[04:40] <zul> @schedule montreal
[04:40] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 03 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 09 Aug 17:00: Kubuntu | 10 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu
[08:50] <mdz> sfllaw,BenC,rodarvus,infinity,ogra,mvo,pitti,Kamion,Riddell,dholbach,iwj,Keybuk,seb128,doko,heno: ping
[08:50] <doko> pong
[08:50] <dholbach> mdz: pong
[08:50] <mvo> good morning mdz
[08:51] <sfllaw> mdz: Pong.
[08:51] <pitti> Hi
[08:51] <rodarvus> mdz, pong
[08:54] <Riddell> pong
[08:58] <mdz> BenC,infinit,Kamion,iwj,Keybuk,heno: 2 minutes
[08:59] <cyphase> there needs to be a meeting bot
[08:59] <cyphase> ;)
[08:59] <cyphase> to handle all the pings/pongs
[09:00] <fschoep> Good morning everyone.
[09:00] <pitti> hi fschoep 
[09:00] <imbrandon> heh
[09:00] <imbrandon> that was fast
[09:00] <mdz> hmm, fschoep needed to leave early and so wanted to go first
[09:00] <mdz> but I didn't think quite this early
[09:00] <imbrandon> haha
[09:00] <zul> morning
[09:01] <mdz> fschoep: you wanted to go first, yes?
[09:01] <fschoep> No that was last time.
[09:01] <fschoep> I've got a long day ahead of me.
[09:01] <fschoep> But no problem anyway -
[09:01] <fschoep> Done:
[09:01] <fschoep> * wide-theme-selector: updated spec, can someone take a peek?
[09:01] <fschoep> * art-polish-human-icons: finish list of icons that need work
[09:01] <fschoep> Ongoing:
[09:01] <fschoep> * ubuntu-art-login-manager, ubuntu-art-login-splash, ubuntu-art-usplash, ubuntu-art-wallpaper: cull proposals, choose direction
[09:01] <fschoep> * art-polish-human-gtk-theme: identify areas for improvement, now with community backing till 10th of August
[09:01] <fschoep> * ubuntu-art-complete-highcontrast-icons, : find and document icons which need work
[09:01] <fschoep> In the spotlight this week:
[09:01] <fschoep> * several sound engineers joined the art mailing list, sounds like good news
[09:01] <fschoep> Questions from Theme Teams and community:
[09:01] <fschoep> * Are the Tango icons going to be included in Edgy by default?
[09:02] <mdz> fschoep: have you heard from kwwii?
[09:02] <zakame> hi all
[09:02] <fschoep> two times this week, regarding Wiesbaden and media artwork.
[09:02] <fschoep> I haven't heard him about (not) attending this meeting though.
[09:02] <mdz> fschoep: do you have an idea when artwork will start to land in edgy?
[09:02] <fschoep> Yes, sure.
[09:03] <fschoep> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan
[09:03] <mdz> fschoep: starting this week then?
[09:04] <fschoep> Not really. It's a bit more complicated - shall I elaborate here?
[09:04] <mdz> no, please mail
[09:04] <mdz> thanks fschoep
[09:04] <fschoep> Anyone else interested?
[09:04] <mdz> sfllaw: next
[09:04] <dholbach> fschoep: you can include me in the loop
[09:04] <fschoep> Can someone please answer whether or not Tango icons are included by default in Edgy?
[09:05] <rodarvus> fschoep, please CC me
[09:05] <mdz> sfllaw: hello?
