SeanTater> tdn: dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[01:23] <SeanTater> tdn: oops, but a sudo before that
[01:24] <tdn> SeanTater, ok. Thanks.
[01:24] <SeanTater> yw
[01:24] <tdn> SeanTater, then I need to log out and log in again?
[01:24] <SeanTater> tdn: you may need to restart
[01:24] <SeanTater> tdn: I don;t think logging out does it
[01:25] <SeanTater> tdn: I even tried to restart Xorg, but it did not do it either, sorry for the uptime killer
[01:25] <tdn> SeanTater, ok.
[01:32] <tdn> Where do I fint kcontrol in the menus?
[01:33] <Tm_T> tdn: iirc it's "hidden" by default or something
[01:33] <Tm_T> tdn: use run dialog ;)
[01:33] <puttz> can some one help me to open a rar file ? :)
[01:33] <Tm_T> or edit kcontrol.desktop
[01:33] <Tm_T> puttz: warez?
[01:34] <Tbol> hi everybody
[01:34] <puttz> Tm_T : im a noob on linux ..
[01:34] <tdn> Tm_T, where do I find kcontrol.desktop?
[01:34] <puttz> i think im ask in #ubuntu-se
[01:35] <abattoir> tdn: try System Settings...
[01:35] <abattoir> tdn: if you want Kcontrol, Alt+F2->kcontrol
[01:35] <Tm_T> abattoir: well, I somehow dislike it, it's messy
[01:35] <abattoir> Tm_T: heh, I think it is organised :P
[01:36] <Tm_T> abattoir: well, Kcontrol is organised ;)
[01:36] <abattoir> Tm_T: hi, btw :)
[01:36] <tdn> abattoir, I don't want to use "System Settings". I want to use kcontrol. Also the run dialog is not an option for my users. Why should this thing be hidden?
[01:36] <Tm_T> abattoir: moin
[01:36] <abattoir> tdn: hmmm, you could add a menu entry for it if you want then
[01:36] <Tm_T> tdn: because systemsettings replace it
[01:37] <Tm_T> abattoir: no need to add, just edit
[01:37] <Tm_T> tdn: wait
[01:37] <abattoir> Tm_T: yes, that too :)
[01:38] <Tm_T> abattoir: it's just hidden, no need to duplicate it ;)
[01:39] <tdn> Tm_T, hmm... So System Settings is a replacement for kcontrol and kcontrol is going to be phased out? I really hope you are kidding.
[01:41] <Tm_T> tdn: yup, kcontrol is replaced by systemsettings (by default)
[01:41] <Tm_T> tdn: /usr/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop
[01:41] <Tm_T> use nano magic
[01:42] <Doodluv> what can i do about this? configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[01:43] <tdn> Tm_T, should I just change NoDisplay to false?
[01:43] <Tm_T> Doodluv: what cpp version?
[01:43] <Tm_T> tdn: hmm, I think that's it
[01:44] <tdn> Tm_T, ok. Thanks.
[01:44] <Doodluv> Tm_T: how do i get?
[01:44] <Tm_T> Doodluv: cpp --version
[01:45] <Doodluv> Tm_T: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[01:45] <Doodluv> sorry
[01:45] <Doodluv> Tm_T:cpp (GCC) 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)
[01:45] <Tm_T> Doodluv: hmm, interesting
[01:45] <Tm_T> Doodluv: what you're compiling?
[01:46] <tdn> How do I get more themes for kdm? And how do I switch theme?
[01:46] <Tm_T> tdn: kcontrol has the configure powers, kde-look.org has those themes
[01:46] <Doodluv> Tm_T: its a window theme, i think its really old source, tho..that may be the problem
[01:48] <Tm_T> Doodluv: ok, I see, maybe the problem is in the sources yes
[01:51] <tripppy> has anyone used all the KDE bluetooth apps?
[01:52] <Healot> i use the bt controller to get on the net
[01:53] <Healot> sending/downloading text messages
[01:53] <Healot> gnokii is kinda handy, even though xgnokii crashes often
[01:53] <zan> hello! could someone please tell me how to set kopete to connect on start-up to a yahoo account? :D pls
[01:56] <nalpha> anyone can explain me about active directory?
[01:56] <nalpha> in private message?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> zan: it's in the configurations settings.  tools, configure, accounts, auto-connect at startup, or something
[01:59] <zan> 10x
[02:09] <nalpha> anyone know what syntax to execute bin file?
[02:09] <xarkam> Salut
[02:10] <fritsch> nalpha: you mean "binary file" or "bin" from the cue/bin files? (isos)
[02:11] <nalpha> GoogleEarthLinux.bin
[02:11] <nalpha> i mean that
[02:11] <nalpha> file
[02:14] <Healot> chmod +x GoogleEarthLinux.bin
[02:14] <Healot> if that file is in the current directory
[02:24] <Sikon> anyone?
[02:24] <Healot> yup
[02:24] <Healot> ask
[02:39] <en1gma> hey all i just dlaoded kubuntu 6.0.6 amd64 version and am using the dvd as a live dvd. my question is. Is there a newer kernel that i can upgrade to and then burn kubuntu so it uses that on startup
[02:40] <abattoir> en1gma: so you want to remaster the dvd?
[02:40] <en1gma> yea i think so
[02:41] <abattoir> en1gma: yes, there is a newer kernel
[02:41] <en1gma> but can i do it on this same dvd cause i believe 3.6gig is being used on this dvd
[02:41] <abattoir> en1gma: so you just want to replace the kernel... and nothing else?
[02:41] <en1gma> so i can save the kernel on this dvd and then select it on startup or have it auto select it
[02:41] <en1gma> yea
[02:42] <en1gma> i need a module that i dont think is built in this kernel
[02:42] <abattoir> hmmm... i think it is possible... but you'd have to hack around a bit.
[02:42] <en1gma> im will to remaster a whole dvd if its easier though
[02:42] <en1gma> willing*
[02:43] <abattoir> en1gma: there is a development version of kubuntu....(might not be stable at all)... i'll check if it has a livedvd version...
[02:43] <en1gma> sweet and thnx
[02:43] <master_> hey can any one tell me howto to set zone minder on my ubuntu
[02:43] <kristyon> how do i get kde 3.53-2 on kubuntu?
[02:44] <kristyon> hear that the kicker crash is fixed
[02:44] <abattoir> kristyon: 3.5.3?
[02:44] <kristyon> cant find a repo for it
[02:44] <kristyon> 3.53-2
[02:44] <nalpha> how to transfer file between two computer in one network??
[02:44] <kristyon> already got 3.53
[02:44] <master_> to transfer file you must set up your ftp connection
[02:45] <abattoir> kristyon: afaik, KDE only releases 3.5.x ... 3.5.x-y might be a distribution's version...
[02:45] <kristyon> read it somewhere, maybe only is source then
[02:45] <abattoir> en1gma: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20060729/
[02:46] <abattoir> en1gma: as i said, dont be disappointed if you encounter breakages
[02:46] <Hobbsee> kde 3.5.4 is out, but has problems on dapper.
[02:46] <en1gma> k thnx
[02:46] <kristyon> I keep getting kicker crashing, doin my head in
[02:47] <abattoir> en1gma: this is probably the latest you could lay your hands on :P http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[02:47] <kristyon> and I cannot stop some of the applets I installed, any manual way of del. them?
[02:48] <en1gma> man i sure wish i would have got that last night
[02:49] <en1gma> im not sure if i need to get it cause i see my wireless nic when i do a 'ifconfig -a'. it shows up as ra0 but i dont see p80211 and prism2
[02:49] <en1gma> do i need to modprobe those?
[02:50] <en1gma> 1 more thing if anyone dont mind
[02:50] <en1gma> when i "su" its asking me for the pass what is it
[02:51] <kristyon> your user password
[02:51] <abattoir> en1gma: its generally 'your' password, which when entered gives you 'administrator privileges'
[02:51] <niekie> su?
[02:51] <kristyon> u need to ised sudo
[02:51] <kristyon> used sudo
[02:51] <abattoir> niekie: super user
[02:51] <kristyon> use sudo
[02:51] <niekie> You need "sudo -i" to get a root shell.
[02:51] <kristyon> instead of su
[02:51] <niekie> Not su.
[02:52] <abattoir> niekie: aah, :P
[02:52] <en1gma> thnx
[02:52] <abattoir> en1gma: saw https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/prism2_usb ?
[02:53] <en1gma> ok prism2_pci i think is what i need
[02:53] <abattoir> hmm, found only usb
[02:53] <en1gma> i had to modprobe it on another distro to get my wifi up i think*
[02:53] <en1gma> it was in lsmod anyhow
[02:54] <en1gma> i know i have to have P80211 or p80211 (cant remember which one it was
[02:54] <en1gma> thats the wifi module i believe
[02:56] <Kr4t05> There aren't any data-recovery tools available in the repos, are there?
[03:03] <acojlo> hi, just to say you: I'm more happy with gnome than kde :)
[03:05] <Martijn81> now i spot the topic: what is the difference between sudo -i and logging in as root in crtl+als+F1?
[03:05] <Martijn81> *alt
[03:05] <en1gma> god dang had to restart
[03:05] <sorush20> hi guys I'm unable to get the konqueror to print correectly with in the margins any ideas how I can change this?
[03:05] <sorush20> correctly
[03:06] <en1gma> did you say anything about that p80211 mdoule
[03:06] <Martijn81> besides the wider screen :p
[03:07] <sorush20> I want to be able to print with in the correct set margins of an A4 paper, my prints go beyond the page limits..
[03:10] <en1gma> does "wlan" have p80211 in it
[03:10] <acojlo> does initramfs has anything to do with usplash?
[03:12] <tripppy> Healot, any thing to get BT and BT headsets for phones working
[03:13] <en1gma> i did a 'modprobe wlan' and then i did a 'iwlist ra0 scan' and shell is hanging how do i get it to quit
[03:13] <en1gma> i dod a cntrl c and a cntrl z but it not working
[03:13] <niekie> Did you try a CTRL-C?
[03:13] <niekie> en1gma, ah.
[03:13] <niekie> en1gma, have you tried looking for the hanging process and killing it?
[03:13] <en1gma> i can do a cntrl-x and see characters so it not hanging to bad
[03:14] <en1gma> nope havent tried looking is it lspcid
[03:14] <en1gma> i forget syntax
[03:14] <en1gma> pid
[03:15] <en1gma> its not letting me login as sudo -i in a new shell
[03:15] <en1gma> its hanging
[03:15] <en1gma> crap
[03:15] <en1gma> i gonna reboot
[03:15] <en1gma> brb
[03:15] <sorush20> how do I merge pdf files together?
[03:16] <damian_> why the hell does ubuntu not come with a firewall
[03:16] <Healot> sorush20: use Adobe Acrobat?
[03:18] <klerfayt> damian_: I think ubuntu wants to make it's own firewall, like mandriva
[03:18] <damian_> so it doesn't have a firewall because it wants to make one?
[03:19] <sorush20> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19471
[03:19] <damian_> why not just use an already existing firewall in the meantime
[03:19] <Healot> the firewall exists alright > iptables...
[03:19] <damian_> you need to be a pro to know how to use that
[03:20] <damian_> I'm talking about a fairly easy to configure gui firewall
[03:20] <damian_> suse has one
[03:20] <Healot> only the rule chains builder that you need to install (helps you building the rules)
[03:20] <klerfayt> damian_: I'm not a security expert but I guess there is no perfect firewall for ubuntu yet
[03:20] <yamal> damasel: you just need to use a simple script/gui to set it up for you
[03:20] <damian_> i'm using firestarter which uses a script to configure iptables for you
[03:21] <damian_> that's the closest thing i could come to an ubuntu firewall
[03:21] <damasel> ok
[03:21] <klerfayt> damian_: suse's firewall isn't interactive like for example Windows fiewall
[03:21] <yamal> all firewalls on linux are just script to set up iptables
[03:21] <yamal> one way or the other so what you have is fine
[03:21] <damian_> yes i know
[03:21] <damasel> :D
[03:21] <damian_> but ubuntu provides no wizard or anything
[03:21] <damian_> at all
[03:22] <Healot> iptables is the native traffic filter << the real "firewall"
[03:22] <damian_> klerfayt what do you mean by not interactive
[03:22] <Healot> tried firestarter or shorewall yet?
[03:22] <damian_> i did
[03:22] <damian_> the former
[03:22] <eliadosom> do anybody to try enable writing in ntfs?
[03:23] <en1gma> when i do i hard restart or even come back from an improper shutdown how does kubuntu know i had an error
[03:23] <en1gma> its writing shiat to my HD?
[03:24] <en1gma> wtf is that shit
[03:24] <en1gma> i dont want it touching my HD at all
[03:24] <en1gma> is there a boot switch for no sata
[03:25] <en1gma> its got to be writing something to my hd otherwise it would not know it had an improper shutdown
[03:25] <en1gma> HELLO
[03:25] <en1gma> is someone here that can answer that Q
[03:26] <tvo> probably it only writes something on a succesful shutdown
[03:27] <Healot> en1gma: each time you boot, Linux kernel marks your disk to be dirty
[03:27] <Healot> each successful shutdown/restart the disk is mark clean
[03:27] <Healot> so, in a situation when you improperly shut down the PC, the disk is marked dirty, so Linux knows something went wrong
[03:28] <klerfayt> is it possible to use top command to only monitor one process?
[03:28] <klerfayt> Healot: does improper shut down damage harddisk physically?
[03:30] <en1gma> disc = dvd?
[03:30] <Healot> klerfayt: in most cases no, but i've seen worse
[03:30] <en1gma> not hard disc?
[03:31] <tripppy> Healot, any thing to get BT and BT headsets for phones working?
[03:31] <Healot> microsoft term disc=DVD/VCD/audio CD/CD-ROM, disk=the huge non-volatile, the harddisk
[03:31] <klerfayt> Healot: what about filesystem - will get damaged on hard shut down?
[03:32] <Healot> tripppy: bluetooth headphone? refer to your phone manual :-
[03:32] <Healot> klerfayt: that's where thing like chkdsk comes handy
[03:32] <Healot> it repairs your filesystem
[03:32] <en1gma> wow thats a nice feature then
[03:32] <en1gma> :)
[03:32] <en1gma> i like that
[03:33] <en1gma> i have 4
[03:33] <en1gma> sata 250 gigs in a raid0
[03:33] <en1gma> so i dont want anything messing with that
[03:34] <tripppy> Healot, i have a nokia bluetooth headset. i want it to work wit a USB BT dongle.
[03:35] <Healot> that thing is for phone connection... if you're thinking about GPRS modem or file transfer, sure I can help a bit
[03:35] <tripppy> no. i want the headset to be like a headset, skype VOIP,,, etc.
[03:36] <Healot> okay
[03:36] <Healot> get you...
[03:36] <en1gma> now i did a modprobe for rt61 a few reboots back cause (i dont think i see it in the 'lsmod') command. but now when i reboot it it loaded up. does it write that to dvd too?
[03:37] <en1gma> this is wierd
[03:37] <Healot> the dongle is plugged? tripppy?
[03:37] <en1gma> or did i just miss it in lsmod before
[03:37] <Healot> let's start scanning the BT device
[03:39] <en1gma> my dmesg is showing BT info does that mean my mb has BT (i just got this mb about a week ago and never knew it had it)
[03:39] <Healot> en1gma: only on volatile disks...
[03:41] <Healot> en1gma: a portable PC?
[03:43] <en1gma> no but its a nice MB
[03:44] <en1gma> asus an832-sli deluxe
[03:44] <en1gma> $220
[03:44] <en1gma> i see BT core is getting loaded up in dmesg
[03:45] <en1gma> [   76.360867]  rt61: module license 'unspecified' taints kernel.
[03:45] <en1gma> [  100.580753]  ra0 (WE) : Driver using old /proc/net/wireless support, please fix driver !
[03:45] <en1gma> i definately need the newer kernel
[03:47] <Healot> "uname -r" enigma
[03:48] <adam__> I still can't figure out how to install firefox (i'm new to linux) Kubuntu only came with Konqueror installed
[03:49] <adam__> any1 help? plz?
[03:49] <en1gma> "uname -r" enigma whats that
[03:50] <en1gma> 2.6.15-23-amd64-generic
[03:50] <BazziR> adam__: go to adept and install mozilla-firefox
[03:51] <en1gma> is there any possible way i can just dload a new kernel and tell kubuntu to load that new kernel upon boot
[03:51] <en1gma> i know its fixed in newer versions (not sure which one but i read in a fix log that it was fixed)
[03:51] <Healot> have you enabled all the repos, adam__? make sure you have enabled the universe, multiverse, next update th repos list
[03:52] <adam__> ok....I clicked Request Install now what?
[03:53] <gianluca> hello all
[03:53] <en1gma> hi
[03:54] <adam__> now what?
[03:54] <gianluca> i'm having crashes after crashes using kubuntu on IA32 and IA64...and i'm disappointed about using something different as desktop OS than this, suggestions?
[03:55] <Healot> adam__: click "Commit changes" button
[03:56] <adam__> ok. now it asked me to put linux CD in drive....got it. let's c if it works
[03:56] <en1gma> Healot 2.6.15-23-amd64-generic
[03:57] <en1gma> ,he test
[03:57] <Healot> uname -r
[03:57] <en1gma> whats the nick completor in Konversation
[03:57] <en1gma> 2.6.15-23-amd64-generic
[03:57] <Healot> not the latest kernel, en1gma
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Tab?
[03:58] <Healot> 15-25 is the latest iirc
[03:58] <en1gma> i know but im not sure how to go about updating cause im only using a live dvd
[03:58] <en1gma> is there a change log i can read for -24 and -25
[03:59] <en1gma> i will see if that module has been fixed but i not sure it was that soon
[03:59] <Healot> yeah
[03:59] <en1gma> i think it happened in 2.16.xx
[03:59] <en1gma> 2.6.16.xx
[03:59] <en1gma> the changelogs on www.kernel.org?
[03:59] <adam__> ya it worked. thanks for the help
[04:00] <Healot> for ubuntu at packages.ubuntu.com
[04:00] <rulz> is there kde-core present in the kubuntu cdrom supplied? plz anybody
[04:00] <DaSkreech> rulz: Huh?
[04:00] <Healot> rulz - kubuntu-desktop has kde in it...
[04:00] <Healot> the core KDE packages is in it
[04:01] <en1gma> i only see change logs for 2.6.15.7
[04:01] <rulz> but i dont see kde-core installed in adept
[04:01] <Healot> rulz: there isn't any, it is called kubuntu-desktop
[04:02] <rulz> and im not able to compile it says there isnt kde headers
[04:02] <Healot> you need the development library
[04:02] <Healot> !find libkde
[04:02] <ubotu> Found: libkdeedu-dev, libkdeedu3, libkdegames-dev, libkdegames1, libkdepim1-dev (and 4 others)
[04:02] <Healot> qt headers for you
[04:03] <Healot> !info libqt3-mt-dev
[04:03] <ubotu> libqt3-mt-dev: Qt development files (Threaded). In repository main, is optional. Version 3:3.3.6-1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 48 kB, installed size 160 kB
[04:05] <en1gma> shouldnt i be using  linux-image-2.6.15-25-amd64-k8 instead of linux-image-2.6.15-25-amd64-generic [amd64]  well im using 2.6.15-23-amd64-generic but you know what i mean
[04:05] <en1gma> amd64-k8 instead of generic
[04:06] <en1gma> i have an x2 proc maybe thats why im in generic
[04:06] <burepe> After installing PHP
[04:06] <burepe> You may need to increase the memory limit that PHP imposes on a script. Edit the /etc/php5/apache2/php2.ini file and increase the memory_limit value.
[04:06] <burepe> oops
[04:08] <en1gma> so many Qs so few As
[04:08] <burepe> I am reading a faq to set up a LAMP server and it says "After installing PHP You may need to increase the memory limit that PHP imposes on a script. Edit the /etc/php5/apache2/php2.ini file and increase the memory_limit value. " Do I need to do that? If so, how?
[04:08] <burepe> I am reading a faq to set up a LAMP server and it says "After installing PHP
[04:08] <burepe> 	burepe	You may need to increase the memory limit that PHP imposes on a script. Edit the /etc/php5/apache2/php2.ini file and increase the memory_limit value. " Do I need to do that? If so, how?
[04:08] <Healot> en1gma: sure, if you want to
[04:08] <burepe> really sorry about that
[04:08] <en1gma> man i think i dloaded the wrong dvd.iso maybe
[04:08] <burepe> The question is in there but it repeated
[04:08] <Healot> en1gma: it's on the net
[04:09] <en1gma> i didnt know there were 2 versions
[04:09] <en1gma> i just thought it was amd64
[04:09] <en1gma> i dont think i dlaoded a generic
[04:09] <en1gma> maybe i need to select a kernel
[04:09] <en1gma> upon boot
[04:09] <en1gma> of live dvd
[04:10] <Healot> !info linux-amd640k8
[04:10] <ubotu> Package linux-amd640k8 does not exist in dapper
[04:10] <Healot> !info linux-amd64-k8
[04:10] <ubotu> Package linux-amd64-k8 does not exist in dapper
[04:10] <en1gma> O
[04:10] <Healot> !find linux-amd64
[04:10] <ubotu> No packages matching 'linux-amd64' could be found
[04:10] <Healot> !find linux
[04:10] <ubotu> Found: doc-linux-html, doc-linux-text, klogd, libaltlinuxhyph-dev, libselinux1 (and 145 others)
[04:10] <Healot> !find linux-amd64
[04:10] <ubotu> No packages matching 'linux-amd64' could be found
[04:10] <Healot> !find linux-kernel
[04:10] <ubotu> Found: klogd, linux-kernel-headers, inetutils-syslogd, metalog, socklog-run (and 2 others)
[04:10] <en1gma> k so generic is prob just fine
[04:11] <Healot> k8 is more optimized for ACPI, the CPU timing etc
[04:11] <en1gma> i thought all amd64 are K8
[04:12] <en1gma> i get what you are saying....its still more optimized
[04:12] <Healot> amd64-generic kernels are for AMD64 (athlon xp 64) and Pentium with EMT64
[04:12] <Healot> P4 with EMT64
[04:12] <en1gma> oh shiat so i do have the wrong one
[04:12] <en1gma> fawk
[04:12] <Healot> k8 is AMD64 (opetron/athlon)
[04:13] <Healot> en1gma: correct kernel
[04:13] <Healot> k8 is MORE optimized though for AMD64 (opetron/athlon)
[04:13] <en1gma> i need to reget the whole dvd again.....im not gonna be able to do that. cause im gonna be at hotels for next few days and they have crappy dlaod speeds
[04:13] <en1gma> i got lucky last night at this hotel and was getting 200KBs
[04:13] <en1gma> x2 is k8 right
[04:14] <Healot> x2 yes
[04:14] <Healot> SMP K8
[04:14] <en1gma> i think i gonna have to do it a diff way
[04:14] <en1gma> cant i just dload the newer -25 kernel and rename it to whats the kernel is now and remake an iso then burn it
[04:15] <Healot> !info linux-amd64-k8
[04:15] <ubotu> Package linux-amd64-k8 does not exist in dapper
[04:15] <rulz> i ve installed kubuntu from cdrom and there isnt any kde-core or such libs installed what a mess?
