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| Hobbsee | pitti: cool | 12:11 |
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| dholbach | good night guys | 12:14 |
| Hobbsee | night dholbach | 12:15 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: w.r.t. email, it is possible, if the person actually sees it. and its' easier to keep track of pacakages if you're only uploading a few at a time. | 12:18 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: not trying to keep track of many. | 12:18 |
| gnomefreak | night dholbach | 12:19 |
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| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: i will help out as much as i can with kubuntu (just let me know) | 12:20 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: your bugwork stuff is great :) | 12:20 |
| Hobbsee | means i dont have to do it | 12:20 |
| gnomefreak | ;) | 12:20 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: i have a few you can take if you want them (me and backtraces are not friends today) | 12:20 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: eh. me neither. | 12:21 |
| === gnomefreak really needs to figure out a workaround with ff in kde | ||
| gnomefreak | and thunderbird | 12:22 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: workaround? | 12:22 |
| gnomefreak | fonts | 12:22 |
| gnomefreak | it only shows first few letters of a row | 12:22 |
| lucas | I've a package which just needs a rebuild because of an ABI change. should I mail infinity ? upload a -XXXbuild1 package ? file a bug ? | 12:23 |
| Hobbsee | *shit* | 12:23 |
| === Hobbsee is now really really late! | ||
| gnomefreak | for some reason i can only duplicate it in mozilla engines | 12:23 |
| tritium | get your butt to class, Hobbsee ;) | 12:23 |
| === gnomefreak doesnt code hence the workaround comment | ||
| Hobbsee | heh | 12:24 |
| === Hobbsee wonders what class is even on. | ||
| gnomefreak | math | 12:24 |
| gnomefreak | lol | 12:24 |
| gnomefreak | ok brb let me boot kde and see if i cant find out more info on this before bed | 12:24 |
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| Keybuk | pitti: got a brief question about dhclient, if you have a few moments | 12:26 |
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| pitti | Keybuk: as long as it's not too difficult, sure :) | 12:26 |
| Keybuk | the dhclient hooks are run as root, even though the daemon is de-rooted to run as dhcp, yes? | 12:27 |
| pitti | right, they have to | 12:27 |
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| Keybuk | and there's an apparent, but unconfirmed/debugged bug where sometimes this doesn't happen? | 12:27 |
| pitti | Keybuk: yep, ISTR reading about some 'permission denied' bug | 12:28 |
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| pitti | Keybuk: most of them were killed with a fix in dapper | 12:28 |
| pitti | Keybuk: but it's entirely possible that some corner case is still present | 12:28 |
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| Keybuk | okies | 12:29 |
| Keybuk | then dhcdbd doesn't need permission for the dhcp user to talk to it | 12:29 |
| pitti | 'it' being the daemon or the script? | 12:30 |
| LaserJock | mdz: I think perhaps doko uploaded a broken matplolib to -updates universe, is it better to leave it for him or upload a fixed package? | 12:30 |
| Keybuk | pitti: dhcdbd dcaemon | 12:30 |
| pitti | ah | 12:30 |
| pitti | Keybuk: no, I do not see a reason why dhclient should talk to dhcdbd | 12:31 |
| gnomefreak | LaserJock: someone in #ubuntu is asking about that package | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | gnomefreak: oh really? | 12:32 |
| gnomefreak | yeah | 12:32 |
| gnomefreak | tell him its being worked on? | 12:33 |
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| Riddell | is there a vari | 01:04 |
| Riddell | is there a variable with the name of the source package I can use in debian/rules? | 01:04 |
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| doko | Laser_away: don't ping and start talking about the topic 4h later ... :-( if you do have a fix for a problem, please file a bug report (if there isn't one already) and attach a patch | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | doko: sorry | 01:08 |
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| LaserJock | doko: debdiff at malone bug #54821, thanks | 01:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54821 in matplotlib "python-matplotlib won't install" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54821 | 01:53 |
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| Riddell | infinity: libassuan-dev doesn't seem to have been moved to main | 02:32 |
| Riddell | although the source package has | 02:32 |
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| Keybuk | Riddell: doesn't look as though anyone has explicitly promoted it | 02:39 |
| Keybuk | the source is probably "wrong" | 02:39 |
| Keybuk | fixed | 02:41 |
| gnomefreak | did anything take the place of pd-externals? | 02:43 |
| TheMuso | gnomefreak: No. | 02:43 |
| bddebian | Howdy | 02:44 |
| TheMuso | gnomefreak: Did you read the bug? | 02:44 |
| floam | is openoffice all borken for anyone else? | 02:44 |
| floam | (I've got some dependency hell going on in edgy) | 02:44 |
| gnomefreak | TheMuso: yes and i would like to close it | 02:44 |
| gnomefreak | TheMuso: thats why im asking | 02:44 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 02:44 |
| gnomefreak | floam: it will be fixed soon | 02:45 |
| gnomefreak | soon = not today give it a few days | 02:45 |
| floam | gnomefreak: I don't mind it being broke, I just worry when I think I could be the only one | 02:46 |
| gnomefreak | floam: everyone had it broke you have to remove every OOo package and reinstall openoffice.org (iirc) | 02:47 |
| gnomefreak | TheMuso: i went ahead and closed it due to you gave him all info he wanted (i miss read the last line about the CVS) | 02:48 |
| TheMuso | Ok. | 02:48 |
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| floam | gnomefreak: ah removing it all at the same time did seem to cure it | 02:51 |
| bddebian | Thanks Keybuk | 02:54 |
| Keybuk | :) | 02:56 |
| Keybuk | you can tell I'm avoiding work | 02:56 |
| bddebian | I can? | 02:57 |
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| Keybuk | that's the best thing about being on the ubuntu-archive team; you have hours of entirely legitimate work that can be done instead of whatever it was you were supposed to be doing and are procrastinating about | 02:57 |
| zul | oh hey Keybuk | 02:58 |
| bddebian | Ah, I see. And here I was feeling bad about all the sync requests | 02:58 |
| Keybuk | bddebian: *shrug* provided they're in alphabetical order, I don't mind ;) | 02:58 |
| bddebian | Heh | 02:58 |
| Keybuk | (makes it easier to cut and paste the output into the bug report) | 02:58 |
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| zul | Keybuk: xen adds a udev rule is it ok to call it 92-xen-backend.rules? | 03:10 |
| crimsun | I'd choose 95- if it loads modules. | 03:11 |
| bluefoxicy | has anyone figured out who's mess the double-swap thing is or what happens if you enter that second swap device? | 03:11 |
| Keybuk | zul: what does the rule do? | 03:11 |
| zul | it loads the bridges needed for networking and the block devices needed | 03:11 |
| Keybuk | bluefoxicy: "double swap thing" ? | 03:12 |
| Keybuk | zul: loads modules? then 95 | 03:12 |
| bluefoxicy | Keybuk: swapon -a | 03:12 |
| bluefoxicy | Keybuk: err, sorry. swapon -s | 03:12 |
| zul | Keybuk: ok | 03:12 |
| Keybuk | bluefoxicy: ? | 03:12 |
| Keybuk | bluefoxicy: bug#? | 03:12 |
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| bluefoxicy | Keybuk: whatever your swap device is, i'ts /dev/<whatever> and /dev/evms/<whatever> that get loaded now due to the UUID thing in fstab bug #54753 | 03:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54753 in Ubuntu "Edgy double-adds swap" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54753 | 03:13 |
| Keybuk | bluefoxicy: oh yeah | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | bluefoxicy: what was the fix for that? or just wait? | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | hey Keybuk | 03:13 |
| Keybuk | evms is the sux0r | 03:14 |
| bluefoxicy | Keybuk: as far as I know, nobody has yet been brave enough to get Linux to start writing into the second swap device; I would imagine it'd be about the computer equivalent of sliding a lit M80 up your rectum | 03:14 |
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| Keybuk | bluefoxicy: with or without lubricant? | 03:14 |
| zul | mmm...bottom | 03:15 |
| === jdub wonders if bug #1 is special cased in launchpad ;) | ||
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 1 in ubuntu-desktop "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 | 03:15 |
| bluefoxicy | Keybuk: mmm... I don't think it makes much of a difference when the fuse burns down. | 03:15 |
| zul | jdub: FYI http://70.29.57.2/ubuntu/xen.png | 03:15 |
| Keybuk | bluefoxicy: it's obvious who broke it | 03:15 |
| Keybuk | just not obvious who has the skillz to fix it | 03:16 |
| === bddebian gives Keybuk some more "non-work" | ||
| bluefoxicy | Keybuk: well, there are multiple theories over here. | 03:16 |
| bluefoxicy | Keybuk: 1) whoever converted fstab should have tested this first | 03:16 |
| Keybuk | there are? who? | 03:16 |
| bluefoxicy | Keybuk: 2) Removing evms fixes it, maybe this is a mount problem. | 03:16 |
| tseng | sigh | 03:16 |
| Keybuk | person who did the fstab conversion explicitly didn't test evms, lvm, raid, etc. and said as much | 03:16 |
| bluefoxicy | Keybuk: 3) the KERNEL should probably figure out that these are the same device and not let us doi t. | 03:16 |
| jdub | zul: oh, btw, i booted the xen kernel this morning | 03:16 |
| zul | and? | 03:16 |
| === bddebian pokes tseng | ||
| Keybuk | because person who did the fstab conversion knows fuck all about them and doesn't care for them either | 03:17 |
| === tseng pokes bluefoxicy | ||
| tseng | er.. bddebian | 03:17 |
| Keybuk | #2 is true, evms is not installed in new edgy installs anyway | 03:17 |
| bluefoxicy | Keybuk: nods. they were in Breezy or Dapper, so upgrades are likely to see this. | 03:17 |
| jdub | zul: is there an ubuntu-xen channel to chat aobut it in? or ubuntu-kernel? | 03:17 |
| Keybuk | but as you say, the upgrade path needs to cope here | 03:17 |
| zul | ubuntu-kernel works | 03:17 |
| Keybuk | this will probably be fixed at the dev summit | 03:17 |
| Keybuk | when the person who cares about the fabbione filesystems can sit next to the person who did the uuid mounting | 03:18 |
| zul | jdub: however i was just about to run to the store | 03:18 |
| bddebian | Hey if I'm too useless to be a core-dev, can I at least get op in here? ;-) | 03:18 |
| bluefoxicy | Keybuk: yeah. My thinking is somewhere along the line either mount or the kernel needs to say "uh uh no screw that" when you double-add a swap dev. | 03:18 |
| Keybuk | bluefoxicy: *nods* the migration needs to special-case evms and lvm I suspect | 03:18 |
| Keybuk | ^also | 03:18 |
| jdub | zul: ok, ping me when you're around - i was about to grab lunch, too :) | 03:18 |
| bluefoxicy | Hobbsee: btw, uninstall evms (and reboot) or swapoff the second swap device (each time you boot), or both. That'll get rid of it. | 03:19 |
| Keybuk | we've got an open task to patch mount to use libvolume_id instead of libblkid | 03:20 |
| Keybuk | no idea whether that fixes it or not | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | bluefoxicy: oh nice. want to tell me why it's being installed on my system anyway? | 03:20 |
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: was installed by default in dapper, no longer in edgy | 03:20 |
| bluefoxicy | Hobbsee: evms? it was in breezy and/or dapper | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: ah good. i dist-upgraded | 03:20 |
| bluefoxicy | will somebody get itunes working in Ubuntu JESUS | 03:20 |
| bluefoxicy | my mom is screaming about crap on windows again, I just want to stick Linux on there so she can go away >< | 03:21 |
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| Hobbsee | bluefoxicy: i thought people were doing stuff with that. amarok handles it better | 03:21 |
