[12:13] <DarkMageZ> where could i find out what configure options were used in the making of particular packages?
[12:14] <TheMuso> Download the source package and have a look in debian/rules.
[12:14] <DarkMageZ> ah :)
[12:21] <TheMuso> Never mind, looks like it has been uploaded.
[12:22] <TheMuso> Actually no. I missread.
[01:47] <kmilo_> bye
[03:21] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:22] <bddebian> So, WTF does this mean?  dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is
[03:22] <crimsun> we call that a pebkac.
[03:23] <bddebian> Thanks bud
[03:23] <crimsun> anytime.
[03:23] <crimsun> a bit more context would be useful :)
[03:23] <bddebian> That's all I get running dpkg-buildpackage -us -nc
[03:24] <bddebian> But it ran the first time through..?
[03:24] <crimsun> which source package?
[03:24] <crimsun> (link immensely useful)
[03:24] <bddebian> attal again
[03:24] <crimsun> local?
[03:24] <bddebian> aye
[03:25] <crimsun> debianised source package publicly available?
[03:25] <bddebian> No I'm trying to build straight from CVS
[03:26] <bddebian> I think I started getting it after using the version you told me to? :-)
[03:26] <TheMuso> If any MOTu has a chance, could they please review the debdiff at the end of bug #54936 and upload please. I have been told that UVF is not yet in for us, but at the time, I thought the upstream version freeze a few weeks back also applied
[03:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54936 in speech-dispatcher "UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1." [Untriaged,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54936
[03:26] <TheMuso> to us as well. :)
[03:26] <crimsun> did you rename the orig.tar.gz and everything?
[03:27] <bddebian> crimsun: Well that was going to be my next question.  I'm not using an orig.tar.gz.  Do I need to make one?  I thought that was a no-no?
[03:27] <bddebian> TheMuso: Didn't some upload a new speech-dispatcher today?
[03:27] <crimsun> bddebian: yes, you need to roll an orig.tar.gz because it's not {Debian,Ubuntu}-native source
[03:28] <TheMuso> bddebian: No, it wasn't uploaded.
[03:28] <ajmitch> TheMuso: where are the python bindings you mention?
[03:28] <TheMuso> ajmitch: In the package.
[03:28] <ajmitch> is there not a separate python-foo package for them?
[03:28] <bddebian> crimsun: OK, just remove the CVS dirs and my debian dir and tar it up?
[03:28] <TheMuso> ajmitch: No. This was a merge from debian as well.
[03:29] <ajmitch> so what changes are there from debian? it's a bit hard to pick them out from the debdiff :)
[03:29] <crimsun> bddebian: if you're positive that it will match, sure. It's probably better to do a fresh checkout and strip the CVS dirs.
[03:29] <ajmitch> ok, tracked down debian/changelog
[03:30] <bddebian> crimsun: If I'm sure it will match what?  I'm sure it won't match because the themes have to be inside the build tree now.
[03:30] <ajmitch> and I see that there is a python-speechd, which is what I was asking about
[03:32] <crimsun> bddebian: IME an orig.tar.gz should be exactly what the cvs checkout is minus the vcs dirs
[03:32] <bddebian> crimsun: I agree but I don't think it's possible in this case
[03:33] <crimsun> why not?
[03:33] <bddebian> As I said, the themes now need to be in the build tree and they are a seperate branch on CVS
[03:34] <bddebian> Well I guess I didn't say that they are a different CVS branch :-)
[03:35] <crimsun> what does Raphael plan to do?
[03:36] <ajmitch> TheMuso: this is a nasty package
[03:36] <crimsun> it makes sense to have just one attal source package that generates multiple attal-themes-  binaries
[03:36] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Blame the debian developer. :)
[03:36] <ajmitch> I expect to be able to do debuild -S without having to run configure
[03:37] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I know.
[03:37] <TheMuso> Stefan Potyra was the person who originally did the first merge. I don't know whether he contacted Milan at all.
[03:38] <TheMuso> About it.
[03:38] <bddebian> crimsun: I agree.  Raphael has not responded and the attal guys are never on #attal :-(
[03:40] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I have been enclined to actually take this up with him, because it is very hodge podge.
[03:40] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[03:41] <ajmitch> TheMuso: could be an idea
[03:41] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[03:41] <TheMuso> Yeah I think so.
[03:50] <bddebian> crimsun: I created an orig.tar.gz just to see if it would work and I get that same message :-(
[03:50] <crimsun> can you pastebin all the spew from when you pressed Enter?
