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| zul | @schedule montreal | 04:40 |
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| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Montreal: 03 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 09 Aug 17:00: Kubuntu | 10 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 04:40 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 09 Aug 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 09 Aug 21:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 10 Aug 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Aug 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 16 Aug 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | ||
| mdz | sfllaw,BenC,rodarvus,infinity,ogra,mvo,pitti,Kamion,Riddell,dholbach,iwj,Keybuk,seb128,doko,heno: ping | 08:50 |
| doko | pong | 08:50 |
| dholbach | mdz: pong | 08:50 |
| mvo | good morning mdz | 08:50 |
| sfllaw | mdz: Pong. | 08:51 |
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| pitti | Hi | 08:51 |
| rodarvus | mdz, pong | 08:51 |
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| Riddell | pong | 08:54 |
| mdz | BenC,infinit,Kamion,iwj,Keybuk,heno: 2 minutes | 08:58 |
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| cyphase | there needs to be a meeting bot | 08:59 |
| cyphase | ;) | 08:59 |
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| cyphase | to handle all the pings/pongs | 08:59 |
| fschoep | Good morning everyone. | 09:00 |
| pitti | hi fschoep | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | that was fast | 09:00 |
| mdz | hmm, fschoep needed to leave early and so wanted to go first | 09:00 |
| mdz | but I didn't think quite this early | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | haha | 09:00 |
| zul | morning | 09:00 |
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| mdz | fschoep: you wanted to go first, yes? | 09:01 |
| fschoep | No that was last time. | 09:01 |
| fschoep | I've got a long day ahead of me. | 09:01 |
| fschoep | But no problem anyway - | 09:01 |
| fschoep | Done: | 09:01 |
| fschoep | * wide-theme-selector: updated spec, can someone take a peek? | 09:01 |
| fschoep | * art-polish-human-icons: finish list of icons that need work | 09:01 |
| fschoep | Ongoing: | 09:01 |
| fschoep | * ubuntu-art-login-manager, ubuntu-art-login-splash, ubuntu-art-usplash, ubuntu-art-wallpaper: cull proposals, choose direction | 09:01 |
| fschoep | * art-polish-human-gtk-theme: identify areas for improvement, now with community backing till 10th of August | 09:01 |
| fschoep | * ubuntu-art-complete-highcontrast-icons, : find and document icons which need work | 09:01 |
| fschoep | In the spotlight this week: | 09:01 |
| fschoep | * several sound engineers joined the art mailing list, sounds like good news | 09:01 |
| fschoep | Questions from Theme Teams and community: | 09:01 |
| fschoep | * Are the Tango icons going to be included in Edgy by default? | 09:01 |
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| mdz | fschoep: have you heard from kwwii? | 09:02 |
| zakame | hi all | 09:02 |
| fschoep | two times this week, regarding Wiesbaden and media artwork. | 09:02 |
| fschoep | I haven't heard him about (not) attending this meeting though. | 09:02 |
| mdz | fschoep: do you have an idea when artwork will start to land in edgy? | 09:02 |
| fschoep | Yes, sure. | 09:02 |
| fschoep | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan | 09:03 |
| mdz | fschoep: starting this week then? | 09:03 |
| fschoep | Not really. It's a bit more complicated - shall I elaborate here? | 09:04 |
| mdz | no, please mail | 09:04 |
| mdz | thanks fschoep | 09:04 |
| fschoep | Anyone else interested? | 09:04 |
| mdz | sfllaw: next | 09:04 |
| dholbach | fschoep: you can include me in the loop | 09:04 |
| fschoep | Can someone please answer whether or not Tango icons are included by default in Edgy? | 09:04 |
| rodarvus | fschoep, please CC me | 09:05 |
| mdz | sfllaw: hello? | 09:05 |
| dholbach | fschoep: Mark made the decision last time, but let's move the discussion to #ubuntu-devel or something | 09:05 |
| rodarvus | I'm interested to hear to pass information to edubuntu artowrk | 09:05 |
| Kamion | on my way, just charging through the excess scrollback I have here - had to pick up the child from his dad's | 09:05 |
