[12:09] <raphink> ok rebuilding packages for i386 and ppc now
[12:09] <raphink> it'll be ready in an hour or so I guess
[12:10] <raphink> maybe a bit more for the ppc
[01:03] <allee> edubuntu still tries/hopes to replace kdeedu apps :(  (instead of replace gnome with kde and be done)
[01:05] <allee> what a waste of resources and energy
[01:06] <DaSkreech> Thats a lot of apps
[01:08] <allee> Yes.  Edubuntu is great.  but wasting resources & energy is really sad
[01:08] <crimsun> I presume you're referring to things like kalzium?
[01:09] <allee> yes. This was explicitely mentioned in the meeting
[01:10] <allee> crimsun: at LinuxTag ogra mentioned in his edubuntu talk that they plan to replace all kdeedu stuff.  Not sure for how may there are already a as-good-or-better gnome replacement exists
[01:11] <allee> crimsun: ah, tuberling misses a gnome equiv too.  Write an app instead of 10 pics (that can be copied from somewhere I'm sure). Strange
[01:12] <danimo> heya allee
[01:12] <allee> hi danimo 
[01:13] <allee> what word here 'ping'ed you :)
[01:18] <danimo> allee: nothing, I just saw you around :)
[01:19] <danimo> too much typing going on here
[01:19] <allee> danimo: I stop whining now ;)
[01:19] <allee> well, right waiting for a raid to sync is boring.
[01:19] <allee> nite
[01:20] <danimo> bye allee
[01:25] <DaSkreech> allee: night
[01:26] <DaSkreech> crimsun: That's a hefty task
[01:40] <Riddell> raphink: what progress?
[02:23] <DaSkreech> How does bash figure out mime types?
[02:31] <Riddell> it doesn't
[02:32] <DaSkreech> It does
[02:32] <crimsun> (no, it really doesn't.)
[02:32] <Riddell> it's a shell, it cares not at all for mimetypes
[02:32] <DaSkreech> fine how does the file command (Called by bash) figure out mimetypes
[02:33] <Riddell> magic
[02:33] <crimsun> through libmagic1.
[02:33] <DaSkreech> right I'm as far as /etc/mime.types
[02:33] <DaSkreech> I need to add an application to handle a mime tpye
[02:33] <DaSkreech> type
[02:34] <Riddell> I don't think it uses /etc/mime.types, but I could be wrong
[02:34] <Riddell> to handle in which way?
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Auto complete
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Ok If I figure it out I'll let you know
[02:35] <Riddell> /etc/bash_completion
[02:36] <DaSkreech> Right that's what is causing the problem :)
[02:54] <DaSkreech> I think that they only recognize x-audio
[03:21] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:22] <DaSkreech> Hi
[03:23] <bddebian> Hello DaSkreech
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Night
[04:01] <bddebian> Gnight DaSkreech
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[05:32] <Hobbsee> hi all
[06:28] <chenlevy> 3.5.4
[06:29] <chenlevy> oops sorry, ment to search of the string not comment on it
[07:06] <raphink> Riddell: http://raphink.net/ubuntu/pool/dapper/
[07:06] <raphink> there you have the packages for i386 and powerpc
[07:07] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell 
[07:07] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[07:07] <Hobbsee> hi raphink 
[07:07] <raphink> alright
[09:21] <Hobbsee> hi all
[09:28] <Riddell> morning
[09:29] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell!  you're up early!
[09:30] <Riddell> distro meeting
[09:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh!  knew i'd forgotten about something.
[09:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how far have they gotten?
[09:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and i'll need our meeting moved to being on a thursday night 2100UTC, rather than a wednesday night 2100UTC.
[09:32] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: bout half i would guess
[09:32] <Hobbsee> if you want me to be there, that is :P
[09:43] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ok, we'll change that, it's not been announced anywhere yet
[09:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry about that.
[09:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what stuff did you say in the meeting?
[09:54] <Riddell> see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DevelTeamMeeting20060803
[09:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i saw there before.  a blank section :P
[09:54] <Riddell> updated
[09:54] <Hobbsee> oh yay, here it is :)
[09:54] <Hobbsee> nice
[09:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the storms finished there yet?
[09:58] <imbrandon> no still raining like ...... ummm yea , but its calmed down a bit no more power outages i dont think
[09:58] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah nice.
[09:58] <imbrandon> sides i got the router on the ups with the computers now soo even if it does no biggie unless its out for more than ~45 minutes
[09:58] <imbrandon> or so
[09:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice.  so i should crack my whip, and konversation packages will appear? :P
[10:00] <imbrandon> hhahah lemme figure out how to merge there two bzr branches and i'll work on the new edgy konversation ;)
[10:00] <imbrandon> s/there/these
[10:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:00] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: this come accross my rss a few minutes ago, you might like it
[10:00] <imbrandon> http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,71515-0.html?tw=rss.index
[10:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice...
[10:08] <Hobbsee> hi Seveas 
[10:08] <imbrandon> heya Seveas
[10:08] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: why ?
[10:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: file a bug on it and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[10:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: to get kdelibs-bin out of edgy, so people dont start depending on it again.
[10:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, that's what kamion said.  i'm more looking for what goes *into* the bug.
[10:08] <Riddell> "please remove, it no longer exists"
[10:09] <Seveas> hi imbrandon and Hobbsee 
[10:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[10:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, it does exist for the time being, hence it's removal.
[10:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you eyeball https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/48954 please?
[10:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48954 in kdelibs "KDE File Sharing doesn't work with 2-character long home directories" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[10:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: iv'e got no idea what the intended response is - but it may be useful to you
[10:16] <Riddell> seems correct at a glance
[10:16] <Riddell> I wonder where fileshareset is used
[10:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: we're definetly removing amarok-arts, and leaving only amarok-xine and amarok-engines, right?
[10:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yep
[10:17] <Hobbsee> cool
[10:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: anything else to file death requests on?
[10:17] <Hobbsee> apart from yama? (i wish!)
[10:18] <Riddell> just those two I think but the place to check is http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/edgy_probs.html
[10:19] <Riddell> aye, just those two
[10:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, that's where i was looking in the first place
[10:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool :)
[10:21] <Hobbsee> right.  that's done
[10:22] <Hobbsee> fabo: ping?
[10:27] <danimo> damn, we need a freeze exception for kopete
[10:27] <danimo> ICQ broke protocols again
[10:28] <imbrandon> 0.12.2 out soon
[10:28] <Riddell> hmm, we should get that into dapper-updates
[10:28] <Hobbsee> danimo: how many hours ago did they break it?
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: which?  0.12.2, or the icq fix?
[10:28] <danimo> Hobbsee: a few days ago already, but my client was connected until 2 minutes ago
[10:28] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: isnt there a patch in kde svn to stop it from breakin every time they change the protocal ?
[10:29] <danimo> Hobbsee: then suddenly, the server disconnected me
[10:29] <Hobbsee> danimo: i fixed that....apt-cache policy kopete
[10:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you already did the ecno icq fix didn't you?
[10:29] <Hobbsee> and are you on dapper/edgy/what?
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i've done the last two.
[10:29] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: cool, sorted
[10:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: there is.  i'm waiting for 0.12.2 for it, or when they break it again.  whichever happens first.
[10:30] <imbrandon> ahh
[10:30] <Hobbsee> mainly cos i'm lazy, and i'm not happy with main stuff at the moment :P
[10:30] <imbrandon> shush ;)
[10:30] <Riddell> 0.12.2 downloads ICQ fixes from the web if it fails to connect
[10:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: indeed :)
[10:30] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea thats what i was talking about in SVN
[10:30] <danimo> Riddell: updates from the web?
[10:31] <danimo> Riddell: as in binary modules?
[10:31] <Riddell> danimo: not rightly sure
[10:31] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: and as many of us that work on kopete i have just learned the greatness of bzr branches on LP , we might look into one for kopete
[10:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah.  or just keep throwing our versions into the archive, i guess.
