=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 03 Aug 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 09 Aug 21:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 10 Aug 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Aug 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 16 Aug 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu === teckfatt [n=teckfatt@AC8D286F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === teckfatt_ [n=teckfatt@AC8D286F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@CPE-144-137-231-113.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:40] @schedule montreal [04:40] Schedule for America/Montreal: 03 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 09 Aug 17:00: Kubuntu | 10 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === FunnyHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B2995.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-222-20.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyphase [n=cyphase@adsl-75-2-141-211.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Ragol [i=rajala37@mozart.cc.tut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra2_ [n=ogra2@p548AF115.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A66598.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 09 Aug 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 09 Aug 21:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 10 Aug 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Aug 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 16 Aug 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu [08:50] sfllaw,BenC,rodarvus,infinity,ogra,mvo,pitti,Kamion,Riddell,dholbach,iwj,Keybuk,seb128,doko,heno: ping [08:50] pong [08:50] mdz: pong [08:50] good morning mdz [08:51] mdz: Pong. === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:51] Hi [08:51] mdz, pong === ogra yawns === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:54] pong [08:58] BenC,infinit,Kamion,iwj,Keybuk,heno: 2 minutes === fschoep [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pitti hands mdz a missing y to ping infinity [08:59] there needs to be a meeting bot [08:59] ;) === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:59] to handle all the pings/pongs [09:00] Good morning everyone. [09:00] hi fschoep [09:00] heh [09:00] that was fast [09:00] hmm, fschoep needed to leave early and so wanted to go first [09:00] but I didn't think quite this early [09:00] haha [09:00] morning === fschoep [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:01] fschoep: you wanted to go first, yes? [09:01] No that was last time. [09:01] I've got a long day ahead of me. [09:01] But no problem anyway - [09:01] Done: [09:01] * wide-theme-selector: updated spec, can someone take a peek? [09:01] * art-polish-human-icons: finish list of icons that need work [09:01] Ongoing: [09:01] * ubuntu-art-login-manager, ubuntu-art-login-splash, ubuntu-art-usplash, ubuntu-art-wallpaper: cull proposals, choose direction [09:01] * art-polish-human-gtk-theme: identify areas for improvement, now with community backing till 10th of August [09:01] * ubuntu-art-complete-highcontrast-icons, : find and document icons which need work [09:01] In the spotlight this week: [09:01] * several sound engineers joined the art mailing list, sounds like good news [09:01] Questions from Theme Teams and community: [09:01] * Are the Tango icons going to be included in Edgy by default? === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:02] fschoep: have you heard from kwwii? [09:02] hi all [09:02] two times this week, regarding Wiesbaden and media artwork. [09:02] I haven't heard him about (not) attending this meeting though. [09:02] fschoep: do you have an idea when artwork will start to land in edgy? [09:02] Yes, sure. [09:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan [09:03] fschoep: starting this week then? [09:04] Not really. It's a bit more complicated - shall I elaborate here? [09:04] no, please mail [09:04] thanks fschoep [09:04] Anyone else interested? [09:04] sfllaw: next [09:04] fschoep: you can include me in the loop [09:04] Can someone please answer whether or not Tango