=== mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:11] LaserJock: I don't think so [12:11] however, the sync process is based on bugs filed, and works well [12:11] accepting requests from developers is also different from accepting requests from everybody (as in motu-reviewers) === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:14] good night guys [12:14] night daniel [12:16] g'night dholbach [12:16] cya dholbach [12:16] night guys - you rock! :) [12:17] lucas: I think the motu-reviewer's would work if MOTUs used it [12:18] I generally don't go "hmm, rather than work on my own stuff, I think I'll go look for things to sponsor" [12:18] :-) [12:18] LaserJock: hehe, exactly. [12:18] LaserJock: not unless you know the person, and so feel like doing them a favour [12:19] exactly, hence the IRC pinging method [12:19] LaserJock: that's the one. [12:19] LaserJock: we need to work on kubuntu not being so cliched, too... [12:19] mhm === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] I've a package which just needs a rebuild because of an ABI change. should I mail infinity ? upload a -XXXbuild1 package ? file a bug ? [12:26] lucas: discuss with infinity/kamion/etc === mat__ [n=mat@82.247.157.187] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@CPE-144-137-231-113.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@85.25.108.1] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:45] heh no one caught my comment about me orphaning everything and leaving this project [12:45] we're used to it ;-) [12:46] besides, nobody wants your GTK1 editor anyway ;-) [12:46] ....cept this time I am serious... [12:46] The Forums War....its reaching too far.... [12:48] Kyral: yeah, but what does the forum have to do with anything here === mat__ is now known as mat [12:48] Because...I am involved...the CoC has been disregarded...and corruption has spread.. [12:50] from what I've seen it is pretty much contained to the forums === Kyral shrugs [12:52] The future will decide my fate [12:52] mine as well [12:53] damn future [12:53] If the Right Thing is done, then I will stay [12:53] else, I'll leave [12:53] because this has reached the CC [12:53] I just don't see why the forum crap would make you leave the whole project [12:54] what's the latest on the "forum crap" ? [12:55] Kass is being prosecuted for no good damn reason? [12:55] I have no idea, that's most of the problem, IMO, the administration of the forums is very closed [12:55] Which is the problem [12:56] any discussion on the Forums about this issue and the thread is deleted and users are threatened with banning if they continue [12:57] In case you can't tell, I support Kassetra....which makes me a big target [12:59] anyway, it seems like the forums admins are going through a crisis and what comes of it I don't know [12:59] and I don't particularly care to some degree [12:59] I don't think the forums will simply go away [01:00] Ubuntu is bigger then that [01:00] I've kept my mouth shut because if I open it I'll go ballistic on people (They wanna see CoC Violations? I'll redefine the term!) [01:00] I know ;-) === tseng wonders what the fuss is about [01:01] tseng: some of the forum admins got fired and many other resigned over it [01:01] heh and this could be considered part of the problem [01:01] saw that [01:01] the apathy in the project [01:01] towards the Forums [01:01] yes, I am supremely apethetic to the Forums [01:01] you aren't going to change this [01:01] Yah I know [01:01] Kyral: well, to be honest I think they have a right to be if this is what is produced [01:01] I've tried a lot [01:02] the signal to noise is horrific === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] they weren't like the other "branches" of the project [01:02] they aren't [01:02] at all [01:02] yet people rely on them more than IRC I would think === sladen suspects that within the forums, they are seen as the centre of the Ubuntu universe; and, ...outside the forums, they are assumed to be quite far from that centre [01:02] Grandma knows how to use a BBS [01:02] Grandma don't know how to use IRC :P [01:03] I agree that the forums have a lot of people, but that doesn't me they are *the* community [01:03] and they are unwilling to work with the rest of the community [01:03] and work like the rest of the community [01:03] unwilling, or unaware [01:04] the admins seem only interested in power and