[10:31] <Riddell> danimo: presumably not binary modules, just something telling it of the correct version to report to icq
[10:32] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you might want to look at talking to upstream, and getting involved up there with stuff :)
[10:32] <danimo> Riddell: ah, ok
[10:32] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yea true
[10:32] <imbrandon> i'm still getting used to all this new stuff though i need to cutback err better word for it , not take any more new stuff on till i finish some of what i started
[10:33] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:33] <imbrandon> give me a week i'll be caught back up ;)
[10:33] <danimo> why can't just everyone use jabber? :}
[10:33] <imbrandon> danimo: i do use jabber but convice my 600+ guild mates on UO to use jabber ;)
[10:34] <imbrandon> plus i like my semi low icq number ;)
[10:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh
[10:34] <Hobbsee> danimo: yeah, exactly.  jabber is very nice :)
[10:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe fair enough
[10:35] <danimo> Hobbsee: I never bothered migrating to jabber transports, because jabber isn't the most reliable service either, at least on jabber.org
[10:35] <Hobbsee> danimo: that is true.  same for .org.au
[10:36] <imbrandon> but honestly bzr on LP is teh shiznit , it can keep a /upstream branch thats updated^Wsynced from svn and a "ubuntu" branch with out changes that merge with the upstream svn stuff, all very slick , and i just figured out how to use it lol
[10:37] <imbrandon> s/with out/with our
[10:37] <danimo> Hobbsee: how often does it go offline?
[10:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice :)
[10:37] <danimo> Hobbsee: and for how long?
[10:38] <Hobbsee> danimo: dont remember - dont watch it too closely.  i just get trouble connecting'
[10:38] <Hobbsee> oh darn it!  i'm late again!
[10:38] <danimo> it fails for me every two weeks or so
[10:38] <Hobbsee> bye all!
[10:38] <imbrandon> later Hobbsee
[10:38] <danimo> Hobbsee: bye :)
[10:38] <danimo> Hobbsee: for what this time?
[10:38] <Hobbsee> danimo: bible study
[10:39] <danimo> Hobbsee: oha
[11:16] <omeow> k3bsetup cannot update all permissions as root
[12:14] <Ignite_> what version of g++ was used to compile the KDE 3.5.3 kubuntu packages?
[12:17] <Ignite_> :(
[12:18] <Riddell> Ignite_: which ones?
[12:19] <Ignite_> the ones in this repo: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dapper main
[12:20] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/gcc-defaults
[12:20] <Ignite_> thanks
[12:20] <Riddell> gcc-4.0-base (>= 4.0.3)
[12:20] <Ignite_> :)
[12:23] <lnxkde> Riddell thankx for the KDE 3.5.4 packages :D
[12:51] <Riddell> lnxkde: are you using them on dapper?
[01:12] <viviersf> heh just went darring and tried xgl/compiz on kubuntu 
[01:13] <Riddell> uh oh
[01:14] <viviersf> lol
[01:14] <viviersf> it works fine
[01:14] <viviersf> but
[01:14] <viviersf> it breaks applications :/
[01:14] <Riddell> interesting
[01:14] <Riddell> which apps?
[01:14] <viviersf> erm
[01:14] <viviersf> it ripps applets out of kicker
[01:14] <viviersf> they appear as windows
[01:15] <viviersf> but their skrewd
[01:15] <Riddell> curious
[01:15] <viviersf> and kaffeine doesnt start
[01:15] <Riddell> some funky window manager talking problems going on there
[01:15] <viviersf> ag no
[01:15] <Riddell> how about kmplayer?
[01:15] <viviersf> i havnt tried
[01:15] <viviersf> xine-ui shows up with distortion in the images
[01:15] <viviersf> i decided to rather turn it off
[01:16] <ajmitch> some of that is just xgl stuff
[01:16] <ajmitch> viviersf: this with the ubuntu packages on dapper?
[01:16] <viviersf> yeh ajmitch 
[01:16] <ajmitch> no wonder you're having issues
[01:16] <viviersf> lol
[01:16] <viviersf> :/
[01:16] <ajmitch> those packages are old, barely updated from when it was first released
[01:16] <viviersf> erm
[01:17] <viviersf> you aren't serious ?
[01:17] <viviersf> :(
[01:17] <ajmitch> of course I am
[01:17] <viviersf> here  go again
[01:17] <viviersf> :P
[01:17] <ajmitch> kde with x.org 7.1 works nicely enough on my intel-using laptop though
[01:17] <viviersf> *use other repos*
[01:17] <ajmitch> oh dear
[01:18] <Riddell> ajmitch: so no MOTU able to help keep compiz up to date?
[01:18] <ajmitch> Riddell: well I just updated xgl, and was looking at compiz
[01:18] <Riddell> you're the man ajmitch :)
[01:18] <ajmitch> xgl in edgy is a good improvement
[01:19] <viviersf> lol
[01:19] <viviersf> well 
[01:19] <fritsch> Riddell: sorry for disturbing you again ;-) what about the fixed kde packages from raphink?
[01:19] <viviersf> im not daring enough to use edgy just yet @ ajmitch 
[01:19] <Riddell> fritsch: I'm compiling it now for amd64, give me an hour or so
[01:19] <ajmitch> viviersf: come on, live on the edge
[01:19] <viviersf> lol
[01:19] <viviersf> this pc is at home
[01:20] <fritsch> Riddell: ty, mine is running, but the guys on #kubuntu are asking ...
[01:20] <viviersf> with NO internet connection
[01:20] <viviersf> rather not
[01:20] <ajmitch> heh
[01:20] <ajmitch> probably not a good idea then
[01:20] <imbrandon> ^%$^&@#$ this is driving me batty
[01:21] <viviersf> whats wrong imbrandon 
[01:21] <imbrandon> fskin perl script complaing about an uninitialized but i cant find it ..... been looking 20 minutes
[01:21] <viviersf> lol
[01:21] <imbrandon> s/uninitialized/uninitialized var
[01:22] <ajmitch> it's perl
[01:22] <imbrandon> lol tell me about it, i'm just about to the point to redo it in python ( some other day )
[01:23] <ajmitch> might as well
[01:23] <viviersf> do it
[01:23] <viviersf> :D
[01:23] <viviersf> i cant do perl
[01:23] <viviersf> and i dont want to 
[01:23] <allee> imbrandon: does perl give the line of code where it happens?
[01:23] <viviersf> since i learned python
[01:24] <imbrandon> allee: yea and i'm usin carp to backtrace too
[01:25] <allee> imbrandon: where the script and that the error output?
[01:25] <imbrandon> allee: Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 391
[01:26] <imbrandon> and let me push it one sec
[01:31] <imbrandon> allee: bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/apt-mirror/ubuntu
[01:32] <allee> imbrandon: bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock: transport is read only
[01:33] <allee> imbrandon: sorry my 1st time bzr usage.  Should I use something else than 'checkout'
[01:33] <allee> uhm, users with problems. bbl
[01:33] <imbrandon> umm dunno lemme just put it on http for the moment ( i'm a new bzr user too )
[01:33] <imbrandon> kk
[01:35] <Riddell> I think you can only branch from http
[01:35] <Riddell> if you have commit rights you can checkout with  sftp://user@
[01:35] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:35] <imbrandon> right
[01:35] <Riddell> for which you need python2.4-paramiko
[01:35] <imbrandon> yup need that for push too
[01:35] <imbrandon> well sftp push
[01:35] <imbrandon> i guess
[01:36] <imbrandon> allee: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/apt-mirror-0.4.4/apt-mirror is the perl script when you get back ( if it needs the other conf files they are in that dir too )
[01:56] <danimo> Riddell: did you patch kopete?
[01:56] <Riddell> danimo: which?
[01:56] <Riddell> hobbsee did the dapper-updates and edgy fixes
[01:56] <danimo> Riddell: ah, cool
[01:57] <Riddell> although I didn't think anyone used ICQ any more
[01:57] <danimo> Riddell: to include the patch?
[01:57] <Riddell> yes
[01:57] <danimo> you guys are just too fast :)
[01:57] <viviersf> ok right no @ ajmitch 3rd party xgl is worse than dappers
[01:57] <ajmitch> viviersf: in what way?