icons are included by default in Edgy? [09:05] fschoep, please CC me [09:05] sfllaw: hello? [09:05] fschoep: Mark made the decision last time, but let's move the discussion to #ubuntu-devel or something [09:05] I'm interested to hear to pass information to edubuntu artowrk [09:05] on my way, just charging through the excess scrollback I have here - had to pick up the child from his dad's [09:05] s/$/team/ [09:05] dholbach:, rodarvus: check [09:06] fschoep: just send to -devel so everyone is in the loop [09:06] fschoep, me too please (edubuntu) [09:06] (made it) [09:06] even better [09:06] mdz: ogra: check [09:06] sfllaw: if you fell asleep in your chair, ping when you wake up [09:06] rodarvus: next [09:07] Done: [09:07] * Finished update of X.Org video drivers [09:07] * Mucho work on X bugs (mainly xorg-server & drivers + escalated support bugs) [09:07] * Large Edubuntu/OLPC Administrativia [09:07] * Investigated X.Org patches from Fedora (turned out to be not so many, but at least half a dozen apper to be quite valuable) [09:07] ToDo: [09:07] * More bugs [09:07] * Finish implementation of fully-automatic-swap-server [09:07] * Work on OLPC if time permits [09:07] rodarvus: X has settled out OK on my hardware; is there much more on your todo list there? [09:07] X.Org transition is basically completed, barriing known bugs [09:07] ok [09:08] mdz, I have about two or three more bugx on xorg-srever [09:08] and two nasty font-related bugs [09:08] more stuff for drivers, but these are really hard to track [09:08] thanks rodarvus [09:08] thank you [09:08] rodarvus: best to get the driver bugs forwarded upstream [09:08] ogra: next [09:08] *nods* [09:09] * this-week: [09:09] - setting up ltsp lab [09:09] - started thinclient-local-devices [09:09] - started student-control-panel-completion [09:09] - move done ! (only need to find my stuff in this 100s of boxes now) [09:09] - screensaver for dapper-updates [09:09] * next-week: [09:09] - knot2 (or point release ?) [09:09] - hunting ltsp bugs [09:09] - more thinclient-local-devices [09:09] - student-control-panel-completion [09:09] * specs: [09:09] - student-control-panel-completion: (waiting for approval, started) [09:09] - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs: (in progress, needs spec additions (to be discussed with elmo)) [09:09] - ltsp-convergence: (no progress) [09:09] - ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (no progress) [09:09] - thinclient-local-devices (started) [09:09] ogra: knot2/point-release> both, I hope ... [09:10] i'd like to mention that i'll likely be in michigan in sept for a ltsp hackfest for ltsp-convergence [09:10] Kamion, ugh ... [09:10] thats haevy testing stuff [09:10] ogra: ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration? [09:10] *heavy [09:10] whoops, lost in the c&p [09:10] ogra: noted, but probably needs to be done anyway; I don't plan to do them on the same day or anything! [09:10] ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration (not started yet) [09:10] ogra: LP says Started [09:11] well, i have some code, but its not in yet and i didnt work further one it [09:11] *on [09:11] ok, so not resumed yet ;-) [09:11] (started in dapper) [09:11] yeah :) [09:11] thanks ogra [09:11] mvo: next [09:11] Did: [09:11] - Summer of code mentoring [09:11] - 3rd party software stuff [09:11] - update-manager work: [09:11] * initial dist-upgrader version for dapper->edgy [09:11] * display where a update comes from [update-manager-edgy] [09:11] - gnome-app-install work: [09:11] * rewrote the desktop/icon extraction to better support kde and re-run it on the archive [09:12] * profiling/caching (not that much progress yet) === sivang [i=sivan@ubuntu/member/sivang] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:12] - misc (gksu, apt-listchange, lp) [09:12] - send translated-package-descriptions custom launchpad upload script to cprov for inclusion (available on dogfood already) [apt-ddtp] [09:12] - uploaded new software-properties that implementes "easy-popcon-pariticipation" (via Statistics tab) [09:12] Will do: [09:12] - more 3rd party software (press-release pending) [09:12] - look into what aptitudes