[04:15] <en1gma> oh so thats ok then what about dlaoding the newer -25 generic and doing what i said above
[04:15] <Healot> there is no developmen library in the CDrom, en1gma
[04:16] <Healot> you need to download from the Internet repos...
[04:16] <en1gma> and is there an kubunto option to re-burn a dvd with that newer -25 generic kernel
[04:17] <en1gma> i got to figure a way to just dload the kernel (i dont think ill be able to dload the whole new -25 generic dvd again
[04:17] <rulz> its really pathetic to see that and the cdrom have space for windows programs!!!!!!
[04:18] <en1gma> like right now is there a kubunto option to dload and use that newer kernel
[04:18] <trappist> how to get a change to /etc/hostname to take effect?
[04:18] <en1gma> or do i have to get the whole new -25 generic iso
[04:18] <en1gma> i know debian makes it ez to upgrade a kernel (from what ive read)
[04:18] <en1gma> i used to use slackware alot
[04:19] <WiPin> hi all :)
[04:19] <en1gma> so i know my way around "make", "make modules" and "make install" then move the bzimage to /boot
[04:20] <trappist> en1gma: make modules is deprecated, and make install handles the bzimage for you
[04:20] <en1gma> and howto do a kernel .confgure
[04:20] <trappist> 'make' and 'make install' is all you need, but I prefer 'make-kpkg' to build a deb
[04:20] <en1gma> well im just saying (using this live dvd) is there a way to use the newer -25 amd64 generic and then burn it to dvd so it uses that one all the time upon boot
[04:21] <n3m3s1s4u> heya
[04:21] <n3m3s1s4u> anyone here clued up on tightvncserver?
[04:21] <en1gma> or maybe even booting into windows and dloading the newer -25 kernel and adding it to the kubunto live dvd and being able to select it upon boot
[04:21] <xbehave2> where do programs go when i install them?
[04:22] <larson9999> xbehave2: that depends.  you can do 'where program_name' to see where the executable is.
[04:22] <en1gma> i do not want to have to dload a whole other 3.5gigs just to use a newer kernel on this live dvd
[04:22] <larson9999> that works most of the time.
[04:22] <en1gma> usually programs goto /bin /usr/bin
[04:23] <en1gma> in slackware
[04:23] <Healot> and ubuntu
[04:23] <en1gma> i was hoping so cause its linux based but i wasnt sure if i stepped in poop or not
[04:24] <xbehave2> it was in user/bin thanks
[04:24] <en1gma> im not a complete noob but i am to kubunto....slackware is wrather old school and dont have as many features (as far updating and installing new kernels) as alot of these newer distros
[04:25] <en1gma> we just goto -current and dload what we want then do "installpkg packagename"
[04:25] <en1gma> :)
[04:26] <en1gma> and for kernels its all manual
[04:27] <en1gma> im hoping kubuntu has an ez way for me to dload the new kernel (while using the live dvd) and being able to do it all there and burn new dvd or multisession this one
[04:27] <en1gma> i might be asking for to much
[04:27] <en1gma> but i dont want to dload 3.5 gigs for a new kernel (first because thats alot and 2nd i dont think i will be able to at these hotels)
[04:27] <DaSkreech> en1gma: You'd have to remaster it I'd guess. Why do you need the new Kernel?
[04:28] <en1gma> cause my wifi is broken with this version
[04:28] <gplfighter> hi
[04:29] <gplfighter> can i change the logon screen theme?
[04:29] <en1gma> see this hotels wifi was down so they gave me a lan cord to plug into there wall (i cant believe its hardwired) and most hotels just have wifi connection about 20-30KBs
[04:29] <larson9999> slackware is still on 2.4, right?  can you use 2.6 with it and 2.4 is just the default?
[04:29] <en1gma> slackware -current uses newer
[04:29] <DaSkreech> gplfighter: Yes
[04:29] <en1gma> its been about 6mos since i used slackware
[04:29] <gplfighter> and how?
[04:29] <en1gma> -testing i think is where the kernels are
[04:29] <larson9999> what i hear is that the updating pace of slackware makes debian look like a speeding bullet
[04:29] <en1gma> slackware is fun to manually update the kernel
[04:29] <en1gma> :)
[04:30] <en1gma> makes me feel like a code monkey
[04:30] <en1gma> seeing it compile from my commands
[04:30] <larson9999> i've never hear anything nice about slackware so i never tried it
[04:31] <en1gma> slackware is more lower level to linux i think
[04:31] <en1gma> which can be neat
[04:31] <en1gma> if you like the cli
[04:31] <damian_> slackware is good if you like being frustrated every 4 seconds
[04:31] <en1gma> lol
[04:31] <en1gma> it lets you learn linux very well
[04:31] <en1gma> :)
[04:31] <damian_> have you used it?
[04:32] <en1gma> being in config files
[04:32] <damian_> i heard it's a pain
[04:32] <en1gma> ive only used slackware off and on for last 4years
[04:32] <en1gma> yea but when you learn it you know almost any linux distro
[04:32] <damian_> what's keeping you from using it continuously
[04:32] <en1gma> these live cds are a bit different
[04:32] <en1gma> im a gamer
[04:32] <damian_> oh i see
[04:32] <en1gma> so i always have to back to windows
[04:32] <damian_> a sad world we live in
[04:32] <en1gma> thats what makes these live cds great
[04:33] <en1gma> i dont have to touch my hd (windows for gaming) and i can pop in a live dvd when i want to surf etc..
[04:33] <damian_> the slackware live cds?
[04:33] <damian_> or ubuntu ones?
[04:33] <en1gma> but my wifi is broken in this kernel
[04:33] <en1gma> i dont think slax are that great
[04:33] <en1gma> and not 64bit
[04:34] <en1gma> slamd64 isnt kept up to date verywell....just one guy doing all the 64bit compiling
[04:34] <en1gma> www.slamd53.com
[04:34] <en1gma> www.slamd64.com *
[04:34] <en1gma> first thing on site is donations
[04:35] <damian_> lol
[04:35] <en1gma> :)
[04:35] <en1gma> i hear good about kubuntu
[04:35] <burepe> I am installing a LAMP server using a faq from ubotu. I need another faq to tell me how to use it. Like ports, and firewalls and whatever. Any suggestions?
[04:35] <en1gma> i was using dsl and dsl-n but they dont do 64bit either
[04:35] <Tm_T> !firewall
[04:35] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line), firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing) or shorewall (web interface)
[04:35] <en1gma> dsl is a great little distro
[04:35] <damian_> Tm_T what does the exclamation mark in fron of those words mean
[04:36] <larson9999> en1gma: linux has plenty of games for me.  i'm afraid until more think like me, linux will continue not to get the latest and greatest.
[04:36] <en1gma> ive gamed on linux but its usually a biatch to get it up and running right
[04:36] <en1gma> even enemy territory
[04:36] <Tm_T> damian_: controlmark, so that bot knows I'm talking to him
[04:36] <en1gma> with its sound problems
[04:36] <damian_> ok
[04:36] <DaSkreech> burepe: What are you looking for?
[04:36] <Tm_T> en1gma: nah, no sound problems here
[04:37] <en1gma> and using wine and cedega is just a pain
[04:37] <en1gma> i always had to add a /snd command for alsa
[04:37] <en1gma> or somethign
[04:37] <Tm_T> heh
[04:37] <en1gma> :)
[04:37] <larson9999> en1gma: did that work?
[04:37] <burepe> Das
[04:37] <en1gma> it did work
[04:37] <burepe> oops
[04:37] <larson9999> en1gma: adding /snd for sound meets your definition of a pain?
[04:38] <klerfayt> besides Windows you need good hardware for gaming
[04:38] <en1gma> well not really...i said wine and cedega were the pains
[04:38] <en1gma> :P
[04:38] <en1gma> and low performance
[04:38] <burepe> DaSkreech: I want to install drupal. Is there anything I have to do before that?
[04:38] <en1gma> i never get the high frame rates like i do in windows
[04:38] <en1gma> and alot of games are directx now
[04:39] <en1gma> maybe ps3 will bring opengl games back cause it will be using linux i read
[04:39] <larson9999> en1gma: i just decided not to use anything that doesn't run in linux and to write companies i think should make things that do.
[04:39] <DaSkreech> burepe: Find Drupal in adept. Click request Install
[04:39] <en1gma> its gonna take someone like sony to bring a good api to linux
[04:39] <burepe> request install?
[04:40] <en1gma> to make linux replace windows for eveerything
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Yup then Apply
[04:40] <burepe> i bet it will be google
[04:40] <en1gma> i remember when openGL ruled the world
[04:40] <en1gma> dirextx was a POS
[04:40] <en1gma> when did that all change
[04:40] <DaSkreech> burepe: You have Adept?
[04:40] <damian_> opengl still rules the pro worls
[04:41] <burepe> yeah
[04:41] <damian_> directx is used for making games
[04:41] <damian_> people who work with cgi use opengl
[04:41] <DaSkreech> burepe: Open?
[04:41] <burepe> I don't follow what "request" is
[04:41] <damian_> it's a lot more powerful than directx
[04:41] <larson9999> en1gma: when did opengl die?  i must have missed that one
[04:41] <burepe> What do you mean "open"?
[04:41] <en1gma> ok guys i gonna get on the road if someone can come up with an idea about me not having to dlaod a new dvd iso and i can replace my kernel with the newer -25 64bit kernel i would appreciate it
[04:41] <en1gma> i would even like to use the newer 2.6.17 kernel
[04:41] <en1gma> let me know tonight
[04:42] <en1gma> look at the games that are out
[04:42] <en1gma> 90% are directx
[04:42] <en1gma> with idsoftware where would games on linux be
[04:42] <en1gma> god i love carmack
[04:42] <en1gma> without*
[04:43] <en1gma> got to go
[04:43] <en1gma> cyas later and dont forget the guy who dont want to dload a dvdiso just to change my kernel on this live dvd
[04:43] <en1gma> bblater tonight
[04:43] <en1gma> cyas
[04:44] <supernix> Uptime: 6 days, 12 hours and 24 minutes
[04:44] <maxi_> hey
[04:44] <maxi_> what packages do I need for NTFS support?
[04:44] <supernix> Does anyone happen to use one of those air cards to access the net ?
[04:44] <maxi_> to write on NTFS drives?
[04:45] <Philip5> maxi_: that's not recommendable
[04:45] <maxi_> why not?
[04:45] <Philip5> it's not considered totally safe
[04:46] <maxi_> what is meant by totally?
[04:46] <burepe> DaSkreech	 what do you mean "open"?
[04:46] <maxi_> I just need it on my Personal PC
[04:46] <Philip5> that's why it's set to be read only
[04:46] <maxi_> hmm ok
[04:46] <maxi_> thx
[04:47] <Philip5> maxi_: yes but if you are unlucky and write to a ntfs partition you could make all the partition unreadable
[04:47] <h3sp4wn> supernix: air cards ? I use an atheros wireless card
[04:48] <DaSkreech> burepe: Is Adept Open? So that you are looking at it?
[04:48] <burepe> oh yeah
[04:49] <supernix> h3sp4wn: all I know is they call it an air card you use it for wireless internet connection\
[04:50] <supernix> From what I was told you connect it to your USB connection
[04:50] <DaSkreech> burepe: You know how to use Adept?
[04:50] <burepe> yaeh
[04:50] <martinjh99> Are there packages for 3.5.4 yet??  If so where..? ;)
[04:50] <DaSkreech> Ok install Drupal
[04:50] <burepe> I just didn't understand some of your word useage
[04:50] <burepe> sorry
[04:50] <burepe> my bad
[04:51] <burepe> I think I have to set the mysql password first
[04:51] <h3sp4wn> supernix: You are better off with a pci or cardbus card (you will have less problems)
[04:51] <burepe> I did the comand the faq I am using told me to but it seems to have not worked
[04:51] <supernix> hmmm I will have to check into that then
[04:51] <supernix> I figured it would be to good to be true
[04:52] <DaSkreech> burepe: Which faq? That might help
[04:52] <h3sp4wn> supernix: http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility
[04:52] <burepe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[04:53] <simon__> hi; it appears I have some issues with font hinting in kde; it's not enabled in system settings, is it possible it's set up via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or so?
[04:53] <supernix> they said it could get speeds up to 384kbs I wonder if that is a good enough connection for connection sharing
[04:53] <larson9999> ntfs read-write is supposed to be good now.  here is a link.  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=23836054&forum_id=2697
[04:55] <larson9999> still beta but i have a friend who says he hasn't had any issues.
[04:55] <simon__> and also, how can I get more (monospaced) fonts in konsole? I see more in konversation than I do in konsole
[04:55] <DaSkreech> burepe: You could just apt-get install drupal
[04:56] <burepe> yeah
[04:56] <MilhousePunkRock> I am having trouble with my USB thumb drive
[04:56] <burepe> Hey this command where it says 'yourpassword' do I leave the brackets? SET PASSWORD FOR 'root'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('yourpassword');
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Yup
[04:57] <MilhousePunkRock> I think it did not get mounted properly and the folder I copied onto it is only garbage
[04:57] <MilhousePunkRock> And I can't delete it anymore
[04:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy room !
[04:57] <MilhousePunkRock> Howdy BluesKaj
[04:57] <BluesKaj> hi MilhousePunkRock
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> supernix: With qos on openwrt that connection would be fine for connection sharing (get a linksys wrt54gl router is the easiest way)
[04:58] <nick_> hello i have a problem with setting up a networkprinter with a (windows) computer
[04:58] <BluesKaj> finally cooled off here in Northern Ontario
[04:58] <voicu> Hi, did anyone manage to setup amarok to use MySQL? I can't make it work
[04:58] <nick_> can someone help me ?
[04:58] <supernix> kewl then I can share the connection with my girl and kill any thoughts of 56k for good
[04:58] <DaSkreech> burepe: anything in the little boxes should be typed exactly as seen but with the obvious stuff replaced
[04:59] <voicu> Each time it builds the collection nothing appears. So I restarted and builds the collection again with no result
[04:59] <burepe> not exactly
[04:59] <voicu> anyone?
[05:00] <burepe> when you access mysql it says "mysql>" but the commands also have "mysql>" in them so it is redundant and causing errors
[05:00] <DaSkreech> voicu: Umm Not sure have you asked in #amarok?
[05:00] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir and abattoir_: Hey!
[05:00] <supernix> ty for all your advise and help h3sp4wn
[05:00] <voicu> burepe: I think the guys amarok knew about stuff like that
[05:00] <DaSkreech> burepe: You don't include the prompt :)
[05:00] <nick_> each time a want to do a "testprint"  the system says that it works but it doesn't begin!!
[05:01] <voicu> ok... trying #amarok
[05:01] <burepe> do I repalce the root and localhost info too?
[05:01] <voicu> tnx
[05:01] <burepe> voicu it is a differnt thing we are talking about
[05:01] <voicu> what?
[05:01] <burepe> we are not talking about amarok
[05:02] <voicu> lol, ok :)
[05:02] <nick_> can someone help me?
[05:02] <illness> hi all
[05:02] <burepe> nick_ ask your question
[05:02] <DaSkreech> burepe: He did
[05:03] <DaSkreech> nick_: What Printer?
[05:03] <illness> i installed kdetv... and everything works fine, but i get no sound... any ideas?
[05:03] <nick_> canon s400
[05:03] <nick_> it's installed on a computer with windows XP home edition
[05:03] <burepe> illness plug the headphones in to the tvtuner card audio port
[05:03] <burepe> it is seperate
[05:04] <BluesKaj> nick_, I have the same prob , but i havent been able to solve it either
[05:04] <burepe> you gotta change it when you watch tv or get a splitter to go back into the speakers
[05:05] <illness> there is no headphone jack
[05:05] <nick_> it's strange isn't it!! the say it works but it doesn't start printing
[05:05] <burepe> DaSkreech Do I have to replace 'root' and 'localhost' too?
[05:05] <BluesKaj> my printer sets up to print the test page, but then it freezes and does nothing
[05:05] <illness> on the tv card
[05:05] <larson9999> i'm lucky enough to have a print sever.  worth the $10 or so if you can find one used
[05:05] <DaSkreech> burepe: No That's the prompt :) You ignore those :)
[05:06] <nick_> but i am in network with that pc i just can't print
[05:06] <DaSkreech> !print
[05:06] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:06] <burepe> DaSkreech What about this? I replace 'yourusername' and 'yourpassword' but not 'localhost'? mysql> GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'yourusername'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'yourpassword' WITH GRANT OPTION;
[05:06] <DaSkreech> nick_: Have you read those?
[05:06] <BluesKaj> I 've been asked all the ocvious questions like , "do you have print sharing turned on in the XP pc etc"
[05:06] <nick_> no
[05:07] <DaSkreech> Ahh Ok there :)
[05:07] <DaSkreech> nick_: Try those they might help
[05:07] <larson9999> you have to mess with the groups for cups to work
[05:07] <DaSkreech> burepe: Sorry Misunderstanding. Yes names and passwords you replace with what you need. They can be the same but you should know if they aren't
[05:08] <edison> morning averyone
[05:08] <nick_> i'm using kubuntu  from yesterday
[05:08] <BluesKaj> yes nick_, same here I'm on a windows network too , the printer is USB conned to the other pc (windows)
[05:08] <DaSkreech>  burepeIf you don't know then use them as shown
[05:08] <DaSkreech> edison: Moring
[05:08] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Did you read !print? :)
[05:08] <burepe> DaSkreech So just not 'localhost'?
[05:08] <edison> i have a problem with my nvidia card, i cant change my resolution from 800*600 to 1024*768
[05:08] <burepe> pl
[05:08] <burepe> ok
[05:09] <edison> cause only shows 800*600 option
[05:09] <BluesKaj> yes DaSkreech, many times
[05:09] <DaSkreech> burepe: Localhost means this computer. If you are using this computer as the server then localhost is fine
[05:09] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Ok Just checking. Canon?
[05:09] <DaSkreech> !resolution
[05:09] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:09] <DaSkreech> !resolution > edison
[05:09] <burepe> ok
[05:09] <BluesKaj> HP
[05:09] <burepe> Thanks
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Sure
[05:10] <h3sp4wn> Why was the modeline part of it removed from that fixvideoresolutionhowto (It was well written and easy to understand) now its not there :/
[05:11] <nick_> do somebody know how i get MSN messenger on my kubuntu pc
[05:11] <Ignite_> nick_, kopete
[05:11] <Ignite_> K Menu -> ~Internet -> Kopete
[05:11] <nick_> but that sucks and amsn to
[05:11] <Ignite_> kopete is awesome
[05:11] <Ignite_> imho
[05:12] <Ignite_> you could install GAIM
[05:12] <burepe> DaSkreech I cant get this command to work even thought I replaces 'yourusername' and 'yourpassword'. mysql> GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'yourusername'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'yourpassword' WITH GRANT OPTION;
[05:12] <burepe>  Is 'yourusername' my username for this linux install?
[05:12] <DaSkreech> nick_: What are you looking for?
[05:13] <DaSkreech> burepe: No it's your mysql usernam I would assume
[05:13] <burepe> i don't have one yet I am making one
[05:13] <burepe> I want it to be the same as the name on the comp but I am getting errors
[05:13] <DaSkreech> what errors?
[05:14] <gianluca> bye all
[05:14] <burepe> Is it blocking because it is the same as the admin name?
[05:14] <burepe> Found it
[05:14] <nick_> if there is a way to get the MSN messenger on mu kubuntu pc
[05:14] <soulrider_> guys, my adept kinda crashed and i still ahve a running process so i cant open it again, how can i terminate that process?
[05:14] <burepe> that damn reapeating 'mysql>"
[05:14] <soulrider_> nick_: why not use kopete or GAIM?
[05:14] <MilhousePunkRock> nick_: If you don't like either Kopete and Gaim, there is not much left
[05:15] <nick_> because i don't like it
[05:15] <soulrider_> too bad
[05:15] <soulrider_> seriously, the msn client sucks :p
[05:15] <DaSkreech> soulrider_: killall adept*
[05:16] <soulrider_> thanks
[05:16] <burepe> in the control panel there is a systems monitor. I forget the path and the name but if that helps...
[05:16] <burepe> ] 
[05:16] <DaSkreech> soulrider_: Though you could try sudo dpkg --configure -a first
[05:16] <burepe> or that
[05:16] <nick_> yes it sucks and it doesn't work well but it has a lot of functions an has a good design
[05:16] <DaSkreech> nick_: try Wine but I doubt it will work
[05:16] <soulrider_>  kopete has all of them too
[05:16] <soulrider_> except for the handwrite thing i think
[05:16] <MilhousePunkRock> nick_: I think you can run the original MSN under Wine.. As you probably don't like Konqueror either, try running MSIE there as well
[05:17] <DaSkreech>  Microsoft stuff normally bypasses the API to go deep into the Windows core so they are nearly impossible to replicate
[05:17] <soulrider_> lol MilhousePunkRock
[05:17] <nick_> with wini does it have to work but you have to install en change many things
[05:18] <MilhousePunkRock> DaSkreech: I passed the Windows Genuine Verification yesterday using Wine, so M$ isnt half as smart as it pretends to be...
[05:18] <soulrider_> lol
[05:18] <DaSkreech> MilhousePunkRock: You mean that WINE is very dedicated :)
[05:18] <soulrider_> nick_: if you cant bare not having the original msn client i seriously cant udnerstand why youre using kubuntu
[05:18] <larson9999> MilhousePunkRock: to my knowledge IE doesn't work with recent release of wine.  i've had to use ie4linux for a while now.  ff does though and has better performance for most things
[05:18] <MilhousePunkRock> nick_: I am sorry to that, but maybe you better install Windows and get happy with that...
[05:19] <DaSkreech> soulrider_: That's not fair. He can like the application
[05:19] <abattoir_> MilhousePunkRock: hi :)
[05:19] <larson9999> but yeah, why would you want msn?  i don't even use that in windows
[05:19] <soulrider_> i didnt say he didnt have to like it
[05:19] <MilhousePunkRock> larson9999: That wasn't really serious anyway...
[05:19] <soulrider_> but he shoudl be able to live with it
[05:19] <DaSkreech> nick_: Try Wine :-) It can't kill you
[05:19] <soulrider_> mostly ebcause its nott hat good :P
[05:19] <edison> hi still have the resolution problem
[05:19] <DaSkreech> I don't think it's that good either but then I love ICQ and most people think I'm crazy
[05:19] <edison> i cant set it to 1024*768
[05:20] <nick_> i had always problems with the windows activation so i changed to kubuntu
[05:20] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey abattoir! Nice you woke up... :-P
[05:20] <DaSkreech> edison: Did you try the dpkg-reconfigure ?