[01:57] <viviersf> in that it gives a segment fault :p
[01:58] <ajmitch> excellent :)
[01:58] <viviersf> hehe
[02:09] <Tonio_> hey
[02:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I haven't been available those last days
[02:10] <Tonio_> I leaved my appartment and it took a bit of time and now I'm leaving in vacations...
[02:10] <allee> imbrandon: just had a quick look at the code.  You checked that $lines{"Files:"} in line 391 is defined?  print "$lines{Files:}\n
[02:10] <allee> print "$lines{Files:}\n" if exists $lines{Files:};
[02:10] <Tonio_> I'll be available arround 08/22 and full time to polish edgy
[02:10] <Tonio_> just to insinst I'm not leaving definitly ;)
[02:11] <Tonio_> hey allee
[02:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: going on holiday anywhere nice?
[02:11] <allee> hi Tonio_ 
[02:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was supposed to go to croatia
[02:11] <allee> bbl
[02:12] <Tonio_> but since I didn't receive my new identity papers (government's fault) I cannot leave france
[02:12] <Tonio_> so I'm going in the south west
[02:12] <Tonio_> allee: well I will have 6 month of full free time to work on ubuntu starting september :)
[02:13] <allee> Tonio_: croatio is too dangrous: Food much delicous!!!
[02:13] <Tonio_> but at the moment I'm totally unavailable....
[02:13] <Tonio_> allee: that was one of the reasons I wanted to go there :)
[02:13] <allee> heh heh
[02:13] <Tonio_> allee: in fact I'm leaving paris to go in my girlfriend's appartment
[02:14] <allee> Tonio_: sounds very good too
[02:14] <allee> bbl
[02:14] <Tonio_> but it takes time to reorganize the appartment, painting etc......
[02:14] <Tonio_> that's the reason I'm not there for a few days :)
[02:15] <Tonio_> the only point is I cannot go to croatia
[02:15] <pygi> Tonio_, Croatia? I am in Croatia :)
[02:16] <pygi> where were you supposed to go?
[02:16] <Tonio_> pygi: hvar
[02:17] <Tonio_> but that'll now wait for the next summer, thanks to the french government
[02:17] <pygi> Tonio_, nice :)
[02:17] <pygi> it's nice there :)
[02:22] <omeow> qstring_to_xtp result code -2
[02:24] <imbrandon> allee: woot found it , was some extra empty lines i wasent accounting for at the end of Packages.gz
[02:24] <imbrandon> allee: thanks
[02:25] <allee> imbrandon: for what? I couldn't help you ;)
[02:25] <imbrandon> heh well for trying ;)
[02:26] <allee> imbrandon: np.  I was glad to see some perl code after all those python scripts *duck*
[02:26] <imbrandon> hahaha
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:52] <goldenear> hi Hobbsee
[02:53] <jjesse> morning Hobbsee
[02:53] <jjesse> you were worried you woldn't be in one piece?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i went skidding down the road earlier
[02:53] <jjesse> ah, well i'm glad you are in one piece then
[02:54] <Hobbsee> yes.  me too.
[02:56] <jjesse> @time Detroit
[02:56] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Detroit: August 03 2006, 08:56:53
[02:56] <jjesse> @time GMT
[02:57] <jjesse> @time london
[02:57] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/London: August 03 2006, 13:57:03
[02:59] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[03:00] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:  sudo /etc/init.d/sanity restart
[03:00] <imbrandon> heh
[03:00] <Riddell> ** testers needed for  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354 dapper main
[03:00] <imbrandon> give me a few to go get my laptop and i'll install them 
[03:00] <Riddell> thanks imbrandon 
[03:00] <fritsch> Riddell: okay, me fetches the updates
[03:02] <fritsch> Riddell: though, it does not update the kdelibs packages
[03:03] <fritsch> Riddell: are these the same version as before?
[03:03] <fritsch> Riddell: yes, they are ..
[03:03] <Riddell> fritsch: they're the same as raphink's versions
[03:04] <fritsch> Riddell: okay, just for the people who had yours original installed, are not updated, too?
[03:04] <Riddell> they have a larger version number than the older ones
[03:06] <fritsch> Riddell: okay, having had installed raphink ones: Warnung: deaktualisiere kdelibs4c2a von 3.5.4-0ubuntu2 zu 3.5.4-0ubuntu2~dapper1
[03:07] <Riddell> oh, that's raphink's old ones, they're wrong
[03:07] <fritsch> Riddell: good, so fixed for me now, installed yours. ty very much
[03:08] <Lure> Riddell: will download 3.5.4 (I want my work dapper fixed - working in strange KDE for the whole day...;-))
[03:08] <fritsch> Riddell: may I introduce other volunteers on #kubuntu for testing?
[03:08] <Riddell> fritsch: I've already asked for testing there, go ahead and point them at it
[03:09] <jjesse> what is the repo to add for 3.5.4?
[03:09] <imbrandon> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354 dapper main
[03:09] <Riddell> 14:00 < Riddell> ** testers needed for  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354 dapper main
[03:09] <Hobbsee> how odd.  this must be the first lot of kde packages that i havent tested.
[03:10] <fritsch> Riddell: okay ;-) that made fun
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Lure: apparently it's slow
[03:10] <Lure> Hobbsee: interesting, as archive.ubuntu.com is OK...
[03:10] <Riddell> you don't need security :)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:10] <Hobbsee> security's overrated.
[03:10] <Lure> Riddell: will comment it out...
[03:11] <Lure> ;-)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> instead of carrying around large amounts of cash.
[03:11] <imbrandon> afaik http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-security/ is the same thing anyhow
[03:12] <jjesse> hmmm security is running slow for me as well
[03:12] <imbrandon> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security
[03:13] <imbrandon> ^^ same thing from archive.
[03:13] <imbrandon> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
[03:13] <imbrandon> rather
[03:15] <imbrandon> kk Riddell downloading now ( eta 7 minutes ) 
[03:15] <imbrandon> woot
[03:17] <imbrandon> ouch
[03:18] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:20] <fritsch> Riddell: are you running kde 3.5.4 edgy at the moment?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> fritsch: i am
[03:20] <imbrandon> i am
[03:20] <imbrandon> also
[03:20] <fritsch> Riddell: what happens, if you do: SystemSettings ->Region and Country Settings ->Shortcuts
[03:21] <fritsch> ->Command Shortcuts
[03:21] <fritsch> sorry for the bad translation
[03:21] <fritsch> can you find this?
[03:21] <imbrandon> fritsch: i'm there now, whats up?
[03:22] <fritsch> have you clicked the things i said?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> fritsch: yep.  then what?
[03:22] <imbrandon> yes
[03:22] <fritsch> SystemSettings -> Region and Country Settings, then the second from down
[03:23] <imbrandon> yes fritsch its on my screen now, what next ?
[03:23] <fritsch> then the second button unter current scheme
[03:23] <imbrandon> ok ?
[03:23] <fritsch> no crash?
[03:23] <imbrandon> nope
[03:23] <imbrandon> works fine for me
[03:23] <fritsch> here on dapper at least for two users this happens
[03:24] <fritsch> imbrandon: 
[03:24] <imbrandon> my dapper is updating as we speak 
[03:24] <Hobbsee> no crash here either
[03:24] <imbrandon> i'll try it on dapper
[03:24] <fritsch> version 3.5.4?
[03:24] <imbrandon> when it gets done
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'sarah': Linux 2.6.17-5-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz at 2394 MHz (4793 bogomips), HD: 9/22GB, RAM: 590/995MB, 104 proc's, 35.12min up
[03:24] <imbrandon> yes 3.5.4 edgy 
[03:24] <Hobbsee> fritsch: yep
[03:24] <imbrandon> Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.17-5-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), , RAM: 721/1003MB, 107 proc's, 10.8h up
[03:24] <fritsch> imbrandon: can i start it with LANG=en_US control-center?
[03:25] <imbrandon> probably
[03:25] <fritsch> mmh again german
[03:26] <imbrandon> kcontrol
[03:26] <fritsch> imbrandon: LANG=en_US kcontrol
[03:26] <fritsch> this does not work
[03:27] <fritsch> but wait!