needs to natively work with the new apt auto-remove [09:12] - gnome-app-install work (speedup, more popcon support) === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:12] hi === pitti hugs seb128 [09:12] mdz, oh, sorry o also forgot about SoC, willowng had its first upload === seb128 hugs pitti [09:12] s/o/i/ === dholbach hugs seb128 [09:13] mvo: ok, great, thanks === seb128 hugs dholbach [09:13] thank you [09:13] pitti: next [09:13] Done: [09:13] * security updates: thunderbird/enigmail, gnupg, tiff [09:13] * automated-problem-reports: [09:13] - discussed UI frontend with mpt, who gave me a complete redesign which is really pleasing now (thank you!) [09:13] - implemented new UI design, uploaded [09:13] - backend is BLOCKED: needs changed kernel implementation of crash dump helper calling [09:13] * pkg-create-dbgsym: deployed on the buildds and active during package builds; fixed a few bugs which caused FTBFS (.ddebs are thrown away ATM, though) [09:13] mdz: Ping. [09:13] * interviewed security engineer applicants; very good candidates amongst them, yay! [09:13] * for the record, the mysterious apt-ftparchive failure on the daily langpacks several times is fixed now [09:13] * built and tested fresh re-based dapper langpacks [09:13] * misc: new g-v-m, better cdbs-edit-patch, [09:13] To Do: [09:13] * automated-problem-reports: some UI polish, discuss update-notifier fixes with mvo, discuss KDE frontend with Riddell [09:13] sfllaw: everything ok? [09:13] * pkg-create-dbgsym: discussion with infinity about cowboying .ddebs to a public inofficial place [09:13] * more security updates, as always [09:13] mvo: will you have some time today/tomorrow to discuss the update-notifier stuff? [09:14] pitti: yes, that should be possible [09:14] mdz: Chair sleeppage. [09:14] pitti: is there a straightforward way to test/demo a-p-r? [09:14] It's pretty early over here. [09:14] mdz: apt-get install apport-gtk [09:14] mdz: and then have something crash [09:14] mdz: I just noticed that 0.5 with the new UI FTBFSed, fixing right now (missing build-dep) [09:14] pitti: will kill -SEGV work? [09:14] mdz: but the UI in 0.3 works as well [09:14] pitti: still no bt though? [09:15] mdz: yes, it will [09:15] right, no backtraces [09:15] - backend is BLOCKED: needs changed kernel implementation of crash dump helper calling [09:15] pitti: maybe a call for testing with instructions would be good [09:15] I discussed this with BenC, but I'm not sure whether he needs more discussion [09:15] mdz: I intended to do that once it actually works [09:16] pitti: yes, hmm, sounds like it's not straightforward to test/demo at this point because it won't work :-) [09:16] mdz: well, you'll get a report with all information but a backtrace [09:16] pitti: is there a timeline for .ddeb support in soyuz? [09:16] mdz: I did not get a timeline from the soyuz guys [09:16] pitti: oh, so the hook works and launches the app, but it can't get the stack? [09:16] but PPA and security are higher on the list [09:17] mdz: right [09:17] mdz: mainly because gdb cannot attach to the crashed process, since that is in deep kernel sleep [09:17] pitti: is there a spec in LP for .ddebs so that we can track it? [09:17] mdz: it's a design problem right now, I have a better design now [09:17] mdz: not right now (spec) [09:17] when I discussed that with the LP guys, they said they don't need one [09:18] but maybe it's better to create one [09:18] pitti: that seems odd; it would be good to have it on their roadmap [09:18] but ok [09:18] pitti: thanks [09:18] sfllaw: next [09:18] Done [09:18] * Test plan for QuietenGrub [09:18] * Talked with BenC about kernel crash dumps and kprobes [09:18] * Hug day [09:18] * Bug triaging [09:18] * Talked to nags about LDTP. Got cr3 involved in this [09:18] To do [09:18] * More test plans [09:18] * Bug triaging [09:18] * Talk with Kamion [09:18] * Help zul get involved with test plans [09:18] * Teach MOTUs how to bug triage with a course on Friday [09:19] our timezones/free-times have not synced up well, sorry - let's try early evening my time / morning your time [09:19] sfllaw: talk with Kamion about what? [09:19] revive-tasksel testing [09:19] ah [09:20] sfllaw: ok, thanks [09:20] Welcome. [09:20] Kamion: next [09:20] Done: [09:20] dapper-point-release-process: SPARC fixes done; David Miller is testing them. Still trying to get the images down to size. Unapproved queue holding steady. Should be ready to start widespread testing today or so. [09:20] ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: First cut at backend component done; it can build a correct-looking cache of what partman thinks of the partition layout, and it should be able to create, edit, and delete partitions. Seems to validate general approach. [09:20] migration-assistant: Reviewed various chunks of work from my Google Summer of Code student, and uploaded the first packages to universe. [09:20] fschoep: could you email kwwii and find out what happened? [09:20] ubiquity: Rewrote localechooser's encoding handling to clear up bugs like #47742 (carried over from previous weeks). [09:21] Blocked: [09:21] revive-tasksel: Still waiting for Soyuz deployment before final sign-off. [09:21] mdz: sure, no problem [09:21] To do: [09:21] ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: Next step is to glue a plain partition list display and a few buttons onto the front of this. Will need to handle resizing in the backend soon as well. [09:21] dapper-point-release-process: Do all the rest of it ... [09:21] mdz: Not sure if I can get instant replies though. [09:21] sort of a short week this week - meeting schedule meant it was only four days between meetings, and I was away for two of those [09:22] will the sparc fixes be about bug 50778 too? [09:22] Malone bug 50778 in Ubuntu "Installer (partitioner) fails on Sun T2000 rev. 2" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/50778 [09:22] fschoep: wasn't expecting an instant response [09:22] mdz, fschoep: kwwii said he was away until distro sprint, no answer on his phone so I guess he's left already [09:22] Riddell: ah [09:22] Riddell: I thought he was leaving on the tenth? [09:22] dholbach: not to my knowledge, no [09:22] Kamion: ok, thanks [09:22] fschoep: not sure, didn't get a date, I could be wrong [09:22] Riddell: next [09:22] Kamion: will the point release most likely happen this or next week? [09:22] Kamion: somebody in GNOME land told me about that one [09:23] done: KDE 3.5.4, HAL changes for 3.5.4, langpacks-desktopfiles-kde, trying out pyqt 4 (preparation for kubuntu-hwdb-client) [09:23] mdz: Riddell: I'll try to find out and report back soon. [09:23] mvo: this, I hope [09:23] next week: catch up with some community contributions on kubuntu-laptop-buttons, kubuntu-power-management, kubuntu-system-settings-usability. mvo's pyKDE konsole patch [09:24] Riddell: some guys asked for an exception for cmake (to make kde4 happen) - is kde4 somehow a target for edgy? [09:24] ah, right, we need to sanitize the hal mount scripts [09:24] Riddell: of your other specs, how many of those should still be targeting edgy? are you working on them all personally or are some of them other people's projects? [09:24] mdz: the ones mentioned in "next week" all have other people working on them [09:24] Riddell: are the ones you mention above being worked on primarily by others? [09:24] Riddell: could you update LP to reflect that? [09:25] right now they're all assigned to you [09:25] dholbach: it's hoped that we'll have the build tools for it (so kde developers will all use kubuntu :) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:25] mdz: ok [09:25] Riddell: nice, i told them to proceed with the upload. [09:25] Riddell: also, langpacks-desktopfiles-kde is status Unknown in LP [09:26] Riddell: will we demote qt3 for edgy to universe? [09:26] mdz: it's done bar some final testing and rebuilding all of KDE, I'll update that too [09:26] doko: no, nowhere close to that [09:26] Riddell: ok, thanks [09:26] dholbach: next [09:26] Done [09:26] * GNOME 2.14.3 (dapper-udpates) [09:26] * Bug Triage [09:26] * Hug Day [09:26] * galago uploads done, gossip begun to use it, beagle somewhat unhappy with it (will look at it some more) [09:26] To do [09:26] * more Bug Triage [09:27] * GNOME 2.15.91 (next week) [09:27] * more MOTU love (get a REVU