| bluefoxicy | back in a few minutes. | 03:21 |
| bddebian | thanks for the warning | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: mdz if now-ish is a suitable time to discuss what happens with uploads to main, etc, that's cool here. | 03:28 |
| === Hobbsee wont be going home till she's feeling insane. it's not worth it. | ||
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| zul | jdub: ping im back | 03:35 |
| bluefoxicy | tseng: stop poking meeeeeeeeee </warcraft> | 03:39 |
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| infinity | Riddell: Sorry about that. I did a source+binary promotion, and soyuz appears to not believe that that binary belongs to that source... | 04:07 |
| Keybuk | infinity: you forgot to move it on the queue page too then <g> | 04:08 |
| === Hobbsee wonders what that was about. | ||
| infinity | Keybuk: It was 3am, give me a break. :) | 04:08 |
| infinity | Keybuk: At any rate, the soyuz bug is clearly still there. Bah. | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | infinity: fix it. even at 3am :P | 04:09 |
| robertj | Can we get edgy+1 as a spec target on launchpad? | 04:19 |
| Hobbsee | robertj: probably ask that in #launchpad | 04:19 |
| robertj | I thought about that, just though it was probably more a policy question | 04:19 |
| robertj | but if noone feels strongly, I'll file a bug | 04:20 |
| robertj | Bug #54869 | 04:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54869 in Ubuntu "edgy+1 needed as a release target for spec drafting" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54869 | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | robertj: package effected for that should be launchpad | 04:25 |
| === Hobbsee fixes is | ||
| Hobbsee | *it | 04:25 |
| infinity | s/launchpad/blueprint/ | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | oh. wait. i assigned it wrong. i thought you could assign things to launchpad | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh... | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | infinity: who renamed that so unintuitively? :P | 04:27 |
| infinity | blueprint is the name of the spec tracker. | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | right | 04:27 |
| infinity | "launchpad" isn't a product at all, just a service that ties them all together. | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | news to me. | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | yep, true | 04:27 |
| infinity | blueprint, soyuz, malone, etc. | 04:27 |
| Keybuk | robertj: that would be an incorrect bug ... we don't use the spec targets until they have been approved | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | infinity: one problem anyway. there's no way to assign anything to blueprint | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | and specs for edgy+1 wont be approved until the edgy+1 development summit | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | which happens after edgy+1 has opened | 04:28 |
| robertj | ah | 04:29 |
| infinity | Hobbsee: Because it's not an ubuntu package. You need to add a new task for the product. | 04:29 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 04:29 |
| infinity | Hobbsee: Of course, as Keybuk mentions, it's probably pointless anyway. | 04:29 |
| Hobbsee | well, yeah, but it's useful to know. | 04:29 |
| Keybuk | I think the blueprint targets are also just the list of releases for the distro | 04:29 |
| infinity | Reassigning a bug from a package to a product is less than intuitive, yes. | 04:30 |
| Keybuk | and there's no way to open a edgy+1 release without closing edgy | 04:30 |
| infinity | Add new task, reject original task. | 04:30 |
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| infinity | Keybuk: That's not true, we can have multiple open dists at the same time. Of course, we don't WANT that. | 04:30 |
| Keybuk | infinity: right | 04:31 |
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| jdub | zul: pong | 04:41 |
| zul | jdub: i was just about to head to bed but i can stay for a bit longer | 04:42 |
| jdub | :) | 04:42 |
| jdub | won't keep you long | 04:42 |
| zul | ok | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | afternoon jdub | 04:42 |
| jdub | you konw about the TLS-related 5s delay message? | 04:42 |
| zul | yep.. | 04:42 |
| zul | im working jeff to fix it | 04:42 |
| === ajmitch has complained about that one already | ||
| zul | its glibc and xen thingy | 04:43 |
| zul | next..:) | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | next to be fixed is my wireless with that kernel :) | 04:44 |
| jdub | zul: we're definitely not going to have a single linux/xen for edgy? | 04:44 |
| ajmitch | zul: got a git tree of that kernel that you're working from? | 04:44 |
| zul | correct.. | 04:44 |
| zul | ajmitch: working on it this weekend hopefully | 04:45 |
| ajmitch | ok | 04:45 |
| jdub | zul: which is the scarier side of the fence - patching a kernel so it'll run on xen (domU), or patching a kernel so it can be a dom0? | 04:45 |
| ajmitch | then I can try & ram ipw2200 in | 04:45 |
| zul | jdub: its a config option, dom0 kernels can do both but i was thinking of supplying a domU kernel as well | 04:46 |
| jdub | zul: right, but it requires scary patching to make our linux-image dom0 capable? | 04:47 |
| zul | jdub: yes, edgy kernel uses a different alt-smp than that of the xen-kernel | 04:47 |
| zul | and upstream is based off of 2.6.16.13 | 04:47 |
| jdub | ahr | 04:48 |
| jdub | scary | 04:48 |
| zul | very...and very masochistic | 04:48 |
| jdub | i was about to say ;) | 04:48 |
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| jdub | uh, now i've forgotten the other things | 04:49 |
| jdub | i'll play with it again and ping you when you're up :) | 04:49 |
| zul | and there was a modificaton to kernel-package to get the naming correct | 04:49 |
| zul | jdub: ok i just uploaded a -3 xen-utils and in the process of upload a -4 kernel | 04:49 |
| zul | my isp is going to love me this month ;) | 04:50 |
| zul | jdub: oh yes if you were going to ask for grub, debian has a patch for update-grub already | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | mine already loves me lots.. | 04:51 |
| jdub | rad | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | zul: does the -4 kernel create the initramfs? | 04:51 |
| === ajmitch uploads new xgl crack | ||
| zul | no it doesnt...debian doesnt as well | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | ok | 04:51 |
| zul | afaik | 04:51 |
| zul | there should be really a #ubuntu-xen meh...anyways im going to bed...night | 04:52 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 04:52 |
| ajmitch | night | 04:52 |
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| jdub | zul: planning to do lrm packages for xen-image? | 04:52 |
| zul | uh...good question..to get nvidia working with xen is kind of hackish from what i read | 04:53 |
| ajmitch | jdub: proprietary drivers like nvidia tend not to play nicely with xen | 04:53 |
| === jdub was mostly worried about wifi ;) | ||
| ajmitch | heh | 04:53 |
| ajmitch | should be possible, I guess | 04:53 |
| === ajmitch should take a look at it | ||
| ajmitch | my poor laptop is tethered again by ethernet | 04:54 |
| jdub | it's a pity there are so many infrastructural changes that need to be made | 04:54 |
| jdub | making it hard to backport for dapper | 04:54 |
| zul | right this time im going to bed.. | 04:56 |
| infinity | There's been a VERY LOUD fire alarm going off down the street for the last half hur. | 04:56 |
| infinity | s/hur/hour/ | 04:56 |
| infinity | I'm nearly ready to kill. | 04:57 |
| imbrandon | infinity: bb gun --> speaker | 04:57 |
| imbrandon | heh | 04:57 |
| zul | jdub: if you have any questions feel free to email me | 04:58 |
| Keybuk | infinity: you would have gone nuts here at the weekend | 05:01 |
| Keybuk | some kids burned down the local sub station | 05:01 |
| bddebian | bb gun? pfft, 20 Gauge | 05:01 |
| Keybuk | and for the first few hours of the power outage every single house alarm for miles was going off | 05:01 |
| bluefoxicy | heh | 05:02 |
| bluefoxicy | with no power | 05:02 |
| Keybuk | assumedly they get their power from elsewhere | 05:03 |
| bluefoxicy | speaking of power, my computer is on a UPS. It's required. | 05:03 |
| jdub | ajmitch: whoa, xgl update | 05:04 |
| bluefoxicy | When my AC kicks in it can knock the power out because I have more power drain up here (FROM ONE SOCKET MIND YOU) than the breaker allows. (a wall -> 6 way splitter; a UPS; a power strip; another power strip) | 05:04 |
| bluefoxicy | so my UPS goes down and relieves the load for about 3 seconds :P | 05:04 |
| ajmitch | jdub: correct | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | I thought I may as well get it out there & get the bugreports flooding in | 05:05 |
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| ajmitch | jdub: f-spot also added to desktop seed in the bzr branch, just need to get ubuntu-meta updating properly | 05:06 |
| jdub | ajmitch: cool | 05:06 |
| Keybuk | *sigh* | 05:09 |
| Keybuk | now my hardphone is deciding it doesn't like the network every few minutes | 05:09 |
| whiprush | hi Keybuk | 05:10 |
| bddebian | Why are there buildX versions that didn't get synced automagically? | 05:10 |
| bddebian | Heya whiprush | 05:10 |
| whiprush | hi bddebian, others ... | 05:10 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: debian may have updated after the autosync was turned off | 05:10 |
| ajmitch | hey whiprush | 05:10 |
| Keybuk | hmm, there's half a dozen firmware updates for my hardphone | 05:11 |
| Keybuk | maybe one of those helps ... | 05:11 |
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| whiprush | Keybuk: man dude, I bet 20 bucks you get hosed on network-manager syncage again this cycle. | 05:11 |
| Keybuk | whiprush: how do you mean? | 05:11 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Fair enough, thx | 05:12 |
| whiprush | major release at the most crappy times. | 05:12 |
| Keybuk | I'm largely ignoring network-manager this cycle | 05:12 |
| whiprush | wotcha working on? | 05:13 |
| Keybuk | upstart | 05:14 |
| whiprush | heh | 05:14 |
| whiprush | I just remembered the dash thing | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: make StevenK do it :P | 05:14 |
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| Kaleo | Hello guys | 05:16 |
| bddebian | Hello Kaleo | 05:18 |
| Kaleo | Hi bddebian | 05:18 |
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| Kaleo | bddebian, do you know who usually hacks on ubiquity ? | 05:25 |
| bddebian | Not really, sorry | 05:26 |
| jdub | Kaleo: Kamion | 05:26 |
| Kaleo | okay | 05:27 |
| Kaleo | jdub, thanks | 05:36 |
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| micahcowan | I'm upgrading to edgy, so I can help squash bugs... is updating sources.list and doing apt-get dist-upgrade sufficient (actually, it's already underway...)? | 06:42 |
| Hobbsee | micahcowan: yes | 06:43 |
| micahcowan | great. Next question: it's halting because it wants /usr/X11R6/bin to be a symlink, so it wants me to move it out of the way. I figure it might be easier if the contents of that dir are already where they're going to be, perhaps... what is /usr/X11R6/bin going to point at (it didn't seem to say)? | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | micahcowan: --> #ubuntu+1 | 06:45 |
| micahcowan | oh, great. Thanks! | 06:45 |
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| jdub | hrm | 06:58 |
| jdub | genius is not in ubuntu | 06:58 |
| Hobbsee | jdub: should it be? | 06:59 |
| jdub | yeah, totally | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | we have no genius? | 07:00 |
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| === sivang wonders if upgrading today will break X. | ||
| Lathiat | probably :) | 07:36 |
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| crimsun | reachable for me. | 07:39 |
| Lathiat | works for me too | 07:40 |
| raphink | yes that works now :) | 07:48 |
| raphink | it just took quite a long tim | 07:49 |
| raphink | time | 07:49 |
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| dholbach | ogra: hellas! you might want to look into http://download.gnome.org/sources/genius/0.7/ | 08:40 |