[03:27] <fritsch> if i start it in this way, there is no crahs?
[03:27] <fritsch> sth. langauge dependant?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> are you starting system settings, or kcontrol, the first time?
[03:29] <fritsch> systemsettings the first time?
[03:29] <fritsch> Hobbsee: not the same, or?
[03:29] <fritsch> Hobbsee: looks differnt *g*
[03:29] <Hobbsee> fritsch: ie, the crashing one, was that system settings, or kcontrol?
[03:29] <fritsch> system settings
[03:29] <Hobbsee> what happens if you just run "kcontrol"?
[03:29] <fritsch> Hobbsee: it works
[03:30] <Hobbsee> fritsch: looks like a bug in system settings then.
[03:30] <danimo> wb Hobbsee
[03:30] <fritsch> okay
[03:30] <danimo> Hobbsee: thanks for the kopete fix
[03:30] <Hobbsee> hi danimo.  i'm still alive and in one piece
[03:30] <Hobbsee> danimo: the one from a few days ago?  not a problem.
[03:30] <danimo> Hobbsee: not from today?
[03:30] <danimo> Hobbsee: my connection broke just today
[03:31] <danimo> Hobbsee: I was surprised to see that it broke for others a lot earlier already
[03:31] <Hobbsee> danimo: i didnt change anything today on it.
[03:35] <fritsch> Hobbsee: regional&accessibillity -> keyboard shortcuts -> tab command shortcuts => crash
[03:35] <Hobbsee> fritsch: no crash.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> in edgy
[03:36] <DaSkreech> Tab command shortcuts?
[03:36] <DaSkreech> as in tab to command shortcuts?
[03:36] <fritsch> yes
[03:36] <Hobbsee> it's listed as command shortcuts
[03:36] <fritsch> yes, sorry no english version here
[03:37] <DaSkreech> No crash
[03:37] <DaSkreech> Dapper
[03:37] <Hobbsee> it should be better with Sime's changes though
[03:37] <fritsch> DaSkreech: what langauge?
[03:37] <DaSkreech> Erm
[03:37] <DaSkreech>  English
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: I think that it is buggy but is stable enough to use as long as some obvious user and UI issues get sorted out
[03:38] <fritsch> mmh, 1 en_US 2 de_DE get a crash, one en_US not
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Like being able to navigate by keyboard :-P
[03:38] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: well, true.
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Hi nixternal_
[03:40] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it needs someone to really go thru it and fix all the bugs.  you volunteering?
[03:40] <DaSkreech> I was looking for a place to file bugs on launchpad 
[03:41] <DaSkreech> No one is claiming it as their child?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: there's definetly a place - use the LP link in the topic
[03:41] <DaSkreech> Ok
[03:41] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: i'm not sure, i think Riddell was going to look at it, but you're likely welcome to
[03:42] <bddebian> Heya
[03:42] <Hobbsee> 144K of karma.  i swear that keeps going up.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: SVN?
[03:42] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:42] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: i think he was goign to take from svn.  ask
[03:43] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Ping
[03:46] <Riddell> hi
[03:47] <DaSkreech> Hello you maintain the systems settings panel?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, werent you going to look at it?
[03:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: at what?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: system settings, see above
[03:50] <imbrandon> Riddell: woot, kde 3.5.4 on dapper is now kubuntu-ish
[03:50] <imbrandon> everything seems ok so far
[03:51] <Riddell> imbrandon: great, thanks
[03:51] <Riddell> fritsch: yes, confirmed
[03:51] <DaSkreech> Woah What happened? 17 updates? In a night
[03:51] <Riddell> fritsch: get a backtrace and send a bug report
[03:52] <fritsch> Riddell: i am just waiting for the report of "jott" ...
[03:55] <fritsch> Riddell: no backtrace possible, after a reboot nothing happens anymore, but jott is still experiencing this crash, i asked him to fill a bug
[03:57] <Riddell> but other than that crash we should be good to go with 3.4.5?
[03:57] <Riddell> 3.5.4 rather
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you're writing new releases now???
[03:58] <fritsch> Riddell: working fine since yesterday
[03:58] <fritsch> Riddell: I think the crash was not restarting kdm, after your kdebase updates from this morning
[03:58] <hunger> Riddell: I have had no problems with kde 3.5.4 but for that artsd issue.
[03:59] <hunger> Riddell: And that is fixed.
[03:59] <Riddell> hunger: you're just lucky :)
[04:00] <hunger> Riddell: And I could already snear at my SuSE using collegues because my kdevelop has features not yet in their old and outdated version;-)
[04:00] <Riddell> suse also has packages for 3.5.4
[04:00] <hunger> Riddell: Yep, but my collegues do not;-)
[04:02] <hunger> Hobbsee: It is called kdevelop now.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> hunger: right, yep
[04:02] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kdevelop3 should be synced yes
[04:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.  i just saw it on the merges list a while ago
[04:03] <hunger> Or basket 0.6... when I am already at requesting beta software,-)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hunger: what's the status of basket?  stable beta or what?
[04:04] <imbrandon> but i dont have the k it costs
[04:04] <imbrandon> heh
[04:04] <hunger> Hobbsee: From what I read it is beta2.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hunger: how stable is it?
[04:05] <hunger> Hobbsee: THe screenshats look nice, have not tried it myself.
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Well I grabeed it yesterday
[04:05] <DaSkreech>  Haven't done much but it seems to work as stated
[04:05] <hunger> Hobbsee: I managed to live without a basket, I will survive till ubuntu ships it;-)
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hunger: heh. it's not here now
[04:05] <Hobbsee> !info basket edgy
[04:05] <ubotu> basket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[04:06] <hunger> Hobbsee: There is the current stable version... but that does not sport so many different colors;-)
[04:06] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: not shipped by....no...wait...
[04:06] <DaSkreech> lol
[04:06] <imbrandon> it is 
[04:06] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it's in k-d
[04:06] <Hobbsee> so it is
[04:07] <DaSkreech> I'm not sure how to take that answer :)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> it's kalarm that isnt
[04:07] <imbrandon> nor kcalc ;(
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Hmm never used kalarm
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Bah who uses that
[04:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: speedcrunch
[04:07] <imbrandon> bah
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Katapult is all I need baby :)
[04:07] <imbrandon> lol
[04:08] <imbrandon> my mom for one, she wouldent use linux unless it had a calc that looked like windows calc, dont ask !!
[04:08] <imbrandon> lol
[04:08] <fritsch> imbrandon: suggest her "xcalc"
[04:08] <DaSkreech> hunger: On what basis?
[04:08] <fritsch> imbrandon: :-)
[04:08] <imbrandon> i've used katapult a whole 3 times
[04:08] <Hobbsee> mmm...katapult
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah I through a tantrum anytime it doesn't start
[04:09] <imbrandon> i just use what ever konsole i'm in atm
[04:09] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Is System settings in SVN?
[04:09] <hunger> DaSkreech: Too many colors, too overblown for a app starter, useless as a calculator.
[04:09] <DaSkreech> Too many colours that's a funny thing to throw at a KDE app :)
[04:09] <hunger> DaSkreech: And of course: I am used to run the kde start thingy.
[04:10] <DaSkreech> How is it overblown?
[04:11] <DaSkreech> I'm not trying to convince you to use it I'm just polling :)
[04:13] <goldenear> Riddell: I'm ugrading from KDE 3.5.3 to 3.5.4 (dapper) : Why does it need to install xmms and libtkg1.2 ?
[04:16] <Lure> Riddell: new 3.5.4 got kubuntu look, but kicker is still screwed up: only has the stuff I added after initiial install - two icons and Storage media applet
[04:17] <Lure> no desktops, time/date, K-menu...
[04:17] <Lure> and Kontact also does not have Kubuntu defaults by Tonio (unread mail in () after folder name)...
[04:18] <Lure> I suspect this is probably side effect of having broken 3.5.4 running for some time...