day done, more easier-motuing [09:27] ) [09:28] dholbach: oh, the bug day already happened? I thought it was tomorrow for some reason [09:28] did we recruit anyone new for ubuntu-qa? [09:28] yesterday ;) [09:28] it was yesterday and it was quite good, especially http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/BugState === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:28] whoops [09:29] quite a bunch of people worked on GNOME bugs and cleaned up some old ones - I'm quite happy with that [09:29] so that's why random people were closing alacarte bugs :) [09:29] and 3 or 4 of us on KDE bugs ;) [09:29] (and new people joined in the bug triage as well) - the notice was just a bit short [09:29] the bug stats look fairly flat [09:29] I guess that's from the scale [09:30] mdz: I was hoping for a differences graph. [09:30] That would be more significant. [09:30] sfllaw: any luck you give an hand on desktop bugs maybe? :) [09:30] desktop bugs are really tough, i can't seem to get below 300 un-answered mails [09:30] sfllaw: that should be doable in cricket; talk to stub [09:30] same for me [09:30] dholbach: that page is more like gnome bugs ... === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:31] doko: it's the page of the desktop team :) [09:31] dholbach: how do I add packages to the desktop team? ;-P [09:31] doko: you don't :p [09:31] doko: don't even think about it [09:31] sfllaw: sounds like seb128 and dholbach could use some hands-on assistance in the trenches [09:31] yep, really [09:32] dholbach: thanks [09:32] mdz: de rien [09:32] Keybuk: next [09:32] Done: [09:32] * ReplacementInit; continuing work, had some problems this week with testing and have sadly found that rebooting workstation works the best [09:32] * BootMessageLogging: decided how to handle jobs that do require a real console [09:32] To do: [09:32] * Two days off [09:32] * Further development work [09:33] Keybuk: rebooting your workstation works better than using a different machine? [09:33] yeah [09:33] different machine means copying modified source over, rebuilding it there, and rebooting that [09:33] it was ... annoying [09:34] Keybuk: is boot-message-logging Started then, or not yet? [09:34] somewhere between limbo and started [09:34] ok [09:34] thanks Keybuk [09:34] I'm not convinced what I have is the right implementation [09:34] seb128: next [09:34] This week: [09:34] - load of bugs triaged [09:34] - GNOME 2.14.3 and some desktop fixes for dapper-updates [09:34] . [09:34] Next week: [09:34] - catching up with mails and SoC lag [09:34] - GNOME 2.15.91 [09:34] - keep triaging bugs, load and load of them still to work on [09:35] . [09:35] Note: [09:35] - would be nice to announce useful things for the team by a mail. By example I was sort of expecting that we would get a mail about something like 6.06.1 some weeks before it (we really figured about it from what Colin said to the previous meeting). Other example: dapper-proposed, looks something useful to me and I only learnt about it some days ago because doko and pitti was speaking on IRC about it [09:35] seb128: is the bug volume still so high since dapper? [09:35] mdz: yep, doesn't go down [09:36] hmm, I didn't think -proposed actually existed/worked yet [09:36] I've not caught up since my week of vac, paris summit, guadec [09:36] mdz: doko's been uploading to it, seems to work [09:36] my "unread" (ie: to reply to) count is around 300 [09:36] To me it seems that the amount of new bugs is the same, but the noise is less. [09:36] we didn't actually know it worked until doko tried, though [09:36] seb128: dapper-proposed is mentioned in some spec (I think dapper-point-one-release), but I agree, it's hard to find these (like display of the NEW queue in lp) [09:36] sfllaw: please help them out and see if you can recruit some ongoing help as well. maybe the three of you could put together a call for help to -devel-announce? [09:37] doko: you don't expect everybody reading every spec in case something useful is hidding there? :p [09:37] -proposed was announced anywhere (fridge ? ) [09:37] i think in the ubuntu news ... [09:37] Kamion: are there packages in there which need