| dholbach | might be something for the edubuntu world | 08:40 |
| crimsun | you just missed 00:58 < jdub> genius is not in ubuntu 01:00 * jdub packages it as a birthday present for maia | 08:41 |
| dholbach | WOW | 08:41 |
| dholbach | jdub: WAY TO GO !!! | 08:42 |
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| jdub | dholbach: ha ha | 08:48 |
| mvo | ah ah ? | 08:50 |
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| dholbach | ogra: how did gnome-screensaver 2.14.3 look? | 08:54 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 08:58 |
| Burgundavia | morning pitti | 08:58 |
| Hobbsee | hi pitti! | 08:58 |
| Burgundavia | pitti: mpt and myself had a discussion about the crashingreporting UI in -desktop | 08:59 |
| pitti | hey Hobbsee | 09:00 |
| pitti | Burgundavia: don't tell me you redesigned it once again :) | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | pitti: not the edgy stuff. We were talking about the edgy+1 stuff | 09:01 |
| pitti | Burgundavia: yesterday I almost finished implementing his design | 09:01 |
| pitti | ah | 09:01 |
| dholbach | somebody please add #ubuntu-bugs to the topic | 09:01 |
| jdub | mvo: the apt update didn't fix the Packages.bz2 issue i was seeing | 09:03 |
| jdub | Failed to fetch http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/edgy/Packages.gz 404 Not Found | 09:03 |
| mvo | jdub: oh, crap. thanks for testing | 09:03 |
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| pitti | AAAARRRRGH @ f-spot | 09:04 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs" | yes X in edgy is a mess atm | ||
| Hobbsee | dholbach: like that? | 09:04 |
| pitti | ajmitch: nnnnnnggg, I explicitly unticked 'do not copy photos' during import and still it created a 5 GB ~/Photos folder and copied them | 09:05 |
| pitti | ajmitch: this just DoSed my backup system | 09:05 |
| dholbach | Hobbsee: super | 09:05 |
| ajmitch | pitti: interesting | 09:05 |
| jdub | infinity: around? | 09:05 |
| pitti | ajmitch: this should so much default to 'off'... | 09:06 |
| pitti | ajmitch: (sorry for the rant) | 09:06 |
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| ajmitch | file a bug, I'll look for a patch in the stable branch upstream | 09:07 |
| pitti | ajmitch: will do | 09:08 |
| pitti | ajmitch: ooh, new xserver-xgl? COTD? :) | 09:08 |
| ajmitch | pitti: of course | 09:09 |
| jdub | i would test it if fglrx worked - gar! quebecistani craptop! | 09:09 |
| jdub | also, no xorg 7.1 means no aiglx love :( | 09:09 |
| jdub | aiglx > xgl :( | 09:09 |
| === ajmitch loves the aiglx on the laptop | ||
| dholbach | jdub: you uploaded genius already? :) | 09:13 |
| jdub | dholbach: no | 09:13 |
| jdub | i have to fix up pbuilder before i feel comfortable uploading it | 09:13 |
| dholbach | ok | 09:13 |
| dholbach | in dapper it should suffice to install it | 09:13 |
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| Hobbsee | jdub: you broke pbuilder? | 09:14 |
| jdub | it hasn't been working on my machine for a long time | 09:14 |
| Hobbsee | jdub: ahhh. great | 09:15 |
| dholbach | create --override-config --distribution=<something>? | 09:15 |
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| infinity | jdub: Yes, thought obviously less than attentive on IRC. | 09:29 |
| jdub | infinity: fuck, i should remember to add payloads to my pings | 09:30 |
| infinity | jdub: Yes. Yes you should. | 09:30 |
| jdub | infinity: ah, that's right | 09:31 |
| jdub | infinity: i would like to make xnest an alternative, so we can switch between xnest and xephyr - are there any standardisation problems with that, and things we need to sort out with debian, or is it "propose a patch and go" type stuff? | 09:32 |
| infinity | Well, in the interest of sane sidegrades, you may want to make sure it happens in time for both etch and edgy. | 09:32 |
| infinity | But otherwise, it's just a matter of making the packaging changes correctly so it doesn't explode, and you're good to go. | 09:33 |
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| pitti | Kamion: can you please accept/new all the new dapper langpacks? | 09:50 |
| Kamion | pitti: done | 09:54 |
| pitti | thanks | 09:54 |
| Kamion | infinity: hmm, I see my cheesy attempt at hacking around the pockets thing in d-i didn't work quite right | 09:54 |
| Kamion | infinity: should I fix the cheesy hack, or remove it and coordinate an upload with you? | 09:54 |
| Kamion | happy to do either (though it seems that fixing the cheesy hack might involve less messy coordination time in the future) | 09:55 |
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| pitti | doko: yay, OO.o built everywhere *phew* :) | 09:57 |
| dholbach | pitti: that sounds as you were in doubt :) | 09:57 |
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| === Kamion decides to just fix the cheesy d-i pockets hack | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 10:14 |
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| infinity | Kamion: I think the cheesy hack is probably the best way to go, actually. | 10:24 |
| infinity | Kamion: Oh, which you decided to do without prompting anyway. Yay, response time. | 10:24 |
| tepsipakki | congrats, there's an article on Helsingin Sanomat (biggest newspaper in Finland) about installing Ubuntu. It's takes nearly the whole front page of part D :) | 10:25 |
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| pitti | dholbach: not any more, because doko did not phone me at 3 am :) | 10:25 |
| Kamion | infinity: :-) | 10:25 |
| dholbach | pitti: hehe | 10:26 |
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| doko | pitti: lucky guy :) | 10:36 |
| pitti | doko: so, if pkg-create-dbgsym works with OO.o, it just has to work with just about any other package, too :-P | 10:36 |
| doko | pitti: does it take as long as pkg-stripstranslations does? ;-P | 10:37 |
| pitti | doko: I don't know, but at least it has no redundancy (as striptranslations has) | 10:38 |
| dholbach | gutenprint 5.0 is there | 10:39 |
| pitti | oh, great | 10:41 |
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| ajmitch | hunger: wireshark sync was already requested, just spotted it in -bugs :) | 11:04 |
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| === pitti makes cdbs-edit-patch work properly with tarball.mk | ||
| ajmitch | pitti: that's useful - I still have a package using tarball.mk & simple-patchsys | 11:12 |
| pitti | ajmitch: until now I had a separate script, but it used dbs-edit-patch, and it doesn't work very well | 11:12 |
| === pitti also makes cdbs-edit-patch capable of editing patches with rejections while he is at it | ||
| ajmitch | it's a package I never touched much, I adjusted the patch with vim each time | 11:13 |
| pitti | ajmitch: hal and g-v-m use tarball.mk, as well as postgresql, so I have a certain interest in a good patch edit script :) | 11:14 |
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| janimo | pitti, while at it can you make it to accept debian/patches/xx_name as well, so only use basename of argument? | 11:22 |
| pitti | janimo: right, that was already on my list | 11:22 |
| janimo | as it's easier to use completion than remember the names | 11:22 |
| janimo | ok:) | 11:22 |
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| hunger | ajmitch: Thanks for the info wrt. wireshark! | 11:29 |
| ogra | seb128, dholbach ... | 11:30 |
| ogra | ogra@edubuntu:~/packages/gnome-screensaver-2.14.3$ debdiff ../gnome-screensaver_2.14.1-0ubuntu5.dsc ../gnome-screensaver_2.14.3-0ubuntu1.dsc|wc -l | 11:30 |
| ogra | 34295 | 11:30 |
| ogra | that doesnt make me feel we should have it in -updates | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | hunger: I've fixed xserver-xgl, too, just have to upload | 11:30 |
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| Chipzz | is there somewhere I can ask about ltsp on ubuntu? | 11:30 |
| ogra | Chipzz, yes | 11:30 |
| hunger | ajmitch: This is getting spooky! | 11:31 |
| Chipzz | ogra: where? | 11:31 |
| ogra | Chipzz, here or in #edubuntu ... ot in #ltsp .... | 11:31 |
| hunger | ajmitch: so many of my bugs are vanishing today! | 11:31 |
| Chipzz | ogra: well, since this isn't a support channel... :P | 11:31 |
| ogra | in any case you'll likely talk to me ;) | 11:31 |
| dholbach | ogra: that depends on where the changes are - most of it is buildsystem for sure and translations | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | hunger: well I did upload xserver-xgl the first time - I just missed that conflict | 11:31 |
| seb128 | ogra: 30000 lines of .po changes and 4000 of autogenerated Makefile and 400 of code? :p | 11:31 |
| dholbach | ogra: pipe it through diffstat | 11:31 |
| ogra | Chipzz, then #ltsp or #edubuntu | 11:31 |
| ogra | seb128, argh, i didnt think about the .po files :) | 11:32 |
| seb128 | ogra: for other tarballs 90% of the changes where help translation and .po | 11:32 |
| hunger | ajmitch: No problem:-) It is just that this is the 4 or 5th of my bugs that got squashed today;-) | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | hunger: you should be happy about that :) | 11:33 |
| hunger | ajmitch: I definitly am! | 11:33 |
| ogra | seb128, yep ... i just didnt think about that ... and i'm convinced autotools wont produce 30000 line diffs ;) | 11:33 |
| ogra | oh, well, diffstat disagrees even here :) aclocal.m4 |12821 ++++++++++++++++++------------------ | 11:34 |
| seb128 | :p | 11:35 |
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| hunger | Riddell: Any news on the edgy/artsd crashes? | 11:52 |
| Riddell | hunger: looks like kdemultimedia decided to go with the wrong akode even though I gave it a versioned build-dep | 11:54 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: darn. eta on the fix? | 11:55 |
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| Riddell | I'll throw it up for another build now | 11:56 |
| doko | interesting, 2.0.3-4ubuntu2 < 2.0.3-3ubuntu2-1 ... didn't know that | 11:57 |
| infinity | doko: Well, 2.0.3-3ubuntu2 is the upstream version in the second case. | 11:58 |
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| infinity | doko: There's only one Debian Revision, and it's the one after the last "-". | 11:59 |
| infinity | doko: (Policy strongly advises against, or perhaps even forbids, having more than 1 "-" in the version, for this very reason) | 11:59 |
| StevenK | I don't think they forbid it. | 12:00 |
| doko | ohh, I missed the -1 ... | 12:00 |
| infinity | The upstream_version may contain only alphanumerics[33] and the characters . + - : (full stop, plus, hyphen, colon) and should start with a digit. If there is no debian_revision then hyphens are not allowed. | 12:03 |
| infinity | That doesn't read very clearly, since it seems to imply that if there's a debian_revision, multiple hyphens are allowed, but that's not really what it means. :) | 12:03 |
| infinity | And earlier: | 12:03 |
| infinity | The format is: [epoch:] upstream_version[-debian_revision] | 12:03 |
| pitti | infinity: why, it's pretty clear, isn't it? | 12:03 |
| pitti | infinity: this essentially means that 'native packges must not have hyphens' | 12:04 |
| infinity | pitti: No, it's not quite clear. If there's no debian_revision, hyphens aren't allowed (ie: for native packages), but it doesn't really specify how many you should have if there is (which is, ideally, 1) | 12:04 |
| pitti | and for non-native packages, the last hyphen separates the debian revision | 12:04 |
| infinity | Anyhow, just leads to this sort of accidental confusion. | 12:05 |
| infinity | No big deal. | 12:05 |
| pitti | infinity: I think it wanted to avoid specifying the number of hyphens | 12:05 |
| pitti | right | 12:05 |
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| micah_c | What's the process for bugs that are assigned to MOTU-Reviewers? ...I'm interested in 45930, which is for the "joystick" package (jstest and similar). It's a /very/ inessential package; however, I've submitted a patch that fixes the issue, and am just curious when I might expect to see the package updated? I'm not impatient or anything... | 12:15 |
| micah_c | Actually, disregard that: #ubuntu-motu should be a much better place to ask this (I just realized...) | 12:15 |
