[12:11] <lucas> LaserJock: I don't think so
[12:11] <lucas> however, the sync process is based on bugs filed, and works well
[12:11] <lucas> accepting requests from developers is also different from accepting requests from everybody (as in motu-reviewers)
[12:14] <dholbach> good night guys
[12:14] <crimsun> night daniel
[12:16] <Toadstool> g'night dholbach
[12:16] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[12:16] <dholbach> night guys - you rock! :)
[12:17] <LaserJock> lucas: I think the motu-reviewer's would work if MOTUs used it
[12:18] <LaserJock> I generally don't go "hmm, rather than work on my own stuff, I think I'll go look for things to sponsor"
[12:18] <LaserJock> :-)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hehe, exactly.
[12:18] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: not unless you know the person, and so feel like doing them a favour
[12:19] <LaserJock> exactly, hence the IRC pinging method
[12:19] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: that's the one.
[12:19] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: we need to work on kubuntu not being so cliched, too...
[12:19] <LaserJock> mhm
[12:26] <lucas> I've a package which just needs a rebuild because of an ABI change. should I mail infinity ? upload a -XXXbuild1 package ? file a bug ?
[12:26] <Hobbsee> lucas: discuss with infinity/kamion/etc
[12:45] <Kyral> heh no one caught my comment about me orphaning everything and leaving this project
[12:45] <LaserJock> we're used to it ;-)
[12:46] <LaserJock> besides, nobody wants your GTK1 editor anyway ;-)
[12:46] <Kyral> ....cept this time I am serious...
[12:46] <Kyral> The Forums War....its reaching too far....
[12:48] <LaserJock> Kyral: yeah, but what does the forum have to do with anything here
[12:48] <Kyral> Because...I am involved...the CoC has been disregarded...and corruption has spread..
[12:50] <LaserJock> from what I've seen it is pretty much contained to the forums
[12:52] <Kyral> The future will decide my fate
[12:52] <azeem> mine as well
[12:53] <azeem> damn future
[12:53] <Kyral> If the Right Thing is done, then I will stay
[12:53] <Kyral> else, I'll leave
[12:53] <Kyral> because this has reached the CC
[12:53] <LaserJock> I just don't see why the forum crap would make you leave the whole project
[12:54] <sladen> what's the latest on the "forum crap" ?
[12:55] <Kyral> Kass is being prosecuted for no good damn reason?
[12:55] <LaserJock> I have no idea, that's most of the problem, IMO, the administration of the forums is very closed
[12:55] <Kyral> Which is the problem
[12:56] <Kyral> any discussion on the Forums about this issue and the thread is deleted and users are threatened with banning if they continue
[12:57] <Kyral> In case you can't tell, I support Kassetra....which makes me a big target
[12:59] <LaserJock> anyway, it seems like the forums admins are going through a crisis and what comes of it I don't know
[12:59] <LaserJock> and I don't particularly care to some degree
[12:59] <LaserJock> I don't think the forums will simply go away
[01:00] <LaserJock> Ubuntu is bigger then that
[01:00] <Kyral> I've kept my mouth shut because if I open it I'll go ballistic on people (They wanna see CoC Violations? I'll redefine the term!)
[01:00] <LaserJock> I know ;-)
[01:01] <LaserJock> tseng: some of the forum admins got fired and many other resigned over it
[01:01] <Kyral> heh and this could be considered part of the problem
[01:01] <tseng> saw that
[01:01] <Kyral> the apathy in the project
[01:01] <Kyral> towards the Forums
[01:01] <tseng> yes, I am supremely apethetic to the Forums
[01:01] <tseng> you aren't going to change this
[01:01] <Kyral> Yah I know
[01:01] <LaserJock> Kyral: well, to be honest I think they have a right to be if this is what is produced
[01:01] <LaserJock> I've tried a lot
[01:02] <tseng> the signal to noise is horrific
[01:02] <Kyral> they weren't like the other "branches" of the project
[01:02] <LaserJock> they aren't
[01:02] <LaserJock> at all
[01:02] <Kyral> yet people rely on them more than IRC I would think
[01:02] <Kyral> Grandma knows how to use a BBS
[01:02] <Kyral> Grandma don't know how to use IRC :P
[01:03] <LaserJock> I agree that the forums have a lot of people, but that doesn't me they are *the* community
[01:03] <LaserJock> and they are unwilling to work with the rest of the community
[01:03] <LaserJock> and work like the rest of the community
[01:03] <tseng> unwilling, or unaware
[01:04] <LaserJock> the admins seem only interested in power and control
[01:04] <Kyral> they were unofficial in the first place...so this is a rough transition
[01:05] <TheMuso> Kyral: I know what you mean. I have had groups of friends like that, and it is particularly hard when they both don't get along with each other.
[01:06] <Kyral> So...I defend my Sempai in this one
[01:06] <tseng> Kyral: we are only going to get increasinly frustrated with the forums as the build subpar packages and code in isolation of MOTU
[01:06] <Kyral> You mean Automatix?
[01:06] <tseng> I mean several things
[01:06] <tseng> Automatix makes the list
[01:06] <LaserJock> udsf
[01:07] <tseng> the 4 copies of USlab, the fork of compiz
[01:07] <Kyral> Keep in mind I started packaging by creating unofficial Backports for Breezy until JDong and co could make official ones...
[01:07] <tseng> I'll give you a free pass on that
[01:08] <tseng> I was pretty upset at jdong as well
[01:08] <tseng> this is a recurring trend
[01:08] <Kyral> You can't please everyone :P
[01:08] <tseng> you could at least make an attempt
[01:08] <Kyral> Heh
[01:09] <tseng> this isnt really related to the admin staff, however
[01:09] <Kyral> hell I don't even use the Forums anymore...I'm in this fight on principle
[01:10] <tseng> I could care less about the staff and direction of the forums, other than harmful forking in isolation
[01:13] <LaserJock> well, I like the forums but it needs to learn it's place and play well with the rest of the community
[01:13] <LaserJock> it is *not* a development platform
[01:16] <zul> is it they know not how to approach  -motu?
[01:16] <LaserJock> somewhat
[01:16] <Kyral> they find the guidelines to be concieted or something
[01:16] <zul> wha/
[01:16] <LaserJock> but mostly, from what I've seen, they don't to have to do anything outside the forums
[01:16] <Kyral> Like whenever I tried to point out the DFSG or the New Maintainers Guide I got blasted for being a "Debian User"
[01:17] <Kyral> or harp on CheckInstall :P
[01:17] <LaserJock> yes, people have complained in the past why only certain people can upload
[01:17] <zul> heh...i saw alot of ex-gentoo users
[01:17] <LaserJock> that it is too elitest
[01:17] <Toadstool> wow...
[01:17] <zul> its not elitst...its being sensible
[01:17] <Toadstool> I should read the forums, looks like there are interesting opinions...
[01:20] <TheMuso> I used to love forums, but now I am nowhere near as much of a fan. IMO mailing lists are more efficient.
[01:21] <LaserJock> it just depends on what you are trying to do
[01:21] <LaserJock> if you are trying to just hang out and swap info with other users, forums are great
[01:21] <LaserJock> fairly easy to search, and post
[01:21] <LaserJock> but if you are trying to keep the noise down, it's not great
[01:22] <TheMuso> For me, the inefficiency comes from the fact that you have to go through several steps just to post in a forum, in the correct area.
[01:22] <TheMuso> In that time, I can be well on my way to finishing a post to a mailing list.
[01:23] <LaserJock> well, I don't like email so I tend to not like mailing list very much
[01:23] <LaserJock> but I'd still prefer them over forums for dev work anyday
[01:23] <LaserJock> and they are absolutely *not* the place to track bugs
[01:35] <ajmitch> morning
[01:36] <zul> hej ajmitch
[01:48] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[02:44] <bddebian> Howdy gang
[02:44] <TheMuso> Hey bddebian
[02:44] <bddebian> Hello TheMuso
[02:45] <ajmitch> ah, bddebian
[02:45] <LaserJock> bddebian: hehe, I can always tell when bddebian shows up
[02:45] <LaserJock> my chat client lights up on all channels
[02:46] <ajmitch> hehe
[02:46] <bddebian> Heya Kyral, Laser, ajmitch
[02:46] <Kyral> lol
[02:46] <bddebian> LaserJock: Hehe, sorry
[02:47] <LaserJock> bddebian: no problem
[02:51] <bddebian> Hmm, do I feel like doing anything any more...
[03:13] <zul> Hey Hobbsee_
[03:13] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee_
[03:13] <Hobbsee> hi zul, bddebian, anyone else who said hello before
[03:16] <tritium> Hobbsee: did you make it to class?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> tritium: yeah.  mostly.  ish.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> tritium: enough
[03:16] <bddebian> Heya again tritium
[03:16] <tritium> heh ;)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> tritium: it's not worth going home for a while though
[03:16] <tritium> hi again, bddebian
[03:17] <tseng> bddebian: i need a kickban
[03:17] <Hobbsee> tseng: for what?
[03:17] <tseng> bddebian: to ease my troubled soul
[03:17] <bddebian> tseng: I wish I could and I would man..
[03:17] <tseng> me too
[03:18] <tseng> when is this elusive geek dinner
[03:19] <Hobbsee> tseng: dev summit, maybe?
[03:19] <bmonty> hi everyone
[03:20] <tseng> Hobbsee: no thanks.