review for the point release? [09:37] I would really have liked to have 6.06.1 announce early though === mvo agrees with seb128 [09:37] I think for the moment it's best to use -proposed only for carefully-selected things; I'm not quite sure about the workflow yet [09:37] I would have organized desktop fixing some other way around and worked dapper fixes before edgy updates [09:38] we've talked about the point release fairly regularly; I thought everyone was aware [09:38] speaking on IRC is sort of not really formal [09:38] mdz: openoffice.org and kin [09:38] I didn't realize it was NOW until the comments from Kamion previous week [09:38] seb128: agreed, for folks who only follow the lists it probably seemed like short notice [09:38] I didn't even know for sure we were rolling new CD images [09:39] that's the whole point :-) [09:39] might be my fault too, but too many lists, IRC chans, wiki, etc to follow ... have proper announce mails is nice for informations like that [09:39] we should announce the target date more in advance next time, so that everyone can get in proposals for updates [09:39] thank you [09:39] Kamion: add a note to DapperPointReleaseProcess about that? [09:39] is there a second point release planed? [09:40] mdz: ok, will do [09:40] mvo: of dapper you mean? that's unclear [09:40] mvo: in principle, but no schedule [09:40] over three years i'm sure there will be a few mvo [09:40] is was wondering if I should try to upload a pending notification-daemon fix [09:40] but I'm a bit concerned that it is now way too short [09:40] uploading dapper updates meeting the usual criteria is valuable even if they miss the point release [09:40] and it won't get enough testing [09:40] mvo: don't rush it to try to make this point release; users will still download updates [09:41] but yes, now isn't the best time for things which need lots of testing === mvo nods [09:41] thanks seb128 [09:41] doko: next [09:41] - this week [09:41] - openoffice.org 2.0.3: done for dapper-proposed and edgy, ia32-libs updates for dapper-proposed and edgy [09:41] - edgy-toolchain: benchmarking/testing the -mtune=generic patches using the pystone benchmark. [09:41] - java-roadmap: ecj-bootstrap update, merging the classpath 0.92 release branch to the trunk, upload of a first gcj-4.2 package building gcjwebplugin-4.2; first attempt to merge the FC backport of classpath-0.92 to gcc-4.1 [09:41] - other: ia32-libs updates for -security [09:41] - learned that OOo doesn't belong to the desktop [09:41] - next week [09:41] - decide if OOo 2.0.3 gets included in the dapper point release [09:41] - java-roadmap: merge some more packages from main (requesting UVF exceptions). [09:41] - python-roadmap: updates of the application packages in main to the new policy; packages providing modules are done. [09:41] - python2.5: 2.5 beta3 update [09:41] - updating one or two machines to edgy [09:41] - other: time frame for the testing / experimental buildd's? [09:41] doko: 2.0.3> where "next week" is "today" I hope [09:42] doko: "doesn't belong to the desktop"? [09:42] Kamion: yes, or tomorrow. we need to check the CD sizes as well. === pitti thinks that a huge package like OO.o would really make sense on the CDs [09:42] doko: today please [09:43] mdz: nah, the desktop team sees the desktop without OOo, nothing more. missed a :-/, :-(, ;-) [09:43] OOo doesn't play very nicely with the rest of the desktop :-P [09:43] Kamion: ok, is there an easy way to do that? [09:43] doko: OOo and firefox are ... projects of their own ;) [09:44] Kamion: have you heard from Ian recently? [09:44] doko: -> #ubuntu-devel after meeting [09:44] mdz: hmm, no, shall I phone him? [09:44] Kamion: no, I'll mail [09:44] dholbach: no, we're doing *one* desktop, IMHO we should not transport this view to the users [09:44] Kamion: ok [09:45] and BenC as well [09:45] doko: we don't have the manpower to not special case firefox and openoffice [09:45] did I miss anyone? [09:45] me.. [09:45] doko: dholbach and I are already over bug-worked without those [09:45] zul: sorry, ready [09:45] ? [09:45] mdz: are you ok with the upload of the -mtune-generic backport to edgy? [09:45] Done: [09:45]