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| seb128 | doko: I'm done with libs uploads to dapper-updates, now they have to be accepted and build | 12:21 |
| doko | seb128: ok, I have to find out these I need ... | 12:21 |
| dholbach | pitti: you rock! | 12:21 |
| seb128 | dholbach: what did he do? | 12:21 |
| pitti | dholbach: do I? :) (thanks) | 12:22 |
| dholbach | seb128: cdbs hacking :) | 12:22 |
| pitti | ah, that :) | 12:22 |
| pitti | yep, that was a long-standing item on my todo | 12:22 |
| dholbach | and new gvm | 12:22 |
| seb128 | doko: probably gtk-engins gtk+2.0 | 12:22 |
| seb128 | gtk-engines | 12:22 |
| seb128 | and maybe at-spi, dholbach would know | 12:22 |
| dholbach | update for gtk32-libssomething? | 12:22 |
| seb128 | dholbach: for dapper-updates yep | 12:23 |
| dholbach | no, didn't do at-spi changes for dapper | 12:23 |
| doko | pango is already built | 12:23 |
| seb128 | pango had no new version | 12:24 |
| seb128 | ah, nice | 12:26 |
| === seb128 hugs pitti | ||
| seb128 | better cdbs-edit-patch ;) | 12:26 |
| pitti | dholbach: FYI, I also updated the MOTU school patch page | 12:27 |
| pitti | seb128: enjoy! | 12:27 |
| === dholbach hugs pitti | ||
| === dholbach hugs pitti | ||
| === dholbach hugs pitti | ||
| pitti | seb128: it saved me a lot of time with the new g-v-m | 12:27 |
| dholbach | it's the HUG DAY :) | 12:27 |
| pitti | right! | 12:27 |
| === pitti hugs dholbach and seb128 ecstatically | ||
| seb128 | pitti: I got used to mv the patch to the src dir, cdbs-edit, patch -p1 etc | 12:28 |
| Spads | Hmmm, I'm not seeing xen-image in edgy. Am I missing something? | 12:28 |
| seb128 | pitti: really nice that I can drop the extra steps now ;) | 12:28 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, you didn't use my cdbstpatch script? | 12:29 |
| pitti | well, it's obsolete now anyway (and quite broken, too) | 12:29 |
| seb128 | pitti: what script? I use cdbs-edit-patch | 12:29 |
| tseng | dholbach: python beagle bits have changed again, btw | 12:29 |
| dholbach | tseng: mh, what does that mean for me? | 12:29 |
| tseng | dholbach: its back to being called python-beagle (again) | 12:30 |
| dholbach | ahhhh | 12:30 |
| dholbach | is it in the archive again? | 12:30 |
| tseng | its in unstable | 12:30 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 12:30 |
| dholbach | once it hits the archive, i'll change the suggests from deskbar-applet | 12:30 |
| === ogra wonders what subscribed him to bug 37603 | ||
| tseng | i think its in NEW for us | 12:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 37603 in ubuntulooks "Ensure that foreground and background color combinations provide sufficient contrast when viewed by someone having color deficits" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37603 | 12:31 |
| === tseng hugs dholbach | ||
| dholbach | right-o | 12:31 |
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| Spads | I can see packages for the guest Xen kernel, but not the host. Has xen-image made it into edgy proper yet? | 12:41 |
| ajmitch | iirc the kernel can be used for both | 12:42 |
| Spads | hmmmm | 12:46 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch: i thought domU and dom0 kerns were diffrent | 12:49 |
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| Spads | That's my experience | 12:49 |
| ogra | Spads, ask zul if he's arund | 12:50 |
| Spads | zul: ping | 12:50 |
| ogra | he packaged it | 12:50 |
| === Spads nods | ||
| ajmitch | I'm sure zul mentioned that this one has them as either | 12:50 |
| ajmitch | as I've seen in debian | 12:50 |
| imbrandon | right, it might contain both | 12:50 |
| === imbrandon looks for zul's wiki | ||
| ajmitch | 14:46 < zul> jdub: its a config option, dom0 kernels can do both but i was thinking of supplying a domU kernel as well | 12:51 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 12:51 |
| ogra | iirc he said somethig about domU not being included | 12:51 |
| Spads | yeah | 12:51 |
| ogra | we only have dom0 | 12:51 |
| Spads | the source package can be used to generate both | 12:51 |
| Spads | I saw chatter about a xen-image package for the host kernel | 12:51 |
| Spads | and I thought that was what the cheering was about earlier | 12:51 |
| ogra | the cheering was about seeing soething with xen in the name hitting the archive :P | 12:52 |
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| Spads | 18:06 <bluefoxicy> I thought dom0 kernels could also run domU | 12:52 |
| Spads | 18:06 <zul> they can,we dont ship domU kernels | 12:52 |
| ogra | we're so easy to please :) | 12:52 |
| Spads | Huh. | 12:53 |
| Spads | Okay, this is a Xen 3.0 thing | 12:53 |
| Spads | color me impressed | 12:53 |
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| ajmitch | ogra: you mean the cheering wasn't just about xgl, and the groan as new bugs come in? | 12:54 |
| === ogra covers from that xgl pollution | ||
| imbrandon | heh | 12:55 |
| jdub | Spads: it works okay, but needs a bit of love | 12:55 |
| Spads | jdub: I notice no hypervisor package either | 12:56 |
| jdub | Spads: unfortunately it requires a bunch of infrastructure changes | 12:56 |
| jdub | Spads: xen-hypervisor-3.0-i386 | 12:56 |
| Spads | oh | 12:56 |
| Spads | this is amd64 | 12:56 |
| Spads | maybe that's why I'm not seeing it all | 12:56 |
| jdub | xen-hypervisor-3.0-amd64 | 12:57 |
| Spads | W: Unable to locate package xen-hypervisor-3.0-amd64 | 12:57 |
| jdub | hrm, maybe it hasn't built | 12:57 |
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| Spads | ahhh | 12:58 |
| Spads | there are sources | 12:58 |
| Spads | good enough for me | 12:58 |
| Spads | jdub: thanks for the hints | 12:59 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/233537 | 12:59 |
| ogra | Spads, ^^ | 12:59 |
| Spads | Gar. | 12:59 |
| Kamion | infinity: '-d dapper' doesn't seem to work via the ssh trigger; I get "bad project: -d" | 12:59 |
| infinity | Kamion: Lies. | 01:01 |
| === infinity looks. | ||
| infinity | Kamion: How do you invoke the trigger? | 01:01 |
| infinity | Kamion: Give me a full command-line. | 01:01 |
| doko | Kamion: dapper-proposed did build the native amd64 packages once, the resulting binary packages should be removed. do you want a bug report? openoffice.org-evolution, openoffice.org-dev | 01:02 |
| infinity | Kamion: Oh, I see the problem, I think. | 01:03 |
| infinity | Kamion: Try triggering on king... | 01:04 |
| doko | pitti: new firefox security upload for dapper? | 01:07 |
| pitti | doko: yet another one??? | 01:07 |
| ogra | dholbach, does genius have a homepage ? | 01:08 |
| dholbach | ogra: dunno | 01:09 |
| dholbach | ogra: jdub stepped up to package it | 01:09 |
| ogra | http://www.jirka.org/genius.html | 01:09 |
| ogra | found it :) | 01:09 |
| doko | pitti: no, I'm just confused, about our ia32-libs* packages for -security, -updates, and -proposed ... | 01:09 |
| ogra | jdub, slacker ! :) | 01:09 |
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| Kamion | infinity: + ssh -o ControlPath none -n buildd@terranova.buildd /home/buildd/bin/BuildLiveCD -d dapper ubuntu | 01:17 |
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| Kamion | infinity: yep, king seems happier now ... | 01:17 |
| Kamion | doko: yes please | 01:18 |
| mhb | hello everyone | 01:18 |
| mhb | I have a little devel-related question ... Are there plans to get the console (ALT+F1...) localised (displaying fine local characters, respect the keyboard setting etc.)? | 01:20 |
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| infinity | Kamion: Okay, I'll update the others. Thanks for testing. | 01:22 |
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| infinity | Kamion: terranova and royal fixed too now. | 01:25 |
| pitti | doko: ah, now I know what you mean; no, ia32-libs* update is not required, the latest USN only fixed a regression in the browser itself (not in the libs) | 01:31 |
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| mjg59 | pitti: the suidness can't be removed from svgalib, hence my suggestion that we not include the binaries | 01:38 |
| mjg59 | The library itself is safe | 01:38 |
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| ldarnis | join #ubuntu-motu | 01:41 |
| ldarnis | oops | 01:41 |
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| mjg59 | Hm. | 01:43 |
| Hobbsee | hm? | 01:43 |
| === mjg59 looks at just copying the svgalib code into usplash | ||
| === Fujitsu hits mjg59. | ||
| Hobbsee | mjg59: i rather like keybuk's idea - if we've got an X server, give people a login window. | 01:44 |
| mjg59 | Fujitsu: Minimises the amount of code that needs to be maintained | 01:44 |
| Hobbsee | mjg59: then show them the rest of the bootup, depending on hwo long they take to login. | 01:44 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: for the moment, we want to build foobuntu iso's but not publish them in the usual place | 01:44 |
| sabdfl | pass them on fsf europe for testing etc | 01:44 |
| mjg59 | Hobbsee: Yeah, but we're not going to have an X server :) | 01:44 |
| Hobbsee | mjg59: pity.... | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 01:45 |
| pitti | mjg59: although I'm not generally a friend of code copies, if you only need a safe fragment of the code, then this could make sense | 01:45 |
| === Hobbsee waves to the sabdfl | ||
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| StevenK | mjg59: Why not just statically link? Even those that has an ick factor. | 01:45 |
| pitti | hey sabdfl | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | Kami*on will hate me, i think. requesting more syncs :P | 01:45 |
| StevenK | s/those/though/ | 01:45 |
| sabdfl | hey folks | 01:45 |
| mjg59 | StevenK: Can't have build-depends in universe for packages in main | 01:45 |
| Fujitsu | Hi sabdfl! | 01:45 |
| === StevenK wishes to know why he can't type tonight. | ||
| StevenK | mjg59: Point. | 01:45 |
| === mjg59 hacks out chunks of code | ||
| mjg59 | Ok, maybe this is doable | 01:49 |
| doko | seb128: gtk-engines will be updated as well for dapper-updates? | 01:49 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: how do we go about passing them on without publishing them on cdimage? I can't really mail ISO images around :) | 01:49 |
| Hobbsee | Kamion: well, you can try. could be amusing to see the results too :P | 01:50 |
| Kamion | infinity: thanks | 01:50 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: they can be published, just not in the usual place | 01:50 |
| sabdfl | call them gnubuntu, please | 01:50 |
| sabdfl | it's unofficial until it's not, iyswim | 01:50 |
| Chipzz | sabdfl: what's rms going to say about that? :) | 01:50 |
| Kamion | ok, any ideas as to where to publish them though? | 01:51 |
| sabdfl | YES! | 01:51 |
| Kamion | people.ubuntu.com or something? | 01:51 |
| sabdfl | that would be fine | 01:51 |
| Chipzz | sabdfl: or are you referring to what rms actually wanted? | 01:51 |
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| Kamion | so is it foobuntu or gnubuntu internally? getting mixed messages here :) | 01:51 |
| sabdfl | gnubuntu | 01:51 |
| Kamion | I'd just written "foobuntu" into a load of files | 01:51 |
| Kamion | d'oh | 01:51 |
| sabdfl | sorry | 01:51 |
| Kamion | oh well, shouldn't take long to sed | 01:51 |
| Kamion | I'm doing a test build now | 01:52 |
| doko | seb128: orbit2 stays at v 2.14.0 ? | 01:52 |
| doko | dholbach: or do you know about plans for orbit2 and gtk-engines ? | 01:52 |
| jsgotangco | \o/ gnubuntu \o/ | 01:52 |
| dholbach | doko: for dapper? | 01:53 |
| doko | dapper-updates | 01:53 |
| Kamion | doko: do you mean gtk2-engines? | 01:53 |
| Kamion | gtk2-engines is already in the dapper-updates unapproved queue | 01:53 |
| dholbach | doko: there were not tarballs for orbit, but for gtk-engines | 01:53 |
| doko | sure, gtk2-engines | 01:54 |
| doko | dholbach: I don't see anything in launchpad for gtk-engines and gtk2-engines | 01:55 |
| dholbach | then it must be in the unapproved queue | 01:55 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: would the title-case name be Gnubuntu or GNUbuntu? | 01:55 |
| Kamion | dholbach: it is, as I said | 01:55 |
| Kamion | I did a lot of unapproved this morning, just lost the will to live part-way through - I'll regain it in a bit | 01:56 |
| === dholbach hugs Kamion | ||