[03:53] <bddebian> http://pastebin.us/2455
[03:53] <crimsun> coffee shop closed, back in 2 hours post-exercise.
[03:53] <crimsun> (debian/{control,changelog} ?)
[03:55] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I have emailed Milan, but can't expect to get an email from him till tonight sometime.
[03:55] <bddebian> Gah, OK, thanks crimsun
[03:58] <ajmitch> bddebian: do you have them up on pastebin now or not?
[03:59] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh, you wanna help me?
[03:59] <ajmitch> well TheMuso's speech-dispatcher isn't building a source package cleanly, so yes
[03:59] <ajmitch> TheMuso: dpkg-source: cannot represent change to doc/figures/architecture.pdf: binary file contents changed
[03:59] <TheMuso> hm ok
[04:00] <ajmitch> after I got the build deps installed
[04:01] <bddebian> ajmitch: First couple changelog entries: http://pastebin.us/2458
[04:01] <bddebian> debian/control: http://pastebin.us/2459
[04:02] <ajmitch> & permissions, etc are all correct?
[04:05] <bddebian> afaik
[04:05] <TheMuso> c
[04:05] <bddebian> or was that not at me?
[04:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: Do I need to drop the previous version changelog entries?
[04:07] <ajmitch> no
[04:18] <bddebian> OK, now I'm really confused.  All of the sudden it appears to be working and I didn't change anything..
[04:23] <LaserJock> bddebian: Heisenbug?
[04:23] <bddebian> Apparently..
[04:23] <TheMuso> ajmitch: When you applied the debdiff, did you get any messages about patch hunks already applied etc?
[04:24] <ajmitch> didn't see
[04:24] <ajmitch> I'll check again
[04:24] <TheMuso> Ok I may have ti wrong. How do you apply debdiffs?
[04:24] <TheMuso> it
[04:25] <ajmitch> with patch -pX < whatever.debdiff
[04:25] <TheMuso> Hm ok.
[04:25] <TheMuso> I didn't have it wrong then.
[04:25] <ajmitch> nah, same results
[04:25] <ajmitch> strange thing
[04:26] <TheMuso> WHat ver of the package are you applying the debdiff to?
[04:26] <TheMuso> THe one currently in the archives?
[04:27] <ajmitch> yes
[04:27] <TheMuso> Weird.
[04:28] <TheMuso> I don't know why I am getting this:
[04:28] <TheMuso> patching file Makefile.in
[04:28] <TheMuso> Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n] 
[04:28] <ajmitch> & then I was going to get a diff against the current debian version
[04:28] <ajmitch> but, if you can provide a debdiff against what's in debian, it would be appreciated
[04:29] <TheMuso> Ok I can do that.
[04:29] <TheMuso> As soon as I work out why that question is being asked.
[04:29] <ajmitch> sure
[04:35] <TheMuso> ajmitch: http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/0.6.1-2_0.6.1-2ubuntu1.diff
[04:35] <ajmitch> now that's much shorter to review
[04:37] <ajmitch> TheMuso: looks good
[04:37] <ajmitch> I'll just do a test build
[04:38] <TheMuso> Ok, I just realised something which I fixed in the bigger debdiff.
[04:38] <ajmitch> which was?
[04:39] <TheMuso> Put a . where it shouldn't have been.
[04:39] <TheMuso> If you grab the diff again its fixed
[04:39] <ajmitch> hm
[04:39] <ajmitch> ok
[04:39] <TheMuso> Accidentally had one in a Description line.
[04:39] <ajmitch> is it really that bad?
[04:39] <TheMuso> My punctuation is two good sometimes.
[04:39] <TheMuso> Well I have been pulled up for it before.
[04:39] <ajmitch> :)
[04:40] <ajmitch> I'll fix it manually if you tell me where
[04:40] <ajmitch> speech-dispatcher-flite description?
[04:40] <TheMuso> The description field for speech-dispatcher-flite in debian/control
[04:40] <TheMuso> Yep.
[04:41] <ajmitch> ok, fixed that, will tell you when the build is done & I can upload
[04:41] <TheMuso> Ok.
[04:41] <TheMuso> Thanks heaps. I am going to work with Milan about cleaning that mess up. :)
[04:42] <ajmitch> well it builds quickly
[04:42] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[04:42] <TheMuso> On a fast machine that is.
[04:42] <ajmitch> heh
[04:42] <TheMuso> Takes a while on my celeron 466.  :)
[04:42] <ajmitch> just rebuilding it again now :)
[04:42] <TheMuso> Ok.
[04:43] <ajmitch> 2-3 minutes isn't that long..
[04:43] <TheMuso> No thats true.