[05:20] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: nah, wasnt sleeping, was away :)
[05:20] <soulrider_> i gto some KDE update shere, should i upgrade?
[05:20] <MilhousePunkRock> nick_: That's because you need to BUY windows...
[05:20] <edison> yes, but didnt change anything
[05:20] <edison> it still look the same 800*600
[05:21] <soulrider_> i never bought windows and never had a problem :P
[05:21] <MilhousePunkRock> nick_: You could try Miranda, maybe you like that better than Kopete and Gaim...
[05:21] <soulrider_> i doubt it
[05:21] <soulrider_> miranda is less user friendly
[05:21] <soulrider_> or at least it was
[05:22] <edison> i fallow the steps show in the page u gave me but still look 800*600
[05:22] <soulrider_> i used it for several months while in win
[05:22] <MilhousePunkRock> What about amsn?
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> centericq is pretty good
[05:23] <MilhousePunkRock> Having seen both Trillian and Miranda on Win, I have to say, Gaim is decent and Kopete is awesome...
[05:23] <edison> someone can help to change my screen resolution please
[05:23] <edison> it only shows me 800*600
[05:24] <edison> i have a nvida fx5200
[05:24] <nick_> i'm just using gaim for the first time an if i log in it fals out after a few sec
[05:25] <MilhousePunkRock> nick_: Than there is something wrong on your end
[05:25] <edison> someone can help to change my screen resolution please
[05:25] <Firetech> how long is 3.5.4 expected to be broken? I accidentally upgraded before reading the announcement...
[05:25] <larson9999> edison: you probably don't have your card installed properly
[05:26] <larson9999> !nvidia
[05:26] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:26] <edison> i just intall the driver for it
[05:26] <damian_> is there a guide explaining how to get my wireless card to work
[05:26] <edison> and still giving me problems
[05:26] <larson9999> edison: or at least that was the case for my 5500.
[05:26] <mauri> hi
[05:27] <mauri> somebody knows ho to configure conky?
[05:27] <soulrider_> conky ?
[05:27] <mauri> yep
[05:27] <soulrider_> !conky
[05:27] <ubotu> I know nothing about conky - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[05:27] <mauri> ok thanks
[05:27] <mauri> :D
[05:27] <edison> mmmmmm
[05:28] <edison> well let me check the page and back in a sec, thanks
[05:28] <yamal> mauri: check the examples at conky.sf.net
[05:28] <nick_> witch virusscan can i use for kubuntu
[05:28] <soulrider_> no need to
[05:28] <mauri> yamal, i took a look
[05:28] <mauri> but i cant find conkyrc
[05:28] <mauri> : \
[05:29] <MilhousePunkRock> nick_: There are AV programs for Linux, but hardly any viruses...
[05:29] <damian_> is there a guide for getting wireless to work
[05:30] <jasj> someone know how upload a program to the community
[05:30] <MilhousePunkRock> !wifi
[05:30] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:31] <yamal> mauri: it's just a text file you put in  your home dir as .conkyrc
[05:31] <MilhousePunkRock> damian_: ^^
[05:31] <doowtniop> I seem to have lost sound after updating to dapper and I'm not really sure how to debug it?
[05:31] <mauri> eheh, right then
[05:31] <mauri> thanks a lot
[05:33] <sebsebseb> I have a Ubuntu and Kubuntu installed with their partions.  and XP and a lap top recovery partion.  this is just one 80GB hard disk.
[05:33] <sebsebseb> however Ubuntu/Kbuntu has ended up up with 15GB and I carn't reize that ext3 partion with QTParted or Gparted.  I read about two other progrmas for resizing them,  but I am not sure. so haven't even tryed downloading or installing
[05:33] <sebsebseb> or it was just one program
[05:34] <MilhousePunkRock> sebsebseb: resize2fs might be what you are looking for, if you are not afraid of the CLI
[05:34] <pointwood> brb,
[05:35] <burepe> I am confused by this faq. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP It says near the beginning "If you did not use the LAMP installer option from the server cd but want to install those same packages without having to reinstall your operating system, use  any method to install the following packages
[05:35] <burepe> apache2 php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server
[05:35] <burepe> All of those packages are in the Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) main repository. Once LAMP is installed, you need to set a mysql root password and then, depending on your web application, create a database, user and password. That's it! " so I did that and then I went down to the bottom and set the mysql password. Do I need to do the "Phpmyadmin or mysql-admin" section?
[05:38] <sebsebseb> !resize2fs
[05:38] <ubotu> I know nothing about resize2fs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[05:40] <soulrider> i got a question, well, 2
[05:40] <soulrider> i heard that FAT partitions have a filesize limit, is that true?
[05:40] <soulrider> and, can i write with no problems to FAT partitions?
[05:42] <yamal> soulrider: every filesystem has its limits, so yes; and yes you can for #2
[05:42] <soulrider> and whats the limit?
[05:42] <h3sp4wn> 2gb afaik
[05:43] <h3sp4wn> (at least it was)
[05:43] <soulrider> ouch
[05:43] <yamal> also depends what version of fat... but it isn't too high anyway
[05:43] <soulrider> adn what filesystem can i use that is compatible with both win and linux
[05:43] <burepe> How can I find out what my "user"s "group" is?
[05:44] <osh_> soulrider: fat32
[05:44] <soulrider> and theres a sizelimit too ?
[05:44] <mauri> yamal: i created .conkyrc
[05:44] <MilhousePunkRock> !resize2fs
[05:44] <ubotu> I know nothing about resize2fs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[05:44] <MilhousePunkRock> !info resize2fs
[05:44] <mauri> i tried to edit it but it doesnt affect anything
[05:44] <ubotu> Package resize2fs does not exist in dapper
[05:45] <MilhousePunkRock> !resize
[05:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about resize - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[05:45] <sebsebseb> !ext3
[05:45] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[05:45] <yamal> mauri: but conky does work ?
[05:45] <TheGateKeeper> soulrider: there are howto's on the ubuntu forums about read/writting to a NTFS partition, things have recently improved here
[05:45] <osh_> soulrider: btw, i think xfs has both linux and windows hooks. that should be enough for you. 9tb filesize max and 18tb volumesize max. or something similar.
[05:45] <zipper_> I've got ubuntu 6.06 installed, but i wanted to try out kde so i installed the 'kubuntu-desktop' package. All went well, KDE starts and everything, but for some reason my keyboard language/layout isnt the same as in gnome, even if i use 'language selection' to select my main language, danish. Anyone know what could be wrong?
[05:45] <mauri> sure, it starts
[05:46] <h3sp4wn> xfs is the filesystem with the most reported issues (even more than reiserfs4)
[05:46] <yamal> mauri: you know that only the stuff after the line thatsays "TEXT" determines what is shown?
[05:46] <soulrider> TheGateKeeper: i got ntfs suppor on linux but it said writing was experimental, and it that didnt sound too nice
[05:47] <mauri> sure
[05:47] <mauri> the rest is the appearence
[05:47] <yamal> 'killall -USR1 conky' reloads the config
[05:48] <TheGateKeeper> soulrider: know what you are saying but Xandos is one distro that claims to read / write to ntfs 'out of the box'
[05:48] <larson9999> soulrider: have you tried this?  i'm curious how it works.  i do know the folks at gparted say the driver they use is rock solid.  i don't konw if that's true but i've resized many ntfs partitions with it and haven't had a problemntfs read-write is supposed to be good now.  here is a link.  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=23836054&forum_id=2697
[05:49] <soulrider> k, ill try to find out more, thanks!
[05:49] <mauri> yamal: wow
[05:50] <dhq> how to uninstall apache2 and apache
[05:50] <mauri> thanks
[05:50] <dhq> i waana give a fresh start
[05:50] <yamal> I should demand payment ;)
[05:50] <osh_> dhq: sudo aptitude purge apache apache-common apace2 apache2-common
[05:50] <mauri> i am supposed to restart the application to experiment the changement in conkyrc?
[05:50] <osh_> dhq: more or less.
[05:50] <yamal> mauri: yes. it only loads the config when it's started or told to
[05:51] <mauri> allright
[05:51] <mauri> thanks
[05:51] <mauri> :D
[05:51] <yamal> yw
[05:51] <MilhousePunkRock> sebsebseb: That's how to use it: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/resize2fs.8.html
[05:52] <dhq> osh_: it will kill the apache2 sercer too rite
[05:52] <dhq> server
[05:52] <agresor> i`m trying to install MPlayer
[05:52] <agresor> i got this err messege
[05:52] <agresor> Gui/libgui.a(interface.o): In function `guiInit':interface.c:(.text+0xca2): undefined reference to `vo_setwindow'
[05:52] <agresor> ??? anyone ?
[05:53] <dhq> osh_: the server is still running
[05:53] <MilhousePunkRock> sebsebseb: If I remember correctly it's a command, not a program... type "sudo resize2fs" in the shell
[05:54] <osh_> dhq: Is it still running after you've done a "purge"?
[05:54] <dhq> yeah
[05:54] <MilhousePunkRock> sebsebseb: It will tell you the version number and the suffixes
[05:54] <sebsebseb> it's an ext3 what I got though and not ext2
[05:54] <osh_> dhq: aptitude purge/remove should kill it. You don't have any files left on your system if done right. Do a dpkg -l | grep apache
[05:55] <MilhousePunkRock> sebsebseb: That doesn't matter
[05:55] <osh_> dhq: Does that show anything?
[05:55] <dhq> yes alot
[05:55] <osh_> dhq: about apache?
[05:55] <sebsebseb> right seems I  have it
[05:56] <sebsebseb> so it's a command line program?
[05:56] <dhq> osh_: yes apache files
[05:56] <DaSkreech> agresor: How are you installing it?
[05:56] <osh_> dhq: which ones?
[05:56] <MilhousePunkRock> sebsebseb: Yes
[05:56] <soulrider> to tell yout he truth i dont really want to use anything like that unless i know it works perfectly
[05:56] <soulrider> dont wanna risk loosing any of my data
[05:57] <DaSkreech> soulrider: Bah It's just data :)
[05:57] <soulrider> lol
[05:57] <osh_> soulrider: and you've got a backup anyway, right?
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Plus running around outside doing some primal screaming after the last 12 years of your life has been lost is good for you
[05:58] <DaSkreech> agresor: Ping
[05:58] <bytefoo> hi i guys, i installed kubuntu and am trying to use my usb headphones, but i don't know how to switch to them or they aren't being detected. any ideas? they work fantastic under gnome
[05:58] <agresor> DaSkreech, no
[05:58] <agresor> :(
[05:58] <dhq> osh_:
[05:59] <agresor> mplayer not working at me
[05:59] <dhq> osh_:
[05:59] <dhq> rc  apache-ssl                             1.3.34-2                                versatile, high-performance HTTP server with
[05:59] <dhq> ii  apache2                                2.0.55-4ubuntu2                         next generation, scalable, extendable web se
[05:59] <DaSkreech> agresor: How are you installing it?
[05:59] <agresor> i`m installing it with source code
[05:59] <dhq> ii  apache2-common                         2.0.55-4ubuntu2                         next generation, scalable, extendable web se
[05:59] <dhq> rc  apache2-doc                            2.0.55-4ubuntu2.1                       documentation for apache2
[05:59] <dhq> ii  apache2-mpm-worker                     2.0.55-4ubuntu2                         high speed threaded model for Apache2
[05:59] <dhq> ii  apache2-utils                          2.0.55-4ubuntu2                         utility programs for webservers
[05:59] <DaSkreech> agresor: Why?
[05:59] <osh_> !tell dhq about pastebin
[05:59] <agresor> Is there other way ?
[05:59] <DaSkreech> !info mplayer
[05:59] <MilhousePunkRock> dhq: You should know better...
[05:59] <ubotu> mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In repository multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 3265 kB, installed size 7916 kB
[05:59] <DaSkreech> agresor: Do you have adept?
[05:59] <agresor> apt ?
[05:59] <dhq> osh_: wat is pastepin
[06:00] <dhq> pastebin
[06:00] <DaSkreech> agresor: Or that :-) You know how to edit your sources?
[06:00] <MilhousePunkRock> !paste
[06:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:00] <agresor> DaSkreech,  what souce to put in sources.bin ?
[06:00] <DaSkreech> !multiverse > agresor
[06:00] <DaSkreech> Read that
[06:00] <agresor> okey
[06:00] <agresor> :)
[06:00] <agresor> w8
[06:00] <MilhousePunkRock> !easysource > agresor
[06:00] <epsilom> news:: kde 3.5.4 is out www.kde.org
[06:00] <osh_> dhq: you havent removed apache. did you run the sudo adept purge-lnie I sent you?
[06:01] <MilhousePunkRock> epsilom: Read the channel topic, it's broken in dapper
[06:01] <dhq> yes
[06:01] <bytefoo> so...any ideas why my usb headphones aren't detected in kde? or how to switch to them? :|
[06:02] <osh_> dhq: what did it say? you obviously have apache2 on your system still.
[06:02] <bytefoo> well of course they work oob in windows :/
[06:03] <agresor> MilhousePunkRock,  what suppose to put in "key"       gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv KEY
[06:03] <agresor> ???
[06:03] <bytefoo> i mean theres got to be some kind of hardware device manager thing right? :/
[06:05] <soulrider> does anyone know a good aplce to read about how to make GUI in java? :P
[06:05] <DaSkreech> http://java.sun.com
[06:06] <bytefoo> i guessi have to reboot just to use them :/
[06:06] <soulrider> i meant somewhere else :P
[06:06] <DaSkreech> You read the java trails?
[06:06] <soulrider> java trails?
[06:06] <soulrider> sorrya bout the 
[06:07] <dhq> osh_: !pastebin dhq2
[06:07] <agresor> root@agresor:/media/hda6/MPlayer-1.0pre8# apt-get install MPlayer
[06:07] <agresor> Reading package lists... Done
[06:07] <agresor> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:07] <agresor> E: Couldn't find package MPlayer
[06:08] <dhq> osh_: now the apache server is removed
[06:08] <dhq> osh_: i want to start a fresh start for apache i need to use it as a web server and use my local directory
[06:09] <BluesKaj> Success!, managed to get the windows network printer up and printing from the Kubuntu machine thx to this page : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPPrinter?highlight=%28WindowsXPPrinter%29
[06:10] <BluesKaj> thx for the tips DaSkreech! :)
[06:10] <DaSkreech> agresor: Did you do a apt-get update
[06:10] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: No problem remember to share!
[06:11] <soulrider> i need to set up mine too
[06:11] <soulrider> i guess the link will be useful
[06:11] <BluesKaj> that;s why i posted the URL https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPPrinter?highlight=%28WindowsXPPrinter%29
[06:11] <dhq> osh_: so plz help
[06:12] <BluesKaj> soulrider, worked for me after I chose the right printer name ...it's the same as the one used on the windows machine
[06:12] <agresor> DaSkreech,  is the package name is MPlayer ?
[06:12] <agresor> did u install it ?
[06:12] <DaSkreech> agresor: yes just use all common
[06:12] <DaSkreech> mplayer
[06:13] <agresor> it will download codecs and fonts ?
[06:13] <agresor> or i have manual ?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> agresor: Ermm I think so :) What codecs do you need?
[06:13] <agresor> for .avi  mpeg mp3
[06:13] <agresor> and all ?:
[06:13] <agresor> :D
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Kaffiene does all of those
[06:14] <agresor> no it doesnt.. :( i dont have plugins
[06:14] <agresor> how to update plugins on Kaffiene ?
[06:15] <DaSkreech> agresor: try libxine-extracodecs
[06:15] <DaSkreech> !w32
[06:15] <ubotu> I know nothing about w32 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:15] <DaSkreech> !codecs
[06:15] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:16] <DaSkreech> And those URLs should take care of everythign else
[06:16] <Ace2007> hi all
[06:19] <DaSkreech> agresor: keep me up to date
[06:19] <johnvale> hi
[06:19] <h3sp4wn> the w32codecs from debian multimedia are newer than the ones from the penguin liberation front
[06:19] <MilhousePunkRock> !multimedia > agresor
[06:20] <soulrider> !wine
[06:20] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[06:20] <MilhousePunkRock> lol I was scrolled up, DaSkreech gave agresor the info already...
[06:21] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Wait.. Debian is newer than someone?
[06:21] <MilhousePunkRock> lol
[06:21] <agresor> hmm :(
[06:21] <DaSkreech> MilhousePunkRock: Better too much than too little
[06:21] <agresor> i`m without success
[06:21] <DaSkreech> agresor: Where did it fail?
[06:21] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: debian sid is newer than almost all distro's
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Oh Sid :)
[06:22] <DaSkreech> You might as well just plug a SVH script into your viens
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Veins
[06:22] <agresor> DaSkreech,  im trying to apt-get install mplayer-386
[06:22] <agresor> then that depend of other package
[06:22] <agresor> then that other package depends of other package
[06:22] <DaSkreech> agresor: are you in Kubuntu?
[06:23] <agresor> and that.... :((((
[06:23] <agresor> yes
[06:23] <DaSkreech> try kmplayer
[06:23] <agresor> i have it
[06:23] <agresor> but
[06:23] <agresor> wont play
[06:23] <agresor> shits
[06:23] <agresor> ;(
[06:25] <agresor> cant play avi
[06:25] <fannagoganna> kmplayer is a front-end to mplayer
[06:25] <agresor> cant play mp3
[06:25] <agresor> cant play anything..
[06:25] <BluesKaj> MPlayer is available seperately but I think you have to use unsupported sources to get it
[06:26] <fannagoganna> are you using mplayer for video/audio editing or to watch and play movies only?
[06:26] <agresor> just to watch
[06:26] <agresor> and play
[06:26] <agresor> lol :S
[06:26] <agresor> when i trying to compile it
[06:26] <agresor> --enable-gui
[06:26] <agresor> wont configure it...
[06:26] <agresor> errror
[06:26] <agresor> in ubuntu works..
[06:26] <agresor> kubuntu wont.
[06:26] <DaSkreech> agresor: You can't apt-get install mplayer?
[06:26] <agresor> nope
[06:27] <agresor> ;\
[06:27] <DaSkreech> agresor: Have you tried in adept?
[06:29] <agresor> when i put it
[06:29] <agresor> there is
[06:29] <agresor> BREAK (install)
[06:29] <agresor> ....
[06:29] <agresor> what is wrong ?
[06:29] <DaSkreech> really?
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Good question what else have you tried to install?
[06:30] <h3sp4wn> !info kmplayer
[06:30] <ubotu> kmplayer: media player for KDE. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.9.1.99+0.9.2-rc1-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 161 kB, installed size 524 kB
[06:30] <h3sp4wn> multiverse is not enabled (I think)
[06:30] <h3sp4wn> !info mplayer
[06:30] <ubotu> mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In repository multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 3265 kB, installed size 7916 kB
[06:31] <agresor> DaSkreech,  i tryed with source code..
[06:31] <agresor> error with gui
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Well he's installing it and it's breaking
[06:32] <soulrider> guys, if i wanna play a game using wine, will i ahve to sinatll directX? :-/
[06:32] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, automatix might have mplayer . I changed my sources list so I no longer have automatix
[06:33] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Automatix is evil
[06:33] <BluesKaj> hehe
[06:33] <h3sp4wn> Its ffmpeg you need that is not crippled (for it to work properly)
[06:33] <DaSkreech> agresor: Ok what have you done so far? :-)
[06:33] <agresor> nothing
[06:33] <agresor> :)
[06:34] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: ffmpeg again?  you're the expert now, right?
[06:34] <BluesKaj> that seems to be a majority view around here , DaSkreech :)
[06:34] <agresor> whey i type this
[06:34] <agresor> root@agresor:/etc/apt# apt-get install libreadline4
[06:34] <agresor> that ask me to remo 500 mb
[06:34] <agresor> all softwares
[06:34] <agresor> looooooooooooooool
[06:34] <agresor> remove*
[06:34] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: maybe you should make a package that isn't cripled.
[06:34] <agresor> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[06:34] <agresor>   libreadline4
[06:34] <agresor> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 259 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[06:34] <agresor> Need to get 139kB of archives.
[06:34] <agresor> After unpacking 468MB disk space will be freed.
[06:34] <agresor> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ?
[06:34] <agresor> root@agresor:/etc/apt#
[06:34] <DaSkreech> !paste
[06:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:35] <Hawkwind> agresor: Use pastebin next time please
[06:35] <agresor> ook
[06:35] <agresor> sorry
[06:35] <DaSkreech> I think you broke something
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Can You pastebin your sources?
[06:35] <agresor> for example ? :P
[06:35] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: I have never managed to get the cvs version to build in a way I am happy with (i.e without me disabling things that I don't really want to disable)
[06:35] <agresor> yes
[06:35] <agresor> w8
[06:35] <Hawkwind> larson9999: You ever use E17 at all ?
[06:36] <larson9999> Hawkwind: no, just e16
[06:36] <agresor> just tell me..
[06:36] <agresor> do i have to add those keys from sources.list ?
[06:36] <Hawkwind> larson9999: Ah.  I put up an E17 deb repo on SoS last night.  Hoping to get some users to try it out
[06:37] <larson9999> Hawkwind: i will now.  i've been waiting for you to tell me sos was all *buntued up.
[06:38] <Hawkwind> larson9999: There is a Deb Packages page on the site and it contains a bit of info
[06:38] <dhq> which is the best webserver
[06:39] <Hawkwind> No such thing as 'best'
[06:39] <TheDanMan> agreed
[06:39] <Hawkwind> That's a matter of opinion
[06:39] <Hawkwind> If there was a 'best' there would be only one
[06:39] <TheDanMan> I use apache :shrug: does everything I need
[06:39] <dhq> Hawkwind: in your view
[06:39] <Hawkwind> dhq: No, that's fact.
[06:39] <DaSkreech> agresor: In general yes but you don't have to add one for multiverse
[06:39] <Hawkwind> If there was a 'best' then there would only be one available
[06:39] <larson9999> the best is the one you like best?  that seems to hold true in linux and love
[06:39] <dhq> TheDanMan: i have so many problems with apache
[06:40] <larson9999> Hawkwind: or others trying to become the 'Best'
[06:40] <TheDanMan> dhq: I don't ;-)
[06:40] <Hawkwind> Apache just......works
[06:40] <dhq> Hawkwind: : i have so many problems with apache
[06:40] <Hawkwind> dhq: I don't
[06:40] <TheDanMan> dhq: I use apache because it works for me, and I can use it with minimal modification
[06:40] <larson9999> nothing that supposedly 'just works' does for me.