[09:05] <dholbach> fschoep: Mark made the decision last time, but let's move the discussion to #ubuntu-devel or something
[09:05] <rodarvus> I'm interested to hear to pass information to edubuntu artowrk
[09:05] <Kamion> on my way, just charging through the excess scrollback I have here - had to pick up the child from his dad's
[09:05] <rodarvus> s/$/team/
[09:05] <fschoep> dholbach:, rodarvus: check
[09:06] <mdz> fschoep: just send to -devel so everyone is in the loop
[09:06] <ogra> fschoep, me too please (edubuntu)
[09:06] <Kamion> (made it)
[09:06] <ogra> even better
[09:06] <fschoep> mdz: ogra: check
[09:06] <mdz> sfllaw: if you fell asleep in your chair, ping when you wake up
[09:06] <mdz> rodarvus: next
[09:07] <rodarvus> Done:
[09:07] <rodarvus>   * Finished update of X.Org video drivers
[09:07] <rodarvus>   * Mucho work on X bugs (mainly xorg-server & drivers + escalated support bugs)
[09:07] <rodarvus>   * Large Edubuntu/OLPC Administrativia
[09:07] <rodarvus>   * Investigated X.Org patches from Fedora (turned out to be not so many, but at least half a dozen apper to be quite valuable)
[09:07] <rodarvus> ToDo:
[09:07] <rodarvus>   * More bugs
[09:07] <rodarvus>   * Finish implementation of fully-automatic-swap-server
[09:07] <rodarvus>   * Work on OLPC if time permits
[09:07] <mdz> rodarvus: X has settled out OK on my hardware;  is there much more on your todo list there?
[09:07] <rodarvus> X.Org transition is basically completed, barriing known bugs
[09:07] <mdz> ok
[09:08] <rodarvus> mdz, I have about two or three more bugx on xorg-srever
[09:08] <rodarvus> and two nasty font-related bugs
[09:08] <rodarvus> more stuff for drivers, but these are really hard to track
[09:08] <mdz> thanks rodarvus
[09:08] <rodarvus> thank you
[09:08] <mdz> rodarvus: best to get the driver bugs forwarded upstream
[09:08] <mdz> ogra: next
[09:08] <rodarvus> *nods*
[09:09] <ogra> * this-week:
[09:09] <ogra>  - setting up ltsp lab
[09:09] <ogra>  - started thinclient-local-devices
[09:09] <ogra>  - started student-control-panel-completion
[09:09] <ogra>  - move done ! (only need to find my stuff in this 100s of boxes now)
[09:09] <ogra>  - screensaver for dapper-updates
[09:09] <ogra> * next-week:
[09:09] <ogra>  - knot2 (or point release ?) 
[09:09] <ogra>  - hunting ltsp bugs
[09:09] <ogra>  - more thinclient-local-devices
[09:09] <ogra>  - student-control-panel-completion
[09:09] <ogra> * specs: 
[09:09] <ogra>  - student-control-panel-completion: (waiting for approval, started)
[09:09] <ogra>  - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs: (in progress, needs spec additions (to be discussed with elmo))
[09:09] <ogra>  - ltsp-convergence: (no progress)
[09:09] <ogra>  - ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (no progress)
[09:09] <ogra>  - thinclient-local-devices (started)
[09:09] <Kamion> ogra: knot2/point-release> both, I hope ...
[09:10] <ogra> i'd like to mention that i'll likely be in michigan in sept for a ltsp hackfest for ltsp-convergence
[09:10] <ogra> Kamion, ugh ...
[09:10] <ogra> thats haevy testing stuff
[09:10] <mdz> ogra: ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration?
[09:10] <ogra> *heavy
[09:10] <ogra> whoops, lost in the c&p
[09:10] <Kamion> ogra: noted, but probably needs to be done anyway; I don't plan to do them on the same day or anything!
[09:10] <ogra> ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration (not started yet)
[09:10] <mdz> ogra: LP says Started
[09:11] <ogra> well, i have some code, but its not in yet and i didnt work further one it 
[09:11] <ogra> *on
[09:11] <mdz> ok, so not resumed yet ;-)
[09:11] <ogra> (started in dapper)
[09:11] <ogra> yeah :)
[09:11] <mdz> thanks ogra
[09:11] <mdz> mvo: next
[09:11] <mvo> Did:
[09:11] <mvo> - Summer of code mentoring
[09:11] <mvo> - 3rd party software stuff 
[09:11] <mvo> - update-manager work:
[09:11] <mvo>   * initial dist-upgrader version for dapper->edgy
[09:11] <mvo>   * display where a update comes from [update-manager-edgy] 
[09:11] <mvo> - gnome-app-install work:
[09:11] <mvo>   * rewrote the desktop/icon extraction to better support kde and re-run it on the archive
[09:12] <mvo>   * profiling/caching (not that much progress yet)
[09:12] <mvo> - misc (gksu, apt-listchange, lp)
[09:12] <mvo> - send translated-package-descriptions custom launchpad upload script to cprov for inclusion (available on dogfood already) [apt-ddtp] 
[09:12] <mvo> - uploaded new software-properties that implementes "easy-popcon-pariticipation" (via Statistics tab)
[09:12] <mvo> Will do:
[09:12] <mvo> - more 3rd party software (press-release pending)
[09:12] <mvo> -  look into what aptitudes needs to natively work with the new apt auto-remove
[09:12] <mvo> - gnome-app-install work (speedup, more popcon support)
[09:12] <seb128> hi
[09:12] <ogra> mdz, oh, sorry o also forgot about SoC, willowng had its first upload
[09:12] <ogra> s/o/i/
[09:13] <mdz> mvo: ok, great, thanks
[09:13] <mvo> thank you
[09:13] <mdz> pitti: next
[09:13] <pitti> Done:
[09:13] <pitti>  * security updates: thunderbird/enigmail, gnupg, tiff
[09:13] <pitti>  * automated-problem-reports:
[09:13] <pitti>   - discussed UI frontend with mpt, who gave me a complete redesign which is really pleasing now (thank you!)
