| raphink | ok rebuilding packages for i386 and ppc now | 12:09 |
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| raphink | it'll be ready in an hour or so I guess | 12:09 |
| raphink | maybe a bit more for the ppc | 12:10 |
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| allee | edubuntu still tries/hopes to replace kdeedu apps :( (instead of replace gnome with kde and be done) | 01:03 |
| allee | what a waste of resources and energy | 01:05 |
| DaSkreech | Thats a lot of apps | 01:06 |
| allee | Yes. Edubuntu is great. but wasting resources & energy is really sad | 01:08 |
| crimsun | I presume you're referring to things like kalzium? | 01:08 |
| allee | yes. This was explicitely mentioned in the meeting | 01:09 |
| allee | crimsun: at LinuxTag ogra mentioned in his edubuntu talk that they plan to replace all kdeedu stuff. Not sure for how may there are already a as-good-or-better gnome replacement exists | 01:10 |
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| allee | crimsun: ah, tuberling misses a gnome equiv too. Write an app instead of 10 pics (that can be copied from somewhere I'm sure). Strange | 01:11 |
| danimo | heya allee | 01:12 |
| allee | hi danimo | 01:12 |
| allee | what word here 'ping'ed you :) | 01:13 |
| danimo | allee: nothing, I just saw you around :) | 01:18 |
| === danimo is actually about to go to bed | ||
| danimo | too much typing going on here | 01:19 |
| allee | danimo: I stop whining now ;) | 01:19 |
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| allee | well, right waiting for a raid to sync is boring. | 01:19 |
| === allee -> bed | ||
| allee | nite | 01:19 |
| danimo | bye allee | 01:20 |
| DaSkreech | allee: night | 01:25 |
| DaSkreech | crimsun: That's a hefty task | 01:26 |
| Riddell | raphink: what progress? | 01:40 |
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| DaSkreech | How does bash figure out mime types? | 02:23 |
| Riddell | it doesn't | 02:31 |
| DaSkreech | It does | 02:32 |
| crimsun | (no, it really doesn't.) | 02:32 |
| Riddell | it's a shell, it cares not at all for mimetypes | 02:32 |
| DaSkreech | fine how does the file command (Called by bash) figure out mimetypes | 02:32 |
| Riddell | magic | 02:33 |
| crimsun | through libmagic1. | 02:33 |
| DaSkreech | right I'm as far as /etc/mime.types | 02:33 |
| DaSkreech | I need to add an application to handle a mime tpye | 02:33 |
| DaSkreech | type | 02:33 |
| Riddell | I don't think it uses /etc/mime.types, but I could be wrong | 02:34 |
| Riddell | to handle in which way? | 02:34 |
| DaSkreech | Auto complete | 02:34 |
| DaSkreech | Ok If I figure it out I'll let you know | 02:35 |
| Riddell | /etc/bash_completion | 02:35 |
| DaSkreech | Right that's what is causing the problem :) | 02:36 |
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| DaSkreech | I think that they only recognize x-audio | 02:54 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 03:21 |
| DaSkreech | Hi | 03:22 |
| bddebian | Hello DaSkreech | 03:23 |
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| DaSkreech | Night | 04:01 |
| bddebian | Gnight DaSkreech | 04:01 |
| bddebian | Heya imbrandon | 04:01 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 05:32 |
| chenlevy | 3.5.4 | 06:28 |
| chenlevy | oops sorry, ment to search of the string not comment on it | 06:29 |
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| raphink | Riddell: http://raphink.net/ubuntu/pool/dapper/ | 07:06 |
| raphink | there you have the packages for i386 and powerpc | 07:06 |
| Hobbsee | hi Riddell | 07:07 |
| raphink | hi Hobbsee | 07:07 |
| Hobbsee | hi raphink | 07:07 |
| === Hobbsee thought she typed raphink the first time. | ||
| raphink | alright | 07:07 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 09:21 |
| Riddell | morning | 09:28 |
| Hobbsee | hi Riddell! you're up early! | 09:29 |
| Riddell | distro meeting | 09:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ahh! knew i'd forgotten about something. | 09:31 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: how far have they gotten? | 09:31 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: and i'll need our meeting moved to being on a thursday night 2100UTC, rather than a wednesday night 2100UTC. | 09:32 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: bout half i would guess | 09:32 |
| === Hobbsee screwed that up, after changing maths classes. and forgot to go to class today. oops. | ||
| Hobbsee | if you want me to be there, that is :P | 09:32 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: ok, we'll change that, it's not been announced anywhere yet | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: sorry about that. | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: what stuff did you say in the meeting? | 09:50 |
| Riddell | see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DevelTeamMeeting20060803 | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i saw there before. a blank section :P | 09:54 |
| Riddell | updated | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | oh yay, here it is :) | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | nice | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: the storms finished there yet? | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | no still raining like ...... ummm yea , but its calmed down a bit no more power outages i dont think | 09:58 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: ah nice. | 09:58 |
| imbrandon | sides i got the router on the ups with the computers now soo even if it does no biggie unless its out for more than ~45 minutes | 09:58 |
| imbrandon | or so | 09:58 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: nice. so i should crack my whip, and konversation packages will appear? :P | 09:59 |
| imbrandon | hhahah lemme figure out how to merge there two bzr branches and i'll work on the new edgy konversation ;) | 10:00 |
| imbrandon | s/there/these | 10:00 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 10:00 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: this come accross my rss a few minutes ago, you might like it | 10:00 |
| imbrandon | http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,71515-0.html?tw=rss.index | 10:00 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: nice... | 10:07 |
| === Hobbsee wonders how to request that a package is taken out of hte archive. | ||
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| Hobbsee | hi Seveas | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | heya Seveas | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: why ? | 10:08 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: file a bug on it and subscribe ubuntu-archive | 10:08 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: to get kdelibs-bin out of edgy, so people dont start depending on it again. | 10:08 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, that's what kamion said. i'm more looking for what goes *into* the bug. | 10:08 |
| Riddell | "please remove, it no longer exists" | 10:08 |
| Seveas | hi imbrandon and Hobbsee | 10:09 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right | 10:09 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: well, it does exist for the time being, hence it's removal. | 10:09 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: can you eyeball https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/48954 please? | 10:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 48954 in kdelibs "KDE File Sharing doesn't work with 2-character long home directories" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 10:13 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: iv'e got no idea what the intended response is - but it may be useful to you | 10:13 |
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| Riddell | seems correct at a glance | 10:16 |
| Riddell | I wonder where fileshareset is used | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: we're definetly removing amarok-arts, and leaving only amarok-xine and amarok-engines, right? | 10:17 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yep | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: anything else to file death requests on? | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | apart from yama? (i wish!) | 10:17 |
| Riddell | just those two I think but the place to check is http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/edgy_probs.html | 10:18 |
| Riddell | aye, just those two | 10:19 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, that's where i was looking in the first place | 10:19 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: cool :) | 10:19 |
| Hobbsee | right. that's done | 10:21 |
| === Hobbsee wonders just how many of the amarok bugs are fixed with 1.4.2 | ||
| Hobbsee | fabo: ping? | 10:22 |
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| danimo | damn, we need a freeze exception for kopete | 10:27 |
| danimo | ICQ broke protocols again | 10:27 |
| imbrandon | 0.12.2 out soon | 10:28 |
| Riddell | hmm, we should get that into dapper-updates | 10:28 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: how many hours ago did they break it? | 10:28 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: which? 0.12.2, or the icq fix? | 10:28 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: a few days ago already, but my client was connected until 2 minutes ago | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: isnt there a patch in kde svn to stop it from breakin every time they change the protocal ? | 10:28 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: then suddenly, the server disconnected me | 10:29 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: i fixed that....apt-cache policy kopete | 10:29 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: you already did the ecno icq fix didn't you? | 10:29 |
