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| DarkMageZ | where could i find out what configure options were used in the making of particular packages? | 12:13 |
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| TheMuso | Download the source package and have a look in debian/rules. | 12:14 |
| DarkMageZ | ah :) | 12:14 |
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| TheMuso | Never mind, looks like it has been uploaded. | 12:21 |
| TheMuso | Actually no. I missread. | 12:22 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:21 |
| bddebian | So, WTF does this mean? dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is | 03:22 |
| crimsun | we call that a pebkac. | 03:22 |
| bddebian | Thanks bud | 03:23 |
| crimsun | anytime. | 03:23 |
| crimsun | a bit more context would be useful :) | 03:23 |
| bddebian | That's all I get running dpkg-buildpackage -us -nc | 03:23 |
| bddebian | But it ran the first time through..? | 03:24 |
| crimsun | which source package? | 03:24 |
| crimsun | (link immensely useful) | 03:24 |
| bddebian | attal again | 03:24 |
| crimsun | local? | 03:24 |
| bddebian | aye | 03:24 |
| crimsun | debianised source package publicly available? | 03:25 |
| bddebian | No I'm trying to build straight from CVS | 03:25 |
| bddebian | I think I started getting it after using the version you told me to? :-) | 03:26 |
| TheMuso | If any MOTu has a chance, could they please review the debdiff at the end of bug #54936 and upload please. I have been told that UVF is not yet in for us, but at the time, I thought the upstream version freeze a few weeks back also applied | 03:26 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54936 in speech-dispatcher "UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1." [Untriaged,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54936 | 03:26 |
| TheMuso | to us as well. :) | 03:26 |
| crimsun | did you rename the orig.tar.gz and everything? | 03:26 |
| bddebian | crimsun: Well that was going to be my next question. I'm not using an orig.tar.gz. Do I need to make one? I thought that was a no-no? | 03:27 |
| bddebian | TheMuso: Didn't some upload a new speech-dispatcher today? | 03:27 |
| crimsun | bddebian: yes, you need to roll an orig.tar.gz because it's not {Debian,Ubuntu}-native source | 03:27 |
| TheMuso | bddebian: No, it wasn't uploaded. | 03:28 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: where are the python bindings you mention? | 03:28 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: In the package. | 03:28 |
| ajmitch | is there not a separate python-foo package for them? | 03:28 |
| bddebian | crimsun: OK, just remove the CVS dirs and my debian dir and tar it up? | 03:28 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: No. This was a merge from debian as well. | 03:28 |
| ajmitch | so what changes are there from debian? it's a bit hard to pick them out from the debdiff :) | 03:29 |
| crimsun | bddebian: if you're positive that it will match, sure. It's probably better to do a fresh checkout and strip the CVS dirs. | 03:29 |
| ajmitch | ok, tracked down debian/changelog | 03:29 |
| bddebian | crimsun: If I'm sure it will match what? I'm sure it won't match because the themes have to be inside the build tree now. | 03:30 |
| ajmitch | and I see that there is a python-speechd, which is what I was asking about | 03:30 |
| crimsun | bddebian: IME an orig.tar.gz should be exactly what the cvs checkout is minus the vcs dirs | 03:32 |
| bddebian | crimsun: I agree but I don't think it's possible in this case | 03:32 |
| crimsun | why not? | 03:33 |
| bddebian | As I said, the themes now need to be in the build tree and they are a seperate branch on CVS | 03:33 |
| bddebian | Well I guess I didn't say that they are a different CVS branch :-) | 03:34 |
| crimsun | what does Raphael plan to do? | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: this is a nasty package | 03:36 |
| crimsun | it makes sense to have just one attal source package that generates multiple attal-themes- binaries | 03:36 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Blame the debian developer. :) | 03:36 |
| ajmitch | I expect to be able to do debuild -S without having to run configure | 03:36 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: I know. | 03:37 |
| TheMuso | Stefan Potyra was the person who originally did the first merge. I don't know whether he contacted Milan at all. | 03:37 |
| TheMuso | About it. | 03:38 |
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| bddebian | crimsun: I agree. Raphael has not responded and the attal guys are never on #attal :-( | 03:38 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: I have been enclined to actually take this up with him, because it is very hodge podge. | 03:40 |
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| TheMuso | Hey imbrandon. | 03:40 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: could be an idea | 03:41 |
| imbrandon | heya TheMuso | 03:41 |
| TheMuso | Yeah I think so. | 03:41 |
| bddebian | crimsun: I created an orig.tar.gz just to see if it would work and I get that same message :-( | 03:50 |
| crimsun | can you pastebin all the spew from when you pressed Enter? | 03:50 |
| bddebian | http://pastebin.us/2455 | 03:53 |
| crimsun | coffee shop closed, back in 2 hours post-exercise. | 03:53 |
| crimsun | (debian/{control,changelog} ?) | 03:53 |
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| TheMuso | ajmitch: I have emailed Milan, but can't expect to get an email from him till tonight sometime. | 03:55 |
| bddebian | Gah, OK, thanks crimsun | 03:55 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: do you have them up on pastebin now or not? | 03:58 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Oh, you wanna help me? | 03:59 |
| ajmitch | well TheMuso's speech-dispatcher isn't building a source package cleanly, so yes | 03:59 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: dpkg-source: cannot represent change to doc/figures/architecture.pdf: binary file contents changed | 03:59 |
| TheMuso | hm ok | 03:59 |
| ajmitch | after I got the build deps installed | 04:00 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: First couple changelog entries: http://pastebin.us/2458 | 04:01 |
| bddebian | debian/control: http://pastebin.us/2459 | 04:01 |
| ajmitch | & permissions, etc are all correct? | 04:02 |
| bddebian | afaik | 04:05 |
| TheMuso | c | 04:05 |
| bddebian | or was that not at me? | 04:05 |
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| bddebian | ajmitch: Do I need to drop the previous version changelog entries? | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | no | 04:07 |
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| bddebian | OK, now I'm really confused. All of the sudden it appears to be working and I didn't change anything.. | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: Heisenbug? | 04:23 |
| bddebian | Apparently.. | 04:23 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: When you applied the debdiff, did you get any messages about patch hunks already applied etc? | 04:23 |
| ajmitch | didn't see | 04:24 |
| ajmitch | I'll check again | 04:24 |
| TheMuso | Ok I may have ti wrong. How do you apply debdiffs? | 04:24 |
| TheMuso | it | 04:24 |
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| ajmitch | with patch -pX < whatever.debdiff | 04:25 |
| TheMuso | Hm ok. | 04:25 |
| TheMuso | I didn't have it wrong then. | 04:25 |
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| ajmitch | nah, same results | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | strange thing | 04:25 |
| TheMuso | WHat ver of the package are you applying the debdiff to? | 04:26 |
| TheMuso | THe one currently in the archives? | 04:26 |
| ajmitch | yes | 04:27 |
| TheMuso | Weird. | 04:27 |
| TheMuso | I don't know why I am getting this: | 04:28 |
| TheMuso | patching file Makefile.in | 04:28 |
| TheMuso | Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | & then I was going to get a diff against the current debian version | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | but, if you can provide a debdiff against what's in debian, it would be appreciated | 04:28 |