[04:49] <ajmitch> TheMuso: what is speech-dispatcher-festival meant to contain?
[04:49] <TheMuso> Tools to allow festival to work better with speech-dispatcher.
[04:50] <ajmitch> it looks pretty empty here
[04:50] <TheMuso> And it is strongly recommended for them to be used, if speech-dispatcher is configured to use festival as the synth.
[04:50] <ajmitch> ./usr/lib/speech-dispatcher-modules/sd_festival is in the main speech-dispatcher package
[04:50] <ajmitch> -rw-r--r-- root/root      1205 2006-08-03 14:43 ./usr/share/doc/speech-dispatcher-festival/README.Debian
[04:50] <TheMuso> Let me check
[04:50] <ajmitch> -rw-r--r-- root/root       925 2006-08-03 14:43 ./usr/share/doc/speech-dispatcher-festival/copyright
[04:50] <ajmitch> -rw-r--r-- root/root      2504 2006-08-03 14:43 ./usr/share/doc/speech-dispatcher-festival/changelog.Debian.gz
[04:50] <ajmitch> that's the whole contents of speech-dispatcher-festival here
[04:50] <TheMuso> Hmm ok.
[04:50] <bddebian> Heya jaldhar
[04:51] <ajmitch> could be a debian bug
[04:51] <ajmitch> it's been known to happen before
[04:52] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[04:53] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Its a metapackage.
[04:53] <ajmitch> ah
[04:53] <TheMuso> It pulls in another, totally separate package.
[04:54] <ajmitch> so now you have a circular depends between speech-dispatcher & speech-dispatcher-festival
[04:54] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[04:55] <TheMuso> Just a matter of removing the speech-dispatcher dependancy from speech-dispatcher-festival
[04:55] <ajmitch> as it stands at the moment, there's no benefit from having that extra metapackage
[04:55] <jaldhar> bddebian: hi there
[04:55] <ajmitch> there was in debian, because it was in Suggests
[04:55] <TheMuso> Yeah true.
[05:12] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Ok, I have done a massive cleanup, and reworked some docs here. So what debdiff(s) would you like?
[05:12] <TheMuso> Clean up as in removed speech-dispatcher-fesitva
[05:12] <TheMuso> festival
[05:13] <ajmitch> debdiff against debian, if you wish
[05:14] <TheMuso> Doesn't bother me.
[05:14] <TheMuso> I can do that.
[05:14] <ajmitch> it'd be smaller
[05:14] <TheMuso> true.
[05:14] <ajmitch> are you sure that you want to remove speech-dispatcher-festival?
[05:15] <TheMuso> Well it only depends on festival-freebsoft-utils, which has the stuff in it thats needed.
[05:15] <TheMuso> Do you think I shouldn't?
[05:15] <ajmitch> it's just a bit of a change from debian
[05:15] <ajmitch> up to you
[05:15] <ajmitch> I don't use the software, and I can't say what's more useful
[05:15] <TheMuso> Fair enough.
[05:15] <TheMuso> Well I am doing some spec preparation for it, so what better time than now. :)
[05:15] <ajmitch> ok :)
[05:15] <TheMuso> Twill be going into main soon hopefully.
[05:16] <TheMuso> heh
[05:17] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: please don't
[05:17] <TheMuso> I'm not worried.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: :(
[05:19] <zul> wha...you just got a check
[05:19] <zul> :)
[05:20] <ajmitch> which takes a week or so to clear
[05:20] <zul> ah
[05:20] <tritium> We should fund ajmitch for his Summer of Lunch
[05:20] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[05:20] <ajmitch> heh
[05:20] <tritium> hey bddebian
[05:21] <ajmitch> tritium: all donations are welcome
[05:21] <tritium> ajmitch: check is in the mail ;)
[05:22] <ajmitch> how very helpful
[05:23] <TheMuso> heh
[05:25] <imbrandon> heh i put everything on batery backups but my darn router LOL
[05:25] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Same link to the diff as before.
[05:25] <ajmitch> ok.. hopefully the proxy doesn't cache it
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> My package has lightbulb-hammer status in REVU
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> watch for broken glass.
[05:25] <ajmitch> that's nice
[05:26] <bluefoxicy> no seriously wtf are the icons
[05:26] <bluefoxicy> there's got to be a guide I'm missing here somewhere.
[05:26] <imbrandon> bluefoxicy: hove over them
[05:26] <imbrandon> hoer*
[05:26] <imbrandon> grrr
[05:26] <imbrandon> hover*
[05:26] <bluefoxicy> ah.