| sabdfl | Kamion: i've no idea which is more appropriate, would you take a squizz at gnu.org and see what they tend to prefer? | 01:56 |
| === Hobbsee thought there was already a gnubuntu. there was certainly talk of one. | ||
| jsgotangco | GNU | 01:57 |
| doko | Kamion: is there still some stuff in the unapproved queue for dapper-updates? | 01:57 |
| Kamion | oh, if it's what they prefer then GNUbuntu seems likely - c.f. GNUtls, GNUstep. there are counterexamples of course | 01:58 |
| Kamion | doko: yes | 01:58 |
| === dholbach -> lunch | ||
| Kamion | (e.g. Gnumeric, GnuPG) | 01:58 |
| === Hobbsee "borrows" dholbach's lunch, and runs away with it | ||
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| Kamion | Hobbsee: not really; it's been talked about for a long time, as you say | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | Kamion: okay, cool | 02:00 |
| mdke | GNU/buntu surely | 02:00 |
| Kamion | :-P | 02:00 |
| jsgotangco | ekkk | 02:00 |
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| imbrandon | lol @ mdke;) | 02:04 |
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| mjg59 | pitti: Ok, looks like I should be able to munge it directly into usplash | 02:06 |
| mjg59 | sabdfl: You ought to have high-res usplash at some point this evening | 02:06 |
| sabdfl | mjg59: awesome - without compromising suspend / resume? | 02:07 |
| mjg59 | I believe so | 02:07 |
| sabdfl | very cool. i thought i would have to take mind-enhancing substances to ever see that :-) | 02:07 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 02:07 |
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| imbrandon | lol | 02:08 |
| doko | Kamion: but no gtk2* and orbit2 stuff? | 02:09 |
| sabdfl | mjg59: how did you solve the "wake up the video card" problem? | 02:10 |
| thom | mjg59: also, any news on hotpluggable x60s ultra bay justice? | 02:11 |
| Kamion | doko: 12:53 < Kamion> gtk2-engines is already in the dapper-updates unapproved queue | 02:11 |
| mjg59 | sabdfl: We don't use the framebuffer | 02:12 |
| mjg59 | Just jump to vesa directly | 02:12 |
| mjg59 | thom: Wurgh. I'll try to hit that over the weekend? | 02:12 |
| thom | yay :-) | 02:12 |
| ajmitch | mjg59: do you still want to take the blame & be marked as maintainer of xserver-xgl, or shall I change that? :) | 02:12 |
| mjg59 | ajmitch: Heh | 02:12 |
| thom | my hack doesn't work anymore in edgy since /proc/acpi/ibm/dock has gone away | 02:12 |
| mjg59 | ajmitch: If you're going to actively look after it, would you mind adopting it for now? | 02:13 |
| ajmitch | I can | 02:13 |
| mjg59 | Cool | 02:13 |
| mjg59 | Thanks for the upload | 02:13 |
| ajmitch | also got libcm, and possibly spiftacity | 02:13 |
| dholbach | create an xgl team in launchpad and subscribe it to the bugs | 02:13 |
| ajmitch | sounds sane | 02:13 |
| dholbach | i'm sure you'll get followers | 02:13 |
| === ajmitch can't be sane this week though | ||
| jsgotangco | he'll be treated like a god | 02:14 |
| ajmitch | hah | 02:14 |
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| janimo | which of the gnome daemons or apps listens to key presses via HAL? | 02:21 |
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| Lure | janimo: I think gnome-settings-daemon from control-center package | 02:27 |
| Lure | janimo: at least this is what I used to understand Ubuntu behaviour for KubuntuLaptopButtons... | 02:28 |
| mjg59 | Nothing listens to the HAL events yet | 02:28 |
| Riddell | Lure: which reminds me, mjg59 said he could supply us with a list of supported keys | 02:28 |
| janimo | Lure, thanks. I know g-v-m and g-p-m are candidates as well, but was wondering if it got put somewhere common in latest gnome | 02:28 |
| mjg59 | gnome-settings-daemon gets them straight from X | 02:28 |
| janimo | mjg59: so no gnome app does the equivalent of lshal -m for keys? | 02:29 |
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| mjg59 | janimo: Not via hal, no | 02:29 |
| Lure | true, g-s-d just does X events | 02:29 |
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| mjg59 | Should probably port that some time | 02:30 |
| mjg59 | And also add code to let people set new keymaps | 02:30 |
| janimo | mjg59: so classical grab the keyboard then, thanks | 02:30 |
| Lure | mjg59: so using hal directly is preffered over X events? | 02:30 |
| mjg59 | Lure: Yeah | 02:30 |
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| Lure | mjg59: ok, will rething Kubuntu implementation then... | 02:31 |
| Lure | s/rething/rethink/ | 02:31 |
| Lure | mjg59: can you supply us with the list of all supported keys as mentioned by Riddell? | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: i got a few more people adding their keys to your list, btw | 02:33 |
| mjg59 | Sure, hang on a moment | 02:33 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: seen that - thanks! | 02:33 |
| mjg59 | Lure: As far as the hal ones go, just check hald/linux2/addons/keyboard.c | 02:33 |
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| zul | heylo | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | hi zul | 02:34 |
| Lure | mjg59: ok, thanks - will do this evening... | 02:34 |
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| setuid | I'm trying to figure out the magic to build the ATI driver packages for Edgy. Any hints here? | 02:35 |
| setuid | The BinaryDriverHowto/ATI document didn't seem to help | 02:36 |
| setuid | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI | 02:37 |
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| pygi | sivang, poke | 02:39 |
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| mdke | dholbach: ping? | 02:58 |
| janimo | mjg59: hmm in g-p-m 2.14.3 at least, in src/gpm-hal-monitor.c there is code for handling button pressed events from HAL. | 02:59 |
| mjg59 | janimo: Only sleep, power and lid | 03:01 |
| janimo | well, that's something | 03:01 |
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| mjg59 | That's because they can come from multiple sources | 03:01 |
| janimo | I only need sleep for xfce anyway | 03:01 |
| janimo | for now that is | 03:01 |
| pitti | dmg: hello | 03:01 |
| dmg | howdy | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | mdke: i think he went to lunch | 03:04 |
| doko | Kamion: I got a reject for ia32-libs-openoffice.org_11.1 ? | 03:05 |
| mdke | Hobbsee: yep thanks, he can respond when he gets back | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | mdke: true | 03:05 |
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| Kamion | doko: yes, you uploaded it twice and I rejected the first one since the second was obviously newer | 03:33 |
| doko | Kamion: thanks | 03:34 |
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| ogra | mvo, if u-m pops up a conffile prompt, wouldnt it be better to show the user the full patch instead of only the filename ? | 03:36 |
| ogra | *path | 03:36 |
| mvo | ogra: probably, yes. what conffile is it? | 03:37 |
| ogra | /etc/exports ... | 03:37 |
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| ogra | i had a prompt asking me about exports so i was confused and had to look into the vte win to find out its /etc/exports | 03:38 |
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| ogra | especially since i didnt look which packages were upgraded ... | 03:39 |
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| seb128 | nice, gdb segfault :/ | 03:41 |
| mvo | seb128: haha, generate a bt :) | 03:41 |
| mvo | ogra: right, I will look at it | 03:42 |
| seb128 | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. | 03:42 |
| seb128 | 0x0808ff32 in _initialize_thread_db () | 03:42 |
| seb128 | (gdb) bt | 03:42 |
| seb128 | #0 0x0808ff32 in _initialize_thread_db () | 03:42 |
| seb128 | #1 0x08090309 in _initialize_thread_db () | 03:42 |
| seb128 | #2 0x081075b9 in normal_stop () | 03:42 |
| seb128 | #3 0x0807f6c9 in discard_cleanups () | 03:42 |
| seb128 | #4 0x081122d9 in throw_exception () | 03:42 |
| seb128 | #5 0x0811238c in throw_exception () | 03:42 |
| seb128 | #6 0x081123e2 in throw_verror () | 03:42 |
| seb128 | #7 0x080821ea in error () | 03:42 |
| seb128 | #8 0x080824ca in perror_with_name () | 03:42 |
| seb128 | #9 0x0808ed08 in supply_gregset () | 03:42 |
| seb128 | mvo: here you go :p | 03:42 |
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| seb128 | mvo: want to debug it? :) | 03:56 |
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| seb128 | doko: around? | 03:59 |
| doko | seb128: yes | 04:00 |
| seb128 | doko: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3709638/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.ctypes_0.9.9.6-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 04:00 |
| seb128 | doko: does it look like something that just need a retry? | 04:01 |
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| seb128 | "pycentral: pycentral rtinstall: installed runtime python2.3 not found" | 04:01 |
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| doko | seb128: maybe sync that from unstable. the package explicitely depends on python2.3, not python-all-dev. in edgy, we don't support 2.3 anymore. | 04:02 |
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| seb128 | doko: that's the package from Debian unstable | 04:03 |
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| doko | seb128: then it should depend on python-all-dev | 04:06 |
| doko | b-depend | 04:06 |
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| seb128 | doko: "Build-Depends: python2.3-dev (>= 2.3.5-10), python2.4-dev, python-central (>= 0.4.17), debhelper (>= 5.0.37.1)" | 04:06 |
| seb128 | doko: python2.3-dev (>= 2.3.5-10), python2.4-dev has to be remplaced by python-all-dev ? | 04:06 |
| doko | python-all-dev (>= 2.3.5-11) | 04:06 |
| seb128 | ok,t hank you | 04:07 |
| bddebian | Morning | 04:07 |
| seb128 | I'll open a Debian bug and fix the Ubuntu package | 04:07 |
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| doko | seb128: right, but look in the rules file, if python2.3 is called explicitely ... | 04:07 |
| StevenK | Both seem to ignore subdirectories underneath /usr/share/py{central,thon-support}. | 04:07 |
| seb128 | doko: | 04:08 |
| StevenK | Which means /usr/share/pycentral/linda/__init__.py gets linked as __init__.py, and then I wonder why import linda fails. | 04:09 |
| seb128 | build-python%: | 04:09 |
| seb128 | dh_testdir | 04:09 |
| seb128 | python$* setup.py build | 04:09 |
| seb128 | and they do that for "PYVERS:= $(shell pyversions -vr debian/control)" | 04:09 |
| seb128 | so it should be fine | 04:09 |
| doko | StevenK: it must be /usr/share/pycentral/linda/linda/__init__.py | 04:09 |
| bddebian | Aye, you need debian/pycompat | 04:09 |
| doko | do you move things around yourself? | 04:09 |
| StevenK | doko: Ewwww | 04:09 |
| seb128 | hum, I should read the new policy | 04:10 |
| seb128 | for now I'll just drop the python2.3 Build-Depends for the Ubuntu package | 04:10 |
| StevenK | I was ignoring until someone filed a bug on Linda. | 04:11 |
| bddebian | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPythonFAQ | 04:11 |
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| bddebian | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy | 04:11 |
| doko | seb128: looks fine. and something special about ctypes (because it's part of python2.5), the package should not depend on python (<< 2.5) (but you would have to remove that yourself at the moemnt | 04:11 |
| seb128 | bddebian: I know where they are, I've just been lazy trying to understand it and to decide what tool to use | 04:11 |
| imbrandon | nice, fink is on LP now /me dances | 04:11 |
| bddebian | Ah | 04:11 |
| doko | bddebian: no, just the latter | 04:12 |
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| Riddell | pitti: it seems like KDE HAL dude doesn't want to stop using the HAL mounting scripts | 04:23 |
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| Riddell | pitti: since they implement functionality that would otherwise have to be duplicated in KDE | 04:23 |
| Riddell | pitti: and it's hard to argue against using HAL since it's ment to be where all the problems are taken care of | 04:23 |
| pitti | Riddell: why duplicated? the scripts do exactly the same as pmount-hal | 04:23 |