| TheMuso | Ok I can do that. | 04:29 |
| TheMuso | As soon as I work out why that question is being asked. | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | sure | 04:29 |
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| TheMuso | ajmitch: http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/0.6.1-2_0.6.1-2ubuntu1.diff | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | now that's much shorter to review | 04:35 |
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| ajmitch | TheMuso: looks good | 04:37 |
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| ajmitch | I'll just do a test build | 04:37 |
| TheMuso | Ok, I just realised something which I fixed in the bigger debdiff. | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | which was? | 04:38 |
| TheMuso | Put a . where it shouldn't have been. | 04:39 |
| TheMuso | If you grab the diff again its fixed | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | hm | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | ok | 04:39 |
| TheMuso | Accidentally had one in a Description line. | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | is it really that bad? | 04:39 |
| TheMuso | My punctuation is two good sometimes. | 04:39 |
| TheMuso | Well I have been pulled up for it before. | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | :) | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | I'll fix it manually if you tell me where | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | speech-dispatcher-flite description? | 04:40 |
| TheMuso | The description field for speech-dispatcher-flite in debian/control | 04:40 |
| TheMuso | Yep. | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | ok, fixed that, will tell you when the build is done & I can upload | 04:41 |
| TheMuso | Ok. | 04:41 |
| TheMuso | Thanks heaps. I am going to work with Milan about cleaning that mess up. :) | 04:41 |
| === TheMuso always is nervous when working with speech-dispatcher in its current state. :) | ||
| ajmitch | well it builds quickly | 04:42 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. | 04:42 |
| TheMuso | On a fast machine that is. | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | heh | 04:42 |
| TheMuso | Takes a while on my celeron 466. :) | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | just rebuilding it again now :) | 04:42 |
| TheMuso | Ok. | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | 2-3 minutes isn't that long.. | 04:43 |
| TheMuso | No thats true. | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: what is speech-dispatcher-festival meant to contain? | 04:49 |
| TheMuso | Tools to allow festival to work better with speech-dispatcher. | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | it looks pretty empty here | 04:50 |
| TheMuso | And it is strongly recommended for them to be used, if speech-dispatcher is configured to use festival as the synth. | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | ./usr/lib/speech-dispatcher-modules/sd_festival is in the main speech-dispatcher package | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | -rw-r--r-- root/root 1205 2006-08-03 14:43 ./usr/share/doc/speech-dispatcher-festival/README.Debian | 04:50 |
| TheMuso | Let me check | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | -rw-r--r-- root/root 925 2006-08-03 14:43 ./usr/share/doc/speech-dispatcher-festival/copyright | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | -rw-r--r-- root/root 2504 2006-08-03 14:43 ./usr/share/doc/speech-dispatcher-festival/changelog.Debian.gz | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | that's the whole contents of speech-dispatcher-festival here | 04:50 |
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| TheMuso | Hmm ok. | 04:50 |
| bddebian | Heya jaldhar | 04:50 |
| === TheMuso builds the debian version in pbuilder to have a look at what it is supposed to do. | ||
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| ajmitch | could be a debian bug | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | it's been known to happen before | 04:51 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. | 04:52 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Its a metapackage. | 04:53 |
| ajmitch | ah | 04:53 |
| TheMuso | It pulls in another, totally separate package. | 04:53 |
| ajmitch | so now you have a circular depends between speech-dispatcher & speech-dispatcher-festival | 04:54 |
| TheMuso | Ah ok. | 04:54 |
| TheMuso | Just a matter of removing the speech-dispatcher dependancy from speech-dispatcher-festival | 04:55 |
| ajmitch | as it stands at the moment, there's no benefit from having that extra metapackage | 04:55 |
| jaldhar | bddebian: hi there | 04:55 |
| ajmitch | there was in debian, because it was in Suggests | 04:55 |
| TheMuso | Yeah true. | 04:55 |
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| TheMuso | ajmitch: Ok, I have done a massive cleanup, and reworked some docs here. So what debdiff(s) would you like? | 05:12 |
| TheMuso | Clean up as in removed speech-dispatcher-fesitva | 05:12 |
| TheMuso | festival | 05:12 |
| ajmitch | debdiff against debian, if you wish | 05:13 |
| TheMuso | Doesn't bother me. | 05:14 |
| TheMuso | I can do that. | 05:14 |
| ajmitch | it'd be smaller | 05:14 |
| TheMuso | true. | 05:14 |
| ajmitch | are you sure that you want to remove speech-dispatcher-festival? | 05:14 |
| TheMuso | Well it only depends on festival-freebsoft-utils, which has the stuff in it thats needed. | 05:15 |
| TheMuso | Do you think I shouldn't? | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | it's just a bit of a change from debian | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | up to you | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | I don't use the software, and I can't say what's more useful | 05:15 |
| TheMuso | Fair enough. | 05:15 |
| TheMuso | Well I am doing some spec preparation for it, so what better time than now. :) | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | ok :) | 05:15 |
| TheMuso | Twill be going into main soon hopefully. | 05:15 |
| === TheMuso waits for pbuilder to give the all clear. | ||
| === Hobbsee watches as it FAILS on TheMuso :P | ||
| TheMuso | heh | 05:16 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: please don't | 05:17 |
| TheMuso | I'm not worried. | 05:17 |
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| Hobbsee | ajmitch: :( | 05:18 |
| === ajmitch thinks that lunch would be a great idea, if he could afford it | ||
| zul | wha...you just got a check | 05:19 |
| zul | :) | 05:19 |
| ajmitch | which takes a week or so to clear | 05:20 |
| zul | ah | 05:20 |
| tritium | We should fund ajmitch for his Summer of Lunch | 05:20 |
| bddebian | Heya tritium | 05:20 |
| ajmitch | heh | 05:20 |
| tritium | hey bddebian | 05:20 |
| ajmitch | tritium: all donations are welcome | 05:21 |
| === zul gives a can of chicken soup | ||
| tritium | ajmitch: check is in the mail ;) | 05:21 |
| ajmitch | how very helpful | 05:22 |
| TheMuso | heh | 05:23 |
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| imbrandon | heh i put everything on batery backups but my darn router LOL | 05:25 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Same link to the diff as before. | 05:25 |
| === imbrandon is dumb sometimes | ||
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| ajmitch | ok.. hopefully the proxy doesn't cache it | 05:25 |
| bluefoxicy | My package has lightbulb-hammer status in REVU | 05:25 |
| bluefoxicy | watch for broken glass. | 05:25 |
| ajmitch | that's nice | 05:25 |
| bluefoxicy | no seriously wtf are the icons | 05:26 |
| bluefoxicy | there's got to be a guide I'm missing here somewhere. | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | bluefoxicy: hove over them | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | hoer* | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | grrr | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | hover* | 05:26 |