control [01:04] they were unofficial in the first place...so this is a rough transition === azeem [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral is in the unconfortable position of being caught between groups of friends [01:05] Kyral: I know what you mean. I have had groups of friends like that, and it is particularly hard when they both don't get along with each other. [01:06] So...I defend my Sempai in this one [01:06] Kyral: we are only going to get increasinly frustrated with the forums as the build subpar packages and code in isolation of MOTU [01:06] You mean Automatix? [01:06] I mean several things [01:06] Automatix makes the list [01:06] udsf [01:07] the 4 copies of USlab, the fork of compiz [01:07] Keep in mind I started packaging by creating unofficial Backports for Breezy until JDong and co could make official ones... [01:07] I'll give you a free pass on that [01:08] I was pretty upset at jdong as well [01:08] this is a recurring trend [01:08] You can't please everyone :P [01:08] you could at least make an attempt === FunnyHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] Heh [01:09] this isnt really related to the admin staff, however [01:09] hell I don't even use the Forums anymore...I'm in this fight on principle [01:10] I could care less about the staff and direction of the forums, other than harmful forking in isolation [01:13] well, I like the forums but it needs to learn it's place and play well with the rest of the community [01:13] it is *not* a development platform [01:16] is it they know not how to approach -motu? [01:16] somewhat [01:16] they find the guidelines to be concieted or something [01:16] wha/ [01:16] but mostly, from what I've seen, they don't to have to do anything outside the forums [01:16] Like whenever I tried to point out the DFSG or the New Maintainers Guide I got blasted for being a "Debian User" [01:17] or harp on CheckInstall :P [01:17] yes, people have complained in the past why only certain people can upload [01:17] heh...i saw alot of ex-gentoo users [01:17] that it is too elitest [01:17] wow... [01:17] its not elitst...its being sensible [01:17] I should read the forums, looks like there are interesting opinions... === icmp [n=icmp_@unaffiliated/icmp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso should check up on the accessibility forum more often. [01:20] I used to love forums, but now I am nowhere near as much of a fan. IMO mailing lists are more efficient. [01:21] it just depends on what you are trying to do [01:21] if you are trying to just hang out and swap info with other users, forums are great [01:21] fairly easy to search, and post [01:21] but if you are trying to keep the noise down, it's not great [01:22] For me, the inefficiency comes from the fact that you have to go through several steps just to post in a forum, in the correct area. [01:22] In that time, I can be well on my way to finishing a post to a mailing list. [01:23] well, I don't like email so I tend to not like mailing list very much [01:23] but I'd still prefer them over forums for dev work anyday [01:23] and they are absolutely *not* the place to track bugs [01:35] morning [01:36] hej ajmitch [01:48] hi ajmitch === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung__ [n=abelcheu@221.126.145.159] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] Howdy gang [02:44] Hey bddebian [02:44] Hello TheMuso === Kyral hugs bddebian [02:45] ah, bddebian === ajmitch heads out [02:45] bddebian: hehe, I can always tell when bddebian shows up [02:45] my chat client lights up on all channels [02:46] hehe [02:46] Heya Kyral, Laser, ajmitch [02:46] lol [02:46] LaserJock: Hehe, sorry [02:47] bddebian: no problem === Gazer [n=ngazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] Hmm, do I feel like doing anything any more... === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] Hey Hobbsee_ [03:13] Heya Hobbsee_ === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee [03:13] hi zul, bddebian, anyone else who said hello before === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] Hobbsee: did you make it to class? [03:16] tritium: yeah. mostly. ish. [03:16] tritium: enough [03:16] Heya again tritium [03:16] heh ;) [03:16] tritium: it's not worth going home for a while though [03:16] hi again, bddebian [03:17] bddebian: i need a kickban [03:17] tseng: for what? [03:17] bddebian: to ease