| Hobbsee | and are you on dapper/edgy/what? | 10:29 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i've done the last two. | 10:29 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 10:29 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: cool, sorted | 10:29 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: there is. i'm waiting for 0.12.2 for it, or when they break it again. whichever happens first. | 10:29 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 10:30 |
| Hobbsee | mainly cos i'm lazy, and i'm not happy with main stuff at the moment :P | 10:30 |
| imbrandon | shush ;) | 10:30 |
| Riddell | 0.12.2 downloads ICQ fixes from the web if it fails to connect | 10:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: indeed :) | 10:30 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: yea thats what i was talking about in SVN | 10:30 |
| danimo | Riddell: updates from the web? | 10:30 |
| danimo | Riddell: as in binary modules? | 10:31 |
| Riddell | danimo: not rightly sure | 10:31 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: and as many of us that work on kopete i have just learned the greatness of bzr branches on LP , we might look into one for kopete | 10:31 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yeah. or just keep throwing our versions into the archive, i guess. | 10:31 |
| Riddell | danimo: presumably not binary modules, just something telling it of the correct version to report to icq | 10:31 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: you might want to look at talking to upstream, and getting involved up there with stuff :) | 10:32 |
| danimo | Riddell: ah, ok | 10:32 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: yea true | 10:32 |
| imbrandon | i'm still getting used to all this new stuff though i need to cutback err better word for it , not take any more new stuff on till i finish some of what i started | 10:32 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 10:33 |
| imbrandon | give me a week i'll be caught back up ;) | 10:33 |
| danimo | why can't just everyone use jabber? :} | 10:33 |
| imbrandon | danimo: i do use jabber but convice my 600+ guild mates on UO to use jabber ;) | 10:33 |
| imbrandon | plus i like my semi low icq number ;) | 10:34 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: heh | 10:34 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: yeah, exactly. jabber is very nice :) | 10:34 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: hehe fair enough | 10:34 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: I never bothered migrating to jabber transports, because jabber isn't the most reliable service either, at least on jabber.org | 10:35 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: that is true. same for .org.au | 10:35 |
| imbrandon | but honestly bzr on LP is teh shiznit , it can keep a /upstream branch thats updated^Wsynced from svn and a "ubuntu" branch with out changes that merge with the upstream svn stuff, all very slick , and i just figured out how to use it lol | 10:36 |
| imbrandon | s/with out/with our | 10:37 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: how often does it go offline? | 10:37 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: nice :) | 10:37 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: and for how long? | 10:37 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: dont remember - dont watch it too closely. i just get trouble connecting' | 10:38 |
| Hobbsee | oh darn it! i'm late again! | 10:38 |
| danimo | it fails for me every two weeks or so | 10:38 |
| Hobbsee | bye all! | 10:38 |
| imbrandon | later Hobbsee | 10:38 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: bye :) | 10:38 |
| === Hobbsee is late to everything. :( | ||
| danimo | Hobbsee: for what this time? | 10:38 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: bible study | 10:38 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: oha | 10:39 |
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| omeow | k3bsetup cannot update all permissions as root | 11:16 |
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| Ignite_ | what version of g++ was used to compile the KDE 3.5.3 kubuntu packages? | 12:14 |
| Ignite_ | :( | 12:17 |
| Riddell | Ignite_: which ones? | 12:18 |
| Ignite_ | the ones in this repo: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dapper main | 12:19 |
| Riddell | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/gcc-defaults | 12:20 |
| Ignite_ | thanks | 12:20 |
| Riddell | gcc-4.0-base (>= 4.0.3) | 12:20 |
| Ignite_ | :) | 12:20 |
| lnxkde | Riddell thankx for the KDE 3.5.4 packages :D | 12:23 |
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| Riddell | lnxkde: are you using them on dapper? | 12:51 |
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| viviersf | heh just went darring and tried xgl/compiz on kubuntu | 01:12 |
| Riddell | uh oh | 01:13 |
| viviersf | lol | 01:14 |
| viviersf | it works fine | 01:14 |
| viviersf | but | 01:14 |
| viviersf | it breaks applications :/ | 01:14 |
| Riddell | interesting | 01:14 |
| Riddell | which apps? | 01:14 |
| viviersf | erm | 01:14 |
| viviersf | it ripps applets out of kicker | 01:14 |
| viviersf | they appear as windows | 01:14 |
| viviersf | but their skrewd | 01:15 |
| Riddell | curious | 01:15 |
| viviersf | and kaffeine doesnt start | 01:15 |
| Riddell | some funky window manager talking problems going on there | 01:15 |
| viviersf | ag no | 01:15 |
| Riddell | how about kmplayer? | 01:15 |
| viviersf | i havnt tried | 01:15 |
| viviersf | xine-ui shows up with distortion in the images | 01:15 |
| viviersf | i decided to rather turn it off | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | some of that is just xgl stuff | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | viviersf: this with the ubuntu packages on dapper? | 01:16 |
| viviersf | yeh ajmitch | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | no wonder you're having issues | 01:16 |
| viviersf | lol | 01:16 |
| viviersf | :/ | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | those packages are old, barely updated from when it was first released | 01:16 |
| viviersf | erm | 01:16 |
| viviersf | you aren't serious ? | 01:17 |
| viviersf | :( | 01:17 |
| ajmitch | of course I am | 01:17 |
| viviersf | here go again | 01:17 |
| viviersf | :P | 01:17 |
| ajmitch | kde with x.org 7.1 works nicely enough on my intel-using laptop though | 01:17 |
| viviersf | *use other repos* | 01:17 |
| ajmitch | oh dear | 01:17 |
| === ajmitch waits for his system to break | ||
| Riddell | ajmitch: so no MOTU able to help keep compiz up to date? | 01:18 |
| ajmitch | Riddell: well I just updated xgl, and was looking at compiz | 01:18 |
| Riddell | you're the man ajmitch :) | 01:18 |
| ajmitch | xgl in edgy is a good improvement | 01:18 |
| viviersf | lol | 01:19 |
| viviersf | well | 01:19 |
| fritsch | Riddell: sorry for disturbing you again ;-) what about the fixed kde packages from raphink? | 01:19 |
| viviersf | im not daring enough to use edgy just yet @ ajmitch | 01:19 |
| Riddell | fritsch: I'm compiling it now for amd64, give me an hour or so | 01:19 |
| ajmitch | viviersf: come on, live on the edge | 01:19 |
| viviersf | lol | 01:19 |
| viviersf | this pc is at home | 01:19 |
| fritsch | Riddell: ty, mine is running, but the guys on #kubuntu are asking ... | 01:20 |
| viviersf | with NO internet connection | 01:20 |
| viviersf | rather not | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | heh | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | probably not a good idea then | 01:20 |
| imbrandon | ^%$^&@#$ this is driving me batty | 01:20 |
| viviersf | whats wrong imbrandon | 01:21 |
| imbrandon | fskin perl script complaing about an uninitialized but i cant find it ..... been looking 20 minutes | 01:21 |
| viviersf | lol | 01:21 |
| imbrandon | s/uninitialized/uninitialized var | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | it's perl | 01:22 |
| imbrandon | lol tell me about it, i'm just about to the point to redo it in python ( some other day ) | 01:22 |
| ajmitch | might as well | 01:23 |
| viviersf | do it | 01:23 |
| viviersf | :D | 01:23 |
| viviersf | i cant do perl | 01:23 |
| viviersf | and i dont want to | 01:23 |
| allee | imbrandon: does perl give the line of code where it happens? | 01:23 |
| viviersf | since i learned python | 01:23 |
| imbrandon | allee: yea and i'm usin carp to backtrace too | 01:24 |
| allee | imbrandon: where the script and that the error output? | 01:25 |
| imbrandon | allee: Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 391 | 01:25 |
| imbrandon | and let me push it one sec | 01:26 |
| imbrandon | allee: bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/apt-mirror/ubuntu | 01:31 |
| allee | imbrandon: bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock: transport is read only | 01:32 |
| allee | imbrandon: sorry my 1st time bzr usage. Should I use something else than 'checkout' | 01:33 |
| allee | uhm, users with problems. bbl | 01:33 |
| imbrandon | umm dunno lemme just put it on http for the moment ( i'm a new bzr user too ) | 01:33 |
| imbrandon | kk | 01:33 |
| Riddell | I think you can only branch from http | 01:35 |
| Riddell | if you have commit rights you can checkout with sftp://user@ | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | right | 01:35 |
| Riddell | for which you need python2.4-paramiko | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | yup need that for push too | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | well sftp push | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | i guess | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | allee: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/apt-mirror-0.4.4/apt-mirror is the perl script when you get back ( if it needs the other conf files they are in that dir too ) | 01:36 |
| === imbrandon cant beleave i cant find this damn thing | ||
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| danimo | Riddell: did you patch kopete? | 01:56 |
| Riddell | danimo: which? | 01:56 |