[06:40] <Hawkwind> dhq: You're having problems because you don't understand I'm betting
[06:41] <dhq> Hawkwind: how to use it
[06:41] <Hawkwind> dhq: apache.org and also tldp.org and read all about it
[06:41] <Hawkwind> dhq: Also type: /join #Apache
[06:41] <h3sp4wn> dhq: Use the kernel http server (don't know whether it is still there actually)
[06:42] <larson9999> *buntu included.  i didn't have tons of set up with it but claiming it 'just works' is a little off.
[06:42] <dhq> Hawkwind: no now i want to install apache
[06:42] <dhq> tell me the command
[06:42] <Hawkwind> larson9999: I've never done more than install apache and start the service
[06:42] <Hawkwind> dhq: sudo apt-get install <package>   Replace <package> with whatever you want
[06:43] <dhq> Hawkwind: i will just have to type apache rite
[06:43] <larson9999> Hawkwind: i haven't used apache but am pretty close to setting up my own server.  guess i'll see then.  no setup other than apt-get?
[06:44] <Hawkwind> larson9999: Not for me.  Been that way for years
[06:44] <arso> umm guys
[06:44] <arso> silly question
[06:44] <larson9999> Hawkwind: just emodules0-all to install e17?
[06:44] <arso> but am burning a data dvd on k3b
[06:44] <arso> will it be accessible on windows ?
[06:45] <larson9999> arso: should be
[06:45] <arso> ic
[06:45] <arso> thnx
[06:45] <arso> so they all follow a standard on that huh
[06:45] <Hawkwind> larson9999: No, read the SoS page.  It tells you the command
[06:45] <agresor> anyone other player can play movie and subtitles ?????????
[06:46] <arso> maybe?????????????????????????
[06:46] <ubuntu> hello
[06:46] <arso> hello
[06:46] <ubuntu> hoz are youM
[06:46] <arso> meZ are fineM
[06:46] <arso> yoz?
[06:46] <ubuntu> where are you from
[06:46] <DaSkreech> arso: ISO9660
[06:47] <arso> DaSkreech:  windows can read that?
[06:47] <arso> ubuntu dubai,u?
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Yeah :) It's a standard
[06:47] <arso> yay
[06:47] <arso> thank god
[06:47] <ubuntu> france
[06:47] <larson9999> Hawkwind: i'm dense.  i guess i needed, "Then run this command to install it."
[06:47] <arso> cool
[06:47] <arso> wb
[06:47] <arso> i want to uncap my router :(:(
[06:47] <DaSkreech> agresor: I think all of them can
[06:47] <ubuntu> i m testing this chat room
[06:48] <arso> testing/
[06:48] <arso> for wat?
[06:48] <gnomefreak> ubuntu: dont go to #kubuntu-offtopic for testing/general chat
[06:48] <gnomefreak> ubuntu: this is a support channel
[06:48] <ubuntu> because i m using a version of linux in my computer and its not easy
[06:49] <arso> lol
[06:49] <arso> which distribution?
[06:49] <arso> gnomefreak:  dont u mean "GO TO"
[06:49] <ubuntu> kubuntu
[06:49] <arso> it IS easy :)
[06:49] <ubuntu> its a live version cd
[06:49] <gnomefreak> yeah that too :(
[06:49] <arso> i started a month ago, and had no difficulty
[06:50] <ubuntu> i must learn to use the us keyboard
[06:50] <arso> oh
[06:50] <arso> wat keyboard are u using?
[06:50] <arso> uk?
[06:50] <agresor> nahh
[06:50] <agresor> nah
[06:50] <agresor> nah
[06:50] <ubuntu> the french keyboard
[06:50] <agresor> i will install ubuntu..
[06:50] <agresor> :(
[06:50] <arso> u have a special keyboard in france?
[06:51] <ubuntu> its ;aybe the same in england
[06:51] <arso> ur @ is next to the ENTER ?
[06:51] <Admiral_Chicago> arso, ...
[06:51] <larson9999> Hawkwind: hmmm, i don't see that on the sos site.  maybe i need to looks harder
[06:51] <arso> Admiral_Chicago:  yes :) ?
[06:51] <ubuntu> whatM
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> no offense but  thats kinda a dumb question
[06:52] <Hawkwind> larson9999: Sorry, it's on the LFD forums.  Look in the Kubuntu Software section
[06:52] <ubuntu> look my disposition of my keyboard qnd the us.
[06:52] <DaSkreech> agresor: :-)
[06:52] <arso> Admiral_Chicago:  the @ thing?
[06:53] <ubuntu> azertyuiop qsdfghjklm wxcvbn
[06:53] <ubuntu> and the us
[06:53] <arso> Admiral_Chicago:  thats the only unique thing i know about the uk keyboard, so i asked it
[06:53] <ubuntu> qwertyuiop asdfghjkl; zxcvbnm
[06:53] <Hawkwind> larson9999: sudo apt-get install enlightenment emodules0-all
[06:53] <Hawkwind> ubuntu: Please stop
[06:53] <ubuntu> ok
[06:53] <arso> oh not a qwerty that sux
[06:54] <ubuntu> ok
[06:54] <arso> Admiral_Chicago:  anyways, it IS dumb, but i am half asleep so i dont give a shit
[06:54] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: If you would like help you can ask here if you just want to try things out please go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:55] <arso> DaSkreech:  does this place have admins?
[06:55] <Admiral_Chicago> arso, yea its all good
[06:55] <Hawkwind> arso: Might want to watch the language
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Yes
[06:55] <arso> never seen any
[06:55] <arso> or are they undercover
[06:55] <arso> Hawkwind:  k ;)
[06:55] <DaSkreech> That's the point
[06:55] <larson9999> Hawkwind: installing now.  will check after shower and tell you what i think so far
[06:55] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: Bouncy today?
[06:56] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: He's just installed my E17 and Xchat debs and is playing around with it
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: With the new splash screen?
[06:57] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: not from the repos?
[06:57] <Hawkwind> TheGateKeeper: From my repo on http://SeerOfSouls.com/
[06:57] <arso> is it easy/possible to create a custom splash screen?
[06:57] <arso> !splash
[06:57] <ubotu> To change the Gnome splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image.
[06:57] <arso> !kde splash
[06:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about kde splash - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:57] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: It's built directly from CVS so it's got the latest stuff in it at all times :)
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Neat
[07:01] <h3sp4wn> !info imlib2
[07:01] <ubotu> Package imlib2 does not exist in dapper
[07:01] <h3sp4wn> !info imlib2 edgy
[07:01] <ubotu> Package imlib2 does not exist in edgy
[07:01] <larson9999> this isn't a *ubnutu question per se but i wonder if any here is cool enough to tell me how to get paulharvery.com to play without stopping after 10:40 seconds.  yes, i'm old enough to like paul harvey.
[07:01] <larson9999> any *nix player would do.
[07:02] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: interesting I'll keep an eye out on that site :-) I was very impressed with the speed of the OliveCD which is a derivative of mandrake and use E17
[07:03] <Healot> !find imlib
[07:03] <Hawkwind> TheGateKeeper: Elive is great.  I know a couple of the maintainers personally and have helped them with a few things over time
[07:03] <ubotu> Found: libimlib2, libimlib2-dev, gdk-imlib1, gdk-imlib11, gdk-imlib11-dev (and 9 others)
[07:03] <Healot> !info libimlib2
[07:03] <ubotu> libimlib2: powerful image loading and rendering library. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.2.1-2 (dapper), package size 188 kB, installed size 548 kB
[07:05] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: not that great, I just could not get X to start up properly :-(, and I don't use anything fancy, even posted the problem in the forum, and don't recall getting an answer
[07:06] <DaSkreech> larson9999: Put it on repeat?
[07:09] <larson9999> DaSkreech: i don't think that's the solution.  i don't want to replay the same thing.  in all the players i've tried all the shows there end after 10:40 or 10:41 but they really aren't finished.  i'm not sure why
[07:09] <chenlevy> Hi kubuntu devs. Is there a place where we can see the status of the 3.5.4 packages? Is there a place we can report problems about them?
[07:09] <fritsch> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/README
[07:09] <DaSkreech> larson9999: I think I need more information :)
[07:09] <robert__> hola a todos los del chat
[07:09] <agresor> DaSkreech,  my sources.list is broken.. u had right..
[07:09] <DaSkreech> chenlevy: Try #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu+1
[07:09] <agresor> can you please paste me yours sources.list ?
[07:09] <DaSkreech> agresor: I know :)
[07:10] <agresor> or some good :)
[07:10] <DaSkreech> agresor: You can rebuild them if you lilke
[07:10] <fritsch> chenlevy: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[07:10] <DaSkreech> !easysource > agresor
[07:10] <agresor> i dont know that fucking keys... to add
[07:10] <agresor> blah
[07:10] <agresor> ;] 
[07:10] <larson9999> Hawkwind: i get an installation error. dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/enlightenment_1%3a0.16.999.032-0cvs20060801_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:10] <agresor> ;s
[07:10] <larson9999>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop', which is also in package enlightenment-data
[07:10] <chenlevy> is the sound server bug is known / fixed?
[07:11] <larson9999> Hawkwind: so i installed enlighenment-data and is seems to have set things up.
[07:11] <fritsch> chenlevy: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_3to3_5_4.php
[07:12] <Riddell> chenlevy: yes, but other problems aren't
[07:13] <DaSkreech> !language > agresor
[07:13] <hagus> Hallo :)
[07:13] <DaSkreech> agresor: The keys are on the site
[07:13] <mikearthur> I've built my own linux-image, how would I build my own linux-restricted-modules?
[07:13] <fritsch> Riddell: any chance build currend edgy again? or did nothing change?
[07:13] <fritsch> Riddell: kde packages ...
[07:14] <Riddell> fritsch: nothing has changed
[07:14] <tsf3906> hello channel
[07:14] <[GuS] > Hi
[07:14] <tsf3906> hello gus
[07:14] <fritsch> Riddell: i am not very good in c++, but could the other distro maintainers worked around this bug?
[07:15] <fritsch> Riddell: or done sth. different
[07:15] <tsf3906> i am wondering does ubuntu have webcam chat?
[07:15] <hagus> I have been trying to install an HP1100 printer into my kubuntu system.  I have used the printer-add function in the sytem set up and the printer shows up.  However, when I try printing, nothing.
[07:15] <[GuS] > webcamchat? tsf3906
[07:15] <[GuS] > you could try Ekiga
[07:15] <tsf3906> you know ekiga?
[07:15] <[GuS] > yep.
[07:16] <tsf3906> can u do video chatting?
[07:16] <[GuS] > yes
[07:16] <[GuS] > video and voice
[07:16] <tsf3906> where can i get the package?
[07:16] <[GuS] > sudo apt-get install ekiga
[07:16] <[GuS] > type that in the terminal
[07:16] <tsf3906> can i go to add/remove packages ?
[07:16] <[GuS] > yes, that too
[07:16] <[GuS] > search for Ekiga
[07:16] <tsf3906> ok cool
[07:16] <tsf3906> thanks gus
[07:17] <[GuS] > You welcome.
[07:17] <tsf3906> bye for now
[07:17] <[GuS] > I wonder.. it is possible that KDE in Kubuntu is more slowest today?
[07:17] <mikearthur> Riddell: have you intentionally not used the kde-latest link?
[07:17] <Riddell> mikearthur: yes
[07:18] <mikearthur> Riddell: just checking :)
[07:18] <mikearthur> Riddell: that due to the bug you just mentioned?
[07:18] <Riddell> mikearthur: yes
[07:18] <mikearthur> Riddell: cool
[07:19] <hagus> Do you know if you can go to Yahoo Chat rooms using Kopete or is it only IM chats that are possible with it?
[07:20] <hagus> From what I can see of it, it strikes me that it is not an alternative to Yahoo Messenger.
[07:22] <arso> gaim can add yahoo contacts
[07:22] <arso> and msn
[07:22] <arso> and aim
[07:22] <hagus> Yes but it does not seem to support chatting in (say) a Yahoo Chat Room.
[07:23] <arso> dont think so
[07:24] <hagus> What it calls chat is 1-2-1 which I regard more as IM - whereas I was thinking more of 1-2-many.
[07:24] <Hawkwind> Gaim supports yahoo channels perfectly fine
[07:24] <DaSkreech> hagus: A Yahoo Chat room?
[07:24] <Hawkwind> Has for quite some time now
[07:24] <hagus> Yes DaSkreech :)
[07:24] <McScruff> 3.5.4 broken in dapper << NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[07:25] <[GuS] > ?
[07:25] <hagus> Maybe I should give Gaim a whirl :)
[07:25] <hagus> I had not realised that it supports Yahoo Chat.
[07:25] <hagus> Chatroom I mean.
[07:25] <david__> gaim is good
[07:25] <Firetech> McScruff: I second that, especially since I managed to upgrade BEFORE I read that :(
[07:25] <McScruff> gaim is gd but amsn is better for msn
[07:25] <Hawkwind> hagus: It has for atleast 3+ years that I know of
[07:25] <DaSkreech> Yup Kopete is a pain :(
[07:26] <arso> amsn is a pain too
[07:26] <arso> i found gaim to be best
[07:26] <McScruff> amsn is very good
[07:26] <aliasfred> i dont get why kopete and gaim doesnt have the same code base for the network part
[07:26] <arso> hmm kept crashing with me
[07:26] <david__> I'm trying to see if trillian support linux
[07:27] <hagus> Trillian I like but in windows, I find that it does not always support voice chat in Yahoo.
[07:27] <sysrpl> hello
[07:27] <sysrpl> can anyone point me to a working dowload of a vmware ubuntu/kubuntu appliance image? all the torrents/downloads i have found are down (mysql torrent server error) or slow as hell
[07:27] <DaSkreech> aliasfred: Look at telepathy :)
[07:28] <aliasfred> DaSkreech: ?
[07:28] <DaSkreech> aliasfred: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[07:28] <arso> how do i minimize amsn to tray
[07:28] <larson9999> hawkwind seems to have worked ok.
[07:29] <arso> if i try to close it it tries to quit
[07:29] <McScruff> arso: close it and it asks you
[07:29] <aliasfred> DaSkreech: oh would be good :)
[07:29] <arso> iARE U SURE U WANT TO QUIT
[07:29] <McScruff> arso: oo, im using latest svn :P
[07:29] <arso> oh , i am on a n old version?
[07:29] <aliasfred> DaSkreech: there is another thing similar in the intent, doing vfs. as gnome vfs and kio are doing similar stuffa s well
[07:29] <McScruff> ur prob on the last stable rls
[07:29] <arso> i c
[07:29] <DaSkreech> McScruff: Is he trying to keep up with Live Messenger?
[07:29] <arso> ur on a beta?
[07:29] <BluesKaj> sysrpl, have you tried isohunt http://isohunt.com/torrents.php?ext=&op=and&ihq=VMWare
[07:30] <DaSkreech> aliasfred: Do you have a link
[07:30] <sysrpl> can anyone point me to a working dowload of a vmware ubuntu/kubuntu appliance image? all the torrents/downloads i have found are down (mysql torrent server error) or slow as hell
[07:30] <McScruff> DaSkreech: dont think so, but i think its the nicest msn for linux
[07:30] <aliasfred> DaSkreech: let me find it
[07:31] <BluesKaj> what torrent client are you using , sysrpl ?
[07:31] <arso> anyone here with an uncapped modem?
[07:31] <aliasfred> DaSkreech: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fdvfs this is what i was talking about
[07:32] <DaSkreech> aliasfred: What does that have to do with IM?
[07:33] <aliasfred> DaSkreech: nothing :) but it is similar to telepathy as it tries to avoid useless code duplication. gnome-vfs/kio are doing the same thing, exactly as kopete and gaim network code are doing the same thing
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Yeah but neither of them seem inclined to use it though
[07:34] <aliasfred> yep this is the 'other' problem :)
[07:35] <hagus> Gaim does not support voice :(
[07:35] <BluesKaj> what is E17 like as a window manager...any opinions ?
[07:35] <ubuntu> como puedo guardar la cofiguracion de red? sque tengo un linux pero no me inicia la red
[07:35] <tsdgeos> !es
[07:35] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:36] <JRH3K5> s
[07:37] <arso> !cn
[07:37] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[07:37] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: It's all I will use. It's different than any other wm out there.  Lots of good options and fun things to play with
[07:37] <arso> hehe
[07:37] <arso> !jap
[07:37] <chris86wm> what is the default wireless manager for kubuntu?
[07:37] <ubotu> I know nothing about jap - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:37] <arso> any azureus users here?
[07:37] <sysrpl> thanks
[07:37] <arso> whenever a msg pop ups
[07:37] <chris86wm> wifi-radar?
[07:37] <arso> it gets stuck there
[07:37] <arso> until i exit azureus
[07:37] <sysrpl> the tracker is working nw
[07:37] <BluesKaj> thx Hawkwind, i'll investigate further
[07:37] <arso> clicking "hide" doesnt do anything
[07:37] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: I liked it, try downloading OLiveCD and give it a test drive yourself
[07:38] <sysrpl> i am using utorrent
[07:38] <arso> anyone facing that 'problem'
[07:38] <arso> utorrent on linux??
[07:38] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: I just put up an E17 repo last night on my http://SeerOfSouls.com/ site if you are interested
[07:38] <sysrpl> no, i am downloaing the vmware ubuntu image
[07:38] <chris86wm> anyone know the default wireless manager for kubuntu?
[07:38] <espenleka> Hi! Anyone using HP NX6125 laptop and succeeded to use its internal Bluetooth device?
[07:38] <arso> wireless assitant
[07:38] <BluesKaj> ok thx gatekeepre , Hawkwind
[07:38] <soulrider> arso i dont think therezs a way ti get rid of that pop up
[07:38] <soulrider> i ahd that problem too
[07:38] <soulrider> and yes, i miss utorrent too :P
[07:38] <chris86wm> is that in the repos?
[07:39] <arso> hehe
[07:39] <arso> :P
[07:39] <soulrider> i just use ktorrent, its better than it seems
[07:39] <floyd_> Can perhaps someone help me? I tried to compile new kopete 0,12,x from SVN, but it always ends up here: jingle/.libs/libkopetejabberjingle.a(ms.o): In function `ms_init':ms.c:(.text+0x6a): undefined reference to `g_thread_init'
[07:39] <soulrider> floyd_: juts get the deb package
[07:39] <soulrider> i think there is one, i updated to 0.12 without any problems
[07:39] <arso> chris86wm:  wlassitant
[07:39] <floyd_> hmm but without jingle support ^^
[07:39] <chris86wm> k, thanks
[07:40] <soulrider> if i have kopete open and i right click something in my desktop kopete crashes
[07:40] <aliasfred> floyd_: link with gthread
[07:40] <DaSkreech> !jp
[07:40] <ubotu> I know nothing about jp - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:40] <arso> soulrider:  it is?
[07:40] <floyd_> aliasfred: how would I do this?
[07:40] <espenleka> !bluetooth
[07:40] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[07:40] <arso> soulrider:  u get full bandwith download/upload rates?
[07:41] <arso> !ktorrent
[07:41] <ubotu> I know nothing about ktorrent - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:41] <arso> !wlassistant
[07:41] <ubotu> I know nothing about wlassistant - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:41] <aliasfred> floyd_: with a computer :) sorry no time to help you
[07:41] <DaSkreech> !info ktorrent
[07:41] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.2-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 738 kB, installed size 2964 kB
[07:41] <grothesk> Will those nice kubuntufications also appear in kde 3.5.4?
[07:41] <soulrider> arso: yes
[07:41] <floyd_> aliasfred: lol
[07:41] <arso> soulrider:  interesting
[07:41] <soulrider> its as fast as any other torrent client
[07:41] <espenleka> hmmm... where should i start to find out why my laptop's internal bluetooth dev is not recognized at all?
[07:41] <arso> i see
[07:42] <arso> how about NAT and firewall and all that stuff
[07:42] <arso> does it auto detect like azureues
[07:42] <soulrider> uhm im not sure, and i dont think so
[07:42] <soulrider> its a lot more simple than the toher clients
[07:42] <soulrider> but its kinda better too
[07:42] <arso> i se
[07:42] <arso> like utorrent :P
[07:42] <soulrider> azureus was good when it started, now its just too full
[07:42] <arso> hah yea
[07:43] <soulrider> azureus stopped being good
[07:43] <arso> resource leech with its java
[07:43] <soulrider> if you wanna run utorrent maybe you can use wine
[07:43] <arso> i need to finish the 25 gb downlaods on azureus then i'll try some other clients
[07:43] <arso> i used to use utorrent on windows
[07:43] <soulrider> yea, me too, and bitcomet before that
[07:43] <arso> but if ktorrent is as good as u say it is, then i'll give it a shot too
[07:43] <arso> me Too@
[07:43] <arso> i started with azureus, then bittorrent, then bitcomet, then utorrent
[07:44] <soulrider> whata re youd ownloading that is 25 GB?
[07:44] <soulrider> the biggest id ownlaoded was 15.3
[07:44] <arso> some anime series, tv series, movies, manga
[07:44] <soulrider> ah
[07:44] <arso> its not 1 file
[07:44] <arso> the biggest of them is 15.9 tho
[07:44] <arso> hajime no ippo an anime series
[07:44] <puttz> some one know were i can find this (GSM 6.10 - 11025Hz,16bit) sound codec???
[07:45] <aliasfred> bt protocol is bad :) just bitching
[07:45] <sledge_from_work> I've got a process that's trying to allocate more than 2 gigs of memory, but fails to do so. Is there a hard-limit on memory allocation and if so, where can I change it?
[07:45] <aliasfred> moving away now :)
[07:45] <arso> yawn?
[07:45] <arso> 2gb DAMN!
[07:45] <puttz> some one know were i can find this (GSM 6.10 - 11025Hz,16bit) sound codec??? plzz help me
[07:45] <soulrider> !windowsXPprinter
[07:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about windowsXPprinter - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:45] <arso> omg i want the nvidia 7950 gx2       1gb of VGA damn!
[07:46] <soulrider> :O:O:O
[07:46] <soulrider> really?
[07:46] <arso> ya :(
[07:46] <soulrider> i bet ALL games run there lol
[07:46] <arso> at the same time!!!
[07:46] <arso> lol
[07:46] <soulrider> lol
[07:47] <sledge_from_work> arso: this machine actually has 4gb of ram :P
[07:47] <arso> sledge_at_work:  nice ;)
[07:48] <soulrider> i cant set the damn printer up
[07:48] <arso> i only have 256mb vga :( shared, 1gb of ram
[07:48] <soulrider> my new mahcine will have 1 gb
[07:48] <soulrider> apaprently im getting it on friday
[07:48] <arso> thats nice
[07:48] <soulrider> arso: 256mb is great
[07:48] <BluesKaj> cool, Hawkwind,...I went to yer site and installed it ...do I have to reboot and choose it at the login menu ?