| bluefoxicy | ah. | 05:26 |
| bluefoxicy | I didn't think of that, I tried view image to see the file name :) | 05:27 |
| TheMuso | heh | 05:27 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 05:27 |
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| bluefoxicy | wow! A package deemed "inappropriate" | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | bluefoxicy: there are a few, yes | 05:28 |
| bluefoxicy | Hobbsee: hot-babe in particular; I actually tested out RATS on that to see what it would be like using source code audit tools. | 05:29 |
| === Hobbsee heard about that in here actually. | ||
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| === bluefoxicy ran it, wondered who had this much lack of a life, and then deemed it both an ill-behaved application and a useless waste of screen real-estate | ||
| bluefoxicy | I do miss AMOR from KDE though. There needs to be a GTK+ version; I want a tiny microkitty on my screen again :) | 05:32 |
| bddebian | w00t, attal builds and installs but can't find the themes files.. :-( | 05:33 |
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| bddebian | Stupid thing is looking in /usr/local/share... instead of /usr/share.. | 05:33 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: great, only 3 lintian wanrings on the resulting debs :) | 05:34 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: do we care about htem though? | 05:34 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: it depends on what the warning is | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | yay, it's edgy, yay, the package is versioned wrong, because we're not in debian. | 05:34 |
| ajmitch | not those ones | 05:34 |
| ajmitch | W: speech-dispatcher-flite: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/lib/speech-dispatcher-modules/sd_flite /usr/lib/speech-dispatcher/ | 05:34 |
| ajmitch | ones like that | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 05:35 |
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| TheMuso | ajmitch: What is that supposed to mean? | 05:36 |
| ajmitch | that it shouldn't define rpath, because rpath is bad & wrong | 05:36 |
| TheMuso | Ah right. | 05:37 |
| ajmitch | informative, no? | 05:37 |
| ajmitch | you'd need to search google a bit for info on it | 05:37 |
| TheMuso | I have seen something like that before, with another package. | 05:37 |
| ajmitch | AM_CFLAGS = -DLOCALEDIR=\"$(localedir)\" -I/usr/include/ $(inc_local) @glib_include@ -L$(top_srcdir)/src/audio -I$(top_srcdir)/src/audio -I../../intl/ $(ibmtts_include | 05:38 |
| ajmitch | ) @SNDFILE_CFLAGS@ -Wl,--rpath -Wl,$(spdlibdir) | 05:38 |
| ajmitch | yes, that's where it's getting rpath from | 05:38 |
| Cornellius | Why is rPath wrong & bad ? | 05:38 |
| ajmitch | src/Modules/Makefile.am | 05:38 |
| ajmitch | http://wiki.debian.org/RpathIssue | 05:38 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Gah! That means one woul have to re-generate configure etc. | 05:38 |
| crimsun | Cornellius: different rPath. | 05:39 |
| ajmitch | I'm surprised that lintian didn't show it for the others | 05:39 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: it can be fixed in Makefile.in as well | 05:39 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 05:39 |
| Cornellius | Well, I was thinking about rPath Linux, as the distro. | 05:39 |
| TheMuso | I just might do that. | 05:39 |
| ajmitch | Cornellius: completely different | 05:39 |
| Cornellius | Ok | 05:39 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: it may not be necessary to get rid of it | 05:40 |
| ajmitch | "urrently, the only valid use of this feature in Debian is to add non-standard library path (like /usr/lib/<package>) to libraries that are only intended to be used by the executables (or other libraries) within the package." | 05:40 |
| ajmitch | it's probably because it's in a separate module package that it complains | 05:40 |
| TheMuso | RIght. I'd say so. | 05:40 |
| ajmitch | I think we should be fine to upload for now | 05:41 |
| ajmitch | just keep these issues in mind :) | 05:41 |
| TheMuso | That module on its own won't work with anything, but since speech-dispatcher is a dep, it should be fine | 05:41 |
| TheMuso | Will do. | 05:41 |
| ajmitch | uploading | 05:42 |
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| TheMuso | Ok. Thanks heaps once again ajmitch. | 05:42 |
| === TheMuso is not ready for MOT yet, but is learning. | ||
| TheMuso | Learning is a good thing. | 05:43 |
| ajmitch | just get Hobbsee to explain it all for you | 05:43 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: hah. | 05:43 |
| === Hobbsee cant explain anything. | ||
| TheMuso | ajmitch: I am a bit of a perfectionist. | 05:44 |
| ajmitch | you should be able to | 05:44 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: that's a good thing :) | 05:44 |
| TheMuso | And I should have known that this is what happens when you want to change a lot. :) | 05:44 |
| TheMuso | But I chose the wrong time of night to embark on that little job. | 05:44 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: so's ajmitch, dont worry | 05:44 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: I'm not worried. | 05:45 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 05:45 |
| TheMuso | I just want to get it right, and do so several times before I even consider going for MOTU. | 05:45 |
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| Hobbsee | !packagingguide > TheMuso | 05:49 |
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| === bddebian isn't ready for MOTU yet either | ||
| Hobbsee | bddebian: heh, neither. | 05:51 |
| TheMuso | Yeah you are. | 05:52 |
| TheMuso | WHy else would you have got it? | 05:52 |
| zul | bddebian: we already knew that :) | 05:53 |
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| bddebian | crimsun: Are you back? | 05:54 |
| crimsun | bddebian: of sorts, yes. I'm eating dinner atm and catching up on e-mail (~400) | 05:54 |
| bddebian | Sheesh | 05:54 |
| bddebian | It's not picking up my orig.tar.gz, it generated a new tarball.. | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | check the name, etc | 05:56 |
| bddebian | Ack, frickin' - instead of _ | 05:57 |
| imbrandon | hahah i hate when i do that | 05:57 |
| LaserJock | can somebody tell me what the deal is with GNU/Linux? | 05:58 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: The deal? | 05:58 |
| ajmitch | flamewars & name-calling | 05:58 |
| ajmitch | as jdub says | 05:58 |
| Kyral | Technically Linux refers to the Kernel | 05:59 |
| Kyral | most of the software is GNU Software | 05:59 |
| Kyral | hence "GNU/Linux" | 05:59 |
| Kyral | (and GNU/kFreeBSD) | 05:59 |
| bddebian | GNU/Hurd ;-) | 05:59 |
| Kyral | Actually since Hurd is the GNU Kernel | 06:00 |
| Kyral | isn't it just "GNU" | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | who cares? about the GNU part? | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | the software isn't all GNU | 06:00 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: RMS and zealots | 06:00 |
| Kyral | www.gnu.org | 06:00 |
| scotth | GNU/Hurd is a lie... it doesn't exist... its a conspiracy | 06:00 |
| Kyral | now Kyral go bed | 06:00 |
| bddebian | Kyral: No, Hurd is not the kernel :-) | 06:00 |
| Kyral | before in his tiredness he goes to BOFH mode over a pointless naming convention | 06:00 |
| Kyral | I use them interchangeably | 06:01 |
| bddebian | scotth: Funny that it is running on 4 of my machines at home | 06:01 |
| === jsgotangco raises his sword of the FSF | ||
| LaserJock | what I don't get is why they call it GNU? | 06:01 |
| bddebian | Mainly because of glibc | 06:01 |
| bddebian | And the toolchain | 06:02 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 06:02 |
| jsgotangco | they couldnt create GNU without creating a free toolchain | 06:02 |
| scotth | bddebian: I had it on my machine too for a while, and I used to lurk on the l4-hurd list... its a running joke in my office that the hurd is part of a massive conspiracy by the fsf | 06:02 |
| jsgotangco | so they ended up creating one | 06:02 |