[03:21] <tseng> Hobbsee: pleebs arent invited to those, anyway
[03:21] <Hobbsee> tseng: yeah true
[03:22] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[03:22] <bddebian> Oh hush up Hobbsee, you got more kudos than I did.  No one said a word for me :'-(
[03:22] <bmonty> hey bddebian
[03:23] <Hobbsee> bddebian: :(
[03:23] <Hobbsee> bddebian: sure, they said a word to me - it was "no"
[03:23] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:23] <bddebian> Hobbsee: No, I mean at least crimsun and others spoke up about the work you do
[03:23] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ah.   true
[03:24] <Hobbsee> 12% [1 kdelibs-data 2194836/7186kB 30%]                  27.5kB/s 9m38s
[03:24] <Hobbsee> yay for uni connections.
[03:39] <TheMuso> heh
[03:54] <bmonty> hey ajmitch
[03:55] <zul> yay!
[03:55] <LaserJock> hi everybody who has shown up in the last hour!
[03:55] <ajmitch> heh
[03:57] <bddebian> heh
[03:57] <bddebian> wb ajmitch
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hi LaserJock, bmonty
[03:59] <bmonty> hi Hobbsee
[03:59] <bmonty> ok, have we all gotten that out of our systems?
[03:59] <bmonty> :)
[04:00] <Kyral> ow...
[04:00] <Kyral> *bleeds from head*
[04:00] <Kyral> YOU MISSED!
[04:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:00] <Kyral> *passes out from blood loss*
[04:00] <Hobbsee> sorry Kyral :P
[04:01] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: hehe.  it's my axe-murdering tendancies coming out
[04:01] <ajmitch> TheMuso: you only suspect that now?
[04:01] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Well, a lot worse than everyone ever thought.
[04:02] <zul> you people are wacky and slackers
[04:02] <Kyral> I haven't used Slackware in 1.5 years
[04:02] <TheMuso> LOL
[04:02] <TheMuso> Well I haven't used Slackware in 2 years.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> zul: have you fixed all of zen yet?
[04:03] <Kyral> its XEN!
[04:03] <zul> Hobbsee: no i havent fixed zen yet
[04:03] <bddebian> I have NEVER used slackware! :-)
[04:03] <Hobbsee> oh...oops...hehe
[04:03] <zul> Hobbsee: i probably wont fix zen either :)
[04:03] <Hobbsee> the short form of zul's xen.
[04:03] <zul> Hobbsee: pretty frigging close though
[04:03] <Hobbsee> zul: :P
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Kyral: thanks.  next time do it properly, so that i dont ever have to go home, okay?
[04:04] <zul> Hobbsee: you didnt see my screenshot did you...tut tut
[04:04] <Hobbsee> zul: i did...yeah.
[04:05] <zul> cool
[04:06] <bmonty> anyone know who bigon (Laurent Bigonville) is?
[04:06] <ajmitch> no, but he seems active
[04:06] <ajmitch> bmonty: which bug are you looking at?
[04:06] <bmonty> yeah, I'm looking at his sync requests
[04:07] <bmonty> qemu right now
[04:07] <ajmitch> ok
[04:07] <bmonty> it isn't a sync
[04:07] <ajmitch> he did a few for motureviewers as ewll
[04:07] <ajmitch> like update libcm, which was slightly off
[04:07] <bmonty> libnss-ldap looks ok to sync
[04:07] <ajmitch> no!
[04:08] <ajmitch> Release Critical: 5
[04:08] <ajmitch> bmonty: I've already looked at that - it has 5 RC bugs in debian
[04:08] <ajmitch> it's nice of him to help out & all..
[04:08] <bmonty> bug #54664
[04:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54664 in libnss-ldap "please sync 251-5 from debian sid" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54664
[04:09] <bmonty> the bugs must be in functionality then?
[04:09] <ajmitch> the bugs are in "this package kills your system if you have it enabled"
[04:09] <ajmitch> like breaking local users as well
[04:09] <bmonty> nice
[04:09] <zul> well it is edgy..
[04:10] <ajmitch> I have been watching it for my SoC stuff, you know :)
[04:10] <bmonty> ajmitch: I figured as much...that is why I mentioned it
[04:10] <ajmitch> that's why bug 51315 is assigned to me at the moment
[04:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51315 in libnss-ldap "udevd: nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/51315
[04:10] <bmonty> you want to reject it, or should I?
[04:10] <ajmitch> since that's the major problem it fixes
[04:10] <ajmitch> it's a matter of exchanging 1 major bug for 5 others
[04:11] <bmonty> you know that sasl binds still fail on amd64 right?
[04:11] <bmonty> b.d.o seems to be down right now :(
[04:11] <ajmitch> it's depressing, really
[04:12] <ajmitch> how  much broken infrastructure stuff there
[04:12] <ajmitch> is
[04:12] <bmonty> I agree, you would think that SSO software would be very well maintained, and there would be lots of documentation
[04:13] <ajmitch> don't be silly
[04:14] <bmonty> did you reject 54664?
[04:14] <ajmitch> yes
[04:14] <bmonty> ok, we must have both been editing it at the same time
[04:15] <ajmitch> heh
[04:17] <ajmitch> what's the status with bug 51517?
[04:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51517 in qemu "version 0.8.1 available" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/51517
[04:18] <ajmitch> ah right, the same thing with sparc packages moved to Recommends
[04:18] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/qemu/+changelog is useful :)
[04:18] <ajmitch> and also very hard to find
[04:19] <bmonty> are you working on 51517?  It doesn't look like a sync to me
[04:19] <ajmitch> no, I was just checking with you, and confirmed that it's not a sync
[04:20] <bmonty> ah, OK
[04:20] <ajmitch> I'll let you reject this one
[04:20] <bmonty> done
[04:21] <ajmitch> poor guy, getting his bugs rejected
[04:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:23] <ajmitch> nice, OLPC got a order for 4 million laptops
[04:23] <ajmitch> that'll be a good boost
[04:23] <bddebian> Yeah, I saw that today
[04:23] <bddebian> They are using FC though right?
[04:23] <ajmitch> yeah, I believe so
[04:23] <TheMuso> Has someone encouraged him to come onto IRC and talk through what he is doing?
[04:24] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/people/bigon/+reportedbugs
[04:25] <ajmitch> he's filed a few
[04:25] <ajmitch> & those are just the open ones
[04:28] <bmonty> he has a ton of karma for bug management
[04:28] <ajmitch> 97 filed in total
[04:28] <ajmitch> though that's with duplicates hidden still
[04:28] <LaserJock> bddebian: I believe there will be an Ubuntu flavor for OLPC as well
[04:28] <bddebian> LaserJock: Ah, cool
[04:29] <LaserJock> bddebian: Edubuntu people already have a few prototypes
[04:29] <LaserJock> well, we had a little discussion during the Paris summit, Mark even showed up for it
[04:30] <bddebian> Ah, nice
[04:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: you probably need to be in the edubuntu loop for that
[04:30] <bmonty> how long does it typically take for a bug filed by email to show up in Malone?
[04:30] <ajmitch> the ubuntu community has grown a bit
[04:30] <bddebian> ajmitch: Nah, I'm just a lowly MOTU
[04:30] <ajmitch> bmonty: usually 5-10 minutes
[04:30] <LaserJock> bddebian: me too
[04:30] <LaserJock> and I'm on the Edubuntu Council :/
[04:31] <zul> LaserJock: well you are special
[04:31] <LaserJock> heck no
[04:31] <LaserJock> I just hang out on IRC too much
[04:31] <zul> special in my heart :)
[04:31] <ajmitch> well, this is a large xgl diff, with doing autogen.sh
[04:31] <LaserJock> my wife would say, "special ed maybe" ;-)
[04:31] <zul> yeah ditto
[04:31] <zul> or she would just call me a retard
[04:32] <Hobbsee> Uptime: 1 hours and 25 minutes
[04:32] <Hobbsee> not that bad...
[04:32] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Low battery?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: it just started flashing red, yeah
[04:33] <ajmitch> broken/old battery
[04:33] <bmonty> ...and of course the qemu package FTBFS
[04:33] <ajmitch> bmonty: as usual
[04:33] <TheMuso> Right.
[04:36] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[04:36] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[04:37] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon, now get to work! ;-P
[04:37] <imbrandon> heh how go's it ?
[04:37] <imbrandon> hahaha i plan to bwhahahaha <evil grin> kubuntu world domination plan in effect
[04:37] <imbrandon> lol
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[04:39] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[04:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe.  now you can upload everyone elses stuff :P
[04:39] <imbrandon> hahah i'm gonna do a few of my own first to get the feel of it
[04:40] <imbrandon> and probably poke you / others to help me get the reviwing others stuff down sainly ;)
[04:40] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:40] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe.  now you can use dput foo, rather than dput revu foo :P
[04:41] <imbrandon> btw i just now got your jabber, i crashed hard ( read: slept ) after the meeting and just woke
[04:41] <zul> imbrandon: dont forget about the whacks of the paddle
[04:41] <imbrandon> i was out like a light
[04:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe, fair enough.