[05:27] <bluefoxicy> I didn't think of that, I tried view image to see the file name :)
[05:27] <TheMuso> heh
[05:27] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> wow!  A package deemed "inappropriate"
[05:28] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: there are a few, yes
[05:29] <bluefoxicy> Hobbsee:  hot-babe in particular; I actually tested out RATS on that to see what it would be like using source code audit tools.
[05:32] <bluefoxicy> I do miss AMOR from KDE though.  There needs to be a GTK+ version; I want a tiny microkitty on my screen again :)
[05:33] <bddebian> w00t, attal builds and installs but can't find the themes files.. :-(
[05:33] <bddebian> Stupid thing is looking in /usr/local/share... instead of /usr/share..
[05:34] <ajmitch> TheMuso: great, only 3 lintian wanrings on the resulting debs :)
[05:34] <TheMuso> Right.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: do we care about htem though?
[05:34] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: it depends on what the warning is
[05:34] <Hobbsee> yay, it's edgy, yay, the package is versioned wrong, because we're not in debian.
[05:34] <ajmitch> not those ones
[05:34] <ajmitch> W: speech-dispatcher-flite: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/lib/speech-dispatcher-modules/sd_flite /usr/lib/speech-dispatcher/
[05:34] <ajmitch> ones like that
[05:35] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:36] <TheMuso> ajmitch: What is that supposed to mean?
[05:36] <ajmitch> that it shouldn't define rpath, because rpath is bad & wrong
[05:37] <TheMuso> Ah right.
[05:37] <ajmitch> informative, no?
[05:37] <ajmitch> you'd need to search google a bit for info on it
[05:37] <TheMuso> I have seen something like that before, with another package.
[05:38] <ajmitch> AM_CFLAGS = -DLOCALEDIR=\"$(localedir)\" -I/usr/include/ $(inc_local) @glib_include@ -L$(top_srcdir)/src/audio -I$(top_srcdir)/src/audio -I../../intl/ $(ibmtts_include
[05:38] <ajmitch> ) @SNDFILE_CFLAGS@ -Wl,--rpath -Wl,$(spdlibdir)
[05:38] <ajmitch> yes, that's where it's getting rpath from
[05:38] <Cornellius> Why is rPath wrong & bad ?
[05:38] <ajmitch> src/Modules/Makefile.am
[05:38] <ajmitch> http://wiki.debian.org/RpathIssue
[05:38] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Gah! That means one woul have to re-generate configure etc.
[05:39] <crimsun> Cornellius: different rPath.
[05:39] <ajmitch> I'm surprised that lintian didn't show it for the others
[05:39] <ajmitch> TheMuso: it can be fixed in Makefile.in as well
[05:39] <TheMuso> Right.
[05:39] <Cornellius> Well, I was thinking about rPath Linux, as the distro.
[05:39] <TheMuso> I just might do that.
[05:39] <ajmitch> Cornellius: completely different
[05:39] <Cornellius> Ok
[05:40] <ajmitch> TheMuso: it may not be necessary to get rid of it
[05:40] <ajmitch> "urrently, the only valid use of this feature in Debian is to add non-standard library path (like /usr/lib/<package>) to libraries that are only intended to be used by the executables (or other libraries) within the package."
[05:40] <ajmitch> it's probably because it's in a separate module package that it complains
[05:40] <TheMuso> RIght. I'd say so.
[05:41] <ajmitch> I think we should be fine to upload for now
[05:41] <ajmitch> just keep these issues in mind :)
[05:41] <TheMuso> That module on its own won't work with anything, but since speech-dispatcher is a dep, it should be fine
[05:41] <TheMuso> Will do.
[05:42] <ajmitch> uploading
[05:42] <TheMuso> Ok. Thanks heaps once again ajmitch.
[05:43] <TheMuso> Learning is a good thing.
[05:43] <ajmitch> just get Hobbsee to explain it all for you
[05:43] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hah.
[05:44] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I am a bit of a perfectionist.
[05:44] <ajmitch> you should be able to
[05:44] <ajmitch> TheMuso: that's a good thing :)
[05:44] <TheMuso> And I should have known that this is what happens when you want to change a lot. :)
[05:44] <TheMuso> But I chose the wrong time of night to embark on that little job.
[05:44] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: so's ajmitch, dont worry
[05:45] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I'm not worried.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:45] <TheMuso> I just want to get it right, and do so several times before I even consider going for MOTU.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide > TheMuso
[05:51] <Hobbsee> bddebian: heh, neither.
[05:52] <TheMuso> Yeah you are.