| bddebian | scotth: :-) | 06:02 |
| bluefoxicy | scotth: you don't understand. The FSF *IS* a massive conspiracy. | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | ok, so why not be GNU/Linux/OO.o/Firefox/ ad nauseam | 06:03 |
| ajmitch | scotth: I think I'm still subscribed to that list | 06:03 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: unless the other projects insists heh | 06:03 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: You have to take that fight to RMS and/or #gnu ;-P | 06:03 |
| bluefoxicy | How about FOSS/Linux or STFURMS/Linux? | 06:03 |
| jsgotangco | GNU/Linux has some valid arguments though | 06:03 |
| scotth | ajmitch: I still watch it through gmane from time to time | 06:03 |
| bddebian | jsgotangco: Aye | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | ok, so RMS decided it has to be GNU/Linux? | 06:04 |
| jsgotangco | no not at all | 06:04 |
| jsgotangco | FSF != RMS | 06:04 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Realistically you could not have a just "Linux" system, since linux is merely the kernel. It wouldn't do much :-) | 06:04 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | right | 06:04 |
| jsgotangco | so the GNU utlities are on top of the kernel | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | but who cares? | 06:04 |
| jsgotangco | FSF does | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | it's all putting stuff on top of other stuff | 06:04 |
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| LaserJock | so what makes GNU special? | 06:05 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: the FSF cares because they want to promote freedom, rather than just software that doesn't suck | 06:05 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: FSF is more inclined to the philosophical/social implications rather than technical in which OSI emphasize | 06:05 |
| LaserJock | sure | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | I'm not denying any of that | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | I just don't understand why GNU is so special | 06:06 |
| bddebian | Crap what's the best syntax for removing object files out of subdirs? rm -rf */.o ? | 06:06 |
| jsgotangco | well gcc for starters | 06:06 |
| crimsun | if there's no Makefile target that does so, I'd probably use find(1) | 06:07 |
| LaserJock | I understand that gcc is is a big deal | 06:07 |
| scotth | yeah I like find for that | 06:07 |
| === imbrandon would laugh if someone compiled a bzimage in VisualStudio.NET | ||
| jsgotangco | imagine naming your distribution GNOME/GNU/Ubuntu Linux | 06:07 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 06:07 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that's my point | 06:08 |
| bddebian | crimsun: Can I get away with find ./ *.o |xargs rm -rf or would xargs fail on some shells? | 06:08 |
| crimsun | the more time we waste debating it, the less time we're spending QAing our distro. | 06:08 |
| imbrandon | crimsun: +1 | 06:08 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: i guess they don't want to dilute the GNU branding of sorts and its history/legacy for what its worth | 06:08 |
| scotth | there is always intel's compiler and ibm's for powerpc, and doesn't sun have one for slowaris? gcc isn't the only game in town | 06:09 |
| crimsun | bddebian: that would work[ or find(1)'s -exec] | 06:09 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: that's why some of us are trying to ignore this conversation & work | 06:09 |
| bddebian | crimsun and/or ajmitch: Any chance I could get one of you (or both) to check out this package if I posted it? | 06:13 |
| ajmitch | possibly | 06:14 |
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| bddebian | Well that means no :-) | 06:14 |
| TheMuso | In the packaging guide where pot files is talked about, what tool does one use for getting pot files if the package doesn't use kde? | 06:14 |
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| LaserJock | TheMuso: have no idea, I had nothing to do with that silly doc | 06:15 |
| TheMuso | hmm ok | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 06:15 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: ;-P | 06:15 |
| TheMuso | Referring to bug #55006 specifically | 06:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 55006 in freetalk "POT files not available" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/55006 | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | doh, where did Hobbsee go? | 06:16 |
| TheMuso | Off to a lecture. | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | hmm, she would know | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: the problem is I really don't know anything about the KDE stuff :( | 06:18 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 06:18 |
| crimsun | that's a quick fix. Shove a rule to generate POT in debian/rules. | 06:18 |
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| TheMuso | Yeah, but what too do I use? I was pointed to the packaging guide as to how to do it, and it is kde specific. | 06:19 |
| TheMuso | Referrs to kde specific tools that is. | 06:19 |
| crimsun | gettext, normally, for .po. Check with Riddell. | 06:21 |
| imbrandon | mkdir -p po | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | XGETTEXT=/usr/bin/kde-xgettext sh admin/cvs.sh extract-messages | 06:23 |
| bddebian | http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/attal/ if anyone has time. I've only built on dapper so far | 06:23 |
| TheMuso | hmmm ok | 06:24 |
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| bddebian | Gnight folks | 06:29 |
| imbrandon | gnight bddebian | 06:29 |
| bddebian | Night imbrandon | 06:29 |
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| imbrandon | TheMuso: are you doing 55006 | 06:35 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon: no not currently | 06:36 |
| TheMuso | take it if you want | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | kk just dident wanna dupe work | 06:36 |
| TheMuso | I was just wondering how one would take care of pot files | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ubuntu-kubuntu.html <--- very bottom of that page | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | tell how FYI | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | s/tell/tells | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | but i got it and 07 08 09 10 all are pot stuff, easy fixes | 06:38 |
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| TheMuso | imbrandon: That is kde specific. | 06:39 |
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| imbrandon | pots are only used by kde apps in rosetta afaik | 06:40 |
| TheMuso | Not afaik | 06:40 |
| TheMuso | I thought GNOME apps were as well. | 06:40 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:40 |
| ajmitch | morning dholbach | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | heya | 06:40 |
| ajmitch | you're up far too early | 06:40 |
| TheMuso | Besides. Thats not even a kde app. | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | hrm ok /me looks closer | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:40 |
| dholbach | hey ajmitch - yeah, you could say that | 06:41 |
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| Hobbsee | hi again all | 07:00 |
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| ajmitch | hello Hobbsee | 07:02 |
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| LaserJock | TheMuso: still around? | 07:09 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: he was in -bugs | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: k, he was asking about the pot stuff | 07:10 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: yes, wonder what i missed with that | 07:11 |
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| ajmitch | LaserJock: you're planning to give a MOTU school session soon? | 07:14 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: Yeah I know. | 07:14 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon and dholbach were talking about it. | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: yeah, next week | 07:15 |