| Riddell | hobbsee did the dapper-updates and edgy fixes | 01:56 |
| danimo | Riddell: ah, cool | 01:56 |
| Riddell | although I didn't think anyone used ICQ any more | 01:57 |
| danimo | Riddell: to include the patch? | 01:57 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:57 |
| danimo | you guys are just too fast :) | 01:57 |
| viviersf | ok right no @ ajmitch 3rd party xgl is worse than dappers | 01:57 |
| ajmitch | viviersf: in what way? | 01:57 |
| viviersf | in that it gives a segment fault :p | 01:57 |
| ajmitch | excellent :) | 01:58 |
| viviersf | hehe | 01:58 |
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| Tonio_ | hey | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I haven't been available those last days | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | I leaved my appartment and it took a bit of time and now I'm leaving in vacations... | 02:10 |
| allee | imbrandon: just had a quick look at the code. You checked that $lines{"Files:"} in line 391 is defined? print "$lines{Files:}\n | 02:10 |
| allee | print "$lines{Files:}\n" if exists $lines{Files:}; | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | I'll be available arround 08/22 and full time to polish edgy | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | just to insinst I'm not leaving definitly ;) | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | hey allee | 02:11 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: going on holiday anywhere nice? | 02:11 |
| allee | hi Tonio_ | 02:11 |
| === allee wish he had also time to help with edgy full time | ||
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I was supposed to go to croatia | 02:11 |
| allee | bbl | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | but since I didn't receive my new identity papers (government's fault) I cannot leave france | 02:12 |
| Tonio_ | so I'm going in the south west | 02:12 |
| Tonio_ | allee: well I will have 6 month of full free time to work on ubuntu starting september :) | 02:12 |
| allee | Tonio_: croatio is too dangrous: Food much delicous!!! | 02:13 |
| Tonio_ | but at the moment I'm totally unavailable.... | 02:13 |
| Tonio_ | allee: that was one of the reasons I wanted to go there :) | 02:13 |
| allee | heh heh | 02:13 |
| Tonio_ | allee: in fact I'm leaving paris to go in my girlfriend's appartment | 02:13 |
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| allee | Tonio_: sounds very good too | 02:14 |
| allee | bbl | 02:14 |
| Tonio_ | but it takes time to reorganize the appartment, painting etc...... | 02:14 |
| Tonio_ | that's the reason I'm not there for a few days :) | 02:14 |
| Tonio_ | the only point is I cannot go to croatia | 02:15 |
| pygi | Tonio_, Croatia? I am in Croatia :) | 02:15 |
| pygi | where were you supposed to go? | 02:16 |
| Tonio_ | pygi: hvar | 02:16 |
| Tonio_ | but that'll now wait for the next summer, thanks to the french government | 02:17 |
| pygi | Tonio_, nice :) | 02:17 |
| pygi | it's nice there :) | 02:17 |
| omeow | qstring_to_xtp result code -2 | 02:22 |
| imbrandon | allee: woot found it , was some extra empty lines i wasent accounting for at the end of Packages.gz | 02:24 |
| imbrandon | allee: thanks | 02:24 |
| allee | imbrandon: for what? I couldn't help you ;) | 02:25 |
| imbrandon | heh well for trying ;) | 02:25 |
| allee | imbrandon: np. I was glad to see some perl code after all those python scripts *duck* | 02:26 |
| imbrandon | hahaha | 02:26 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 02:52 |
| goldenear | hi Hobbsee | 02:52 |
| === Hobbsee is still in one piece. yay. | ||
| jjesse | morning Hobbsee | 02:53 |
| jjesse | you were worried you woldn't be in one piece? | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: i went skidding down the road earlier | 02:53 |
| === Hobbsee must have been only a few cm from missing the other car. | ||
| jjesse | ah, well i'm glad you are in one piece then | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | yes. me too. | 02:54 |
| === Hobbsee forgot that it was raining, and was already running late. | ||
| jjesse | @time Detroit | 02:56 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in America/Detroit: August 03 2006, 08:56:53 | 02:56 |
| jjesse | @time GMT | 02:56 |
| jjesse | @time london | 02:57 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in Europe/London: August 03 2006, 13:57:03 | 02:57 |
| === Hobbsee waves to Riddell | ||
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| Riddell | hi Hobbsee | 02:59 |
| === Hobbsee definetly wants no other horrible and scary things tonight. | ||
| Hobbsee | sarah@sarah: sudo /etc/init.d/sanity restart | 03:00 |
| imbrandon | heh | 03:00 |
| Riddell | ** testers needed for deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354 dapper main | 03:00 |
| imbrandon | give me a few to go get my laptop and i'll install them | 03:00 |
| === Hobbsee isnt on dapper. | ||
| Riddell | thanks imbrandon | 03:00 |
| fritsch | Riddell: okay, me fetches the updates | 03:00 |
| fritsch | Riddell: though, it does not update the kdelibs packages | 03:02 |
| fritsch | Riddell: are these the same version as before? | 03:03 |
| fritsch | Riddell: yes, they are .. | 03:03 |
| Riddell | fritsch: they're the same as raphink's versions | 03:03 |
| fritsch | Riddell: okay, just for the people who had yours original installed, are not updated, too? | 03:04 |
| Riddell | they have a larger version number than the older ones | 03:04 |
| fritsch | Riddell: okay, having had installed raphink ones: Warnung: deaktualisiere kdelibs4c2a von 3.5.4-0ubuntu2 zu 3.5.4-0ubuntu2~dapper1 | 03:06 |
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| Riddell | oh, that's raphink's old ones, they're wrong | 03:07 |
| fritsch | Riddell: good, so fixed for me now, installed yours. ty very much | 03:07 |
| Lure | Riddell: will download 3.5.4 (I want my work dapper fixed - working in strange KDE for the whole day...;-)) | 03:08 |
| fritsch | Riddell: may I introduce other volunteers on #kubuntu for testing? | 03:08 |
| Riddell | fritsch: I've already asked for testing there, go ahead and point them at it | 03:08 |
| jjesse | what is the repo to add for 3.5.4? | 03:09 |
| imbrandon | deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354 dapper main | 03:09 |
| Riddell | 14:00 < Riddell> ** testers needed for deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354 dapper main | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | how odd. this must be the first lot of kde packages that i havent tested. | 03:09 |
| fritsch | Riddell: okay ;-) that made fun | 03:10 |
| === Lure cannot update as security.ubuntu.com seems to hang on apt-get update :-( | ||
| Hobbsee | Lure: apparently it's slow | 03:10 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: interesting, as archive.ubuntu.com is OK... | 03:10 |
| Riddell | you don't need security :) | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | security's overrated. | 03:10 |
| Lure | Riddell: will comment it out... | 03:10 |
| === Hobbsee was telling someone how it was safe enough to use online banking today. | ||
| Lure | ;-) | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | instead of carrying around large amounts of cash. | 03:11 |
| imbrandon | afaik http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-security/ is the same thing anyhow | 03:11 |
| jjesse | hmmm security is running slow for me as well | 03:12 |
| imbrandon | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security | 03:12 |
| imbrandon | ^^ same thing from archive. | 03:13 |
| imbrandon | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse | 03:13 |
| imbrandon | rather | 03:13 |
| imbrandon | kk Riddell downloading now ( eta 7 minutes ) | 03:15 |
| imbrandon | woot | 03:15 |
| === Lure is waiting for a.u.c download at 1210 Bytes/sec (good old modem days) :-( | ||
| imbrandon | ouch | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:18 |
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| fritsch | Riddell: are you running kde 3.5.4 edgy at the moment? | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | fritsch: i am | 03:20 |
| imbrandon | i am | 03:20 |
| imbrandon | also | 03:20 |
| fritsch | Riddell: what happens, if you do: SystemSettings ->Region and Country Settings ->Shortcuts | 03:20 |
| fritsch | ->Command Shortcuts | 03:21 |
| fritsch | sorry for the bad translation | 03:21 |
| fritsch | can you find this? | 03:21 |
| imbrandon | fritsch: i'm there now, whats up? | 03:21 |
| fritsch | have you clicked the things i said? | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | fritsch: yep. then what? | 03:22 |
| imbrandon | yes | 03:22 |
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| fritsch | SystemSettings -> Region and Country Settings, then the second from down | 03:22 |
| imbrandon | yes fritsch its on my screen now, what next ? | 03:23 |
| fritsch | then the second button unter current scheme | 03:23 |
| imbrandon | ok ? | 03:23 |
| fritsch | no crash? | 03:23 |
| imbrandon | nope | 03:23 |
| imbrandon | works fine for me | 03:23 |
| fritsch | here on dapper at least for two users this happens | 03:23 |
| fritsch | imbrandon: | 03:24 |
| imbrandon | my dapper is updating as we speak | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | no crash here either | 03:24 |
| imbrandon | i'll try it on dapper | 03:24 |
| fritsch | version 3.5.4? | 03:24 |
| imbrandon | when it gets done | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | Sysinfo for 'sarah': Linux 2.6.17-5-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz at 2394 MHz (4793 bogomips), HD: 9/22GB, RAM: 590/995MB, 104 proc's, 35.12min up | 03:24 |
| imbrandon | yes 3.5.4 edgy | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | fritsch: yep | 03:24 |
| imbrandon | Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.17-5-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), , RAM: 721/1003MB, 107 proc's, 10.8h up | 03:24 |
| fritsch | imbrandon: can i start it with LANG=en_US control-center? | 03:24 |
