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| lucas | LaserJock: I don't think so | 12:11 |
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| lucas | however, the sync process is based on bugs filed, and works well | 12:11 |
| lucas | accepting requests from developers is also different from accepting requests from everybody (as in motu-reviewers) | 12:11 |
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| dholbach | good night guys | 12:14 |
| crimsun | night daniel | 12:14 |
| Toadstool | g'night dholbach | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | cya dholbach | 12:16 |
| dholbach | night guys - you rock! :) | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | lucas: I think the motu-reviewer's would work if MOTUs used it | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | I generally don't go "hmm, rather than work on my own stuff, I think I'll go look for things to sponsor" | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 12:18 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: hehe, exactly. | 12:18 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: not unless you know the person, and so feel like doing them a favour | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | exactly, hence the IRC pinging method | 12:19 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: that's the one. | 12:19 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: we need to work on kubuntu not being so cliched, too... | 12:19 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 12:19 |
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| lucas | I've a package which just needs a rebuild because of an ABI change. should I mail infinity ? upload a -XXXbuild1 package ? file a bug ? | 12:26 |
| Hobbsee | lucas: discuss with infinity/kamion/etc | 12:26 |
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| Kyral | heh no one caught my comment about me orphaning everything and leaving this project | 12:45 |
| LaserJock | we're used to it ;-) | 12:45 |
| LaserJock | besides, nobody wants your GTK1 editor anyway ;-) | 12:46 |
| Kyral | ....cept this time I am serious... | 12:46 |
| Kyral | The Forums War....its reaching too far.... | 12:46 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: yeah, but what does the forum have to do with anything here | 12:48 |
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| Kyral | Because...I am involved...the CoC has been disregarded...and corruption has spread.. | 12:48 |
| LaserJock | from what I've seen it is pretty much contained to the forums | 12:50 |
| === Kyral shrugs | ||
| Kyral | The future will decide my fate | 12:52 |
| azeem | mine as well | 12:52 |
| azeem | damn future | 12:53 |
| Kyral | If the Right Thing is done, then I will stay | 12:53 |
| Kyral | else, I'll leave | 12:53 |
| Kyral | because this has reached the CC | 12:53 |
| LaserJock | I just don't see why the forum crap would make you leave the whole project | 12:53 |
| sladen | what's the latest on the "forum crap" ? | 12:54 |
| Kyral | Kass is being prosecuted for no good damn reason? | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | I have no idea, that's most of the problem, IMO, the administration of the forums is very closed | 12:55 |
| Kyral | Which is the problem | 12:55 |
| Kyral | any discussion on the Forums about this issue and the thread is deleted and users are threatened with banning if they continue | 12:56 |
| Kyral | In case you can't tell, I support Kassetra....which makes me a big target | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | anyway, it seems like the forums admins are going through a crisis and what comes of it I don't know | 12:59 |
| LaserJock | and I don't particularly care to some degree | 12:59 |
| LaserJock | I don't think the forums will simply go away | 12:59 |
| LaserJock | Ubuntu is bigger then that | 01:00 |
| Kyral | I've kept my mouth shut because if I open it I'll go ballistic on people (They wanna see CoC Violations? I'll redefine the term!) | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | I know ;-) | 01:00 |
| === tseng wonders what the fuss is about | ||
| LaserJock | tseng: some of the forum admins got fired and many other resigned over it | 01:01 |
| Kyral | heh and this could be considered part of the problem | 01:01 |
| tseng | saw that | 01:01 |
| Kyral | the apathy in the project | 01:01 |
| Kyral | towards the Forums | 01:01 |
| tseng | yes, I am supremely apethetic to the Forums | 01:01 |
| tseng | you aren't going to change this | 01:01 |
| Kyral | Yah I know | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: well, to be honest I think they have a right to be if this is what is produced | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | I've tried a lot | 01:01 |
| tseng | the signal to noise is horrific | 01:02 |
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| Kyral | they weren't like the other "branches" of the project | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | they aren't | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | at all | 01:02 |
| Kyral | yet people rely on them more than IRC I would think | 01:02 |
| === sladen suspects that within the forums, they are seen as the centre of the Ubuntu universe; and, ...outside the forums, they are assumed to be quite far from that centre | ||
| Kyral | Grandma knows how to use a BBS | 01:02 |
| Kyral | Grandma don't know how to use IRC :P | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | I agree that the forums have a lot of people, but that doesn't me they are *the* community | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | and they are unwilling to work with the rest of the community | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | and work like the rest of the community | 01:03 |
| tseng | unwilling, or unaware | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | the admins seem only interested in power and control | 01:04 |
| Kyral | they were unofficial in the first place...so this is a rough transition | 01:04 |
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| === Kyral is in the unconfortable position of being caught between groups of friends | ||
| TheMuso | Kyral: I know what you mean. I have had groups of friends like that, and it is particularly hard when they both don't get along with each other. | 01:05 |
| Kyral | So...I defend my Sempai in this one | 01:06 |
| tseng | Kyral: we are only going to get increasinly frustrated with the forums as the build subpar packages and code in isolation of MOTU | 01:06 |
| Kyral | You mean Automatix? | 01:06 |
| tseng | I mean several things | 01:06 |
| tseng | Automatix makes the list | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | udsf | 01:06 |
| tseng | the 4 copies of USlab, the fork of compiz | 01:07 |
| Kyral | Keep in mind I started packaging by creating unofficial Backports for Breezy until JDong and co could make official ones... | 01:07 |
| tseng | I'll give you a free pass on that | 01:07 |
| tseng | I was pretty upset at jdong as well | 01:08 |
| tseng | this is a recurring trend | 01:08 |
| Kyral | You can't please everyone :P | 01:08 |
| tseng | you could at least make an attempt | 01:08 |
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| Kyral | Heh | 01:08 |
| tseng | this isnt really related to the admin staff, however | 01:09 |
| Kyral | hell I don't even use the Forums anymore...I'm in this fight on principle | 01:09 |
| tseng | I could care less about the staff and direction of the forums, other than harmful forking in isolation | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | well, I like the forums but it needs to learn it's place and play well with the rest of the community | 01:13 |
| LaserJock | it is *not* a development platform | 01:13 |
| zul | is it they know not how to approach -motu? | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | somewhat | 01:16 |
| Kyral | they find the guidelines to be concieted or something | 01:16 |
| zul | wha/ | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | but mostly, from what I've seen, they don't to have to do anything outside the forums | 01:16 |
| Kyral | Like whenever I tried to point out the DFSG or the New Maintainers Guide I got blasted for being a "Debian User" | 01:16 |
| Kyral | or harp on CheckInstall :P | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | yes, people have complained in the past why only certain people can upload | 01:17 |
| zul | heh...i saw alot of ex-gentoo users | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | that it is too elitest | 01:17 |
| Toadstool | wow... | 01:17 |
| zul | its not elitst...its being sensible | 01:17 |
| Toadstool | I should read the forums, looks like there are interesting opinions... | 01:17 |
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| === TheMuso should check up on the accessibility forum more often. | ||
| TheMuso | I used to love forums, but now I am nowhere near as much of a fan. IMO mailing lists are more efficient. | 01:20 |
| LaserJock | it just depends on what you are trying to do | 01:21 |
| LaserJock | if you are trying to just hang out and swap info with other users, forums are great | 01:21 |
| LaserJock | fairly easy to search, and post | 01:21 |
| LaserJock | but if you are trying to keep the noise down, it's not great | 01:21 |
| TheMuso | For me, the inefficiency comes from the fact that you have to go through several steps just to post in a forum, in the correct area. | 01:22 |
| TheMuso | In that time, I can be well on my way to finishing a post to a mailing list. | 01:22 |
| LaserJock | well, I don't like email so I tend to not like mailing list very much | 01:23 |
| LaserJock | but I'd still prefer them over forums for dev work anyday | 01:23 |
| LaserJock | and they are absolutely *not* the place to track bugs | 01:23 |
| ajmitch | morning | 01:35 |
| zul | hej ajmitch | 01:36 |
| LaserJock | hi ajmitch | 01:48 |
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| bddebian | Howdy gang | 02:44 |
| TheMuso | Hey bddebian | 02:44 |
| bddebian | Hello TheMuso | 02:44 |
| === Kyral hugs bddebian | ||
| ajmitch | ah, bddebian | 02:45 |
| === ajmitch heads out | ||
| LaserJock | bddebian: hehe, I can always tell when bddebian shows up | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | my chat client lights up on all channels | 02:45 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 02:46 |
| bddebian | Heya Kyral, Laser, ajmitch | 02:46 |
| Kyral | lol | 02:46 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Hehe, sorry | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: no problem | 02:47 |
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| bddebian | Hmm, do I feel like doing anything any more... | 02:51 |
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| zul | Hey Hobbsee_ | 03:13 |
| bddebian | Heya Hobbsee_ | 03:13 |
| === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | hi zul, bddebian, anyone else who said hello before | 03:13 |
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| tritium | Hobbsee: did you make it to class? | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | tritium: yeah. mostly. ish. | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | tritium: enough | 03:16 |
| bddebian | Heya again tritium | 03:16 |
| tritium | heh ;) | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | tritium: it's not worth going home for a while though | 03:16 |
| tritium | hi again, bddebian | 03:16 |
| tseng | bddebian: i need a kickban | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | tseng: for what? | 03:17 |
| tseng | bddebian: to ease my troubled soul | 03:17 |
| bddebian | tseng: I wish I could and I would man.. | 03:17 |