[05:52] <TheMuso> WHy else would you have got it?
[05:53] <zul> bddebian: we already knew that :)
[05:54] <bddebian> crimsun: Are you back?
[05:54] <crimsun> bddebian: of sorts, yes. I'm eating dinner atm and catching up on e-mail (~400)
[05:54] <bddebian> Sheesh
[05:55] <bddebian> It's not picking up my orig.tar.gz, it generated a new tarball..
[05:56] <ajmitch> check the name, etc
[05:57] <bddebian> Ack, frickin' - instead of _
[05:57] <imbrandon> hahah i hate when i do that
[05:58] <LaserJock> can somebody tell me what the deal is with GNU/Linux?
[05:58] <bddebian> LaserJock: The deal?
[05:58] <ajmitch> flamewars & name-calling
[05:58] <ajmitch> as jdub says
[05:59] <Kyral> Technically Linux refers to the Kernel
[05:59] <Kyral> most of the software is GNU Software
[05:59] <Kyral> hence "GNU/Linux"
[05:59] <Kyral> (and GNU/kFreeBSD)
[05:59] <bddebian> GNU/Hurd ;-)
[06:00] <Kyral> Actually since Hurd is the GNU Kernel
[06:00] <Kyral> isn't it just "GNU"
[06:00] <LaserJock> who cares? about the GNU part?
[06:00] <LaserJock> the software isn't all GNU
[06:00] <bddebian> LaserJock: RMS and zealots
[06:00] <Kyral> www.gnu.org
[06:00] <scotth> GNU/Hurd is a lie... it doesn't exist... its a conspiracy
[06:00] <Kyral> now Kyral go bed
[06:00] <bddebian> Kyral: No, Hurd is not the kernel :-)
[06:00] <Kyral> before in his tiredness he goes to BOFH mode over a pointless naming convention
[06:01] <Kyral> I use them interchangeably
[06:01] <bddebian> scotth: Funny that it is running on 4 of my machines at home
[06:01] <LaserJock> what I don't get is why they call it GNU?
[06:01] <bddebian> Mainly because of glibc
[06:02] <bddebian> And the toolchain
[06:02] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:02] <jsgotangco> they couldnt create GNU without creating a free toolchain
[06:02] <scotth> bddebian: I had it on my machine too for a while, and I used to lurk on the l4-hurd list... its a running joke in my office that the hurd is part of a massive conspiracy by the fsf
[06:02] <jsgotangco> so they ended up creating one
[06:02] <bddebian> scotth: :-)
[06:03] <bluefoxicy> scotth:  you don't understand.  The FSF *IS* a massive conspiracy.
[06:03] <LaserJock> ok, so why not be GNU/Linux/OO.o/Firefox/ ad nauseam
[06:03] <ajmitch> scotth: I think I'm still subscribed to that list
[06:03] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: unless the other projects insists heh
[06:03] <bddebian> LaserJock: You have to take that fight to RMS and/or #gnu ;-P
[06:03] <bluefoxicy> How about FOSS/Linux or STFURMS/Linux?
[06:03] <jsgotangco> GNU/Linux has some valid arguments though
[06:03] <scotth> ajmitch: I still watch it through gmane from time to time
[06:03] <bddebian> jsgotangco: Aye
[06:04] <LaserJock> ok, so RMS decided it has to be GNU/Linux?
[06:04] <jsgotangco> no not at all
[06:04] <jsgotangco> FSF != RMS
[06:04] <bddebian> LaserJock: Realistically you could not have a just "Linux" system, since linux is merely the kernel.  It wouldn't do much :-)
[06:04] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:04] <LaserJock> right
[06:04] <jsgotangco> so the GNU utlities are on top of the kernel
[06:04] <LaserJock> but who cares?
[06:04] <jsgotangco> FSF does
[06:04] <LaserJock> it's all putting stuff on top of other stuff
[06:05] <LaserJock> so what makes GNU special?
[06:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: the FSF cares because they want to promote freedom, rather than just software that doesn't suck
[06:05] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: FSF is more inclined to the philosophical/social implications rather than technical in which OSI emphasize
[06:06] <LaserJock> sure
[06:06] <LaserJock> I'm not denying any of that
[06:06] <LaserJock> I just don't understand why GNU is so special
[06:06] <bddebian> Crap what's the best syntax for removing object files out of subdirs?  rm -rf */.o ?
