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[03:23] Thanks bud [03:23] anytime. [03:23] a bit more context would be useful :) [03:23] That's all I get running dpkg-buildpackage -us -nc [03:24] But it ran the first time through..? [03:24] which source package? [03:24] (link immensely useful) [03:24] attal again [03:24] local? [03:24] aye [03:25] debianised source package publicly available? [03:25] No I'm trying to build straight from CVS [03:26] I think I started getting it after using the version you told me to? :-) [03:26] If any MOTu has a chance, could they please review the debdiff at the end of bug #54936 and upload please. I have been told that UVF is not yet in for us, but at the time, I thought the upstream version freeze a few weeks back also applied [03:26] Malone bug 54936 in speech-dispatcher "UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1." [Untriaged,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54936 [03:26] to us as well. :) [03:26] did you rename the orig.tar.gz and everything? [03:27] crimsun: Well that was going to be my next question. I'm not using an orig.tar.gz. Do I need to make one? I thought that was a no-no? [03:27] TheMuso: Didn't some upload a new speech-dispatcher today? [03:27] bddebian: yes, you need to roll an orig.tar.gz because it's not {Debian,Ubuntu}-native source [03:28] bddebian: No, it wasn't uploaded. [03:28] TheMuso: where are the python bindings you mention? [03:28] ajmitch: In the package. [03:28] is there not a separate python-foo package for them? [03:28] crimsun: OK, just remove the CVS dirs and my debian dir and tar it up? [03:28] ajmitch: No. This was a merge from debian as well. [03:29] so what changes are there from debian? it's a bit hard to pick them out from the debdiff :) [03:29] bddebian: if you're positive that it will match, sure. It's probably better to do a fresh checkout and strip the CVS dirs. [03:29] ok, tracked down debian/changelog [03:30] crimsun: If I'm sure it will match what? I'm sure it won't match because the themes have to be inside the build tree now. [03:30] and I see that there is a python-speechd, which is what I was asking about [03:32] bddebian: IME an orig.tar.gz should be exactly what the cvs checkout is minus the vcs dirs [03:32] crimsun: I agree but I don't think it's possible in this case [03:33] why not? [03:33] As I said, the themes now need to be in the build tree and they are a seperate branch on CVS [03:34] Well I guess I didn't say that they are a different CVS branch :-) [03:35] what does Raphael plan to do? [03:36] TheMuso: this is a nasty package [03:36] it makes sense to have just one attal source package that generates multiple attal-themes- binaries [03:36] ajmitch: Blame the debian developer. :) [03:36] I expect to be able to do debuild -S without having to run configure [03:37] ajmitch: I know. [03:37] Stefan Potyra was the person who originally did the first merge. I don't know whether he contacted Milan at all. [03:38] About it. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] crimsun: I agree. Raphael has not responded and the attal guys are never on #attal :-( [03:40] ajmitch: I have been enclined to actually take this up with him, because it is very hodge podge. === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] Hey imbrandon. [03:41] TheMuso: could be an idea [03:41] heya TheMuso [03:41] Yeah I think so. [03:50] crimsun: I created an orig.tar.gz just to see if it would work and I get that same message :-( [03:50] can you pastebin all the spew from when you pressed Enter? [03:53] http://pastebin.us/2455 [03:53] coffee shop closed, back in 2 hours post-exercise. [03:53] (debian/{control,changelog} ?) === ajmitch waits for the pastebin results === Cornellius [n=alain@142-217-38-112.telebecinternet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] ajmitch: I have emailed Milan, but can't expect to get an email from him till tonight sometime. [03:55] Gah, OK, thanks crimsun [03:58] bddebian: do you have them up on pastebin now or not? [03:59] ajmitch: Oh, you wanna help me? [03:59] well TheMuso's speech-dispatcher isn't building a source package cleanly, so yes [03:59] TheMuso: dpkg-source: cannot represent change to doc/figures/architecture.pdf: binary file contents changed [03:59] hm ok [04:00] after I got the build deps installed [04:01] ajmitch: First couple changelog entries: http://pastebin.us/2458 [04:01] debian/control: http://pastebin.us/2459 [04:02] & permissions, etc are all correct? [04:05] afaik [04:05] c [04:05] or was that not at me? === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:07] ajmitch: Do I need to drop the previous version changelog entries? [04:07] no === scotth [n=scotth@wv-morgantown-cdnt1-bg5-8c-98.mgtnwv.