| tseng | me too | 03:17 |
| tseng | when is this elusive geek dinner | 03:18 |
| === bmonty_away is now known as bmonty | ||
| Hobbsee | tseng: dev summit, maybe? | 03:19 |
| bmonty | hi everyone | 03:19 |
| tseng | Hobbsee: no thanks. | 03:20 |
| tseng | Hobbsee: pleebs arent invited to those, anyway | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | tseng: yeah true | 03:21 |
| === Hobbsee is such a pleb :P | ||
| bddebian | Heya bmonty | 03:22 |
| bddebian | Oh hush up Hobbsee, you got more kudos than I did. No one said a word for me :'-( | 03:22 |
| bmonty | hey bddebian | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: :( | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: sure, they said a word to me - it was "no" | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 03:23 |
| bddebian | Hobbsee: No, I mean at least crimsun and others spoke up about the work you do | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: ah. true | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | 12% [1 kdelibs-data 2194836/7186kB 30%] 27.5kB/s 9m38s | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | yay for uni connections. | 03:24 |
| TheMuso | heh | 03:39 |
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| bmonty | hey ajmitch | 03:54 |
| zul | yay! | 03:55 |
| LaserJock | hi everybody who has shown up in the last hour! | 03:55 |
| ajmitch | heh | 03:55 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:57 |
| bddebian | wb ajmitch | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | hi ajmitch | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | hi LaserJock, bmonty | 03:58 |
| bmonty | hi Hobbsee | 03:59 |
| bmonty | ok, have we all gotten that out of our systems? | 03:59 |
| bmonty | :) | 03:59 |
| === Hobbsee attacks bmonty with a chair | ||
| Kyral | ow... | 04:00 |
| Kyral | *bleeds from head* | 04:00 |
| Kyral | YOU MISSED! | 04:00 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:00 |
| Kyral | *passes out from blood loss* | 04:00 |
| Hobbsee | sorry Kyral :P | 04:00 |
| === bmonty zaps Hobbsee with his tazer! Buzzzzzz! | ||
| === TheMuso starts to suspect a violent undertone to Hobbsee's personality. | ||
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: hehe. it's my axe-murdering tendancies coming out | 04:01 |
| === Kyral is still unconscious | ||
| ajmitch | TheMuso: you only suspect that now? | 04:01 |
| === Hobbsee is zapped. ouch. | ||
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Well, a lot worse than everyone ever thought. | 04:01 |
| zul | you people are wacky and slackers | 04:02 |
| Kyral | I haven't used Slackware in 1.5 years | 04:02 |
| TheMuso | LOL | 04:02 |
| TheMuso | Well I haven't used Slackware in 2 years. | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | zul: have you fixed all of zen yet? | 04:03 |
| Kyral | its XEN! | 04:03 |
| zul | Hobbsee: no i havent fixed zen yet | 04:03 |
| bddebian | I have NEVER used slackware! :-) | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | oh...oops...hehe | 04:03 |
| zul | Hobbsee: i probably wont fix zen either :) | 04:03 |
| === Hobbsee would have thought zul would have renamed it by now. | ||
| Hobbsee | the short form of zul's xen. | 04:03 |
| zul | Hobbsee: pretty frigging close though | 04:03 |
| === Kyral smacks Hobbsee with his bloody head | ||
| Hobbsee | zul: :P | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | Kyral: thanks. next time do it properly, so that i dont ever have to go home, okay? | 04:04 |
| zul | Hobbsee: you didnt see my screenshot did you...tut tut | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | zul: i did...yeah. | 04:04 |
| zul | cool | 04:05 |
| bmonty | anyone know who bigon (Laurent Bigonville) is? | 04:06 |
| ajmitch | no, but he seems active | 04:06 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: which bug are you looking at? | 04:06 |
| bmonty | yeah, I'm looking at his sync requests | 04:06 |
| bmonty | qemu right now | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | ok | 04:07 |
| bmonty | it isn't a sync | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | he did a few for motureviewers as ewll | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | like update libcm, which was slightly off | 04:07 |
| === ajmitch had updated it a couple of days beforehand but not uploaded yet | ||
| bmonty | libnss-ldap looks ok to sync | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | no! | 04:07 |
| === LaserJock was starting to think he was going to have to start up the Nd:YAG | ||
| ajmitch | Release Critical: 5 | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: I've already looked at that - it has 5 RC bugs in debian | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | it's nice of him to help out & all.. | 04:08 |
| bmonty | bug #54664 | 04:08 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54664 in libnss-ldap "please sync 251-5 from debian sid" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54664 | 04:08 |
| === ajmitch sighs | ||
| bmonty | the bugs must be in functionality then? | 04:09 |
| ajmitch | the bugs are in "this package kills your system if you have it enabled" | 04:09 |
| ajmitch | like breaking local users as well | 04:09 |
| bmonty | nice | 04:09 |
| zul | well it is edgy.. | 04:09 |
| ajmitch | I have been watching it for my SoC stuff, you know :) | 04:10 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: I figured as much...that is why I mentioned it | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | that's why bug 51315 is assigned to me at the moment | 04:10 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 51315 in libnss-ldap "udevd: nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/51315 | 04:10 |
| bmonty | you want to reject it, or should I? | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | since that's the major problem it fixes | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | it's a matter of exchanging 1 major bug for 5 others | 04:10 |
| === ajmitch was sure he'd added comments to that bug | ||
| bmonty | you know that sasl binds still fail on amd64 right? | 04:11 |
| bmonty | b.d.o seems to be down right now :( | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | it's depressing, really | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | how much broken infrastructure stuff there | 04:12 |
| ajmitch | is | 04:12 |
| bmonty | I agree, you would think that SSO software would be very well maintained, and there would be lots of documentation | 04:12 |
| ajmitch | don't be silly | 04:13 |
| bmonty | did you reject 54664? | 04:14 |
| ajmitch | yes | 04:14 |
| bmonty | ok, we must have both been editing it at the same time | 04:14 |
| ajmitch | heh | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | what's the status with bug 51517? | 04:17 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 51517 in qemu "version 0.8.1 available" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/51517 | 04:17 |
| ajmitch | ah right, the same thing with sparc packages moved to Recommends | 04:18 |
| ajmitch | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/qemu/+changelog is useful :) | 04:18 |
| ajmitch | and also very hard to find | 04:18 |
| bmonty | are you working on 51517? It doesn't look like a sync to me | 04:19 |
| ajmitch | no, I was just checking with you, and confirmed that it's not a sync | 04:19 |
| bmonty | ah, OK | 04:20 |
| ajmitch | I'll let you reject this one | 04:20 |
| bmonty | done | 04:20 |
| ajmitch | poor guy, getting his bugs rejected | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 04:21 |
| ajmitch | nice, OLPC got a order for 4 million laptops | 04:23 |
| ajmitch | that'll be a good boost | 04:23 |
| bddebian | Yeah, I saw that today | 04:23 |
| bddebian | They are using FC though right? | 04:23 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I believe so | 04:23 |
| TheMuso | Has someone encouraged him to come onto IRC and talk through what he is doing? | 04:23 |
| ajmitch | https://launchpad.net/people/bigon/+reportedbugs | 04:24 |
| ajmitch | he's filed a few | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | & those are just the open ones | 04:25 |
| bmonty | he has a ton of karma for bug management | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | 97 filed in total | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | though that's with duplicates hidden still | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: I believe there will be an Ubuntu flavor for OLPC as well | 04:28 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Ah, cool | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: Edubuntu people already have a few prototypes | 04:29 |
| === bddebian is out of the loop as usual | ||
| === ajmitch decides it's time to upload xgl & libcm | ||
| LaserJock | well, we had a little discussion during the Paris summit, Mark even showed up for it | 04:29 |
| bddebian | Ah, nice | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: you probably need to be in the edubuntu loop for that | 04:30 |
| bmonty | how long does it typically take for a bug filed by email to show up in Malone? | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | the ubuntu community has grown a bit | 04:30 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Nah, I'm just a lowly MOTU | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: usually 5-10 minutes | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: me too | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | and I'm on the Edubuntu Council :/ | 04:30 |
| zul | LaserJock: well you are special | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | heck no | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | I just hang out on IRC too much | 04:31 |
| zul | special in my heart :) | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | well, this is a large xgl diff, with doing autogen.sh | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | my wife would say, "special ed maybe" ;-) | 04:31 |
| zul | yeah ditto | 04:31 |
| zul | or she would just call me a retard | 04:31 |
| === Hobbsee searches for a powerpack | ||
| Hobbsee | Uptime: 1 hours and 25 minutes | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | not that bad... | 04:32 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Low battery? | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: it just started flashing red, yeah | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | broken/old battery | 04:33 |
| bmonty | ...and of course the qemu package FTBFS | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: as usual | 04:33 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 04:33 |
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| TheMuso | Hey imbrandon. | 04:36 |
| imbrandon | heya TheMuso | 04:36 |
| === imbrandon yawns as he tries to re-wakeup | ||
| bddebian | Hi imbrandon, now get to work! ;-P | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | heh how go's it ? | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | hahaha i plan to bwhahahaha <evil grin> kubuntu world domination plan in effect | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | lol | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | hi imbrandon | 04:39 |
| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: hehe. now you can upload everyone elses stuff :P | 04:39 |
| imbrandon | hahah i'm gonna do a few of my own first to get the feel of it | 04:39 |
| imbrandon | and probably poke you / others to help me get the reviwing others stuff down sainly ;) | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: hehe. now you can use dput foo, rather than dput revu foo :P | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | btw i just now got your jabber, i crashed hard ( read: slept ) after the meeting and just woke | 04:41 |