| === ajmitch will have to try & attend | ||
| LaserJock | I got sfflaw to do a bug triaging session Friday | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | doh | 07:15 |
| Hobbsee | that would be cool | 07:15 |
| ajmitch | do we have logs of crimsun's session to put up on that MOTU/School page? | 07:16 |
| crimsun | carthik should. I didn't log, but I'll try to post my outline soon. | 07:16 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: when/what did you do a session? | 07:17 |
| ajmitch | I probably have logs as well | 07:17 |
| === Hobbsee didtn know about that. | ||
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: it was on merging | 07:17 |
| === imbrandon missed it | ||
| Hobbsee | and i missed it. darn. | 07:17 |
| Hobbsee | why did i not get mail notification of this? | 07:17 |
| crimsun | it turned into "when to sync instead of merge", but I guess that's as good as any. | 07:17 |
| ajmitch | sigh, one problem with setting my screen to 1600x1200 is that the fonts are just too small in firefox | 07:17 |
| imbrandon | crimsun: yup ;) | 07:17 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch: i run 1600x1200 all the time , ff seems to use the same fonts as the rest of my desktop | 07:18 |
| imbrandon | not the case in gnome ? | 07:18 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: true... | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: exactly | 07:18 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: You can tell firefox to use bigger fonts. | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: I know that :P | 07:18 |
| imbrandon | ahh ajmitch well that ok for me hehe | 07:18 |
| imbrandon | yea ctl+shift+ +/- i think, havent used that in a long time | 07:19 |
| imbrandon | at 1600x1200 i usaly just keep many aprox 1024x768 windows open on one desktop anyhow | 07:20 |
| imbrandon | so i can see irc web console etc all at the same time | 07:21 |
| crimsun | well aren't you fancyshmancy with your 1600x1200 ;-p | 07:21 |
| imbrandon | if i could get both my monitors working i would be happy | 07:21 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:21 |
| imbrandon | hehe crimsun | 07:21 |
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| imbrandon | heh my "other" monitor only does 800x600 max becouse of the 1mb trident card i got pushing it | 07:23 |
| ajmitch | ouch | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | heh yea | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | its the only spare vid card i had laying arround | 07:23 |
| ajmitch | I don't think I have any working PCI cards | 07:23 |
| ajmitch | apart from maybe the voodoo2 | 07:23 |
| ajmitch | and trying to use X on that is a real hack | 07:24 |
| imbrandon | heh i bet | 07:24 |
| crimsun | not unlike getting reasonable 3d on an s3 virge. | 07:24 |
| ajmitch | the 3d decelerator? | 07:24 |
| crimsun | yep | 07:24 |
| imbrandon | actauly that kwin Xvesa pushes the trident good at 1024x768 but i havent found how to run two seperate X's on seperate monitors yet | 07:24 |
| imbrandon | if there even is a way | 07:25 |
| imbrandon | or tinyx or what ever its called now, the DSL X server | 07:25 |
| imbrandon | basicly i just need to pickup a nvidia pci card and replace it, would make life much easier | 07:26 |
| ajmitch | they should be cheap enough if you can find them | 07:27 |
| imbrandon | yea they have them ay compu usa down the road here for under $50 | 07:27 |
| imbrandon | just havent went and done it, kinda low priority atm | 07:27 |
| imbrandon | but for now its good to have a konsole window open on the 800x600 display ;) | 07:28 |
| imbrandon | that basicly all i use it for right now | 07:28 |
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| imbrandon | whoops i thought it was a trident , guess its an old 1mb S3 | 07:30 |
| imbrandon | 01:0b.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+] | 07:30 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:30 |
| imbrandon | still same deal, old and barely usefull on desktops ( makes a good headless server card though ) | 07:31 |
| ajmitch | ah, one of them | 07:31 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 07:31 |
| ajmitch | I think I may still have a 2MB s3 in a box here | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | heheh | 07:31 |
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| dooglus | ajmitch: you know that firefox has a setting for "minimum font size", right? you don't need to control-+ in every tab | 07:32 |
| ajmitch | dooglus: yes I know that, and it was one of the first things I changed | 07:33 |
| dooglus | ok | 07:33 |
| dooglus | alternatively, there's an environment variable you can set to enable pango in firefox | 07:34 |
| === ajmitch knows all this | ||
| === ajmitch just wanted to complain | ||
| Hobbsee | ajmitch knows everything :P | 07:34 |
| === Hobbsee complains at ajmitch | ||
| imbrandon | heh | 07:34 |
| === Lathiat complains about Hobbsee's complaining | ||
| TheMuso | heh | 07:35 |
| === imbrandon larts the room | ||
| TheMuso | imbrandon: Thanks a lot. | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:35 |
| === Hobbsee complains at Lathiat about TheMuso complaining about Lathiat's complaining about her complaining | ||
| TheMuso | I am in a good mood at the moment. DO you want to change that? | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | nope /me hides | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:35 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch: you mess with bzr alot right ? mind if i ask you a few newbish questions about it | 07:36 |
| ajmitch | go ahead | 07:36 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: he bites. | 07:36 |
| imbrandon | ok the LP brz import feature from cvs/svn | 07:37 |
| ajmitch | yes...? | 07:37 |
| imbrandon | if say i wanted to import the upstream code | 07:37 |
| imbrandon | from apt-mirror | 07:37 |
| imbrandon | into a brz branch in LP | 07:37 |
| imbrandon | would it "ceep on syncing" | 07:37 |
| imbrandon | s/c/k | 07:37 |
| ajmitch | yes, it does | 07:37 |
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| ajmitch | that's more of a launchpad question though | 07:38 |
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| imbrandon | and i make my changes to another "branch" | 07:38 |
| imbrandon | heh yea but i kinda mix the two as i've never used anythgin but cvs actively ( i've grabed brz code and svn code but never commits etc ) | 07:38 |
| imbrandon | but i was wondering if a bzr branch of the apt-mirror on LP would be easy to maintain and keep in sync with upstream | 07:39 |
| imbrandon | dose it sync back the other way too ? | 07:39 |
| imbrandon | err can it | 07:39 |
| ajmitch | what do you mean by sync back the other way? | 07:39 |
| imbrandon | LP --> cvs | 07:39 |
| ajmitch | there's information that bzr stores that cvs just can't represent | 07:40 |
| ajmitch | (ie, cvs sucks) | 07:40 |
| imbrandon | ahh hrm so | 07:40 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 07:40 |
| imbrandon | yea heheh badly | 07:40 |
| imbrandon | i dont disagree there just havent used anything else | 07:40 |
| imbrandon | other than basic annon checkouts | 07:40 |
| ajmitch | it'd be easy for you to keep merging with the upstream import | 07:41 |
| ajmitch | but you'd have to submit diffs back to upstream | 07:41 |
| ajmitch | unless you get upstream cvs commit access | 07:41 |
| imbrandon | ok so LP would in a sence keep 2 copys , upstreams import and my branch ? | 07:41 |
| ajmitch | of course | 07:41 |
| ajmitch | you may have several branches of something | 07:42 |
| imbrandon | and then i just make simple patches as like right now and send upstream | 07:42 |
| ajmitch | yes | 07:42 |
| imbrandon | ok and the package for ubuntu can be buildt from the brz branch though auto iirc right ? | 07:42 |
| ajmitch | I'm sorry? | 07:42 |
| imbrandon | wasent it talked about where the archive would just buld the packages from brz in LP ? | 07:43 |
| ajmitch | you'll have problems with commands if you keep on typing brz :) | 07:43 |