my troubled soul [03:17] tseng: I wish I could and I would man.. [03:17] me too [03:18] when is this elusive geek dinner === bmonty_away is now known as bmonty [03:19] tseng: dev summit, maybe? [03:19] hi everyone [03:20] Hobbsee: no thanks. [03:21] Hobbsee: pleebs arent invited to those, anyway [03:21] tseng: yeah true === Hobbsee is such a pleb :P [03:22] Heya bmonty [03:22] Oh hush up Hobbsee, you got more kudos than I did. No one said a word for me :'-( [03:22] hey bddebian [03:23] bddebian: :( [03:23] bddebian: sure, they said a word to me - it was "no" [03:23] :P [03:23] Hobbsee: No, I mean at least crimsun and others spoke up about the work you do [03:23] bddebian: ah. true [03:24] 12% [1 kdelibs-data 2194836/7186kB 30%] 27.5kB/s 9m38s [03:24] yay for uni connections. [03:39] heh === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pschulz01 [n=paul@eth6067.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch returns [03:54] hey ajmitch [03:55] yay! [03:55] hi everybody who has shown up in the last hour! [03:55] heh [03:57] heh [03:57] wb ajmitch [03:58] hi ajmitch [03:58] hi LaserJock, bmonty [03:59] hi Hobbsee [03:59] ok, have we all gotten that out of our systems? [03:59] :) === Hobbsee attacks bmonty with a chair [04:00] ow... [04:00] *bleeds from head* [04:00] YOU MISSED! [04:00] hehe [04:00] *passes out from blood loss* [04:00] sorry Kyral :P === bmonty zaps Hobbsee with his tazer! Buzzzzzz! === TheMuso starts to suspect a violent undertone to Hobbsee's personality. [04:01] TheMuso: hehe. it's my axe-murdering tendancies coming out === Kyral is still unconscious [04:01] TheMuso: you only suspect that now? === Hobbsee is zapped. ouch. [04:01] ajmitch: Well, a lot worse than everyone ever thought. [04:02] you people are wacky and slackers [04:02] I haven't used Slackware in 1.5 years [04:02] LOL [04:02] Well I haven't used Slackware in 2 years. [04:03] zul: have you fixed all of zen yet? [04:03] its XEN! [04:03] Hobbsee: no i havent fixed zen yet [04:03] I have NEVER used slackware! :-) [04:03] oh...oops...hehe [04:03] Hobbsee: i probably wont fix zen either :) === Hobbsee would have thought zul would have renamed it by now. [04:03] the short form of zul's xen. [04:03] Hobbsee: pretty frigging close though === Kyral smacks Hobbsee with his bloody head [04:03] zul: :P [04:04] Kyral: thanks. next time do it properly, so that i dont ever have to go home, okay? [04:04] Hobbsee: you didnt see my screenshot did you...tut tut [04:04] zul: i did...yeah. [04:05] cool [04:06] anyone know who bigon (Laurent Bigonville) is? [04:06] no, but he seems active [04:06] bmonty: which bug are you looking at? [04:06] yeah, I'm looking at his sync requests [04:07] qemu right now [04:07] ok [04:07] it isn't a sync [04:07] he did a few for motureviewers as ewll [04:07] like update libcm, which was slightly off === ajmitch had updated it a couple of days beforehand but not uploaded yet [04:07] libnss-ldap looks ok to sync [04:07] no! === LaserJock was starting to think he was going to have to start up the Nd:YAG [04:08] Release Critical: 5 [04:08] bmonty: I've already looked at that - it has 5 RC bugs in debian [04:08] it's nice of him to help out & all.. [04:08] bug #54664 [04:08] Malone bug 54664 in libnss-ldap "please sync 251-5 from debian sid" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54664 === ajmitch sighs [04:09] the bugs must be in functionality then? [04:09] the bugs are in "this package kills your system if you have it enabled" [04:09] like breaking local users as well [04:09] nice [04:09] well it is edgy.. [04:10] I have been watching it for my SoC stuff, you know :) [04:10] ajmitch: I figured as much...that is why I mentioned it [04:10] that's why bug 51315 is assigned to me at the moment [04:10] Malone bug 51315 in libnss-ldap "udevd: nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/51315 [04:10] you want to reject it, or should I? [04:10] since that's the major problem it fixes [04:10] it's a matter of exchanging 1 major bug for 5 others === ajmitch was sure he'd added comments to that bug [04:11] you know that sasl binds still fail on amd64 right? [04:11] b.d.o seems to be down right now :( [04:11] it's depressing, really [04:12] how much broken infrastructure stuff there [04:12] is [04:12] I agree, you would think that SSO software would be very well maintained, and there would be lots of documentation [04:13] don't