| zul | imbrandon: dont forget about the whacks of the paddle | 04:41 |
| imbrandon | i was out like a light | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: hehe, fair enough. | 04:41 |
| === Hobbsee was at class. | ||
| === imbrandon runs from zul | ||
| bmonty | good night everyone | 04:41 |
| imbrandon | gnight bmonty | 04:41 |
| === bmonty is now known as bmonty_away | ||
| imbrandon | ok time for breakfast bbiab | 04:42 |
| bddebian | Gnight bmot | 04:44 |
| bddebian | Damnit.. bmonty_away | 04:44 |
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| Hobbsee | bddebian: surely they're not that evil :P | 04:55 |
| imbrandon | java is as evil to me as mono is to the -devel list hehe | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:57 |
| === Hobbsee is lazy, and plays ksudoku in the background. | ||
| TheMuso | hehehe | 04:58 |
| === Hobbsee is waiting for acroread and mozilla-acroread to download, so she can do her maths quiz. | ||
| bddebian | Hobbsee: Not evil, just have doko's name on them and I don't particularly care for Java anyway | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | may as well do all the uni work if i'm avoiding going home. | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: heh, fair enough | 04:59 |
| imbrandon | school zones ? | 04:59 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Why not going home? | 04:59 |
| TheMuso | Another class? | 04:59 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: please don't bring up that mono thread | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: no. not interested in getting lectured yet again. | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: home isnt terribly pleasant at the moment. | 05:00 |
| TheMuso | Oh ok. | 05:00 |
| TheMuso | That sucks. | 05:00 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: he was a joke, i'll all for it ajmitch i love mono tbh personaly but yea i hear ya , it needs to DIE | 05:00 |
| imbrandon | ( the thread ) | 05:00 |
| imbrandon | s/he/heh | 05:00 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: getting any warmer there? just take the lappy out to the porch if so and stay outa the chaos ;) | 05:01 |
| imbrandon | works for me sometimes | 05:01 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: it's warm enough in these computer labs, yeah :) | 05:01 |
| === Hobbsee goes and does it on one of the lab computers. ick. and it's timed. | ||
| Kyral | ....what a statment to walk into the channel and see | 05:03 |
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| tritium | Hobbsee: beware of lab computers and their nasty, germy keyboards | 05:04 |
| imbrandon | gah how can i get "apt-cache show" to use a regex without looing in the current dir "apt-cache show * |grep libgamin0" seems to try to look for pkgs named the folders in my cwd | 05:04 |
| Kyral | all I can say is | 05:05 |
| imbrandon | looking* | 05:05 |
| Kyral | "Kinky" | 05:05 |
| imbrandon | if i was Kyral or tritium i would /hide before she read any of that heh | 05:05 |
| Kyral | hehehee | 05:05 |
| Kyral | She set herself up for it | 05:05 |
| imbrandon | gah this is serouisly annoying, anyhow /me looks for another way | 05:06 |
| tritium | imbrandon: heh :) | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | Kyral!!!! | 05:12 |
| === Hobbsee thwaps Kyral | ||
| Kyral | hehehe | 05:12 |
| Kyral | You set yourself up for it :P | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | Kyral: you didnt read the context before. | 05:13 |
| Kyral | I couldn't find anything relevent :P | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | Kyral: try the maths thing i was doing. | 05:13 |
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| ajmitch | bddebian: still working on bug 2596? | 05:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 2596 in attal "Attal in Ubuntu is almost not playable, 4 new attal versions (0.9.3, 0.9.4, 0.10, 0.10.1) released, please update" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/2596 | 05:53 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I was working on packaging it but lfittl said he wanted to do it | 05:54 |
| ajmitch | ok | 05:54 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: It's a little problematic because now the themes need to be built with the client/server | 05:54 |
| ajmitch | so they can't be separate source packages? | 05:54 |
| bddebian | I don't think so unless I'm missing something | 05:54 |
| bddebian | I don't see why they are anyway. YOu have to have at least one theme | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | or are there some headers that the themes can build with? | 05:55 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Well it expects themes.o to be in the build tree now (new build system) | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | fun | 05:56 |
| bddebian | Not really :-) | 05:58 |
| imbrandon | woot 1 more hour till dr who 2006 is on /me starts a long build | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: there's lots of stuff in -bugs to be fixed :P | 06:01 |
| imbrandon | yea i'm doing the last merge atm that has my name on it | 06:01 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: we're leaving them for you | 06:02 |
| imbrandon | heheh | 06:02 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: bleh. i'm doing uni work | 06:02 |
| === Hobbsee picks up her whip | ||
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: maybe you should do them all? | 06:02 |
| ajmitch | no | 06:02 |
| === Hobbsee cracks her whip at bddebian for more syncs :) | ||
| Laser_away | mwuahahaha | 06:03 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:03 |
| === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock | ||
| imbrandon | heya LaserJock | 06:03 |
| ajmitch | ah, LaserJock returns | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | hi imbrandon | 06:03 |
| bddebian | Right, I certainly have not done enough :-) | 06:03 |
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| Hobbsee | ajmitch: waste of time, do something useful. | 06:04 |
| imbrandon | haha | 06:04 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: but its amuseing | 06:05 |
| ajmitch | don't feel like it | 06:05 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:05 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 06:05 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: true | 06:05 |
| Hobbsee | at times | 06:05 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: Sho_ says kde 3.5.4 is hitting the kde.org ftp mirrors atm | 06:08 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:08 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: nice :) debian has it | 06:08 |
| imbrandon | yea so do we lol, we cheat | 06:08 |
| imbrandon | ( in his words ) | 06:08 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: how are those builds doing? | 06:08 |
| imbrandon | still chugging bulding kvirc atm | 06:09 |
| Hobbsee | ah :) | 06:09 |
| imbrandon | was a trivial merge but when i added dh_iconcahe the first time it FTBS so i'm makin sure it dosent this time | 06:09 |
| imbrandon | and there was no kde.mk so i had to re-add it | 06:09 |
| imbrandon | but it takes longer than freakin amarok to build LOL | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | now htat's scary | 06:10 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: you need a faster box to build on | 06:10 |
| imbrandon | i swear kvirc for some reason is like THE longest kde app to build | 06:10 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: amd64 3400+ with 2 gig ram | 06:10 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | I feel sorry for you kde folks | 06:11 |
| bddebian | heh | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: getting a bit old | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | I remember rebuilding KDE all the time in my gentoo days | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: I bet you're not using ccache in pbuilder either, right? | 06:11 |
| imbrandon | hahah LaserJock yea i emerged "world" with kde the other day on an xbox , it litterly took 3 days to finish | 06:11 |
| TheMuso | Ouch. | 06:12 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: yea i have ccache setup just not distcc, i would love to figure out how to use distcc with pbuilder | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | there are ways & means | 06:12 |
| imbrandon | hehe yea | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: that's it? | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | generally they're all nasty hacks | 06:12 |
| imbrandon | yea thats why i havent done it yet, most look scarry | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I remember people trying to bootstrap on 386's, took over a week | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: plus you'd probably want another amd64 to build with | 06:12 |
| imbrandon | hahaha LaserJock | 06:13 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: i have 2 amd64's but the other one only has 512 ram | 06:13 |
| imbrandon | but its a 3400+ | 06:13 |
| imbrandon | also | 06:13 |
| ajmitch | not too bad | 06:13 |
| === ajmitch just has an X2 4200+ | ||
| imbrandon | yea not bad at all, thats the one i put seveas's vm on | 06:14 |
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| ajmitch | plus whatever you're building has to be buildable with make -j | 06:14 |
| imbrandon | nice /me would love an x2 | 06:14 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 06:14 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: yea true but MOST kde apps are even kde itsself | 06:14 |
| tritium | imbrandon: they just got a lot cheaper | 06:14 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: but in the packages? | 06:14 |
| tritium | I ordered an X2 3800+ for my htpc | 06:15 |
| imbrandon | ahh now thats the problem hehe | 06:15 |
| imbrandon | tritium: nice , how much ? | 06:15 |
| ajmitch | yes, we can't modify packages too much | 06:15 |
| imbrandon | both the boards i have support the x2's | 06:15 |
| tritium | imbrandon: it was only $150 or so | 06:15 |
| tritium | Thanks to reduced prices after Intel released Conroe | 06:15 |
| imbrandon | nice thats about what i payed for the 3400+ when i bouthg them | 06:15 |
| ajmitch | good, new xserver-xgl built on i386 & amd64 | 06:15 |
| imbrandon | nice | 06:16 |
| tritium | imbrandon: yep :) | 06:16 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: do the x2's help with build time that much without -j ? | 06:17 |
| imbrandon | liek -j4 or whatever | 06:17 |
| crimsun | cool addition to dapper's kernel: dazuko. | 06:17 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: not at all | 06:17 |
| bddebian | OK, last sync of the night. Gnight folks | 06:17 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: dident think so | 06:17 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: what's that? | 06:17 |
| imbrandon | gnight bddebian | 06:18 |
| crimsun | http://www.dazuko.org/about.shtml | 06:18 |
| ajmitch | interesting | 06:19 |
| imbrandon | yea that looks cool, its in the dapper kernel ? | 06:20 |
| === ajmitch was about to ask that | ||
| crimsun | yes, just merged hours ago. | 06:20 |
| imbrandon | cool | 06:20 |
| ajmitch | strange | 06:20 |
| ajmitch | I didn't think dapper would get new features like that | 06:21 |
| === imbrandon either , but looks nice | ||
| LaserJock | hmm, firefox doesn't seem to to be using my flash plugin :? | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | :/ | 06:21 |
