=== mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] pitti: cool === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:14] good night guys [12:15] night dholbach [12:18] Keybuk: w.r.t. email, it is possible, if the person actually sees it. and its' easier to keep track of pacakages if you're only uploading a few at a time. [12:18] Keybuk: not trying to keep track of many. [12:19] night dholbach === pounk [n=pounkf@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] Hobbsee: i will help out as much as i can with kubuntu (just let me know) [12:20] gnomefreak: your bugwork stuff is great :) [12:20] means i dont have to do it [12:20] ;) [12:20] Hobbsee: i have a few you can take if you want them (me and backtraces are not friends today) [12:21] gnomefreak: eh. me neither. === gnomefreak really needs to figure out a workaround with ff in kde [12:22] and thunderbird [12:22] gnomefreak: workaround? [12:22] fonts [12:22] it only shows first few letters of a row [12:23] I've a package which just needs a rebuild because of an ABI change. should I mail infinity ? upload a -XXXbuild1 package ? file a bug ? [12:23] *shit* === Hobbsee is now really really late! [12:23] for some reason i can only duplicate it in mozilla engines [12:23] get your butt to class, Hobbsee ;) === gnomefreak doesnt code hence the workaround comment [12:24] heh === Hobbsee wonders what class is even on. [12:24] math [12:24] lol [12:24] ok brb let me boot kde and see if i cant find out more info on this before bed === _TomB [n=ownt@ACD81603.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] pitti: got a brief question about dhclient, if you have a few moments === mat__ [n=mat@82.247.157.187] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] Keybuk: as long as it's not too difficult, sure :) [12:27] the dhclient hooks are run as root, even though the daemon is de-rooted to run as dhcp, yes? [12:27] right, they have to === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] and there's an apparent, but unconfirmed/debugged bug where sometimes this doesn't happen? [12:28] Keybuk: yep, ISTR reading about some 'permission denied' bug === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] Keybuk: most of them were killed with a fix in dapper [12:28] Keybuk: but it's entirely possible that some corner case is still present === geser [n=michael@85.25.108.1] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mc44 [n=rddpr@ip-81-170-10-121.cust.homechoice.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:29] okies [12:29] then dhcdbd doesn't need permission for the dhcp user to talk to it [12:30] 'it' being the daemon or the script? [12:30] mdz: I think perhaps doko uploaded a broken matplolib to -updates universe, is it better to leave it for him or upload a fixed package? [12:30] pitti: dhcdbd dcaemon [12:30] ah [12:31] Keybuk: no, I do not see a reason why dhclient should talk to dhcdbd [12:32] LaserJock: someone in #ubuntu is asking about that package [12:32] gnomefreak: oh really? [12:32] yeah [12:33] tell him its being worked on? === gort [n=jgbiggs@cpe-24-175-10-187.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lemsto [n=lemsto@ANantes-154-1-13-237.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] is there a vari [01:04] is there a variable with the name of the source package I can use in debian/rules? === azeem [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] Laser_away: don't ping and start talking about the topic 4h later ... :-( if you do have a fix for a problem, please file a bug report (if there isn't one already) and attach a patch [01:08] doko: sorry === FunnyHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === val314159_ [n=chatzill@user-0ccsqmg.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === val314159_ is now known as val314159 === icmp [n=icmp_@unaffiliated/icmp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] doko: debdiff at malone bug #54821, thanks [01:53] Malone bug 54821 in matplotlib "python-matplotlib won't install" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54821 === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nix4me [n=nix4me@49.104.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:32] infinity: libassuan-dev doesn't seem to have been moved to main [02:32] although the source package has === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:39] Riddell: doesn't look as though anyone has explicitly promoted it [02:39] the source is probably "wrong" [02:41] fixed [02:43] did anything take the place of pd-externals? [02:43] gnomefreak: No. [02:44] Howdy [02:44] gnomefreak: Did you read the bug? [02:44] is openoffice all borken for anyone else? [02:44] (I've got some dependency hell going on in edgy) [02:44] TheMuso: yes and i would like to close it [02:44] TheMuso: thats why im asking [02:44] Right. [02:45] floam: it will be fixed soon [02:45] soon = not today give it a few days [02:46] gnomefreak: I don't mind it being broke, I just worry when I think I could be the only one [02:47] floam: everyone had it broke you have to remove every OOo package and reinstall openoffice.org (iirc) [02:48] TheMuso: i went ahead and closed it due to you gave him all info he wanted (i miss read the last line about the CVS) [02:48] Ok. === val314159_ [n=chatzill@user-0ccsqmg.