[04:41] <bmonty> good night everyone
[04:41] <imbrandon> gnight bmonty
[04:42] <imbrandon> ok time for breakfast bbiab
[04:44] <bddebian> Gnight bmot
[04:44] <bddebian> Damnit.. bmonty_away
[04:55] <Hobbsee> bddebian: surely they're not that evil :P
[04:56] <imbrandon> java is as evil to me as mono is to the -devel list hehe
[04:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:58] <TheMuso> hehehe
[04:59] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Not evil, just have doko's name on them and I don't particularly care for Java anyway
[04:59] <Hobbsee> may as well do all the uni work if i'm avoiding going home.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> bddebian: heh, fair enough
[04:59] <imbrandon> school zones ?
[04:59] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Why not going home?
[04:59] <TheMuso> Another class?
[04:59] <ajmitch> imbrandon: please don't bring up that mono thread
[04:59] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: no.  not interested in getting lectured yet again.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: home isnt terribly pleasant at the moment.
[05:00] <TheMuso> Oh ok.
[05:00] <TheMuso> That sucks.
[05:00] <imbrandon> ajmitch: he was a joke, i'll all for it ajmitch i love mono tbh personaly but yea i hear ya , it needs to DIE
[05:00] <imbrandon> ( the thread )
[05:00] <imbrandon> s/he/heh
[05:01] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: getting any warmer there? just take the lappy out to the porch if so and stay outa the chaos ;)
[05:01] <imbrandon> works for me sometimes
[05:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's warm enough in these computer labs, yeah :)
[05:03] <Kyral> ....what a statment to walk into the channel and see
[05:04] <tritium> Hobbsee: beware of lab computers and their nasty, germy keyboards
[05:04] <imbrandon> gah how can i get "apt-cache show" to use a regex without looing in the current dir "apt-cache show * |grep libgamin0" seems to try to look for pkgs named the folders in my cwd
[05:05] <Kyral> all I can say is
[05:05] <imbrandon> looking*
[05:05] <Kyral> "Kinky"
[05:05] <imbrandon> if i was Kyral or tritium i would /hide before she read any of that heh
[05:05] <Kyral> hehehee
[05:05] <Kyral> She set herself up for it
[05:06] <imbrandon> gah this is serouisly annoying, anyhow /me looks for another way
[05:07] <tritium> imbrandon: heh :)
[05:12] <Hobbsee> Kyral!!!!
[05:12] <Kyral> hehehe
[05:13] <Kyral> You set yourself up for it :P
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Kyral: you didnt read the context before.
[05:13] <Kyral> I couldn't find anything relevent :P
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Kyral: try the maths thing i was doing.
[05:53] <ajmitch> bddebian: still working on bug 2596?
[05:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2596 in attal "Attal in Ubuntu is almost not playable, 4 new attal versions (0.9.3, 0.9.4, 0.10, 0.10.1) released, please update" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2596
[05:54] <bddebian> ajmitch: I was working on packaging it but lfittl said he wanted to do it
[05:54] <ajmitch> ok
[05:54] <bddebian> ajmitch: It's a little problematic because now the themes need to be built with the client/server
[05:54] <ajmitch> so they can't be separate source packages?
[05:54] <bddebian> I don't think so unless I'm missing something
[05:55] <bddebian> I don't see why they are anyway.  YOu have to have at least one theme
[05:55] <ajmitch> or are there some headers that the themes can build with?
[05:55] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well it expects themes.o to be in the build tree now (new build system)
[05:56] <ajmitch> fun
[05:58] <bddebian> Not really :-)
[05:59] <imbrandon> woot 1 more hour till dr who 2006 is on /me starts a long build
[06:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: there's lots of stuff in -bugs to be fixed :P
[06:01] <imbrandon> yea i'm doing the last merge atm that has my name on it
[06:02] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: we're leaving them for you
[06:02] <imbrandon> heheh
[06:02] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: bleh.  i'm doing uni work
[06:02] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: maybe you should do them all?
[06:02] <ajmitch> no
[06:03] <Laser_away> mwuahahaha
[06:03] <imbrandon> heh
[06:03] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock
[06:03] <ajmitch> ah, LaserJock returns
[06:03] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon
[06:03] <bddebian> Right, I certainly have not done enough :-)
[06:04] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: waste of time, do something useful.
[06:04] <imbrandon> haha
[06:05] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: but its amuseing
[06:05] <ajmitch> don't feel like it
[06:05] <imbrandon> heh
[06:05] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: true
[06:05] <Hobbsee> at times
[06:08] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: Sho_ says kde 3.5.4 is hitting the kde.org ftp mirrors atm
[06:08] <imbrandon> heh
[06:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice :)  debian has it
[06:08] <imbrandon> yea so do we lol, we cheat
[06:08] <imbrandon> ( in his words )
[06:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how are those builds doing?
[06:09] <imbrandon> still chugging bulding kvirc atm
[06:09] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[06:09] <imbrandon> was a trivial merge but when i added dh_iconcahe the first time it FTBS so i'm makin sure it dosent this time
[06:09] <imbrandon> and there was no kde.mk so i had to re-add it
[06:10] <imbrandon> but it takes longer than freakin amarok to build LOL
[06:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:10] <Hobbsee> now htat's scary
[06:10] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you need a faster box to build on
[06:10] <imbrandon> i swear kvirc for some reason is like THE longest kde app to build
[06:10] <imbrandon> ajmitch: amd64 3400+ with 2 gig ram
[06:11] <imbrandon> heh
[06:11] <LaserJock> I feel sorry for you kde folks
[06:11] <bddebian> heh
[06:11] <ajmitch> imbrandon: getting a bit old
[06:11] <LaserJock> I remember rebuilding KDE all the time in my gentoo days
[06:11] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I bet you're not using ccache in pbuilder either, right?
[06:11] <imbrandon> hahah LaserJock yea i emerged "world" with kde the other day on an xbox , it litterly took 3 days to finish
[06:12] <TheMuso> Ouch.
[06:12] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea i have ccache setup just not distcc, i would love to figure out how to use distcc with pbuilder
[06:12] <ajmitch> there are ways & means
[06:12] <imbrandon> hehe yea
[06:12] <LaserJock> imbrandon: that's it?
[06:12] <ajmitch> generally they're all nasty hacks
[06:12] <imbrandon> yea thats why i havent done it yet, most look scarry
[06:12] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I remember people trying to bootstrap on 386's, took over a week
[06:12] <ajmitch> imbrandon: plus you'd probably want another amd64 to build with
[06:13] <imbrandon> hahaha LaserJock
[06:13] <imbrandon> ajmitch: i have 2 amd64's but the other one only has 512 ram
[06:13] <imbrandon> but its a 3400+
[06:13] <imbrandon> also
[06:13] <ajmitch> not too bad
[06:14] <imbrandon> yea not bad at all, thats the one i put seveas's vm on
[06:14] <ajmitch> plus whatever you're building has to be buildable with make -j
[06:14] <imbrandon> nice /me would love an x2
[06:14] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:14] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea true but MOST kde apps are even kde itsself
[06:14] <tritium> imbrandon: they just got a lot cheaper
[06:14] <ajmitch> imbrandon: but in the packages?
[06:15] <tritium> I ordered an X2 3800+ for my htpc
[06:15] <imbrandon> ahh now thats the problem hehe
[06:15] <imbrandon> tritium: nice , how much ?
[06:15] <ajmitch> yes, we can't modify packages too much
[06:15] <imbrandon> both the boards i have support the x2's
[06:15] <tritium> imbrandon: it was only $150 or so
[06:15] <tritium> Thanks to reduced prices after Intel released Conroe
[06:15] <imbrandon> nice thats about what i payed for the 3400+ when i bouthg them
[06:15] <ajmitch> good, new xserver-xgl built on i386 & amd64
[06:16] <imbrandon> nice
[06:16] <tritium> imbrandon: yep :)
[06:17] <imbrandon> ajmitch: do the x2's help with build time that much without -j ?
[06:17] <imbrandon> liek -j4 or whatever
[06:17] <crimsun> cool addition to dapper's kernel: dazuko.
[06:17] <ajmitch> imbrandon: not at all
[06:17] <bddebian> OK, last sync of the night.  Gnight folks
[06:17] <imbrandon> ajmitch: dident think so
[06:17] <ajmitch> crimsun: what's that?
[06:18] <imbrandon> gnight bddebian
[06:18] <crimsun> http://www.dazuko.org/about.shtml
[06:19] <ajmitch> interesting
[06:20] <imbrandon> yea that looks cool, its in the dapper kernel ?
[06:20] <crimsun> yes, just merged hours ago.
[06:20] <imbrandon> cool
[06:20] <ajmitch> strange
[06:21] <ajmitch> I didn't think dapper would get new features like that
[06:21] <LaserJock> hmm, firefox doesn't seem to to be using my flash plugin :?
[06:21] <LaserJock> :/
[06:21] <crimsun> is it installed with valid symlinks?
[06:21] <imbrandon> LaserJock: did you install ff form mozill or the repo, if from mozilla you have to symlink the plugin
[06:22] <LaserJock> repo
[06:22] <LaserJock> I'm not sure that it's picking up acroread either
[06:23] <crimsun> are they listed in 'about:plugins'?
[06:23] <imbrandon> hum, i would still check the symlinks , probbly in mozilla-firefox/plugins and not firefox/plugins
[06:23] <imbrandon> yea or what crimsun said ;)
[06:24] <LaserJock> I get shockwave flash (for .swf) in about:plugins
[06:24] <LaserJock> but no acroread
[06:24] <LaserJock> and flash sites don't show up
[06:25] <imbrandon> shockwave == windows only i thought
[06:25] <LaserJock> that's odd
[06:25] <crimsun> which version of the Flash plugin?