| crimsun | is it installed with valid symlinks? | 06:21 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: did you install ff form mozill or the repo, if from mozilla you have to symlink the plugin | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | repo | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure that it's picking up acroread either | 06:22 |
| crimsun | are they listed in 'about:plugins'? | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | hum, i would still check the symlinks , probbly in mozilla-firefox/plugins and not firefox/plugins | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | yea or what crimsun said ;) | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | I get shockwave flash (for .swf) in about:plugins | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | but no acroread | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | and flash sites don't show up | 06:24 |
| imbrandon | shockwave == windows only i thought | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | that's odd | 06:25 |
| crimsun | which version of the Flash plugin? | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | dapper's | 06:26 |
| crimsun | (7.0.63 being listed in 'about:plugins', I meant) | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | I also installed libflash-mozplugin | 06:28 |
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| LaserJock | but acroread is sort of weird because it doesn't even show up in about:plugins | 06:28 |
| crimsun | Remove libflash-mozplugin. | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | what's a good flash test site | 06:29 |
| crimsun | homestarrunner.com | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | it's one of the few reasons to run flsah | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | well, right now I'm trying to get a recipe site, my wife's only reason for using Windows ;-) | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | ok, flash seems to work on homestarrunner.com | 06:31 |
| crimsun | (you probably won't have audio by default, but that's another beast altogether) | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | well, I usually don't have audio to start with (stupid toshiba) | 06:32 |
| crimsun | (please tell me you've filed a bug at least) | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | why? it's not your problem | 06:33 |
| ajmitch | crimsun loves those audio bugs | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | it works better in Ubuntu then it does in Windows, I'm happy | 06:33 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: explain what you mean by 'not your problem' | 06:33 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: generally it is. If it doesn't work by default, it's good to know so it can be fixed. | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | it's not the OS | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | it's a problem with the laptop. if you come out of suspend you get no sound | 06:34 |
| ajmitch | hardware problems can possibly be worked around | 06:34 |
| === Hobbsee gives up, and makes a mental note to fight with the quiz later. | ||
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Two easy? :) | 06:34 |
| ajmitch | eg by reinitialising the sound card when waking up from suspend | 06:34 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: no. it's being painful | 06:34 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: ah, so it does work but just not after resuming? Are you running the latest bios for that laptop? | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | it's something to do with the modem and sound card conflict | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: sure, it's a know problem that toshiba refuses to fix :-) | 06:35 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: which model toshiba? | 06:35 |
| tritium | LaserJock: damn Toshiba! They wouldnt fix my hard drive since it a UK model, and Im in the US | 06:36 |
| tritium | (even though it under warranty) | 06:36 |
| crimsun | tritium loves the apostrophes. | 06:36 |
| tritium | sorry, I cannot seem to stop using contractions just because I am using edgy | 06:36 |
| crimsun | no you must! ;-p | 06:37 |
| tritium | :) | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | tritium: hehe, they just replaced my hard drive | 06:37 |
| tritium | LaserJock: rub it in! | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | tritium: I have to use a little waded piece of paper to keep it in | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | not cool | 06:37 |
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| imbrandon | chewing gum | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:38 |
| tritium | That is like a Macgyver solution! | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | of course | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | lol | 06:38 |
| tritium | :) | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | I grew up in Montana :-) | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | we had Macgyver'ing down pat | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: just go win 1,000,000,000 at Harrah's and buy us all new lappy's ;) | 06:38 |
| tritium | Cool :) | 06:38 |
| tritium | maybe we should have an ubuntu card-counting team, like MIT did a few years ago | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: hehe, not likely (or rather, not very probable) | 06:39 |
| tritium | They all won big ;) | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | hehe, you guys can camp out at my place | 06:39 |
| imbrandon | hahaha true, and hit reno not vegas | 06:39 |
| imbrandon | actualy i would rather hit vegas , my wifes too close to reno for my comfort | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | ;P | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: I've got a Sattelite A65-S126, btw | 06:41 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: ahh...does yours overheat? | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: Lake Tahoe? | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: yes | 06:41 |
| tritium | LaserJock: okay, see you in a few hours. Leaving after I pack ;) | 06:41 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: yeah, thought it might. rotten thing | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: or it used to | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: pyrmid lake | 06:41 |
| tritium | imbrandon: you are in NV too? | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | tritium: no i just moved from there ( reno ) when i filed for divorce , wife stil there | 06:42 |
| crimsun | oh man, it just dawned on me that imbrandon has upload privs. | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | still* | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | crimsun: hahaha | 06:42 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: yes, he can break things now | 06:42 |
| tritium | imbrandon: oh, sorry to hear | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | actualy i'm working on fixing a broken kvirc atm stupid thing | 06:42 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: almost as bad as me being able to upload | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | tritium: no biggie ;) | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | tritium: you sure they will let you go? | 06:42 |
| tritium | LaserJock: they being work? | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 06:42 |
| tritium | heh, no, I have a trip on Thursday again | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I'll come if you pay for my airfares | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: it once overheated so bad I had to keep an icepack over the top right of the keyboard to boot it | 06:43 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: eeek! mine's never gotten that bad | 06:43 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: wow thats hot | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: hmm, I got lots of dental bills | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: although mine has a sick fan. ajmitch can tell you. | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | chronically broken fan | 06:44 |
| tritium | TheMuso: are you quoting Paris Hilton? | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | I sent it to Toshiba (had to pay for shipping :( ), I think all they did was replace the hard drive | 06:45 |
| TheMuso | no | 06:45 |
| tritium | :) | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | so now it gets hot to the touch, but I haven't had any problems with it | 06:45 |
| imbrandon | see we need the next UDS to be in reno / vegas so we can do the MIT thing ;) | 06:45 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: ^^ | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | heck yeah | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | we can certainly provide better food | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | lol | 06:46 |
| tritium | That would be cool, but... | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | reno would be much better imho than vegas though | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | plus not as HOT | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | and lake tahoe and pyrmid lake | 06:47 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 06:47 |
| tritium | Santa Fe or Albuquerque, man! | 06:47 |
| LaserJock | nooo | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | and , grrr i wish i was still there actualy but i dont wanna get that close again heh | 06:47 |
| LaserJock | I want to get out | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | heh LaserJock trade me , lol | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | actualy i wanna go see EU | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | possibly move there | 06:48 |
| imbrandon | dunno | 06:48 |
| imbrandon | just need a change from KC | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | actually, my friend got married in Lawerence, KS and I was his best man. I liked it | 06:48 |
| tritium | imbrandon: I go to K.C. often | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | but actually, Reno is just too big for me | 06:48 |
| === ajmitch should move soon | ||
| imbrandon | tritium: cool i was born and grew up here, when i got married i moved to nashville for work and then Reno for her family , divorced and moved back to KC, been back here about a year now | 06:49 |
| tritium | imbrandon: cool, next time I am in town, I will let you know | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | yup yup, we can go grab a beer^coffee or something ;) | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | I'd like to move back to Montana, but the connections are terrible | 06:50 |
| tritium | Or barbecue :) | 06:50 |
| imbrandon | yea Jack Stack BBQ is the best | 06:50 |
| tritium | Absolutely | 06:50 |
| imbrandon | BBQ is about the only good think KC puts out hehe | 06:50 |
| imbrandon | well and the cheifs durring football season | 06:51 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: yea you would have to get satalite internet in Montanna | 06:52 |
| imbrandon | or somethng | 06:52 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: actually, if you are in the city you can get DSL or cable | 06:52 |
| LaserJock | but it's really hard if you are even like 1 mile outside the city limits | 06:52 |
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| === imbrandon is a city boy, i dont like being out in the middle of no where | ||
| LaserJock | ajmitch: I agree | 06:52 |