[07:48] <soulrider> dont complain
[07:48] <arso> soulrider:  ya, but its shared
[07:48] <BluesKaj> E17 that is
[07:48] <arso> so not that good
[07:48] <soulrider> :(
[07:49] <soulrider> o this machine i got 768 RAM and a 256mb GFX card
[07:49] <soulrider> BUT
[07:49] <soulrider> it should be on an 8x slot
[07:49] <soulrider> and its on a 4x slot
[07:49] <soulrider> so runs like ass
[07:49] <arso> o
[07:49] <arso> that sux
[07:49] <arso> why dont u replace the mobo?
[07:49] <soulrider> indeed
[07:49] <soulrider> im getting a new comp on friday lol
[07:49] <soulrider> i sued to ahvea  64 mb card
[07:49] <soulrider> and one day my dad just came witht he 256mb card
[07:49] <soulrider> which was coool
[07:49] <arso> lol
[07:49] <arso> must;ve been
[07:50] <DaSkreech> ktorrent 2.0 is good
[07:50] <soulrider> btu yea, it couldnt really get its full potential out
[07:50] <arso> so its running like a 128?
[07:50] <arso> so wat are the specs of the new pc?
[07:51] <soulrider> i dont know if its running like a 128
[07:51] <soulrider> it runs a bit better than the 64mb i had
[07:51] <arso> thats for sure
[07:51] <soulrider> it will be 3.0 ghz P4 processor
[07:51] <soulrider> 1 gb RAM
[07:51] <soulrider> 256 mb card
[07:51] <soulrider> i think my dad said a 12x slot
[07:51] <arso> thats nice,
[07:51] <soulrider> im not too sure, maybe he got confused
[07:51] <arso> very close to mine
[07:51] <arso> but i have 3.2 p4
[07:51] <soulrider> and im getting another HD
[07:51] <sledge_at_work> it's not the amount of vram on the card that matters the most :>
[07:51] <soulrider> so ill have 2 120gb Hds :P
[07:52] <arso> cool
[07:52] <arso> i have 200gbs :D
[07:52] <arso> 120+40+40
[07:52] <BluesKaj> soulrider https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPPrinter?highlight=%28WindowsXPPrinter%29
[07:52] <soulrider> although i think one of them is broken
[07:52] <arso> hehe
[07:52] <arso> i want a 700gb or 750
[07:52] <arso> sledge_at_work:  then wat is that matters? pipelines?
[07:52] <espenleka> how i can know which bluetooth device i have? and does my linux recognize it?
[07:52] <soulrider> would be awesome
[07:53] <soulrider> sledge_at_work: whatw ill determine how well your card runs ?
[07:53] <sledge_at_work> arso: the gpu, fillrate, etc.
[07:53] <arso> anyways my ati integrated 256 is laggy at 1024*768 half quality need for speed most wanted
[07:53] <arso> which really disapointed me
[07:53] <arso> sledge_at_work:  no idea wat those are :P
[07:53] <sledge_at_work> ram matters, too. but you wouldn't want to run a 386 with a 1gb of ram, right? :P
[07:53] <arso> anyways i plan on getting a nvidia 256 series 6 in a couple of month
[07:54] <arso> haha
[07:54] <arso> yea
[07:54] <arso> those new intel core 2 duo are amazing
[07:54] <arso> beat all the amd processors
[07:54] <arso> any cs 1.6 players here/
[07:54] <soulrider> i just hope that my new machine runs well you know, just top be able to run most games anda  decent framerate
[07:55] <soulrider> i hate CS :P
[07:55] <arso> lol
[07:55] <arso> any idea wat vga it will be?
[07:55] <soulrider> CS?
[07:55] <arso> best thing to do is assemble ur own pc
[07:55] <arso> no, ur new pc,
[07:55] <soulrider> yea
[07:55] <soulrider> definately!
[07:56] <DaSkreech> I want a AMD with integrated ATI X4500L337 GPU and 4 GB Internal FSB
[07:56] <arso> i assembled this on my own
[07:56] <DaSkreech> Of course I digress
[07:56] <arso> 4gb fsb? that exists!?
[07:56] <sledge_at_work> that can't exist.
[07:57] <sledge_at_work> maybe you meant 4ghz?
[07:57] <aliasfred> :)
[07:57] <arso> i want core 2 duo 3.46 + nvidia 7950 gx2 + 4gb ram + 42inch plasma + 750gb hdd
[07:57] <aliasfred> i want a turing machine, this beat intel + amd unified :)
[07:58] <arso> lol
[07:58] <arso> i want a car :(
[07:58] <aliasfred> i want a brain
[07:58] <adam__> me too
[07:58] <arso> lol
[07:58] <sledge_at_work> DaSkreech: http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/wheelofreincarn.htm :)
[07:58] <arso> i want to uncap my modem
[07:58] <sledge_at_work> I want games for Linux.
[07:59] <arso> me 2 ;:(:(:(:
[07:59] <arso> anyone has an account on BitMeTV.org?
[07:59] <arso> its invite only
[07:59] <arso> i seriously need an account
[07:59] <DaSkreech> sledge_at_work: ha ha :) Yeah I hope they can integrate the Mother board into it as well
[08:00] <arso> anyone?>
[08:00] <DaSkreech> !games
[08:00] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[08:00] <nnn0> arso - plasma sux ;)
[08:00] <arso> nnn0:  lol
[08:00] <arso> nnn0:  i wanna play on a projector :P
[08:01] <nnn0> crt beats lcd and plasma any day - until SED and OLED comes around
[08:01] <arso> 3/4 women prefer a plasma tv over a diamond necklace these days
[08:01] <arso> nnn0:  ya, but lcd looks better :P
[08:01] <nnn0> no
[08:01] <arso> yes it does
[08:01] <arso> not image
[08:01] <nnn0> CRT owns :)
[08:01] <arso> the hardware itself
[08:02] <nnn0> that's what i mean
[08:02] <arso> lol
[08:02] <arso> crt is too fat
[08:02] <arso> unless u dig a whole in ur wall
[08:02] <nnn0> i like'em fat
[08:02] <arso> hole*
[08:02] <arso> hehe
[08:02] <arso> best for gaming anyway
[08:02] <unknown_one> hello
[08:02] <arso> helllo
[08:03] <DaSkreech> unknown_one: I dont know you!!
[08:03] <unknown_one> :O
[08:03] <arso> lol
[08:03] <unknown_one> I need some help setting up my wifi connection using WPA
[08:03] <unknown_one> I've got no clue where to start
[08:03] <arso> okay
[08:03] <paines> is there a newsletter for kubuntu news / annoucements ?
[08:03] <DaSkreech> !newsletter
[08:03] <ubotu> I know nothing about newsletter - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:03] <DaSkreech> Guess not :)
[08:03] <nnn0> just like my 450 MHz Netfinity 5500 :D it takes the space of 6 towers, but i still love that puter :)
[08:04] <DaSkreech> paines: The Ubuntu newsletter also contains Kubuntu news
[08:04] <Zeha> pitchuuuu
[08:04] <paines> DaSkreech, thanks
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Or if you would like to help you can read the Kubuntu meeting notes
[08:04] <unknown_one> is there some sort of GUI wifi manager for kubuntu?
[08:04] <pointwood> hi, how do I debug sound? I have no sound at all :(
[08:05] <DaSkreech> It was discussed in the last meetin
[08:05] <Philip5> Hawkwind: where in the *ubuntu forums did you post about the repo?
[08:05] <Zeha> Pitchuuu?
[08:05] <Zeha> am i dead?
[08:06] <Zeha> ok, bye!
[08:06] <paines> DaSkreech, where are those notes ?
[08:07] <arso> does anyone have an account at an invite only tracker?
[08:07] <unknown_one> what about kwifimanager?
[08:08] <arso> wat about it
[08:08] <unknown_one> would it make setting up wpa easy?
[08:08] <arso> would it, guys?
[08:09] <trappist> arso: you could always try it
[08:09] <aliasfred> you transformed #kubuntu in #0dayswarez, now up to you to handle the help :)
[08:10] <h3sp4wn> unknown_one: The most reliable way is to just setup wpa_supplicant as detailed in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes
[08:11] <unknown_one> thank you h3sp4wn :)
[08:11] <arso> trappist:  not for me :P , for unknown_one
[08:11] <arso> right now i just want an invitation to an elite invite only t racker
[08:11] <trappist> oh yeah
[08:12] <trappist> arso: inappropriate for this channel
[08:12] <arso> trappist:  k
[08:12] <niki> hallo
[08:13] <arso> hello
[08:14] <niki> oh sorry i dont no its in english
[08:14] <aliasfred> niki: german ?
[08:15] <aliasfred> !de
[08:15] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:15] <unknown_one> sorry if this is a stupid question but is kde 3.5.4 avalible for kubuntu yet?
[08:15] <niki> yes iam german oh thanks
[08:16] <aliasfred> unknown_one: yep heard people who tried it and reported trouble. so likely early and not stable
[08:16] <unknown_one> aliasfred, alright
[08:16] <alterato> Quick question, does kubuntu allow for managing dual displays w/spanning from Control Panel or do you still have to fiddle with the xorg config?
[08:16] <unknown_one> anything similar to gimp for kde?
[08:17] <arso> could someone help me out please, wat the hell is this security code? i cant tell the letters http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/6827/imgdx5.png
[08:17] <unknown_one> arso, whoah heh
[08:17] <[GuS] > Krita maybe unknown_one
[08:17] <aliasfred> unknown_one: not really an equivalent, but there is krita
[08:18] <unknown_one> alright, I'm just looking for a program to do web graphics in :)
[08:18] <[GuS] > Gimp is better...
[08:18] <unknown_one> [GuS] , for some reason I can't create stuff that looks good in gimp :-\
[08:18] <[GuS] > you need practice then :)
[08:19] <unknown_one> [GuS] , also the muti individual windows are not fun to use.
[08:19] <unknown_one> *Multi
[08:19] <[GuS] > that depends of who is usign it
[08:20] <aliasfred> krita is known to be easier to use
[08:20] <unknown_one> I prefer just one window with toolbars :-\
[08:20] <[GuS] > use Windows and adobe then :P
[08:20] <trappist> yeah gimp needs tabs like firefox :)
[08:20] <unknown_one> [GuS] , ewww
[08:20] <trappist> there's also the photoshopped-up gimp patch to give you a photoshop-like interface
[08:21] <[GuS] > there you go
[08:21] <exobuzz> well.. i upgraded to kde 3.5.4 without reading the readme.. oh dear :)
[08:21] <unknown_one> gimpshop?
[08:21] <aliasfred> funny how gimp can have such a poor interface while he has been the model for a whole gui aka gnome :)
[08:21] <aliasfred> poor interface as in 'many people complains about it'
[08:21] <[GuS] > who says that Gnome has such a nice gui :P
[08:22] <aliasfred> :)
[08:22] <alterato> Quick question, does kubuntu allow for managing dual displays w/spanning from Control Panel or do you still have to fiddle with the xorg config?
[08:22] <unknown_one> I once emailed the developers of the gimp asking about a version with one window and tabs, and I was told "No"
[08:22] <unknown_one> :P
[08:23] <[GuS] > develop one unknown_one  :P
[08:23] <trappist> alterato: it supports it, but I had bad luck using it.
[08:23] <unknown_one> [GuS] , some day =P
[08:24] <[GuS] > ;)
[08:24] <exobuzz> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/README
[08:24] <exobuzz> (i should have read that)
[08:24] <alterato> trappist: were you using nvidia drivers or ati?
[08:24] <trappist> exobuzz: yeah I'm glad I did :)
[08:24] <[GuS] > to late ah? :P
[08:24] <trappist> alterato: ati - I suspect that was the problem
[08:24] <exobuzz> yeh
[08:24] <trappist> alterato: backup your xorg.conf and give it a shot
[08:24] <exobuzz> i can put up with a bit of a messy config for a few days.. as long as they manage to fix it
[08:25] <alterato> Just wanted to check before downloading and switching from fedora
[08:25] <alterato> trappist: thanks for the info :)
[08:25] <aliasfred> alterato: ubuntu got tools to install package, i mean tools which doesnt require 300mbyte and 5min to answer 'notfound' :)
[08:26] <aliasfred> alterato: real better :) a fc user here :)
[08:26] <h3sp4wn> alterato: nvidia-xconfig is the easiest way to setup X
[08:26] <alterato> Well my previous experiences with ubuntu and kubuntu have been disasterous for that reason which has always brought me back to FC
[08:27] <soulrider> !wine
[08:27] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[08:27] <arso> !info wine
[08:27] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 8578 kB, installed size 40460 kB
[08:27] <DaSkreech> paines: Sorry went for lunch
[08:27] <paines> DaSkreech, no problem
[08:27] <DaSkreech> paines: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[08:28] <paines> DaSkreech, thanks again
[08:29] <_al_> hello
[08:29] <_al_> what is wrong with kde 3.5.4 with kubuntu dapper?
[08:29] <arso> DaSkreech:  wats the difference between "!wine" and "!info wine"
[08:29] <soulrider> !wine will give you the link tot he wiki
[08:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about wine will give you the link tot he wiki - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:29] <exobuzz> _al_ http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/README
[08:29] <soulrider> and the other one will just oput the information of the package here
[08:30] <_al_> exobuzz: let's read
[08:30] <_al_> thanks
[08:30] <BluesKaj> where does E17 reside in the menu after konsol install?
[08:31] <DaSkreech> alterato: Question Why do you keep coming back to Ubuntu/Kubuntu then?
[08:31] <DaSkreech> arso: one tells you about wine one tells you about the Wine package
[08:31] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: on the login screen under sessions
[08:32] <BluesKaj> thx gnomefreak
[08:32] <gnomefreak> yw
[08:32] <arso> DaSkreech:  i c thnx
[08:32] <Skrot> Hi. Any KDE 3.5.4 users who happend to use the Lipstick style with Toolbar seperators and handles turned off?
[08:32] <DaSkreech> !info mon
[08:32] <ubotu> mon: monitor hosts/services/whatever and alert about problems. In repository universe, is extra. Version 0.99.2-9ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 173 kB, installed size 804 kB
[08:32] <DaSkreech> !info mono
[08:32] <ubotu> mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.1.13.6-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[08:32] <alterato> DaSkreech: One hears such wonderful things and was simply considering it since I had read that you no longer have to install via nvidia's own packages. Not wanting to ruffle feathers but rather cover bases :)
[08:32] <exobuzz> skrot http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/README
[08:32] <DaSkreech> arso: It's basically apt-cache search
[08:32] <_al_> exobuzz: do you know how to solve problem with kde 3.5.4?
[08:33] <exobuzz> no..
[08:33] <_al_> ok
[08:33] <Skrot> exobuzz: A little late =)
[08:33] <DaSkreech> alterato: No Feathers gone here
[08:33] <exobuzz> but you can add the stuff thats missing form the klipper..
[08:33] <exobuzz> Skrot: and for me..
[08:33] <arso> DaSkreech:  meaning , the info u get when ur in adept/synaptic?
[08:33] <DaSkreech> Most people give a Distro one chance before kicking it if they are happy with what they have
[08:33] <DaSkreech> arso: Bingo
[08:33] <Skrot> exobuzz: I noticed most of my KDE custom settings where gone, but some of the options in lipstick just wont work now
[08:34] <arso> yay
[08:34] <Skrot> Doesn't really seem related
[08:34] <arso> omg, i just joined a torrent site, turned out to be for indian movies :(
[08:34] <exobuzz> skrot.. yup..
[08:34] <exobuzz> skrot.. mayeb thats broken too ?
[08:34] <exobuzz> that will teach you.me to me impatient eh :)
[08:34] <exobuzz> you/me
[08:34] <Skrot> Seems that way. ;)
[08:35] <TheGateKeeper> alterato: I have got a GeForce4 video driver but haven't bothered to install hardware acceleration, seems to fine with the basic install
[08:35] <gnomefreak> Skrot: known issue
[08:35] <Skrot> gnomefreak: Good. :)
[08:35] <thompa> im wondering what kernel i should run on amd64duo core?
[08:35] <Skrot> I rather like them known than unknown. But the issue is just with 3.5.4, right?
[08:35] <gnomefreak> Skrot: doesnt mean its fixed
[08:35] <alterato> TheGateKeeper: Do you use dual displays?
[08:35] <gnomefreak> Skrot: 3.5.4 -dapper
[08:35] <rr72> how do i make like <ul> in HTML but with numbers instead of bullets?
[08:35] <thompa> i dont want to run the 64 bit version of kubuntu though
[08:35] <Skrot> gnomefreak: right. =)
[08:36] <thompa> am i better off with the 686 or k7?
[08:37] <TheGateKeeper> alterato: sadly not on this box, doesn't have that facility, would need to go and spend some money. If I start using as a development box, they I might just do that
[08:37] <unknown_one> thompa, depends on your CPU
[08:37] <Skrot> gnomefreak: What about "Titlebar double-click: Maximize" broken? Double-clicking titlebars shades the window
[08:37] <gnomefreak> Skrot: i havetn seeen that one yet but ive been busy the past few days
[08:38] <thompa> its an amd 64 duo core 4400
[08:38] <Skrot> gnomefreak: Okay. Are you running 3.5.4?
[08:38] <thompa> or 4200
[08:38] <gnomefreak> Skrot: yes
[08:38] <unknown_one> thompa, hmm, I could be wrong but I think that is a K8 CPU
[08:38] <TheGateKeeper> alterato: isn't it just a case of doing some tweaking in xorg.conf, or is that me over simplifying?
[08:38] <Skrot> gnomefreak: And is maximize your default action for titlebar double-clicking?
[08:38] <rikioh> how come when im trying to download firefox with adept.. it asks me for a dapper drake cd
[08:38] <thompa> yes its k8
[08:38] <thompa> your right
[08:38] <rikioh> i dont have a dapper drake cd
[08:39] <ranunculoid> How can I get K3B to be able to read MP3 files?
[08:39] <thompa> so i should maybe try k7?
[08:39] <fritsch> !restrictedformats
[08:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:39] <gnomefreak> Skrot: im not on it atm and im not on dapper
[08:39] <unknown_one> thompa, you could try it.
[08:39] <DaSkreech> ranunculoid: There is a k3b-mp3 package
[08:39] <Skrot> gnomefreak: Okay. Thanks anyway :)
[08:39] <DaSkreech> ranunculoid: Do you have multiverse?
[08:39] <fritsch> ranunculoid: look at the restricted formats link
[08:39] <alterato> TheGateKeeper: It isn't over simplifying. I can and have done so in the past, just was curious about the convinience of letting the Control Panel for KDE do it for me.
[08:39] <thompa> right now its 386. i can use 64 bit kernel can i if its the 32 bit install?
[08:39] <thompa> cant i mean...sry
[08:39] <unknown_one> thompa, I don't think so
[08:40] <thompa> right
[08:40] <soulrider> can somsoene help me insatll soemthign using wine?
[08:40] <svivian> how can I stop my Dapper machine from losing the cursor when exiting xscreensaver? Do I have to go back to the KDE screensavers?
[08:40] <soulrider> im trying to use the guide int he wiki btu tis a bit confusing
[08:40] <TheGateKeeper> alterato: back the file up and go for it :-)
[08:40] <thompa> thanks. ill instal k7, see if i notice anything and compare
[08:40] <unknown_one> soulrider, what program?
[08:40] <soulrider> bots :P
[08:40] <soulrider> its a game
[08:40] <ranunculoid> DaSkreech: yeah I have lib-xine-extracodecs and multiverse and all that
[08:40] <soulrider> my problem is selecting the path to install to
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> thompa: It is possible to use a 64 bit kernel with a 32bit userland
[08:40] <rikioh> do i have to have a dapper drake cd to install firefox thru adept?
[08:41] <DaSkreech> ranunculoid: Don't mind using adept?
[08:41] <unknown_one> soulrider, run winecfg and autodetect under drives.
[08:41] <DaSkreech> rikioh: No
[08:41] <wckdkl0wn> rikioh: no
[08:41] <soulrider> but the isnatlelr is in my hard drive
[08:41] <svivian> rikioh: No. Firefox is available through the repositories
[08:41] <wckdkl0wn> rikioh: just do sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:41] <soulrider> AND i dont ahve any CD drives connected :P
[08:41] <ranunculoid> DaSkreech that's fine
[08:41] <DaSkreech> or mozillla-firefox fora better install
[08:41] <fritsch> DaSkreech: whats the difference?
[08:41] <DaSkreech> ranunculoid: Just open it and search for k3b and look for mp3 :)
[08:41] <TheGateKeeper> alterato: system setting -> sharing sorted samba nfs out for me without me having to read 'war & peace' :-)
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> mozilla-firefox is the old package name I wouldn't use that
[08:41] <thompa> h3sp4wn: oh, should i try 64 bit kernel also?
[08:42] <soulrider> unknown_one: i got the installer on my desktop, im running it, i just dont know where to install to
[08:42] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: yes i thought so, too just transitional
[08:42] <h3sp4wn> thompa: You have to build it yourself though
[08:42] <DaSkreech> fritsch: I know that firefox is the browser I think that mozilla-firefox  can change from time to time to resolve issues
[08:42] <thompa> h3sp4wn: im wondering if k7 or 64kernel or 686 are better
[08:42] <unknown_one> soulrider,  C:\program files would be fine
[08:42] <soulrider> oh ok
[08:42] <thompa> h3sp4wn:right , ok thanks
[08:42] <DaSkreech> ranunculoid: Let me know if you find it
[08:42] <thompa> ill wait on that for a bit then
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> thompa: k7 or build your own 64 bit kernel
[08:43] <unknown_one> soulrider, you can find your windows programs via the terminal at ~/.wine/drive_c/
[08:43] <thompa> ok
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> thompa: You will need libc6-64
[08:43] <rikioh> ok when i tried to do sudo apt-get install firefox i got this error ....  E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 resource temporarily unavailable) E; Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/). is another process using it ?
[08:43] <ranunculoid> How can I do that cli? Atp-cache -dpkg *k3b* or what?
[08:43] <alterato> TheGateKeeper: Thanks muchly for you input, I think I'll get the download started and give it a whirl next week when the kiddos are back in school :)
[08:43] <ranunculoid> DaSkreech: ^^^^
[08:43] <ranunculoid> I have to go now
[08:43] <DaSkreech> ranunculoid: apt-cache search k3b should be the same thing
[08:44] <soulrider> k, thanks!
[08:44] <DaSkreech> rikioh: Close any open package software. Aept Synaptic etc
[08:45] <unknown_one> be back later
[08:46] <TheGateKeeper> alterato: it's the one I like best, there are loads of howto's lots of community backup here and in the forums, and (k)ubuntu sorted my hardware problems where debian failed, never managed to try FC on my own pc as anaconda crashed out. Good luck hope you like it :-)
[08:46] <rikioh> dasckreech i got it to work now but even in konsole its asking me for Media change: please instert the disc labeled 'kubuntu 6.06 _Dapper Drake_ - Release i386 (20060531)' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[08:46] <rikioh> when i try to install firefox
[08:47] <DaSkreech> TheGateKeeper: Tad late :)
[08:47] <DaSkreech> rikioh: You need to take that out of your sources.list
[08:47] <[GuS] > rikioh,  you must delete the repository line of the CD inside /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:47] <[GuS] > and then sudo apt-get update
[08:48] <mikearthur> I've built my own linux-image, how would I build my own linux-restricted-modules?