[06:26] <LaserJock> dapper's
[06:27] <crimsun> (7.0.63 being listed in 'about:plugins', I meant)
[06:27] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:28] <LaserJock> I also installed libflash-mozplugin
[06:28] <LaserJock> but acroread is sort of weird because it doesn't even show up in about:plugins
[06:28] <crimsun> Remove libflash-mozplugin.
[06:29] <LaserJock> what's a good flash test site
[06:29] <crimsun> homestarrunner.com
[06:29] <ajmitch> it's one of the few reasons to run flsah
[06:30] <LaserJock> well, right now I'm trying to get a recipe site, my wife's only reason for using Windows ;-)
[06:30] <ajmitch> hehe
[06:31] <LaserJock> ok, flash seems to work on homestarrunner.com
[06:32] <crimsun> (you probably won't have audio by default, but that's another beast altogether)
[06:32] <LaserJock> well, I usually don't have audio to start with (stupid toshiba)
[06:33] <crimsun> (please tell me you've filed a bug at least)
[06:33] <LaserJock> why? it's not your problem
[06:33] <ajmitch> crimsun loves those audio bugs
[06:33] <LaserJock> it works better in Ubuntu then it does in Windows, I'm happy
[06:33] <ajmitch> LaserJock: explain what you mean by 'not your problem'
[06:33] <crimsun> LaserJock: generally it is. If it doesn't work by default, it's good to know so it can be fixed.
[06:33] <LaserJock> it's not the OS
[06:34] <LaserJock> it's a problem with the laptop. if you come out of suspend you get no sound
[06:34] <ajmitch> hardware problems can possibly be worked around
[06:34] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Two easy? :)
[06:34] <ajmitch> eg by reinitialising the sound card when waking up from suspend
[06:34] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: no.  it's being painful
[06:34] <crimsun> LaserJock: ah, so it does work but just not after resuming? Are you running the latest bios for that laptop?
[06:34] <LaserJock> it's something to do with the modem and sound card conflict
[06:35] <LaserJock> crimsun: sure, it's a know problem that toshiba refuses to fix :-)
[06:35] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: which model toshiba?
[06:36] <tritium> LaserJock: damn Toshiba!  They wouldnt fix my hard drive since it a UK model, and Im in the US
[06:36] <tritium> (even though it under warranty)
[06:36] <crimsun> tritium loves the apostrophes.
[06:36] <tritium> sorry, I cannot seem to stop using contractions just because I am using edgy
[06:37] <crimsun> no you must!  ;-p
[06:37] <tritium> :)
[06:37] <LaserJock> tritium: hehe, they just replaced my hard drive
[06:37] <tritium> LaserJock: rub it in!
[06:37] <LaserJock> tritium: I have to use a little waded piece of paper to keep it in
[06:37] <LaserJock> not cool
[06:38] <imbrandon> chewing gum
[06:38] <imbrandon> heh
[06:38] <tritium> That is like a Macgyver solution!
[06:38] <LaserJock> of course
[06:38] <imbrandon> lol
[06:38] <tritium> :)
[06:38] <LaserJock> I grew up in Montana :-)
[06:38] <LaserJock> we had Macgyver'ing down pat
[06:38] <imbrandon> LaserJock: just go win 1,000,000,000 at Harrah's and buy us all new lappy's ;)
[06:38] <tritium> Cool :)
[06:39] <tritium> maybe we should have an ubuntu card-counting team, like MIT did a few years ago
[06:39] <LaserJock> imbrandon: hehe, not likely (or rather, not very probable)
[06:39] <tritium> They all won big ;)
[06:39] <LaserJock> hehe, you guys can camp out at my place
[06:39] <imbrandon> hahaha true, and hit reno not vegas
[06:40] <imbrandon> actualy i would rather hit vegas , my wifes too close to reno for my comfort
[06:40] <imbrandon> ;P
[06:41] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I've got a Sattelite A65-S126, btw
[06:41] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: ahh...does yours overheat?
[06:41] <LaserJock> imbrandon: Lake Tahoe?
[06:41] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: yes
[06:41] <tritium> LaserJock: okay, see you in a few hours.  Leaving after I pack ;)
[06:41] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yeah, thought it might.  rotten thing
[06:41] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: or it used to
[06:41] <imbrandon> LaserJock: pyrmid lake
[06:41] <tritium> imbrandon: you are in NV too?
[06:42] <imbrandon> tritium: no i just moved from there ( reno ) when i filed for divorce , wife stil there
[06:42] <crimsun> oh man, it just dawned on me that imbrandon has upload privs.
[06:42] <imbrandon> still*
[06:42] <imbrandon> crimsun: hahaha
[06:42] <ajmitch> crimsun: yes, he can break things now
[06:42] <tritium> imbrandon: oh, sorry to hear
[06:42] <imbrandon> actualy i'm working on fixing a broken kvirc atm stupid thing
[06:42] <ajmitch> crimsun: almost as bad as me being able to upload
[06:42] <imbrandon> tritium: no biggie ;)
[06:42] <LaserJock> tritium: you sure they will let you go?
[06:42] <tritium> LaserJock: they being work?
[06:42] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:43] <tritium> heh, no, I have a trip on Thursday again
[06:43] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I'll come if you pay for my airfares
[06:43] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: it once overheated so bad I had to keep an icepack over the top right of the keyboard to boot it
[06:43] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:43] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: eeek!  mine's never gotten that bad
[06:43] <TheMuso> LaserJock: wow thats hot
[06:43] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hmm, I got lots of dental bills
[06:43] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: although mine has a sick fan. ajmitch can tell you.
[06:44] <ajmitch> chronically broken fan
[06:44] <tritium> TheMuso: are you quoting Paris Hilton?
[06:45] <LaserJock> I sent it to Toshiba (had to pay for shipping :( ), I think all they did was replace the hard drive
[06:45] <TheMuso> no
[06:45] <tritium> :)
[06:45] <LaserJock> so now it gets hot to the touch, but I haven't had any problems with it
[06:45] <imbrandon> see we need the next UDS to be in reno / vegas so we can do the MIT thing ;)
[06:45] <imbrandon> LaserJock: ^^
[06:45] <LaserJock> heck yeah
[06:46] <LaserJock> we can certainly provide better food
[06:46] <imbrandon> lol
[06:46] <tritium> That would be cool, but...
[06:46] <imbrandon> reno would be much better imho than vegas though
[06:46] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:46] <imbrandon> plus not as HOT
[06:46] <imbrandon> heh
[06:47] <imbrandon> and lake tahoe and pyrmid lake
[06:47] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:47] <tritium> Santa Fe or Albuquerque, man!
[06:47] <LaserJock> nooo
[06:47] <imbrandon> and , grrr i wish i was still there actualy but i dont wanna get that close again heh
[06:47] <LaserJock> I want to get out
[06:47] <imbrandon> heh LaserJock trade me , lol
[06:47] <imbrandon> actualy i wanna go see EU
[06:48] <imbrandon> possibly move there
[06:48] <imbrandon> dunno
[06:48] <imbrandon> just need a change from KC
[06:48] <LaserJock> actually, my friend got married in Lawerence, KS and I was his best man. I liked it
[06:48] <tritium> imbrandon: I go to K.C. often
[06:48] <LaserJock> but actually, Reno is just too big for me
[06:49] <imbrandon> tritium: cool i was born and grew up here, when i got married i moved to nashville for work and then Reno for her family , divorced and moved back to KC, been back here about a year now
[06:49] <tritium> imbrandon: cool, next time I am in town, I will let you know
[06:49] <imbrandon> yup yup, we can go grab a beer^coffee or something ;)
[06:50] <LaserJock> I'd like to move back to Montana, but the connections are terrible
[06:50] <tritium> Or barbecue :)
[06:50] <imbrandon> yea Jack Stack BBQ is the best
[06:50] <tritium> Absolutely
[06:50] <imbrandon> BBQ is about the only good think KC puts out hehe
[06:51] <imbrandon> well and the cheifs durring football season
[06:52] <imbrandon> LaserJock: yea you would have to get satalite internet in Montanna
[06:52] <imbrandon> or somethng
[06:52] <LaserJock> imbrandon: actually, if you are in the city you can get DSL or cable
[06:52] <LaserJock> but it's really hard if you are even like 1 mile outside the city limits
[06:52] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I agree
[06:53] <imbrandon> hehe ajmitch your not far from there now are you ?
[06:53] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I hope you don't mean those of us from AU who are currently present here.
[06:53] <imbrandon> lol @ TheMuso
[06:53] <ajmitch> TheMuso: not you, specifically
[06:53] <imbrandon> hahaha
[06:53] <TheMuso> Well that answers my question.
[06:53] <ajmitch> :)
[06:53] <imbrandon> leaves StevenK and Hobbsee ;)
[06:53] <TheMuso> You can stay as far away from others as you like if you really want.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> what's this?
[06:54] <ajmitch> I've met them, I know they're weird..
[06:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heh.  we're very weird, yes
[06:54] <imbrandon> lol
[06:54] <TheMuso> Weird, no. Funny, yes.
[06:54] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: you found us funny?
[06:54] <TheMuso> As in humor funny.
[06:54] <TheMuso> It was primarily StevenK I think yeah
[06:55] <ajmitch> ah, you all met up?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: doing the heckling :P
[06:55] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: slug.