| imbrandon | probably | 03:25 |
| fritsch | mmh again german | 03:25 |
| imbrandon | kcontrol | 03:26 |
| fritsch | imbrandon: LANG=en_US kcontrol | 03:26 |
| fritsch | this does not work | 03:26 |
| fritsch | but wait! | 03:27 |
| fritsch | if i start it in this way, there is no crahs? | 03:27 |
| fritsch | sth. langauge dependant? | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | are you starting system settings, or kcontrol, the first time? | 03:28 |
| fritsch | systemsettings the first time? | 03:29 |
| fritsch | Hobbsee: not the same, or? | 03:29 |
| fritsch | Hobbsee: looks differnt *g* | 03:29 |
| Hobbsee | fritsch: ie, the crashing one, was that system settings, or kcontrol? | 03:29 |
| fritsch | system settings | 03:29 |
| Hobbsee | what happens if you just run "kcontrol"? | 03:29 |
| fritsch | Hobbsee: it works | 03:29 |
| Hobbsee | fritsch: looks like a bug in system settings then. | 03:30 |
| danimo | wb Hobbsee | 03:30 |
| fritsch | okay | 03:30 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: thanks for the kopete fix | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | hi danimo. i'm still alive and in one piece | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: the one from a few days ago? not a problem. | 03:30 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: not from today? | 03:30 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: my connection broke just today | 03:30 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: I was surprised to see that it broke for others a lot earlier already | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: i didnt change anything today on it. | 03:31 |
| === Hobbsee hasnt uploaded anything to main in a couple of days. | ||
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| fritsch | Hobbsee: regional&accessibillity -> keyboard shortcuts -> tab command shortcuts => crash | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | fritsch: no crash. | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | in edgy | 03:35 |
| DaSkreech | Tab command shortcuts? | 03:36 |
| DaSkreech | as in tab to command shortcuts? | 03:36 |
| fritsch | yes | 03:36 |
| Hobbsee | it's listed as command shortcuts | 03:36 |
| fritsch | yes, sorry no english version here | 03:36 |
| === Hobbsee still thinks that system settings is buggy and should be forgotten about. | ||
| DaSkreech | No crash | 03:37 |
| DaSkreech | Dapper | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | it should be better with Sime's changes though | 03:37 |
| fritsch | DaSkreech: what langauge? | 03:37 |
| DaSkreech | Erm | 03:37 |
| DaSkreech | English | 03:37 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: I think that it is buggy but is stable enough to use as long as some obvious user and UI issues get sorted out | 03:38 |
| fritsch | mmh, 1 en_US 2 de_DE get a crash, one en_US not | 03:38 |
| DaSkreech | Like being able to navigate by keyboard :-P | 03:38 |
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| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: well, true. | 03:38 |
| DaSkreech | Hi nixternal_ | 03:38 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: it needs someone to really go thru it and fix all the bugs. you volunteering? | 03:40 |
| DaSkreech | I was looking for a place to file bugs on launchpad | 03:40 |
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| DaSkreech | No one is claiming it as their child? | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: there's definetly a place - use the LP link in the topic | 03:41 |
| DaSkreech | Ok | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: i'm not sure, i think Riddell was going to look at it, but you're likely welcome to | 03:41 |
| bddebian | Heya | 03:42 |
| Hobbsee | 144K of karma. i swear that keeps going up. | 03:42 |
| Hobbsee | hi bddebian | 03:42 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: SVN? | 03:42 |
| bddebian | Hi Hobbsee | 03:42 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: i think he was goign to take from svn. ask | 03:42 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: Ping | 03:43 |
| Riddell | hi | 03:46 |
| DaSkreech | Hello you maintain the systems settings panel? | 03:47 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: well, werent you going to look at it? | 03:47 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: at what? | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: system settings, see above | 03:49 |
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| imbrandon | Riddell: woot, kde 3.5.4 on dapper is now kubuntu-ish | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | everything seems ok so far | 03:50 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: great, thanks | 03:51 |
| Riddell | fritsch: yes, confirmed | 03:51 |
| DaSkreech | Woah What happened? 17 updates? In a night | 03:51 |
| Riddell | fritsch: get a backtrace and send a bug report | 03:51 |
| fritsch | Riddell: i am just waiting for the report of "jott" ... | 03:52 |
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| fritsch | Riddell: no backtrace possible, after a reboot nothing happens anymore, but jott is still experiencing this crash, i asked him to fill a bug | 03:55 |
| Riddell | but other than that crash we should be good to go with 3.4.5? | 03:57 |
| Riddell | 3.5.4 rather | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you're writing new releases now??? | 03:58 |
| fritsch | Riddell: working fine since yesterday | 03:58 |
| fritsch | Riddell: I think the crash was not restarting kdm, after your kdebase updates from this morning | 03:58 |
| hunger | Riddell: I have had no problems with kde 3.5.4 but for that artsd issue. | 03:58 |
| hunger | Riddell: And that is fixed. | 03:59 |
| Riddell | hunger: you're just lucky :) | 03:59 |
| hunger | Riddell: And I could already snear at my SuSE using collegues because my kdevelop has features not yet in their old and outdated version;-) | 04:00 |
| Riddell | suse also has packages for 3.5.4 | 04:00 |
| hunger | Riddell: Yep, but my collegues do not;-) | 04:00 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if anyone actually merged kdevelop3 | ||
| hunger | Hobbsee: It is called kdevelop now. | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: right, yep | 04:02 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: kdevelop3 should be synced yes | 04:02 |
| === hunger would not mind getting kdevelop3.4 :-) | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right. i just saw it on the merges list a while ago | 04:03 |
| hunger | Or basket 0.6... when I am already at requesting beta software,-) | 04:03 |
| === imbrandon wants a legit mya | ||
| Hobbsee | hunger: what's the status of basket? stable beta or what? | 04:04 |
| imbrandon | but i dont have the k it costs | 04:04 |
| imbrandon | heh | 04:04 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: From what I read it is beta2. | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: how stable is it? | 04:04 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: THe screenshats look nice, have not tried it myself. | 04:05 |
| DaSkreech | Well I grabeed it yesterday | 04:05 |
| DaSkreech | Haven't done much but it seems to work as stated | 04:05 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: I managed to live without a basket, I will survive till ubuntu ships it;-) | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: heh. it's not here now | 04:05 |
| === Hobbsee thought it was | ||
| Hobbsee | !info basket edgy | 04:05 |
| ubotu | basket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB | 04:05 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: There is the current stable version... but that does not sport so many different colors;-) | 04:06 |
| === DaSkreech forgets does knotes ship by default or did I install that? | ||
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: not shipped by....no...wait... | 04:06 |
| DaSkreech | lol | 04:06 |
| imbrandon | it is | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: it's in k-d | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | so it is | 04:06 |
| DaSkreech | I'm not sure how to take that answer :) | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | it's kalarm that isnt | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | nor kcalc ;( | 04:07 |
| DaSkreech | Hmm never used kalarm | 04:07 |
| === Hobbsee used "show kubuntu-desktop | grep knotes" | ||
| DaSkreech | Bah who uses that | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: speedcrunch | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | bah | 04:07 |
| DaSkreech | Katapult is all I need baby :) | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | lol | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | my mom for one, she wouldent use linux unless it had a calc that looked like windows calc, dont ask !! | 04:08 |
| === hunger does not like katapult. | ||
| imbrandon | lol | 04:08 |
| fritsch | imbrandon: suggest her "xcalc" | 04:08 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: On what basis? | 04:08 |
| fritsch | imbrandon: :-) | 04:08 |
| imbrandon | i've used katapult a whole 3 times | 04:08 |
| === hunger misses kcalc, too. | ||
| Hobbsee | mmm...katapult | 04:08 |
| === Hobbsee uses katapult a lot | ||
| DaSkreech | Oh yeah I through a tantrum anytime it doesn't start | 04:08 |
| imbrandon | i just use what ever konsole i'm in atm | 04:09 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: Is System settings in SVN? | 04:09 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: Too many colors, too overblown for a app starter, useless as a calculator. | 04:09 |
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| DaSkreech | Too many colours that's a funny thing to throw at a KDE app :) | 04:09 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: And of course: I am used to run the kde start thingy. | 04:09 |
| DaSkreech | How is it overblown? | 04:10 |