[08:48] <TheGateKeeper> DaSkreech: damn that's always happening to me, can't type fast enough :-( will go in a corner and cry :-)
[08:48] <_stefan_> yow, i have a question : how can I install kubuntu 6.06 via windows?
[08:49] <[GuS] > ?
[08:49] <_stefan_> if I placed the cd in the drive and I click on start.exe it doesn't work
[08:49] <[GuS] > lol
[08:49] <_stefan_> :-)
[08:49] <[GuS] > you cant install Kubuntu via windows _stefan_ ...
[08:49] <_stefan_> normaly I can boot the cd via a floppy via bootmanager
[08:50] <_stefan_> but now it doesn't work for some reason
[08:50] <[GuS] > boot the cd _stefan_  of Kubuntu
[08:50] <TheGateKeeper> _stefan_: go into your bios and make it boot of the cd
[08:50] <[GuS] > yep, thats right.
[08:50] <[GuS] > and please read mre about Linux/kubuntu/install...
[08:50] <_stefan_> and the md5 was ok, I've burned on my other pc with k3b
[08:51] <h3sp4wn> mikearthur: easiest way is to just put what you need in to /usr/src/modules (from the source packages in the repos) then when modules_image is called those modules will also get built
[08:51] <_stefan_> do you have to make your own cd to make it bootable? or is the desktop-version already bootable?
[08:51] <mikearthur> h3sp4wn: great, thanks
[08:51] <mikearthur> does modules_image create a restricted package?
[08:51] <fritsch> mikearthur: no
[08:52] <fritsch> mikearthur: ah sorry, yes
[08:52] <mikearthur> I need linux-restricted-modules to fulfill dependencies
[08:52] <mikearthur> it will, nice one
[08:52] <fritsch> mikearthur: it build the module in /usr/src/modules
[08:52] <[GuS] > _stefan_,  who says that?
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> mikearthur: It will just give you deb's of the individual modules
[08:53] <_stefan_> I've read this page and saw a topic writed about "how to make your own bootcd"
[08:53] <mikearthur> ok
[08:53] <[GuS] > _stefan_, please READ... search in the Wiki for Info.... you could boot from the Kubuntu CD and install the OS...
[08:53] <_stefan_> http://zerlinna.blogweb.de/categories/4-HowTos
[08:53] <wckdkl0wn> how do i tell what my internal ip is? i know in windows i was able to do netstat but is it the same for linux?
[08:53] <_stefan_> scroll down
[08:53] <BluesKaj> Enlightenment is nice eye candy but it freezes before I can setup any apps
[08:54] <hugelmopf> what does 3.5.4 broken in dapper mean? are there any details/solutions?
[08:54] <h3sp4wn> mikearthur: for example if you install nvidia-kernel-source (can't remember the exact package name) then just un tar.gz the file in /usr/src (it will extract it to /usr/src/modules/nvidia)
[08:54] <mikearthur> nice one
[08:55] <TheGateKeeper> wckdkl0wn: ifconfig
[08:55] <wckdkl0wn> i know i can go into network settings to see what my ip is but how do i do it from the command line
[08:55] <wckdkl0wn> TheGateKeeper: ty but i think u meant ipconfig right?
[08:55] <dr_willis> ifconfig
[08:55] <dr_willis> or is it ipconfig :(
[08:56] <wckdkl0wn> yea its ifconfig
[08:56] <TheGateKeeper> wckdkl0wn: try it and see which one of us is right :-)
[08:56] <wckdkl0wn> ty guys
[08:56] <wckdkl0wn> i just thought it would of made more sence as ipconfig not if config lol
[08:56] <fritsch> wckdkl0wn: ifconfig (fur sure)
[08:57] <fritsch> fritsch@dantooine:~$ whatis ifconfig
[08:57] <fritsch> ifconfig (8)         - configure a network interface
[08:57] <TheGateKeeper> wckdkl0wn: linux has it's own funny names for commands
[08:57] <Hawkwind> ipconfig is for Windows
[08:57] <wckdkl0wn> <-- long time windows user here lol
[08:57] <TheGateKeeper> wckdkl0wn: http://www.pcmech.com/show/os/917/
[08:59] <puttz> some one uce ventrilo 2.1.1 here ??
[09:00] <kevin> ok so i go into manage resp. under adept i delete the one for cdrom: dapper drake and when i try to install firefox i get the same message asking me to insert dapper drake cd... i go back to manage resp. and the same thing that i just deleted is back there
[09:00] <Guest639> Hi
[09:01] <soulrider> instead of uninstalling, can i just delete everything? i wine that is
[09:02] <DaSkreech> wckdkl0wn: ifconfig
[09:02] <_stefan_> Can't you boot from a cdrw?
[09:02] <_stefan_> is that the reason?
[09:03] <rikioh> does anyone have any other tips for me to get firefox installed cuz no matter how many times i delete the resp. for cdrom: kubuntu dapper drake, when i go to install firefox it still asks me to insert the cd... and under manage resp. its magically back
[09:03] <soulrider> how about get Opera
[09:03] <soulrider> its better than FF :P
[09:03] <Skrot> Is opera in kubuntu resp. now?
[09:04] <illness> can anybody recommend a good torrent program? Ktorrent seems a bit slow...
[09:04] <_stefan_> http://zerlinna.blogweb.de/archives/92-Setting-up-Firefox-IV-and-V.html for rikioh
[09:04] <gekko`> illness: bittornado
[09:04] <Skrot> illness: azureus (java) or bittornado (curses or gtk frontend afaik)
[09:04] <h3sp4wn> wckdkl0wn: ifconfig $1 | awk '/inet addr/ {printf "%s\n", substr($2,6)}' | grep -v ^127
[09:04] <gnomefreak> Skrot: only in the commercial repo
[09:04] <illness> thnx ill check em out
[09:05] <Skrot> gnomefreak: is that an additional repo or just add a line to existing mirrors?
[09:05] <wolfmanz> how do you tell the current KDE version you have?
[09:05] <sysrpl> hello
[09:05] <wckdkl0wn> h3sp4wn: whats that gonna do>?
[09:05] <sysrpl> if i type sudo <some command> and get he password wrong three times in a row, how to i reset it so i can use sudo again, because it's locked me out of the sudo command?
[09:05] <gnomefreak> Skrot: open add/remove in the menu and choose the box on right (i think it says commercial)
[09:05] <rikioh> wow that looks like it will take an hour to do... just to get firefox rofl well here goes nothing
[09:05] <gnomefreak> oh wait
[09:05] <gnomefreak> Skrot: hold on ill get you the link (forgot kde)
[09:06] <h3sp4wn> wckdkl0wn: Give you your ip
[09:06] <Skrot> gnomefreak: okey ;)
[09:06] <wckdkl0wn> ah i c
[09:06] <gnomefreak> Skrot: http://www.buntudot.org/howtos/canonical-repositories/
[09:07] <Skrot> Great. Thanks :)
[09:07] <sysrpl> i screwed up
[09:08] <sysrpl> i typed the sudo password wong three times
[09:08] <sysrpl> how do i reset my password attempt count?
[09:09] <wolfmanz> how do you tell the current KDE version i have?
[09:09] <Skeez187> *skeez*
[09:09] <dr_willis> run a kde app - look in the help menu/about
[09:09] <sorush20> how do I get kubuntu to redetec all my usb devices?
[09:09] <gekko`> wolfmanz: kdesktop -v
[09:09] <sysrpl> how do i reset my password attempt count?
[09:09] <sorush20> I have a usb headset but it is not being detected..
[09:09] <TheGateKeeper> h3sp4wn: bash script language and regular expressions? ---> ifconfig $1 | awk '/inet addr/ {printf "%s\n", substr($2,6)}' | grep -v ^127
[09:10] <wolfmanz> thanks
[09:11] <Surger> Is it really neccessary to do a : apt-get update and apt-get upgrade BEFORE doing a distro upgrade? I want to go from Breezy to Dapper but on dialup doing a Breezy upgrade first hurts.
[09:11] <sysrpl> i screwed up at the console typing the wrong su password 3 times in a row .. now with my user account i can't execute su command ... how do i reset the password attempt count?
[09:11] <svivian> So, having just rebooted because my screensaver activated, and when I unlocked my machine the cursor was gone...How do I keep from losing my cursor when exiting the screensaver?
[09:13] <sysrpl> i screwed up at the console typing the wrong su password 3 times in a row .. now with my user account i can't execute su command ... how do i reset the password attempt count?
[09:14] <svivian> sysrpl: did you reboot?
[09:14] <sysrpl> not yet
[09:14] <DaSkreech> !help
[09:14] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[09:14] <sysrpl> i am running ubuntu through vmware
[09:15] <DaSkreech> !lang
[09:15] <ubotu> I know nothing about lang - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:15] <TheGateKeeper> Surger: getting your hands on the alternative CD might be a better bet if you can. Edgy is due out in october, as you only have a dial up may be you wait, and upgrade straight to edgy if that is possible, and I presume it will be
[09:15] <gekko`> sysrpl: maybe set the passwd_tries to 4 in /etc/sudoers file
[09:15] <Surger> TheGateKeeper: Ok thanks
[09:15] <svivian> gekko`: I think sysrpl means he is currently locked out of su, and needs to find out how to unlock
[09:16] <svivian> sysrpl: If you can't reboot from the command line, I'd say pull the plug, restart, and see if it lets you in then
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> TheGateKeeper: I wouldn't say its bash specific afaik (I use zsh)
[09:16] <svivian> sysrpl: If you can't reboot from the command line, I'd say pull the plug, restart, and see if it lets you in then
[09:16] <svivian> So, having just rebooted because my screensaver activated, and when I unlocked my machine the cursor was gone...How do I keep from losing my cursor when exiting the screensaver?
[09:20] <gnomefreak> anyone have a stock kde version on dapper?
[09:20] <gnomefreak> !info k3b
[09:20] <ubotu> k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.12.14-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 3941 kB, installed size 8376 kB
[09:20] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[09:21] <Martijn81> nope, 3.5.3 here
[09:21] <kosh> heh mine is about as far from stock as you can get
[09:21] <gnomefreak> what version is in dapper?
[09:21] <crimsun> !info k3b dapper
[09:21] <gnomefreak> i thought it was 3.5.3
[09:21] <ubotu> k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.12.14-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 3941 kB, installed size 8376 kB
[09:21] <Martijn81> i believe 3.5.2, but i might be wrong
[09:22] <crimsun> !info konqueror dapper
[09:22] <ubotu> konqueror: KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In repository main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 1911 kB, installed size 5168 kB
[09:22] <gnomefreak> crimsun: im thinking its .12.16
[09:22] <kosh> 0.12.14-0ubuntu7
[09:22] <kosh> for k3b
[09:22] <crimsun> edgy> 0.12.16-1ubuntu1
[09:22] <gnomefreak> ah
[09:23] <gnomefreak> ok thats what im thinking of
[09:24] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[09:26] <crazy_penguin> hi all!
[09:26] <rikioh> ok so i followed those instructions on getting firefox installed i downloaded the tars extracted them and suck
[09:27] <rikioh> such
[09:27] <rikioh> im at the end of the reading and i dont know where to find my firefox now :)\
[09:27] <crimsun> rikioh: was ``sudo apt-get install firefox'' not simple enough for you?
[09:27] <kosh> isn't firefox install by default?
[09:27] <rikioh> no i cant do that crimsun cuz it asks me for dapper cd
[09:27] <uniq> kosh: not on kubuntu i belive.
[09:28] <raphink> no kosh, not on kubuntu
[09:28] <crimsun> rikioh: you can just comment that first deb-cdrom line out.
[09:28] <raphink> thankfully
[09:28] <raphink> :)
[09:28] <rikioh> when i do it just keeps coming back
[09:28] <rikioh> well what do you mean comment it out?
[09:28] <raphink> rikioh: did you apt-get update ?
[09:28] <rikioh> i just tried removing it
[09:28] <raphink> after commenting out/removing the line
[09:28] <raphink> rikioh: yes
[09:29] <raphink> and then save your sources.list
[09:29] <raphink> and then run "sudo apt-get update"
[09:29] <raphink> otherwise the changes won't be taken in consideration
[09:31] <mikearthur> how do I check which minor kernel version used by linux-source?
[09:31] <raphink> uname -a
[09:31] <rikioh> ok raphink i got the light weight web browser installed
[09:32] <rikioh> now where will it be
[09:32] <rikioh> ?
[09:32] <junx> alright, I did something very stupid and tried out KDE 3.5.4
[09:32] <raphink> rikioh: do you mean firefox????????
[09:32] <rikioh> yes
[09:32] <rikioh> firefox light weight webbrowse
[09:32] <junx> but there are NO damn details about why the hell kubuntu-default-settings fucks up
[09:32] <Martijn81> rikioh: alt+F2 and hit firefox
[09:32] <raphink> I don't know a browser that is _less_ light weight than firefox
[09:32] <raphink> lol
[09:32] <junx> what happened?
[09:32] <raphink> if you want a light weight browser, try link2 -g
[09:32] <raphink> :)
[09:32] <Hawkwind> junx: Try to watch the language.  Did you use Riddell's repo for 3.5.4 ?
[09:32] <Martijn81> rikioh: or K-menu->Internet
[09:32] <junx> oh yeah, sorry
[09:32] <Riddell> junx: I don't have any details, if I did I'd fix it
[09:33] <rikioh> cool cool
[09:33] <rikioh> ty
[09:33] <kosh> hmm opera and konqueror are both far lighter weight then firefox is
[09:33] <junx> I'm just frustrated because this is like the tenth time apt's lack of rolling back ability has screwed me
[09:33] <svivian> how do I keep xscreensaver from killing my mouse cursor?
[09:33] <kosh> because of firefox's brain dead caching methods
[09:33] <raphink> yes kosh totally agreed
[09:33] <raphink> and more powerful, too
[09:33] <uniq> junx: I can help you rollback if you want.
[09:33] <junx> oh good, you were able to help last time
[09:33] <raphink> firefox doesn't do a half of what konqueror does
[09:33] <raphink> still konqueror is faster
[09:33] <Skrot> Anyone know how to start the katapult config dialog? I haven't got katapult in the systray
[09:34] <junx> Skrot: alt+space, then ctrl+c
[09:34] <Skrot> Thanks :)
[09:34] <TheGateKeeper> Skrot: right click -> restore may be ???
[09:34] <junx> uniq: how would I go about rolling back to KDE 3.5.3?
[09:34] <raphink> junx: you can't easily
[09:34] <uniq> raphink: sure you can.
[09:35] <raphink> junx: you have to deinstall kde and reinstall it
[09:35] <uniq> junx: did you get it from kubuntu.org ?
[09:35] <junx> uniq: yes
[09:35] <raphink> after removing the kde 3.5.4 repo from your sources.list
[09:35] <uniq> junx: ok, don't remove the repo from sources.list.
[09:35] <raphink> uniq: I didn't say you can't, I said not easily ;)
[09:35] <uniq> raphink: adding 6 lines to /etc/apt/preferences and apt-get dist-upgrade is pretty easy. :)
[09:35] <junx> oh right
[09:36] <raphink> ah sure that's a way uniq
[09:36] <mani_> hi all !
[09:36] <raphink> hi mani_
[09:36] <mani_> im trying to get my ssh daemon working... and its been two days and im not getting anywhere
[09:36] <mani_> i have kubuntu on my laptop
[09:36] <dr_willis> mani_,  gesh - thats like a 20 sec job. :P
[09:37] <raphink> mani_: what's the problem?
[09:37] <raphink> sshd works great with a default install
[09:37] <mani_> this is my setup:
[09:37] <mani_> i have my laptop running kubuntu
[09:37] <mani_> and my wife's laptop running mepis
[09:37] <junx> alright, uniq, what's next?
[09:37] <mani_> my ip addres is 182.168.1.2
[09:37] <mani_> and my wife's is 192.168.1.3
[09:37] <raphink> 192 I guess, not 182
[09:37] <mani_> yes. sorry.
[09:37] <raphink> ok
[09:38] <mani_> i need to copy some from files from one laptop to another
[09:38] <raphink> can you ping a computer from the other one?
[09:38] <mani_> yes...
[09:38] <mani_> it pings fine both ways
[09:38] <raphink> did you install the openssh server ?
[09:38] <junx> do you have openssh-server installed?
[09:38] <raphink> junx: ;)
[09:38] <junx> raphink: :)
[09:38] <uniq> junx: ok.. open /etc/apt/preferences in a editor.
[09:39] <|lostbyte|> Any way to free up unused memory space ?
[09:39] <junx> uh huh
[09:39] <TheGateKeeper> mani_: raphink use NFS System Settings -> sharring
[09:39] <uniq> junx: if you just wait a minute i can make the file for you so you simply can download it.
[09:39] <raphink> TheGateKeeper: that's a way indeed, but that requires to install NFS ;)
[09:39] <raphink> just moving the problem
[09:39] <dr_willis> |lostbyte|,  linux is very good at doing that as needed.
[09:39] <junx> I've done this before, but I don't remember what to put
[09:39] <junx> but alright, I'll wait
[09:40] <dr_willis> kde has that ssh: file system interface I thought - tht would let ya drag/drop files.
[09:40] <|lostbyte|> dr_willis, Cool ! so how, do i go about doing that.
[09:40] <mikearthur> 2.6.17-5.16 = kernel source 2.6.17.16 or 2.6.17.5?
[09:40] <raphink> mani_: do you have a reason to want ssh in particular, or do you only want any kind of file sharing?
[09:40] <|lostbyte|> I am talking about the RAM.
[09:40] <svivian> how do I keep xscreensaver from killing my mouse cursor?
[09:40] <junx> fish://site/
[09:40] <dr_willis> |lostbyte|,  you DONT do anything..  the OS is very smart about how it allocates ram. No need to mess with it.
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> shfs is pretty good (don't know why so few people use it)
[09:41] <|lostbyte|> dr_willis, But i think my box is getting old. cause it does'nt disallocate when a program is called.
[09:41] <|lostbyte|> What could be doing this..
[09:41] <Hawkwind> |lostbyte|: The more that is used the faster your system will run.  It caches things and keeps them cached and then frees up RAM as it might need it for something new
[09:41] <uniq> junx: what ubuntu mirror do you use?
[09:41] <Hawkwind> |lostbyte|: Could be bad RAm ?
[09:41] <junx> ftp.ubuntu.com
[09:41] <dr_willis> |lostbyte|,  could be the program has a bug/memory leak. depends on the program.. or you are confused as to how you are reading the memory used info.
[09:41] <uniq> junx: archive.ubuntu.com ?
[09:41] <|lostbyte|> Example, i run a couple of program and later close them, after some time i get very less memeory space free. and X crashes, if i open any more programs..
[09:41] <mani_> hi junx... how to i install openssh-server? do i user adept ?
[09:42] <junx> no, just ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/
[09:42] <uniq> junx: in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[09:42] <mikearthur> 2.6.17-5.16 = kernel source 2.6.17.16 or 2.6.17.5?
[09:42] <raphink> mani_: you can use adept
[09:42] <fritsch> mani_: sudo apt-get install ssh
[09:42] <junx> mani_: you should be able to find it in adept
[09:42] <raphink> mani_: or just type "sudo apt-get install openssh-server"
[09:42] <raphink> no fritsch
[09:42] <junx> uniq: yes, ftp.ubuntu.com
[09:42] <dr_willis> |lostbyte|,  that sounds like either a nasty leak.. or some bad ram.
[09:42] <|lostbyte|> Hawkwind, Ram is good, Did a ram check from the BIOS and things were ok.
[09:42] <fritsch> raphink: ssh is the transitional package
[09:42] <raphink> ah right sorry fritsch
[09:42] <fritsch> raphink: it installs the same
[09:42] <raphink> yes you are right sorry
[09:42] <raphink> :)
[09:42] <raphink> it depends on both the client and server :)
[09:42] <dr_willis> do a ram check from that GRUB memcheck option an dlet it run over night.
[09:42] <fritsch> raphink: less long word, less chance to make a type
[09:43] <uniq> junx: ok.
[09:43] <fritsch> raphink: typo
[09:43] <|lostbyte|> dr_willis, NAsty Leak ! Where could i learn more ?
[09:43] <raphink> sure fritsch :)
[09:43] <fritsch> raphink: yes, you are right, but ssh ist installed by default ... so no problem
[09:43] <raphink> mani_: do as fritsh said : install the ssh package
[09:43] <Hawkwind> |lostbyte|: I'd run memtest for about 12 hours to see if your RAM is really good or not
[09:43] <|lostbyte|> :P
[09:43] <dr_willis> |lostbyte|,  if  you are just using the normal ubuntu programs, i doubt if theres much of leak.. try doing some things from the console and see if they hallen with every program.
[09:44] <mani_> hi junx... no luck... i search for "openssh" in adept, but it keeps saying no results
[09:44] <junx> anyways, what's wrong with 3.5.4?
[09:44] <|lostbyte|> Hawkwind, will keep it on list "THings to do, tonight" tx
[09:44] <junx> mani_: try "ssh"
[09:44] <raphink> mani_: install "ssh"
[09:45] <mani_> still nothing
[09:45] <raphink> that can't be mani
[09:45] <raphink> ssh is in main
[09:45] <mani_> i have checked the options unsupported as well as prop s/w
[09:45] <raphink> so t has to be in adept
[09:45] <raphink> mani_: just type "sudo apt-get install ssh" in a console
[09:45] <|lostbyte|> dr_willis, Yup ! all mu program are from the repos, except google_earth. which i never used for a long time.. I'll google a bit on that "Memory Leak Phenomenon" tx
[09:45] <|lostbyte|> my*
[09:46] <dr_willis> |lostbyte|,  if EVERY program is leaking memory or somthing... you got some other issue. :P
[09:46] <hub> hi
[09:46] <|lostbyte|> ok !
[09:46] <hub> how do I get MP3 playback in Amarok?
[09:46] <hub> it is using the xine engine
[09:46] <hub> RB works fine with gstreamer
[09:46] <junx> hub: install libxine-extracodecs
[09:47] <Hawkwind> !mp3 > hub
[09:47] <hub> ah
[09:47] <fritsch> Hawkwind: thx
[09:47] <junx> or that
[09:47] <hub> junx: that could be it
[09:47] <hub> Hawkwind: what?
