[03:57] <bimberi> Anyone about who can rename https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.10 to 6.06 ?
[04:07] <bimberi> Madpilot, Burgundavia ^^^^^ ?
[04:08] <Madpilot> yeah, I can - give me a moment
[04:08] <Burgundavia> hmm, seems I can't either
[04:08] <Burgundavia> mdke: can you give myself and bimberi rename privs on the help wiki?
[04:14] <Madpilot> is it just mdke & I who've got rename/delete privs right now?
[04:15] <Madpilot> renamed, btw - now at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.06
[04:16] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: I think so
[04:16] <Madpilot> heh
[04:17] <Madpilot> only reason I've got it is because mdke happened to be logged into the help.u.c server one evening when I bugged him for privs :)
[04:18] <bimberi> Madpilot: tyvm :)
[04:18] <Madpilot> no prob
[04:23] <Burgundavia> wow, seriously non-clueful --> http://www.osweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2270
[07:53] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: have you seen this? http://wildbill.nulldevice.net/wordpress/?p=177
[07:54] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: holy crap!
[07:54] <jsgotangco> wonder if its real?
[07:54] <Burgundavia> assuming it is not a photoshop, let us fridge that badboy
[07:54] <Burgundavia> he does give a real location, so it can be verified fairly easily
[07:54] <jsgotangco> it was posted in my loco list
[07:55] <Burgundavia> what it lacks in the ubuntu website in the bottom red bar
[07:55] <jsgotangco> yes its a good "identity" colour since hoary
[07:55] <jsgotangco> for x86 though
[07:56] <Burgundavia> that tan with red has been very signature
[07:56] <Burgundavia> look at the ubuntu brochures
[07:57] <Madpilot> cool billboard
[07:57] <Burgundavia> in other news, the GalaxyMage artists have decided to go GPL, thanks to yours truly
[07:57] <Madpilot> who/what is/are GalaxyMage?
[07:58] <Burgundavia> http://www.galaxymage.org/index.php/Main_Page
[07:59] <Madpilot> that looks kind of cool
[07:59] <Burgundavia> very cool
[07:59] <Burgundavia> cool, my blog is worth nothing
[08:01] <jsgotangco> have you heard of the gallium project :)
[08:02] <Burgundavia> googling
[08:03] <Burgundavia> http://www.nongnu.org/gallium/
[08:03] <Burgundavia> hmm, very cool
[08:04] <jsgotangco> oh crap
[08:04] <jsgotangco> so its already used
[08:04] <jsgotangco> https://launchpad.net/products/gallium
[08:05] <Burgundavia> did Laser_away just register that?
[08:05] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:05] <jsgotangco> but its meant to be a kalzium replacement
[08:05] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:05] <jsgotangco> but using kalzium data
[08:05] <Burgundavia> there is already one of those, albeit dead
[08:05] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:06] <jsgotangco> but we don't code in c++ :/
[08:06] <Burgundavia> http://www.frantz.fi/index.php?page=software
[08:06] <Burgundavia> http://www.frantz.fi/software/gperiodic.php
[08:07] <jsgotangco> yeah but its been unmaintained for quite a while
[08:07] <Burgundavia> is that the c++ one you refer to?
[08:07] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:08] <Burgundavia> what about calling it Perioda?
[08:08] <Burgundavia> means perodic in esperanto
[08:08] <Burgundavia> Periodicum, which is latin
[08:09] <Burgundavia> anyway, just throwing ideas out there
[08:09] <bimberi_> galzium? ;)
[08:18] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: you around?
[08:18] <Madpilot> ya
[08:19] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: how big is that Jack Johnson concert?
[08:19] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, the recordings from etree? I've got several JJ concert recordings, they're all at least 600Mb
[08:19] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: can yer burn me a copy?
[08:20] <Madpilot> sure
[08:20] <Madpilot> I could even dump it onto the ubuntu.ca server, assuming that HD is big enough
[08:20] <Burgundavia> it is, but would rather not saturate that link
[08:20] <Madpilot> OK
[08:21] <Madpilot> Baobab tells me I have 2.7Gb of Jack Johnson music
[08:22] <Madpilot> ... the largest of which is actually only 517Mb
[08:22] <Madpilot> do you want audio CDs, or just data CDs w/ .flac files on them?