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DBE54.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] gnomefreak: ah removing it all at the same time did seem to cure it [02:54] Thanks Keybuk [02:56] :) [02:56] you can tell I'm avoiding work [02:57] I can? === Keybuk finishes doing a little anastacia tidying [02:57] that's the best thing about being on the ubuntu-archive team; you have hours of entirely legitimate work that can be done instead of whatever it was you were supposed to be doing and are procrastinating about [02:58] oh hey Keybuk [02:58] Ah, I see. And here I was feeling bad about all the sync requests [02:58] bddebian: *shrug* provided they're in alphabetical order, I don't mind ;) [02:58] Heh [02:58] (makes it easier to cut and paste the output into the bug report) === anselmolsm [n=anselmo@200-232-237-151.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anselmolsm [n=anselmo@200-232-237-151.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === anselmolsm [n=anselmo@200-232-237-151.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tortoise__ [n=tortoise@81-86-105-156.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anselmolsm [n=anselmo@200-232-237-151.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] Keybuk: xen adds a udev rule is it ok to call it 92-xen-backend.rules? [03:11] I'd choose 95- if it loads modules. [03:11] has anyone figured out who's mess the double-swap thing is or what happens if you enter that second swap device? [03:11] zul: what does the rule do? [03:11] it loads the bridges needed for networking and the block devices needed [03:12] bluefoxicy: "double swap thing" ? [03:12] zul: loads modules? then 95 [03:12] Keybuk: swapon -a [03:12] Keybuk: err, sorry. swapon -s [03:12] Keybuk: ok [03:12] bluefoxicy: ? [03:12] bluefoxicy: bug#? === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] Keybuk: whatever your swap device is, i'ts /dev/ and /dev/evms/ that get loaded now due to the UUID thing in fstab bug #54753 [03:13] Malone bug 54753 in Ubuntu "Edgy double-adds swap" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54753 [03:13] bluefoxicy: oh yeah [03:13] bluefoxicy: what was the fix for that? or just wait? [03:13] hey Keybuk [03:14] evms is the sux0r [03:14] Keybuk: as far as I know, nobody has yet been brave enough to get Linux to start writing into the second swap device; I would imagine it'd be about the computer equivalent of sliding a lit M80 up your rectum === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] bluefoxicy: with or without lubricant? [03:15] mmm...bottom === jdub wonders if bug #1 is special cased in launchpad ;) [03:15] Malone bug 1 in ubuntu-desktop "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [03:15] Keybuk: mmm... I don't think it makes much of a difference when the fuse burns down. [03:15] jdub: FYI http://70.29.57.2/ubuntu/xen.png [03:15] bluefoxicy: it's obvious who broke it [03:16] just not obvious who has the skillz to fix it === bddebian gives Keybuk some more "non-work" [03:16] Keybuk: well, there are multiple theories over here. [03:16] Keybuk: 1) whoever converted fstab should have tested this first [03:16] there are? who? [03:16] Keybuk: 2) Removing evms fixes it, maybe this is a mount problem. [03:16] sigh [03:16] person who did the fstab conversion explicitly didn't test evms, lvm, raid, etc. and said as much [03:16] Keybuk: 3) the KERNEL should probably figure out that these are the same device and not let us doi t. [03:16] zul: oh, btw, i booted the xen kernel this morning [03:16] and? === bddebian pokes tseng [03:17] because person who did the fstab conversion knows fuck all about them and doesn't care for them either === tseng pokes bluefoxicy [03:17] er.. bddebian [03:17] #2 is true, evms is not installed in new edgy installs anyway [03:17] Keybuk: nods. they were in Breezy or Dapper, so upgrades are likely to see this. [03:17] zul: is there an ubuntu-xen channel to chat aobut it in? or ubuntu-kernel? [03:17] but as you say, the upgrade path needs to cope here [03:17] ubuntu-kernel works [03:17] this will probably be fixed at the dev summit [03:18] when the person who cares about the fabbione filesystems can sit next to the person who did the uuid mounting [03:18] jdub: however i was just about to run to the store [03:18] Hey if I'm too useless to be a core-dev, can I at least get op in here? ;-) [03:18] Keybuk: yeah. My thinking is somewhere