| rodarvus | s/$/team/ | 09:05 |
| fschoep | dholbach:, rodarvus: check | 09:05 |
| mdz | fschoep: just send to -devel so everyone is in the loop | 09:06 |
| ogra | fschoep, me too please (edubuntu) | 09:06 |
| Kamion | (made it) | 09:06 |
| ogra | even better | 09:06 |
| fschoep | mdz: ogra: check | 09:06 |
| mdz | sfllaw: if you fell asleep in your chair, ping when you wake up | 09:06 |
| mdz | rodarvus: next | 09:06 |
| rodarvus | Done: | 09:07 |
| rodarvus | * Finished update of X.Org video drivers | 09:07 |
| rodarvus | * Mucho work on X bugs (mainly xorg-server & drivers + escalated support bugs) | 09:07 |
| rodarvus | * Large Edubuntu/OLPC Administrativia | 09:07 |
| rodarvus | * Investigated X.Org patches from Fedora (turned out to be not so many, but at least half a dozen apper to be quite valuable) | 09:07 |
| rodarvus | ToDo: | 09:07 |
| rodarvus | * More bugs | 09:07 |
| rodarvus | * Finish implementation of fully-automatic-swap-server | 09:07 |
| rodarvus | * Work on OLPC if time permits | 09:07 |
| mdz | rodarvus: X has settled out OK on my hardware; is there much more on your todo list there? | 09:07 |
| rodarvus | X.Org transition is basically completed, barriing known bugs | 09:07 |
| mdz | ok | 09:07 |
| rodarvus | mdz, I have about two or three more bugx on xorg-srever | 09:08 |
| rodarvus | and two nasty font-related bugs | 09:08 |
| rodarvus | more stuff for drivers, but these are really hard to track | 09:08 |
| mdz | thanks rodarvus | 09:08 |
| rodarvus | thank you | 09:08 |
| mdz | rodarvus: best to get the driver bugs forwarded upstream | 09:08 |
| mdz | ogra: next | 09:08 |
| rodarvus | *nods* | 09:08 |
| ogra | * this-week: | 09:09 |
| ogra | - setting up ltsp lab | 09:09 |
| ogra | - started thinclient-local-devices | 09:09 |
| ogra | - started student-control-panel-completion | 09:09 |
| ogra | - move done ! (only need to find my stuff in this 100s of boxes now) | 09:09 |
| ogra | - screensaver for dapper-updates | 09:09 |
| ogra | * next-week: | 09:09 |
| ogra | - knot2 (or point release ?) | 09:09 |
| ogra | - hunting ltsp bugs | 09:09 |
| ogra | - more thinclient-local-devices | 09:09 |
| ogra | - student-control-panel-completion | 09:09 |
| ogra | * specs: | 09:09 |
| ogra | - student-control-panel-completion: (waiting for approval, started) | 09:09 |
| ogra | - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs: (in progress, needs spec additions (to be discussed with elmo)) | 09:09 |
| ogra | - ltsp-convergence: (no progress) | 09:09 |
| ogra | - ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (no progress) | 09:09 |
| ogra | - thinclient-local-devices (started) | 09:09 |
| Kamion | ogra: knot2/point-release> both, I hope ... | 09:09 |
| ogra | i'd like to mention that i'll likely be in michigan in sept for a ltsp hackfest for ltsp-convergence | 09:10 |
| ogra | Kamion, ugh ... | 09:10 |
| ogra | thats haevy testing stuff | 09:10 |
| mdz | ogra: ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration? | 09:10 |
| ogra | *heavy | 09:10 |
| ogra | whoops, lost in the c&p | 09:10 |
| Kamion | ogra: noted, but probably needs to be done anyway; I don't plan to do them on the same day or anything! | 09:10 |
| ogra | ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration (not started yet) | 09:10 |
| mdz | ogra: LP says Started | 09:10 |
| ogra | well, i have some code, but its not in yet and i didnt work further one it | 09:11 |
| ogra | *on | 09:11 |
| mdz | ok, so not resumed yet ;-) | 09:11 |
| ogra | (started in dapper) | 09:11 |
| ogra | yeah :) | 09:11 |
| mdz | thanks ogra | 09:11 |
| mdz | mvo: next | 09:11 |
| mvo | Did: | 09:11 |
| mvo | - Summer of code mentoring | 09:11 |
| mvo | - 3rd party software stuff | 09:11 |
| mvo | - update-manager work: | 09:11 |
| mvo | * initial dist-upgrader version for dapper->edgy | 09:11 |
| mvo | * display where a update comes from [update-manager-edgy] | 09:11 |
| mvo | - gnome-app-install work: | 09:11 |
| mvo | * rewrote the desktop/icon extraction to better support kde and re-run it on the archive | 09:11 |
| mvo | * profiling/caching (not that much progress yet) | 09:12 |
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| mvo | - misc (gksu, apt-listchange, lp) | 09:12 |