[06:55] <TheMuso> Yeah. You had this speak only when spoken to thing going.
[06:55] <LaserJock> everybody here wants to move to AU or NZ, but I've watched too much Crocodile Hunter :/
[06:55] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: right
[06:55] <ajmitch> TheMuso: hobbsee was actually quiet?
[06:55] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Yes, and other things
[06:55] <imbrandon> hahahahahahahahha @ LaserJock
[06:55] <TheMuso> Depends on what point of the evening you are referring to.
[06:56] <tritium> I could never leave NM.  I would miss the red/green chile.
[06:56] <ajmitch> LaserJock: we don't have crocodiles in NZ
[06:56] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: until you were being poked by StevenK?
[06:56] <TheMuso> Only when you had a physical go at StevenK.
[06:56] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i was poking him.  :P
[06:56] <TheMuso> Then you were quite vocal.
[06:56] <tritium> Hobbsee: hope you washed your hands after using that lab computer keyboard
[06:56] <TheMuso> Because he would return the gestures.
[06:56] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: hehe...true.
[06:56] <imbrandon> lol
[06:56] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: doesn't surprise me in the least
[06:56] <LaserJock> tritium: dude, you can get that other places, I'm sure
[06:56] <tritium> LaserJock: not the same
[06:57] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes.  i'm usually quiet, you know.
[06:57] <TheMuso> I am sure you aren't around your friends however
[06:57] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: well...
[06:57] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: quiet ? /me somehow dosent beleave that knowing her on irc
[06:57] <LaserJock> I was thinking of trying to postdoc down there tritium, but after this summer I don't think I could handle the heat
[06:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe.  yes, i do get quiet.
[06:58] <tritium> LaserJock: I still think you should come
[06:58] <imbrandon> hehe LaserJock come to MU
[06:58] <imbrandon> heh
[06:58] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Well I guess you would feel more open around your friends, and would feel like talking more.
[06:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: do postdoc in NZ
[06:58] <TheMuso> We were probably a big bunch of strangers.
[06:58] <TheMuso> I know I felt the same at my first slug.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: wasnt that so much - just a whole lot of big tall guys and little me thinking "eek!"
[06:59] <imbrandon> heh
[06:59] <LaserJock> ajmitch: not a bad idea, but I'm not sure if I (and my family) could handle that
[06:59] <TheMuso> Well you shouldn't. :)
[06:59] <TheMuso> We're not going to bite your head off.
[06:59] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you could have :P
[06:59] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: not really..
[06:59] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: then what were all those heads i saw in the foyer @ slug?
[06:59] <LaserJock> newbies
[06:59] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: lol
[07:00] <LaserJock> and since you aren't one of those you would be fine ;-)
[07:00] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hehe...yeah...i was lucky, this time... TheMuso could have bashed them all up with his cane.
[07:00] <imbrandon> LaserJock: btw i ment to ask, how was RLUG ?
[07:00] <LaserJock> imbrandon: cool, very cool
[07:00] <imbrandon> cool
[07:01] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Its too flimsy for that.
[07:01] <LaserJock> I noticed I have a hard time not talking about Ubuntu
[07:01] <ajmitch> heh
[07:01] <TheMuso> And I would never even remotely think of doing such a thing to strangers.
[07:01] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: heh.  find a way :P
[07:01] <imbrandon> LaserJock: heh me the same at kclug, infact i have about 3/4 if nto more converted to *buntu
[07:01] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: awww...pity
[07:01] <TheMuso> There are people there that I know, but not all of them/
[07:01] <ajmitch> LaserJock: true, I could go to a LUG meeting tonight
[07:01] <ajmitch> if I really felt that way
[07:01] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, most of the people who were there ran Ubuntu at some point
[07:02] <LaserJock> imbrandon: they more about Linux than me
[07:02] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I'm a real softy.
[07:02] <imbrandon> they get a kick out of having a MOTU there ? hehe
[07:02] <LaserJock> I'm not sure
[07:02] <imbrandon> heh
[07:02] <LaserJock> I don't know if they were scared or didn't care
[07:02] <imbrandon> we have a DD in our lug, i forgot his name i need to look it up
[07:02] <ajmitch> imbrandon: he's not just any MOTU
[07:02] <imbrandon> i should talk to him more
[07:03] <ajmitch> imbrandon: we have 4 or 5 DDs in our LUG
[07:03] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: sure sure
[07:03] <imbrandon> ajmitch: nice
[07:03] <ajmitch> a group of maybe 20-30 people
[07:03] <TheMuso> I am telling the complete and honest truth.
[07:03] <LaserJock> ok, time to go to bed. good night MOTU land
[07:03] <ajmitch> so the ratio of developers to new people is quite lopsided
[07:03] <ajmitch> night LaserJock
[07:03] <tritium> Good night, LaserJock
[07:03] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea we have about ~30ish or so but only about 20 show up to any one meeting
[07:03] <imbrandon> gnight LaserJock
[07:03] <ajmitch> we'd be lucky to have that many
[07:03] <TheMuso> SLUG meetings are always quite active.
[07:04] <TheMuso> At least 40-50 most months as far as I can tell.
[07:04] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: :) i know
[07:04] <LaserJock> I got some people interested in Edubuntu :-)
[07:04] <imbrandon> cool
[07:04] <Laser_away> imbrandon: there is a guy that works in IT in the Washoe County School district ;-)
[07:04] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i didnt
[07:05] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: ie, it wasnt sarcasm
[07:05] <Laser_away> imbrandon: wants to get some Linux computer labs :-)
[07:05] <imbrandon> most of the guys in our lug run debian testing ( 80+ % ) and the rest run a mix of gentoo or a ubuntu flavor
[07:05] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yes, all the way from a uni sysadmin to a retired priest ;)
[07:05] <TheMuso> Oh ok. I'll take your word for it.
[07:05] <Hobbsee> hehe bye Laser_away
[07:05] <imbrandon> hehe l8tr Laser_away
[07:05] <nictuku> night Laser_away
[07:06] <TheMuso> What is with everybody using shortened numbers/letters to write stuff?
[07:06] <TheMuso> WIth a speech synth, it kinda gets annoying.
[07:06] <ajmitch> TheMuso: they like to be different
[07:06] <imbrandon> TheMuso: whoops
[07:06] <ajmitch> even without a speech synth, it's quite annoying to read
[07:06] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Don't worry.
[07:06] <imbrandon> old bad ahbbit really
[07:06] <TheMuso> its only when they are used several dozen times in one sentence that it gets annoying.
[07:06] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you'll cope :P
[07:06] <imbrandon> habbit
[07:07] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I've managed to cope with understanding an australian accent, so yes, I'd expect I would
[07:07] <ajmitch> imbrandon: habit!
[07:07] <TheMuso> I guess it depends on how fast one can type.
[07:07] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: poor you.  because we australians are oh so horrible.
[07:07] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: exactly
[07:07] <imbrandon> lol
[07:07] <TheMuso> Well, almost all of us.
[07:08] <TheMuso> There are some who aren't horrible. They're damn fowl. :)
[07:08] <ajmitch> friendly, isn't she?
[07:08] <imbrandon> heh
[07:08] <nictuku> I was interviewed last week by an australian, it took me a few minutes to start understanding what he was talking about
[07:08] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: very
[07:08] <TheMuso> We should cage her up and blindfold her. Or even just blindfold her.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: no....dont think that's a good idea...
[07:08] <TheMuso> tritium: There is a difference.
[07:08] <ajmitch> tritium: you probably could
[07:08] <TheMuso> No doubt about that
[07:08] <imbrandon> actualy i have a harder time understanding a brit accent than a AU one
[07:09] <tritium> TheMuso: I sure, but not one I would notice
[07:09] <crimsun> how are the onomatopes?
[07:09] <TheMuso> It was awesome listening to those from the UK in Paris.
[07:09] <imbrandon> crimsun: huh ?
[07:09] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: definetly :)
[07:10] <crimsun> just wondering about the [subjective]  'quality' of words like "whir", "buzz", etc.
[07:10] <imbrandon> TheMuso: heh yea actualy i LIKE the accent ( and a north east US accent too ) but its just hard for me to understand at time , although i could understand scott good
[07:10] <crimsun> sorry, through a speech synth
[07:11] <TheMuso> They're ok.
[07:11] <TheMuso> What would you expect to find wrong with them?
[07:11] <TheMuso> Just fire up festival and listen for yourself.
[07:11] <crimsun> TheMuso: well, I would expect "whir" to be fine, but "whrr" and "bzzz"?
[07:11] <ajmitch> imbrandon: what sort of british accent?
[07:11] <TheMuso> Just spells out the letters quickly.
[07:12] <ajmitch> imbrandon: there are a large number of accents now
[07:12] <crimsun> ah, makes sense
[07:12] <tritium> TheMuso: you are using the screen reader?
[07:12] <imbrandon> ajmitch: i dident kow there was diffrent ones tbh , i've only been exposed to brit accents through bbc tv ;)
[07:12] <imbrandon> lol
[07:12] <TheMuso> Because there are no vowel sounds.
[07:12] <ajmitch> a good thing I've got meals planned for the next few days
[07:12] <TheMuso> tritium: Yes.
[07:12] <TheMuso> I am using speakup.
[07:13] <TheMuso> With an external speech synth.
[07:13] <tritium> Cool.
