[09:32] <A-Kaser> poy poy
[03:10] <Astinus-> in which package can i find CC, C compiler? 
[03:11] <A-Kaser> gcc
[03:11] <Astinus-> i installed it, but no cc
[03:11] <A-Kaser> ?
[03:12] <Astinus-> only gcc
[03:15] <A-Kaser> what do you try to compile ?
[03:35] <infinity> Astinus-: /usr/bin/cc sure as heck works over here.
[03:35] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ cc -v 2>&1 | tail -n 1
[03:35] <infinity> gcc version 4.1.2 20060715 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.1-9ubuntu1)
[03:36] <infinity> Of course, that's still gcc, but I'm not sure what you're expecting.  This isn't Solaris, our system compiler *is* GCC.
[04:11] <J_P> hi all
[06:43] <A-Kaser> hum
[06:43] <A-Kaser> I try to remove quagga on ubuntu-server
[06:43] <A-Kaser> and it's not possible ...
[06:43] <A-Kaser> dpkg --force-all -purge quagga
[06:43] <A-Kaser> don't work
[06:43] <A-Kaser> idea ?
[06:47] <infinity> A) never use --force-all
[06:47] <infinity> B) Why are you purging with dpkg directly, instead of a higher-level package manager?
[06:48] <infinity> C) What's the error message?  "don't work" isn't helpful.
[06:48] <infinity> D) This isn't a support channel.
[06:48] <A-Kaser> because I use apt-get and dpkg everytime
[06:48] <infinity> But I suggest "apt-get --purge remove quagga"
[06:48] <A-Kaser> never a high level packages
[06:48] <A-Kaser> apt-get --purge it's same as dpkg
[06:48] <infinity> No, it's not.
[06:48] <infinity> It handles dependency removal.
[06:49] <infinity> dpkg just tries to remove what you tell it to, and fails if that doesn't work.
[06:49] <A-Kaser> yes 
[06:49] <A-Kaser> and I prefer
[06:49] <A-Kaser> because if I have other program which need the lib without depend 
[06:50] <A-Kaser> apt-get remove the lib
[06:50] <infinity> Err, come again?
[06:50] <infinity> quagga's not a library, and no libraries depend on it.
[06:51] <infinity> If you're talking about automatic removal of "auto-installed packages", you're thinking aptitude, not apt-get, and that's not what I meant.
[06:51] <A-Kaser> for quagga yes
[06:51] <A-Kaser> I speak in general
[06:52] <infinity> If you remove A, and B depends on A, B should be removed also.  Otherwise you just broke your system.
[06:52] <A-Kaser> the problem is not this
[06:52] <A-Kaser> I install C
[06:52] <A-Kaser> C work alone
[06:52] <A-Kaser> but C can have a new feature if I add another lib
[06:53] <A-Kaser> So I install lib B without dependecy
[06:53] <A-Kaser> after I install application A which need lib B
[06:53] <infinity> Yeah, you're thinking of aptitude.  Not apt-get.  I just said that.
[06:53] <infinity> apt-get will only remove things to prevent you from breaking stuff, it won't remove things cause it thinks you "don't need them anymore".
[06:54] <A-Kaser> if you remove A with depedendy B so application C lost is new feature
[06:54] <A-Kaser> http://pastebin.ca/112022
[06:54] <infinity> I go back to my statement (D).  This isn't a support channel.
[06:54] <A-Kaser> it's ubuntu-server
[06:55] <A-Kaser> and I suppose quagga is not a user service
[06:55] <infinity> Looks like a bug in quagga.
[06:55] <A-Kaser> or most of people have BGP at home may be ?
[06:55] <A-Kaser> so I don't live in the same galaxy as you
[06:55] <infinity> dpkg-reconfigure quagga, tell it to stop the daemon on package removal, then remove it.
[06:55] <A-Kaser> same
[06:56] <infinity> I used to advertise BGP routes at home, actually.
[06:56] <infinity> Until I moved and seriously downgraded my network.
[06:56] <A-Kaser> lool
[06:56] <infinity> Anyhow, file a bug if you'd like to see this properly fixed.  I'll forget about it by morning if you don't.
[06:57] <infinity> But from the output, I'm guessing that "dpkg-reconfigure quagga", picking a different option, then purging the package will have you happy.
[06:57] <A-Kaser> I don't want to reconfigure it
[06:58] <A-Kaser> but I do it before in hope quagga become 'stable' to be unsintalled
[06:59] <infinity> I know you don't want to reconfigure it, but it appears to be tripping specifically on a stupid debconf setting (and a broken postrm that doesn't deal with it right), so just humour me.
[06:59] <infinity> And note that these sorts of answers can be given to you in #ubuntu.  The fact that quagga is a daemon has nothing to do with it, this is just a packaging bug, as could be found in any package.
[07:00] <A-Kaser> sure
[07:00] <A-Kaser> and for you
[07:00] <A-Kaser> what is a server question ?
[07:02] <infinity> This is a development channel.
[07:03] <infinity> But if you have really fascinating questions that are a bit more than "I can't purge a package, help", we sometimes take pity and have fun debugging.
[07:03] <A-Kaser> lol
[07:03] <A-Kaser> -ChanServ- [#ubuntu-server]  Ubuntu Server Discussions (development and support)
[07:04] <infinity> Yes, ChanServ lies.  I think Fabio created the channel, so I'll make him fix it.
[07:05] <infinity> At least we can have an accurate topic.
[07:06] <A-Kaser> gn