[04:19] <DaSkreech> Speaking of that I should have breakfast
[04:19] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:19] <Hobbsee> food's overrated.  i should know :P
[04:19] <Riddell> Lure: killall kicker; rm ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc; kicker
[04:20] <Riddell> goldenear: dunno, look at rdepends
[04:20] <DaSkreech> tell me about it but the boss bought breakfast for the company today :) So I partake
[04:20] <Lure> Riddell: yep, got the default one back...
[04:20] <Riddell> Lure: phew
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Is the code for system Settings in SVN?
[04:21] <Riddell> DaSkreech: yes
[04:21] <Riddell> in playground
[04:21] <DaSkreech> ok
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did i tell you that artsd got fixed last night in edgy?
[04:22] <goldenear> Riddell: kopete depends on xmms !!!
[04:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: someone did, could well have been you
[04:22] <Hobbsee> !info kmenuedit edgy
[04:22] <ubotu> kmenuedit: menu editor for KDE. In repository main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 368 kB, installed size 988 kB
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: likely
[04:22] <Riddell> goldenear: how devious of it
[04:22] <Hobbsee> goldenear: i'm sure as hell that it doesnt.
[04:23] <goldenear> superkaramba depends on it too :/
[04:23] <Hobbsee> goldenear: apt-cache policy kopete, please?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> goldenear: or are you still on 0.11?
[04:23] <goldenear> at least that what apt-cache rdepends xmms gives me
[04:23] <goldenear> I'm using kopete 0.12
[04:24] <fabo> Hobbsee: you pinged me some hours ago ...
[04:24] <goldenear> and apt wants to install 0.12.1
[04:25] <Hobbsee> fabo: heya!  what's the status of ksynaptics now?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> goldenear: dapper, i take it?
[04:26] <fabo> Hobbsee: nothing new atm https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libsynaptics/+bug/54934
[04:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54934 in libsynaptics "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync libsynaptics 0.14.6b-1 from sid" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  
[04:27] <Hobbsee> fabo: yep.  that's libsynaptics?  i thought there was a new ksynaptics?
[04:27] <fabo> libsynaptics resolves the ksynaptics bug
[04:27] <Hobbsee> fabo: ahhh...right. i thought we were having a new version of both.
[04:28] <fabo> ksynaptics 0.3.2 was delayed
[04:28] <Hobbsee> goldenear: yeah, can you /query me apt-cache policy kopete please?  i'm not sure what's happened there
[04:29] <Hobbsee> goldenear: that should be fixed in my latest packages of them
[04:30] <goldenear> Hobbsee: I paste it to you in pv :)
[04:31] <Hobbsee> goldenear: cool :)
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: which sources did you use for making the 3.5.4 kopete 0.12.1 packages?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you use my current edgy ones, or what?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: or did you use the old dapper sources that the 4 people did?
[04:35] <fritsch> Riddell: could you delete or change the Readme file, this stops users from upgrading?
[04:38] <imbrandon> fritsch: what readme
[04:38] <fritsch> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/README
[04:38] <fritsch> this one, not more current, fixed yesterday
[04:44] <DaSkreech> System settings doesn't use Malone as the Bug tracker?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it does
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Well I jsut tried to file a bug (it only has one) and it told me I can't
[04:46] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs-search?field.distribution=ubuntu&field.sourcepackagename=kde-systemsettings&search=Search
[04:46] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it's under kde-systemsettings
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Hmm I went to products and klicking on KDE ssystem settings redirects me to kcontrol
[04:47] <imbrandon> kde != kubuntu
[04:47] <omeow> alt & ctrl + print don't work anymore
[04:47] <omeow> (more keyboard issues?)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: i went via the link in teh topic
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Well yeah I know that
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Ah ok Under Distributions :)
 kde != kubuntu <-- but kubuntu mostly is KDE :)
[04:50] <imbrandon> goldenear: yea but the product on LP 
[04:50] <imbrandon> is what he clicked, products != packages
[04:51] <Hobbsee> oh darn ti.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> *it
[04:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: want to sponsor an upload for me, in a bit?
[04:51] <imbrandon> the KDE product has its own bug tracker not malone
[04:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ok
[04:51] <imbrandon> is what i'm getting at
[04:52] <DaSkreech> Yeah Still trying to figure out Launchpad
[04:52] <DaSkreech> I think I've got People :)
[04:52] <omeow> Does alt or ctrl+printscrn work for anyone else?
[04:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks :)
[04:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I used the current edgy package for kopete, but it was done in a chroot that might have had xmms installed previously
[04:52] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right...because xmms isnt listed as a build dep for edgy packages for a while...
[04:52] <Hobbsee> iirc
[04:53] <Hobbsee> and the --without-xmms is passed
[04:53] <goldenear> imbrandon: then Launchpad should only be used for the kubuntu base packages (the ones common with ubuntu)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> iirc
[04:53] <imbrandon> goldenear: no not at all
[04:53] <imbrandon> you seeing it wrong
[04:53] <imbrandon> products != packages
[04:53] <imbrandon> brb
[04:54] <goldenear> kde specific bugs should be repported with the kde bug repport tool imho
[04:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if i'm just adding a .pot patch, with debhelper, do i need the stuff on reading the debian/patches dir?
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: seeing as there's other bits to add anyway?
[04:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it needs some way to read the patches
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[04:55] <Riddell> if it's a debhelper rules file that needs to be in the file
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: which is "that"?
[04:57] <Riddell> the patch bits
[04:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.  remember which section?
[04:57] <Hobbsee> can i stick it anywhere before install, and it still be read?
[04:58] <Riddell> patching should be done before configure
[04:58] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, i think i found it
[04:58] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you happen to have a copy of http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/files/kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff somewhere handy?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> seems that that link is down  (grumble)
[05:00] <Riddell> any KDE package will have it
[05:00] <Riddell> usually in debian/patches/common
[05:01] <Hobbsee> if you could copy that to your kubuntu.org server with the rest of the patches, that'd be helpful
[05:01] <Hobbsee> oh, here it is
[05:02] <omeow> Do the alt+printscrn or ctrl+printscrn shortcuts work for any of you? (It should start ksnapshot in different modes, window and desktop mode respectively)
[05:02] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff
[05:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks :)
[05:02] <Riddell> omeow: printscreen does
[05:03] <omeow> I know, but the other two shortcuts don't.
[05:05] <omeow> I'm not quite sure how ksnapshot is started by pressing printscrn, since the application ksnapshot doesn't have a shortcut, and other than window & desktop screenshot, there don't seem to be any other shortcuts regarding this.
[05:06] <Hobbsee> omeow: is there one in kcontrol/system settings about it?
[05:06] <omeow> No.
[05:06] <omeow> And it looks like both those screenshot options don't work at all, not even when I change the shortcuts to single keys.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> woo!  debian accepted my patch.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do i want to bother getting a main package synced, if the only change is mine, that i made in ubuntu first?  i'm thinking not.
[05:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: is there a newer version in debian?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: only with my fix in it
[05:08] <Hobbsee> eh, and a lintian overwrite thing in it
[05:08] <Hobbsee> ie, only a -3ubuntu1 to a -4 changes
[05:08] <Hobbsee> -s
[05:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: generally it's not worth doing syncing mid-cycle unless there's a reason
[05:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good, that's what i thought :)
[05:09] <Hobbsee> +libdvdread (0.9.6-4) unstable; urgency=low
[05:09] <Hobbsee> +
[05:09] <Hobbsee> +  * Made install-css.sh executable as suggested by
[05:09] <Hobbsee> +    Sarah Hobbs <hobbsee@ubuntu.com>.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:09] <omeow> bko is nice and slow again... :)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> OculusAquilae!  argh!
[05:12] <nixternal> woohoo kde 3.5.4 ;)
[05:12] <nixternal> hiya kubuntueros ;)
[05:13] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[05:13] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[05:14] <Riddell> and kubuntueras
[05:15] <nixternal> hehe...hiya Riddell ;)
[05:15] <Riddell> a female kubuntuero
[05:15] <nixternal> hiya imbrandon!
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhh...right
[05:15] <nixternal> yup
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: pastebin of the debdiff?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19605  - thanks!