[07:13] <imbrandon> ajmitch: that sucks
[07:14] <Amaranth> ajmitch: Yikes.
[07:14] <ajmitch> Amaranth: standard NZ banks - if you want it sooner, they charge you
[07:14] <TheMuso> If all goes well in edgy, everybody using Ubuntu edgy will be able to use it.
[07:14] <imbrandon> cool TheMuso
[07:15] <tritium> TheMuso: speakup?  Without additional hardware?
[07:15] <TheMuso> Yep/.
[07:15] <TheMuso> SOftware speech/.
[07:15] <tritium> That is awesome.  I wish they were available about 15 years ago.
[07:15] <TheMuso> heh
[07:16] <tritium> dad could have used ti...
[07:16] <tritium> s/ti/it
[07:16] <TheMuso> I have one external, and three internal hardware speech synths.
[07:17] <TheMuso> Although they're nowhere near as common today as they were ten years ago/
[07:17] <TheMuso> Damn typing.
[07:19] <tritium> Well, I better get some sleep.  Good night!
[07:20] <ajmitch> night tritium
[07:22] <Hobbsee> petrol calls.
[07:22] <ajmitch> heh
[07:45] <imbrandon> hrm crimsun do you know anything about international char input stuff ?
[07:46] <imbrandon> there is a guy in #kubuntu , with truble writing swedish chars but can read them, i have no clue about non-us stuff
[08:18] <Hobbsee> hi again everyone
[08:22] <nictuku> hi Hobbsee
[08:22] <nictuku> and bye!
[08:22] <Hobbsee> hi nictuku :)
[08:22] <Hobbsee> bye!
[08:23] <TheMuso> The MOTU bug fixer extraordinaire returns.
[08:26] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: wouldnt bet on that.
[08:28] <TheMuso> Well don't say people didn't appreciate the work you have done. :)
[08:29] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: hehe, okay then, i wont.
[08:31] <Hobbsee> hey holy crap1
[08:31] <Hobbsee> this card works out of the box, AND with wpa!
[08:33] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you find that surprising?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes
[08:33] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: very
[08:33] <ajmitch> why?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: because my wifi cards usually suck.
[08:33] <ajmitch> what are you using now?
[08:34] <ajmitch> I guess that one may have sucked too
[08:34] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[08:36] <dholbach> good morning, happy hug day
[08:36] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[08:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch: got a quick question for ya since you brought up the ccache thing earlier , i did mine kinda by the seat of my pants , just want to veryify its the "right way"  ... i added the following to my ~/.pbuilderrc
[08:38] <imbrandon> export CCACHE_DIR=/var/cache/pbuilder/ccache
[08:38] <imbrandon> export PATH=/usr/lib/ccache:${PATH}
[08:38] <imbrandon> EXTRAPACKAGES=ccache
[08:38] <imbrandon> BINDMOUNTS=${CCACHE_DIR}
[08:38] <ajmitch> yes?
[08:38] <imbrandon> that the way its "recomended" to be done for pbuilder ?
[08:39] <ajmitch> that may work, depending on the ownership of /var/cache/pbuilder/ccache
[08:39] <imbrandon> owned by me ( i'm the only user on that box )
[08:39] <ajmitch> if it's not writable by the pbuilder user (usually 1234), then it will silently fail
[08:39] <imbrandon> yea it works, just dident know if it was the "right way"
[08:39] <ajmitch> are you sure it works?
[08:39] <imbrandon> hrm lemme look
[08:40] <ajmitch> CCACHE_DIR=/var/cache/pbuilder/ccache ccache -s
[08:40] <ajmitch> run that, see if you've got cache hits/misses
[08:40] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/var/cache/pbuilder$ ls -l
[08:40] <imbrandon> total 0
[08:40] <imbrandon> drwxrwxrwx 2 root root  48 2006-08-02 01:29 ccache
[08:40] <imbrandon> nope
[08:40] <imbrandon> hrm
[08:41] <imbrandon> maybe its not workign then
[08:41] <ajmitch> probably not
[08:41] <imbrandon> max cache size is the only thing that returned non zero
[08:41] <imbrandon> hrmfh
[08:42] <ajmitch> time to fix permissions then :)
[08:42] <imbrandon> should i just point it to my home dir ?
[08:42] <imbrandon> well ~/ccache
[08:42] <ajmitch> no
[08:42] <ajmitch> since pbuilder is most likely not setup to run as yourself
[08:42] <imbrandon> chown 1234.1234 ccache
[08:42] <imbrandon> ?
[08:43] <ajmitch> yes
[08:43] <imbrandon> kk
[08:43] <ajmitch> then try a quick build, and see if it works
[08:44] <imbrandon> hrm something that builds fast heheh *looks*
[08:48] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: not quite as stable as you hoped?
[08:48] <imbrandon> she get the dwl-6{3,5}0 ?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i was in dapper
[08:48] <Hobbsee> ie, swapped back to dapper, then went to edgy again
[08:48] <Hobbsee> dwl-g650, yeah
[08:49] <imbrandon> nice
[08:49] <imbrandon> works like you hoped ?
[08:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, works with StevenK's network manager - even with wpa.
[08:49] <ajmitch> right
[08:49] <ajmitch> I'd hope so
[08:49] <imbrandon> heh
[08:49] <ajmitch> is that the atheros chipset in that card?
[08:49] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yep :)
[08:50] <imbrandon> yea i think so and the 630 had ralink
[08:50] <ajmitch> right
[08:50] <ajmitch> I know some of the later 650+ had a different chipset
[08:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, it did.  they even have the revisions on the outside of the box.  wow!
[08:50] <imbrandon> heh
[08:50] <imbrandon> told ya it was like a candy store ;)
[08:51] <imbrandon> ajmitch: i shouldent get any thing untill the second build right ?
[08:51] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you should get cache misses the first time
[08:51] <imbrandon> k
[08:51] <ajmitch> & files stored in the cache
[08:51] <ajmitch> assuming you're building some C or C++
[08:51] <imbrandon> yea
[08:52] <imbrandon> knet was what i choose to test
[08:52] <imbrandon> IE c++
[08:52] <ajmitch> ok
[08:52] <imbrandon> its still building the first time
[08:52] <ajmitch> any files in the cache?
[08:52] <imbrandon> so i'm waiting, i probbly shoudl have chose an hello world app
[08:52] <imbrandon> not yet
[08:53] <imbrandon> gah
[08:53] <imbrandon> ok its done ( first time ) and none
[08:53] <imbrandon> ;(
[08:53] <ajmitch> right
[08:53] <ajmitch> check what user pbuilder is configured to run builds as
[08:53] <ajmitch> eg BUILDUSERID=1234
[08:54] <imbrandon> yup
[08:54] <imbrandon> BUILDUSERID=1234
[08:54] <imbrandon> BUILDUSERNAME=pbuilder
[08:54] <imbrandon> drwxrwxrwx 2 1234 1234  48 2006-08-02 01:29 ccache
[08:55] <imbrandon> hrm i'll try that and also , its using the /var/cache/pbuilder/edgy/pbuilderrc but i have that ccache stuff in my ~/.pbuilderrc
[08:55] <imbrandon> it shoudl still read both right ?
[08:56] <ajmitch> I believe so
[08:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the more files you ahve, the more room for error
[08:56] <ajmitch> I don't bother with anything outside ~
[08:56] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: i know ;) but only system wide stuff i put in the main one and the rest in my ~
[08:57] <imbrandon> err try to
[08:57] <imbrandon> heh
[08:57] <imbrandon> just for grins i'm going to add it to the main pbuilderrc and see if it makes a diff
[08:58] <ajmitch> did you see the build adding the ccache package?
[08:58] <imbrandon> no
[08:58] <ajmitch> and mounting the ccache dir?
[08:58] <imbrandon> yea it did mount that
[08:58] <imbrandon> hrm so its reading it
[08:58] <ajmitch> I presume you keep build logs?
[08:59] <imbrandon> normaly not this time
[09:00] <imbrandon> ok i commented out the username only and going to try again ( logging this time lol )
[09:00] <imbrandon> left it in my ~ since obviously its reading it as it mounted the dir
[09:08] <imbrandon> ahh ok now we're getting somewhere .....
[09:10] <imbrandon> ajmitch: http://pastebin.ca/111221
[09:10] <imbrandon> can you look at that
[09:10] <ajmitch> I can
[09:11] <ajmitch> that's special
[09:11] <imbrandon> lol
[09:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what are you trying to do?
[09:11] <ajmitch> imbrandon: unquote it
[09:12] <imbrandon> add ccache to the build precess to speed up milti builds
[09:12] <imbrandon> ajmitch: kk
[09:12] <imbrandon> multi*
[09:12] <ajmitch> imbrandon: though it shouldn't be necessary, looking at this
[09:13] <imbrandon> wow
[09:13] <imbrandon> that worked
[09:13] <imbrandon> heh
[09:13] <imbrandon> now to see if its actualy hitting the cache
[09:20] <pmjdebruijn> lo
[09:20] <ajmitch> hi
[09:20] <imbrandon> pmjdebruijn: 'ello
[09:20] <pmjdebruijn> my package isn't producing a diff anymore, only a tar.gz with everything in it?
[09:21] <pmjdebruijn> could this be because I changed the version numbering?