[09:13] <pitti>   - implemented new UI design, uploaded
[09:13] <pitti>   - backend is BLOCKED: needs changed kernel implementation of crash dump helper calling
[09:13] <pitti>  * pkg-create-dbgsym: deployed on the buildds and active during package builds; fixed a few bugs which caused FTBFS (.ddebs are thrown away ATM, though)
[09:13] <sfllaw> mdz: Ping.
[09:13] <pitti>  * interviewed security engineer applicants; very good candidates amongst them, yay!
[09:13] <pitti>  * for the record, the mysterious apt-ftparchive failure on the daily langpacks several times is fixed now
[09:13] <pitti>  * built and tested fresh re-based dapper langpacks
[09:13] <pitti>  * misc: new g-v-m, better cdbs-edit-patch,
[09:13] <pitti> To Do:
[09:13] <pitti>  * automated-problem-reports: some UI polish, discuss update-notifier fixes with mvo, discuss KDE frontend with Riddell
[09:13] <mdz> sfllaw: everything ok?
[09:13] <pitti>  * pkg-create-dbgsym: discussion with infinity about cowboying .ddebs to a public inofficial place
[09:13] <pitti>  * more security updates, as always
[09:13] <pitti> mvo: will you have some time today/tomorrow to discuss the update-notifier stuff?
[09:14] <mvo> pitti: yes, that should be possible
[09:14] <sfllaw> mdz: Chair sleeppage.
[09:14] <mdz> pitti: is there a straightforward way to test/demo a-p-r?
[09:14] <sfllaw> It's pretty early over here.
[09:14] <pitti> mdz: apt-get install apport-gtk
[09:14] <pitti> mdz: and then have something crash
[09:14] <pitti> mdz: I just noticed that 0.5 with the new UI FTBFSed, fixing right now (missing build-dep)
[09:14] <mdz> pitti: will kill -SEGV work?
[09:14] <pitti> mdz: but the UI in 0.3 works as well
[09:14] <seb128> pitti: still no bt though?
[09:15] <pitti> mdz: yes, it will
[09:15] <pitti> right, no backtraces
   - backend is BLOCKED: needs changed kernel implementation of crash dump helper calling
[09:15] <mdz> pitti: maybe a call for testing with instructions would be good
[09:15] <pitti> I discussed this with BenC, but I'm not sure whether he needs more discussion
[09:15] <pitti> mdz: I intended to do that once it actually works
[09:16] <mdz> pitti: yes, hmm, sounds like it's not straightforward to test/demo at this point because it won't work :-)
[09:16] <pitti> mdz: well, you'll get a report with all information but a backtrace
[09:16] <mdz> pitti: is there a timeline for .ddeb support in soyuz?
[09:16] <pitti> mdz: I did not get a timeline from the soyuz guys
[09:16] <mdz> pitti: oh, so the hook works and launches the app, but it can't get the stack?
[09:16] <pitti> but PPA and security are higher on the list
[09:17] <pitti> mdz: right
[09:17] <pitti> mdz: mainly because gdb cannot attach to the crashed process, since that is in deep kernel sleep
[09:17] <mdz> pitti: is there a spec in LP for .ddebs so that we can track it?