| imbrandon | or we still have to do it the old fasion way atm | 07:43 |
| ajmitch | it was talked about | 07:43 |
| ajmitch | it doesn't mean that anything is planned yet | 07:43 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:43 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok | 07:43 |
| imbrandon | is this info on the wiki some where ( how to import cvs to LP/bzr ? ) | 07:44 |
| ajmitch | probably not | 07:45 |
| ajmitch | since it's just a simple task to do when registering a product | 07:45 |
| imbrandon | ok even with apt-mirror in the archive i regester it as a product | 07:45 |
| ajmitch | of course | 07:45 |
| imbrandon | and just import from there | 07:45 |
| ajmitch | products != packages | 07:45 |
| imbrandon | right | 07:45 |
| ajmitch | one of the fun things about launchpad | 07:45 |
| ajmitch | eg there's launchpad.net/products/f-spot | 07:46 |
| ajmitch | which has a couple of branches imported | 07:46 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto ? | 07:46 |
| ajmitch | and then the packages | 07:46 |
| imbrandon | yea i notieced fedora and fink distro there too thats gonna be fun | 07:46 |
| imbrandon | crimsun: breifly | 07:46 |
| imbrandon | ok cool ,i think this is enough info for me to run with, i'm gonna go try my hand at it | 07:47 |
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| imbrandon | hum crimsun ping | 08:34 |
| imbrandon | upstream dosent seem to maintain the cvs, they just upload when a new version is out a src tar ( so i might try to convice them to use bzr ) but in the meantime i decided to push it the way BzrMaintainerHowto says and i get this ..... | 08:36 |
| imbrandon | brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/apt-mirror-0.4.4$ bzr push --create-prefix sftp://imbrandon@bazzar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/apt-mirror/upstream | 08:36 |
| imbrandon | 0 revision(s) pushed. | 08:36 |
| imbrandon | brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/apt-mirror-0.4.4$ | 08:36 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch / crimsun ^^ | 08:36 |
| imbrandon | i have dont bzr init and commit | 08:36 |
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| imbrandon | any clues for a bzr newb heh | 08:37 |
| imbrandon | http://pastebin.ca/112795 <--- shows what i did thus far | 08:39 |
| imbrandon | but it dosent seem to be working | 08:39 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: the 0 revisions pushed is a cosmetic bug. | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | whew | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | lol i thinght i messed up | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | thought* | 08:40 |
| crimsun | yes, that was a head-scratcher when I first started. | 08:40 |
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| imbrandon | crimsun: can you glance at the pastebin and make sure that is what i was supose to do though | 08:40 |
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| carthik | crimsun, sorry for the delay in posting the guide - clean up in progress. | 08:41 |
| imbrandon | brb gonna grab a soda | 08:41 |
| crimsun | carthik: np, thank you. | 08:42 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: no, that looks strange | 08:42 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: I don't see an 'upstream' branch at all | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | yea i dont either, thats why | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | i thought i messed up | 08:43 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: please ensure that you have python-paramiko installed. | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | ok one sec | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | nope its not | 08:44 |
| imbrandon | installing now | 08:44 |
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| imbrandon | should that not give an error/warning etc if i needed it heeh | 08:44 |
| imbrandon | ok repush now? | 08:44 |
| crimsun | I would erase .bzr (from the top-level of the extracted source package) | 08:44 |
| crimsun | then re-init, re-add, re-push | 08:44 |
| imbrandon | kk | 08:44 |
| crimsun | no, it won't error out or give a warning | 08:45 |
| crimsun | it will do precisely what it just did, which is appear to have worked (but actually write to the cwd) | 08:46 |
| imbrandon | yea i noticed i had a sftp: dir i had to remove | 08:47 |
| imbrandon | he | 08:47 |
| imbrandon | heh | 08:47 |
| imbrandon | hum, new error | 08:48 |
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| imbrandon | lemme pastebin something about public key | 08:48 |
| imbrandon | http://pastebin.ca/112801 | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | ahhh my ssh key is wrong | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | duh | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | ok nvm | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | i can fix that | 08:49 |
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| imbrandon | looks like it will work after that though, thanks ( that package might should be noted on the BzrMaintainerHowto also hehehe ) | 08:50 |
| crimsun | yes, it would be wise to amend wiki page{,s} | 08:51 |
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| crimsun | what a killer hour to have a distro team meeting. :) | 08:52 |
| imbrandon | distro team meeting ? | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | dev team ? | 08:53 |
| crimsun | yeah, in <7 minutes. | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | heh core dev or all motu too ? | 08:54 |
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| imbrandon | heh | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | maybe they can kill the damn mono thread stuff this meeting | 08:54 |
| carthik | crimsun, meanwhile, if someone asks, the following has a ~cleaned up log: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Merging-and-Syncing | 08:54 |
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| crimsun | carthik: thank you | 08:55 |
| imbrandon | carthik: thanks, i look forward to reading it | 08:55 |
| carthik | crimsun, no, thank you! :) | 08:55 |
| imbrandon | and crimsun ;) | 08:55 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 09:21 |
| Gloubiboulga | hello Hobbsee | 09:22 |
| Hobbsee | hey Gloubiboulga :) | 09:22 |
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| kagou | hi | 09:53 |
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| imbrandon | crimsun: ping , you still arround ? | 10:04 |
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| ajmitch | imbrandon: problems? | 11:15 |
| imbrandon | nah i figureed it out, i was trying to merge a bzr branch with a non bzr branch | 11:16 |
| imbrandon | thanks though | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | ok | 11:16 |
| imbrandon | TONS simpler than cvs | 11:17 |
| imbrandon | simply copy the .bzr and status/commit | 11:17 |
| imbrandon | heh | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | ah, doing it that way | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | you may want to do bzr add for missing files as well | 11:20 |
| imbrandon | yea this time there wasent any but lifeless clued me in on a better way too | 11:21 |
| imbrandon | [03:20] <lifeless> bzr branch upstream packaged-copy | 11:22 |
| imbrandon | [03:20] <lifeless> cp -a the-copy-you-made-before-bzrising packaged-copy/ | 11:22 |
| imbrandon | [03:20] <lifeless> cd packaged-copy | 11:22 |
| imbrandon | [03:20] <lifeless> and now fix it up and commit | 11:22 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 11:22 |
| imbrandon | whats the approperate abriv for kilobytes ? kb or Kb or KiB or KB ? | 11:31 |
| imbrandon | ( on disk not internet speeds ) | 11:31 |
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| === ajmitch can't recall what the current best usage is - either KB or KiB | ||
| Nafallo | I would say KB, since KiB is that new format (kibi?) :-) | 11:36 |