[08:23] <jsgotangco> this mono thread has gone waaayyy ot
[08:23] <jsgotangco> its all about "I" "Me" "My experience" "What I think"
[08:25] <jsgotangco> if this is how Vista is developed, it wont be done till 2010 lol
[08:25] <Burgundavia> thankfully, the decision has already been made
[08:25] <Burgundavia> they are just rearranging deck chairs now
[08:26] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:27] <Burgundavia> somebody might want to point that out, before the water gets too high
[08:30] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, I still need to know: audio CDs, or everything on a data DVD for those concerts?
[08:39] <carthik> Hi, Is there a way to upload a text file to the wiki?
[08:40] <carthik> It is basically a chat log - that I have to rewrite as a tutorial of sorts - I don't want it uglifying a wiki page.
[08:41] <Burgundavia> carthik: hmm, there are tags for that
[08:41] <robitaille> carthik,  what I usually do is a cut and paste of the text file, put within  a {{{   }}} pair
[08:41] <Burgundavia> right, that is it
[08:42] <carthik> robitaille, nice, but since this is 400+ lines long, I was hesitant to do that. Burgundavia I scanned almost all the help pages - would you please let me know if you find it?
[08:42] <dsas> carthik: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PageName?action=AttachFile to attach files.
[08:42] <robitaille> carthik,  for the meeting logs, I did some very long one that way.  Just use select-all in gedit :)
[08:43] <carthik> robitaille, let me try that.
[08:43] <carthik> thanks dsas
[08:48] <carthik> Boy! the wiki is slow. :)
[08:53] <carthik> Did both: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Merging-and-Syncing
[08:53] <carthik> Thanks a lot, everyone.
[09:27] <mdke> Burgundavia: sure. You've always had them. I'll add bimberi
[09:27] <Burgundavia> mdke: umm, tried and it failed
[09:28] <mdke> Burgundavia: as CoreyBurger?
[09:28] <Burgundavia> hmm, should check to see if I am logged in
[09:29] <Burgundavia> hmm, logged in
[09:29] <Burgundavia> no, I am CoreyBurger2
[09:29] <mdke> CoreyBurger is in the list.
[09:29] <mdke> not CoreyBurger2
[09:30] <Burgundavia> CoreyBurger is my wikiname from the old wiki, pre-LP auth
[09:30] <Burgundavia> yes, I am that old
[09:30] <mdke> I think you can change WikiNames on launchpad, not sure
[09:31] <mdke> let me know how you get on and if necessary I can change it to 2
[09:31] <mdke> bbl
[09:31] <carthik> https://launchpad.net/people/your-name-here/+editwikinames ?
[09:32] <Burgundavia> carthik: not sure if that will actually change anything
[09:32] <Burgundavia> I would rather not play with it until I get confirmation from somebody on the LP team it will not screw up
[09:33] <carthik> Burgundavia, alright - maybe I just popped in without context. excuse me :)
[09:33] <Burgundavia> it is possible the wiki still contains information about a CoreyBurger and will not realize that this CoreyBurger2 is actaully the same person
[10:26] <mdke> Burgundavia: I don't see any other Corey Burgers in launchpad, you should be fine
[10:26] <Burgundavia> mdke: concerned about the wiki engine, not lp
[10:27] <mdke> Burgundavia: the wiki engine only uses lp for authentication
[10:27] <Burgundavia> it has no memory for these things?
[10:27] <mdke> I had MatthewEast as my wikiname before LP too
[10:27] <mdke> not that I know of
[10:29] <Burgundavia> right, will try it
[10:30] <Burgundavia> The Ubuntu WikiName CoreyBurger is already registered by Corey Burger.