[09:17] <pitti> mdz: it's a design problem right now, I have a better design now
[09:17] <pitti> mdz: not right now (spec)
[09:17] <pitti> when I discussed that with the LP guys, they said they don't need one
[09:18] <pitti> but maybe it's better to create one
[09:18] <mdz> pitti: that seems odd; it would be good to have it on their roadmap
[09:18] <mdz> but ok
[09:18] <mdz> pitti: thanks
[09:18] <mdz> sfllaw: next
[09:18] <sfllaw> Done
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Test plan for QuietenGrub
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Talked with BenC about kernel crash dumps and kprobes
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Hug day
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Bug triaging
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Talked to nags about LDTP.  Got cr3 involved in this
[09:18] <sfllaw> To do
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * More test plans
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Bug triaging
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Talk with Kamion
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Help zul get involved with test plans
[09:18] <sfllaw>  * Teach MOTUs how to bug triage with a course on Friday
[09:19] <Kamion> our timezones/free-times have not synced up well, sorry - let's try early evening my time / morning your time
[09:19] <mdz> sfllaw: talk with Kamion about what?
[09:19] <Kamion> revive-tasksel testing
[09:19] <mdz> ah
[09:20] <mdz> sfllaw: ok, thanks
[09:20] <sfllaw> Welcome.
[09:20] <mdz> Kamion: next
[09:20] <Kamion> Done:
[09:20] <Kamion>   dapper-point-release-process: SPARC fixes done; David Miller is testing them. Still trying to get the images down to size. Unapproved queue holding steady. Should be ready to start widespread testing today or so.
[09:20] <Kamion>   ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: First cut at backend component done; it can build a correct-looking cache of what partman thinks of the partition layout, and it should be able to create, edit, and delete partitions. Seems to validate general approach.
[09:20] <Kamion>   migration-assistant: Reviewed various chunks of work from my Google Summer of Code student, and uploaded the first packages to universe.
[09:20] <mdz> fschoep: could you email kwwii and find out what happened?
[09:20] <Kamion>   ubiquity: Rewrote localechooser's encoding handling to clear up bugs like #47742 (carried over from previous weeks).
[09:21] <Kamion> Blocked:
[09:21] <Kamion>   revive-tasksel: Still waiting for Soyuz deployment before final sign-off.
[09:21] <fschoep> mdz: sure, no problem
[09:21] <Kamion> To do:
[09:21] <Kamion>   ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: Next step is to glue a plain partition list display and a few buttons onto the front of this. Will need to handle resizing in the backend soon as well.
[09:21] <Kamion>   dapper-point-release-process: Do all the rest of it ...
[09:21] <fschoep> mdz: Not sure if I can get instant replies though.
[09:21] <Kamion> sort of a short week this week - meeting schedule meant it was only four days between meetings, and I was away for two of those
[09:22] <dholbach> will the sparc fixes be about bug 50778 too?
[09:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50778 in Ubuntu "Installer (partitioner) fails on Sun T2000 rev. 2" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50778
[09:22] <mdz> fschoep: wasn't expecting an instant response
[09:22] <Riddell> mdz, fschoep: kwwii said he was away until distro sprint, no answer on his phone so I guess he's left already
[09:22] <mdz> Riddell: ah
[09:22] <fschoep> Riddell: I thought he was leaving on the tenth?
[09:22] <Kamion> dholbach: not to my knowledge, no
[09:22] <mdz> Kamion: ok, thanks
[09:22] <Riddell> fschoep: not sure, didn't get a date, I could be wrong
[09:22] <mdz> Riddell: next
[09:22] <mvo> Kamion: will the point release most likely happen this or next week?
[09:22] <dholbach> Kamion: somebody in GNOME land told me about that one
[09:23] <Riddell> done: KDE 3.5.4, HAL changes for 3.5.4, langpacks-desktopfiles-kde, trying out pyqt 4 (preparation for kubuntu-hwdb-client)
[09:23] <fschoep> mdz: Riddell: I'll try to find out and report back soon.
[09:23] <Kamion> mvo: this, I hope
[09:23] <Riddell> next week: catch up with some community contributions on kubuntu-laptop-buttons, kubuntu-power-management, kubuntu-system-settings-usability.  mvo's pyKDE konsole patch
[09:24] <dholbach> Riddell: some guys asked for an exception for cmake (to make kde4 happen) - is kde4 somehow a target for edgy?