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:18] OK, now I'm really confused. All of the sudden it appears to be working and I didn't change anything.. [04:23] bddebian: Heisenbug? [04:23] Apparently.. [04:23] ajmitch: When you applied the debdiff, did you get any messages about patch hunks already applied etc? [04:24] didn't see [04:24] I'll check again [04:24] Ok I may have ti wrong. How do you apply debdiffs? [04:24] it === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] with patch -pX < whatever.debdiff [04:25] Hm ok. [04:25] I didn't have it wrong then. === ajmitch tries rebuilding source package [04:25] nah, same results [04:25] strange thing [04:26] WHat ver of the package are you applying the debdiff to? [04:26] THe one currently in the archives? [04:27] yes [04:27] Weird. [04:28] I don't know why I am getting this: [04:28] patching file Makefile.in [04:28] Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] [04:28] & then I was going to get a diff against the current debian version [04:28] but, if you can provide a debdiff against what's in debian, it would be appreciated [04:29] Ok I can do that. [04:29] As soon as I work out why that question is being asked. [04:29] sure === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:35] ajmitch: http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/0.6.1-2_0.6.1-2ubuntu1.diff [04:35] now that's much shorter to review === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] TheMuso: looks good === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [04:37] I'll just do a test build [04:38] Ok, I just realised something which I fixed in the bigger debdiff. [04:38] which was? [04:39] Put a . where it shouldn't have been. [04:39] If you grab the diff again its fixed [04:39] hm [04:39] ok [04:39] Accidentally had one in a Description line. [04:39] is it really that bad? [04:39] My punctuation is two good sometimes. [04:39] Well I have been pulled up for it before. [04:39] :) [04:40] I'll fix it manually if you tell me where [04:40] speech-dispatcher-flite description? [04:40] The description field for speech-dispatcher-flite in debian/control [04:40] Yep. [04:41] ok, fixed that, will tell you when the build is done & I can upload [04:41] Ok. [04:41] Thanks heaps. I am going to work with Milan about cleaning that mess up. :) === TheMuso always is nervous when working with speech-dispatcher in its current state. :) [04:42] well it builds quickly [04:42] Yeah. [04:42] On a fast machine that is. [04:42] heh [04:42] Takes a while on my celeron 466. :) [04:42] just rebuilding it again now :) [04:42] Ok. [04:43] 2-3 minutes isn't that long.. [04:43] No thats true. [04:49] TheMuso: what is speech-dispatcher-festival meant to contain? [04:49] Tools to allow festival to work better with speech-dispatcher. [04:50] it looks pretty empty here [04:50] And it is strongly recommended for them to be used, if speech-dispatcher is configured to use festival as the synth. [04:50] ./usr/lib/speech-dispatcher-modules/sd_festival is in the main speech-dispatcher package [04:50] -rw-r--r-- root/root 1205 2006-08-03 14:43 ./usr/share/doc/speech-dispatcher-festival/README.Debian [04:50] Let me check [04:50] -rw-r--r-- root/root 925 2006-08-03 14:43 ./usr/share/doc/speech-dispatcher-festival/copyright [04:50] -rw-r--r-- root/root 2504 2006-08-03 14:43 ./usr/share/doc/speech-dispatcher-festival/changelog.Debian.gz [04:50] that's the whole contents of speech-dispatcher-festival here === jaldhar_ is now known as jaldhar [04:50] Hmm ok. [04:50] Heya jaldhar === TheMuso builds the debian version in pbuilder to have a look at what it is supposed to do. === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:51] could be a debian bug [04:51] it's been known to happen before [04:52] Yeah. [04:53] ajmitch: Its a metapackage. [04:53] ah [04:53] It pulls in another, totally separate package. [04:54] so now you have a circular depends between speech-dispatcher & speech-dispatcher-festival [04:54] Ah ok. [04:55] Just a matter of removing the speech-dispatcher dependancy from speech-dispatcher-festival [04:55] as it stands at the moment, there's no benefit from having that extra metapackage [04:55] bddebian: hi there [04:55] there was in debian, because it was in Suggests [04:55] Yeah true. === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] ajmitch: Ok, I have done a massive cleanup, and reworked some docs here. So what debdiff(s) would you like? [05:12] Clean up as in removed speech-dispatcher-fesitva [05:12] festival [05:13] debdiff against debian, if you wish [05:14] Doesn't bother me. [05:14] I can do that. [05:14] it'd be smaller [05:14] true. [05:14] are you sure that you want to remove speech-dispatcher-festival? [05:15] Well it only depends on festival-freebsoft-utils, which has the stuff in it thats needed. [05:15] Do you think I shouldn't? [05:15] it's just a bit of a change from debian [05:15] up to you [05:15] I don't use the software, and I can't say what's more useful [05:15] Fair enough. [05:15] Well I am doing some spec preparation for it, so what better time than now. :) [05:15] ok :) [05:15] Twill be going into main soon hopefully. === TheMuso waits for pbuilder to give the all clear. === Hobbsee watches as it FAILS on TheMuso :P [05:16] heh [05:17] Hobbsee: please don't [05:17] I'm not worried. === TheMuso fetches lunch. === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:18] ajmitch: :( === ajmitch thinks that lunch would be a great idea, if he could afford it [05:19] wha...you just got a check [05:19] :) [05:20] which takes a week or so to clear [05:20] ah [05:20] We should fund ajmitch for his Summer of Lunch [05:20] Heya tritium [05:20] heh [05:20] hey bddebian [05:21] tritium: all donations are welcome === zul gives a can of chicken soup [05:21] ajmitch: check is in the mail ;) [05:22] how very helpful [05:23] heh === imbrandon kicks the storms [05:25] heh i put everything on batery backups but my darn router LOL [05:25] ajmitch: Same link to the diff as before. === imbrandon is dumb sometimes === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:25] ok.. hopefully the proxy doesn't cache it [05:25] My package has lightbulb-hammer status in REVU [05:25] watch for broken glass. [05:25] that's nice [05:26] no seriously wtf are the icons [05:26] there's got to be a guide I'm missing here somewhere. [05:26] bluefoxicy: hove over them [05:26] hoer* [05:26] grrr [05:26] hover* [05:26] ah. [05:27] I didn't think of that, I tried view image to see the file name :) [05:27] heh [05:27] hehe === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:28] wow! A package deemed "inappropriate" [05:28] bluefoxicy: there are a few, yes [05:29] Hobbsee: hot-babe in particular; I actually tested out RATS on that to see what it would be like using source code audit tools. === Hobbsee heard about that in here actually. === kyral_ [n=kyral@128.153.199.148] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy ran it, wondered who had this much lack of a life, and then deemed it both an ill-behaved application and a useless waste of screen real-estate [05:32] I do miss AMOR from KDE though. There needs to be a GTK+ version; I want a tiny microkitty on my screen again :) [05:33] w00t, attal builds and installs but can't find the themes files.. :-( === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [05:33] Stupid thing is looking in /usr/local/share... instead of /usr/share.. [05:34] TheMuso: great, only 3 lintian wanrings on the resulting debs :) [05:34] Right. [05:34] ajmitch: do we care about htem though? [05:34] Hobbsee: it depends on what the warning is [05:34] yay, it's edgy, yay, the package is versioned wrong, because we're not in debian. [05:34] not those ones [05:34] W: speech-dispatcher-flite: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/lib/speech-dispatcher-modules/sd_flite /usr/lib/speech-dispatcher/ [05:34] ones like that [05:35] ah === kyral_ [n=kyral@128.153.199.148] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:36] ajmitch: What is that supposed to mean? [05:36] that it shouldn't define rpath, because rpath is bad & wrong [05:37] Ah right. [05:37] informative, no? [05:37] you'd need to search google a bit for info on it [05:37] I have seen something like that before, with another package. [05:38] AM_CFLAGS = -DLOCALEDIR=\"$(localedir)\" -I/usr/include/ $(inc_local) @glib_include@ -L$(top_srcdir)/src/audio -I$(top_srcdir)/src/audio -I../../intl/ $(ibmtts_include [05:38] ) @SNDFILE_CFLAGS@ -Wl,--rpath -Wl,$(spdlibdir) [05:38] yes, that's where it's getting rpath from [05:38] Why is rPath wrong & bad ? [05:38] src/Modules/Makefile.am [05:38] http://wiki.debian.org/RpathIssue [05:38] ajmitch: Gah! That means one woul have to re-generate configure etc. [05:39] Cornellius: different rPath. [05:39] I'm surprised that lintian didn't show it for the others [05:39] TheMuso: it can be fixed in Makefile.in as well [05:39] Right. [05:39] Well, I was thinking about rPath Linux, as the distro. [05:39] I just might do that. [05:39] Cornellius: completely different [05:39] Ok [05:40] TheMuso: it may not be necessary to get rid of it [05:40] "urrently, the only valid use of this feature in Debian is to add non-standard library path (like /usr/lib/) to libraries that are only intended to be used by the executables (or other libraries) within the package." [05:40] it's probably because it's in a separate module package that it complains [05:40] RIght. I'd say so. [05:41] I think we should be fine to upload for now [05:41] just keep these issues in mind :) [05:41] That module on its own won't work with anything, but since speech-dispatcher is a dep, it should be fine [05:41] Will do. [05:42] uploading === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] Ok. Thanks heaps once again ajmitch. === TheMuso is not ready for MOT yet, but is learning. [05:43] Learning is a good thing. [05:43] just get Hobbsee to explain it all for you [05:43] ajmitch: hah. === Hobbsee cant explain anything. [05:44] ajmitch: I am a bit of a perfectionist. [05:44] you should be able to [05:44] TheMuso: that's a good thing :) [05:44] And I should have known that this is what happens when you want to change a lot. :) [05:44] But I chose the wrong time of night to embark on that little job. [05:44] TheMuso: so's ajmitch, dont worry [05:45] Hobbsee: I'm not worried. [05:45] :) [05:45] I just want to get it right, and do so several times before I even consider going for MOTU. === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@210.0.212.180] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:49] !packagingguide > TheMuso === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian isn't ready for MOTU yet either [05:51] bddebian: heh, neither. [05:52] Yeah you are. [05:52] WHy else would you have got it? [05:53] bddebian: we already knew that :) === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:54] crimsun: Are you back? [05:54] bddebian: of sorts, yes. I'm eating dinner atm and catching up on e-mail (~400) [05:54] Sheesh [05:55] It's not picking up my orig.tar.gz, it generated a new tarball.. [05:56] check the name, etc [05:57] Ack, frickin' - instead of _ [05:57] hahah i hate when i do that [05:58] can somebody tell me what the deal is with GNU/Linux? [05:58] LaserJock: The deal? [05:58] flamewars & name-calling [05:58] as jdub says [05:59] Technically Linux refers to the Kernel [05:59] most of the software is GNU Software [05:59] hence "GNU/Linux" [05:59] (and GNU/kFreeBSD) [05:59] GNU/Hurd ;-) [06:00] Actually since Hurd is the GNU Kernel [06:00] isn't it just "GNU" [06:00] who cares? about the GNU part? [06:00] the software isn't all GNU [06:00] LaserJock: RMS and zealots [06:00] www.gnu.org [06:00] GNU/Hurd is a lie... it doesn't exist... its a conspiracy [06:00] now Kyral go bed [06:00] Kyral: No, Hurd is not the kernel :-) [06:00] before in his tiredness he goes to BOFH mode over a pointless naming convention [06:01] I use them interchangeably [06:01] scotth: Funny that it is running on 4 of my machines at home === jsgotangco raises his sword of the FSF [06:01] what I don't get is why they call it GNU? [06:01] Mainly because of glibc [06:02] And the toolchain [06:02] yeah [06:02] they couldnt create GNU without creating a free toolchain [06:02] bddebian: I had it on my machine too for a while, and I used to lurk on the l4-hurd list... its a running joke in my office that the hurd is part of a massive conspiracy by the fsf [06:02] so they ended up creating one [06:02] scotth: :-) [06:03] scotth: you don't understand. The FSF *IS* a massive conspiracy. [06:03] ok, so why not be GNU/Linux/OO.o/Firefox/ ad nauseam [06:03] scotth: I think I'm still subscribed to that list [06:03] LaserJock: unless the other projects insists heh [06:03] LaserJock: You have to take that fight to RMS and/or #gnu ;-P [06:03] How about FOSS/Linux or STFURMS/Linux? [06:03] GNU/Linux has some valid arguments though [06:03] ajmitch: I still watch it through gmane from time to time [06:03] jsgotangco: Aye [06:04] ok, so RMS decided it has to be GNU/Linux? [06:04] no not at all [06:04] FSF != RMS [06:04] LaserJock: Realistically you could not have a just "Linux" system, since linux is merely the kernel. It wouldn't do much :-) [06:04] yeah [06:04] right [06:04] so the GNU utlities are on top of the kernel [06:04] but who cares? [06:04] FSF does [06:04] it's all putting stuff on top of other stuff === redguy [n=mati@acv120.