[05:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: or do you want me to bug someone else to upload it?
[05:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'll do it, looks good
[05:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :) 
[05:20] <Riddell> Sime: I can't get systemsettings to show the advanced/general buttons in the toolbar
[05:22] <imbrandon> [10:15]  <Riddell> a female kubuntuero <--- a wha ??
[05:22] <imbrandon> lol
[05:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:22] <Hobbsee> makes me think of spain, for some reason.
[05:23] <imbrandon> heh
[05:23] <imbrandon> i'm have to save the log of the skirt twist ;) thats classic hehe
[05:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:24] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: dont feel bad, i rarely wear them either ;P
[05:24] <DaSkreech> Does anyone?
[05:24] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: my {ex-}wife does almost 100% of the time
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Woah. Where does she live?
[05:25] <imbrandon> heh reno nv
[05:25] <DaSkreech> What? 
[05:25] <DaSkreech> That's insane
[05:25] <imbrandon> howso ?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hah
[05:26] <DaSkreech> They are like parachutes for heat. 
[05:26] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: i used to.  school uniform.  very impractical though
[05:26] <toma> ola
[05:26] <Hobbsee> (picture hobbsee climbing under stages, jumping down stairs, etc)
[05:26] <imbrandon> [09:59]  <imbrandon> Hobbsee: you done with voyager for the night? if so i'm gonna set it into backup mode
[05:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yep
[05:26] <imbrandon> kk
[05:26] <imbrandon> hehe just makin sure
[05:27] <omeow> Riddell, filed as http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131789
[05:27] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 131789 in general "window/desktop screenshot global shortcutkeys do not work" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[05:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: :)  yeah, i've seen enoguh of "this system is going for REBOOT NOW!  disconnecting"
[05:27] <DaSkreech> Course Jamaica is pretty hot and tempting for young uns so skirts don't stay on for very long anyway :)
[05:28] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: LOL 
[05:28] <imbrandon> told ya the VM was better ;)
[05:28] <DaSkreech> Xen! FTW!
[05:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hey now - i havent seen it throw gcc errors yet
[05:28] <mhb> good afternoon
[05:28] <imbrandon> anyhow i should be getting a dedicated build box soon
[05:28] <Hobbsee> i'm not complaining!
[05:28] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:29] <Hobbsee> hi mhb 
[05:29] <imbrandon> 'ello and gnight
[05:30] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon 
[05:30] <Hobbsee> mmm...sleep
[05:30] <mhb> goodnight
[05:30] <Riddell> Sime: ah hah, it was installing to /usr/etc, my fault
[05:30] <Riddell> Sime: looking lovely
[05:31] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: What's the time by you now?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[05:31] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: August 04 2006, 01:31:16
[05:31] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: ^
[05:31] <DaSkreech> Ah Not that late then
[05:31] <Hobbsee>  /usr/etc...interesting
[05:31] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: class starts at 10
[05:31] <Hobbsee> although, i technically wont have to come home for another 36 hours or so...
[05:32] <Lure> omeow: I think prtscrn is assigned by k-d-s with khotkeys
[05:32] <Lure> omeow: this was done by Tonio_ for dapper
[05:33] <omeow> k-d-s is a person?
[05:34] <imbrandon> kubuntu-default-setting package
[05:34] <Lure> Riddell: Command Shortcuts in Reginal setting crashes System settings (KDE 3.5.4 on dapper)
[05:34] <Hobbsee> omeow: heh.  k-d-s is a very interesting nick for a person :P
[05:34] <Lure> Riddell: I think someone reported something similar earlier...
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Lure: someone else mentioned that earlier
[05:35] <mhb> Hobbsee: :o)
[05:35] <DaSkreech> So it should have two more for Ctrl/Alt +PtrScrn?
[05:35] <Riddell> Lure: they did
[05:36] <mhb> Hobbsee: I think k-d-s is a name for an evil gnome doing bad stuff somewhere in KDE 3.5.4 :o)
[05:36] <Lure> DaSkreech: not sure if possible as this is only for starting app. What are Ctrl/Alt supposed to do (in that other OS)?
[05:36] <omeow> DaSkreech, well it's listed in the global shortcuts list under miscellaneous. 
[05:36] <DaSkreech> Lure: Listen to omeow :)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> mhb: heh.  no...they just make app names too long, so they get shortened.  happens for l-k-h too
[05:36] <mhb> Hobbsee: The sad thing is: I know. :o)
[05:37] <imbrandon> l-r-m
[05:37] <DaSkreech> My fav is i18n :-)
[05:38] <lnxkde> :P
[05:38] <imbrandon> wth does that stand for anyhow, i know its the itnl stuff but ....
[05:38] <lnxkde> are the KDE 3.5.4 bugs too bad??
[05:39] <toma> imbrandon: l10n
[05:39] <imbrandon> lnxkde: nope the majopr ones been worked out it seems
[05:39] <lnxkde> nice
[05:39] <lnxkde> time to update then
[05:40] <lnxkde> how loves RIddell ?
[05:40] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: internationalization
[05:42] <imbrandon> ahh found it L10n, Acronym for "localization" ("L" + 10 letters + "n"; upper case L is used to distinguish it from the numeral 1 (one))
[05:42] <imbrandon> anyhow , gnight
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Night get some nap time
[05:43] <mhb> imbrandon: it's still used with the lowercase "l"
[05:43] <mhb> imbrandon: good night
[05:43] <lnxkde> imbrandon, bye
[05:43] <lnxkde> imbrandon, thankx good night
[05:43] <lnxkde> DaSkreech,  I love you too dont be jelous
[05:44] <DaSkreech> I know you got love for me :)
[05:45] <lnxkde> :p
[05:45] <DaSkreech> See?
[05:45] <lnxkde> DaSkreech lol
[05:45] <lnxkde> DaSkreech did you update?
[05:45] <DaSkreech> to new KDe?
[05:45] <lnxkde> yep
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Nope
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Busy at work on three projects and looking at svn for system settings
[05:46] <lnxkde> I see
[05:47] <lnxkde> DaSkreech,  work then !
[05:47] <lnxkde> stop IRC!
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Neva!!
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Some of my work involves IRCing :)
[05:49] <toma> Riddell: translate this application gives a Traceback and no user visible output for non-existing applications
[05:50] <toma> o nm, it completely doesn't work
[05:50] <DaSkreech> PLus I'm arguing in the bash channel
[05:50] <lnxkde> DaSkreech, yes mine too I may some day do a insurance and mutal fund sell in the IRC
[05:50] <lnxkde> :p
[05:50] <Riddell> toma: cool :)
[05:50] <Riddell> toma: try it with launchpad-integration installed
[05:50] <DaSkreech> With bots :)
[05:50] <toma> Riddell: oki
[05:51] <DaSkreech> !life insurance 96 y/o
[05:51] <ubotu> I know nothing about life insurance 96 y/o - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[05:54] <toma> Riddell: no difference, maybe i need edgy for that?
[05:54] <lnxkde> DaSkreech,  you pay 96 monthly?
[05:54] <Riddell> toma: does it still crash?
[05:54] <toma> yes
[05:55] <lnxkde> my net connection is dead today..
[05:55] <lnxkde> It is downloading at 7k....
[05:55] <Riddell> hmm, works for me in dapper
[05:55] <lnxkde> when It soppose to download at 56k
[05:55] <Hobbsee> bedtime.  night all.
[05:55] <lnxkde> Hobbsee,  bye
[05:55] <lnxkde> :)
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Nope Life insurance for a 96 year old :)
[05:55] <toma> i installed launchpad-dependencies and liblaunchpad-integration0                 was already installed 
[05:55] <Riddell> night Hobbsee 
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Night Hobbsee
[05:55] <toma> night Hobbsee
[05:55] <Riddell> any other dapper users have problems with Get Help Online?
[05:55] <lnxkde> Hobbsee, night
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Though you are probably going to be here in 15 minutes :)
[05:56] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: heh, probably
[05:56] <toma> is there a way to disable that menu item?