along the line either mount or the kernel needs to say "uh uh no screw that" when you double-add a swap dev. [03:18] bluefoxicy: *nods* the migration needs to special-case evms and lvm I suspect [03:18] ^also [03:18] zul: ok, ping me when you're around - i was about to grab lunch, too :) [03:19] Hobbsee: btw, uninstall evms (and reboot) or swapoff the second swap device (each time you boot), or both. That'll get rid of it. [03:20] we've got an open task to patch mount to use libvolume_id instead of libblkid [03:20] no idea whether that fixes it or not [03:20] bluefoxicy: oh nice. want to tell me why it's being installed on my system anyway? [03:20] Hobbsee: was installed by default in dapper, no longer in edgy [03:20] Hobbsee: evms? it was in breezy and/or dapper [03:20] Keybuk: ah good. i dist-upgraded [03:20] will somebody get itunes working in Ubuntu JESUS [03:21] my mom is screaming about crap on windows again, I just want to stick Linux on there so she can go away >< === joshuapurcell [n=joshua_p@c-67-174-81-74.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] bluefoxicy: i thought people were doing stuff with that. amarok handles it better [03:21] back in a few minutes. [03:23] thanks for the warning [03:28] Keybuk: mdz if now-ish is a suitable time to discuss what happens with uploads to main, etc, that's cool here. === Hobbsee wont be going home till she's feeling insane. it's not worth it. === pounk [n=pounkf@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:35] jdub: ping im back [03:39] tseng: stop poking meeeeeeeeee === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.88.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lane [n=joshua_p@c-67-174-81-74.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:07] Riddell: Sorry about that. I did a source+binary promotion, and soyuz appears to not believe that that binary belongs to that source... [04:08] infinity: you forgot to move it on the queue page too then === Hobbsee wonders what that was about. [04:08] Keybuk: It was 3am, give me a break. :) [04:09] Keybuk: At any rate, the soyuz bug is clearly still there. Bah. [04:09] infinity: fix it. even at 3am :P [04:19] Can we get edgy+1 as a spec target on launchpad? [04:19] robertj: probably ask that in #launchpad [04:19] I thought about that, just though it was probably more a policy question [04:20] but if noone feels strongly, I'll file a bug [04:24] Bug #54869 [04:24] Malone bug 54869 in Ubuntu "edgy+1 needed as a release target for spec drafting" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54869 [04:25] robertj: package effected for that should be launchpad === Hobbsee fixes is [04:25] *it [04:26] s/launchpad/blueprint/ [04:26] oh. wait. i assigned it wrong. i thought you could assign things to launchpad [04:26] ahhh... [04:27] infinity: who renamed that so unintuitively? :P [04:27] blueprint is the name of the spec tracker. [04:27] right [04:27] "launchpad" isn't a product at all, just a service that ties them all together. [04:27] news to me. [04:27] yep, true [04:27] blueprint, soyuz, malone, etc. [04:28] robertj: that would be an incorrect bug ... we don't use the spec targets until they have been approved [04:28] infinity: one problem anyway. there's no way to assign anything to blueprint [04:28] and specs for edgy+1 wont be approved until the edgy+1 development summit [04:28] which happens after edgy+1 has opened [04:29] ah [04:29] Hobbsee: Because it's not an ubuntu package. You need to add a new task for the product. [04:29] ah [04:29] Hobbsee: Of course, as Keybuk mentions, it's probably pointless anyway. [04:29] well, yeah, but it's useful to know. [04:29] I think the blueprint targets are also just the list of releases for the distro [04:30] Reassigning a bug from a package to a product is less than intuitive, yes. [04:30] and there's no way to open a edgy+1 release without closing edgy [04:30] Add new task, reject original task. === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:30] Keybuk: That's not true, we can have multiple open dists at the same time. Of course, we don't WANT that. [04:31] infinity: right === lane [n=joshua_p@c-67-174-81-74.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joshuapurcell [n=joshua_p@c-67-174-81-74.