[09:24] <pitti> ah, right, we need to sanitize the hal mount scripts
[09:24] <mdz> Riddell: of your other specs, how many of those should still be targeting edgy?  are you working on them all personally or are some of them other people's projects?
[09:24] <Riddell> mdz: the ones mentioned in "next week" all have other people working on them
[09:24] <mdz> Riddell: are the ones you mention above being worked on primarily by others?
[09:24] <mdz> Riddell: could you update LP to reflect that?
[09:25] <mdz> right now they're all assigned to you
[09:25] <Riddell> dholbach: it's hoped that we'll have the build tools for it (so kde developers will all use kubuntu :)
[09:25] <Riddell> mdz: ok
[09:25] <dholbach> Riddell: nice, i told them to proceed with the upload.
[09:25] <mdz> Riddell: also, langpacks-desktopfiles-kde is status Unknown in LP
[09:26] <doko> Riddell: will we demote qt3 for edgy to universe?
[09:26] <Riddell> mdz: it's done bar some final testing and rebuilding all of KDE, I'll update that too
[09:26] <Riddell> doko: no, nowhere close to that
[09:26] <mdz> Riddell: ok, thanks
[09:26] <mdz> dholbach: next
[09:26] <dholbach> Done
[09:26] <dholbach>     * GNOME 2.14.3 (dapper-udpates)
[09:26] <dholbach>     * Bug Triage
[09:26] <dholbach>     * Hug Day
[09:26] <dholbach>     * galago uploads done, gossip begun to use it, beagle somewhat unhappy with it (will look at it some more)
[09:26] <dholbach> To do
[09:26] <dholbach>     * more Bug Triage
[09:27] <dholbach>     * GNOME 2.15.91 (next week)
[09:27] <dholbach>     * more MOTU love (get a REVU day done, more easier-motuing
[09:27] <dholbach> )
[09:28] <mdz> dholbach: oh, the bug day already happened? I thought it was tomorrow for some reason
[09:28] <mdz> did we recruit anyone new for ubuntu-qa? 
[09:28] <imbrandon> yesterday ;)
[09:28] <dholbach> it was yesterday and it was quite good, especially http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/BugState
[09:28] <zul> whoops
[09:29] <dholbach> quite a bunch of people worked on GNOME bugs and cleaned up some old ones - I'm quite happy with that
[09:29] <Amaranth> so that's why random people were closing alacarte bugs :)
[09:29] <imbrandon> and 3 or 4 of us on KDE bugs ;)
[09:29] <dholbach> (and new people joined in the bug triage as well) - the notice was just a bit short
[09:29] <mdz> the bug stats look fairly flat
[09:29] <mdz> I guess that's from the scale
[09:30] <sfllaw> mdz: I was hoping for a differences graph.
[09:30] <sfllaw> That would be more significant.
[09:30] <seb128> sfllaw: any luck you give an hand on desktop bugs maybe? :)
[09:30] <dholbach> desktop bugs are really tough, i can't seem to get below 300 un-answered mails
[09:30] <mdz> sfllaw: that should be doable in cricket; talk to stub
[09:30] <seb128> same for me
[09:30] <doko> dholbach: that page is more like gnome bugs ...
[09:31] <dholbach> doko: it's the page of the desktop team :)
[09:31] <doko> dholbach: how do I add packages to the desktop team? ;-P
[09:31] <seb128> doko: you don't :p
[09:31] <dholbach> doko: don't even think about it
[09:31] <mdz> sfllaw: sounds like seb128 and dholbach could use some hands-on assistance in the trenches
[09:31] <seb128> yep, really
[09:32] <mdz> dholbach: thanks
[09:32] <dholbach> mdz: de rien
[09:32] <mdz> Keybuk: next
[09:32] <Keybuk> Done:
[09:32] <Keybuk>  * ReplacementInit; continuing work, had some problems this week with testing and have sadly found that rebooting workstation works the best
[09:32] <Keybuk>  * BootMessageLogging: decided how to handle jobs that do require a real console
[09:32] <Keybuk> To do:
[09:32] <Keybuk>  * Two days off
[09:32] <Keybuk>  * Further development work
[09:33] <mdz> Keybuk: rebooting your workstation works better than using a different machine?