| DaSkreech | I'm not trying to convince you to use it I'm just polling :) | 04:11 |
| goldenear | Riddell: I'm ugrading from KDE 3.5.3 to 3.5.4 (dapper) : Why does it need to install xmms and libtkg1.2 ? | 04:13 |
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| Lure | Riddell: new 3.5.4 got kubuntu look, but kicker is still screwed up: only has the stuff I added after initiial install - two icons and Storage media applet | 04:16 |
| Lure | no desktops, time/date, K-menu... | 04:17 |
| Lure | and Kontact also does not have Kubuntu defaults by Tonio (unread mail in () after folder name)... | 04:17 |
| Lure | I suspect this is probably side effect of having broken 3.5.4 running for some time... | 04:18 |
| === DaSkreech pokes hunger | ||
| DaSkreech | Speaking of that I should have breakfast | 04:19 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 04:19 |
| Hobbsee | food's overrated. i should know :P | 04:19 |
| Riddell | Lure: killall kicker; rm ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc; kicker | 04:19 |
| Riddell | goldenear: dunno, look at rdepends | 04:20 |
| DaSkreech | tell me about it but the boss bought breakfast for the company today :) So I partake | 04:20 |
| Lure | Riddell: yep, got the default one back... | 04:20 |
| Riddell | Lure: phew | 04:20 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: Is the code for system Settings in SVN? | 04:20 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: yes | 04:21 |
| Riddell | in playground | 04:21 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 04:21 |
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : 3.5.4 is working in dapper :) | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates | Buglist at https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: did i tell you that artsd got fixed last night in edgy? | 04:21 |
| goldenear | Riddell: kopete depends on xmms !!! | 04:22 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: someone did, could well have been you | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | !info kmenuedit edgy | 04:22 |
| ubotu | kmenuedit: menu editor for KDE. In repository main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 368 kB, installed size 988 kB | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: likely | 04:22 |
| Riddell | goldenear: how devious of it | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | goldenear: i'm sure as hell that it doesnt. | 04:22 |
| goldenear | superkaramba depends on it too :/ | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | goldenear: apt-cache policy kopete, please? | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | goldenear: or are you still on 0.11? | 04:23 |
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| === Hobbsee took the xmms-dev b-d *out* of kopete | ||
| goldenear | at least that what apt-cache rdepends xmms gives me | 04:23 |
| goldenear | I'm using kopete 0.12 | 04:23 |
| fabo | Hobbsee: you pinged me some hours ago ... | 04:24 |
| goldenear | and apt wants to install 0.12.1 | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | fabo: heya! what's the status of ksynaptics now? | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | goldenear: dapper, i take it? | 04:25 |
| fabo | Hobbsee: nothing new atm https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libsynaptics/+bug/54934 | 04:26 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54934 in libsynaptics "[Edgy MoM] Please sync libsynaptics 0.14.6b-1 from sid" [Untriaged,Confirmed] | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | fabo: yep. that's libsynaptics? i thought there was a new ksynaptics? | 04:27 |
| === Hobbsee is subscribed to that bug anyway, iirc | ||
| fabo | libsynaptics resolves the ksynaptics bug | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | fabo: ahhh...right. i thought we were having a new version of both. | 04:27 |
| fabo | ksynaptics 0.3.2 was delayed | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | goldenear: yeah, can you /query me apt-cache policy kopete please? i'm not sure what's happened there | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | goldenear: that should be fixed in my latest packages of them | 04:29 |
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| goldenear | Hobbsee: I paste it to you in pv :) | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | goldenear: cool :) | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: which sources did you use for making the 3.5.4 kopete 0.12.1 packages? | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: did you use my current edgy ones, or what? | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: or did you use the old dapper sources that the 4 people did? | 04:32 |
| fritsch | Riddell: could you delete or change the Readme file, this stops users from upgrading? | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | fritsch: what readme | 04:38 |
| fritsch | http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/README | 04:38 |
| fritsch | this one, not more current, fixed yesterday | 04:38 |
| DaSkreech | System settings doesn't use Malone as the Bug tracker? | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: it does | 04:45 |
| DaSkreech | Well I jsut tried to file a bug (it only has one) and it told me I can't | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs-search?field.distribution=ubuntu&field.sourcepackagename=kde-systemsettings&search=Search | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: it's under kde-systemsettings | 04:46 |
| DaSkreech | Hmm I went to products and klicking on KDE ssystem settings redirects me to kcontrol | 04:47 |
| imbrandon | kde != kubuntu | 04:47 |
| omeow | alt & ctrl + print don't work anymore | 04:47 |
| omeow | (more keyboard issues?) | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: i went via the link in teh topic | 04:48 |
| DaSkreech | Well yeah I know that | 04:48 |
| DaSkreech | Ah ok Under Distributions :) | 04:49 |
| goldenear | <imbrandon> kde != kubuntu <-- but kubuntu mostly is KDE :) | 04:50 |
| imbrandon | goldenear: yea but the product on LP | 04:50 |
| imbrandon | is what he clicked, products != packages | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | oh darn ti. | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | *it | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: want to sponsor an upload for me, in a bit? | 04:51 |
| imbrandon | the KDE product has its own bug tracker not malone | 04:51 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: ok | 04:51 |
| imbrandon | is what i'm getting at | 04:51 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah Still trying to figure out Launchpad | 04:52 |
| DaSkreech | I think I've got People :) | 04:52 |
| omeow | Does alt or ctrl+printscrn work for anyone else? | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: thanks :) | 04:52 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I used the current edgy package for kopete, but it was done in a chroot that might have had xmms installed previously | 04:52 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right...because xmms isnt listed as a build dep for edgy packages for a while... | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | iirc | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | and the --without-xmms is passed | 04:53 |
| goldenear | imbrandon: then Launchpad should only be used for the kubuntu base packages (the ones common with ubuntu) | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | iirc | 04:53 |
| imbrandon | goldenear: no not at all | 04:53 |
| imbrandon | you seeing it wrong | 04:53 |
| imbrandon | products != packages | 04:53 |
| imbrandon | brb | 04:53 |
| goldenear | kde specific bugs should be repported with the kde bug repport tool imho | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: if i'm just adding a .pot patch, with debhelper, do i need the stuff on reading the debian/patches dir? | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: seeing as there's other bits to add anyway? | 04:55 |
| === Hobbsee cant remember | ||
| Riddell | Hobbsee: it needs some way to read the patches | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right | 04:55 |
| Riddell | if it's a debhelper rules file that needs to be in the file | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: which is "that"? | 04:56 |
| Riddell | the patch bits | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right. remember which section? | 04:57 |
| === Hobbsee has managed to confuse herself again | ||
| Hobbsee | can i stick it anywhere before install, and it still be read? | 04:57 |
| Riddell | patching should be done before configure | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | oh, wait, i think i found it | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do you happen to have a copy of http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/files/kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff somewhere handy? | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | seems that that link is down (grumble) | 04:58 |
| Riddell | any KDE package will have it | 05:00 |
| Riddell | usually in debian/patches/common | 05:00 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt seem to have any locally, she thinks | ||
| Hobbsee | if you could copy that to your kubuntu.org server with the rest of the patches, that'd be helpful | 05:01 |
| Hobbsee | oh, here it is | 05:01 |
| omeow | Do the alt+printscrn or ctrl+printscrn shortcuts work for any of you? (It should start ksnapshot in different modes, window and desktop mode respectively) | 05:02 |
| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: thanks :) | 05:02 |
| Riddell | omeow: printscreen does | 05:02 |
| omeow | I know, but the other two shortcuts don't. | 05:03 |
| omeow | I'm not quite sure how ksnapshot is started by pressing printscrn, since the application ksnapshot doesn't have a shortcut, and other than window & desktop screenshot, there don't seem to be any other shortcuts regarding this. | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: is there one in kcontrol/system settings about it? | 05:06 |