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:41] zul: pong [04:42] jdub: i was just about to head to bed but i can stay for a bit longer [04:42] :) [04:42] won't keep you long [04:42] ok [04:42] afternoon jdub [04:42] you konw about the TLS-related 5s delay message? [04:42] yep.. [04:42] im working jeff to fix it === ajmitch has complained about that one already [04:43] its glibc and xen thingy [04:43] next..:) [04:44] next to be fixed is my wireless with that kernel :) [04:44] zul: we're definitely not going to have a single linux/xen for edgy? [04:44] zul: got a git tree of that kernel that you're working from? [04:44] correct.. [04:45] ajmitch: working on it this weekend hopefully [04:45] ok [04:45] zul: which is the scarier side of the fence - patching a kernel so it'll run on xen (domU), or patching a kernel so it can be a dom0? [04:45] then I can try & ram ipw2200 in [04:46] jdub: its a config option, dom0 kernels can do both but i was thinking of supplying a domU kernel as well [04:47] zul: right, but it requires scary patching to make our linux-image dom0 capable? [04:47] jdub: yes, edgy kernel uses a different alt-smp than that of the xen-kernel [04:47] and upstream is based off of 2.6.16.13 [04:48] ahr [04:48] scary [04:48] very...and very masochistic [04:48] i was about to say ;) === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:49] uh, now i've forgotten the other things [04:49] i'll play with it again and ping you when you're up :) [04:49] and there was a modificaton to kernel-package to get the naming correct [04:49] jdub: ok i just uploaded a -3 xen-utils and in the process of upload a -4 kernel [04:50] my isp is going to love me this month ;) [04:50] jdub: oh yes if you were going to ask for grub, debian has a patch for update-grub already [04:51] mine already loves me lots.. [04:51] rad [04:51] zul: does the -4 kernel create the initramfs? === ajmitch uploads new xgl crack [04:51] no it doesnt...debian doesnt as well [04:51] ok [04:51] afaik [04:52] there should be really a #ubuntu-xen meh...anyways im going to bed...night [04:52] yeah [04:52] night === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] zul: planning to do lrm packages for xen-image? [04:53] uh...good question..to get nvidia working with xen is kind of hackish from what i read [04:53] jdub: proprietary drivers like nvidia tend not to play nicely with xen === jdub was mostly worried about wifi ;) [04:53] heh [04:53] should be possible, I guess === ajmitch should take a look at it [04:54] my poor laptop is tethered again by ethernet [04:54] it's a pity there are so many infrastructural changes that need to be made [04:54] making it hard to backport for dapper [04:56] right this time im going to bed.. [04:56] There's been a VERY LOUD fire alarm going off down the street for the last half hur. [04:56] s/hur/hour/ [04:57] I'm nearly ready to kill. [04:57] infinity: bb gun --> speaker [04:57] heh [04:58] jdub: if you have any questions feel free to email me [05:01] infinity: you would have gone nuts here at the weekend [05:01] some kids burned down the local sub station [05:01] bb gun? pfft, 20 Gauge [05:01] and for the first few hours of the power outage every single house alarm for miles was going off [05:02] heh [05:02] with no power [05:03] assumedly they get their power from elsewhere [05:03] speaking of power, my computer is on a UPS. It's required. [05:04] ajmitch: whoa, xgl update [05:04] When my AC kicks in it can knock the power out because I have more power drain up here (FROM ONE SOCKET MIND YOU) than the breaker allows. (a wall -> 6 way splitter; a UPS; a power strip; another power strip) [05:04] so my UPS goes down and relieves the load for about 3 seconds :P [05:05] jdub: correct [05:05] I thought I may as well get it out there & get the bugreports flooding in === anselmolsm [n=anselmo@200-232-237-151.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] jdub: f-spot also added to desktop seed in the bzr branch, just need to get ubuntu-meta updating properly [05:06] ajmitch: cool [05:09] *sigh* [05:09] now my hardphone is deciding it doesn't like the network every few minutes [05:10] hi Keybuk [05:10] Why are there buildX versions that didn't get synced automagically? [05:10] Heya whiprush [05:10] hi bddebian, others ... [05:10] bddebian: debian may have updated after the autosync was turned off [05:10] hey whiprush [05:11] hmm, there's half a dozen firmware updates for my hardphone [05:11] maybe one of those helps ... === Keybuk reads the release noets [05:11] Keybuk: man dude, I bet 20 bucks you get hosed on network-manager syncage again this cycle. [05:11] whiprush: how do you mean? [05:12] ajmitch: Fair enough, thx [05:12] major release at the most crappy times. [05:12] I'm largely ignoring network-manager this cycle [05:13] wotcha working on? [05:14] upstart [05:14] heh [05:14] I just remembered the dash thing [05:14] Keybuk: make StevenK do it :P === Kaleo [n=Kaleo@ARC1PPP23.dialup.hull.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:16] Hello guys [05:18] Hello Kaleo [05:18] Hi bddebian === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] bddebian, do you know who usually hacks on ubiquity ? [05:26] Not really, sorry [05:26] Kaleo: Kamion [05:27] okay [05:36] jdub, thanks === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dudus [n=dudus@200.246.22.208] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A620F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pounk [n=pounkf@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-69-236-121-248.