[09:21] <ajmitch> yes
[09:21] <imbrandon> yes if there isnt a orig.tar.gz to match
[09:21] <ajmitch> you must have a tarball named like package_1.2.3.orig.tar.gz
[09:21] <ajmitch> where 1.2.3 is the upstream version
[09:21] <imbrandon> hrm bbiab
[09:22] <pmjdebruijn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19460
[09:22] <ajmitch> and the package is?
[09:23] <pmjdebruijn> ajmitch, openradius
[09:23] <pmjdebruijn> but evblib seems to have the same issue
[09:23] <ajmitch> so openradius_060405.orig.tar.gz should be openradius_0.9.12+0.9.13pre060405.orig.tar.gz
[09:24] <pmjdebruijn> ajmitch, aha, right, thanks
[09:41] <pmjdebruijn> ajmitch, thanks again... it worked like a charm
[11:47] <TheMuso> Is there a way of doing apt-cache rdepends for source packages?
[11:48] <Gloubiboulga> TheMuso, to find the build deps?
[11:49] <TheMuso> Gloubiboulga: Yeah. I am looking at a package that doesn't have anything mentioned with apt-cache rdepends, but it is a dev package so something must need it to build. I want to know what that package is.
[11:49] <TheMuso> The package specifically is flite1-dev
[11:49] <Gloubiboulga> apt-cache showsrc flite1-dev
[11:49] <Gloubiboulga> is that what you want?
[11:49] <TheMuso> No.
[11:50] <TheMuso> I want to know what package build-deps on flite1-dev
[11:50] <TheMuso> Without knowing what package uses it.
[11:50] <StevenK> rdepends won't tell you.
[11:50] <StevenK> grep-available?
[11:50] <TheMuso> StevenK: I know that.
[11:50] <Gloubiboulga> ok, got it, but I don't know if apt-cache can do that
[11:50] <TheMuso> No I don't think it can either.
[11:51] <TheMuso> I have another idea which I'm going to try.
[11:52] <StevenK> TheMuso: brltty
[11:52] <TheMuso> StevenK: Yeah seems so.
[11:59] <Toadstool> heya
[12:08] <phanatic> hello everyone
[12:10] <Toadstool> hi phanatic
[12:11] <phanatic> hi Toadstool
[12:15] <micah_c> What's the process for bugs that are assigned to MOTU-Reviewers? ...I'm interested in 45930, which is for the "joystick" package (jstest and similar). It's a /very/ inessential package; however, I've submitted a patch that fixes the issue, and am just curious when I might expect to see the package updated? I'm not impatient or anything..
[12:17] <phanatic> micah_c: ping a MOTU who has some time to review it and upload it for you. you can make MOTUs' life easier by attaching a debdiff to the bug report...
[12:19] <micah_c> Thanks phanatic.
[12:20] <phanatic> np
[12:25] <thom> guys, is anyone looking at puppet (should just be a sync from debian, but ubuntu doesn't have it at all yet)
[12:26] <tseng> thom: if you file a sync request and poke me, I will ack it
[12:28] <tseng> file a bug in launchpad and *subscribe* ubuntu-archive
[12:28] <tseng> not assign
[12:29] <thom> ok
[12:30] <thom> tseng: bug on what package?
[12:30] <tseng> thom: puppet will work I believe
[12:31] <dholbach> if we don't have it, then no package
[12:31] <tseng> it looks like a fun tool
[12:32] <tseng> I wonder if I can trick it into doing a bzr branch/pull and package installs
[12:32] <tseng> cfengine scares me
[12:32] <ogra> tseng++
[12:33] <ogra> rather use preseeding ;)
[12:33] <ogra> ...with debconf
[12:33] <tseng> ogra: I never did figure out netbooting
[12:33] <thom> tseng: #54912
[12:33] <tseng> I guess I could remaster the cd too
[12:33] <thom> cfengine is evil
[12:33] <ogra> thom, well, half of debian would disagree :)
[12:34] <thom> dholbach: *hugs*
[12:34] <ogra> i often get beaten up if i state that :)
[12:34] <dholbach> :-)
[12:34] <thom> ogra: half of debian would disagree about the colour of the sky, so that's not a useful metric :)
[12:34] <ogra> lol
[12:34] <dholbach> haha
[12:35] <tseng> er
[12:35] <tseng> dpkg-buildpackage on this thing takes 10 seconds
[12:36] <tseng> is this all shell?
[12:36] <tseng> ACK'd, anyway
[01:08] <shawarma> Is Edgy in a somewhat coherent state  these days? (actual question: can i upgrade to Edgy and still do anything at all?)
[01:10] <Hobbsee> shawarma: possibly.
[01:10] <Hobbsee> shawarma: i've been using it for a while without major problems.  except artsd
[01:10] <Hobbsee> but ymmv
[01:10] <shawarma> Hobbsee: That's all I wanted to head.
[01:10] <shawarma> er..
[01:10] <shawarma> hear, of course.
[01:11] <shawarma> It wouldn't be fun without a bit of breakage.
[01:11] <ajmitch> then edgy is lots of fun!
[01:11] <shawarma> ajmitch: :-)
[01:11] <shawarma> It's starting to get annoying getting stuff into edgy but not be able to use it myself. :-)
[01:12] <BazziR> shawarma: why don't you chroot/vmware it? then you've got a safe fallback system
[01:12] <shawarma> BazziR: That's for wimps. :-)
[01:13] <shawarma> If anything, I might setup a chroot with Dapper in it. :-)
[01:13] <BazziR> ooo
[01:13] <thom> tseng: thanks dude
[01:13] <shawarma> So if everything fails, I can just chroot into that and be happy.
[01:14] <BazziR> dont you have to have a running kernel to chroot into it? ;)
[01:14] <shawarma> BazziR: Easy
[01:15] <shawarma> BazziR: Just leave the kernel and initrd from a Dapper image lying around somewhere..
[01:15] <shawarma> BazziR: Of course, there's the UUID mouting thing... Oh, well. I'll figure it out when it arises.
[01:15] <BazziR> hehe
[01:20] <tseng> thom: np
[01:20] <shawarma> I'm by the way still looking for reviewers for  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2803
[01:21] <ajmitch> shawarma: well the last comment is on clarifying license issues, right?
[01:21] <ajmitch> has that been cleared up?
[01:21] <shawarma> ajmitch: Yes.
[01:24] <shawarma> ajmitch: there. Added a comment saying just that.
[01:28] <imbrandon> crimsun: good news , apt-mirror upstream finaly reappeared and emailed me back and is active on his site, working with him to get his version and some other things patched now
[01:29] <imbrandon> seems he was on a short vacation he said
[01:29] <imbrandon> heh
[01:59] <phanatic> raphink: please ping me back if you have 5mins
[03:31] <Libre> Hi
[03:34] <sladen> hello Libre, is the weather nice where you are?
[03:37] <Libre> sladen, let me see
[03:38] <Libre> sladen some dark clouds maybe rain in two or three hours
[03:40] <sladen> Libre: where in the world is this.  Sounds mostly like the part of the Lincoln in the UK I'm in.  Only the rain already got here
[03:44] <b_52Centos> hi
[03:50] <Libre> sladen, tropical sunny and violent: Colombia (Start of south america)
[03:51] <Libre> b_52Centos, Welcome
[03:51] <sladen> Libre: ooh, drug heaven!.. :)
[03:51] <Libre> sladen, LOL
[03:52] <sladen> I should really find out something about Colombia from behind the headlines
[03:52] <Libre> sladen, I guess
[03:53] <b_52Centos> Libre,  thanks :D
[03:54] <Libre> sladen, don't try with the movie Mr. & Mrs. Smith http://www.imdb.com/Title?0356910
[03:58] <Hobbsee> shawarma: yay!  i broke it :P
[03:59] <shawarma> Hobbsee: What? Edgy?
[03:59] <Libre> shawarma, LOL
[03:59] <Hobbsee> shawarma: of course.
[03:59] <shawarma> Libre: I always listen to that song when I do a dist-upgrade. :-)
[04:00] <Libre> shawarma, did you use a chroot?
[04:00] <shawarma> Libre: No.
[04:00] <shawarma> Libre: I like living on the edge.
[04:01] <shawarma> Hobbsee: You shouldn't break other people's things. :-)
[04:01] <Hobbsee> shawarma: but...but...it's fun!  :P
[04:02] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Sure is. I intend to break it, too. :-)
[04:02] <Hobbsee> shawarma: haha...fun :)
[04:03] <Libre> shawarma, edg(e|y)
[04:03] <shawarma> Libre: exactamante.
[04:07] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:07] <shawarma> Hi, bddebian !
[04:07] <bddebian> Hello shawarma
[04:55] <zul> has anyone use freenx before?
[04:57] <Libre> zul, what is?
[04:59] <zul> its like vnc
[04:59] <LaserJock> zul: I got it working once
[04:59] <zul> LaserJock: how was it?
[04:59] <LaserJock> I think it's fast
[04:59] <LaserJock> it was a pain to set up for me, but it could be because I have a sort of non-normal network situation
[04:59] <LaserJock> it runs on the ssh port
[05:00] <LaserJock> which was actually not great for me
[05:00] <LaserJock> but it is supposed to be faster than vnc
[05:00] <LaserJock> personally, when I'm on a local network I find X forwarding to be the fastest
[05:01] <bddebian> Aye but X forwarding sucks over internet connections
[05:01] <Sp4rKy> hi MOTU's
[05:01] <Sp4rKy> and others :)
[05:02] <bddebian> Heya Sp4rKy
[05:02] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock, zul :-)
[05:02] <Sp4rKy> hey bddebian
[05:02] <Gloubiboulga> hello Sp4rKy
[05:02] <Sp4rKy> hi Gloubiboulga
[05:03] <Sp4rKy> how are you ?