| mvo | - send translated-package-descriptions custom launchpad upload script to cprov for inclusion (available on dogfood already) [apt-ddtp] | 09:12 |
| mvo | - uploaded new software-properties that implementes "easy-popcon-pariticipation" (via Statistics tab) | 09:12 |
| mvo | Will do: | 09:12 |
| mvo | - more 3rd party software (press-release pending) | 09:12 |
| mvo | - look into what aptitudes needs to natively work with the new apt auto-remove | 09:12 |
| mvo | - gnome-app-install work (speedup, more popcon support) | 09:12 |
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| seb128 | hi | 09:12 |
| === pitti hugs seb128 | ||
| ogra | mdz, oh, sorry o also forgot about SoC, willowng had its first upload | 09:12 |
| === seb128 hugs pitti | ||
| ogra | s/o/i/ | 09:12 |
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| mdz | mvo: ok, great, thanks | 09:13 |
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| mvo | thank you | 09:13 |
| mdz | pitti: next | 09:13 |
| pitti | Done: | 09:13 |
| pitti | * security updates: thunderbird/enigmail, gnupg, tiff | 09:13 |
| pitti | * automated-problem-reports: | 09:13 |
| pitti | - discussed UI frontend with mpt, who gave me a complete redesign which is really pleasing now (thank you!) | 09:13 |
| pitti | - implemented new UI design, uploaded | 09:13 |
| pitti | - backend is BLOCKED: needs changed kernel implementation of crash dump helper calling | 09:13 |
| pitti | * pkg-create-dbgsym: deployed on the buildds and active during package builds; fixed a few bugs which caused FTBFS (.ddebs are thrown away ATM, though) | 09:13 |
| sfllaw | mdz: Ping. | 09:13 |
| pitti | * interviewed security engineer applicants; very good candidates amongst them, yay! | 09:13 |
| pitti | * for the record, the mysterious apt-ftparchive failure on the daily langpacks several times is fixed now | 09:13 |
| pitti | * built and tested fresh re-based dapper langpacks | 09:13 |
| pitti | * misc: new g-v-m, better cdbs-edit-patch, | 09:13 |
| pitti | To Do: | 09:13 |
| pitti | * automated-problem-reports: some UI polish, discuss update-notifier fixes with mvo, discuss KDE frontend with Riddell | 09:13 |
| mdz | sfllaw: everything ok? | 09:13 |
| pitti | * pkg-create-dbgsym: discussion with infinity about cowboying .ddebs to a public inofficial place | 09:13 |
| pitti | * more security updates, as always | 09:13 |
| pitti | mvo: will you have some time today/tomorrow to discuss the update-notifier stuff? | 09:13 |
| mvo | pitti: yes, that should be possible | 09:14 |
| sfllaw | mdz: Chair sleeppage. | 09:14 |
| mdz | pitti: is there a straightforward way to test/demo a-p-r? | 09:14 |
| sfllaw | It's pretty early over here. | 09:14 |
| pitti | mdz: apt-get install apport-gtk | 09:14 |
| pitti | mdz: and then have something crash | 09:14 |
| pitti | mdz: I just noticed that 0.5 with the new UI FTBFSed, fixing right now (missing build-dep) | 09:14 |
| mdz | pitti: will kill -SEGV work? | 09:14 |
| pitti | mdz: but the UI in 0.3 works as well | 09:14 |
| seb128 | pitti: still no bt though? | 09:14 |
| pitti | mdz: yes, it will | 09:15 |
| pitti | right, no backtraces | 09:15 |
| pitti | <pitti> - backend is BLOCKED: needs changed kernel implementation of crash dump helper calling | 09:15 |
| mdz | pitti: maybe a call for testing with instructions would be good | 09:15 |
| pitti | I discussed this with BenC, but I'm not sure whether he needs more discussion | 09:15 |
| pitti | mdz: I intended to do that once it actually works | 09:15 |
| mdz | pitti: yes, hmm, sounds like it's not straightforward to test/demo at this point because it won't work :-) | 09:16 |
| pitti | mdz: well, you'll get a report with all information but a backtrace | 09:16 |
| mdz | pitti: is there a timeline for .ddeb support in soyuz? | 09:16 |
| pitti | mdz: I did not get a timeline from the soyuz guys | 09:16 |
| mdz | pitti: oh, so the hook works and launches the app, but it can't get the stack? | 09:16 |
| pitti | but PPA and security are higher on the list | 09:16 |
| pitti | mdz: right | 09:17 |
| pitti | mdz: mainly because gdb cannot attach to the crashed process, since that is in deep kernel sleep | 09:17 |
| mdz | pitti: is there a spec in LP for .ddebs so that we can track it? | 09:17 |
| pitti | mdz: it's a design problem right now, I have a better design now | 09:17 |
| pitti | mdz: not right now (spec) | 09:17 |