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:42] I'm upgrading to edgy, so I can help squash bugs... is updating sources.list and doing apt-get dist-upgrade sufficient (actually, it's already underway...)? [06:43] micahcowan: yes [06:44] great. Next question: it's halting because it wants /usr/X11R6/bin to be a symlink, so it wants me to move it out of the way. I figure it might be easier if the contents of that dir are already where they're going to be, perhaps... what is /usr/X11R6/bin going to point at (it didn't seem to say)? [06:45] micahcowan: --> #ubuntu+1 [06:45] oh, great. Thanks! === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-69-236-121-248.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [06:58] hrm [06:58] genius is not in ubuntu [06:59] jdub: should it be? [06:59] yeah, totally [07:00] we have no genius? === jdub packages it as a birthday present for maia === Zomb [n=eb@x118.rhrk.uni-kl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang wonders if upgrading today will break X. [07:36] probably :) === raphink wonders if security.u.c is down again [07:39] reachable for me. [07:40] works for me too [07:48] yes that works now :) [07:49] it just took quite a long tim [07:49] time === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-189-105.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@81.16.227.227] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0137.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:40] ogra: hellas! you might want to look into http://download.gnome.org/sources/genius/0.7/ [08:40] might be something for the edubuntu world [08:41] you just missed 00:58 < jdub> genius is not in ubuntu 01:00 * jdub packages it as a birthday present for maia [08:41] WOW [08:42] jdub: WAY TO GO !!! === Zdra [n=zdra@87.65.103.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A6677A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:48] dholbach: ha ha [08:50] ah ah ? === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach hugs jdub [08:54] ogra: how did gnome-screensaver 2.14.3 look? === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === noodle_soup [n=qun@adsl-71-129-34-69.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] Good morning [08:58] morning pitti [08:58] hi pitti! [08:59] pitti: mpt and myself had a discussion about the crashingreporting UI in -desktop [09:00] hey Hobbsee [09:00] Burgundavia: don't tell me you redesigned it once again :) [09:01] pitti: not the edgy stuff. We were talking about the edgy+1 stuff [09:01] Burgundavia: yesterday I almost finished implementing his design [09:01] ah [09:01] somebody please add #ubuntu-bugs to the topic [09:03] mvo: the apt update didn't fix the Packages.bz2 issue i was seeing [09:03] Failed to fetch http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/edgy/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [09:03] jdub: oh, crap. thanks for testing === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-44-52.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] AAAARRRRGH @ f-spot === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs" | yes X in edgy is a mess atm [09:04] dholbach: like that? [09:05] ajmitch: nnnnnnggg, I explicitly unticked 'do not copy photos' during import and still it created a 5 GB ~/Photos folder and copied them [09:05] ajmitch: this just DoSed my backup system [09:05] Hobbsee: super [09:05] pitti: interesting [09:05] infinity: around? [09:06] ajmitch: this should so much default to 'off'... [09:06] ajmitch: (sorry for the rant) === pitti hugs ajmitch and knows that this is not Andrew's fault [09:07] file a bug, I'll look for a patch in the stable branch upstream [09:08] ajmitch: will do [09:08] ajmitch: ooh, new xserver-xgl? COTD? :) [09:09] pitti: of course [09:09] i would test it if fglrx worked - gar! quebecistani craptop! [09:09] also, no xorg 7.1 means no aiglx love :( [09:09] aiglx > xgl :( === ajmitch loves the aiglx on the laptop [09:13] jdub: you uploaded genius already? :) [09:13] dholbach: no [09:13] i have to fix up pbuilder before i feel comfortable uploading it [09:13] ok [09:13] in dapper it should suffice to install it === Kaloz [i=kaloz@openwrt.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] jdub: you broke pbuilder? [09:14] it hasn't been working on my machine for a long time [09:15] jdub: ahhh. great [09:15] create --override-config --distribution=? === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === noodle_soup [n=qun@adsl-71-129-34-69.