[05:03] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[05:03] <LaserJock> bddebian: I've alway had good success with vnc
[05:03] <bddebian> Aye
[05:03] <Gloubiboulga> hi bddebian, hi LaserJock
[05:03] <Gloubiboulga> Sp4rKy, fine fine :)
[05:03] <Sp4rKy> :)
[05:03] <Sp4rKy> lucky :p
[05:03] <Sp4rKy> i'm tired
[05:04] <Sp4rKy> and audacious is difficult :/
[06:30] <LaserJock> dholbach: do we have a School session scheduled for this week at all?
[06:30] <dholbach> LaserJock: i'm not aware of it
[06:32] <LaserJock> dholbach: hmmm
[06:33] <zul> LaserJock: well it was a nice idea while it lasted ;)
[06:33] <LaserJock> whatever
[06:34] <zul> kdding!
[06:34] <LaserJock> *I'll* even do one if nobody raises a hand
[06:34] <dholbach> super! :)
[06:35] <LaserJock> problem is, I don't really know anything :/
[06:42] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[06:42] <bddebian> LaserJock: Aye, me too :-(
[06:43] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[06:49] <bddebian> LaserJock: I could do a class on how to annoy core-devs ;-P
[06:56] <phanatic> hello MOTU world
[06:57] <Libre> phanatic, hello phanatic
[06:57] <phanatic> hi Libre
[07:29] <LaserJock> dholbach: hmm, what if somebody did a "How to triage bugs" MOTU School session this week?
[07:30] <LaserJock> maybe you or sfflaw? or somebody?
[07:31] <zul> that would be a good idea
[07:32] <LaserJock> if we could have a relatively easy one this week (since we don't have much time left) then perhaps I can whip up a "Into to Ubuntu packaging" for next week that I can pimp hard on fridge, u-d, and the forums
[07:32] <dholbach> ask sfllaw - i think i'll do a "upgrading packages" session, i'm just quite swamped in work atm
[07:32] <LaserJock> dholbach: I understand
[07:39] <Sp4rKy> what's the command for add a entry to the debian/changelog ?
[07:39] <LaserJock> dch
[07:39] <LaserJock> usually dch -i or something similar
[07:40] <Sp4rKy> thx
[07:47] <Sp4rKy> when i update a package, do i need recreate patches ?
[07:48] <LaserJock> what do you mean by patches?
[07:48] <Sp4rKy> i need use patch system because .desktop is not valid
[07:49] <LaserJock> the .desktop is in the .orig.tar.gz?
[07:50] <Sp4rKy> yes
[07:50] <LaserJock> does the current package use a patch system?
[07:51] <Sp4rKy> yes
[07:52] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: what patch system?
[08:12] <bddebian> OK, what have I missed? :-)
[08:13] <Yagisan> bddebian, several join and quit messages, a little conversation, and a streaker
[08:13] <bddebian> w00t, a streaker?
[08:14] <Yagisan> bddebian, it wasn't much to look at
[09:00] <crimsun> imbrandon: excellent (RE: apt-mirror)
[09:05] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, sorry, i'm eating
[09:05] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, dpatch system
[09:06] <Sp4rKy> hi raphink
[09:06] <raphink> hi Sp4rKy
[09:07] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: and there is already a patch for the .desktop or you need to create one?
[09:08] <Sp4rKy> there is already one
[09:08] <Sp4rKy> but they doesn't work if i try a pbuild
[09:08] <Sp4rKy> so i think i've to modify the patch....
[09:23] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: use dpatch-edit-patch <patchname>
[09:28] <Casanova> I get this error ``dh_testdir: I have no package to build'' what could be the reason?
[09:29] <crimsun> missing ./debian/
[09:29] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:29] <Casanova> crimsun: :| isnt the debian/rules file getting executed
[09:29] <Casanova> how can ./debian be missing?
[09:30] <crimsun> what's in ./debian/control?
[09:31] <crimsun> there are many ways of invoking dh_testdir(1), from ./debian/rules -- while a safe assumption -- isn't readily the case if you're doing it manually.
[09:31] <Casanova> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/112199 and http://pastebin.ca/112201
[09:33] <crimsun> need your ./debian/rules
[09:34] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, thx
[09:34] <Sp4rKy> i'll try
[09:34] <LaserJock> hmm, I  suppose 02:00 UTC wouldn't be a good time for a school session :/
[09:34] <Casanova> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/112207
[09:35] <Sp4rKy> did motu school start ?
[09:36] <LaserJock> there have been 2 sessions so far
[09:38] <crimsun> Casanova: your ./debian/rules is the culprit.
[09:38] <Casanova> crimsun: what is the error there?
[09:38] <crimsun> the binary-indep target.
[09:38] <Casanova> yes?
[09:38] <Casanova> no DH_OPTIONS ?
[09:40] <crimsun> no, that's not the issue
[09:40] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, i don't understand what i need to do after dpatch-edit-patch debian/patches/mypatch ?
[09:40] <crimsun> where's the debianised source package?
[09:40] <Casanova> crimsun: what else is the issue?
[09:41] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: you fix what you want to fix (i.e. the .desktop) and the you type "exit" or do Ctrl-D and it updates the patch
[09:41] <crimsun> Casanova: I need to see the actual debianised source package.
[09:41] <LaserJock> crimsun: is he really running debian/rules from within debian/rules?
[09:41] <Casanova> crimsun: do you mean the ldtp directory?
[09:41] <crimsun> LaserJock: yes, he is, which is a no-no.
[09:41] <Casanova> shall i upload it to a remote server?
[09:42] <Casanova> crimsun: by the way when i removed the DH_OPTIONS it finished fine
[09:42] <crimsun> Casanova: yes, upload the whole shebang. Also, don't call debian/rules from within debian/rules.
[09:42] <crimsun> may as well just review the whole thing while we're looking.
[09:43] <Casanova> cool :)
[09:43] <Casanova> uploading...
[09:49] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, so i edit directly the .desktop in the new shell ?
[09:50] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:50] <LaserJock> that's the fun of it
[09:53] <dholbach> have a nice evening
[09:54] <LaserJock> cya dholbach, I got sfflaw lined up for Friday and I'll do a packaging basics session next Thursday/Friday
[09:54] <dholbach> LaserJock: that's super!
[09:55] <crimsun> night daniel
[09:56] <dholbach> night daniel!
[09:58] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, ok thx
[09:58] <Casanova> crimsun: http://people.freedesktop.org/~prashmohan/ldtp-0.5.0/
[09:59] <crimsun> (sec, in a conference call)
[09:59] <Casanova> ok
[10:08] <crimsun> Casanova: sorry, but is this the extracted source package? I meant the .orig.tar.gz+.dsc+.diff.gz
[10:56] <bddebian> crimsun: You actually around?
[10:56] <crimsun> no.
[10:59] <bddebian> :'-(
[11:07] <bddebian> crimsun: Don't like to me, I "see" you on #edubuntu :-)
[11:08] <LaserJock> bddebian: hehe
[11:08] <crimsun> bddebian: I probably wouldn't have answered at all if I weren't.
[11:10] <bddebian> Bah, I get no love.. :-)
[11:11] <bddebian> So, what would be the proper versioning for attal from CVS?  0.10.1-0+CVS20060802ubuntu1?
[11:13] <crimsun> did you completely gut the debian packaging?
[11:13] <bddebian> crimsun: Pretty much.  Debian version is 0.9.2 (Though I kept the changelog)
[11:14] <crimsun> I'd use 0.10.1.cvs20060802-0ubuntu1
[11:14] <bddebian> OK, thx
[11:26] <bddebian> Anyone have an Edgy install with a high speed connection, wouldn't mind testing some attal .debs for me?
[11:35] <Spec> how can I extract debian/* out of a .deb?
[11:35] <LaserJock> you can't
[11:35] <LaserJock> at least I don't think you can
[11:35] <LaserJock> you can get out a lot of the info
[11:36] <Spec> can i extract the pre/post inst scripts?
[11:36] <LaserJock> yes
[11:36] <Spec> how? :)
[11:37] <bddebian> apt-get source foo ;P
[11:37] <Spec> not in a repository
[11:37] <LaserJock> perhaps dpkg -e
[11:37] <LaserJock> I'd just man dpkg
[11:37] <Spec> that got out DEBIAN/* :p
[11:38] <Spec> -e = extract control information
[11:38] <Spec> i was searching 'man dpkg' for preinst postinst and nothing was relevant
[11:38] <Spec> thanks
[11:38] <LaserJock> it got everything in debian/ ?
[11:39] <LaserJock> ah, control and postinst, etc.
[11:39] <Spec> conffiles, config, control, md5sums, postinst, postrm, prerm, templates
[11:39] <Spec> didn't get rules, (if there were any)
[11:59] <TheMuso> If any MOTu has a chance, could they please review the debdiff at the end of bug #54936 and upload please. I have been told that UVF is not yet in for us, but at the time, I thought the upstream version freeze a few weeks back also applied to us as well. :)
[11:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54936 in speech-dispatcher "UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1." [Untriaged,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54936