| pitti | when I discussed that with the LP guys, they said they don't need one | 09:17 |
| pitti | but maybe it's better to create one | 09:18 |
| mdz | pitti: that seems odd; it would be good to have it on their roadmap | 09:18 |
| mdz | but ok | 09:18 |
| mdz | pitti: thanks | 09:18 |
| mdz | sfllaw: next | 09:18 |
| sfllaw | Done | 09:18 |
| sfllaw | * Test plan for QuietenGrub | 09:18 |
| sfllaw | * Talked with BenC about kernel crash dumps and kprobes | 09:18 |
| sfllaw | * Hug day | 09:18 |
| sfllaw | * Bug triaging | 09:18 |
| sfllaw | * Talked to nags about LDTP. Got cr3 involved in this | 09:18 |
| sfllaw | To do | 09:18 |
| sfllaw | * More test plans | 09:18 |
| sfllaw | * Bug triaging | 09:18 |
| sfllaw | * Talk with Kamion | 09:18 |
| sfllaw | * Help zul get involved with test plans | 09:18 |
| sfllaw | * Teach MOTUs how to bug triage with a course on Friday | 09:18 |
| Kamion | our timezones/free-times have not synced up well, sorry - let's try early evening my time / morning your time | 09:19 |
| mdz | sfllaw: talk with Kamion about what? | 09:19 |
| Kamion | revive-tasksel testing | 09:19 |
| mdz | ah | 09:19 |
| mdz | sfllaw: ok, thanks | 09:20 |
| sfllaw | Welcome. | 09:20 |
| mdz | Kamion: next | 09:20 |
| Kamion | Done: | 09:20 |
| Kamion | dapper-point-release-process: SPARC fixes done; David Miller is testing them. Still trying to get the images down to size. Unapproved queue holding steady. Should be ready to start widespread testing today or so. | 09:20 |
| Kamion | ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: First cut at backend component done; it can build a correct-looking cache of what partman thinks of the partition layout, and it should be able to create, edit, and delete partitions. Seems to validate general approach. | 09:20 |
| Kamion | migration-assistant: Reviewed various chunks of work from my Google Summer of Code student, and uploaded the first packages to universe. | 09:20 |
| mdz | fschoep: could you email kwwii and find out what happened? | 09:20 |
| Kamion | ubiquity: Rewrote localechooser's encoding handling to clear up bugs like #47742 (carried over from previous weeks). | 09:20 |
| Kamion | Blocked: | 09:21 |
| Kamion | revive-tasksel: Still waiting for Soyuz deployment before final sign-off. | 09:21 |
| fschoep | mdz: sure, no problem | 09:21 |
| Kamion | To do: | 09:21 |
| Kamion | ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: Next step is to glue a plain partition list display and a few buttons onto the front of this. Will need to handle resizing in the backend soon as well. | 09:21 |
| Kamion | dapper-point-release-process: Do all the rest of it ... | 09:21 |
| fschoep | mdz: Not sure if I can get instant replies though. | 09:21 |
| Kamion | sort of a short week this week - meeting schedule meant it was only four days between meetings, and I was away for two of those | 09:21 |
| dholbach | will the sparc fixes be about bug 50778 too? | 09:22 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 50778 in Ubuntu "Installer (partitioner) fails on Sun T2000 rev. 2" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/50778 | 09:22 |
| mdz | fschoep: wasn't expecting an instant response | 09:22 |
| Riddell | mdz, fschoep: kwwii said he was away until distro sprint, no answer on his phone so I guess he's left already | 09:22 |
| mdz | Riddell: ah | 09:22 |
| fschoep | Riddell: I thought he was leaving on the tenth? | 09:22 |
| Kamion | dholbach: not to my knowledge, no | 09:22 |
| mdz | Kamion: ok, thanks | 09:22 |
| Riddell | fschoep: not sure, didn't get a date, I could be wrong | 09:22 |
| mdz | Riddell: next | 09:22 |
| mvo | Kamion: will the point release most likely happen this or next week? | 09:22 |
| dholbach | Kamion: somebody in GNOME land told me about that one | 09:22 |
| Riddell | done: KDE 3.5.4, HAL changes for 3.5.4, langpacks-desktopfiles-kde, trying out pyqt 4 (preparation for kubuntu-hwdb-client) | 09:23 |
| fschoep | mdz: Riddell: I'll try to find out and report back soon. | 09:23 |
| Kamion | mvo: this, I hope | 09:23 |
| Riddell | next week: catch up with some community contributions on kubuntu-laptop-buttons, kubuntu-power-management, kubuntu-system-settings-usability. mvo's pyKDE konsole patch | 09:23 |
| dholbach | Riddell: some guys asked for an exception for cmake (to make kde4 happen) - is kde4 somehow a target for edgy? | 09:24 |
