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| jsgotangco | http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ | 02:17 |
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| jsgotangco | WHOA | 02:17 |
| LaserJock | interesting | 02:22 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: bzr branch http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/udr | 02:24 |
| jsgotangco | great | 02:25 |
| LaserJock | that's just what I got from Ian, but it's a start | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | i almost read that as Iran | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | yep, I went a long ways to get | 02:27 |
| LaserJock | it | 02:27 |
| LaserJock | dodged some missiles ... | 02:27 |
| LaserJock | but darn it, I got the documentation ;-) | 02:27 |
| jsgotangco | yeah the covert mission was a success | 02:28 |
| LaserJock | so the immediate problem is that the current Debian version is 3.3.7 and we have changes to 3.3.6 | 02:35 |
| jsgotangco | its still branching | 02:37 |
| jsgotangco | *groan* | 02:37 |
| LaserJock | really? bummer | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | it was quick on my local network ;-) | 02:38 |
| dsas | It's probably not a good idea to keep the pdf under revision control ;) | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | well, it's just there | 02:45 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: its in sgml i though you had dbk? | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | well, that's the current package | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | we can use debiandoc2xml to convert it if we want | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not sure if we want to do that now | 02:47 |
| jsgotangco | ok are you suggesting we do it in debiandoc? | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | well, I just can't be sure that Debian is going to move to docbook by the time edgy is out | 02:48 |
| LaserJock | so we would have to do something radical (developers-reference-ubuntu package) I think if they don't | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | honestly i have little knowledge of debiandoc ive read it before but never really got anything done | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | but if we stick to debiandoc for right now and they *do* switch to docbook then I think we can fairly easily convert it | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | well, I hadn't even heard of it until I got this | 02:50 |
| jsgotangco | can you give me a headstart on what to start, what to packages to get? | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | for debiandoc? | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 02:58 |
| LaserJock | just look for debiandoc in synaptic | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | debiandoc-sgml and debiandoc2dbxml I think are the ones you want | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | I guess po-debiandoc is used for the translations maybe | 03:02 |
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| jsgotangco | if i use aptitude, it wants me to grab 110MB of archives | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 03:03 |
| LaserJock | wha? | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | crazy | 03:04 |
| crimsun | aptitude pulls in Recommends by default. | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:04 |
| LaserJock | apt-get wants 7MB | 03:05 |
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| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: ping? | 04:59 |
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| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: pong | 07:21 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i forgot what to ask you | 07:22 |
| jsgotangco | ahh right | 07:22 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: are you able to build tinymail? | 07:23 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: haven't tried recently | 07:23 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 07:26 |
| Madpilot | Wow, I think Warren from the MEPIS project is a bit ticked off at the FSF - have a look at his 'GPL FAQ' here: http://www.mepis.org/node/10725 | 07:38 |
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| mdke | Laser_away: possibly... | 08:50 |
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| mdke | Laser_away: shit, the packaging in trunk isn't up to date with the branch | 12:21 |
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| mdke | hi there manicka | 01:16 |
| manicka | hi | 01:17 |
| mdke | manicka: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum and see what you think | 01:19 |
| mdke | since writing it I just saw https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum/community/KnowledgebaseTaskForce which is essentially the same thing | 01:19 |
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| manicka | mdke, that's all pretty much what we've talked about before. It's a good idea to formalise it | 01:26 |
| manicka | I guess what needs to be done now | 01:26 |
| manicka | is the formal setting up of a team/taskforce | 01:26 |
| manicka | From what i can see the team would be negotiating with forum members directly | 01:27 |
| mdke | I'd like to talk through those things with the UDSF people, to make sure they are happy with it. | 01:27 |
| mdke | I thought of posting to the UDSF forum, is that appropriate? | 01:28 |
| manicka | i don't see much of a role for the udsf in that scenario | 01:28 |
| manicka | I'm sure they would be interested in a post there | 01:28 |
| mdke | ok | 01:29 |
| manicka | but i don't think they'll be falling over themselves to help on a taskforce like that | 01:29 |
| mdke | given that the UDSF currently archives a lot of material from the forum, I think it's important that they are a part of this. The whole point was to provide an official channel through which documentation can come from the forum/UDSF -> wiki -> system documentation | 01:30 |
| manicka | ok | 01:30 |
| manicka | it might also be a good idea to ask for a sticky in the howto forum looking for taskforce/team members, once you have udsf feedback | 01:31 |
| mdke | yes, once the project is settled in terms of structure, we'll do something similar | 01:32 |