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| Riddell | pitti: in this case it was creating nice names in /media | 04:24 |
| pitti | Riddell: ok | 04:24 |
| pitti | Riddell: well, then we need to sanitize the backend scripts | 04:24 |
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| Riddell | pitti: could we not just make the scripts run pmount? | 04:30 |
| pitti | Riddell: maybe we can cowboy it, but the scripts are run as root, not as the target user | 04:31 |
| Riddell | right | 04:32 |
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| dholbach | mdke: pong | 05:04 |
| mdke | dholbach: I've made an ubuntu-docs package for edgy, it's at https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk if you fancy uploading | 05:05 |
| mdke | i hope it works :) | 05:05 |
| dholbach | ahhhh nice | 05:05 |
| mdke | I've tested it on dapper, but not edgy | 05:06 |
| dholbach | i'll let you know - checking out | 05:07 |
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| viper550 | Hello | 05:15 |
| seb128 | hi viper550 | 05:16 |
| dholbach | mdke: it's building - i made some tiny changes to it - will send you the diff | 05:16 |
| dholbach | (after it built) | 05:16 |
| mdke | dholbach: thanks | 05:17 |
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| dholbach | anytime | 05:18 |
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| mjg59 | Wow. Are the buildds busier these days? | 05:25 |
| mjg59 | I had got far too used to uploading stuff and it hitting the archive half an hour later | 05:25 |
| mjg59 | pitti: I've removed the need for including svgalib | 05:26 |
| zul | mjg59: i could be one to blame for the buildds being busier :) | 05:28 |
| mjg59 | zul: Oh, they're doing a kernel? | 05:28 |
| bddebian | I'm sure all the sync requests don't help either :-) | 05:28 |
| kbyrd | zul: you have a chance to look at that email I sent about vmware-player-kernel? | 05:29 |
| zul | mjg59: yesterday i think and the new xen crack probably doesnt help | 05:29 |
| zul | kbyrd: i will tonight, i been busy with real life stuff | 05:29 |
| zul | i will most difnently upload it during my lunch break | 05:30 |
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| kbyrd | zul: "real life?" what is this thing? | 05:34 |
| zul | kbyrd: as in personal family matter | 05:34 |
| kbyrd | zul: I was kidding. Of course I understand real life, many of us don't seem to make enough time for it. | 05:35 |
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| dholbach | mdke: Installed-Size: [-32468-] {+2120+} | 05:48 |
| doko | Kamion: ia32-libs-gtk is the last one for dapper-updates | 05:48 |
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| dholbach | mdke: and the source package .tar.gz is about twice as big - anything we can add to the "remove it" list? | 05:51 |
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| mdke | dholbach: don't think so, the package is bigger than the dapper package? | 05:53 |
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| dholbach | mdke: the source tarball, the package is WAY smaller | 05:53 |
| dholbach | -rw-r--r-- 1 daniel daniel 5999074 2006-05-29 15:09 ubuntu-docs_6.06.1_all.deb | 05:54 |
| dholbach | -rw-r--r-- 1 daniel daniel 313432 2006-08-02 17:19 /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ubuntu-docs_6.08.1_all.deb | 05:54 |
| G0SUB | nags: I don't see hno here | 05:54 |
| nags | G0SUB: heno ? | 05:54 |
| dholbach | -rw-r--r-- 1 daniel daniel 6728888 2006-05-29 14:08 ubuntu-docs_6.06.1.tar.gz | 05:54 |
| dholbach | -rw-r--r-- 1 daniel daniel 15653321 2006-08-02 17:15 ubuntu-docs_6.08.1.tar.gz | 05:54 |
| G0SUB | heno: ping | 05:54 |
| G0SUB | nags: ah | 05:54 |
| G0SUB | dholbach: hello :) | 05:54 |
| nags | G0SUB: :D | 05:54 |
| dholbach | hello G0SUB | 05:54 |
| heno | nags, G0SUB: pong | 05:54 |
| mdke | dholbach: ok, a few things. | 05:55 |
| nags | hi heno | 05:55 |
| G0SUB | heno, dholbach: meet nags, he is the lead developer of Linux Desktop Testing Project | 05:55 |
| mdke | dholbach: shall I add them to the repo or do you want me to tell you them? | 05:55 |
| G0SUB | ldtp.freedesktop.org | 05:55 |
| nags | heno: I sent you a mail few days back, cc G0SUB | 05:55 |
| nags | hi dholbach :) | 05:55 |
| dholbach | hi nags! :) | 05:55 |
| Kamion | doko: ok | 05:55 |
| dholbach | mdke: you can tell me in a query and i'll add them and send it to you in a diff | 05:56 |
| mdke | ok | 05:56 |
| heno | nags: looks cool | 05:56 |
| nags | dholbach / heno : Few info about LDTP... | 05:56 |
| nags | LDTP is used by Sun China team in their solaris platform | 05:56 |
| nags | also by Palm Source in their embedded hardware based on GTK+ application | 05:57 |
| nags | Recently LDTP getting integrated with Jhbuild and GNOME Tinderbox | 05:57 |
| doko | dholbach, seb128: totem-xine is currently uninstallable in dapper-updates (amd64) | 05:57 |
| nags | http://people.freedesktop.org/~prashmohan/jhbuild-screencast-low.avi | 05:58 |
| dholbach | doko: what does apt-get say? | 05:58 |
| doko | dholbach: I'm updating OOo first ... | 05:58 |
| dholbach | ok | 05:58 |
| nags | http://www.0d.be/2006/07/25/integrating-ldtp-into-jhbuild/ | 05:58 |
| nags | http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/07/26/little-bits-of-awesomeness/ | 05:58 |
| nags | also we have automation scripts for Evolution and Gedit | 05:59 |
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| heno | nags: have you spoken with sfllaw, our testing guru? | 06:00 |
| nags | heno: no, let me ping him | 06:01 |
| sfllaw | Hi. | 06:01 |
| nags | sfllaw: Hi | 06:01 |
| nags | sfllaw: kindly go through my above messages :) | 06:01 |
| nags | heno: Thanks, guiding me :) | 06:02 |
| sfllaw | That's pretty neat. | 06:02 |
| sfllaw | cr3 has been looking into Autotest as of late. | 06:02 |
| sfllaw | Using the accessibility libraries to do automatic testing is an interesting idea. | 06:03 |
| nags | sfllaw: ya :) | 06:03 |
| sfllaw | You'll certainly find out whenever the accessibility stuff breaks! | 06:03 |
| nags | sfllaw: yes you are right | 06:04 |
| nags | sfllaw: we have filed some important bugs in bgo | 06:04 |
| nags | sfllaw: we would like to collaborate with Ubuntu team :) | 06:04 |
| sfllaw | That would be excellent! | 06:05 |
| nags | sfllaw: Kindly guide me, how to proceed in this regard... | 06:05 |
| sfllaw | Let me get you in touch with cr3 (Marc) who is doing lots of this automated testing stuff. | 06:05 |
| nags | sfllaw: okay | 06:05 |
| nags | sfllaw: Sure, thanks :) | 06:06 |
| sfllaw | Uhm. He's out to lunch. | 06:06 |
| sfllaw | Speaking of which, I should be doing that too. | 06:06 |
| sfllaw | :) | 06:06 |
| sfllaw | Will you be online for a while? | 06:06 |
| nags | sfllaw: sure :) | 06:06 |
| sfllaw | If not, e-mail marc.tardif@ubuntu.com | 06:06 |
| sfllaw | Ah, OK. | 06:06 |
| nags | sfllaw: I will wait :) | 06:06 |
| sfllaw | I've sent him a message. | 06:07 |
| sfllaw | He should join #ubuntu-devel when he gets back. | 06:07 |
| dholbach | which reminds me, i wanted to update dogtail again | 06:07 |
| sfllaw | Then we can talk. | 06:07 |
| sfllaw | Meanwhile, I have parcels to retrieve and groceries to buy. | 06:07 |
| nags | sfllaw: its just 9:25 PM here, I will go to sleep after 11:30 PM | 06:07 |
| sfllaw | Ah. | 06:07 |
| sfllaw | 12:07 here. | 06:07 |
| nags | sfllaw: sure, will wait... | 06:07 |
| nags | sfllaw: okay | 06:07 |
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| dholbach | can somebody of the buildd admins tell me why the totem 1.4.3-0ubuntu1 (dapper-updates) builds on sparc, amd64, powerpc, hppa broke because of libnautilus-extension-dev not being installable? | 06:23 |
| Lathiat | is libnautilus-extension-dev installable on hppa? | 06:23 |
| dholbach | doko: i think that's what you meant. ^ | 06:24 |
| dholbach | Lathiat: on amd64: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3718725/buildlog_ubuntu-dapper-amd64.totem_1.4.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 06:24 |
| Lathiat | dholbach: then what you said was confusing | 06:24 |
| Lathiat | ;p | 06:24 |
| dholbach | Lathiat: it's the same problem in all the cases - for some weird reason, it just worked on ia64 and i386 | 06:24 |
| dholbach | Lathiat: really? | 06:25 |
| Lathiat | oh i see | 06:25 |
| Lathiat | its ambiguous if you sortof skim read it | 06:25 |
| Lathiat | nvm :) | 06:25 |
| dholbach | ok | 06:25 |
| dholbach | :-) | 06:25 |
| Lathiat | i was reading "builds" as the act of building not the sortof "objects" of building | 06:26 |
| Lathiat | anyway.. ;) | 06:26 |
| dholbach | similar breakage of gnome-panel 2.14.3-0ubuntu1 on sparc | 06:26 |
| bddebian | Sparc? Who cares about Sparc? ;-P | 06:28 |
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| zul | sparc users and fabbione for one.. | 06:30 |
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| dholbach | the problem is, that it's dapper stable, not wonky edgy | 06:31 |
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| pitti | Riddell: can you please bzr the latest hal version? | 06:41 |
| pitti | Riddell: I'll try to sanitize the scripts in the near future | 06:41 |
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| Riddell | pitti: oh yes, forgot about that | 06:42 |
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| infinity | dholbach: Just looks like the uploads were poorly-timed. A retry of all of them seems to be working fine. | 06:46 |
| === dholbach hugs infinity ecstatically | ||
| dholbach | THANKS :) | 06:46 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, good idea. Maybe we just need to be hugging the archive admins every time a build goes through :-) | 06:53 |
| bddebian | :-) | 06:54 |
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| nags | cr3: Hi | 07:01 |
| cr3 | nags: hi | 07:01 |
| cr3 | sfllaw: did I miss everything? | 07:02 |
| nags | cr3: was chatting with sfllaw | 07:02 |
| nags | cr3: and I was telling him about LDTP and also would like to collaborate with Ubuntu team... | 07:02 |
| nags | brb | 07:03 |
| cr3 | nags: I am somewhat familiar with LDTP, only enough to have tried it to test firefox and gedit. I like how it works with accessibility to test applications programmatically, very cool project. | 07:07 |
| infinity | dholbach: All better now. Thanks for the heads-up. (That was breaking the livefs builds on powerpc too, I just noticed, so yay for fixing that) | 07:07 |
| === dholbach hugs infinity :) | ||
| dholbach | it's the HUG DAY | 07:08 |
| nags | cr3: Thanks :) | 07:08 |
| infinity | Laser_away: I'm not sure I could handle that many hugs. | 07:08 |
| infinity | Laser_away: And, really, I only have eyes for dholbach and mvo. | 07:08 |
| nags | cr3: Casanova did Tinderbox integration as part of GNOME + Google SoC. He has also completed basic sanity tests for Evolution | 07:09 |
| dholbach | hihi :) | 07:09 |
| cr3 | nags: nice! | 07:09 |
| nags | Casanova: ping | 07:11 |
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| seb128 | doko, dholbach: totem ftbfsed on some archs because of instability of nautilus (eel, nautilus have been updated to dapper-updates too and need to build first) | 07:38 |
| dholbach | seb128: infinity gave back and we're (soon) all good again. | 07:39 |
| doko | ok | 07:40 |
| dholbach | in the meantime we have to live with bugs like bug 54957 | 07:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54957 in totem "update totem (1.4.3-0ubuntu1) has broken totem-xine-firefox-plugin" [Medium,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54957 | 07:40 |
| Chipzz | seb128: how can totem ftbfsed because of instability of a GUI program? | 07:40 |
| seb128 | dholbach: ok, looks like I'm of no use nowadays around :p | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: and perhaps emails on -devel | 07:40 |
| Chipzz | how is a GUI program involved in building other programs? | 07:40 |
| thom | Chipzz: libnautilus | 07:40 |
| seb128 | Chipzz: nautilus has a libnautilus-extension | 07:40 |
| Chipzz | yes, but you should *link* to that, not run it... | 07:41 |
| doko | Kamion: please process ia32-libs-gtk for dapper-updates. sorry, I'm nagging, so I can announce the OOo 2.0.3 packages for testing ... | 07:41 |
| dholbach | seb128: what do you mean? | 07:41 |
| seb128 | Chipzz: I was speaking to people who understand what I say without have to type a 15 chars lib name long | 07:41 |