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:05] so what makes GNU special? [06:05] LaserJock: the FSF cares because they want to promote freedom, rather than just software that doesn't suck [06:05] LaserJock: FSF is more inclined to the philosophical/social implications rather than technical in which OSI emphasize [06:06] sure [06:06] I'm not denying any of that [06:06] I just don't understand why GNU is so special [06:06] Crap what's the best syntax for removing object files out of subdirs? rm -rf */.o ? [06:06] well gcc for starters [06:07] if there's no Makefile target that does so, I'd probably use find(1) [06:07] I understand that gcc is is a big deal [06:07] yeah I like find for that === imbrandon would laugh if someone compiled a bzimage in VisualStudio.NET [06:07] imagine naming your distribution GNOME/GNU/Ubuntu Linux [06:07] heh [06:08] yeah, that's my point [06:08] crimsun: Can I get away with find ./ *.o |xargs rm -rf or would xargs fail on some shells? [06:08] the more time we waste debating it, the less time we're spending QAing our distro. [06:08] crimsun: +1 [06:08] LaserJock: i guess they don't want to dilute the GNU branding of sorts and its history/legacy for what its worth [06:09] there is always intel's compiler and ibm's for powerpc, and doesn't sun have one for slowaris? gcc isn't the only game in town [06:09] bddebian: that would work[ or find(1)'s -exec] [06:09] crimsun: that's why some of us are trying to ignore this conversation & work [06:13] crimsun and/or ajmitch: Any chance I could get one of you (or both) to check out this package if I posted it? [06:14] possibly === FunnyHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:14] Well that means no :-) [06:14] In the packaging guide where pot files is talked about, what tool does one use for getting pot files if the package doesn't use kde? === Bazzi_ [n=Bastian@p50803247.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:15] TheMuso: have no idea, I had nothing to do with that silly doc [06:15] hmm ok [06:15] ;-) [06:15] LaserJock: ;-P [06:16] Referring to bug #55006 specifically [06:16] Malone bug 55006 in freetalk "POT files not available" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/55006 [06:16] doh, where did Hobbsee go? [06:17] Off to a lecture. [06:17] hmm, she would know [06:18] TheMuso: the problem is I really don't know anything about the KDE stuff :( [06:18] Right. [06:18] that's a quick fix. Shove a rule to generate POT in debian/rules. === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:19] Yeah, but what too do I use? I was pointed to the packaging guide as to how to do it, and it is kde specific. [06:19] Referrs to kde specific tools that is. [06:21] gettext, normally, for .po. Check with Riddell. [06:23] mkdir -p po [06:23] XGETTEXT=/usr/bin/kde-xgettext sh admin/cvs.sh extract-messages [06:23] http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/attal/ if anyone has time. I've only built on dapper so far [06:24] hmmm ok === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:29] Gnight folks [06:29] gnight bddebian [06:29] Night imbrandon === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] TheMuso: are you doing 55006 [06:36] imbrandon: no not currently [06:36] take it if you want [06:36] kk just dident wanna dupe work [06:37] I was just wondering how one would take care of pot files [06:37] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ubuntu-kubuntu.html <--- very bottom of that page [06:37] tell how FYI [06:37] s/tell/tells [06:38] but i got it and 07 08 09 10 all are pot stuff, easy fixes === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B2995.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:39] imbrandon: That is kde specific. === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:40] pots are only used by kde apps in rosetta afaik [06:40] Not afaik [06:40] I thought GNOME apps were as well. [06:40] good morning [06:40] morning dholbach [06:40] heya [06:40] you're up far too early [06:40] Besides. Thats not even a kde app. [06:40] hrm ok /me looks closer [06:40] heh [06:41] hey ajmitch - yeah, you could say that === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:00] hi again all === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:02] hello Hobbsee === cypher1 [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:09]