| manicka | ok | 01:32 |
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| manicka | mdke, forgive my clouded judgement in regards to the udsf at the moment. The overall plan looks sound :) | 01:39 |
| mdke | manicka: cool | 01:42 |
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| mdke | hey there lloydinho | 02:35 |
| mdke | did you see we stuck up a docbook version of the participate website page in the repo for you and Laser_away to play with? | 02:36 |
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| mdke | lloydinho_: did you see my message just above? | 02:46 |
| lloydinho_ | no, sorry. Xchat crashed on me | 02:47 |
| lloydinho_ | mdke: please repeat. :-) | 02:47 |
| mdke | did you see we stuck up a docbook version of the participate website page in the repo for you and Laser_away to play with? | 02:49 |
| lloydinho_ | no. But I'll have a look at it, thanks! | 02:51 |
| mdke | great | 02:51 |
| lloydinho_ | I've been away offline for a few days, so I'll just update my svn now. | 02:52 |
| mdke | it's at trunk/ubuntu/contribute/C/contribute.xml | 02:52 |
| lloydinho_ | cool! | 02:52 |
| mdke | hi there troy_s, nice to see you in here. Thinking of getting involved with some documentation? | 03:10 |
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| jjesse | mornin mdke | 03:12 |
| mdke | hiya | 03:13 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 03:14 |
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| mdke | slacker | 03:14 |
| jsgotangco | heh! | 03:15 |
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| jjesse_ | why what all are your committing? | 03:51 |
| jsgotangco | man im such a slacker these days | 03:52 |
| mdke | jjesse_: the packaging for those changes to the ubuntu help system we've been discussing | 03:54 |
| jjesse_ | ah cool | 03:55 |
| jjesse_ | hmm how do i kick one of my nicknames that is still on there? | 03:56 |
| jsgotangco | do /msg nickserv ghost nick | 03:56 |
| nixternal | /quote nickserv ghost jjesse <password> | 04:00 |
| nixternal | mornin' all! | 04:00 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: did you take care of the packaging diff between branch and trunck? | 04:37 |
| mdke | LaserJock: yes, I hope so | 04:38 |
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| mdke | LaserJock: btw, I made a new package for edgy, was I right to just continue the existing changelog? | 04:38 |
| mdke | maybe you can check it for me and I'll ask daniel to upload | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | k | 04:40 |
| LaserJock | yeah, the changelog should include *all* the releases | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: what's the branch again? | 04:40 |
| mdke | in that case, we should be good to go | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | for what? developer's reference? | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: top secret project | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | the Iranian project ;-) | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/udr/ | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | thanks | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | waiting waiting *hum* | 04:43 |
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| jsgotangco | glatzor: ! | 04:45 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: I'm wondering if I should redo the repo to just have the .sgml and .ent files | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | oh because we had the pdfs and html right? | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | and translations, etc. | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | yeah might be a better idea | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | the repo would be a lot smaller | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | gah, this project just sucks organizationaly. I so wish we could just make a seperate doc. | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | as I look over the Debian version I see tons of changes | 04:48 |
| glatzor | hi jsgotangco! | 04:49 |
| mdke | LaserJock: are you going to make the packaging guide available from the contribute.xml doc? If so I think we should remove the packaging guide from the yelp frontpage and include the contribute doc, thoughts? | 04:49 |
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| lloydinho | Hey, LaserJock. I've done a first draft of the Contribute doc. | 04:52 |
| lloydinho | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | mdke: yes, I agree | 04:52 |
| lloydinho | I just put it in the wiki since I don't have any svn commit access. | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | man that was good sushi | 04:53 |
| mdke | LaserJock: cool. This is what the current front page looks like with ubuntu-docs 6.08.1: http://mdke.org/tmp/new-yelp.png, we can just drop the last entry | 04:53 |
| mdke | lloydinho: have you been working with the docbook version at all? | 04:53 |
| lloydinho | mdke: no, not yet. My secret plan was to try and convert it with the new wiki2docbook tool. | 04:54 |
| mdke | sounds good, that's what i did to the participate page to make contribute.xml | 04:55 |
| mdke | you've built on the participate page, right? | 04:55 |
| lloydinho | Cool. | 04:55 |
| lloydinho | In any case, I'd like to wait with docbook until we have decided on the general layout of the document. | 04:55 |
| mdke | ah fine, the contribute.xml is there as a placeholder, then | 04:56 |
| mdke | thanks a lot for working on this! | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | mdke: looks good for now, I think once we get contribute put together we should remove the Packaging Guide from the frontpage | 04:57 |
| mdke | great | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | it makes me sad to see it go, but that's were it belongs ;-) | 04:57 |
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| lloydinho | mdke: It's been an itch I've been wanting to scratch for some time, now. :-) | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | mdke: you might want to wrap those long changelog lines next time | 04:58 |