| seb128 | dholbach: every time sombody ask me I question you have replied before I read my IRC :p | 07:42 |
| seb128 | s/have/having | 07:42 |
| Chipzz | seb128: are you calling me stupid? | 07:42 |
| Chipzz | seb128: I have been building gnome from cvs since pre 2.0 | 07:42 |
| seb128 | Chipzz: "<Chipzz> how is a GUI program involved in building other programs?", obviously you didn't what I was saying | 07:43 |
| Chipzz | I *know* what libnautilus-extension is | 07:43 |
| Chipzz | seb128: that's because nautilus doesn't run during the build of totem | 07:43 |
| Chipzz | seb128: and because you *link* against libnautilus-extension, but you do not actually *run* the resulting program in the build | 07:44 |
| thom | Chipzz: you're aware that library api/abi can be unstable, right? | 07:44 |
| seb128 | Chipzz: as I said, I wrote nautilus because it's short than libnautilus-extension1 and people I was talking too understand what I mean by it | 07:44 |
| mjg59 | Let's try that upload one more time | 07:44 |
| Chipzz | seb128: what you said was wrong; you should have said *api* instability | 07:45 |
| seb128 | Chipzz: k, so make it clear for you "libnautilus-extension-dev needs to be installable to build totem because totem uses it for the audio,video properties page" | 07:45 |
| Kamion | seb128: nautilus is still in unapproved; do I need to process it urgently? | 07:45 |
| Chipzz | and when I ask clarification because *you* said something *wrong*, I prefer not to be called stupid | 07:45 |
| Chipzz | thank you very much | 07:45 |
| Chipzz | sjeesh | 07:45 |
| seb128 | Kamion: no, it should run fine with the eel2 which has been accepted | 07:45 |
| seb128 | Kamion: I've not looked into details yet, just came back and dholbach told it's alright now, I think it was just eel which built on i386 but not amd64 yet | 07:46 |
| seb128 | Chipzz: again, I was speaking to people who understand what I mean | 07:46 |
| Kamion | doko: libpixman1 was removed (though no changelog); was it moved to another ia32-libs-* package? if so, does that package need a Replaces? | 07:47 |
| doko | Kamion: no, it vanished to or came from universe. it shouldn't have been in the package in the first place. | 07:48 |
| Kamion | doko: fair enough - accepted | 07:49 |
| doko | the edgy package does have the changelog; forgot it here. | 07:49 |
| Chipzz | seb128: I normally DO understand; but what you said did not make much sense; ergo I ask for clarification | 07:49 |
| dholbach | rodarvus, fabbione, infinity: bug 54648 and bug 52657 would require your genius and X knowledge :-) | 07:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54648 in glade "glade-2 won't start, gives X BadValue error (edgy)" [Medium,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54648 | 07:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 52657 in evolution "X Windows error when running 2.7.4" [Medium,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52657 | 07:50 |
| doko | Kamion: what the best approach to compare package sizes between dapper-proposed and dapper-updates (if we decide to include it) | 07:50 |
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| seb128 | Chipzz: alright, no problem :) | 07:50 |
| rodarvus | dholbach, I've seen them | 07:56 |
| rodarvus | both bugs look quite strange :) | 07:56 |
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| doko | Kamion, Keybuk, mdz: approval of ia32-libs-scim in NEW for edgy would be nice as well for OOo testing | 07:56 |
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| pitti | does anyone feel responsible for the vmware-player-kernel-2.6.15 dapper-security upload? | 08:01 |
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| pitti | Changed-By: VMware Build Team <vmware-build@vmware.com> | 08:02 |
| === seb128 points mvo and dholbach | ||
| === dholbach points to mvo and BenC | ||
| mvo | pitti: I can do this | 08:03 |
| seb128 | see, mvo is the master | 08:03 |
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| pitti | mvo: this team is not really a team in launchpad | 08:03 |
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| pitti | mvo: do these guys really have upload privs to jackass, or did you sponsor this? | 08:04 |
| mvo | pitti: I just sponsor it | 08:04 |
| pitti | ok | 08:04 |
| pitti | mvo: it was a regression from the last kernel security update? | 08:04 |
| zul | pitti: yes me | 08:05 |
| zul | pitti: i uploaded it | 08:05 |
| pitti | ok | 08:05 |
| zul | it contains a fix for people who want to use module-assitant | 08:06 |
| === pitti releases it | ||
| mvo | zul: did you got it from vmware? is this the fix for #49924, | 08:08 |
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| zul | mvo: yes i got it from vmware | 08:08 |
| mvo | zul: ah, nice! so this is there version -9? | 08:09 |
| zul | i believe so, i was talking to kbyrd about it | 08:09 |
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| kbyrd | yes, it is. | 08:10 |
| mvo | nice, thanks zul, kbyrd | 08:10 |
| zul | no probs | 08:10 |
| kbyrd | Should I not put us in the changelog since we don't upload? | 08:11 |
| kbyrd | If someone could verify (besides me) and close that bug, I'd appreciate it. | 08:12 |
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| rubikcube | dunno if I'm right here, but is there a reason why in the LaTeX docs lshort is delivered only as pdf, not as dvi? | 08:16 |
| pitti | rubikcube: there's not much reason to ship the documentation in ten different formats IMHO | 08:17 |
| pitti | PDF should be fine as a default, and since the source is available, you can easily generate other formats if you wish | 08:18 |
| rubikcube | yes, but I thought that dvi should be the canonical format | 08:18 |
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| rubikcube | ok, I see, the dvi version seems to have font problems *hmpf* | 08:26 |
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| Riddell | how do I setup a locale in a chroot? | 08:28 |
| Riddell | dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't seem to do very much | 08:29 |
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| Kamion | Riddell: locale-gen <locale identifier> | 08:29 |
| bddebian | locale-gen.. | 08:29 |
| bddebian | Oh whoops | 08:29 |
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| bddebian | Shit I can't tell where I'm at on the merges list anymore.. :-( | 08:31 |
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| Riddell | thanks Kamion | 08:32 |
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| Kamion | doko: the copyright file for ia32-libs-scim is completely wrong; could you correct it? | 08:42 |
| doko | Kamion: ouch ... yes, copied from another package ... | 08:44 |
| doko | we should generate the copyright file ... | 08:44 |
| rodarvus | who usually sends the ubuntu-core-devel meeting announcements? | 08:44 |
| rodarvus | next one is 12 hours from now and there is no sign of it on ubuntu-devel-announce@ yet | 08:45 |
| ogra_thin | rodarvus, sfllaw iirc | 08:48 |
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| sfllaw | I do. | 08:50 |
| sfllaw | I just got back from the post office. | 08:50 |
| sfllaw | And it's about time to. | 08:50 |
| rodarvus | nice, thanks! | 08:51 |
| bluefoxicy | so 1) wtf bootloader is on the Dapper CDs; 2) Why doesn't Grub look that freaking leet | 08:54 |
| Kamion | 1) syslinux+gfxboot 2) because we haven't ported the grub/gfxboot patches from suse yet | 08:54 |
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| Kamion | and would require some care not to conflict with quieten-grub anyway | 08:55 |
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| bluefoxicy | Kamion: ah. | 09:00 |
| ogra | Kamion, if you dont mind, i just uploaded a new willowng to the NEW queue, would you take a look ? | 09:11 |
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| ogra_thin | hmm, why can i exec update-manager as unprivileged user ? and why is it even in the menu ? | 09:31 |
| rubikcube | ogra_thin: can you also actually update something? | 09:33 |
| ogra_thin | i'm up to date, but i can hit refresh and it works ... | 09:34 |
| ogra_thin | it doesnt from the commandline though | 09:34 |
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| ogra_thin | but well, i'll wait until mvo returns | 09:35 |
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| msikma | Hey guys. I'm a participant of the Ubuntu Artwork team and would like to edit a metacity theme to propose changes to the default Human style for Edgy. But I've never done it before. Anybody know any good documentation on it? | 09:39 |
| dholbach | msikma: you could check some of the existing themes | 09:40 |
| dholbach | about documentation, i don't know, sorry | 09:40 |
| ogra_thin | i think havoc pennington had a nice howto, but i dont know how recent it is | 09:40 |
| msikma | Yeah, I downloaded a nice theme called Chiro which I would like to fool around with. It's just a window border. It appears to be an XML file, but it's still not quite straightforward. | 09:40 |
| ogra_thin | http://developer.gnome.org/doc/tutorials/metacity/metacity-themes.html | 09:41 |
| msikma | Thanks! | 09:41 |
| ogra_thin | but beware that might be very old | 09:42 |
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| mikearthur | 2.6.17-5.16 = kernel source 2.6.17.16 or 2.6.17.5? | 09:42 |
| msikma | This is _very_ nice. Even if it's old, it will come in handy. | 09:42 |
| msikma | Ah, copyright 2002. | 09:42 |
| gnomefreak | mikearthur: first you asked in 3 channels each channel is the wrong place to ask. 2nd this is not a support channel. Please join #ubuntu+1 and ask | 09:44 |
| mikearthur | gnomefreak: sorry, thanks | 09:44 |
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| dholbach | have a nice evening | 09:53 |
| zul | c ya dholbach | 09:54 |
| dholbach | bye zul | 09:55 |
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| pitti | Kamion: ping | 10:06 |
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| Kamion | ogra: willowng done | 10:15 |
| Kamion | pitti: yes? | 10:15 |
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| pitti | Kamion: the new langpacks for dapper are finally in the archive | 10:16 |
| pitti | Kamion: and I did a size comparison chart | 10:16 |
| pitti | http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/langpacksize-dapper.txt <= original CDs | 10:16 |
| pitti | http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/langpacksize-dapper-newbase-20060801.txt <= current langpacks | 10:16 |
| pitti | Kamion: so, luckily they didn't grow too much | 10:17 |
| Kamion | about 3MB up on the set we use for the CDs :-/ | 10:17 |
| pitti | Kamion: the top 11 languages grew by 2.5 MB | 10:17 |
| pitti | yep, we probably have to drop one | 10:17 |
| Kamion | yeah, silbs didn't seem happy with that possibility | 10:17 |
| mjg59 | Could people test the latest usplash? | 10:17 |
| pitti | Kamion: however, it is difficult to know in advance since I don't know the size diff of the other packages | 10:17 |
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| Kamion | I did a build this morning, IIRC after I accepted those langpacks | 10:18 |
| pitti | Kamion: will we roll a test CD before the official one? | 10:18 |
| pitti | Kamion: oh, the packs didn't enter the archive until some hours ago | 10:18 |
| pitti | building them took some time | 10:18 |
| pitti | Kamion: test CD so that we can precisely calculate how many to drop | 10:18 |
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| crimsun | mjg59: as in suspend-to-{disk,ram} -> resume? I can try in a bit. | 10:19 |
| mjg59 | crimsun: Well, whether it works at all to begin with :) | 10:19 |
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| Kamion | hmm, no, I caught it in the middle | 10:19 |
| Kamion | pitti: kicking off livefs builds now | 10:20 |
| pitti | Kamion: ok, then I'll adjust the seeds accordingly tomorrow morning? | 10:22 |
| Kamion | mdz: could I get a judgement call from you? we may have to drop German language packs from the powerpc desktop CD for the dapper point release | 10:22 |
| Kamion | mdz: silbs didn't seem massively happy about it, but I can't think what else to do | 10:23 |
| mdz | Kamion: what grew? | 10:23 |
| pitti | mdz: mainly the langpacks themselves | 10:23 |