| pitti | ah, right, we need to sanitize the hal mount scripts | 09:24 |
| mdz | Riddell: of your other specs, how many of those should still be targeting edgy? are you working on them all personally or are some of them other people's projects? | 09:24 |
| Riddell | mdz: the ones mentioned in "next week" all have other people working on them | 09:24 |
| mdz | Riddell: are the ones you mention above being worked on primarily by others? | 09:24 |
| mdz | Riddell: could you update LP to reflect that? | 09:24 |
| mdz | right now they're all assigned to you | 09:25 |
| Riddell | dholbach: it's hoped that we'll have the build tools for it (so kde developers will all use kubuntu :) | 09:25 |
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| Riddell | mdz: ok | 09:25 |
| dholbach | Riddell: nice, i told them to proceed with the upload. | 09:25 |
| mdz | Riddell: also, langpacks-desktopfiles-kde is status Unknown in LP | 09:25 |
| doko | Riddell: will we demote qt3 for edgy to universe? | 09:26 |
| Riddell | mdz: it's done bar some final testing and rebuilding all of KDE, I'll update that too | 09:26 |
| Riddell | doko: no, nowhere close to that | 09:26 |
| mdz | Riddell: ok, thanks | 09:26 |
| mdz | dholbach: next | 09:26 |
| dholbach | Done | 09:26 |
| dholbach | * GNOME 2.14.3 (dapper-udpates) | 09:26 |
| dholbach | * Bug Triage | 09:26 |
| dholbach | * Hug Day | 09:26 |
| dholbach | * galago uploads done, gossip begun to use it, beagle somewhat unhappy with it (will look at it some more) | 09:26 |
| dholbach | To do | 09:26 |
| dholbach | * more Bug Triage | 09:26 |
| dholbach | * GNOME 2.15.91 (next week) | 09:27 |
| dholbach | * more MOTU love (get a REVU day done, more easier-motuing | 09:27 |
| dholbach | ) | 09:27 |
| mdz | dholbach: oh, the bug day already happened? I thought it was tomorrow for some reason | 09:28 |
| mdz | did we recruit anyone new for ubuntu-qa? | 09:28 |
| imbrandon | yesterday ;) | 09:28 |
| dholbach | it was yesterday and it was quite good, especially http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/BugState | 09:28 |
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| zul | whoops | 09:28 |
| dholbach | quite a bunch of people worked on GNOME bugs and cleaned up some old ones - I'm quite happy with that | 09:29 |
| Amaranth | so that's why random people were closing alacarte bugs :) | 09:29 |
| imbrandon | and 3 or 4 of us on KDE bugs ;) | 09:29 |
| dholbach | (and new people joined in the bug triage as well) - the notice was just a bit short | 09:29 |
| mdz | the bug stats look fairly flat | 09:29 |
| mdz | I guess that's from the scale | 09:29 |
| sfllaw | mdz: I was hoping for a differences graph. | 09:30 |
| sfllaw | That would be more significant. | 09:30 |
| seb128 | sfllaw: any luck you give an hand on desktop bugs maybe? :) | 09:30 |
| dholbach | desktop bugs are really tough, i can't seem to get below 300 un-answered mails | 09:30 |
| mdz | sfllaw: that should be doable in cricket; talk to stub | 09:30 |
| seb128 | same for me | 09:30 |
| doko | dholbach: that page is more like gnome bugs ... | 09:30 |
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| dholbach | doko: it's the page of the desktop team :) | 09:31 |
| doko | dholbach: how do I add packages to the desktop team? ;-P | 09:31 |
| seb128 | doko: you don't :p | 09:31 |
| dholbach | doko: don't even think about it | 09:31 |
| mdz | sfllaw: sounds like seb128 and dholbach could use some hands-on assistance in the trenches | 09:31 |
| seb128 | yep, really | 09:31 |
| mdz | dholbach: thanks | 09:32 |
| dholbach | mdz: de rien | 09:32 |
| mdz | Keybuk: next | 09:32 |
| Keybuk | Done: | 09:32 |
| Keybuk | * ReplacementInit; continuing work, had some problems this week with testing and have sadly found that rebooting workstation works the best | 09:32 |
| Keybuk | * BootMessageLogging: decided how to handle jobs that do require a real console | 09:32 |
| Keybuk | To do: | 09:32 |
| Keybuk | * Two days off | 09:32 |
| Keybuk | * Further development work | 09:32 |
| mdz | Keybuk: rebooting your workstation works better than using a different machine? | 09:33 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 09:33 |
| Keybuk | different machine means copying modified source over, rebuilding it there, and rebooting that | 09:33 |