| mdke | LaserJock: still time to do that... what is good practice? | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | mdke: did you try a test build of ubuntu-docs? | 05:01 |
| mdke | yeah, it builds fine. That screenshot is with it installed | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | cool | 05:01 |
| mdke | (on dapper mind) | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | I usually just wrap to something like 80 columns | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | and indent | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | all the CLI jockey's will appreciate it ;-) | 05:02 |
| mdke | is it alright now? | 05:03 |
| LaserJock | yeah, much nicer | 05:04 |
| jsgotangco | time for me to frag some kids | 05:05 |
| jsgotangco | ciao | 05:05 |
| mdke | need to do a patch for yelp at some stage to get those documents in the right order... I need to get an edgy system going soon | 05:06 |
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| glatzor | Hi mdke. | 06:56 |
| glatzor | Do have got time to discuss the bug #54774: add dapper-commercial to software-properties | 06:56 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54774 in update-manager "add dapper-commercial to software-properties" [Untriaged,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54774 | 06:56 |
| jjesse_ | if i make changes in trunk/kubuntu/releasenotes/C what is the easiest way to get the same changes in branches/dapper/kubuntu/releasenotes/C/ ?? | 07:09 |
| trappist | maybe do an svn diff and patch the other file with it | 07:15 |
| jjesse_ | whats the syntax for patching again? patch -p0 file? | 07:15 |
| trappist | patch -p0 < file | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | mdke: it seems we need to get a licensing lawyer | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | mdke: you're no help ;-) | 07:38 |
| jjesse_ | LaserJock: mind apply two patches? | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | no problemo, are they on the ML? | 07:39 |
| jjesse_ | yes sir :) | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | doh, right below Matt's email | 07:40 |
| jjesse_ | grin :) | 07:43 |
| jjesse_ | thanks for applying that one :) | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | jjesse_: the second one is for the dapper branch, right? | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | jjesse_: done, and done | 07:54 |
| jjesse_ | LaserJock: thanks :) | 08:35 |
| mdke | glatzor: I have a few moments | 08:51 |
| mdke | glatzor: from your first comment it seems that adding the repository to sources.list is the best way, right? | 08:52 |
| mdke | LaserJock: grrr | 08:52 |
| mdke | I am the law! | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | mdke: hehe | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | mdke: my understanding was that with the dual license a derivative license was and/or so you could do GFDL *or* CC-BY-SA *or* GFDL + CC-BY-SA | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | not that both licenses applied (which would be a problem since they are incompatible) | 08:57 |
| jjesse_ | isn't the book licensed the same? i wonder how they figured it out? | 08:58 |
| mdke | yeah, that's what our docs say anyway | 08:59 |
| mdke | I have a hard time understanding GFDL + CC-BY-SA, I suppose what it really means is that they are alternatives | 08:59 |
| mdke | but I don't see how that works either | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | "take you pick" :-) | 09:00 |
| mdke | say we were to copy something from wikipedia (GFDL) and put it in our docs, would we be violating their requirement that we keep the same conditions for copying? | 09:00 |
| mdke | I think we would, because a derivative of our work could be cc-by-sa only... | 09:00 |
| mdke | in which case, wtf is the point of having "dual" licenses in the first place? | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | basically no matter what we do, it sucks | 09:02 |
| mdke | well, we could just have one license | 09:02 |
| glatzor | mdke: if we just add it out commented to the sources.list it will appear disabled in the third party list | 09:02 |
| LaserJock | sure, but there will always be content that we can't use because of it | 09:03 |
| mdke | glatzor: the third party list in software-properties? | 09:03 |
| glatzor | if you additionally add a comment to the end of the line, this comment will be used as label | 09:03 |
| glatzor | mdke: right | 09:03 |
| mdke | glatzor: that sounds like a good solution | 09:03 |
| mdke | LaserJock: right, but right now it seems to me there is nothing we can copy, unless it is completely free | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | yep | 09:06 |
| mdke | maybe mako can explain what the thinking was behind this dual business | 09:07 |
| glatzor | mdke: this mechanism could be used for the other self hosted third party repos too. just include a file with the disabled apt line and a comment for each repo (e.g. omnit) in app-install-commercial and place it into /etc/apt.sources.d | 09:07 |
| LaserJock | mdke: it's better for derivatives of us | 09:07 |
| mdke | LaserJock: like we care ;) | 09:08 |
| mdke | glatzor: ok, so that bug should be reassigned to app-install-commercial? | 09:08 |
| mdke | we should get mdz or someone to provide the comment wording | 09:08 |
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| mdke | work dammit | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | mdke: don't kick to hard, it might fall apart | 09:20 |
| mdke | it's a bit slow, keeps timing out | 09:20 |
| glatzor | mdke: i will reassign it and change the description | 09:24 |
| mdke | glatzor: thanks! | 09:25 |
| glatzor | the sidenote is for mvo only | 09:34 |
| glatzor | the sidenote in the bug description :) | 09:34 |
| mdke | glatzor: thanks, I'll check it out | 09:35 |
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| glatzor | have a nice eveneing, mdke | 09:37 |
| manicka | mdke, some interesting responses from the UDSF | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | manicka: where? | 10:02 |
| manicka | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=227819 | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | cool | 10:05 |
| manicka | my thoughts added | 10:22 |
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