| omeow | No. | 05:06 |
| omeow | And it looks like both those screenshot options don't work at all, not even when I change the shortcuts to single keys. | 05:06 |
| Hobbsee | woo! debian accepted my patch. | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do i want to bother getting a main package synced, if the only change is mine, that i made in ubuntu first? i'm thinking not. | 05:07 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: is there a newer version in debian? | 05:08 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: only with my fix in it | 05:08 |
| Hobbsee | eh, and a lintian overwrite thing in it | 05:08 |
| Hobbsee | ie, only a -3ubuntu1 to a -4 changes | 05:08 |
| Hobbsee | -s | 05:08 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: generally it's not worth doing syncing mid-cycle unless there's a reason | 05:08 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: good, that's what i thought :) | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | +libdvdread (0.9.6-4) unstable; urgency=low | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | + | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | + * Made install-css.sh executable as suggested by | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | + Sarah Hobbs <hobbsee@ubuntu.com>. | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 05:09 |
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| omeow | bko is nice and slow again... :) | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | OculusAquilae! argh! | 05:11 |
| === Hobbsee thought she recognised the name. | ||
| nixternal | woohoo kde 3.5.4 ;) | 05:12 |
| nixternal | hiya kubuntueros ;) | 05:12 |
| Hobbsee | hi nixternal | 05:13 |
| nixternal | hiya Hobbsee | 05:13 |
| Riddell | and kubuntueras | 05:14 |
| === Hobbsee wonders what a kubuntuera is | ||
| nixternal | hehe...hiya Riddell ;) | 05:15 |
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| Riddell | a female kubuntuero | 05:15 |
| nixternal | hiya imbrandon! | 05:15 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ahhh...right | 05:15 |
| nixternal | yup | 05:15 |
| === Hobbsee curtseys, and twirls in her skirt. | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: pastebin of the debdiff? | 05:15 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19605 - thanks! | 05:16 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: or do you want me to bug someone else to upload it? | 05:17 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: I'll do it, looks good | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: :) | 05:17 |
| Riddell | Sime: I can't get systemsettings to show the advanced/general buttons in the toolbar | 05:20 |
| imbrandon | [10:15] <Riddell> a female kubuntuero <--- a wha ?? | 05:22 |
| imbrandon | lol | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | makes me think of spain, for some reason. | 05:22 |
| imbrandon | heh | 05:23 |
| imbrandon | i'm have to save the log of the skirt twist ;) thats classic hehe | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 05:23 |
| === Hobbsee rarely wears skirts, for the record. | ||
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: dont feel bad, i rarely wear them either ;P | 05:24 |
| DaSkreech | Does anyone? | 05:24 |
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| imbrandon | DaSkreech: my {ex-}wife does almost 100% of the time | 05:24 |
| DaSkreech | Woah. Where does she live? | 05:25 |
| imbrandon | heh reno nv | 05:25 |
| DaSkreech | What? | 05:25 |
| DaSkreech | That's insane | 05:25 |
| imbrandon | howso ? | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: hah | 05:26 |
| DaSkreech | They are like parachutes for heat. | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: i used to. school uniform. very impractical though | 05:26 |
| toma | ola | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | (picture hobbsee climbing under stages, jumping down stairs, etc) | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | [09:59] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: you done with voyager for the night? if so i'm gonna set it into backup mode | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yep | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | kk | 05:26 |
| === Hobbsee hasnt used it in a day or so, actually | ||
| imbrandon | hehe just makin sure | 05:26 |
| omeow | Riddell, filed as http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131789 | 05:27 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 131789 in general "window/desktop screenshot global shortcutkeys do not work" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 05:27 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: :) yeah, i've seen enoguh of "this system is going for REBOOT NOW! disconnecting" | 05:27 |
| DaSkreech | Course Jamaica is pretty hot and tempting for young uns so skirts don't stay on for very long anyway :) | 05:27 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: LOL | 05:28 |
| imbrandon | told ya the VM was better ;) | 05:28 |
| DaSkreech | Xen! FTW! | 05:28 |
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| Hobbsee | imbrandon: hey now - i havent seen it throw gcc errors yet | 05:28 |
| mhb | good afternoon | 05:28 |
| imbrandon | anyhow i should be getting a dedicated build box soon | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not complaining! | 05:28 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | hi mhb | 05:29 |
| imbrandon | 'ello and gnight | 05:29 |
| === imbrandon is off to nap | ||
| Hobbsee | night imbrandon | 05:30 |
| Hobbsee | mmm...sleep | 05:30 |
| mhb | goodnight | 05:30 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt want to think about the lecture she'll get later | ||
| Riddell | Sime: ah hah, it was installing to /usr/etc, my fault | 05:30 |
| Riddell | Sime: looking lovely | 05:30 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: What's the time by you now? | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | @time sydney | 05:31 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in Australia/Sydney: August 04 2006, 01:31:16 | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: ^ | 05:31 |
| DaSkreech | Ah Not that late then | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | /usr/etc...interesting | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: class starts at 10 | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | although, i technically wont have to come home for another 36 hours or so... | 05:31 |
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| Lure | omeow: I think prtscrn is assigned by k-d-s with khotkeys | 05:32 |
| Lure | omeow: this was done by Tonio_ for dapper | 05:32 |
| omeow | k-d-s is a person? | 05:33 |
| imbrandon | kubuntu-default-setting package | 05:34 |
| Lure | Riddell: Command Shortcuts in Reginal setting crashes System settings (KDE 3.5.4 on dapper) | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: heh. k-d-s is a very interesting nick for a person :P | 05:34 |
| Lure | Riddell: I think someone reported something similar earlier... | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: someone else mentioned that earlier | 05:34 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: :o) | 05:35 |
| DaSkreech | So it should have two more for Ctrl/Alt +PtrScrn? | 05:35 |
| Riddell | Lure: they did | 05:35 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I think k-d-s is a name for an evil gnome doing bad stuff somewhere in KDE 3.5.4 :o) | 05:36 |
| Lure | DaSkreech: not sure if possible as this is only for starting app. What are Ctrl/Alt supposed to do (in that other OS)? | 05:36 |
| omeow | DaSkreech, well it's listed in the global shortcuts list under miscellaneous. | 05:36 |
| DaSkreech | Lure: Listen to omeow :) | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: heh. no...they just make app names too long, so they get shortened. happens for l-k-h too | 05:36 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: The sad thing is: I know. :o) | 05:36 |
| imbrandon | l-r-m | 05:37 |
| DaSkreech | My fav is i18n :-) | 05:37 |
| lnxkde | :P | 05:38 |
| imbrandon | wth does that stand for anyhow, i know its the itnl stuff but .... | 05:38 |
| lnxkde | are the KDE 3.5.4 bugs too bad?? | 05:38 |
| toma | imbrandon: l10n | 05:39 |
| imbrandon | lnxkde: nope the majopr ones been worked out it seems | 05:39 |
| lnxkde | nice | 05:39 |
| lnxkde | time to update then | 05:39 |
| lnxkde | how loves RIddell ? | 05:40 |
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| DaSkreech | imbrandon: internationalization | 05:40 |
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| imbrandon | ahh found it L10n, Acronym for "localization" ("L" + 10 letters + "n"; upper case L is used to distinguish it from the numeral 1 (one)) | 05:42 |
| imbrandon | anyhow , gnight | 05:42 |
| DaSkreech | Night get some nap time | 05:42 |
| mhb | imbrandon: it's still used with the lowercase "l" | 05:43 |
| mhb | imbrandon: good night | 05:43 |
| lnxkde | imbrandon, bye | 05:43 |
| lnxkde | imbrandon, thankx good night | 05:43 |
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| lnxkde | DaSkreech, I love you too dont be jelous | 05:43 |
| DaSkreech | I know you got love for me :) | 05:44 |
| lnxkde | :p | 05:45 |
| DaSkreech | See? | 05:45 |
| lnxkde | DaSkreech lol | 05:45 |
| lnxkde | DaSkreech did you update? | 05:45 |
| DaSkreech | to new KDe? | 05:45 |
| lnxkde | yep | 05:45 |
| DaSkreech | Nope | 05:45 |
| DaSkreech | Busy at work on three projects and looking at svn for system settings | 05:45 |
| lnxkde | I see | 05:46 |
| lnxkde | DaSkreech, work then ! | 05:47 |
| lnxkde | stop IRC! | 05:47 |
| DaSkreech | Neva!! | 05:47 |
| DaSkreech | Some of my work involves IRCing :) | 05:47 |
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| toma | Riddell: translate this application gives a Traceback and no user visible output for non-existing applications | 05:49 |