[06:06] <jsgotangco> well gcc for starters
[06:07] <crimsun> if there's no Makefile target that does so, I'd probably use find(1)
[06:07] <LaserJock> I understand that gcc is is a big deal
[06:07] <scotth> yeah I like find for that
[06:07] <jsgotangco> imagine naming your distribution GNOME/GNU/Ubuntu Linux
[06:07] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:08] <LaserJock> yeah, that's my point
[06:08] <bddebian> crimsun: Can I get away with find ./ *.o |xargs rm -rf  or would xargs fail on some shells?
[06:08] <crimsun> the more time we waste debating it, the less time we're spending QAing our distro.
[06:08] <imbrandon> crimsun: +1
[06:08] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: i guess they don't want to dilute the GNU branding of sorts and its history/legacy for what its worth
[06:09] <scotth> there is always intel's compiler and ibm's for powerpc, and doesn't sun have one for slowaris? gcc isn't the only game in town
[06:09] <crimsun> bddebian: that would work[ or find(1)'s -exec] 
[06:09] <ajmitch> crimsun: that's why some of us are trying to ignore this conversation & work
[06:13] <bddebian> crimsun and/or ajmitch: Any chance I could get one of you (or both) to check out this package if I posted it?
[06:14] <ajmitch> possibly
[06:14] <bddebian> Well that means no :-)
[06:14] <TheMuso> In the packaging guide where pot files is talked about, what tool does one use for getting pot files if the package doesn't use kde?
[06:15] <LaserJock> TheMuso: have no idea, I had nothing to do with that silly doc
[06:15] <TheMuso> hmm ok
[06:15] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:15] <bddebian> LaserJock: ;-P
[06:16] <TheMuso> Referring to bug #55006 specifically
[06:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55006 in freetalk "POT files not available" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55006
[06:16] <LaserJock> doh, where did Hobbsee go?
[06:17] <TheMuso> Off to a lecture.
[06:17] <LaserJock> hmm, she would know
[06:18] <LaserJock> TheMuso: the problem is I really don't know anything about the KDE stuff :(
[06:18] <TheMuso> Right.
[06:18] <crimsun> that's a quick fix. Shove a rule to generate POT in debian/rules.
[06:19] <TheMuso> Yeah, but what too do I use? I was pointed to the packaging guide as to how to do it, and it is kde specific.
[06:19] <TheMuso> Referrs to kde specific tools that is.
[06:21] <crimsun> gettext, normally, for .po. Check with Riddell.
[06:23] <imbrandon> mkdir -p po
[06:23] <imbrandon>         XGETTEXT=/usr/bin/kde-xgettext sh admin/cvs.sh extract-messages
[06:23] <bddebian> http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/attal/ if anyone has time.  I've only built on dapper so far
[06:24] <TheMuso> hmmm ok
[06:29] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:29] <imbrandon> gnight bddebian
[06:29] <bddebian> Night imbrandon
[06:35] <imbrandon> TheMuso: are you doing 55006
[06:36] <TheMuso> imbrandon: no not currently
[06:36] <TheMuso> take it if you want
[06:36] <imbrandon> kk just dident wanna dupe work
[06:37] <TheMuso> I was just wondering how one would take care of pot files
[06:37] <imbrandon> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ubuntu-kubuntu.html  <--- very bottom of that page
[06:37] <imbrandon> tell how FYI
[06:37] <imbrandon> s/tell/tells
[06:38] <imbrandon> but i got it and 07 08 09 10 all are pot stuff, easy fixes
[06:39] <TheMuso> imbrandon: That is kde specific.
[06:40] <imbrandon> pots are only used by kde apps in rosetta afaik
[06:40] <TheMuso> Not afaik
[06:40] <TheMuso> I thought GNOME apps were as well.
[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[06:40] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[06:40] <imbrandon> heya
[06:40] <ajmitch> you're up far too early
[06:40] <TheMuso> Besides. Thats not even a kde app.
[06:40] <imbrandon> hrm ok /me looks closer
[06:40] <imbrandon> heh
[06:41] <dholbach> hey ajmitch - yeah, you could say that
[07:00] <Hobbsee> hi again all
[07:02] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[07:09] <LaserJock> TheMuso: still around?
[07:09] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: he was in -bugs
[07:10] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: k, he was asking about the pot stuff
[07:11] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes, wonder what i missed with that
[07:14] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you're planning to give a MOTU school session soon?
[07:14] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Yeah I know.
[07:14] <TheMuso> imbrandon and dholbach were talking about it.
[07:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yeah, next week
[07:15] <LaserJock> I got sfflaw to do a bug triaging session Friday
[07:15] <LaserJock> doh
[07:15] <Hobbsee> that would be cool
[07:16] <ajmitch> do we have logs of crimsun's session to put up on that MOTU/School page?