| TheMuso | What does one do to request a sync to fix an FTBFS? Package is caudium, seems sid has a newer version, which is to fix the very issue that the version in edgy has. | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | file a bug, get it ACKed by a MOTU, subscribe ubuntu-archive | 11:39 |
| TheMuso | ok | 11:39 |
| TheMuso | Bug ##55038 | 11:50 |
| ajmitch | I'll test build & ACK | 11:53 |
| TheMuso | Ok. | 11:55 |
| TheMuso | I tested the debian ver in pbuilder, seemed alright. | 11:55 |
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| Toadstool | hi all | 11:58 |
| TheMuso | ~/c | 11:59 |
| imbrandon | heya Toadstool | 11:59 |
| TheMuso | Hey Toadstool | 11:59 |
| Toadstool | hey imbrandon, TheMuso | 12:00 |
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| TheMuso | ajmitch: Did the build succeed? | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | yes | 12:28 |
| TheMuso | So how does a MOTU ack it exactly? | 12:30 |
| StevenK | They comment on it, set it to Confirmed and sub ubuntu-archive | 12:31 |
| ajmitch | I comment on the bug report | 12:31 |
| === StevenK has done this once or twice | ||
| TheMuso | right | 12:32 |
| TheMuso | Hey StevenK | 12:32 |
| === StevenK waves. | ||
| === TheMuso didn't see that. :) | ||
| imbrandon | moins StevenK | 12:35 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: bzr fskin rocks man, dunno why i dident try this before | 12:35 |
| imbrandon | ( compared to other RCS i've used ) | 12:36 |
| imbrandon | and thats very limited but still heh | 12:36 |
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| !lilo:*! small regional server split.....about 250 users affected | 01:13 | |
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| pygi | anyone alive around? :) | 01:38 |
| Toadstool | no :) | 01:41 |
| Toadstool | hi pygi | 01:41 |
| pygi | hi Toadstool :) | 01:41 |
| pygi | could you poke apt to see who maintains libburn/libisofs? | 01:41 |
| pygi | people are doing mess with it :) | 01:42 |
| Toadstool | you want the name of the Debian maintainer? | 01:42 |
| pygi | Toadstool, that might also be fine, if we won't fix it in Ubuntu :) | 01:43 |
| ajmitch | well that's going to be the only maintainer name | 01:43 |
| Toadstool | the thing is there are no ubuntu specific modifications to those packages | 01:44 |
| Toadstool | if there's a bug, it's a Debian one | 01:44 |
| Toadstool | what's the problem anyway? | 01:44 |
| pygi | Toadstool, I know, but dependencies are bad :P | 01:44 |
| Toadstool | oh | 01:44 |
| pygi | libisofs should at least be recommended, if not even direct dependency of libburn package | 01:44 |
| ajmitch | then why don't you file a bug? | 01:45 |
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| pygi | ajmitch, 'cause I wanted to discuss first? :) | 01:45 |
| ajmitch | chances are fairly slim that a random package in universe has a ubuntu maintainer | 01:45 |
| Toadstool | indeed :) | 01:46 |
| pygi | ajmitch, right,but I still wanna discuss it :P | 01:46 |
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| pygi | right, so we don't fix that in ubuntu? :) | 01:47 |
| ajmitch | you asked for the maintainer to discuss it with | 01:47 |
| pygi | right, but I wanna discuss it with ubuntu folks as well so we can fix it here before debian :P | 01:47 |
| pygi | bleh:P | 01:47 |
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| Toadstool | pygi: your point is libisofs should depend on libburn? | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | pygi: then you should have said that first | 01:48 |
| pygi | Toadstool, opposite :) libburn should depend on libisofs, or libisofs should at least be recommended at least | 01:49 |
| Toadstool | yeah, my mistake :) | 01:49 |
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| pygi | that's my point :P probably recommended is better, as indeed it's not direct depend() of libburn | 01:49 |
| pygi | ajmitch, and that random package will go into main for edgy+1 if all goes well :) | 01:50 |
| pygi | so thoughts? :) | 01:53 |
| Toadstool | I don't understand why libburn should recommend libisofs | 01:55 |
| pygi | Toadstool, because libisofs complements libburn? | 01:57 |
| Toadstool | then, to my mind, it's more a Suggests: than a Recommends: ... but I may be wrong :) | 01:58 |
| Nafallo | Enhances:? | 01:58 |
| Toadstool | er, /me surrenders :) | 01:59 |
| pygi | Toadstool, don't, I need opinions :P | 01:59 |
| Toadstool | heh | 01:59 |
| Nafallo | hmm, this has something todo with the packaging-writing spec? | 02:01 |
| Toadstool | not at all, afaik | 02:01 |
| Nafallo | so why do we see those things in main for edgy+1? | 02:02 |
| Nafallo | s/thing/lib/ | 02:02 |
| Toadstool | pygi: ^ ? :) | 02:02 |
| pygi | Toadstool, Nafallo, because HUB will use it :) | 02:02 |
| hub | pygi: what? | 02:02 |
| Nafallo | HUB? | 02:03 |
| Nafallo | lol | 02:03 |
| Toadstool | heh | 02:03 |
| pygi | hub, not you :P | 02:03 |
| pygi | Home User Backup :) | 02:03 |
| Toadstool | hub, not hub :p | 02:03 |
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| pygi | hub, that happened three times by now :P | 02:06 |
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| hub | I predate that software | 02:07 |
| hub | I have been using that nick on IRC for over 10 years | 02:07 |
| pygi | hub, I said nothing :) | 02:08 |
| Nafallo | pygi: why not use nautilus-cd-burner or something | 02:08 |
| Nafallo | ? | 02:08 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 02:08 |
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| pygi | Nafallo, because libburn is better, and I am it's upstream? :P | 02:10 |
| pygi | bleh :) | 02:10 |
| Nafallo | baah ;-) | 02:10 |
| pygi | now you see? :) | 02:11 |
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| imbrandon | Nafallo: and not everyone uses gnome ;) | 02:41 |
| imbrandon | RE: nautilus-cd-burner | 02:41 |
| Nafallo | imbrandon: baah. I'm just a bit opposed to have to burninglibs installed in a standardinstall. | 02:42 |
| Nafallo | s/di/d\ i/ | 02:42 |
| imbrandon | Nafallo: ok how many computers have you seen sold in the last 2 years that dont have a cdrw ? | 02:42 |
| Nafallo | I always pick parts and build myself, but apart from that, to should have been two :-P. | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | huh ? | 02:43 |
| Nafallo | i.e. libnautilusburn and libburn | 02:44 |
| imbrandon | oh | 02:44 |
| imbrandon | as i said not everyone uses gnome | 02:44 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 02:44 |
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| imbrandon | Qt: 3.3.6 | 02:45 |
| imbrandon | KDE: 3.5.4 | 02:45 |
| imbrandon | kde-config: 1.0 | 02:45 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 02:45 |
| Nafallo | no, but I'm sure kde has some lib for burning aswell? :-) | 02:46 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 02:52 |
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| Nafallo | Hobbsee: hi there :-) | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 02:53 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:42 |
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| Nafallo | hiho bddebian :-) | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Wow, hi Nafallo | 03:43 |
| bddebian | I thought maybe you had dropped off the planet? :-) | 03:44 |
| Nafallo | sort of :-). I've been working, but home sick today :-/. | 03:44 |
| bddebian | Ugh, sorry to hear that | 03:44 |
| Nafallo | yea, but I earn money so... ;-) | 03:49 |
| Nafallo | I actually needed to take a break, so it's not that bad. | 03:49 |
| bddebian | Nafallo: No, I meant about being home sick :-) | 03:51 |
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| Nafallo | yea, me to. not that bad since I get a break this way :-P. | 03:51 |
| bddebian | :-) | 03:51 |
| Nafallo | I worked 12h saturday, 12h wednesday and 21h thursday last week ;-) | 03:52 |
| bddebian | Yikes | 03:54 |
| Nafallo | money -> upgrade server -> more porn ;-) | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | oh dear. | 03:58 |
| bddebian | hehe | 03:58 |
| bddebian | "so I can make more money, so I can buy more drugs, so I can make more money..." | 03:59 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 03:59 |