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| toma | o nm, it completely doesn't work | 05:50 |
| DaSkreech | PLus I'm arguing in the bash channel | 05:50 |
| lnxkde | DaSkreech, yes mine too I may some day do a insurance and mutal fund sell in the IRC | 05:50 |
| lnxkde | :p | 05:50 |
| Riddell | toma: cool :) | 05:50 |
| Riddell | toma: try it with launchpad-integration installed | 05:50 |
| DaSkreech | With bots :) | 05:50 |
| toma | Riddell: oki | 05:50 |
| DaSkreech | !life insurance 96 y/o | 05:51 |
| ubotu | I know nothing about life insurance 96 y/o - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu | 05:51 |
| toma | Riddell: no difference, maybe i need edgy for that? | 05:54 |
| lnxkde | DaSkreech, you pay 96 monthly? | 05:54 |
| Riddell | toma: does it still crash? | 05:54 |
| toma | yes | 05:54 |
| lnxkde | my net connection is dead today.. | 05:55 |
| lnxkde | It is downloading at 7k.... | 05:55 |
| Riddell | hmm, works for me in dapper | 05:55 |
| lnxkde | when It soppose to download at 56k | 05:55 |
| Hobbsee | bedtime. night all. | 05:55 |
| lnxkde | Hobbsee, bye | 05:55 |
| lnxkde | :) | 05:55 |
| DaSkreech | Nope Life insurance for a 96 year old :) | 05:55 |
| toma | i installed launchpad-dependencies and liblaunchpad-integration0 was already installed | 05:55 |
| Riddell | night Hobbsee | 05:55 |
| DaSkreech | Night Hobbsee | 05:55 |
| toma | night Hobbsee | 05:55 |
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| Riddell | any other dapper users have problems with Get Help Online? | 05:55 |
| lnxkde | Hobbsee, night | 05:55 |
| DaSkreech | Though you are probably going to be here in 15 minutes :) | 05:56 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: heh, probably | 05:56 |
| toma | is there a way to disable that menu item? | 05:56 |
| lnxkde | DaSkreech lol noone will insure someone of 96 years olld last age is 69 :p | 05:56 |
| Riddell | toma: no, you'd need to recompiled kdelibs | 05:57 |
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| lnxkde | Riddell when you think we will see KDE4 snv packages for edgy? | 05:58 |
| Riddell | lnxkde: when someone makes them | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | lnxkde: edgy+1 | 05:59 |
| lnxkde | :P but they are going to be in edgy repos? | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | lnxkde: edgy+2, likely in repos | 05:59 |
| === Hobbsee got bored a while ago, and looked up the schedule | ||
| lnxkde | ok | 06:00 |
| toma | Riddell: so i have to construct my own help menu? | 06:00 |
| Hobbsee | and yes, i'm going to bed - i'm chucking the rubbish off my bed at the moment - it seemed to grow during the day. | 06:00 |
| lnxkde | Hobbsee, lol | 06:00 |
| Hobbsee | and i wasnt here, so i'm not sure how! | 06:00 |
| Riddell | toma: or just not click on those two items. you have the other menu items no? | 06:01 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: Don't water it!! | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: haha | 06:03 |
| DaSkreech | Ok I just killed all the sound in my computer from command line mplayer somehow | 06:03 |
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| toma | Riddell: yes, but since I have serious problems with this feature, I will think what I will do. | 06:05 |
| DaSkreech | Ah! What on earth? | 06:05 |
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| toma | Riddell: does it lead straight to Rosetta? Or is there an explanation? | 06:22 |
| Riddell | toma: it just brings up a web browser at rosetta | 06:23 |
| toma | Riddell: sorry for being a pita, but are the comments from the kde people going to be ignored? I mean is this final? | 06:24 |
| Riddell | toma: this has been planned for a long time, removing would probably mean getting approval from Mark Shuttleworth | 06:26 |
| toma | that means the comments of kde have gone to dev null. | 06:27 |
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| jjesse | join #ubuntu-bugs | 06:28 |
| Riddell | toma: I wouldn't say that, I've passed all the comments onto the rosetta developers and they've responded with comments | 06:28 |
| Riddell | toma: I'm sure I remember you saying that adding a menu item wasn't any worse than replacing the k-menu with a suse logo | 06:29 |
| Riddell | toma: but it would be good to collect the points from the kde-i18n-doc rosetta discussion on a wiki page so we could discuss them in a BoF at akademy | 06:29 |
| Riddell | jjesse: do you have a script which does that? | 06:29 |
| toma | are the comments located in a br? | 06:30 |
| Riddell | in a bug report? not that I know of | 06:31 |
| toma | the comments of rosetta developers | 06:31 |
| Riddell | no | 06:31 |
| toma | not public? | 06:31 |
| Riddell | mostly me talking to carlos on #ubuntu-devel | 06:31 |
| toma | i wont deny that i said that, but the way it works now, is not friendly to kde transalators | 06:33 |
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| Riddell | toma: it's not my favourite feature either (especially since Get Help Online does pretty well nothing useful) | 06:36 |
| Riddell | I could change it to Translate this Application for Kubuntu | 06:37 |
| Riddell | but much more would need to be discussed with Mark, are you coming to akademy? | 06:37 |
| jjesse | hmmm small problem: i upgraded to kde3.5.4 toda and now can't an ip address on my virtual machine | 06:38 |
| Riddell | jjesse: using what? | 06:38 |
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| jjesse | Riddell: i have a virutal machine that i upgraded to the kde 3.5.4 repos today and now i don't have an ip address | 06:38 |
| toma | Riddell: No, i'm not so good in big groups. | 06:39 |
| jjesse | only ip address is the loopback | 06:39 |
| DaSkreech | Anychance of someone talking to edubuntu devs about not ripping out KDE apps? | 06:39 |
| Riddell | jjesse: can get an ip address using which toojl? | 06:40 |
| Riddell | can't | 06:40 |
| Riddell | toma: if you were able to make a wiki page with all the problems kde people have with rosetta that would be cool | 06:41 |
| jjesse | Riddell: i couldn't get access from my VM to my host machie, an ifconfig only shows lo configured and a standard sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0 to get dhcp address doesnt' work | 06:44 |
| jjesse | eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device | 06:45 |
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| jjesse | i've double checked my configs on the vm and nothng has changed since i've upgraded kde | 06:50 |
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| Riddell | there's also nothing in kde that could change your network like that | 06:52 |
| jjesse | i agree that's what i'm trying to figure out | 06:52 |
| Riddell | all a bit spooky | 06:52 |
| jjesse | agreeed | 06:53 |
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| Riddell | dapper users: rocking new system settings http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde-systemsettings_0.0svn20060803-0ubuntu1_i386.deb | 07:04 |
| Riddell | now compiling in edgy | 07:04 |
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| allee | Riddell: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/desktop-directories/kde-settings-accessibility.directory' (Dapper kde 3.5.2) | 07:16 |
| allee | , which is also in package kdebase-data | 07:16 |
| Riddell | allee: humbug | 07:16 |
| allee | :) | 07:16 |
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| rouzic | Thanks :D | 07:27 |
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| omeow | Riddell, rofl @ the outcome of http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131789 | 07:33 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 131789 in general "window/desktop screenshot global shortcutkeys do not work" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme] | 07:34 |
| omeow | Maybe it's just me, but I think it's ironic, first they include the utility ksnapshot to make screenshots, then they include shortcuts that copy screenshots to the clipboard. While I expected ksnapshot to start up in the various screenshot modes. | 07:35 |
| Riddell | omeow: that explains it :) | 07:35 |
| omeow | Yeah, it does. | 07:35 |
| omeow | consistant with windows, but inconsistant with how you usually make a screenshot in kde. (and you're used to doing it like that. =P) | 07:36 |
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| el | hi | 07:42 |
| el | Riddell, http://ellen.reitmayr.net/downloads/systemsettings_el.png | 07:42 |
| omeow | hah! | 07:42 |
| omeow | I was just saying that to Sho_ | 07:42 |
| omeow | Oh wait, keyboard shortcuts are still under regional & accessibility. | 07:43 |
| Riddell | el: try running kbuildsycoca and running systemsettings from the command line | 07:44 |
| omeow | I don't quite understand why they are. I suggest putting them in tabs under hardware => keyboard | 07:45 |
| el | Riddell, now it looks as it should - thanks, Riddell | 07:45 |
| Riddell | phew | 07:45 |
| omeow | Where'd hardware go? | 07:45 |
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| el | omeow, this is how it should be: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/systemsettings.png | 07:46 |
| omeow | Looks better, but I still think keyboard (and other) shorcuts should be under keyboard or in their own module. | 07:47 |
| omeow | Or is it now? | 07:48 |
| el | omeow, keyboard shortcuts are under keyboard | 07:49 |
| Riddell | omeow: it is now | 07:49 |
| omeow | Great. :) | 07:49 |
| omeow | I used to spend ages looking for the right module, but I could never find it. | 07:49 |
| Riddell | omeow: but keyboard layout is both a "keyboard" issue and a "regional" issue so that's always complex | 07:50 |
| el | there are some resizing problems, and the search results for advanced is not visible enough | 07:50 |
| Riddell | el: what resizing problems? | 07:51 |
| el | results for the keyboard layout were exactly 50:50 -> half of the people expected it to be under regional, the other half under keyboard | 07:51 |