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] jdub: Yes, thought obviously less than attentive on IRC. [09:30] infinity: fuck, i should remember to add payloads to my pings [09:30] jdub: Yes. Yes you should. [09:31] infinity: ah, that's right [09:32] infinity: i would like to make xnest an alternative, so we can switch between xnest and xephyr - are there any standardisation problems with that, and things we need to sort out with debian, or is it "propose a patch and go" type stuff? [09:32] Well, in the interest of sane sidegrades, you may want to make sure it happens in time for both etch and edgy. [09:33] But otherwise, it's just a matter of making the packaging changes correctly so it doesn't explode, and you're good to go. === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@p54BD16DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] Kamion: can you please accept/new all the new dapper langpacks? [09:54] pitti: done [09:54] thanks [09:54] infinity: hmm, I see my cheesy attempt at hacking around the pockets thing in d-i didn't work quite right [09:54] infinity: should I fix the cheesy hack, or remove it and coordinate an upload with you? [09:55] happy to do either (though it seems that fixing the cheesy hack might involve less messy coordination time in the future) === Kaloz [i=kaloz@openwrt.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] doko: yay, OO.o built everywhere *phew* :) [09:57] pitti: that sounds as you were in doubt :) === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikor [n=user@gw-swsoft2.ll-nsk.zsttk.ru] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host10-137.pool8710.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@85.25.108.117] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamion decides to just fix the cheesy d-i pockets hack [10:14] hehe === shenki_ [n=Joel@pulteney-pix.border.net.adelaide.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] Kamion: I think the cheesy hack is probably the best way to go, actually. [10:24] Kamion: Oh, which you decided to do without prompting anyway. Yay, response time. [10:25] congrats, there's an article on Helsingin Sanomat (biggest newspaper in Finland) about installing Ubuntu. It's takes nearly the whole front page of part D :) === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] dholbach: not any more, because doko did not phone me at 3 am :) [10:25] infinity: :-) [10:26] pitti: hehe === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-194-140.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] pitti: lucky guy :) [10:36] doko: so, if pkg-create-dbgsym works with OO.o, it just has to work with just about any other package, too :-P [10:37] pitti: does it take as long as pkg-stripstranslations does? ;-P [10:38] doko: I don't know, but at least it has no redundancy (as striptranslations has) [10:39] gutenprint 5.0 is there [10:41] oh, great === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-222-20.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-099-055.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.88.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host103-101.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-222-20.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] hunger: wireshark sync was already requested, just spotted it in -bugs :) === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-222-20.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti makes cdbs-edit-patch work properly with tarball.mk [11:12] pitti: that's useful - I still have a package using tarball.mk & simple-patchsys [11:12] ajmitch: until now I had a separate script, but it used dbs-edit-patch, and it doesn't work very well === pitti also makes cdbs-edit-patch capable of editing patches with rejections while he is at it [11:13] it's a package I never touched much, I adjusted the patch with vim each time [11:14] ajmitch: hal and g-v-m use tarball.mk, as well as postgresql, so I have a certain interest in a good patch edit script :) === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] pitti, while at it can you make it to accept debian/patches/xx_name as well, so only use basename of argument? [11:22] janimo: right, that was already on my list [11:22] as it's easier to use completion than remember the names [11:22] ok:) === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] ajmitch: Thanks for the info wrt. wireshark! [11:30] seb128, dholbach ... [11:30] ogra@edubuntu:~/packages/gnome-screensaver-2.14.3$ debdiff ../gnome-screensaver_2.14.1-0ubuntu5.dsc ../gnome-screensaver_2.14.3-0ubuntu1.dsc|wc -l [11:30] 34295 [11:30] that doesnt make me feel we should have it in -updates [11:30] hunger: I've fixed xserver-xgl, too, just have to upload === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] [11:30] is there somewhere I can ask about ltsp on ubuntu? [11:30] Chipzz, yes [11:31] ajmitch: This is getting spooky! [11:31] ogra: where? [11:31] Chipzz, here or in #edubuntu ... ot in #ltsp .... [11:31] ajmitch: so many of my bugs are vanishing today! [11:31] ogra: well, since this isn't a support channel... :P [11:31] in any case you'll likely talk to me ;) [11:31]