[09:47] <Hawkwind> hub: Read what the bot sent you, assuming you are a registered user and identified with nickserv
[09:47] <hub> junx: was missing. thanks
[09:47] <junx> k
[09:47] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: the bot sends to everyone
[09:48] <gnomefreak> as long as the nick is int he channel
[09:48] <hub> Hawkwind: RTFM it is called.
[09:48] <hub> Hawkwind: but if amarok had used gstreamer...
[09:48] <junx> you know what works better than a bot? a website! (bots should be banned from freenode, but that's just my opinion)
[09:48] <Hawkwind> hub: You won't ever see me say RTFM
[09:48] <kosh> if amarok has used gstreamer far more people would not have used it
[09:49] <fritsch> kosh: :-)
[09:49] <hub> wiki.kubuntu.com wasn't helpful
[09:49] <junx> gst still can't do gapless playback
[09:49] <kosh> gst has problems with more then two speakers
[09:49] <hub> yeah works
[09:49] <fritsch> hub: then you did not look right, search for restrictedformats
[09:49] <kosh> xine doesn't
[09:49] <|lostbyte|> Hawkwind, dr_willis Got something, Everytime i change my wallpaper, 20 MB of my memory is allocated some where ! happens for every wallpaper..
[09:49] <hub> fritsch: I look for mp3
[09:49] <gnomefreak> !restricted
[09:49] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:49] <gnomefreak> hub look at wha thte bot posted
[09:49] <hub> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=mp3&titlesearch=Titles
[09:49] <hub> gnomefreak: it is solved
[09:49] <hub> thanks guys
[09:50] <fritsch> kosh: i tried it long, long time ago, when gnome was so nice not to let you print odd and even pages, because of the poor user ...
[09:50] <mani_> im getting an error msg when i try to do a apt-get install ssh:
[09:50] <TheGateKeeper> hub: you know about w32codecs too?
[09:50] <fritsch> mani_: what does it say?
[09:50] <kosh> all of these "make things easy" that gnome is going for only seem that way until you deviate outside their default setup
[09:50] <junx> mani_: did you sudo?
[09:50] <mani_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:50] <junx> oh
[09:50] <junx> close adept
[09:50] <Hawkwind> junx: uniq must be writing a book for you on rolling back your KDE :P
[09:50] <kosh> run a quad screen setup, 7.1 sound etc and then find out how nice and easy gnome is to work with
[09:50] <mani_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:51] <junx> Hawkwind: probably
[09:51] <fritsch> mani_: close adept
[09:51] <mani_> oh.. ok...
[09:51] <junx> although we've gone through this process before when I installed edgy by accident
[09:51] <mani_> let me try again
[09:51] <Hawkwind> junx: But as long as it works, it doesn't matter :)
[09:51] <fritsch> junx: lol
[09:52] <DaSkreech> junx: If we just used a website there would be no need for IRC :)
[09:52] <junx> for an FAQ
[09:52] <mani_> done. it is installed. should i do ssh from my wife's laptop now ?
[09:52] <junx> instead of issuing the bot command, you just paste the link
[09:53] <junx> mani_: yeah
[09:53] <raphink> you can do it now mani_
[09:53] <fritsch> mani_: yes
[09:53] <hub> TheGateKeeper: yeah, but I don't care for these
[09:53] <fritsch> junx: youre a lot faster
[09:53] <BluesKaj> hey Hawkwind ..got E17 installed but it freezes when trying to set a new background  :(
[09:53] <Skeez187> *skeez*
[09:53] <junx> fritsch: indeed
[09:53] <fritsch> junx: okay, i try harder
[09:53] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: How are you trying to set a background ?
[09:53] <hub> TheGateKeeper: it was just the matter of figuring out wich package did xine want
[09:53] <junx> fritsch: remember tab completion! :)
[09:53] <steve> mani: unable to lock /var/lib/dpkg often means you are trying to run the command as a normal user
[09:53] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: You have to make sure the background files are .edj files, not .png or .jpg or anything like that
[09:53] <TheGateKeeper> hub: ok :-)
[09:54] <raphink> no steve, it means another process is using it
[09:54] <junx> steve: or you're running a program that utilises dpkg
[09:54] <raphink> steve: in that case it means adept was using it
[09:54] <gnagno> hello all :)
[09:54] <junx> a combination of those 3 messages
[09:54] <raphink> could have been another apt-get using it at the same time
[09:54] <fritsch> raphink: you can look with lsof or fuser
[09:54] <raphink> hi gnagno
[09:54] <mani_> steve, i was having adept open
[09:54] <mani_> the problem is now solved
[09:55] <steve> mani: er, wrong guess
[09:55] <fritsch> mani_: we thougt so
[09:55] <steve> oops
[09:55] <raphink> mhm
[09:55] <mani_> i am able to connect from y wife's laptop and browse through the files in my hard disk
[09:55] <mani_> i guess i will use sftp to copy the files
[09:55] <fritsch> mani_: juhu
[09:55] <junx> I'm still waiting for a good compiz-kde
[09:55] <junx> mani_: you can just use scp
[09:55] <mani_> is there any GUI tool for this
[09:55] <junx> works like cp
[09:55] <raphink> mani_: you can use sftp or fish with konqueror
[09:55] <raphink> mani_: or you can use scp
[09:55] <gnagno> junx I am using compiz-kde right now
[09:55] <raphink> junx: ;)
[09:55] <BluesKaj> Hawkwind, well I have this beautiful pic that my daughter took in prague ans I use it as my background Kubuntu and windows and I'd like to use it with Enlightenment as well
[09:56] <raphink> mani_: type fish://192.168.0.3
[09:56] <junx> gnagno: I heard that was pretty unstable, and I couldn't get it working, so I just assumed
[09:56] <mani_> raphink, my wife's laptop is running mepis
[09:56] <raphink> or 2
[09:56] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Then you need to make an .edj file of it
[09:56] <raphink> depending on what you want to use
[09:56] <raphink> mani_: in konqueror
[09:56] <raphink> that'll give you a gui
[09:56] <SeanTater> mani_: sftp://192.168.0.3 works better
[09:56] <BluesKaj> ok , that's new to me
[09:56] <Skeez187> *skeez*
[09:56] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: e17setroot -s /full/path/to/file.jpg
[09:56] <raphink> then you can right clic on the status bar on the bottom of the konqueror window and split the window
[09:56] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Replace file.jpg with the file name.  But you must use the full path to the image
[09:56] <raphink> so you can have your local files
[09:56] <gnagno> junx: I didn't have any crash in the last 4 days of testing with it.... it is very stable and reliable on my computer (and I have to say even very fast)
[09:56] <raphink> in the same window
[09:57] <raphink> SeanTater: how so?
[09:57] <BluesKaj> OK
[09:57] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: It will then create an .edj file which will be placed in your ~/.e/e/backgrounds directory
[09:57] <junx> there just isn't enough KDE love nowadays
[09:57] <SeanTater> raphink: it does not require the use of bash or perl, just c
[09:57] <SeanTater> raphink: c is a tad fastar than either
[09:57] <raphink> SeanTater: makes sense :)
[09:57] <raphink> yep
[09:57] <DaSkreech> junx: Sometimes there are a lot of URLS and people get Busy and tired. Bots always remember
[09:58] <SeanTater> raphink: most sshd installations come with it, to my knowledge, none come without it
[09:58] <raphink> sure SeanTater
[09:58] <junx> DaSkreech: bots can also be annoying when every question you ask is answered by a damn bot
[09:58] <raphink> and even some ssh servers have ssh login disabled so you can't use fish, but they keep sftp enabled, so you can transfer files safely
[09:58] <junx> or if you say something you shouldn't, worse than getting flamed, you get annoyed by a damn bot
[09:58] <junx> raphink: or if you can't use sftp, you can use scp or rsync
[09:59] <raphink> yes
[09:59] <KaiHanari> what would be the easiest language to run unix commands and capture their output for use in webpages?
[09:59] <fritsch> KaiHanari: per?
[09:59] <mani_> junx, raphink, thanks for the all help :)
[09:59] <junx> KaiHanari: you could do that in almost any language
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> mani_: Use shfs its transparant and works really well
[09:59] <junx> PHP would work
[10:00] <DaSkreech> junx: The bot only responds if you speak to it
[10:00] <junx> mani_: no prob
[10:00] <DaSkreech> junx: It's not admin
[10:00] <mani_> one more question
[10:00] <KaiHanari> junx, i didnt ask what can do it, i asked the easiest
[10:00] <KaiHanari> fritsch, perl is probably right
[10:00] <gnagno> does anyone know about the message waiting for headers on apt-get update?
[10:00] <KaiHanari> i have a huge book and never bothered to use it
[10:00] <mani_> how can i configure firewall settings in my kubuntu
[10:00] <raphink> KaiHanari: python is good for this
[10:00] <fritsch> mani_: there are none
[10:00] <raphink> perl, too
[10:00] <junx> DaSkreech: when the users in the channel abuse the crap out of the bot *cough##phpcough*, it gets annoying
[10:00] <KaiHanari> im looking for the EASIEST
[10:00] <fritsch> mani_: ubuntu comes with no port open
[10:01] <fritsch> KaiHanari: hehe, you could do a cron job, creating files in your public_html
[10:01] <fritsch> KaiHanari: but that`s probably not "time near"
[10:01] <DaSkreech> junx: That's what admin is for :-)
[10:01] <KaiHanari> fritsch, no, i want to also run commands from pushbuttons on a page
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> KariHanari: You could use haserl (for embedding shell into http documents) but I would use perl
[10:01] <fritsch> KaiHanari: okay, but be careful
[10:01] <junx> and when the admin bans you for some random reason?
[10:01] <raphink> KaiHanari: this is potentially a security hole
[10:01] <junx> I'll admit that all my annoyances are with ##php, but it still stands as an argument :p
[10:02] <raphink> KaiHanari: as h3sp4wn and others suggested, you can just have perl scripts called by HTML forms
[10:02] <uniq> junx: sorry. had to talk to my girlfriend. Now. Add this to /etc/apt/preferences,  \n is new line: Package: * \n Pin: origin ftp.ubuntu.com \n Pin-Priority: 1001 \n Package: * \n Pin: origin kubuntu.org \n Pin-Priority: -100 \n
[10:02] <Skeez187> *skeez*
[10:03] <uniq> junx: now, save and exit and do: 'sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade'
[10:03] <KaiHanari> raphink, its on a server only accessable locally on the business network, the page would be password protected, and the other access to the http server is via ssh tunnel, which is completely private to my system.. remote admin +no ports forwarded
[10:03] <junx> aight, thanks
[10:03] <KaiHanari> no security holes for me :)
[10:03] <KaiHanari> raphink, ya, ok... perl it is then... ive got some learning to do...
[10:04] <raphink> KaiHanari: bash would b efine, too, or python, or just anything ;)
[10:04] <raphink> if you prefer another language
[10:04] <raphink> but perl and python are easier to interface with html
[10:04] <KaiHanari> bash can do it?!
[10:04] <KaiHanari> how?
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> haserl
[10:04] <raphink> KaiHanari: just as any other language can
[10:04] <Hawkwind> uniq: Doing that will roll back from KDE 3.5.4 to 3.5.3 and not break anything ?
[10:04] <brutopia> how can I disable that bouncing busy icon in kubuntu
[10:05] <raphink> boucing busy icon?
[10:05] <TheGateKeeper> uniq: worth putting in the howto's in ubuntu forum?
[10:05] <fritsch> Hawkwind: you could also remove every 3.5.4 package
[10:05] <KaiHanari> raphink, ok.. know any sites? im googling now....
[10:05] <uniq> Hawkwind: will roll back to the default in the real archives.
[10:05] <brutopia> when you start some program it's icon bounces beside cursor
[10:05] <uniq> TheGateKeeper: feel free.
[10:05] <fritsch> Hawkwind: after that change sources list to 353 and apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:05] <raphink> ah right
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> KaiHanari: use haserl and awk for generating the html
[10:05] <uniq> Hawkwind: it will prioritize ftp.ubuntu.com over kubuntu.org and force downgrades if needed.
[10:06] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: haserl, hehe in germany it`s little rabbit in bavarian dialect
[10:06] <junx> odd, why does this downgrade things like mysql?
[10:06] <mani_> brutopia, but the bouncing icons are cute !
[10:06] <fritsch> uniq: mmmh kde 3.5.4 are from kubuntu.org, too
[10:06] <fritsch> uniq: so perhaps no luck?
[10:06] <junx> oh snap
[10:06] <raphink> brutopia: somewhere in systemsetings, don't remember where
[10:06] <junx> can't prioritise ubuntu over dotdeb
[10:07] <uniq> junx: if you have other special cases those have to be pinned too.
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> fritsch: I have only briefly messed with it but you can do dynamic html using awk and haserl (But I still think perl is alot easier)
[10:07] <junx> uniq: right, now I noticed that
[10:07] <Firetech> brutopia: system settings > Panel > Launch feedback
[10:07] <DaSkreech> junx: Well see if how this channel is run allays any biais fears you may have
[10:08] <fritsch> junx: downgraded yesterday, in the way i said above
[10:08] <brutopia> Firetech: thanks
[10:09] <junx> alright, this seems to be working, thanks uniq
[10:09] <uniq> fritsch: downgrading from kde 3.5.4 to 3.5.3 directly both from kubuntu.org can also be done. But I would think downgrading to 3.5.2 and if desired upgrade to 3.5.3 is the best way.. atleast teh easiest imho.
[10:09] <uniq> junx: remember to remove /etc/apt/preferences and do a new dist-upgrade when done.
[10:09] <Skeez187> *skeez*
[10:09] <junx> k
[10:09] <SeanTater> is 3.5.4 actually in main or universe, or is it elsewher, I thought of upgrading today until I noticed the topic..
[10:10] <fritsch> uniq: okay
[10:10] <junx> SeanTater: it's on kubuntu.org/packages/
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> Its on kubuntu.org
[10:10] <SeanTater> junx: okay
[10:10] <junx> tip: don't upgrade to 3.5.4, go with 3.5.3
[10:10] <Martijn81> SeanTater:but read the readme first
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> Is it possible to remove the kubuntu customisations and just get a standard version of kde
[10:10] <junx> or "kde-latest"
[10:10] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: yes ;-)
[10:11] <uniq> junx: remember to remove kde 3.5.4 from sources.list before the last dist-upgrade.. you don't want it back :)
[10:11] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: if you install kde 3.5.4 all kubuntu customatzations are gone (by accident)
[10:11] <junx> right right, already did that
[10:11] <junx> fritsch: does anyone know why?
[10:11] <fritsch> junx: no, tried to find out the last 2 days
[10:12] <junx> are you the maintainer of kubuntu.org/packages/?
[10:12] <uniq> h3sp4wn: you can remove kubuntu-default-settings.
[10:12] <fritsch> junx: no
[10:12] <junx> who is?
[10:12] <raphink> junx: I am, for ex ;)
[10:12] <fritsch> junx: Riddell
[10:12] <raphink> and riddell of course :)
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> uniq: Will that make system settings just be the standard kcontrol ?
[10:12] <DaSkreech> HeeHee
[10:12] <junx> so, do you know why kubuntu-default-settings isn't working?
[10:12] <uniq> h3sp4wn: don't know.
[10:12] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: You have standard kcontrol
[10:12] <raphink> haven't been looking lately junx
[10:13] <junx> or why when I go to system settings -> appearance, it crashes?
[10:13] <raphink> you should ask on #kubuntu-devel junx
[10:13] <fritsch> raphink: could you do?
[10:13] <raphink> fritsch: don't have much time for that lately
[10:13] <junx> ah
[10:13] <raphink> :(
[10:13] <raphink> junx:  are you having problems in edgy or with kde 3.5.4 on dapper?
[10:13] <crazy_penguin> so it's not a good ideea to upgrade to kde 3.5.4?
[10:13] <junx> raphink: dapper
[10:14] <raphink> k
[10:14] <raphink> and what are the symptoms?
[10:14] <uniq> crazy_penguin: works fine on edgy.
[10:14] <fritsch> raphink: straced nearly every k**stuff, ksmserver, startkde, etc.
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: I just don't like most of the customisations - I think a clean (i.e fast) version of kde would be better
[10:14] <crazy_penguin> but on dapper?
[10:14] <junx> besides kubuntu-default-settings not working?
[10:14] <fritsch> raphink: what is written in the readme of the riddell packages, this is the problem
[10:14] <fritsch> junx: fount nothing else
[10:14] <junx> other than that, it screws up some of my own settings that way
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> crazy_penguin: If you are not bothered about the kubuntu customisations then they are fine
[10:14] <fritsch> junx: yes, because you had kubuntu-default stuff before
[10:15] <junx> when I went to system settings -> appearance, it crashed (SEGV IIRC)
[10:15] <raphink> no, what's the problem with kubuntu-default-settings junx?
[10:15] <junx> it doesn't apply at all
[10:15] <raphink> what do you get?
[10:15] <fritsch> raphink: you can preview it in style dialog, but its not used
[10:15] <junx> so you get a hodge-podge of your own ~/.kde/share/ stuff with the default KDE settings, and it's all messed up
[10:15] <fritsch> raphink: you get a standard kde
[10:15] <spiral> hello
[10:15] <raphink> hmm
[10:16] <raphink> haven't got a dapper station to try it on
[10:16] <fritsch> raphink: i recompiled the default-settings, even compiled the edgy on dapper
[10:16] <DaSkreech> spiral: Yo
[10:16] <fritsch> raphink: no chance
[10:16] <junx> I copied over everything from kubuntu-default-settings/.../share to /usr/share, so that might help for now
[10:16] <crazy_penguin> what is the version of kopete in 3.5.4?
[10:16] <fritsch> raphink: i think some libs are messed up
[10:16] <svivian> how do I keep xscreensaver from killing my mouse cursor? Anyone? Anyone?
[10:16] <fritsch> crazy_penguin: 0.12.1
[10:16] <junx> and since kubuntu-default-settings should theoretically override everything in /usr/share...
[10:16] <crazy_penguin> oh
[10:16] <crazy_penguin> thx
[10:16] <fritsch> junx: no it doesnt
[10:16] <raphink> fritsch: but the package does install? oor what does it say?
[10:16] <fritsch> raphink: everything installs cleanly
[10:17] <raphink> ah right
[10:17] <fritsch> raphink: but you cannot use the "crystal" style, etc.
[10:17] <uniq> junx: in stead of copying over stuff you can set $KDEDIRS to where the settings are.. I think that could help you.. You can try. I don't have dapper here.
[10:17] <raphink> it must be the /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings patch that doesn't apply for some reason
[10:17] <junx> is edgy usable now?
[10:17] <junx> i.e. no more locale errors
[10:17] <uniq> fritsch: can you try that too? set KDEDIRS to where the kubuntu-default-settings are?
[10:17] <raphink> junx: no it's not
[10:17] <fritsch> raphink: for sure? kde-default-settings package did not change in 3.5.4
[10:17] <fritsch> raphink: and edgy is working
[10:17] <raphink> sure fritsch but this patch is not in kubuntu-default-settings
[10:18] <raphink> fritsch: edgy might break anytime since it's actively developer
[10:18] <raphink> developed
[10:18] <raphink> so I don't advise anyone to use it
[10:18] <fritsch> raphink: i use now the default dapper one
[10:18] <fritsch> raphink: had no luck with both
[10:18] <gnagno> I have a problem with apt-get update, it stops on waiting for headers 99% and never ends... can someone please help me?
[10:20] <pointwood> any sound guru's around?
[10:20] <Blissex> gnagno: probably some mirror is down...
[10:20] <jeremia> hi!
[10:22] <jeremia> i had problems whith glut and remarked, that i have glut and freeglut(-dev) isntalled, so i wanted to remove glut. i had forgotten that many packets depend on glut (also importatn-ones). is it possible to check, which programs had been removed or are marked to be removed?
[10:22] <Firetech> gnagno: almost same here, although it does end, have patience...
[10:22] <gnagno> thanks :)
[10:23] <DaSkreech> pointwood: Guess not what's the question?
[10:23] <Firetech> yay, I found a good way to0 downgrade 3.5.4 to 3.5.3 directly
[10:23] <Firetech> easy one too :)
[10:24] <h3sp4wn> using -t ?
[10:24] <pointwood> DaSkreech: well, I got no sound, I tried following this problem guide: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[10:24] <Firetech> h3sp4wn: -t?
[10:25] <pointwood> DaSkreech: I upgraded from breezy the other day and I have had sound before, but I get absolutely nothing now
[10:26] <DaSkreech> pointwood: I take it you went through the walkthrough
[10:26] <h3sp4wn> Firetech: You can use it to specify different repos to install from (I suppose sudo aptitude purge kde~i and then put it all back would work also)
[10:26] <pointwood> DaSkreech: yes
[10:26] <bl3ssing> hello everyone. What was that page with upgrading from kubuntu 5.10 to 6.?
[10:27] <DaSkreech> Where did it fail for you?
[10:27] <bl3ssing> !kubuntu upgrade
[10:27] <ubotu> I know nothing about kubuntu upgrade - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:27] <bl3ssing> !ubuntu upgrade
[10:27] <ubotu> I know nothing about ubuntu upgrade - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:27] <pointwood> DaSkreech: that's the problem, according to that guide, it should work
[10:27] <DaSkreech> !upgrade
[10:27] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[10:27] <Hawkwind> uniq: So before the sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade is when we need to remove the source from the sources.list ?
[10:27] <KaiHanari> just a sec bl3ssing
[10:27] <DaSkreech> pointwood: And you have the speakers on?
[10:27] <Firetech> h3sp4wn: I added a pin priority for kubuntu.org and changed the 354 repo back to 353
[10:28] <KaiHanari> nvm,
[10:28] <bl3ssing> lol KaiHanari
[10:28] <bl3ssing> :)
[10:28] <pointwood> DaSkreech: yes, I have rebooted into windows and tested that I did in fact have sound...
[10:28] <Firetech> then dist-upgrade wants to downgrade
[10:28] <uniq> Hawkwind: after the downgrade dist-upgrade is done.
[10:28] <lmosher> Is it possible to use apt-get --build to install from source, but apply a patch first?
[10:28] <h3sp4wn> Firetech: 1001 is usually high enough for it to force a downgrade - yes that is another way
[10:28] <DaSkreech> pointwood: You made sure it wasn't just turned down or muted?
[10:28] <DaSkreech> I nlinux
[10:29] <Hawkwind> uniq: Ah ok.  So after that apt-get -u dist-upgrade, remove the source, then apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[10:30] <junx> does anyone here keep their /etc under version control?
[10:30] <pointwood> DaSkreech: I think so :) I turned on everything in alsamixer
[10:30] <rainbow> Hi!
[10:30] <h3sp4wn> lmosher: use dpkg-buildpackage to build it (dpatch-edit-patch is the easiest way to add patches to existing source)
[10:30] <uniq> Hawkwind: edit /etc/apt/preferences;dist-upgrade(downgrade);remove /etc/apt/preferences;remove repo from sources.list;dist-upgrade to make sure you have the newest version of everything.