be silly [04:14] did you reject 54664? [04:14] yes [04:14] ok, we must have both been editing it at the same time [04:15] heh [04:17] what's the status with bug 51517? [04:17] Malone bug 51517 in qemu "version 0.8.1 available" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/51517 [04:18] ah right, the same thing with sparc packages moved to Recommends [04:18] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/qemu/+changelog is useful :) [04:18] and also very hard to find [04:19] are you working on 51517? It doesn't look like a sync to me [04:19] no, I was just checking with you, and confirmed that it's not a sync [04:20] ah, OK [04:20] I'll let you reject this one [04:20] done [04:21] poor guy, getting his bugs rejected [04:21] heh [04:23] nice, OLPC got a order for 4 million laptops [04:23] that'll be a good boost [04:23] Yeah, I saw that today [04:23] They are using FC though right? [04:23] yeah, I believe so [04:23] Has someone encouraged him to come onto IRC and talk through what he is doing? [04:24] https://launchpad.net/people/bigon/+reportedbugs [04:25] he's filed a few [04:25] & those are just the open ones [04:28] he has a ton of karma for bug management [04:28] 97 filed in total [04:28] though that's with duplicates hidden still [04:28] bddebian: I believe there will be an Ubuntu flavor for OLPC as well [04:28] LaserJock: Ah, cool [04:29] bddebian: Edubuntu people already have a few prototypes === bddebian is out of the loop as usual === ajmitch decides it's time to upload xgl & libcm [04:29] well, we had a little discussion during the Paris summit, Mark even showed up for it [04:30] Ah, nice [04:30] bddebian: you probably need to be in the edubuntu loop for that [04:30] how long does it typically take for a bug filed by email to show up in Malone? [04:30] the ubuntu community has grown a bit [04:30] ajmitch: Nah, I'm just a lowly MOTU [04:30] bmonty: usually 5-10 minutes [04:30] bddebian: me too [04:30] and I'm on the Edubuntu Council :/ [04:31] LaserJock: well you are special [04:31] heck no [04:31] I just hang out on IRC too much [04:31] special in my heart :) [04:31] well, this is a large xgl diff, with doing autogen.sh [04:31] my wife would say, "special ed maybe" ;-) [04:31] yeah ditto [04:31] or she would just call me a retard === Hobbsee searches for a powerpack [04:32] Uptime: 1 hours and 25 minutes [04:32] not that bad... [04:32] Hobbsee: Low battery? [04:33] TheMuso: it just started flashing red, yeah [04:33] broken/old battery [04:33] ...and of course the qemu package FTBFS [04:33] bmonty: as usual [04:33] Right. === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] Hey imbrandon. [04:36] heya TheMuso === imbrandon yawns as he tries to re-wakeup [04:37] Hi imbrandon, now get to work! ;-P [04:37] heh how go's it ? [04:37] hahaha i plan to bwhahahaha kubuntu world domination plan in effect [04:37] lol [04:39] hi imbrandon [04:39] heya Hobbsee [04:39] imbrandon: hehe. now you can upload everyone elses stuff :P [04:39] hahah i'm gonna do a few of my own first to get the feel of it [04:40] and probably poke you / others to help me get the reviwing others stuff down sainly ;) [04:40] hehe [04:40] imbrandon: hehe. now you can use dput foo, rather than dput revu foo :P [04:41] btw i just now got your jabber, i crashed hard ( read: slept ) after the meeting and just woke [04:41] imbrandon: dont forget about the whacks of the paddle [04:41] i was out like a light [04:41] imbrandon: hehe, fair enough. === Hobbsee was at class. === imbrandon runs from zul [04:41] good night everyone [04:41] gnight bmonty === bmonty is now known as bmonty_away [04:42] ok time for breakfast bbiab [04:44] Gnight bmot [04:44] Damnit.. bmonty_away === bddebian skips any Java packages === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:55] bddebian: surely they're not that evil :P [04:56] java is as evil to me as mono is to the -devel list hehe [04:57] hehe === Hobbsee is lazy, and plays ksudoku in the background. [04:58] hehehe === Hobbsee is waiting for acroread and mozilla-acroread to download, so she can do her maths quiz. [04:59] Hobbsee: Not evil, just have doko's name on them and I don't particularly care for Java anyway [04:59] may as well do all the uni work if i'm avoiding going home. [04:59] bddebian: heh, fair enough [04:59] school zones ? [04:59] Hobbsee: Why not going home? [04:59] Another class? [04:59] imbrandon: please don't bring up that mono thread [04:59] TheMuso: no. not interested in getting lectured yet again. [05:00] TheMuso: home isnt terribly pleasant at the moment. [05:00] Oh ok. [05:00] That sucks. [05:00] ajmitch: he was a joke, i'll all for it ajmitch i love mono tbh personaly but yea i hear ya , it needs to DIE [05:00] ( the thread ) [05:00] s/he/heh [05:01] Hobbsee: getting any warmer there? just take the lappy out to the porch if so and stay outa the chaos ;) [05:01] works for me sometimes [05:01] imbrandon: it's warm enough in these computer labs, yeah :) === Hobbsee goes and does it on one of the lab computers. ick. and it's timed. [05:03] ....what a statment to walk into the channel and see === lukaswayne9_zzz is now known as lukaswayne9 [05:04] Hobbsee: beware of lab computers and their nasty, germy keyboards [05:04] gah how can i get "apt-cache show" to use a regex without looing in the current dir "apt-cache show * |grep libgamin0" seems to try to look for pkgs named the folders in my cwd [05:05] all I can say is [05:05] looking* [05:05] "Kinky" [05:05] if i was Kyral or tritium i would /hide before she read any of that heh [05:05] hehehee [05:05] She set herself up for it [05:06] gah this is serouisly annoying, anyhow /me looks for another way [05:07] imbrandon: heh :) [05:12] Kyral!!!! === Hobbsee thwaps Kyral [05:12] hehehe [05:13] You set yourself up for it :P [05:13] Kyral: you didnt read the context before. [05:13] I couldn't find anything relevent :P [05:13] Kyral: try the maths thing i was doing. === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.146.227] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=duck@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] bddebian: still working on bug 2596? [05:53] Malone bug 2596 in attal "Attal in Ubuntu is almost not playable, 4 new attal versions (0.9.3, 0.9.4, 0.10, 0.10.1) released, please update" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/2596 [05:54] ajmitch: I was working on packaging it but lfittl said he wanted to do it [05:54] ok [05:54] ajmitch: It's a little problematic because now the themes need to be built with the client/server [05:54] so they can't be separate source packages? [05:54] I don't think so unless I'm missing something [05:55] I don't see why they are anyway. YOu have to have at least one theme [05:55] or are there some headers that the themes can build with? [05:55] ajmitch: Well it expects themes.o to be in the build tree now (new build system) [05:56] fun [05:58] Not really :-) [05:59] woot 1 more hour till dr who 2006 is on /me starts a long build [06:01] imbrandon: there's lots of stuff in -bugs to be fixed :P [06:01] yea i'm doing the last merge atm that has my name on it [06:02] Hobbsee: we're leaving them for you [06:02] heheh [06:02] ajmitch: bleh. i'm doing uni work === Hobbsee picks up her whip [06:02] ajmitch: maybe you should do them all? [06:02] no === Hobbsee cracks her whip at bddebian for more syncs :) [06:03] mwuahahaha [06:03] heh === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [06:03] heya LaserJock [06:03] ah, LaserJock returns [06:03] hi imbrandon [06:03] Right, I certainly have not done enough :-) === dudus [n=dudus@200.246.22.208] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch looks at the 1001 useless forum posts about what edgy must have === redguy [n=mati@afc120.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:04] ajmitch: waste of time, do something useful. [06:04] haha [06:05] Hobbsee: but its amuseing [06:05] don't feel like it [06:05] heh [06:05] :P [06:05] imbrandon: true [06:05] at times [06:08] Hobbsee: Sho_ says kde 3.5.4 is hitting the kde.org ftp mirrors atm [06:08] heh [06:08] imbrandon: nice :) debian has it [06:08] yea so do we lol, we cheat [06:08] ( in his words ) [06:08] imbrandon: how are those builds doing? [06:09] still chugging bulding kvirc atm [06:09] ah :) [06:09] was a trivial merge but when i added dh_iconcahe the first time it FTBS so i'm makin sure it dosent this time [06:09] and there was no kde.mk so i had to re-add it [06:10] but it takes longer than freakin amarok to build LOL [06:10] hehe [06:10] now htat's scary [06:10] imbrandon: you need a faster box to build on [06:10] i swear kvirc for some reason is like THE longest kde app to build [06:10] ajmitch: amd64 3400+ with 2 gig ram [06:11] heh [06:11] I feel sorry for you kde folks [06:11]