[07:16] <crimsun> carthik should. I didn't log, but I'll try to post my outline soon.
[07:17] <Hobbsee> crimsun: when/what did you do a session?
[07:17] <ajmitch> I probably have logs as well
[07:17] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: it was on merging
[07:17] <Hobbsee> and i missed it.  darn.
[07:17] <Hobbsee> why did i not get mail notification of this?
[07:17] <crimsun> it turned into "when to sync instead of merge", but I guess that's as good as any.
[07:17] <ajmitch> sigh, one problem with setting my screen to 1600x1200 is that the fonts are just too small in firefox
[07:17] <imbrandon> crimsun: yup ;)
[07:18] <imbrandon> ajmitch: i run 1600x1200 all the time , ff seems to use the same fonts as the rest of my desktop
[07:18] <imbrandon> not the case in gnome ?
[07:18] <Hobbsee> crimsun: true...
[07:18] <ajmitch> imbrandon: exactly
[07:18] <StevenK> ajmitch: You can tell firefox to use bigger fonts.
[07:18] <ajmitch> StevenK: I know that :P
[07:18] <imbrandon> ahh ajmitch well that ok for me hehe
[07:19] <imbrandon> yea ctl+shift+ +/- i think, havent used that in a long time
[07:20] <imbrandon> at 1600x1200 i usaly just keep many aprox 1024x768 windows open on one desktop anyhow
[07:21] <imbrandon> so i can see irc web console etc all at the same time
[07:21] <crimsun> well aren't you fancyshmancy with your 1600x1200 ;-p
[07:21] <imbrandon> if i could get both my monitors working i would be happy
[07:21] <imbrandon> heh
[07:21] <imbrandon> hehe crimsun
[07:23] <imbrandon> heh my "other" monitor only does 800x600 max becouse of the 1mb trident card i got pushing it
[07:23] <ajmitch> ouch
[07:23] <imbrandon> heh yea
[07:23] <imbrandon> its the only spare vid card i had laying arround
[07:23] <ajmitch> I don't think I have any working PCI cards
[07:23] <ajmitch> apart from maybe the voodoo2
[07:24] <ajmitch> and trying to use X on that is a real hack
[07:24] <imbrandon> heh i bet
[07:24] <crimsun> not unlike getting reasonable 3d on an s3 virge.
[07:24] <ajmitch> the 3d decelerator?
[07:24] <crimsun> yep
[07:24] <imbrandon> actauly that kwin Xvesa pushes the trident good at 1024x768 but i havent found how to run two seperate X's on seperate monitors yet
[07:25] <imbrandon> if there even is a way
[07:25] <imbrandon> or tinyx or what ever its called now, the DSL X server
[07:26] <imbrandon> basicly i just need to pickup a nvidia pci card and replace it, would make life much easier
[07:27] <ajmitch> they should be cheap enough if you can find them
[07:27] <imbrandon> yea they have them ay compu usa down the road here for under $50
[07:27] <imbrandon> just havent went and done it, kinda low priority atm
[07:28] <imbrandon> but for now its good to have a konsole window open on the 800x600 display ;)
[07:28] <imbrandon> that basicly all i use it for right now
[07:30] <imbrandon> whoops i thought it was a trident , guess its an old 1mb S3
[07:30] <imbrandon> 01:0b.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+] 
[07:30] <imbrandon> heh
[07:31] <imbrandon> still same deal, old and barely usefull on desktops ( makes a good headless server card though )
[07:31] <ajmitch> ah, one of them
[07:31] <ajmitch> yeah
[07:31] <ajmitch> I think I may still have a 2MB s3 in a box here
[07:31] <imbrandon> heheh
[07:32] <dooglus> ajmitch: you know that firefox has a setting for "minimum font size", right?  you don't need to control-+ in every tab
[07:33] <ajmitch> dooglus: yes I know that, and it was one of the first things I changed
[07:33] <dooglus> ok
[07:34] <dooglus> alternatively, there's an environment variable you can set to enable pango in firefox
[07:34] <Hobbsee> ajmitch knows everything :P
[07:34] <imbrandon> heh
[07:35] <TheMuso> heh
[07:35] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Thanks a lot.
[07:35] <imbrandon> heh
[07:35] <TheMuso> I am in a good mood at the moment. DO you want to change that?
[07:35] <imbrandon> nope /me hides
[07:35] <imbrandon> lol
[07:36] <imbrandon> ajmitch: you mess with bzr alot right ? mind if i ask you a few newbish questions about it
[07:36] <ajmitch> go ahead
[07:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: he bites.