[10:30] <bl3ssing> I tried this command for upgrading from kub.5 to 6, and ... here's the pb. kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:30] <bl3ssing> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:30] <bl3ssing> why that?
[10:30] <rainbow>  Hello I am facing aproblem installing my Nvidia drive
[10:30] <pointwood> hrm....wait, I just tried playing some music with mplayer and it says this:
[10:30] <pointwood> Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
[10:30] <pointwood> Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.
[10:30] <bl3ssing> kdesu: cannot connect to X server
[10:31] <rainbow> could somebody chat with me private
[10:31] <bl3ssing> kdesu: cannot connect to X server ->> what that means?
[10:31] <h3sp4wn> pointwood: do it from /etc/sysctl.conf (there are some examples there)
[10:31] <crimsun> pointwood: that's not normally an issue for audio. For video, perhaps.
[10:31] <uniq> bl3ssing: in konsole run this command: 'xhost local:'
[10:31] <bl3ssing> there's nobody who'll do that rainbow... that is why we have this channel, to talk all together. No SECRETS! :D
[10:32] <lmosher> h3sp4wn, dpkg-buildpackage uses a .deb? Or do i run that from the source folder?
[10:32] <bl3ssing> uniq, xhost local
[10:32] <bl3ssing> xhost:  unable to open display ""
[10:32] <h3sp4wn> lmosher: use apt-get source
[10:32] <uniq> bl3ssing: not with sudo. isn't KDE/X running?
[10:32] <rainbow> help!
[10:32] <pointwood> h3sp4wn: so I just add that line there?
[10:33] <pointwood> crimsun: k
[10:33] <h3sp4wn> pointwood: Look at the syntax of the existing lines in that file and put it in in the same way
[10:33] <bl3ssing> uniq, DONE! No sudo Anymore (I'm the Big MASTER!) :d
[10:34] <DaSkreech> !nvidia > rainbow
[10:34] <lmosher> h3sp4wn, Ok.. I'm trying to install wine and I need to apply a patch.. I've already run (well it's running) apt-get build-dep wine.  Now if I run apt-get source wine it will d/l the source.
[10:34] <h3sp4wn> lmosher: Are you sure the patch is not already in the budgetdedicated version of wine
[10:34] <uniq> bl3ssing: sure, congrats :)
[10:35] <lmosher> h3sp4wn, Pretty sure, the info is from winehq website, I'll check the date...
[10:35] <pointwood> hrm...
[10:35] <h3sp4wn> lmosher: is it in wine 0.9.18 ?
[10:36] <h3sp4wn> lmosher: You probably want to use apt-get source wine from budget-dedicated (the wine in dapper is comparatively ancient)
[10:36] <DaSkreech> rainbow: Read that :)
[10:36] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Open source is the saddest thign on earth
[10:36] <Hawkwind> uniq: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/16  <~~Can you look at that and verify it's correct.  I feel I've done something wrong
[10:38] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: In some cases - I sometimes wish I was still putting on squat parties and pressing techno records
[10:38] <lmosher> h3sp4wn, Since the wine install is fairly simple, I'll install the budgetdedicatd binary wine first and see if my program runs. If it doesn't I'll uninstall and build the source w/ the patch. It'll only take 3 minutes to check w/ the binary version vs. an hr for wine to compile :P
[10:38] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: You can. Just apt-get install jack ;-)
[10:38] <pointwood> h3sp4wn: it doesn't really have any lines that compares to that...: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19494
[10:38] <uniq> Hawkwind: you can't use kubuntu.org on both.
[10:39] <uniq> Hawkwind: that is a contradiction.
[10:39] <Hawkwind> uniq: Ok, so how can I fix it to downgrade back to 3.5.3 ?
[10:39] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: You know full well jackd doesn't work properly with dapper (I am on edgy but I don't know whether I can be bothered going thru the rigmor of trying to get it to work properly again)
[10:40] <crimsun> um, that's a bit of a stretch.
[10:40] <bl3ssing> and .. who said that it's really complicated to upgrade from Kubuntu 5.10 to Kubuntu 6.0.6? :D (Now I can wipe my sweat of my FACE [long way to go ...! but already DONE! Thanks to my GOD who shall be praised for everything, including for this Kubuntu 6.0.6] ).
[10:40] <crimsun> jackd works quite well in Dapper. A more precise manner of stating it is "jackd may not work well out of the box in Dapper."
[10:41] <bl3ssing> how can I check what's the capacity of my hdd (I mean ... the linux partitions (ext3, ext2 and swap)?
[10:41] <Hawkwind> bl3ssing: df -h
[10:41] <Firetech> or kdf :P
[10:41] <uniq> Hawkwind: well.. can't think of any fast and easy way to do it right now.. i can check if you want.
[10:42] <h3sp4wn> crimsun: I can't understand why with an identical configuration I get 40ms latency on dapper but 2/3ms latency under debian unstable
[10:42] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: "identical configuration" is likely imprecise unless you really mean that you use the same kernel, same libc, and same packages.
[10:42] <crazy_penguin> Hawkind: sorry for intruding. do you have problems with kde 3.5.4?
[10:42] <bl3ssing> nooooo, Hawkwind, I mean ... a more user-friendly way (Can't type anything since my upgrading's still running)!
[10:43] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: I'm apologize for this but I can't resist
[10:43] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: You don't know jack!!
[10:43] <pointwood> h3sp4wn: did you see my pastebin?
[10:43] <Hawkwind> bl3ssing: Open another terminal, and type: df -h
[10:43] <bl3ssing> lol
[10:43] <bl3ssing> Done Hawkwind ...
[10:43] <Firetech> bl3ssing: try kdf
[10:43] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Admittedly
[10:43] <Hawkwind> uniq: I'd like to go back to 3.5.3 since konqueror has issues in 3.5.4 when using it outside of Konqueror(in another wm)
[10:43] <bl3ssing> was thinking about htat ... and I had this courage to ... I thought I thaw a PuddyCAT! I thaw, I thaw a puddykat! :DDDDD
[10:44] <bl3ssing> Firetech, the kdf command doesn't exist (or ...?)
[10:44] <uniq> Hawkwind: you can change to one of the mirrors for one of the versions, in sources.list. And then for example if you change to download.kde.org for 3.5.3, pin download.kde.org to 1001, and kubuntu.org to -100
[10:44] <bl3ssing> Hawkwind, already done about my partitions. :) thanks in advance ...
[10:45] <Firetech> bl3ssing: it's a kde gui app with features like df, but it's not installed by default (it's in the repos though)
[10:45] <uniq> Hawkwind: that would require a apt-get update after the change in sources.list.
[10:46] <bl3ssing> cool Firetech ... I'll think about it. :)
[10:46] <Hawkwind> uniq: Heh, that totally confused me.  Trying to decipher that now
[10:46] <Firetech> Hawkwind: there is an easy way to downgrade 3.5.3 otherwise
[10:46] <Firetech> I just found it ;)
[10:46] <blackflag> hello all :)
[10:47] <blackflag> I cant start my screensaver
[10:47] <Hawkwind> Firetech: That would be how ?
[10:47] <blackflag> can someone help?
[10:47] <Firetech> Hawkwind: 2 sec
[10:48] <h3sp4wn> crimsun: Same kernel (Identical configuration i.e just copied .config across) but built against the current toolchains of the respective distros. (This was a few months ago) the configuration of jackd was the same on both (I tried using both rlimits-aware pam and realtime-lsm) Is getting jackd working easily any type of priority for edgy ?
[10:49] <ricardo> does anybody know any other cool site like deviantart??
[10:49] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: no one spec'd it, so I doubt it.
[10:50] <crimsun> right one up, I'll be happy to look
[10:50] <crimsun> argh
[10:50] <crimsun> write
[10:50] <Firetech> Hawkwind: read the instructions on http://pastebin.ca/112317
[10:51] <h3sp4wn> pointwood: Thats just for putting a value into /proc the examples are exactly the same way as you need to do it
[10:53] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Doing it now.  I'll let you know how it goes
[10:53] <uniq> Hawkwind: that will work.
[10:54] <DaSkreech> ricardo: kde-look.org? :)
[10:54] <pointwood> h3sp4wn: okay, so I should add something like "proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq=1024" to that file?
[10:54] <Hawkwind> uniq: Thanks.  I'm going to document this on my http://LinuxForDummies.org/ forums for others that want to know :)
[10:54] <Firetech> Hawkwind: I'm in the process myself, it seems to work (installing the downloaded packages atm.). You might want to remove the "/etc/apt/preferences" file afterwards.
[10:54] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Yeah I was going to ask about removing the preferences file
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> pointwood: sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq=1024 (that should be ok)
[10:55] <mikearthur> sorry, why are some packages -ubuntu1 and some -ubuntu2?
[10:56] <thygrrr> Recently (maybe linked to use of ktorrent?) I can't seem to reliably shut down my computer using the K Menu entry. It either takes very long (it just closes all windows and waits), or it doesn't shut down at all. sudo shutdown -r now works fine.
[10:56] <_pulsar> Hi! Does anyone know how to work around that kubuntu-default-settings bug in 3.5.4 or how to downgrade to 3.5.3?
[10:56] <DaSkreech> mikearthur: I think that has to do with when they were built
[10:57] <Firetech> mikearthur: some packages have needed to be repackaged maybe?
[10:57] <mikearthur> why does ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.17.7-ubuntu1 depends on ndiswrapper-utils (>= 1.8-1)?
[10:57] <ricardo> DaSkreech: thx!
[10:57] <mikearthur> I've just compiled from ndiswrapper sources, and for no apparent reason, its depending on a higher version of ndiswrapper-utils
[10:58] <mikearthur> any ideas?
[10:58] <pointwood> h3sp4wn: okay, I assume a reboot will be neccesary to test that then?
[11:00] <Hawkwind> uniq: Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:00] <Hawkwind>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.5.3-0ubuntu0.2_i386.deb
[11:00] <Hawkwind> uniq: I get that error at the end of this downgrade :(
[11:01] <wolfmanz> how many callers does skype support at one time anyone know?
[11:02] <Firetech> wolfmanz: I don't know if skype for linux supports conference calls...
[11:03] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Know anything about how to fix that error above ?
[11:03] <Firetech> Hawkwind: I got the same, just run sudo apt-get install -f
[11:04] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Ahhh, seems to be working :)
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> pointwood: you can just use sudo sysctl value=number for now
[11:05] <mikearthur> any ideas why ndiswrapper-source-1.8 depends on ndiswrapper-utils-1.8-1, which aren't available?
[11:06] <Firetech> Hawkwind: new version: http://pastebin.ca/112333
[11:07] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Kewl.  I'll definitely put all of this on my forums here in a bit
[11:08] <Firetech> Hawkwind: I'll update the info if I have to do anything more later, I'll keep you noticed
[11:08] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Many thanks!
[11:09] <Firetech> seems to be working fine, though
[11:10] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Yeah same here
[11:13] <Hotwire> how can i stop x so i'm just in a console? i'm using kdm as my login manager
[11:14] <Hawkwind> Hotwire: killall kdm or killall x or sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[11:15] <Hotwire> thanks :)
[11:15] <zan> hi! can someone please tell me from where to install the latest version of krusader (not the beta one)... in the repositories (all enabled) i find only the 1.60.1 one...
[11:16] <zan> !krusader
[11:16] <ubotu> I know nothing about krusader - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:16] <Firetech> Hawkwind: seems that process is correct, I'm gonna restart KDE to test ;)
[11:16] <Firetech> brb
[11:20] <youth-now> hi
[11:20] <_pulsar> Can I force apt-get to use *only* the sources supplied in sources.list and downgrade packages if neccessary? If so, how?
[11:20] <lars_> youth-now: hi :)
[11:20] <macconline> hi... k3b = windows & linux ??
[11:21] <Firetech> Hawkwind: back in KDE 3.5.3, seems to have downgraded successfully (I'm doing it on my laptop too, to check the process)
[11:21] <youth-now> what is this
[11:22] <bytefoo> anyone know why i can't apply any styles to amarok?
[11:22] <Firetech> _pulsar: why would you need that, to downgrade KDE 3.5.4?
[11:22] <youth-now> what is ubuntu
[11:22] <Firetech> youth-now: a linux distribution
[11:22] <youth-now> ok
[11:22] <youth-now> bye
[11:23] <_pulsar> Firetech: Well, there's an ugly bug in 3.5.4 preventing Kubuntu default settings from being applied and therefore ruining my whole KDE installation.
[11:23] <zan> hi! can someone please tell me from where to install the latest version of krusader (not the beta one)... in the repositories (all enabled) i find only the 1.60.1 one...
[11:23] <lars_> Kubuntu on a Cinet HomeBook 945PM do not work... Network card wireless and cable + some controllers was unknown... M;S lockdown!?
[11:23] <Hawkwind> Firetech: I've put the info here incase you want to point people to it in the future:  http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=609.0
[11:23] <Firetech> _pulsar: I know, I just downgraded myself ;)
[11:23] <Firetech> _pulsar: check Hawkwind's link there
[11:24] <Firetech> Hawkwind: you don't need to rm -rf /etc/apt/preferences... -f will do... (-r is for removing directories...)
[11:25] <Firetech> I.E. rm -f
[11:25] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Heh, yeah.  Habit I guess.  Let me edit that
[11:25] <_pulsar> Hawkwind: Oh man, thanks a lot! That helped!
[11:25] <kana> does kopete support voice chat?
[11:25] <Firetech> I've even aliased rm to rm -i to be sure (I've done silly things with rm before...
[11:26] <Hawkwind> _pulsar: No problem.  Thaks to Firetech for the info too :)
[11:26] <_pulsar> Thanks to both of you. :()
[11:26] <_pulsar> -(
[11:26] <Firetech> no problem, glad to help
[11:28] <crazy_penguin> good night all! sleep well! :)
[11:29] <Hawkwind> Firetech: We should get an op to add that URL and some info about kde downgrade to the bot :)
[11:29] <Firetech> yeah
[11:30] <Hawkwind> crimsun: You still around ?
[11:30] <crimsun> not really, I'm amidst a conf call.
[11:30] <crimsun> ping me in 20 minutes.
[11:30] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Ah ok.  Let me know when you're available
[11:31] <Hawkwind> I could have done !ops, but that would be a bit harsh :P
[11:33] <zan> does krusader have the brief view implemented yet?
[11:33] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: what do you need?
[11:35] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Firetech and I have put a how-to together for downgrading KDE and would like for the info to be added to the bot if possible
[11:35] <gnomefreak> link?
[11:35] <Hawkwind> http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=609.0
[11:35] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: That's on my forums there
[11:35] <gnomefreak> ok brb gonna look
[11:36] <vitor> Hi. Has anyone already had trouble using a laptop with an external CRT? The screen in the CRT is cut off at the left side. Anyone know how to fix this?
[11:36] <fritsch> Hawkwind: kde seems to be fixed right now
[11:36] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: can you change vi to something more user friendly?
[11:37] <kana>  linuxfordummies would have preffered linuxfornewusers :)
[11:37] <gnomefreak> vi is not real new user friendly ;)
[11:37] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Sure, what would you prefer ?
[11:38] <gnomefreak> since using kde i would go with kate (seems to be user friendly)
[11:40] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Edited
[11:40] <gnomefreak> ok im just thinking now give me a few ill let you know
[11:41] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Many thanks
[11:41] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: kdesu kate /etc/apt/preferences ????
[11:42] <markrian> So KDE 3.5.4 is broken in dapper... are there any more details as to what is broken?
[11:42] <Hawkwind> TheGateKeeper: Yeah, I changed that
[11:42] <Hawkwind> markrian: It's the kde-default-settings
[11:43] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: thanx nice job :-)
[11:44] <Hawkwind> TheGateKeeper: No problem
[11:44] <DaSkreech> markrian: Or kdelibs whichever you want to say
[11:45] <markrian> Will KDE 3.5.4 packages ever be put up onto Kubuntu.org then, or not?
[11:45] <markrian> (for dapper)
[11:45] <gnomefreak> !kubuntu
[11:45] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment. For more info see http://kubuntu.org ; to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. To downgrade your version of kubuntu to an older version see: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=609.0
[11:45] <dr_willis> Not sure if they will get included in dapper.. thats just now how theubuntu gys normally do things.
[11:45] <gnomefreak> markrian: when they are a bit more stable
[11:46] <gnomefreak> dr_willis: no
[11:46] <dr_willis> every 6 mo - they have a HUGE mega-release with all the updates.. then 6 mo later the next release
[11:46] <gnomefreak> but thats kind of wierd as testing on dapper is going on right now
[11:46] <dr_willis> gnomefreak,  if you say so.. they may be  changeing their minds a bit - since edgy is to be such a huge update
[11:46] <dr_willis> I will be suprised if edgy is ready in 6 mo.
[11:46] <markrian> I ask simply because I remember 3.5.3 packages appearing incredibly quickly for dapper on kubuntu.org
[11:47] <TheGateKeeper> does anyone know if the new package manager will have role back facility (just out of curiosity)?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> dr_willis: i think they lowered the (huge) a bit due to lack of time
[11:47] <dr_willis> but from 5.3 to 5.4 - how big a change is that really.
[11:47] <dr_willis> :)
[11:47] <markrian> I suppose
[11:47] <kosha> hi... anybody here that can help me haveing ubuntu read and/or write ntfs sata disks ?
[11:48] <TheGateKeeper> kosha: there are howto's on the ubuntu forums
[11:48] <Hawkwind> Firetech: You see that gnomefreak added it to the !kubuntu fact for us :)
[11:48] <zan> please tell me how do i enable the root account???
[11:49] <dr_willis> heh - :)
[11:49] <gnomefreak> !root > zan
[11:49] <vitor> TheGateKeeper: are there any how-tos on LCD and CRT display? One that particularly addresses widescreen problems?
[11:49] <Hawkwind> zan: sudo passwd if you really must
[11:49] <dr_willis> learn to use sudo is the proper way to use root access
[11:49] <gnomefreak> zan: sudo -i
[11:49] <kosha> thx gatekeeper
[11:50] <zan> i know how to use sudo, but i also want an oldstyle root account... please! :D
[11:50] <TheGateKeeper> vitor: sorry don't know :-(
[11:50] <dom> zan, what for?
[11:50] <dr_willis> or zan  its an iq test of your linux knowledge. :P
[11:50] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: keep me informed on how e17 is on dapper (i am using it on edgy atm)
[11:50] <TheGateKeeper> zan: sudo su effectively gives you that
[11:51] <zan> krusader crashes when i start it in root-mode from the shortcut... in normal mode it runs smoothly...
[11:51] <dr_willis> sudo krusader
[11:52] <dr_willis> or ksudo krusader (i think)
[11:52] <gnomefreak> kdesu
[11:52] <dr_willis> Thats kind of scary that t crashes when ran as root..
[11:52] <TheGateKeeper> zan: kdesu krusader
[11:52] <dr_willis> whats the gnome one then? they really need to get their names straightedn out. :P
[11:53] <KaiHanari> how do you list groups in a system?
[11:53] <dr_willis> gksudo? gnomesu?
[11:53] <gnomefreak> gksudo
[11:53] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I've been using it since day one, except I use it from CVS.  I've currently got about 10 users using it from my repo I made last night for Dapper and no one has complained of anything or a breakage
[11:53] <dr_willis> heh.   Yea - the names picked for a lot of progrms... need to be rethought.
[11:53] <gnomefreak> yeah like libsexy liboobs :(
[11:54] <Hawkwind> Like pornview
[11:54] <Hawkwind> Heh
[11:54] <Hawkwind> That is such a great image viewer, yet people turn away from it due to the name
[11:54] <dom> KaiHanari, basic groups are just in /etc/group.  you can see them all there
[11:54] <dr_willis> yep.
[11:54] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: how does your e17 differ from the standard repos?
[11:54] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: ok lets give a while. i need it to be very well tested before i can get it on easysource ;)
[11:54] <zan> i can't find ksudo
[11:54] <Hawkwind> TheGateKeeper: We will be building the E17 debs atleast once a week and they are built directly from CVS
[11:55] <Firetech> zan: it's kdesu
[11:55] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: No problem at all :)
[11:55] <zan> oh
[11:55] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: cool :-)
[11:55] <dr_willis> we need a gnome/kde naming standard :)
[11:55] <Firetech> dr_willis: uhm, yes
[11:55] <larson9999> speaking of image viewers i like, does kuickview work with dapper yet?
[11:56] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: Name everythign with a K!! :)
[11:56] <dr_willis> kde/gno :P
[11:56] <Firetech> dr_willis: an /etc/alternatives  symlink called guisudo would be fine too ;)
[11:56] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I've posted about the repo on the Ubuntu and Kubuntu forums hoping to get many users to use it and give feedback
[11:56] <dr_willis> Then again even within kde and gnome they use odd names in many ways
[11:56] <gnomefreak> ok
[11:57] <david__> :)
[11:57] <larson9999> maybe there should be a program name registry like there is for ip addresses
[11:57] <gnomefreak> ill keep you informed of any issues with it and edgy
[11:59] <dknet> bonjour tlm
[11:59] <kana> !skype
[11:59] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[11:59] <rr72> WTF why is ubuntu wine out of date?
[12:00] <rr72> !wine
[12:00] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:00] <Hawkwind> rr72: How is it out of date ?
[12:01] <Hawkwind> rr72: # Bleeding edge wine packages (packages)
[12:01] <Hawkwind> deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[12:01] <Philip5> TheGateKeeper: btw, hi there :)
[12:02] <rr72> poeple were yelling at me cause wine is out of date? WWTF its not my fault
[12:02] <TheGateKeeper> hiya Philip5 :-)
[12:02] <zan> what do the % params stand for in the krusader shortcut: "krusader -caption "%c" %i %m"?
[12:02] <Philip5> TheGateKeeper: have you been away for a couple of days? haven't noticed you
[12:03] <TheGateKeeper> Philip5: no not really, depends how active things are in here, sometimes I go into #ubuntu
[12:03] <Philip5> TheGateKeeper: traitor... ;)
[12:04] <TheGateKeeper> Philip5: thanx :-)
[12:04] <Philip5> TheGateKeeper: lol
[12:04] <markrian> zan: that's a very good question, I see them all over the place and have no idea
[12:04] <LeeJunFan> hrm, concerning ATI - should I ever expect good driver support from a company who's webpage has never really been linux friendly? :p
[12:05] <TheGateKeeper> Philip5: soon be time for me to pop off to the land of nod
[12:05] <zan> markrian: :(... i can run krusader without them, but i became very curious... >:)
[12:05] <TheGateKeeper> Philip5: you ok then?
[12:06] <Philip5> TheGateKeeper: yes... just been busy with compiling stuff
[12:06] <LeeJunFan> I thought I read somewhere that the new ATI drivers were on ATI's page in a deb pkg for ubuntu - I don't see them.