[09:33] <Keybuk> yeah
[09:33] <Keybuk> different machine means copying modified source over, rebuilding it there, and rebooting that
[09:33] <Keybuk> it was ... annoying
[09:34] <mdz> Keybuk: is boot-message-logging Started then, or not yet?
[09:34] <Keybuk> somewhere between limbo and started
[09:34] <mdz> ok
[09:34] <mdz> thanks Keybuk
[09:34] <Keybuk> I'm not convinced what I have is the right implementation
[09:34] <mdz> seb128: next
[09:34] <seb128> This week:
[09:34] <seb128> - load of bugs triaged
[09:34] <seb128> - GNOME 2.14.3 and some desktop fixes for dapper-updates
[09:34] <seb128> . 
[09:34] <seb128> Next week:
[09:34] <seb128> - catching up with mails and SoC lag
[09:34] <seb128> - GNOME 2.15.91
[09:34] <seb128> - keep triaging bugs, load and load of them still to work on
[09:35] <seb128> . 
[09:35] <seb128> Note:
[09:35] <seb128> - would be nice to announce useful things for the team by a mail. By example I was sort of expecting that we would get a mail about something like 6.06.1 some weeks before it (we really figured about it from what Colin said to the previous meeting). Other example: dapper-proposed, looks something useful to me and I only learnt about it some days ago because doko and pitti was speaking on IRC about it
[09:35] <mdz> seb128: is the bug volume still so high since dapper?
[09:35] <seb128> mdz: yep, doesn't go down
[09:36] <mdz> hmm, I didn't think -proposed actually existed/worked yet
[09:36] <seb128> I've not caught up since my week of vac, paris summit, guadec
[09:36] <Kamion> mdz: doko's been uploading to it, seems to work
[09:36] <seb128> my "unread" (ie: to reply to) count is around 300
[09:36] <dholbach> To me it seems that the amount of new bugs is the same, but the noise is less.
[09:36] <Kamion> we didn't actually know it worked until doko tried, though
[09:36] <doko> seb128: dapper-proposed is mentioned in some spec (I think dapper-point-one-release), but I agree, it's hard to find these (like display of the NEW queue in lp)
[09:36] <mdz> sfllaw: please help them out and see if you can recruit some ongoing help as well.  maybe the three of you could put together a call for help to -devel-announce?
[09:37] <seb128> doko: you don't expect everybody reading every spec in case something useful is hidding there? :p
[09:37] <ogra> -proposed was announced anywhere (fridge ? )
[09:37] <ogra> i think in the ubuntu news ...
[09:37] <mdz> Kamion: are there packages in there which need review for the point release?
[09:37] <seb128> I would really have liked to have 6.06.1 announce early though
[09:37] <Kamion> I think for the moment it's best to use -proposed only for carefully-selected things; I'm not quite sure about the workflow yet
[09:37] <seb128> I would have organized desktop fixing some other way around and worked dapper fixes before edgy updates
[09:38] <mdz> we've talked about the point release fairly regularly; I thought everyone was aware
[09:38] <seb128> speaking on IRC is sort of not really formal
[09:38] <Kamion> mdz: openoffice.org and kin
[09:38] <seb128> I didn't realize it was NOW until the comments from Kamion previous week
[09:38] <mdz> seb128: agreed, for folks who only follow the lists it probably  seemed like short notice
[09:38] <seb128> I didn't even know for sure we were rolling new CD images
[09:39] <Kamion> that's the whole point :-)
[09:39] <seb128> might be my fault too, but too many lists, IRC chans, wiki, etc to follow ... have proper announce mails is nice for informations like that
[09:39] <mdz> we should announce the target date more in advance next time, so that everyone can get in proposals for updates
[09:39] <seb128> thank you
[09:39] <mdz> Kamion: add a note to DapperPointReleaseProcess about that?
[09:39] <mvo> is there a second point release planed?