| Keybuk | it was ... annoying | 09:33 |
| mdz | Keybuk: is boot-message-logging Started then, or not yet? | 09:34 |
| Keybuk | somewhere between limbo and started | 09:34 |
| mdz | ok | 09:34 |
| mdz | thanks Keybuk | 09:34 |
| Keybuk | I'm not convinced what I have is the right implementation | 09:34 |
| mdz | seb128: next | 09:34 |
| seb128 | This week: | 09:34 |
| seb128 | - load of bugs triaged | 09:34 |
| seb128 | - GNOME 2.14.3 and some desktop fixes for dapper-updates | 09:34 |
| seb128 | . | 09:34 |
| seb128 | Next week: | 09:34 |
| seb128 | - catching up with mails and SoC lag | 09:34 |
| seb128 | - GNOME 2.15.91 | 09:34 |
| seb128 | - keep triaging bugs, load and load of them still to work on | 09:34 |
| seb128 | . | 09:35 |
| seb128 | Note: | 09:35 |
| seb128 | - would be nice to announce useful things for the team by a mail. By example I was sort of expecting that we would get a mail about something like 6.06.1 some weeks before it (we really figured about it from what Colin said to the previous meeting). Other example: dapper-proposed, looks something useful to me and I only learnt about it some days ago because doko and pitti was speaking on IRC about it | 09:35 |
| mdz | seb128: is the bug volume still so high since dapper? | 09:35 |
| seb128 | mdz: yep, doesn't go down | 09:35 |
| mdz | hmm, I didn't think -proposed actually existed/worked yet | 09:36 |
| seb128 | I've not caught up since my week of vac, paris summit, guadec | 09:36 |
| Kamion | mdz: doko's been uploading to it, seems to work | 09:36 |
| seb128 | my "unread" (ie: to reply to) count is around 300 | 09:36 |
| dholbach | To me it seems that the amount of new bugs is the same, but the noise is less. | 09:36 |
| Kamion | we didn't actually know it worked until doko tried, though | 09:36 |
| doko | seb128: dapper-proposed is mentioned in some spec (I think dapper-point-one-release), but I agree, it's hard to find these (like display of the NEW queue in lp) | 09:36 |
| mdz | sfllaw: please help them out and see if you can recruit some ongoing help as well. maybe the three of you could put together a call for help to -devel-announce? | 09:36 |
| seb128 | doko: you don't expect everybody reading every spec in case something useful is hidding there? :p | 09:37 |
| ogra | -proposed was announced anywhere (fridge ? ) | 09:37 |
| ogra | i think in the ubuntu news ... | 09:37 |
| mdz | Kamion: are there packages in there which need review for the point release? | 09:37 |
| seb128 | I would really have liked to have 6.06.1 announce early though | 09:37 |
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| Kamion | I think for the moment it's best to use -proposed only for carefully-selected things; I'm not quite sure about the workflow yet | 09:37 |
| seb128 | I would have organized desktop fixing some other way around and worked dapper fixes before edgy updates | 09:37 |
| mdz | we've talked about the point release fairly regularly; I thought everyone was aware | 09:38 |
| seb128 | speaking on IRC is sort of not really formal | 09:38 |
| Kamion | mdz: openoffice.org and kin | 09:38 |
| seb128 | I didn't realize it was NOW until the comments from Kamion previous week | 09:38 |
| mdz | seb128: agreed, for folks who only follow the lists it probably seemed like short notice | 09:38 |
| seb128 | I didn't even know for sure we were rolling new CD images | 09:38 |
| Kamion | that's the whole point :-) | 09:39 |
| seb128 | might be my fault too, but too many lists, IRC chans, wiki, etc to follow ... have proper announce mails is nice for informations like that | 09:39 |
| mdz | we should announce the target date more in advance next time, so that everyone can get in proposals for updates | 09:39 |
| seb128 | thank you | 09:39 |
| mdz | Kamion: add a note to DapperPointReleaseProcess about that? | 09:39 |
| mvo | is there a second point release planed? | 09:39 |
| Kamion | mdz: ok, will do | 09:40 |
| mdz | mvo: of dapper you mean? that's unclear | 09:40 |
| Kamion | mvo: in principle, but no schedule | 09:40 |
| imbrandon | over three years i'm sure there will be a few mvo | 09:40 |
| mvo | is was wondering if I should try to upload a pending notification-daemon fix | 09:40 |
| mvo | but I'm a bit concerned that it is now way too short | 09:40 |