| imbrandon | hehe ajmitch your not far from there now are you ? | 06:53 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: I hope you don't mean those of us from AU who are currently present here. | 06:53 |
| imbrandon | lol @ TheMuso | 06:53 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: not you, specifically | 06:53 |
| imbrandon | hahaha | 06:53 |
| TheMuso | Well that answers my question. | 06:53 |
| ajmitch | :) | 06:53 |
| imbrandon | leaves StevenK and Hobbsee ;) | 06:53 |
| TheMuso | You can stay as far away from others as you like if you really want. | 06:53 |
| Hobbsee | what's this? | 06:53 |
| ajmitch | I've met them, I know they're weird.. | 06:54 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: heh. we're very weird, yes | 06:54 |
| imbrandon | lol | 06:54 |
| TheMuso | Weird, no. Funny, yes. | 06:54 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: you found us funny? | 06:54 |
| TheMuso | As in humor funny. | 06:54 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt actually remember saying much at all. | ||
| === Hobbsee was quiet over dinner. i remember that much. | ||
| TheMuso | It was primarily StevenK I think yeah | 06:54 |
| ajmitch | ah, you all met up? | 06:55 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: doing the heckling :P | 06:55 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: slug. | 06:55 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. You had this speak only when spoken to thing going. | 06:55 |
| LaserJock | everybody here wants to move to AU or NZ, but I've watched too much Crocodile Hunter :/ | 06:55 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: right | 06:55 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: hobbsee was actually quiet? | 06:55 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Yes, and other things | 06:55 |
| imbrandon | hahahahahahahahha @ LaserJock | 06:55 |
| TheMuso | Depends on what point of the evening you are referring to. | 06:55 |
| tritium | I could never leave NM. I would miss the red/green chile. | 06:56 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: we don't have crocodiles in NZ | 06:56 |
| === Hobbsee thought that she was quiet all night. | ||
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: until you were being poked by StevenK? | 06:56 |
| TheMuso | Only when you had a physical go at StevenK. | 06:56 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: i was poking him. :P | 06:56 |
| TheMuso | Then you were quite vocal. | 06:56 |
| tritium | Hobbsee: hope you washed your hands after using that lab computer keyboard | 06:56 |
| TheMuso | Because he would return the gestures. | 06:56 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: hehe...true. | 06:56 |
| imbrandon | lol | 06:56 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: doesn't surprise me in the least | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | tritium: dude, you can get that other places, I'm sure | 06:56 |
| tritium | LaserJock: not the same | 06:56 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: yes. i'm usually quiet, you know. | 06:57 |
| TheMuso | I am sure you aren't around your friends however | 06:57 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: well... | 06:57 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: quiet ? /me somehow dosent beleave that knowing her on irc | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking of trying to postdoc down there tritium, but after this summer I don't think I could handle the heat | 06:57 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: hehe. yes, i do get quiet. | 06:57 |
| tritium | LaserJock: I still think you should come | 06:58 |
| imbrandon | hehe LaserJock come to MU | 06:58 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:58 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Well I guess you would feel more open around your friends, and would feel like talking more. | 06:58 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: do postdoc in NZ | 06:58 |
| TheMuso | We were probably a big bunch of strangers. | 06:58 |
| TheMuso | I know I felt the same at my first slug. | 06:58 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: wasnt that so much - just a whole lot of big tall guys and little me thinking "eek!" | 06:58 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: not a bad idea, but I'm not sure if I (and my family) could handle that | 06:59 |
| === ajmitch would love to get to a slug meetup | ||
| TheMuso | Well you shouldn't. :) | 06:59 |
| TheMuso | We're not going to bite your head off. | 06:59 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: you could have :P | 06:59 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: not really.. | 06:59 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: then what were all those heads i saw in the foyer @ slug? | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | newbies | 06:59 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: lol | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | and since you aren't one of those you would be fine ;-) | 07:00 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: hehe...yeah...i was lucky, this time... TheMuso could have bashed them all up with his cane. | 07:00 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: btw i ment to ask, how was RLUG ? | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: cool, very cool | 07:00 |
| imbrandon | cool | 07:00 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Its too flimsy for that. | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | I noticed I have a hard time not talking about Ubuntu | 07:01 |
| ajmitch | heh | 07:01 |
| TheMuso | And I would never even remotely think of doing such a thing to strangers. | 07:01 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: heh. find a way :P | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: heh me the same at kclug, infact i have about 3/4 if nto more converted to *buntu | 07:01 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: awww...pity | 07:01 |
| TheMuso | There are people there that I know, but not all of them/ | 07:01 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: true, I could go to a LUG meeting tonight | 07:01 |
| ajmitch | if I really felt that way | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: yeah, most of the people who were there ran Ubuntu at some point | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: they more about Linux than me | 07:02 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: I'm a real softy. | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | they get a kick out of having a MOTU there ? hehe | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | I don't know if they were scared or didn't care | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | we have a DD in our lug, i forgot his name i need to look it up | 07:02 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: he's not just any MOTU | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | i should talk to him more | 07:02 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: we have 4 or 5 DDs in our LUG | 07:03 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: sure sure | 07:03 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: nice | 07:03 |
| ajmitch | a group of maybe 20-30 people | 07:03 |
| === Hobbsee wouldnt know what we have. just a lot of people | ||
| TheMuso | I am telling the complete and honest truth. | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | ok, time to go to bed. good night MOTU land | 07:03 |
| ajmitch | so the ratio of developers to new people is quite lopsided | 07:03 |
| ajmitch | night LaserJock | 07:03 |
| tritium | Good night, LaserJock | 07:03 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: yea we have about ~30ish or so but only about 20 show up to any one meeting | 07:03 |
| imbrandon | gnight LaserJock | 07:03 |
| ajmitch | we'd be lucky to have that many | 07:03 |
| TheMuso | SLUG meetings are always quite active. | 07:03 |
| TheMuso | At least 40-50 most months as far as I can tell. | 07:04 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: :) i know | 07:04 |
| === ajmitch can think of at least 5 DDs, that is.. there may be more in Dunedin | ||
| LaserJock | I got some people interested in Edubuntu :-) | 07:04 |
| === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away | ||
| imbrandon | cool | 07:04 |
| === TheMuso can't decide whether Hobbsee meant that in sarcasm or not. | ||
| Laser_away | imbrandon: there is a guy that works in IT in the Washoe County School district ;-) | 07:04 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: i didnt | 07:04 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: ie, it wasnt sarcasm | 07:05 |
| Laser_away | imbrandon: wants to get some Linux computer labs :-) | 07:05 |
| imbrandon | most of the guys in our lug run debian testing ( 80+ % ) and the rest run a mix of gentoo or a ubuntu flavor | 07:05 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: yes, all the way from a uni sysadmin to a retired priest ;) | 07:05 |
| TheMuso | Oh ok. I'll take your word for it. | 07:05 |
| === Laser_away is really away now | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe bye Laser_away | 07:05 |
| imbrandon | hehe l8tr Laser_away | 07:05 |
| nictuku | night Laser_away | 07:05 |
| TheMuso | What is with everybody using shortened numbers/letters to write stuff? | 07:06 |
| TheMuso | WIth a speech synth, it kinda gets annoying. | 07:06 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: they like to be different | 07:06 |
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| imbrandon | TheMuso: whoops | 07:06 |
| ajmitch | even without a speech synth, it's quite annoying to read | 07:06 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon: Don't worry. | 07:06 |
| imbrandon | old bad ahbbit really | 07:06 |
| TheMuso | its only when they are used several dozen times in one sentence that it gets annoying. | 07:06 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: you'll cope :P | 07:06 |
| imbrandon | habbit | 07:06 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: I've managed to cope with understanding an australian accent, so yes, I'd expect I would | 07:07 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: habit! | 07:07 |
| TheMuso | I guess it depends on how fast one can type. | 07:07 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: poor you. because we australians are oh so horrible. | 07:07 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: exactly | 07:07 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:07 |
| TheMuso | Well, almost all of us. | 07:07 |
| === Hobbsee axe murders ajmitch | ||
| === Hobbsee has very long arms :D | ||
| TheMuso | There are some who aren't horrible. They're damn fowl. :) | 07:08 |
| ajmitch | friendly, isn't she? | 07:08 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:08 |
| nictuku | I was interviewed last week by an australian, it took me a few minutes to start understanding what he was talking about | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: very | 07:08 |
| TheMuso | We should cage her up and blindfold her. Or even just blindfold her. | 07:08 |
| === Hobbsee bites. | ||
| === tritium bets he could not detect a difference in AU vs. NZ accents... | ||
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: no....dont think that's a good idea... | 07:08 |
| TheMuso | tritium: There is a difference. | 07:08 |
| ajmitch | tritium: you probably could | 07:08 |
| TheMuso | No doubt about that | 07:08 |
| imbrandon | actualy i have a harder time understanding a brit accent than a AU one | 07:08 |
| tritium | TheMuso: I sure, but not one I would notice | 07:09 |
| === TheMuso loves both NZ and UK English accents. | ||