[09:40] <Kamion> mdz: ok, will do
[09:40] <mdz> mvo: of dapper you mean?  that's unclear
[09:40] <Kamion> mvo: in principle, but no schedule
[09:40] <imbrandon> over three years i'm sure there will be a few mvo
[09:40] <mvo> is was wondering if I should try to upload a pending notification-daemon fix
[09:40] <mvo> but I'm a bit concerned that it is now way too short
[09:40] <Kamion> uploading dapper updates meeting the usual criteria is valuable even if they miss the point release
[09:40] <mvo> and it won't get enough testing
[09:40] <mdz> mvo: don't rush it to try to make this point release; users will still download updates
[09:41] <Kamion> but yes, now isn't the best time for things which need lots of testing
[09:41] <mdz> thanks seb128
[09:41] <mdz> doko: next
[09:41] <doko> - this week
[09:41] <doko>   - openoffice.org 2.0.3: done for dapper-proposed and edgy, ia32-libs updates for dapper-proposed and edgy
[09:41] <doko>   - edgy-toolchain: benchmarking/testing the -mtune=generic patches using the pystone benchmark.
[09:41] <doko>   - java-roadmap: ecj-bootstrap update, merging the classpath 0.92 release branch to the trunk, upload of a first gcj-4.2 package building gcjwebplugin-4.2; first attempt to merge the FC backport of classpath-0.92 to gcc-4.1
[09:41] <doko>   - other: ia32-libs updates for -security
[09:41] <doko>   - learned that OOo doesn't belong to the desktop
[09:41] <doko> - next week
[09:41] <doko>   - decide if OOo 2.0.3 gets included in the dapper point release
[09:41] <doko>   - java-roadmap: merge some more packages from main (requesting UVF exceptions).
[09:41] <doko>   - python-roadmap: updates of the application packages in main to the new policy; packages providing modules are done.
[09:41] <doko>   - python2.5: 2.5 beta3 update
[09:41] <doko>   - updating one or two machines to edgy
[09:41] <doko> - other: time frame for the testing / experimental buildd's?
[09:41] <Kamion> doko: 2.0.3> where "next week" is "today" I hope
[09:42] <mdz> doko: "doesn't belong to the desktop"?
[09:42] <doko> Kamion: yes, or tomorrow. we need to check the CD sizes as well.
[09:42] <Kamion> doko: today please
[09:43] <doko> mdz: nah, the desktop team sees the desktop without OOo, nothing more. missed a :-/, :-(, ;-)
[09:43] <mdz> OOo doesn't play very nicely with the rest of the desktop :-P
[09:43] <doko> Kamion: ok, is there an easy way to do that?
[09:43] <dholbach> doko: OOo and firefox are ... projects of their own ;)
[09:44] <mdz> Kamion: have you heard from Ian recently?
[09:44] <Kamion> doko: -> #ubuntu-devel after meeting
[09:44] <Kamion> mdz: hmm, no, shall I phone him?
[09:44] <mdz> Kamion: no, I'll mail
[09:44] <doko> dholbach: no, we're doing *one* desktop, IMHO we should not transport this view to the users
[09:44] <doko> Kamion: ok
[09:45] <mdz> and BenC as well
[09:45] <seb128> doko: we don't have the manpower to not special case firefox and openoffice
[09:45] <mdz> did I miss anyone?
[09:45] <zul> me..
[09:45] <seb128> doko: dholbach and I are already over bug-worked without those
[09:45] <mdz> zul: sorry, ready
[09:45] <mdz> ?
[09:45] <doko> mdz: are you ok with the upload of the -mtune-generic backport to edgy?
[09:45] <zul> Done:
[09:45] <zul> * xen testing with iwj
[09:45] <zul> * xen bug hunting
[09:45] <zul> * release xen on to the mases
[09:45] <zul> Todo:
[09:45] <zul> * xen amd64 get it working properly
[09:45] <zul> * kernel updates
[09:45] <zul> * grub triaging and bug fixing
[09:45] <mdz> zul: is xen suitable for casual experimentation now?
[09:46] <zul> yes it is
[09:46] <mdz> doko: I'm not familiar with that change; do I have mail about it?
[09:46] <zul> i was running it on my edgy workstation at work
[09:46] <mdz> zul: is there a basic howto of some sort?
[09:46] <zul> on the wiki
[09:46] <zul> Done:
[09:46] <doko> mdz: yes, the email exchange with Maxim ("what gcc version ...")
[09:47] <mdz> doko: if you are satisfied with the performance testing (no serious regressions), yes
[09:47] <zul> mdz: i probably need to update the howto as well
[09:47] <mdz> doko: max suggested testing on the machine that Ben has
[09:47] <mdz> zul: what's the name of the page?