[05:56] <lnxkde> DaSkreech  lol noone will insure someone of 96 years olld  last age is 69 :p
[05:57] <Riddell> toma: no, you'd need to recompiled kdelibs
[05:58] <lnxkde> Riddell when you think we will see KDE4 snv packages for edgy? 
[05:59] <Riddell> lnxkde: when someone makes them
[05:59] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: edgy+1
[05:59] <lnxkde> :P but they are going to be in edgy repos?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: edgy+2, likely in repos
[06:00] <lnxkde> ok
[06:00] <toma> Riddell: so i have to construct my own help menu?
[06:00] <Hobbsee> and yes, i'm going to bed - i'm chucking the rubbish off my bed at the moment - it seemed to grow during the day.
[06:00] <lnxkde> Hobbsee,  lol
[06:00] <Hobbsee> and i wasnt here, so i'm not sure how!
[06:01] <Riddell> toma: or just not click on those two items.  you have the other menu items no?
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Don't water it!!
[06:03] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: haha
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Ok I just killed all the sound in my computer from command line mplayer somehow
[06:05] <toma> Riddell: yes, but since I have serious problems with this feature, I will think what I will do.
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Ah! What on earth?
[06:22] <toma> Riddell: does it lead straight to Rosetta? Or is there an explanation?
[06:23] <Riddell> toma: it just brings up a web browser at rosetta 
[06:24] <toma> Riddell: sorry for being a pita, but are the comments from the kde people going to be ignored? I mean is this final?
[06:26] <Riddell> toma: this has been planned for a long time, removing would probably mean getting approval from Mark Shuttleworth
[06:27] <toma> that means the comments of kde have gone to dev null. 
[06:28] <jjesse> join #ubuntu-bugs
[06:28] <Riddell> toma: I wouldn't say that, I've passed all the comments onto the rosetta developers and they've responded with comments
[06:29] <Riddell> toma: I'm sure I remember you saying that adding a menu item wasn't any worse than replacing the k-menu with a suse logo
[06:29] <Riddell> toma: but it would be good to collect the points from the kde-i18n-doc rosetta discussion on a wiki page so we could discuss them in a BoF at akademy
[06:29] <Riddell> jjesse: do you have a script which does that?
[06:30] <toma> are the  comments located in a br?
[06:31] <Riddell> in a bug report?  not that I know of
[06:31] <toma> the comments of rosetta developers
[06:31] <Riddell> no
[06:31] <toma> not public?
[06:31] <Riddell> mostly me talking to carlos on #ubuntu-devel
[06:33] <toma> i wont deny that i said that, but the way it works now, is not friendly to kde transalators
[06:36] <Riddell> toma: it's not my favourite feature either (especially since Get Help Online does pretty well nothing useful)
[06:37] <Riddell> I could change it to Translate this Application for Kubuntu
[06:37] <Riddell> but much more would need to be discussed with Mark, are you coming to akademy?
[06:38] <jjesse> hmmm small problem: i upgraded to kde3.5.4 toda and now can't an ip address on my virtual machine
[06:38] <Riddell> jjesse: using what?
[06:38] <jjesse> Riddell: i have a virutal machine that i upgraded to the kde 3.5.4 repos today and now i don't have an ip address
[06:39] <toma> Riddell: No, i'm not so good in big groups.
[06:39] <jjesse> only ip address is the loopback
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Anychance of someone talking to edubuntu devs about not ripping out KDE apps?
[06:40] <Riddell> jjesse: can get an ip address using which toojl?
[06:40] <Riddell> can't
[06:41] <Riddell> toma: if you were able to make a wiki page with all the problems kde people have with rosetta that would be cool
[06:44] <jjesse> Riddell: i couldn't get access from my VM to my host machie, an ifconfig only shows lo configured and a standard sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0 to get dhcp address doesnt' work
[06:45] <jjesse> eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device 
[06:50] <jjesse> i've double checked my configs on the vm and nothng has changed since i've upgraded kde
[06:52] <Riddell> there's also nothing in kde that could change your network like that
[06:52] <jjesse> i agree  that's what i'm trying to figure out
[06:52] <Riddell> all a bit spooky
[06:53] <jjesse> agreeed
[07:04] <Riddell> dapper users: rocking new system settings http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde-systemsettings_0.0svn20060803-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[07:04] <Riddell> now compiling in edgy
[07:16] <allee> Riddell: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/desktop-directories/kde-settings-accessibility.directory'  (Dapper kde 3.5.2)
[07:16] <allee> , which is also in package kdebase-data
[07:16] <Riddell> allee: humbug
[07:16] <allee> :)
[07:27] <rouzic> Thanks :D
[07:33] <omeow> Riddell, rofl @ the outcome of http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131789
[07:34] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 131789 in general "window/desktop screenshot global shortcutkeys do not work" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme]  
[07:35] <omeow> Maybe it's just me, but I think it's ironic, first they include the utility ksnapshot to make screenshots, then they include shortcuts that copy screenshots to the clipboard. While I expected ksnapshot to start up in the various screenshot modes.
[07:35] <Riddell> omeow: that explains it :)
[07:35] <omeow> Yeah, it does.
[07:36] <omeow> consistant with windows, but inconsistant with how you usually make a screenshot in kde. (and you're used to doing it like that. =P)
[07:42] <el> hi
[07:42] <el> Riddell, http://ellen.reitmayr.net/downloads/systemsettings_el.png
[07:42] <omeow> hah!
[07:42] <omeow> I was just saying that to Sho_
[07:43] <omeow> Oh wait, keyboard shortcuts are still under regional & accessibility.
[07:44] <Riddell> el: try running kbuildsycoca and running systemsettings from the command line
[07:45] <omeow> I don't quite understand why they are. I suggest putting them in tabs under hardware => keyboard
[07:45] <el> Riddell, now it looks as it should - thanks, Riddell 
[07:45] <Riddell> phew
[07:45] <omeow> Where'd hardware go?
[07:46] <el> omeow, this is how it should be: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/systemsettings.png
[07:47] <omeow> Looks better, but I still think keyboard (and other) shorcuts should be under keyboard or in their own module.
[07:48] <omeow> Or is it now?
[07:49] <el> omeow, keyboard shortcuts are under keyboard
[07:49] <Riddell> omeow: it is now
[07:49] <omeow> Great. :)
[07:49] <omeow> I used to spend ages looking for the right module, but I could never find it.
[07:50] <Riddell> omeow: but keyboard layout is both a "keyboard" issue and a "regional" issue so that's always complex
[07:50] <el> there are some resizing problems, and the search results for advanced is not visible enough
[07:51] <Riddell> el: what resizing problems?
[07:51] <el> results for the keyboard layout were exactly 50:50 -> half of the people expected it to be under regional, the other half under keyboard
[07:52] <el> yes, keyboard layout under regional doesn;t have scrollbars
[07:52] <omeow> funny
[07:52] <el> Riddell, so when the window is too small, you do not get to all contents
[07:52] <Riddell> el: I get a horizontal scrollbar on that
[07:53] <omeow> el, never got a reply to http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126473#c9 maybe you could add some meaningful reply too? :)
[07:53] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 126473 in general "KTorrent needs better/crystal like icons" [Wishlist,Resolved: wontfix]  
[07:53] <el> Riddell, i'll go through all the dialogs tonight to see if there are more issues like that
[07:54] <el> omeow, ken is going to design icons for that
[07:54] <Riddell> el: put them at the bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSystemSettingsUsability
[07:54] <Sime> hi guys
[07:54] <el> omeow, we both agreed that the media player start/stop icons are not appropriate for download
[07:54] <el> hi sime!
[07:54] <allee> hi Sime 
[07:54] <Riddell> ah hah, the main man
[07:55] <el> Sime,  thanks for implementing this so fast :)
[07:55] <omeow> el: well, designing and them actually using them is two different things.
[07:55] <el> omeow, you think the ktorrent people won't use them?
[07:55] <omeow> luckily, kde4 will have text under icons by default.
[07:56] <omeow> well, I heard they might be a bit stubborn. :)
[07:56] <Riddell> omeow: it will?