[10:30] <Burgundavia> umm, that didn't work
[10:30] <Burgundavia> looks like LP remembers the old information
[10:30] <Burgundavia> and corey-burger-merged is dead
[10:31] <mdke> sounds like a bug
[10:31] <Burgundavia> likely
[10:31] <mdke> do you want me to add CoreyBurger2 for now, or do you want to talk to a lp admin about it?
[10:32] <Burgundavia> either
[10:32] <mdke> both then
[10:33] <mdke> what's bimberi's realname?
[10:33] <mdke> ah, got it
[10:52] <Burgundavia> night
[10:52] <Madpilot> night
[11:28] <mdke> mpt__: around?
[11:36] <mpt__> mdke, yo
[11:36] <mdke> mpt: have you tried edgy yet? Wondered what you thought about the new yelp table of contents
[11:40] <mpt> mdke, I don't have the skillz to fix LP development problems on Edgy, but I've seen the screenshot from GimpNet/#docs of the new ToC
[11:40] <mpt> It's a minor improvement, but I still think there shouldn't be a table of contents at all :-)
[11:41] <mdke> I don't think it will sit well with our docs
[11:41] <mdke> the left hand side does not really tie in well with our docs
[11:41] <mdke> http://www.donscorgie.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/yelp-new-toc.png
[11:42] <mdke> however, if we depart from it, we have the challenge of trying to ensure that all those categories of documents are available somehow
[11:43] <mdke> we could do it by integrating those categories in the desktop guide, I suppose, it would be a fair bit of work
[11:43] <mpt> That's one of the reasons for having a custom front page, isn't it?
[11:44] <mdke> I don't follow
[11:46] <mpt> so as not to have a table of contents on the front page
[11:47] <mdke> yes, but I was pointing out that if we avoid the table of contents, we will need to integrate all those pages that appear on the left hand side somewhere within our documents, such as in the desktop guide
[11:49] <mdke> otherwise they won't appear at all
[11:51] <mdke> it might be a tough task
[12:41] <mpt> mdke, the table of contents doesn't appear on the front page in Dapper either
[12:41] <mpt> what am I missing?
[12:49] <bimberi> mdke: DavidSymons (just to verify) and thanks
[12:52] <mdke> bimberi: cool.
[12:52] <mdke> mpt: it's under the heading "Other document categories"
[01:06] <mdke> mpt: it's under the heading "Other document categories"
[01:35] <mdke> lloydinho: argh, that support page hurts my eyes
[01:36] <mdke> proposal 1 seems to be the same as the current one, right?
[01:37] <mdke> dammit, why is it that whenever I talk to someone they ping out
[01:37] <mdke> 2:35:58 < mdke> lloydinho: argh, that support page hurts my eyes
[01:37] <mdke> 12:36:53 < mdke> proposal 1 seems to be the same as the current one, right?
[01:39] <mdke> gah
[01:39] <mdke> I need to and get myself blessed or something
[01:40] <lloydinho> hey mdke, sorry! X-chat keeps crashing whenever people ping me..
[01:41] <mdke> ah, I'll avoid that
[01:42] <mdke> lloyd: did you see anything above?
[01:42] <lloydinho> no. Not at all.
[01:42] <mdke> about the support page
[01:42] <lloydinho> I think I'll have to switch to another IRC client soon.
[01:42] <lloydinho> yes?
[01:42] <mdke> proposal 1 doesn't differ from the current one, right?
[01:43] <mdke> I find proposal 2 painful to look at, but I replied on-list now
[01:43] <lloydinho> Not much, it just adds a link to the local languages support page.
[01:44] <mdke> right, that link should definitely be there, well spotted
[01:46] <lloydinho> thanks. About the aggressive colours on the buttons, you're probably right.
[01:47] <mdke> what's the rationale behind buttons in the first place? it's not something used on other pages, afaik
[01:48] <lloydinho> Well, to make it easy to access the relevant support options.
[01:48] <lloydinho> Just one click on the button, and you're on #ubuntu-users..
[01:49] <mdke> are those irc links supported on Ubuntu? I thought they weren;t
[01:49] <mdke> but if so, we could have those links without buttons
[01:49] <mdke> perhaps it is their size that bothers me
[01:50] <lloydinho> Hmm. Well, I couldn't get them to work properly, so maybe they aren't. But it would be a neat thing to have.