| Kamion | uploading dapper updates meeting the usual criteria is valuable even if they miss the point release | 09:40 |
| mvo | and it won't get enough testing | 09:40 |
| mdz | mvo: don't rush it to try to make this point release; users will still download updates | 09:40 |
| Kamion | but yes, now isn't the best time for things which need lots of testing | 09:41 |
| === mvo nods | ||
| mdz | thanks seb128 | 09:41 |
| mdz | doko: next | 09:41 |
| doko | - this week | 09:41 |
| doko | - openoffice.org 2.0.3: done for dapper-proposed and edgy, ia32-libs updates for dapper-proposed and edgy | 09:41 |
| doko | - edgy-toolchain: benchmarking/testing the -mtune=generic patches using the pystone benchmark. | 09:41 |
| doko | - java-roadmap: ecj-bootstrap update, merging the classpath 0.92 release branch to the trunk, upload of a first gcj-4.2 package building gcjwebplugin-4.2; first attempt to merge the FC backport of classpath-0.92 to gcc-4.1 | 09:41 |
| doko | - other: ia32-libs updates for -security | 09:41 |
| doko | - learned that OOo doesn't belong to the desktop | 09:41 |
| doko | - next week | 09:41 |
| doko | - decide if OOo 2.0.3 gets included in the dapper point release | 09:41 |
| doko | - java-roadmap: merge some more packages from main (requesting UVF exceptions). | 09:41 |
| doko | - python-roadmap: updates of the application packages in main to the new policy; packages providing modules are done. | 09:41 |
| doko | - python2.5: 2.5 beta3 update | 09:41 |
| doko | - updating one or two machines to edgy | 09:41 |
| doko | - other: time frame for the testing / experimental buildd's? | 09:41 |
| Kamion | doko: 2.0.3> where "next week" is "today" I hope | 09:41 |
| mdz | doko: "doesn't belong to the desktop"? | 09:42 |
| doko | Kamion: yes, or tomorrow. we need to check the CD sizes as well. | 09:42 |
| === pitti thinks that a huge package like OO.o would really make sense on the CDs | ||
| Kamion | doko: today please | 09:42 |
| doko | mdz: nah, the desktop team sees the desktop without OOo, nothing more. missed a :-/, :-(, ;-) | 09:43 |
| mdz | OOo doesn't play very nicely with the rest of the desktop :-P | 09:43 |
| doko | Kamion: ok, is there an easy way to do that? | 09:43 |
| dholbach | doko: OOo and firefox are ... projects of their own ;) | 09:43 |
| mdz | Kamion: have you heard from Ian recently? | 09:44 |
| Kamion | doko: -> #ubuntu-devel after meeting | 09:44 |
| Kamion | mdz: hmm, no, shall I phone him? | 09:44 |
| mdz | Kamion: no, I'll mail | 09:44 |
| doko | dholbach: no, we're doing *one* desktop, IMHO we should not transport this view to the users | 09:44 |
| doko | Kamion: ok | 09:44 |
| mdz | and BenC as well | 09:45 |
| seb128 | doko: we don't have the manpower to not special case firefox and openoffice | 09:45 |
| mdz | did I miss anyone? | 09:45 |
| zul | me.. | 09:45 |
| seb128 | doko: dholbach and I are already over bug-worked without those | 09:45 |
| mdz | zul: sorry, ready | 09:45 |
| mdz | ? | 09:45 |
| doko | mdz: are you ok with the upload of the -mtune-generic backport to edgy? | 09:45 |
| zul | Done: | 09:45 |
| zul | * xen testing with iwj | 09:45 |
| zul | * xen bug hunting | 09:45 |
| zul | * release xen on to the mases | 09:45 |
| zul | Todo: | 09:45 |
| zul | * xen amd64 get it working properly | 09:45 |
| zul | * kernel updates | 09:45 |
| zul | * grub triaging and bug fixing | 09:45 |
| mdz | zul: is xen suitable for casual experimentation now? | 09:45 |
| zul | yes it is | 09:46 |
| mdz | doko: I'm not familiar with that change; do I have mail about it? | 09:46 |
| zul | i was running it on my edgy workstation at work | 09:46 |
| mdz | zul: is there a basic howto of some sort? | 09:46 |
| zul | on the wiki | 09:46 |
| zul | Done: | 09:46 |
| doko | mdz: yes, the email exchange with Maxim ("what gcc version ...") | 09:46 |
| mdz | doko: if you are satisfied with the performance testing (no serious regressions), yes | 09:47 |
| zul | mdz: i probably need to update the howto as well | 09:47 |
| mdz | doko: max suggested testing on the machine that Ben has | 09:47 |
| mdz | zul: what's the name of the page? | 09:47 |
| doko | mdz: what machine does Ben have? | 09:47 |
| zul | XenOnEdgy i believe | 09:48 |
| zul | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy | 09:48 |
| mdz | doko: I forget the codename for it; Ben will be able to tell you | 09:48 |