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| zakame | hi all | 04:54 |
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| Gloubiboulga | hello zakame | 05:10 |
| Hobbsee | hi zakame, Gloubiboulga | 05:11 |
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| Hobbsee | Laser_away: with that patching stuff, you should include the bits that go inside debian/rules so that debian/patches get read, i think | 05:21 |
| kmilo_libre | Hi | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | hi kmilo_libre | 05:22 |
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| bddebian | Hello zakame, Gloubiboulga, kmilo_libre | 06:10 |
| Gloubiboulga | heya bddebian | 06:10 |
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| Cornellius | :((( | 06:14 |
| bddebian | Cornellius: ? | 06:15 |
| Cornellius | No hellos for Cornellius | 06:15 |
| bddebian | Oh, Hello Cornellius, I was just hitting people that were "talking", sorry :-) | 06:16 |
| Cornellius | :P | 06:16 |
| kmilo_libre | LOL | 06:18 |
| hub | who shall I pester to have an anti-spam installed on the REVU server | 06:33 |
| hub | list.tauware.de | 06:33 |
| Nafallo | hub: siretart | 06:47 |
| hub | siretart: so is it possible to get a spam filter install on the mailing list of motu-reviewers | 06:47 |
| hub | siretart: I get more spam than signal lately thru this list | 06:47 |
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| bddebian | Holy crap, my attal actually built in Edgy too | 07:28 |
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| Kyral_Laptop | hey bddebian what does HIRD stand for? | 07:31 |
| bddebian | What's HIRD? | 07:31 |
| Kyral_Laptop | the H in HURD :P | 07:31 |
| Kyral_Laptop | I may have swapped the I and R | 07:32 |
| bddebian | Herd of Unix Replacing Daemons | 07:32 |
| Kyral_Laptop | I thought it was HIRD | 07:32 |
| Kyral_Laptop | what however you spell it | 07:32 |
| bddebian | WTF is a Hird? | 07:32 |
| Kyral_Laptop | I dunno! | 07:32 |
| Kyral_Laptop | Damnit Wikipedia time | 07:32 |
| Laser_away | Herd sounds right | 07:34 |
| Kyral_Laptop | "HURD is an indirectly recursive acronym, standing for "HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons", where "HIRD" stands for "HURD of Interfaces Representing Depth"" - Wikipedia | 07:34 |
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| Kyral_Laptop | lol | 07:35 |
| Kyral_Laptop | something wrong? | 07:36 |
| bddebian | Kyral_Laptop: Yeah, that's stupid :-) | 07:36 |
| Kyral_Laptop | lol | 07:36 |
| Kyral_Laptop | then go correct it :P | 07:37 |
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| ryanakca | Gloubiboulga: ping | 08:28 |
| Gloubiboulga | ryanakca, pong | 08:28 |
| ryanakca | I updated the packaging to that clip daemon, had a look at it? | 08:29 |
| Gloubiboulga | I'll have a look now | 08:29 |
| ryanakca | kk, ty | 08:29 |
| Gloubiboulga | if I find it on REVU... | 08:31 |
| Gloubiboulga | ah, got it :) | 08:31 |
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| ryanakca | :) | 08:36 |
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| Gloubiboulga | ryanakca, the packaging looks fine, I'm testing the build | 08:36 |
| ryanakca | kk | 08:36 |
| Gloubiboulga | but I'm not sure it'll work since archive.u.c is very slow tonight | 08:36 |
| ryanakca | ah... | 08:37 |
| ryanakca | you in europe? (judging from the tonight) | 08:37 |
| Gloubiboulga | ah, built :) | 08:37 |
| Gloubiboulga | yep, in France | 08:37 |
| ryanakca | nice :) | 08:37 |
| Gloubiboulga | ryanakca, nice work :) | 08:40 |
| ryanakca | Gloubiboulga: ty | 08:43 |
| ryanakca | add a manpage... hmmm... dunno how... but I'll google it... and watch file... same thing | 08:45 |
| Gloubiboulga | those two files are not required, but appreciated | 08:45 |
| Gloubiboulga | and it's just a suggestion ;) | 08:46 |
| Nafallo | isn't manpage required anymore? | 08:46 |
| Gloubiboulga | Nafallo, I discovered a few weeks ago that it's not required | 08:47 |
| Nafallo | hmm, must have changed recently then... | 08:47 |
| Gloubiboulga | I don't know about 'anymore' ;) | 08:47 |
| Gloubiboulga | /me.sleep() | 08:48 |
| Nafallo | well, I'll reread debian's policy when I have time later then... | 08:48 |
| ryanakca | lol, G'night Gloubiboulga | 08:49 |
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| lordlamer | hello. i have made a debian package. how can i migrate that package to ubuntu? | 09:14 |
| Yagisan | any of us motu's graphics artists ? | 09:15 |
| Yagisan | wacom tablets work with Ubuntu right ? | 09:16 |
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| crimsun | (yes) | 09:17 |
| bddebian | Heya crimsun and Yagisan | 09:17 |
| Yagisan | thanks crimsun. That gets me 2 more converts now :) | 09:17 |
| Yagisan | I'm converting all the windows programmers in my project to Ubuntu :) | 09:18 |
| Yagisan | heh heh. | 09:18 |
| Yagisan | what's up bddebian ? | 09:18 |
| ryanakca | Yagisan: my Graphire 3 works wonders... only thing that doesn't work is the eraser... | 09:19 |
| Yagisan | thanks ryanakca. Thats good to know | 09:19 |
| ryanakca | the wacom driver thinks it's a pen... so the eraser writes as well... a two sided pen :) | 09:19 |
| Yagisan | that's rather funny | 09:22 |
| bddebian | Yagisan: Not much man, you? | 09:44 |
| Yagisan | bddebian, I've been doing an allnighter for my assignments, and converting Windows devs to Ubuntu | 09:45 |
| bddebian | Nice | 09:53 |
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| LaserJock | Toadstool: you are moving to San Diego? | 10:33 |
| Toadstool | yep | 10:33 |
| Toadstool | a one-year internship | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | cool | 10:34 |
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| Toadstool | at Texas Instruments, San Diego | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | nice | 10:34 |
| Toadstool | yeah :) | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm not exactly *that* close to San Diego, but if you ever have a chance to hit northern California you should let me know | 10:35 |
| Toadstool | where do you live? | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | Reno, NV | 10:35 |
| Toadstool | ah ok :) | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | it's about a 4 hr drive East from San Francisco | 10:36 |
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| Toadstool | LaserJock: if by any chance I'll drive nearby Reno, I'll let you know then ;) | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | Toadstool: cool | 10:43 |
| bddebian | Reno is a dump | 10:44 |
| bddebian | Hi Toadstool and LaserJock :) | 10:44 |
| Toadstool | hey bddebian :) | 10:44 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: i agree with you | 11:28 |
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| bddebian | LaserJock: ? | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | reno is a dump | 11:33 |
| bddebian | Oh :-) | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | I don't much care for it | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: ping? | 11:34 |
| bddebian | Later gang | 11:40 |
| ryanakca | can someone please look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2812 ? I need one more person to advocate :) | 11:44 |
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| Toadstool | ryanakca: in debian/control, bump Standards-Version to 3.7.2 and you really should add a manpage (a missing manpage is considered as a bug according to the Debian policy) | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | I agree | 11:52 |
| Toadstool | apart from that, good work ;) | 11:52 |
| ryanakca | got any links on writing manpages? | 11:52 |
| Toadstool | ryanakca: /usr/share/debhelper/dh_make/debian/manpage.1.ex is a good template for a simple manpage | 11:55 |
| ryanakca | Toadstool: ty | 11:55 |
| Toadstool | np | 11:56 |
| Toadstool | g'night everybody | 12:00 |
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| LaserJock | cya ToadZzZztool | 12:00 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: pong | 12:02 |
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