| crimsun | how are the onomatopes? | 07:09 |
| TheMuso | It was awesome listening to those from the UK in Paris. | 07:09 |
| imbrandon | crimsun: huh ? | 07:09 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: definetly :) | 07:09 |
| crimsun | just wondering about the [subjective] 'quality' of words like "whir", "buzz", etc. | 07:10 |
| imbrandon | TheMuso: heh yea actualy i LIKE the accent ( and a north east US accent too ) but its just hard for me to understand at time , although i could understand scott good | 07:10 |
| crimsun | sorry, through a speech synth | 07:10 |
| TheMuso | They're ok. | 07:11 |
| TheMuso | What would you expect to find wrong with them? | 07:11 |
| TheMuso | Just fire up festival and listen for yourself. | 07:11 |
| === TheMuso isn't using festival atm. | ||
| crimsun | TheMuso: well, I would expect "whir" to be fine, but "whrr" and "bzzz"? | 07:11 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: what sort of british accent? | 07:11 |
| TheMuso | Just spells out the letters quickly. | 07:11 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: there are a large number of accents now | 07:12 |
| crimsun | ah, makes sense | 07:12 |
| tritium | TheMuso: you are using the screen reader? | 07:12 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: i dident kow there was diffrent ones tbh , i've only been exposed to brit accents through bbc tv ;) | 07:12 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:12 |
| === ajmitch was disappointed to learn that the SoC cheque won't clear for a week or so | ||
| TheMuso | Because there are no vowel sounds. | 07:12 |
| ajmitch | a good thing I've got meals planned for the next few days | 07:12 |
| TheMuso | tritium: Yes. | 07:12 |
| TheMuso | I am using speakup. | 07:12 |
| TheMuso | With an external speech synth. | 07:13 |
| tritium | Cool. | 07:13 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: that sucks | 07:13 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: Yikes. | 07:14 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: standard NZ banks - if you want it sooner, they charge you | 07:14 |
| TheMuso | If all goes well in edgy, everybody using Ubuntu edgy will be able to use it. | 07:14 |
| imbrandon | cool TheMuso | 07:14 |
| tritium | TheMuso: speakup? Without additional hardware? | 07:15 |
| TheMuso | Yep/. | 07:15 |
| TheMuso | SOftware speech/. | 07:15 |
| tritium | That is awesome. I wish they were available about 15 years ago. | 07:15 |
| TheMuso | heh | 07:15 |
| tritium | dad could have used ti... | 07:16 |
| tritium | s/ti/it | 07:16 |
| TheMuso | I have one external, and three internal hardware speech synths. | 07:16 |
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| TheMuso | Although they're nowhere near as common today as they were ten years ago/ | 07:17 |
| TheMuso | Damn typing. | 07:17 |
| tritium | Well, I better get some sleep. Good night! | 07:19 |
| ajmitch | night tritium | 07:20 |
| === Hobbsee is off | ||
| Hobbsee | petrol calls. | 07:22 |
| === Hobbsee remembers it being cold outside. darn. | ||
| ajmitch | heh | 07:22 |
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| imbrandon | hrm crimsun do you know anything about international char input stuff ? | 07:45 |
| imbrandon | there is a guy in #kubuntu , with truble writing swedish chars but can read them, i have no clue about non-us stuff | 07:46 |
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| Hobbsee | hi again everyone | 08:18 |
| nictuku | hi Hobbsee | 08:22 |
| nictuku | and bye! | 08:22 |
| Hobbsee | hi nictuku :) | 08:22 |
| Hobbsee | bye! | 08:22 |
| TheMuso | The MOTU bug fixer extraordinaire returns. | 08:23 |
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| Hobbsee | TheMuso: wouldnt bet on that. | 08:26 |
| TheMuso | Well don't say people didn't appreciate the work you have done. :) | 08:28 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: hehe, okay then, i wont. | 08:29 |
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| Hobbsee | hey holy crap1 | 08:31 |
| Hobbsee | this card works out of the box, AND with wpa! | 08:31 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: you find that surprising? | 08:33 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: yes | 08:33 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: very | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | why? | 08:33 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: because my wifi cards usually suck. | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | what are you using now? | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | I guess that one may have sucked too | 08:34 |
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| ajmitch | hi dholbach | 08:34 |
| dholbach | good morning, happy hug day | 08:36 |
| dholbach | hey ajmitch | 08:36 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch: got a quick question for ya since you brought up the ccache thing earlier , i did mine kinda by the seat of my pants , just want to veryify its the "right way" ... i added the following to my ~/.pbuilderrc | 08:38 |
| imbrandon | export CCACHE_DIR=/var/cache/pbuilder/ccache | 08:38 |
| imbrandon | export PATH=/usr/lib/ccache:${PATH} | 08:38 |
| imbrandon | EXTRAPACKAGES=ccache | 08:38 |
| imbrandon | BINDMOUNTS=${CCACHE_DIR} | 08:38 |
| ajmitch | yes? | 08:38 |
| imbrandon | that the way its "recomended" to be done for pbuilder ? | 08:38 |
| ajmitch | that may work, depending on the ownership of /var/cache/pbuilder/ccache | 08:39 |
| imbrandon | owned by me ( i'm the only user on that box ) | 08:39 |
| ajmitch | if it's not writable by the pbuilder user (usually 1234), then it will silently fail | 08:39 |
| imbrandon | yea it works, just dident know if it was the "right way" | 08:39 |
| ajmitch | are you sure it works? | 08:39 |
| imbrandon | hrm lemme look | 08:39 |
| ajmitch | CCACHE_DIR=/var/cache/pbuilder/ccache ccache -s | 08:40 |
| ajmitch | run that, see if you've got cache hits/misses | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | brandon@voyager:/var/cache/pbuilder$ ls -l | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | total 0 | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 48 2006-08-02 01:29 ccache | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | nope | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | maybe its not workign then | 08:41 |
| ajmitch | probably not | 08:41 |
| imbrandon | max cache size is the only thing that returned non zero | 08:41 |
| imbrandon | hrmfh | 08:41 |
| ajmitch | time to fix permissions then :) | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | should i just point it to my home dir ? | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | well ~/ccache | 08:42 |
| ajmitch | no | 08:42 |
| ajmitch | since pbuilder is most likely not setup to run as yourself | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | chown 1234.1234 ccache | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | ? | 08:42 |
| ajmitch | yes | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | kk | 08:43 |
| ajmitch | then try a quick build, and see if it works | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | hrm something that builds fast heheh *looks* | 08:44 |
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| ajmitch | Hobbsee: not quite as stable as you hoped? | 08:48 |
| imbrandon | she get the dwl-6{3,5}0 ? | 08:48 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: i was in dapper | 08:48 |
| Hobbsee | ie, swapped back to dapper, then went to edgy again | 08:48 |
| Hobbsee | dwl-g650, yeah | 08:48 |
| imbrandon | nice | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | works like you hoped ? | 08:49 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yeah, works with StevenK's network manager - even with wpa. | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | right | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | I'd hope so | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | heh | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | is that the atheros chipset in that card? | 08:49 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: yep :) | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | yea i think so and the 630 had ralink | 08:50 |
| ajmitch | right | 08:50 |
| ajmitch | I know some of the later 650+ had a different chipset | 08:50 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yeah, it did. they even have the revisions on the outside of the box. wow! | 08:50 |
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| imbrandon | heh | 08:50 |
| imbrandon | told ya it was like a candy store ;) | 08:50 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch: i shouldent get any thing untill the second build right ? | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: you should get cache misses the first time | 08:51 |
| imbrandon | k | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | & files stored in the cache | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | assuming you're building some C or C++ | 08:51 |
| imbrandon | yea | 08:51 |
| imbrandon | knet was what i choose to test | 08:52 |
| imbrandon | IE c++ | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | ok | 08:52 |
| imbrandon | its still building the first time | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | any files in the cache? | 08:52 |
| imbrandon | so i'm waiting, i probbly shoudl have chose an hello world app | 08:52 |
| imbrandon | not yet | 08:52 |
| imbrandon | gah | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | ok its done ( first time ) and none | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | ;( | 08:53 |
| ajmitch | right | 08:53 |
| ajmitch | check what user pbuilder is configured to run builds as | 08:53 |
| ajmitch | eg BUILDUSERID=1234 | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | yup | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | BUILDUSERID=1234 | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | BUILDUSERNAME=pbuilder | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | drwxrwxrwx 2 1234 1234 48 2006-08-02 01:29 ccache | 08:54 |
| === ajmitch has BUILDUSERNAME commented out, if it matters | ||
| imbrandon | hrm i'll try that and also , its using the /var/cache/pbuilder/edgy/pbuilderrc but i have that ccache stuff in my ~/.pbuilderrc | 08:55 |
| imbrandon | it shoudl still read both right ? | 08:55 |
| ajmitch | I believe so | 08:56 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: the more files you ahve, the more room for error | 08:56 |
| ajmitch | I don't bother with anything outside ~ | 08:56 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: i know ;) but only system wide stuff i put in the main one and the rest in my ~ | 08:56 |
| imbrandon | err try to | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | heh | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | just for grins i'm going to add it to the main pbuilderrc and see if it makes a diff | 08:57 |
| ajmitch | did you see the build adding the ccache package? | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | no | 08:58 |
| ajmitch | and mounting the ccache dir? | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | yea it did mount that | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | hrm so its reading it | 08:58 |
| ajmitch | I presume you keep build logs? | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | normaly not this time | 08:59 |
| imbrandon | ok i commented out the username only and going to try again ( logging this time lol ) | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | left it in my ~ since obviously its reading it as it mounted the dir | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok now we're getting somewhere ..... | 09:08 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: http://pastebin.ca/111221 | 09:10 |