| mdz | zul: thank you | 09:49 |
| mdz | anyone else have more updates or questions? | 09:49 |
| mdz | ok, finished ahead of schedule then | 09:50 |
| mdz | thanks everyone | 09:50 |
| dholbach | yoohoo! :) | 09:50 |
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| doko | mdz: what the test build daemons? private package archives? | 09:50 |
| sfllaw | dholbach, seb128: I will rally the troops to help you out. | 09:50 |
| mdz | doko: testing the performance | 09:50 |
| sfllaw | Let me know if you want any specific wording in the announcement. | 09:50 |
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| seb128 | sfllaw: thank you ;) | 09:51 |
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| doko | mdz: if you need a tester, I'd like to start with some python2.5 work on it | 09:51 |
| mdz | heno: good morning, we've just wrapped up but most of us are still around listening if you have an update prepared | 09:51 |
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| zul | sfllaw: when do you want to sit down and talk? obviously not now | 09:51 |
| heno | mdz: on the wiki, are we pasting? | 09:52 |
| Amaranth | where is the wiki that has all the bulleted lists that people were pasting in here? | 09:52 |
| mdz | heno: yes | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | Amaranth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelTeamMeeting20060803 | 09:53 |
| heno | Done | 09:53 |
| heno | * catch up on mail, mailing lists and [http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=145 support forum] . | 09:53 |
| heno | * Community: Held Ubuntu Access BOF at LUG Radio Live. Working with AT consultants WRT the [http://www.oatsoft.org/ OATS project] . | 09:53 |
| heno | * Magnification - work on compiz-mag is still mostly stagnant. Will focus on gnome-mag for edgy, where upstream is now making performance improvements with COMPOSITE. | 09:53 |
| heno | * Desktop speech synthesis - Orca, our chosen screen reader, has also been accepted by Gnome as the default. Waiting for result of main inclusion request to proceed with seed change. | 09:53 |
| heno | * sok: steady progress, packages available. Reads keyboard layout from xkb and uses the current layout (optional). | 09:53 |
| heno | To do | 09:53 |
| heno | * On Tuesday I'm attending the launch meeting of the OATS (Open Source Assistive Technology Software) project in London. | 09:53 |
| heno | * sok: setup bzr hosting for on LP and get help on adding it to universe. Continue to work with Chris on outstanding features like config panel and 'scanning'. | 09:53 |
| heno | * Desktop speech synthesis - Some testers are reporting problems with AT-SPI in Gnome 2.15/Edgy. Needs investigation. | 09:53 |
| heno | * livecd-access - no change - I need feedback on the proposed gfxboot changes. (sound and image files [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Specs/LiveCdAccess here] ). | 09:53 |
| sfllaw | zul: Too early. | 09:53 |
| sfllaw | zul: Tomorrow, please? | 09:53 |
| heno | hm, that didn't paste too well with the links | 09:53 |
| zul | sfllaw: sure...im going back to bed now | 09:54 |
| sfllaw | zul: Or rather, later today. Same here. | 09:54 |
| mdz | heno: that's ok, thanks | 09:54 |
| mdz | heno: you were at LRL on the first day I guess? i was there the second day | 09:54 |
| Kamion | sorry, I've been doing a million and one things as usual, will try to get to gfxboot review before I go on holiday if possible | 09:54 |
| heno | just the first day, yes, mdz | 09:55 |
| heno | Kamion: thanks, just let me know if I've got the file formats right and such | 09:55 |
| heno | in case I have to redo any of it | 09:55 |
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| zul | night everyone | 09:56 |
| pitti | thanks everyone | 09:56 |
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| dholbach | sfllaw: no specific wording, just something fancy which attracts people - maybe you can point to the wiki pages and the irc channels | 09:57 |
| Hobbsee | dholbach: what's this for? people to fix bugs? | 09:58 |
| dholbach | Hobbsee: join the desperate fight to get the bug count down | 09:59 |
| Hobbsee | dholbach: ah right. i was doing bits of that yesterday :) | 09:59 |
| dholbach | yeah :) | 09:59 |
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