| pitti | by 2.5 MB for en to de (top 11) | 10:23 |
| mdz | ah, hmm | 10:23 |
| Kamion | I already dropped xh | 10:23 |
| Kamion | but that wasn't all that big | 10:23 |
| mdz | Kamion: it doesn't bother me if we need to drop it | 10:23 |
| mdz | only powerpc, right? | 10:23 |
| pitti | not that we had much choice :) | 10:24 |
| Kamion | i386 can be rescued easily (it has lots of langpacks); xh de are next in line for amd64 | 10:24 |
| Kamion | mdz: I'm not sure | 10:24 |
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| Kamion | mdz: apparently powerpc had problems burning for some people even in dapper; it was below what I understood the real size limit to be, but above 700MB, and I've had reports of some software/media (unsure which) not liking that | 10:24 |
| mjg59 | mdz: I stuffed the necessary svgalib stuff in usplash, so we can drop the main inclusion | 10:24 |
| pitti | mjg59: *hug* | 10:25 |
| mdz | mjg59: I saw, thank you | 10:25 |
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| mdz | mjg59: did you and/or Keybuk sort out the device node issue? | 10:25 |
| Kamion | but if you check http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20060802/, they're all a bit over | 10:25 |
| mjg59 | mdz: Oh, good point | 10:25 |
| mjg59 | mdz: No, I had a locally hacked script here | 10:25 |
| mjg59 | I'll fix that for the next upload | 10:25 |
| Kamion | that's with old l-p-*-base and new l-p-* though due to an accident of timing, which is pretty much pessimal | 10:25 |
| pitti | Kamion: oh, btw, will we do new alternate images, too? | 10:25 |
| Kamion | pitti: yes, already started building those | 10:26 |
| Kamion | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20060802/ | 10:26 |
| Kamion | no size problems there for Ubuntu at least | 10:26 |
| pitti | they look good | 10:26 |
| pitti | Kamion: ok, I'll look at the latest ones tomorrow morning and adjust | 10:26 |
| Kamion | I might need to try to engineer a different build directory for dapper - it would really be preferable to keep building edgy at the moment | 10:27 |
| Kamion | anyway, I need to go offline for a short while to test why my phone line is non-functional; if I don't come back, then it's more hosed than I'm hoping ... | 10:27 |
| Kamion | oh, whoops, can't do that while the livefses are building, so postponed ... | 10:27 |
| pitti | Kamion: no screen? :) | 10:28 |
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| lamont | Kamion: will the new dapper ppc iso be one that I can burn onto 700MB media using dapper? | 10:32 |
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| gnomefreak | who updated the usplash? | 10:40 |
| HiddenWolf | that'd be mjg59 | 10:41 |
| gnomefreak | it died | 10:42 |
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| Kamion | lamont: that's the plan ... | 10:43 |
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| Kamion | pitti: more relevantly I didn't ssh somewhere ex-ADSL before kicking off the six subsidiary ssh connections | 10:43 |
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| Kamion | bddebian: FWIW you don't need to mention that Ubuntu changes can be dropped if the current Ubuntu version doesn't contain "ubuntu"; the sync script ignores buildN | 10:51 |
| Kamion | Ubuntu changes <=> version contains "ubuntu" | 10:52 |
| bddebian | Kamion: OK, sorry | 10:52 |
| Kamion | no need to be sorry, as it doesn't cause us extra work if you do say that; I just wanted to save you the effort of saying it in future :-) | 10:53 |
| bddebian | Well I actually ran across one where someone changed a build dep but still called it buildX :-( | 10:54 |
| Kamion | bddebian: lovely | 10:55 |
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| Kamion | that can be ok if you're absolutely certain that it can be synced next time, I guess, but it's not very good form | 10:55 |
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| cjb | Hi. Is there any chance of getting -mtune=generic support in edgy's gcc? | 10:55 |
| bddebian | Aye | 10:55 |
| icecrash | hi | 10:55 |
| bddebian | Hello icecrash | 10:56 |
| icecrash | i'm currently working on a customized server image | 10:56 |
| icecrash | having problems with cdimage | 10:56 |
| icecrash | anyone with deeper experience in that? | 10:56 |
| icecrash | two problems exists | 10:57 |
| icecrash | during the anonymous ftp sync, the rsync process will not sync the dists part of the ubuntu archive, so the debian-installer part that follows fails | 10:58 |
| icecrash | do I have a chance to work with this suite with a partly mirror only containing i386 debs? | 10:59 |
| Kamion | icecrash: what do you mean "will not sync"? | 11:00 |
| Kamion | it syncs the entire archive in the first pass | 11:00 |
| icecrash | so I thought | 11:00 |
| icecrash | I setupped a partly mirror with | 11:00 |
| Kamion | it may well make sense to do it with debmirror or something plus a few custom rsyncs - anonftpsync in there is just what we use inside the datacentre where bandwidth isn't a huge issue | 11:01 |
| Kamion | debmirror and manually sync in dists/blah/main/installer-* | 11:01 |
| icecrash | debmirror ${LOCAL_ARCHIVE} --progress --host=${REMOTE_SERVER} \ | 11:02 |
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| icecrash | --root=${REMOTE_ROOT} --dist=${DISTS} --section=${SECTIONS} \ | 11:02 |
| icecrash | --method=rsync --arch=${ARCHES} -v --nomd5sums | 11:02 |
| icecrash | syncing against fr.archive.ubuntu.com | 11:03 |
| Kamion | you might need a few --ignore options as well - debian-cd will probably want you to rsync in doc, indices, tools | 11:03 |
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| Kamion | been a while (> 2 years) since I did this using my local mirror though :-) | 11:03 |
| icecrash | ok, but I have no probs to sync more than I need | 11:04 |
| icecrash | :) | 11:04 |
| Kamion | right, but it's nice not to clobber the datacentre with excess load during a week where we're pushing out a lot of dapper updates | 11:04 |
| icecrash | syncing for dists=dapper,dapper-updates,dapper-security | 11:04 |
| Kamion | though you could always pull from a mirror | 11:04 |
| Kamion | (and probably should, if possible) | 11:04 |
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| icecrash | ok | 11:04 |
| pygi | anyone could poke for me do we get shared libs with libburn package? | 11:05 |
| mjg59 | So, what should I do about resolution setting in the NEW! IMPROVED! usplash? | 11:10 |
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| Chipzz | new, improved, AND invisible! | 11:10 |
| Chipzz | s/invisible/broken/ :P | 11:11 |
| mjg59 | Well, currently | 11:11 |
| mjg59 | But that's not the point | 11:11 |
| Chipzz | so what /is/ the point? ;) | 11:11 |
| mjg59 | < mjg59> So, what should I do about resolution setting in the NEW! IMPROVED! usplash? | 11:11 |
| gnomefreak | it looked small on shutdown and not there on boot | 11:12 |
| mc44 | keep it at 640x400 just for kicks | 11:12 |
| Chipzz | well if I'ld know what you meant... ;) | 11:12 |
| Chipzz | gnomefreak: exactly ;) | 11:12 |
| mjg59 | The resolutions it can use on x86 and amd64 are limited to the ones in the vesa bios | 11:12 |
| pygi | gnomefreak, any chance you could look for me? my upstream build system fails to build shared libs and seems like debian packages does | 11:12 |
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| pygi | bleh =P | 11:13 |
| mjg59 | So should we (a) stick to something fairly safe like 800x600, or (b) grab the closest to the X configuration? | 11:13 |
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| pygi | mjg59, a :) | 11:13 |
| gnomefreak | b | 11:13 |
| ^ohoel | I see there's a new sled-menu-ish project going on the forums | 11:14 |
| gnomefreak | b = safest way that way as long as they have X they should beable to view it | 11:14 |
| gnomefreak | pygi: what did you want me to do? | 11:14 |
| bluefoxicy | mjg59: stick to something 800x600 and make it use a million colors :D | 11:14 |
| pygi | gnomefreak, check if we get shared libs with libburn package :) | 11:14 |
| mjg59 | Colour depth is an uninteresting problem | 11:14 |
| bluefoxicy | mjg59: actually I've been admiring Gentoo's 2006.0 install CD. It switches into a graphical boot-up with icons like MacOS used to show | 11:15 |
| bluefoxicy | and the graphic is ... well, eye candy :P | 11:15 |
| mjg59 | This is also an uninteresting issue right now | 11:15 |
| bluefoxicy | MASSIVE eye candy | 11:15 |
| mjg59 | I provide mechanism, not policy | 11:16 |
| bluefoxicy | ah | 11:16 |
| mc44 | mjg59: cant you just steal the resolution from whatever is in xorg conf? | 11:16 |
| bluefoxicy | why not provide mechanism for (b) with a mechanism to override | 11:16 |
| gnomefreak | you get nothing with it pygi | 11:16 |
| mjg59 | mc44: I can | 11:16 |
| Chipzz | but why use X? X can take several seconds to start... | 11:16 |
| mjg59 | Chipzz: What? | 11:16 |
| pygi | gnomefreak, bleh, oki :P | 11:16 |
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| crimsun | mjg59: I think it's early enough that stealing the resolution is worth trying. | 11:17 |
| Chipzz | mjg59: you read what I said | 11:17 |
| mjg59 | Chipzz: We're not using X | 11:17 |
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| Chipzz | mjg59: I thought that was under consideration? | 11:17 |
| mjg59 | Chipzz: No | 11:17 |
| Chipzz | apologies then | 11:17 |
| Amaranth | mjg59: I would think using a resolution from xorg.conf would be good | 11:18 |
| bluefoxicy | heh, I suggested on -devel@ using Kdrive's VESA server for graphical boot-up | 11:18 |
| Chipzz | mjg59: btw, what you said about vesa is incorrect btw | 11:18 |
| Amaranth | mjg59: you know the monitor can show those resolutions | 11:18 |
| mjg59 | Chipzz: Which bit? | 11:18 |
| bluefoxicy | and someone was like" If I get X I'm drawing a log-in screen" | 11:18 |
| dabear | hi, just on question, does edgy's metacity have composite enabled? | 11:18 |
| Amaranth | dabear: no, it's buggy | 11:18 |
| Chipzz | svgalib can use modelines in the same format as X uses them, to get arbitrary resolutions | 11:18 |
| mjg59 | Chipzz: Not through vesa | 11:18 |
| mjg59 | Or, at least, not on most vesa systems | 11:19 |
| mjg59 | Very little implements GTF | 11:19 |
| Chipzz | mjg59: vesa is also a mostly a non-issue | 11:19 |
| mjg59 | Chipzz: WTF are you talking about? | 11:19 |
| Chipzz | what you are referring to is actually vesa 2.0 | 11:19 |
| mjg59 | Yes | 11:19 |
| gnomefreak | vesa is the most widely used | 11:19 |
| Chipzz | vesa 1.2 (which a lot of older cards use) is not at all usable | 11:19 |
| mjg59 | Which is pretty much all that's widely implemented | 11:19 |
| mjg59 | Chipzz: Practically any piece of hardware that can run Ubuntu has VBE 2.0 | 11:20 |
| mjg59 | (or greater) | 11:20 |
| Chipzz | mjg59: all 1MB and 2MB trident and trio etc cards implement vesa 1.2 | 11:20 |
| mjg59 | I'm utterly failing to care | 11:20 |
| mjg59 | Especially since svgalib can cope with segmented framebuffers /anyway/ | 11:20 |
| Chipzz | and on the cards that do support vesa, you have framebuffer drivers too (so can use directfb or such) | 11:20 |
| mjg59 | Chipzz: No, we /don't/ | 11:21 |
| mjg59 | Because then suspend/resume stops working | 11:21 |
| Chipzz | ugh :/ | 11:21 |
| mjg59 | Since almost none of them know how to reprogram the framebuffer from scratch | 11:22 |
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| mjg59 | So doing this without a framebuffer is massively preferable right now | 11:24 |
| mc44 | mjg59: will you need to have lots of artwork at different resolutions if you nick the value from X? | 11:26 |
| dabear | is there any written standard on what has to be done on a product to increment the main/second version number? | 11:26 |
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| mjg59 | mc44: We'll see | 11:27 |
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| doko | Kamion: uploaded ia32-libs-scim_2 again with the updated copyright. seems, that *nobody* did update *any* of the ia32-libs* packages that after the initial creation of the package :-/ | 11:46 |
| Kamion | ok, thanks | 11:47 |
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| Kamion | will look tonight | 11:47 |
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