| imbrandon | can you look at that | 09:10 |
| ajmitch | I can | 09:10 |
| ajmitch | that's special | 09:11 |
| imbrandon | lol | 09:11 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: what are you trying to do? | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: unquote it | 09:11 |
| imbrandon | add ccache to the build precess to speed up milti builds | 09:12 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: kk | 09:12 |
| imbrandon | multi* | 09:12 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: though it shouldn't be necessary, looking at this | 09:12 |
| imbrandon | wow | 09:13 |
| imbrandon | that worked | 09:13 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:13 |
| imbrandon | now to see if its actualy hitting the cache | 09:13 |
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| pmjdebruijn | lo | 09:20 |
| ajmitch | hi | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | pmjdebruijn: 'ello | 09:20 |
| pmjdebruijn | my package isn't producing a diff anymore, only a tar.gz with everything in it? | 09:20 |
| pmjdebruijn | could this be because I changed the version numbering? | 09:21 |
| ajmitch | yes | 09:21 |
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| imbrandon | yes if there isnt a orig.tar.gz to match | 09:21 |
| ajmitch | you must have a tarball named like package_1.2.3.orig.tar.gz | 09:21 |
| ajmitch | where 1.2.3 is the upstream version | 09:21 |
| imbrandon | hrm bbiab | 09:21 |
| pmjdebruijn | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19460 | 09:22 |
| ajmitch | and the package is? | 09:22 |
| pmjdebruijn | ajmitch, openradius | 09:23 |
| pmjdebruijn | but evblib seems to have the same issue | 09:23 |
| ajmitch | so openradius_060405.orig.tar.gz should be openradius_0.9.12+0.9.13pre060405.orig.tar.gz | 09:23 |
| pmjdebruijn | ajmitch, aha, right, thanks | 09:24 |
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| pmjdebruijn | ajmitch, thanks again... it worked like a charm | 09:41 |
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| TheMuso | Is there a way of doing apt-cache rdepends for source packages? | 11:47 |
| Gloubiboulga | TheMuso, to find the build deps? | 11:48 |
| TheMuso | Gloubiboulga: Yeah. I am looking at a package that doesn't have anything mentioned with apt-cache rdepends, but it is a dev package so something must need it to build. I want to know what that package is. | 11:49 |
| TheMuso | The package specifically is flite1-dev | 11:49 |
| Gloubiboulga | apt-cache showsrc flite1-dev | 11:49 |
| Gloubiboulga | is that what you want? | 11:49 |
| TheMuso | No. | 11:49 |
| TheMuso | I want to know what package build-deps on flite1-dev | 11:50 |
| TheMuso | Without knowing what package uses it. | 11:50 |
| StevenK | rdepends won't tell you. | 11:50 |
| StevenK | grep-available? | 11:50 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: I know that. | 11:50 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok, got it, but I don't know if apt-cache can do that | 11:50 |
| TheMuso | No I don't think it can either. | 11:50 |
| TheMuso | I have another idea which I'm going to try. | 11:51 |
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| StevenK | TheMuso: brltty | 11:52 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: Yeah seems so. | 11:52 |
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| Toadstool | heya | 11:59 |
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| phanatic | hello everyone | 12:08 |
| Toadstool | hi phanatic | 12:10 |
| phanatic | hi Toadstool | 12:11 |
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| micah_c | What's the process for bugs that are assigned to MOTU-Reviewers? ...I'm interested in 45930, which is for the "joystick" package (jstest and similar). It's a /very/ inessential package; however, I've submitted a patch that fixes the issue, and am just curious when I might expect to see the package updated? I'm not impatient or anything.. | 12:15 |
| phanatic | micah_c: ping a MOTU who has some time to review it and upload it for you. you can make MOTUs' life easier by attaching a debdiff to the bug report... | 12:17 |
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| micah_c | Thanks phanatic. | 12:19 |
| phanatic | np | 12:20 |
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| thom | guys, is anyone looking at puppet (should just be a sync from debian, but ubuntu doesn't have it at all yet) | 12:25 |
| tseng | thom: if you file a sync request and poke me, I will ack it | 12:26 |
| tseng | file a bug in launchpad and *subscribe* ubuntu-archive | 12:28 |
| tseng | not assign | 12:28 |
| thom | ok | 12:29 |
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| thom | tseng: bug on what package? | 12:30 |
| tseng | thom: puppet will work I believe | 12:30 |
| dholbach | if we don't have it, then no package | 12:31 |
| tseng | it looks like a fun tool | 12:31 |
| tseng | I wonder if I can trick it into doing a bzr branch/pull and package installs | 12:32 |
| tseng | cfengine scares me | 12:32 |
| ogra | tseng++ | 12:32 |
| ogra | rather use preseeding ;) | 12:33 |
| ogra | ...with debconf | 12:33 |
| tseng | ogra: I never did figure out netbooting | 12:33 |
| thom | tseng: #54912 | 12:33 |
| tseng | I guess I could remaster the cd too | 12:33 |
| thom | cfengine is evil | 12:33 |
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| ogra | thom, well, half of debian would disagree :) | 12:33 |
| thom | dholbach: *hugs* | 12:34 |
| ogra | i often get beaten up if i state that :) | 12:34 |
| dholbach | :-) | 12:34 |
| thom | ogra: half of debian would disagree about the colour of the sky, so that's not a useful metric :) | 12:34 |
| ogra | lol | 12:34 |
| dholbach | haha | 12:34 |
| tseng | er | 12:35 |
| tseng | dpkg-buildpackage on this thing takes 10 seconds | 12:35 |
| tseng | is this all shell? | 12:36 |
| tseng | ACK'd, anyway | 12:36 |
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| shawarma | Is Edgy in a somewhat coherent state these days? (actual question: can i upgrade to Edgy and still do anything at all?) | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | shawarma: possibly. | 01:10 |
| Hobbsee | shawarma: i've been using it for a while without major problems. except artsd | 01:10 |
| Hobbsee | but ymmv | 01:10 |
| shawarma | Hobbsee: That's all I wanted to head. | 01:10 |
| shawarma | er.. | 01:10 |
| shawarma | hear, of course. | 01:10 |
| shawarma | It wouldn't be fun without a bit of breakage. | 01:11 |
| ajmitch | then edgy is lots of fun! | 01:11 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: :-) | 01:11 |
| shawarma | It's starting to get annoying getting stuff into edgy but not be able to use it myself. :-) | 01:11 |
| BazziR | shawarma: why don't you chroot/vmware it? then you've got a safe fallback system | 01:12 |
| shawarma | BazziR: That's for wimps. :-) | 01:12 |
| shawarma | If anything, I might setup a chroot with Dapper in it. :-) | 01:13 |
| BazziR | ooo | 01:13 |
| thom | tseng: thanks dude | 01:13 |
| shawarma | So if everything fails, I can just chroot into that and be happy. | 01:13 |
| BazziR | dont you have to have a running kernel to chroot into it? ;) | 01:14 |
| shawarma | BazziR: Easy | 01:14 |
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| shawarma | BazziR: Just leave the kernel and initrd from a Dapper image lying around somewhere.. | 01:15 |
| shawarma | BazziR: Of course, there's the UUID mouting thing... Oh, well. I'll figure it out when it arises. | 01:15 |
| BazziR | hehe | 01:15 |
| tseng | thom: np | 01:20 |
| shawarma | I'm by the way still looking for reviewers for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2803 | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | shawarma: well the last comment is on clarifying license issues, right? | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | has that been cleared up? | 01:21 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: Yes. | 01:21 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: there. Added a comment saying just that. | 01:24 |
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| imbrandon | crimsun: good news , apt-mirror upstream finaly reappeared and emailed me back and is active on his site, working with him to get his version and some other things patched now | 01:28 |
| imbrandon | seems he was on a short vacation he said | 01:29 |
| imbrandon | heh | 01:29 |
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| phanatic | raphink: please ping me back if you have 5mins | 01:59 |
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| Libre | Hi | 03:31 |
| sladen | hello Libre, is the weather nice where you are? | 03:34 |
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| Libre | sladen, let me see | 03:37 |
| === Libre goes to the window | ||
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| Libre | sladen some dark clouds maybe rain in two or three hours | 03:38 |
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| sladen | Libre: where in the world is this. Sounds mostly like the part of the Lincoln in the UK I'm in. Only the rain already got here | 03:40 |
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| b_52Centos | hi | 03:44 |
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| Libre | sladen, tropical sunny and violent: Colombia (Start of south america) | 03:50 |
| Libre | b_52Centos, Welcome | 03:51 |
| sladen | Libre: ooh, drug heaven!.. :) | 03:51 |
| Libre | sladen, LOL | 03:51 |
| sladen | I should really find out something about Colombia from behind the headlines | 03:52 |
| Libre | sladen, I guess | 03:52 |
| b_52Centos | Libre, thanks :D | 03:53 |
| Libre | sladen, don't try with the movie Mr. & Mrs. Smith http://www.imdb.com/Title?0356910 | 03:54 |
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| === shawarma is upgrading to Edgy. Better put on "Welcome to the Jungle" by Guns'n'Roses. | ||
| Hobbsee | shawarma: yay! i broke it :P | 03:58 |
| shawarma | Hobbsee: What? Edgy? | 03:59 |
| Libre | shawarma, LOL | 03:59 |
| Hobbsee | shawarma: of course. | 03:59 |
| shawarma | Libre: I always listen to that song when I do a dist-upgrade. :-) | 03:59 |
| Libre | shawarma, did you use a chroot? | 04:00 |
| shawarma | Libre: No. | 04:00 |
| shawarma | Libre: I like living on the edge. | 04:00 |
| shawarma | Hobbsee: You shouldn't break other people's things. :-) | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | shawarma: but...but...it's fun! :P | 04:01 |
| shawarma | Hobbsee: Sure is. I intend to break it, too. :-) | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | shawarma: haha...fun :) | 04:02 |
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| Libre | shawarma, edg(e|y) | 04:03 |
| shawarma | Libre: exactamante. | 04:03 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 04:07 |
| shawarma | Hi, bddebian ! | 04:07 |
| bddebian | Hello shawarma | 04:07 |
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| zul | has anyone use freenx before? | 04:55 |
| Libre | zul, what is? | 04:57 |
| zul | its like vnc | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | zul: I got it working once | 04:59 |
| zul | LaserJock: how was it? | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | I think it's fast | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | it was a pain to set up for me, but it could be because I have a sort of non-normal network situation | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | it runs on the ssh port | 04:59 |