[09:47] <doko> mdz: what machine does Ben have?
[09:48] <zul> XenOnEdgy i believe
[09:48] <zul> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[09:48] <mdz> doko: I forget the codename for it; Ben will be able to tell you
[09:49] <mdz> zul: thank you
[09:49] <mdz> anyone else have more updates or questions?
[09:50] <mdz> ok, finished ahead of schedule then
[09:50] <mdz> thanks everyone
[09:50] <dholbach> yoohoo! :)
[09:50] <doko> mdz: what the test build daemons? private package archives?
[09:50] <sfllaw> dholbach, seb128: I will rally the troops to help you out.
[09:50] <mdz> doko: testing the performance
[09:50] <sfllaw> Let me know if you want any specific wording in the announcement.
[09:51] <seb128> sfllaw: thank you ;)
[09:51] <doko> mdz: if you need a tester, I'd like to start with some python2.5 work on it
[09:51] <mdz> heno: good morning, we've just wrapped up but most of us are still around listening if you have an update prepared
[09:51] <zul> sfllaw: when do you want to sit down and talk? obviously not now
[09:52] <heno> mdz: on the wiki, are we pasting?
[09:52] <Amaranth> where is the wiki that has all the bulleted lists that people were pasting in here?
[09:52] <mdz> heno: yes
[09:53] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelTeamMeeting20060803
[09:53] <heno> Done
[09:53] <heno>  * catch up on mail, mailing lists and [http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=145 support forum] .
[09:53] <heno>  * Community: Held Ubuntu Access BOF at LUG Radio Live. Working with AT consultants WRT the [http://www.oatsoft.org/ OATS project] .
[09:53] <heno>  * Magnification - work on compiz-mag is still mostly stagnant. Will focus on gnome-mag for edgy, where upstream is now making performance improvements with COMPOSITE.
[09:53] <heno>  * Desktop speech synthesis - Orca, our chosen screen reader, has also been accepted by Gnome as the default. Waiting for result of main inclusion request to proceed with seed change.
[09:53] <heno>  * sok: steady progress, packages available. Reads keyboard layout from xkb and uses the current layout (optional).
[09:53] <heno> To do
[09:53] <heno>  * On Tuesday I'm attending the launch meeting of the OATS (Open Source Assistive Technology Software) project in London. 
[09:53] <heno>  * sok: setup bzr hosting for on LP and get help on adding it to universe. Continue to work with Chris on outstanding features like config panel and 'scanning'.
[09:53] <heno>  * Desktop speech synthesis - Some testers are reporting problems with AT-SPI in Gnome 2.15/Edgy. Needs investigation.
[09:53] <heno>  * livecd-access - no change - I need feedback on the proposed gfxboot changes. (sound and image files [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Specs/LiveCdAccess here] ).
[09:53] <sfllaw> zul: Too early.
[09:53] <sfllaw> zul: Tomorrow, please?
[09:53] <heno> hm, that didn't paste too well with the links 
[09:54] <zul> sfllaw: sure...im going back to bed now
[09:54] <sfllaw> zul: Or rather, later today.  Same here.
[09:54] <mdz> heno: that's ok, thanks
[09:54] <mdz> heno: you were at LRL on the first day I guess? i was there the second day
[09:54] <Kamion> sorry, I've been doing a million and one things as usual, will try to get to gfxboot review before I go on holiday if possible
[09:55] <heno> just the first day, yes, mdz
[09:55] <heno> Kamion: thanks, just let me know if I've got the file formats right and such
[09:55] <heno> in case I have to redo any of it
[09:56] <zul> night everyone
[09:56] <pitti> thanks everyone
[09:57] <dholbach> sfllaw: no specific wording, just something fancy which attracts people - maybe you can point to the wiki pages and the irc channels
[09:58] <Hobbsee> dholbach: what's this for?  people to fix bugs?
[09:59] <dholbach> Hobbsee: join the desperate fight to get the bug count down
[09:59] <Hobbsee> dholbach: ah right.  i was doing bits of that yesterday :)
[09:59] <dholbach> yeah :)
[05:32] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[05:32] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Aug 23:00: Kubuntu | 15 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 18 Aug 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team