[07:56] <Sime> el: are you having trouble running the new version on your machine?
[07:56] <Riddell> omeow: you can turn that on per application by the way, adept does it
[07:56] <omeow> Riddell, I heard it was going to be turned on by default yeah.
[07:56] <omeow> Sho told me.
[07:56] <el> omeow, but if they are in the regular icon set, then they should. it's in the guidelines that default icons should be used ;-)
[07:57] <omeow> Hmhm, i'll have to see about that. :)
[07:57] <el> Sime, i just once more forgot to run this kbuildsomehting
[07:57] <Riddell> gamin being broken :(
[07:58] <Sime> el: ok, it looked like you were running the wrong binary. But yeah, it was probably kbuildsysblah.
[07:58] <el> hehe
[07:58] <el> Sime, i just said to riddell that i'll go through the systemsettings tonight to look for the low hanging fruits 
[07:59] <Sime> ok, good. Will you be looking in my stuff or the standard kde panels as well?
[07:59] <Riddell> would be nice to have accessibilty in this, arrow keys working et al
[08:00] <Sime> Riddell: systemsettings (=> s-s). s-s probably needs to have those 2 laptop modules put back in somewhere.
[08:00] <el> Sime, your stuff (e.g. search results for the non-active main group are too weak), but also the main panels
[08:00] <Riddell> Sime: I'll be removing those laptop modules tomorrow with any luck
[08:00] <Sime> Riddell: and there needs to be a place for dumped extra kcms that we don't know about. (3rd party)
[08:01] <Riddell> Sime: we won't need them in edgy since we'll use the acpi-support in kmilo
[08:01] <Sime> el: yeah, in s-s, and in the guidance modules. (account admin, disk admin, display and services)
[08:02] <Sime> Riddell: ok good. I'm just warning you. :-) I don't have much of a clue about what the laptop users need...
[08:03] <mornfall> hi el 
[08:03] <el> hi mornfall 
[08:03] <el> sent you an email earlier this week :)
[08:03] <mornfall> i have stalled on adept, sorry
[08:03] <mornfall> yes i know
[08:04] <mornfall> i saw you here and recalled
[08:04] <mornfall> there are still bits and pieces to get adept into half-releasable shape
[08:04] <mornfall> Riddell: what's the release plan for edgy again?
[08:04] <el> mornfall, did you make changes in the ui?
[08:05] <mornfall> i got flooded away with work, school and personal issues
[08:05] <el> mornfall, the filters, if i remember your blog correctly
[08:05] <Riddell> mornfall: feature freeze in a month https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[08:05] <mornfall> okey, month is enough to get some sort of 2.2 in
[08:05] <mornfall> it won't have much of the stuff from the paris specs
[08:05] <mornfall> but it will have something... hopefully
[08:06] <mornfall> for ui changes, there are icons and changed layout
[08:06] <mornfall> the modebar thing is not implemented right now and i don't know if there'll be enough time
[08:07] <mornfall> i won't work on any new features anytime soon if i want to get a stable release for edgy
[08:07] <el> mornfall, if you pack it for dapper, i'll have a look at your layout changes
[08:08] <mornfall> i'll try el
[08:08] <el> mornfall needs vacation!
[08:09] <mornfall> i don't know what i need, probably a divine intervention
[08:09] <el> hehe
[08:10] <mornfall> times are hard (yeah, times are always hard)
[08:10] <mornfall> it'll get better eventually... it always has
[08:13] <Lure> Riddell: what do you mean with "we won't need them in edgy since we'll use the acpi-support in kmilo"?
[08:14] <Riddell> Lure: when I get your patch uploaded
[08:14] <Lure> Riddell: but we would still need some laptop config (what to do on lid close...), wouldn't we?
[08:15] <Riddell> Lure: then we'd need a new module for that, not the current thinkpad or vaio ones
[08:15] <Lure> and I thought that sebas's power mgmt applet would catch lid/sleep/hibernate keys on it's own or do you expect this to be done by kmilo too?
[08:20] <Riddell> it should probably just get them from hal since that's the future
[08:20] <Riddell> so it's not a kmilo problem at all
[08:20] <Lure> exactly. btw, any progress on new applet?
[08:22] <Riddell> Lure: it's on my todo list after your kmilo stuff
[08:32] <Sime> Riddell: will 3.5.4 be coming to dapper?
[08:32] <Sime> Riddell: forget that.
[08:32] <Riddell> Sime: it's available
[08:33] <Sime> Riddell: we're already up to Edgy, h.
[08:33] <Riddell> it's in edgy too
[08:33] <Sime> does the media:/ stuff work better in 3.5.4?
[08:34] <Riddell> in which way?
[08:38] <Riddell> floppy disks still seem broken :(
[08:39] <Sime> cdrom doesn't show up as unmounted. feature??
[08:39] <Riddell> how do you mean?
[08:40] <Riddell> cdroms mount fine
[08:40] <Sime> properties tab for my HDDs is very plain, and missing extra info about the disk.
[08:40] <Riddell> works for me
[08:41] <Riddell> I need to go out
[08:41] <Sime> ok, cdrom only shows up when there is a disk. makes some sense
[08:41] <Sime> no worries.
[09:31] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[09:40] <jjesse> Riddell: figured out the problem w/ my network, my interface was setup as disabled and not setup to enabled upon startup
[09:40] <DaSkreech> mornfall: can I get a key shortcut for search?
[09:41] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[10:00] <DaSkreech> hello alleeEdgy32
[10:08] <alleeEdgy32> DaSkreech: hi.  any experience with a docking station and Radeon card? :)
[10:09] <DaSkreech> Eh?
[10:09] <DaSkreech> translate as no ;-)
[10:09] <alleeEdgy32> DaSkreech: me too.  and does not work out of the box :(
[10:09] <DaSkreech> What docking station?
[10:10] <alleeEdgy32> Dell D600 laptop + docking station with DVI
[10:11] <alleeEdgy32> console works bug starting X gives -> TFT goes to sleep.  I assume no signal, but  Xorg.0.log looks fine
[10:11] <alleeEdgy32> s/bug/but/
[10:13] <alleeEdgy32> ha ha :)
[11:02] <jeroenvrp> yes 3.5.4 is working in dapper :-) ~!
[11:02] <jeroenvrp> but,
[11:03] <jeroenvrp> only when I open an application under root, the fonts look antialiased
[11:03] <jeroenvrp> cripled that is
[11:03] <jeroenvrp> I checked it, but anti-aliases is on
[11:04] <jeroenvrp> anyone have an idea!?
[11:04] <allee> jeroenvrp: I had to [configure...]  to the right and selected subpixel hinting
[11:05] <jeroenvrp> allee: ah so you had the same problem
[11:05] <allee> jeroenvrp: but I played before 3.5.4 upgrade with antialiasing so I was not sure it it's releated to 3.5.4
[11:05] <jeroenvrp> allee: oeps
[11:06] <jeroenvrp> I mean the fonts look NOT anti-aliased
[11:06] <allee> jeroenvrp: yes. It was the same here after rebooting in 3.5.4:  aliasing was on Subpixel hinting was off.
[11:07] <allee> subpixel subpixel hinting on gave me back the antialiasing look
[11:07] <jeroenvrp> allee: thanks for the hint
[11:08] <jeroenvrp> I disabled anti-aliasing and enabled it again, now it works
[11:08] <jeroenvrp> notjing to do with subhinting
[11:08] <jeroenvrp> whatever its calles
[11:08] <jeroenvrp> thats for laptops I presume
[11:09] <alleeEdgy32> ah, so maybe  changing subpixel hinting had just the same effect (reread real value of antialiasing)
[11:09] <alleeEdgy32> jeroenvrp: yes. laptop here  (Dell D600)
[11:09] <jeroenvrp> alleeEdgy32: yes that was what I presumed
[11:49] <omeow> What does qstring_to_xtp result code -2 generally mean?
[11:49] <omeow> It gets printed to my console every time I switch tabs in something.
[11:49] <omeow> is -2 bad?
[11:52] <mhb> good night (that's a greeting :o)