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| LaserJock | which was actually not great for me | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | but it is supposed to be faster than vnc | 05:00 |
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| LaserJock | personally, when I'm on a local network I find X forwarding to be the fastest | 05:00 |
| bddebian | Aye but X forwarding sucks over internet connections | 05:01 |
| Sp4rKy | hi MOTU's | 05:01 |
| Sp4rKy | and others :) | 05:01 |
| bddebian | Heya Sp4rKy | 05:02 |
| bddebian | Hi LaserJock, zul :-) | 05:02 |
| Sp4rKy | hey bddebian | 05:02 |
| Gloubiboulga | hello Sp4rKy | 05:02 |
| Sp4rKy | hi Gloubiboulga | 05:02 |
| Sp4rKy | how are you ? | 05:03 |
| bddebian | Heya Gloubiboulga | 05:03 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: I've alway had good success with vnc | 05:03 |
| bddebian | Aye | 05:03 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi bddebian, hi LaserJock | 05:03 |
| Gloubiboulga | Sp4rKy, fine fine :) | 05:03 |
| Sp4rKy | :) | 05:03 |
| Sp4rKy | lucky :p | 05:03 |
| Sp4rKy | i'm tired | 05:03 |
| Sp4rKy | and audacious is difficult :/ | 05:04 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: do we have a School session scheduled for this week at all? | 06:30 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: i'm not aware of it | 06:30 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: hmmm | 06:32 |
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| zul | LaserJock: well it was a nice idea while it lasted ;) | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | whatever | 06:33 |
| zul | kdding! | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | *I'll* even do one if nobody raises a hand | 06:34 |
| dholbach | super! :) | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | problem is, I don't really know anything :/ | 06:35 |
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| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 06:42 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Aye, me too :-( | 06:42 |
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| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 06:43 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: I could do a class on how to annoy core-devs ;-P | 06:49 |
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| phanatic | hello MOTU world | 06:56 |
| Libre | phanatic, hello phanatic | 06:57 |
| phanatic | hi Libre | 06:57 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: hmm, what if somebody did a "How to triage bugs" MOTU School session this week? | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | maybe you or sfflaw? or somebody? | 07:30 |
| zul | that would be a good idea | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | if we could have a relatively easy one this week (since we don't have much time left) then perhaps I can whip up a "Into to Ubuntu packaging" for next week that I can pimp hard on fridge, u-d, and the forums | 07:32 |
| dholbach | ask sfllaw - i think i'll do a "upgrading packages" session, i'm just quite swamped in work atm | 07:32 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: I understand | 07:32 |
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| Sp4rKy | what's the command for add a entry to the debian/changelog ? | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | dch | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | usually dch -i or something similar | 07:39 |
| Sp4rKy | thx | 07:40 |
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| Sp4rKy | when i update a package, do i need recreate patches ? | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | what do you mean by patches? | 07:48 |
| Sp4rKy | i need use patch system because .desktop is not valid | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | the .desktop is in the .orig.tar.gz? | 07:49 |
| Sp4rKy | yes | 07:50 |
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| LaserJock | does the current package use a patch system? | 07:50 |
| Sp4rKy | yes | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | Sp4rKy: what patch system? | 07:52 |
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| bddebian | OK, what have I missed? :-) | 08:12 |
| Yagisan | bddebian, several join and quit messages, a little conversation, and a streaker | 08:13 |
| bddebian | w00t, a streaker? | 08:13 |
| Yagisan | bddebian, it wasn't much to look at | 08:14 |
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| crimsun | imbrandon: excellent (RE: apt-mirror) | 09:00 |
| Sp4rKy | LaserJock, sorry, i'm eating | 09:05 |
| Sp4rKy | LaserJock, dpatch system | 09:05 |
| Sp4rKy | hi raphink | 09:06 |
| raphink | hi Sp4rKy | 09:06 |
| LaserJock | Sp4rKy: and there is already a patch for the .desktop or you need to create one? | 09:07 |
| Sp4rKy | there is already one | 09:08 |
| Sp4rKy | but they doesn't work if i try a pbuild | 09:08 |
| Sp4rKy | so i think i've to modify the patch.... | 09:08 |
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| LaserJock | Sp4rKy: use dpatch-edit-patch <patchname> | 09:23 |
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| Casanova | I get this error ``dh_testdir: I have no package to build'' what could be the reason? | 09:28 |
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| crimsun | missing ./debian/ | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:29 |
| Casanova | crimsun: :| isnt the debian/rules file getting executed | 09:29 |
| Casanova | how can ./debian be missing? | 09:29 |
| crimsun | what's in ./debian/control? | 09:30 |
| crimsun | there are many ways of invoking dh_testdir(1), from ./debian/rules -- while a safe assumption -- isn't readily the case if you're doing it manually. | 09:31 |
| Casanova | crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/112199 and http://pastebin.ca/112201 | 09:31 |
| crimsun | need your ./debian/rules | 09:33 |
| Sp4rKy | LaserJock, thx | 09:34 |
| Sp4rKy | i'll try | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I suppose 02:00 UTC wouldn't be a good time for a school session :/ | 09:34 |
| Casanova | crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/112207 | 09:34 |
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| Sp4rKy | did motu school start ? | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | there have been 2 sessions so far | 09:36 |
| crimsun | Casanova: your ./debian/rules is the culprit. | 09:38 |
| Casanova | crimsun: what is the error there? | 09:38 |
| crimsun | the binary-indep target. | 09:38 |
| Casanova | yes? | 09:38 |
| Casanova | no DH_OPTIONS ? | 09:38 |
| crimsun | no, that's not the issue | 09:40 |
| Sp4rKy | LaserJock, i don't understand what i need to do after dpatch-edit-patch debian/patches/mypatch ? | 09:40 |
| crimsun | where's the debianised source package? | 09:40 |
| Casanova | crimsun: what else is the issue? | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | Sp4rKy: you fix what you want to fix (i.e. the .desktop) and the you type "exit" or do Ctrl-D and it updates the patch | 09:41 |
| crimsun | Casanova: I need to see the actual debianised source package. | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: is he really running debian/rules from within debian/rules? | 09:41 |
| Casanova | crimsun: do you mean the ldtp directory? | 09:41 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: yes, he is, which is a no-no. | 09:41 |
| Casanova | shall i upload it to a remote server? | 09:41 |
| Casanova | crimsun: by the way when i removed the DH_OPTIONS it finished fine | 09:42 |
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| crimsun | Casanova: yes, upload the whole shebang. Also, don't call debian/rules from within debian/rules. | 09:42 |
| crimsun | may as well just review the whole thing while we're looking. | 09:42 |
| Casanova | cool :) | 09:43 |
| Casanova | uploading... | 09:43 |
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| Sp4rKy | LaserJock, so i edit directly the .desktop in the new shell ? | 09:49 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | that's the fun of it | 09:50 |
| dholbach | have a nice evening | 09:53 |
| LaserJock | cya dholbach, I got sfflaw lined up for Friday and I'll do a packaging basics session next Thursday/Friday | 09:54 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: that's super! | 09:54 |
| crimsun | night daniel | 09:55 |
| dholbach | night daniel! | 09:56 |
| Sp4rKy | LaserJock, ok thx | 09:58 |
| Casanova | crimsun: http://people.freedesktop.org/~prashmohan/ldtp-0.5.0/ | 09:58 |
| crimsun | (sec, in a conference call) | 09:59 |
| Casanova | ok | 09:59 |
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| crimsun | Casanova: sorry, but is this the extracted source package? I meant the .orig.tar.gz+.dsc+.diff.gz | 10:08 |
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| bddebian | crimsun: You actually around? | 10:56 |
| crimsun | no. | 10:56 |
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| bddebian | :'-( | 10:59 |
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| bddebian | crimsun: Don't like to me, I "see" you on #edubuntu :-) | 11:07 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: hehe | 11:08 |
| crimsun | bddebian: I probably wouldn't have answered at all if I weren't. | 11:08 |
| bddebian | Bah, I get no love.. :-) | 11:10 |
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| bddebian | So, what would be the proper versioning for attal from CVS? 0.10.1-0+CVS20060802ubuntu1? | 11:11 |
| crimsun | did you completely gut the debian packaging? | 11:13 |
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| bddebian | crimsun: Pretty much. Debian version is 0.9.2 (Though I kept the changelog) | 11:13 |
| crimsun | I'd use 0.10.1.cvs20060802-0ubuntu1 | 11:14 |
| bddebian | OK, thx | 11:14 |
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| bddebian | Anyone have an Edgy install with a high speed connection, wouldn't mind testing some attal .debs for me? | 11:26 |
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| Spec | how can I extract debian/* out of a .deb? | 11:35 |
| LaserJock | you can't | 11:35 |
| LaserJock | at least I don't think you can | 11:35 |
| LaserJock | you can get out a lot of the info | 11:35 |
| Spec | can i extract the pre/post inst scripts? | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | yes | 11:36 |
| Spec | how? :) | 11:36 |
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| bddebian | apt-get source foo ;P | 11:37 |
| Spec | not in a repository | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | perhaps dpkg -e | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | I'd just man dpkg | 11:37 |
| Spec | that got out DEBIAN/* :p | 11:37 |
| Spec | -e = extract control information | 11:38 |
| Spec | i was searching 'man dpkg' for preinst postinst and nothing was relevant | 11:38 |
| Spec | thanks | 11:38 |
| LaserJock | it got everything in debian/ ? | 11:38 |
| LaserJock | ah, control and postinst, etc. | 11:39 |
| Spec | conffiles, config, control, md5sums, postinst, postrm, prerm, templates | 11:39 |
| Spec | didn't get rules, (if there were any) | 11:39 |
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| TheMuso | If any MOTu has a chance, could they please review the debdiff at the end of bug #54936 and upload please. I have been told that UVF is not yet in for us, but at the time, I thought the upstream version freeze a few weeks back also applied to us as well. :) | 11:59 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54936 in speech-dispatcher "UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1." [Untriaged,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54936 | 11:59 |
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