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| el | yes, keyboard layout under regional doesn;t have scrollbars | 07:52 |
| omeow | funny | 07:52 |
| el | Riddell, so when the window is too small, you do not get to all contents | 07:52 |
| Riddell | el: I get a horizontal scrollbar on that | 07:52 |
| omeow | el, never got a reply to http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126473#c9 maybe you could add some meaningful reply too? :) | 07:53 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 126473 in general "KTorrent needs better/crystal like icons" [Wishlist,Resolved: wontfix] | 07:53 |
| el | Riddell, i'll go through all the dialogs tonight to see if there are more issues like that | 07:53 |
| el | omeow, ken is going to design icons for that | 07:54 |
| Riddell | el: put them at the bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSystemSettingsUsability | 07:54 |
| Sime | hi guys | 07:54 |
| el | omeow, we both agreed that the media player start/stop icons are not appropriate for download | 07:54 |
| el | hi sime! | 07:54 |
| allee | hi Sime | 07:54 |
| Riddell | ah hah, the main man | 07:54 |
| el | Sime, thanks for implementing this so fast :) | 07:55 |
| omeow | el: well, designing and them actually using them is two different things. | 07:55 |
| el | omeow, you think the ktorrent people won't use them? | 07:55 |
| omeow | luckily, kde4 will have text under icons by default. | 07:55 |
| omeow | well, I heard they might be a bit stubborn. :) | 07:56 |
| Riddell | omeow: it will? | 07:56 |
| Sime | el: are you having trouble running the new version on your machine? | 07:56 |
| Riddell | omeow: you can turn that on per application by the way, adept does it | 07:56 |
| omeow | Riddell, I heard it was going to be turned on by default yeah. | 07:56 |
| omeow | Sho told me. | 07:56 |
| el | omeow, but if they are in the regular icon set, then they should. it's in the guidelines that default icons should be used ;-) | 07:56 |
| omeow | Hmhm, i'll have to see about that. :) | 07:57 |
| el | Sime, i just once more forgot to run this kbuildsomehting | 07:57 |
| Riddell | gamin being broken :( | 07:57 |
| Sime | el: ok, it looked like you were running the wrong binary. But yeah, it was probably kbuildsysblah. | 07:58 |
| el | hehe | 07:58 |
| el | Sime, i just said to riddell that i'll go through the systemsettings tonight to look for the low hanging fruits | 07:58 |
| Sime | ok, good. Will you be looking in my stuff or the standard kde panels as well? | 07:59 |
| Riddell | would be nice to have accessibilty in this, arrow keys working et al | 07:59 |
| Sime | Riddell: systemsettings (=> s-s). s-s probably needs to have those 2 laptop modules put back in somewhere. | 08:00 |
| el | Sime, your stuff (e.g. search results for the non-active main group are too weak), but also the main panels | 08:00 |
| Riddell | Sime: I'll be removing those laptop modules tomorrow with any luck | 08:00 |
| Sime | Riddell: and there needs to be a place for dumped extra kcms that we don't know about. (3rd party) | 08:00 |
| Riddell | Sime: we won't need them in edgy since we'll use the acpi-support in kmilo | 08:01 |
| Sime | el: yeah, in s-s, and in the guidance modules. (account admin, disk admin, display and services) | 08:01 |
| Sime | Riddell: ok good. I'm just warning you. :-) I don't have much of a clue about what the laptop users need... | 08:02 |
| mornfall | hi el | 08:03 |
| el | hi mornfall | 08:03 |
| el | sent you an email earlier this week :) | 08:03 |
| mornfall | i have stalled on adept, sorry | 08:03 |
| mornfall | yes i know | 08:03 |
| mornfall | i saw you here and recalled | 08:04 |
| mornfall | there are still bits and pieces to get adept into half-releasable shape | 08:04 |
| mornfall | Riddell: what's the release plan for edgy again? | 08:04 |
| el | mornfall, did you make changes in the ui? | 08:04 |
| mornfall | i got flooded away with work, school and personal issues | 08:05 |
| el | mornfall, the filters, if i remember your blog correctly | 08:05 |
| Riddell | mornfall: feature freeze in a month https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyReleaseSchedule | 08:05 |
| mornfall | okey, month is enough to get some sort of 2.2 in | 08:05 |
| mornfall | it won't have much of the stuff from the paris specs | 08:05 |
| mornfall | but it will have something... hopefully | 08:05 |
| mornfall | for ui changes, there are icons and changed layout | 08:06 |
| mornfall | the modebar thing is not implemented right now and i don't know if there'll be enough time | 08:06 |
| mornfall | i won't work on any new features anytime soon if i want to get a stable release for edgy | 08:07 |
| el | mornfall, if you pack it for dapper, i'll have a look at your layout changes | 08:07 |
| mornfall | i'll try el | 08:08 |
| el | mornfall needs vacation! | 08:08 |
| mornfall | i don't know what i need, probably a divine intervention | 08:09 |
| el | hehe | 08:09 |
| mornfall | times are hard (yeah, times are always hard) | 08:10 |
| mornfall | it'll get better eventually... it always has | 08:10 |
| Lure | Riddell: what do you mean with "we won't need them in edgy since we'll use the acpi-support in kmilo"? | 08:13 |
| Riddell | Lure: when I get your patch uploaded | 08:14 |
| Lure | Riddell: but we would still need some laptop config (what to do on lid close...), wouldn't we? | 08:14 |
| Riddell | Lure: then we'd need a new module for that, not the current thinkpad or vaio ones | 08:15 |
| Lure | and I thought that sebas's power mgmt applet would catch lid/sleep/hibernate keys on it's own or do you expect this to be done by kmilo too? | 08:15 |
| Riddell | it should probably just get them from hal since that's the future | 08:20 |
| Riddell | so it's not a kmilo problem at all | 08:20 |
| Lure | exactly. btw, any progress on new applet? | 08:20 |
| Riddell | Lure: it's on my todo list after your kmilo stuff | 08:22 |
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| Sime | Riddell: will 3.5.4 be coming to dapper? | 08:32 |
| Sime | Riddell: forget that. | 08:32 |
| Riddell | Sime: it's available | 08:32 |
| Sime | Riddell: we're already up to Edgy, h. | 08:33 |
| Riddell | it's in edgy too | 08:33 |
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| Sime | does the media:/ stuff work better in 3.5.4? | 08:33 |
| Riddell | in which way? | 08:34 |
| Riddell | floppy disks still seem broken :( | 08:38 |
| Sime | cdrom doesn't show up as unmounted. feature?? | 08:39 |
| Riddell | how do you mean? | 08:39 |
| Riddell | cdroms mount fine | 08:40 |
| Sime | properties tab for my HDDs is very plain, and missing extra info about the disk. | 08:40 |
| Riddell | works for me | 08:40 |
| Riddell | I need to go out | 08:41 |
| Sime | ok, cdrom only shows up when there is a disk. makes some sense | 08:41 |
| Sime | no worries. | 08:41 |
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| nixternal | hiya jjesse | 09:31 |
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| jjesse | Riddell: figured out the problem w/ my network, my interface was setup as disabled and not setup to enabled upon startup | 09:40 |
| DaSkreech | mornfall: can I get a key shortcut for search? | 09:40 |
| jjesse | hiya nixternal | 09:41 |
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| DaSkreech | hello alleeEdgy32 | 10:00 |
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| alleeEdgy32 | DaSkreech: hi. any experience with a docking station and Radeon card? :) | 10:08 |
| DaSkreech | Eh? | 10:09 |
| DaSkreech | translate as no ;-) | 10:09 |
| alleeEdgy32 | DaSkreech: me too. and does not work out of the box :( | 10:09 |
| DaSkreech | What docking station? | 10:09 |
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| alleeEdgy32 | Dell D600 laptop + docking station with DVI | 10:10 |
| alleeEdgy32 | console works bug starting X gives -> TFT goes to sleep. I assume no signal, but Xorg.0.log looks fine | 10:11 |
| alleeEdgy32 | s/bug/but/ | 10:11 |
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| alleeEdgy32 | ha ha :) | 10:13 |
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| jeroenvrp | yes 3.5.4 is working in dapper :-) ~! | 11:02 |
| jeroenvrp | but, | 11:02 |
| jeroenvrp | only when I open an application under root, the fonts look antialiased | 11:03 |
| jeroenvrp | cripled that is | 11:03 |
| jeroenvrp | I checked it, but anti-aliases is on | 11:03 |
| jeroenvrp | anyone have an idea!? | 11:04 |
| allee | jeroenvrp: I had to [configure...] to the right and selected subpixel hinting | 11:04 |
| jeroenvrp | allee: ah so you had the same problem | 11:05 |
| allee | jeroenvrp: but I played before 3.5.4 upgrade with antialiasing so I was not sure it it's releated to 3.5.4 | 11:05 |
| jeroenvrp | allee: oeps | 11:05 |
| jeroenvrp | I mean the fonts look NOT anti-aliased | 11:06 |
| allee | jeroenvrp: yes. It was the same here after rebooting in 3.5.4: aliasing was on Subpixel hinting was off. | 11:06 |
| allee | subpixel subpixel hinting on gave me back the antialiasing look | 11:07 |
| jeroenvrp | allee: thanks for the hint | 11:07 |
| jeroenvrp | I disabled anti-aliasing and enabled it again, now it works | 11:08 |
| jeroenvrp | notjing to do with subhinting | 11:08 |
| jeroenvrp | whatever its calles | 11:08 |
| jeroenvrp | thats for laptops I presume | 11:08 |
| alleeEdgy32 | ah, so maybe changing subpixel hinting had just the same effect (reread real value of antialiasing) | 11:09 |
| alleeEdgy32 | jeroenvrp: yes. laptop here (Dell D600) | 11:09 |
| jeroenvrp | alleeEdgy32: yes that was what I presumed | 11:09 |
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| omeow | What does qstring_to_xtp result code -2 generally mean? | 11:49 |
| omeow | It gets printed to my console every time I switch tabs in something. | 11:49 |
| omeow | is -2 bad? | 11:49 |
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| mhb | good night (that's a greeting :o) | 11:52 |
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