[01:50] <mdke> I'm not 100% sure that moin even supports linking on an image tbh
[01:50] <lloydinho> Well, the ones that the art team came up with initially were even bigger.
[01:50] <lloydinho> really?
[01:50] <lloydinho> I thought it did. I'll have to check again.
[01:51] <lloydinho> The size of the buttons are mostly in order to contain the text as well.
[01:52] <lloydinho> anyway, the problem I sought to solve was, when you access the Community Support page, it isn't immediately obvious where you should click to get support.
[01:52] <lloydinho> With the big buttons there, it should be self-evident.
[01:53] <mdke> can we improve that by better headings (i.e. use the headings you have used in the buttons) and adding icons?
[01:54] <lloydinho> quite possibly.
[01:54] <mdke> let's try the heading change now
[01:55] <lloydinho> okay. will you do it or should I?
[01:56] <mdke> I'll do it directly on the website
[01:56] <mdke> it's a minor change really
[01:56] <lloydinho> okay. Cool.
[01:57] <mdke> what about removing "bug tracker" and "the ubuntu website" sections, they don't really have support at all.
[01:57] <lloydinho> yes, I did remove that in my mockup.
[01:59] <lloydinho> I think maybe we'll add a section on "Community Tools" to introduce Malone, Rosetta etc. in the Contribute doc.
[01:59] <mdke> cool
[01:59] <mdke> ok, I've done the change, waiting for it to appear on the live website
[01:59] <mdke> ok, it's there
[02:01] <lloydinho> is this the support/free page?
[02:01] <lloydinho> I don't see any changes at all.
[02:01] <mdke> reload?
[02:02] <mdke> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/free?action=diff&rev2=8&rev1=4 are my changes
[02:03] <lloydinho> okay, now I got them. Strange..
[02:04] <lloydinho> looks better, I think. Maybe it would help if the headers were directly clickable..?
[02:05] <lloydinho> A bigger target would be easier to hit.
[02:05] <mdke> you can't link headings in moin
[02:06] <mdke> we could make them normal (bold) text with links, I suppose
[02:06] <mdke> or do some css trickery, maybe
[02:06] <lloydinho> Hm. More technical limitations, I don't know how much hassle it would be worth.
[02:16] <manicka> mdke, the discussion is taking shape in your udsf forum post
[02:16] <mdke> for some reason i'm not getting emails from the forum, hrumph
[02:16] <lloydinho> mdke: it seems that you can link through images in MoinMoin 1.5: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MacroMarket/ImageLink
[02:17] <mdke> lloydinho: good. Hopefully we'll be upgrading soon
[02:17] <lloydinho> That would be neat. 
[02:17] <mdke> otherwise, that macro could be added, perhaps
[02:18] <lloydinho> well, I suppose there are a lot of ways to do it.
[05:53] <dholbach> hell
[05:53] <dholbach> o
[05:53] <dholbach> :)
[05:54] <dholbach> can somebody add CategoryPDA to the pages links from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PDATestersDocumentation?
[05:54] <dholbach> they're all on help.ubuntu.com :-(
[05:55] <mdke> dholbach: hmm?
[05:55] <mdke> I don't see that page at all
[05:55] <mdke> ah, missed a slash
[05:55] <dholbach> ah yeah, sorry
[05:55] <dholbach> ahhh no
[05:55] <dholbach> category won't work
[05:55] <dholbach> as it's on another namespace
[05:55] <dholbach> ungh
[05:55] <mdke> you want us to add a CategoryPDA to the documentation wiki?
[05:56] <dholbach> I doubt it makes sense, as there are two different namespaces... no?
[05:57] <mdke> well, it makes sense, but for a different reason. We like topic based categories on the documentation wiki
[05:57] <mdke> but it won't affect wiki.ubuntu.com, no
[05:58] <dholbach> ok
[05:59] <mdke> dholbach: btw links 2 and 3 on the page you linked are the same
[05:59] <dholbach> fixed, thanks