[07:37] <imbrandon> ok the LP brz import feature from cvs/svn
[07:37] <ajmitch> yes...?
[07:37] <imbrandon> if say i wanted to import the upstream code
[07:37] <imbrandon> from apt-mirror
[07:37] <imbrandon> into a brz branch in LP
[07:37] <imbrandon> would it "ceep on syncing"
[07:37] <imbrandon> s/c/k
[07:37] <ajmitch> yes, it does
[07:38] <ajmitch> that's more of a launchpad question though
[07:38] <imbrandon> and i make my changes to another "branch"
[07:38] <imbrandon> heh yea but i kinda mix the two as i've never used anythgin but cvs actively ( i've grabed brz code and svn code but never commits etc )
[07:39] <imbrandon> but i was wondering if a bzr branch of the apt-mirror on LP would be easy to maintain and keep in sync with upstream
[07:39] <imbrandon> dose it sync back the other way too ?
[07:39] <imbrandon> err can it
[07:39] <ajmitch> what do you mean by sync back the other way?
[07:39] <imbrandon> LP --> cvs
[07:40] <ajmitch> there's information that bzr stores that cvs just can't represent
[07:40] <ajmitch> (ie, cvs sucks)
[07:40] <imbrandon> ahh hrm so
[07:40] <imbrandon> hrm
[07:40] <imbrandon> yea heheh badly
[07:40] <imbrandon> i dont disagree there just havent used anything else
[07:40] <imbrandon> other than basic annon checkouts
[07:41] <ajmitch> it'd be easy for you to keep merging with the upstream import
[07:41] <ajmitch> but you'd have to submit diffs back to upstream
[07:41] <ajmitch> unless you get upstream cvs commit access
[07:41] <imbrandon> ok so LP would in a sence keep 2 copys , upstreams import and my branch ?
[07:41] <ajmitch> of course
[07:42] <ajmitch> you may have several branches of something
[07:42] <imbrandon> and then i just make simple patches as like right now and send upstream
[07:42] <ajmitch> yes
[07:42] <imbrandon> ok and the package for ubuntu can be buildt from the brz branch though auto iirc right ?
[07:42] <ajmitch> I'm sorry?
[07:43] <imbrandon> wasent it talked about where the archive would just buld the packages from brz in LP ?
[07:43] <ajmitch> you'll have problems with commands if you keep on typing brz :)
[07:43] <imbrandon> or we still have to do it the old fasion way atm
[07:43] <ajmitch> it was talked about
[07:43] <ajmitch> it doesn't mean that anything is planned yet
[07:43] <imbrandon> heh
[07:43] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[07:44] <imbrandon> is this info on the wiki some where ( how to import cvs to LP/bzr ? )
[07:45] <ajmitch> probably not
[07:45] <ajmitch> since it's just a simple task to do when registering a product
[07:45] <imbrandon> ok even with apt-mirror in the archive i regester it as a product
[07:45] <ajmitch> of course
[07:45] <imbrandon> and just import from there
[07:45] <ajmitch> products != packages
[07:45] <imbrandon> right
[07:45] <ajmitch> one of the fun things about launchpad
[07:46] <ajmitch> eg there's launchpad.net/products/f-spot
[07:46] <ajmitch> which has a couple of branches imported
[07:46] <crimsun> imbrandon: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto ?
[07:46] <ajmitch> and then the packages
[07:46] <imbrandon> yea i notieced  fedora and fink distro there too thats gonna be fun
[07:46] <imbrandon> crimsun: breifly
[07:47] <imbrandon> ok cool ,i think this is enough info for me to run with, i'm gonna go try my hand at it
[08:34] <imbrandon> hum crimsun ping
[08:36] <imbrandon> upstream dosent seem to maintain the cvs, they just upload when a new version is out a src tar ( so i might try to convice them to use bzr ) but in the meantime i decided to push it the way BzrMaintainerHowto says and i get this  .....
[08:36] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/apt-mirror-0.4.4$ bzr push --create-prefix sftp://imbrandon@bazzar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/apt-mirror/upstream
[08:36] <imbrandon> 0 revision(s) pushed.
[08:36] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/apt-mirror-0.4.4$
[08:36] <imbrandon> ajmitch / crimsun ^^
[08:36] <imbrandon> i have dont bzr init and commit
[08:37] <imbrandon> any clues for a bzr newb heh
[08:39] <imbrandon> http://pastebin.ca/112795 <--- shows what i did thus far
[08:39] <imbrandon> but it dosent seem to be working
[08:40] <crimsun> imbrandon: the 0 revisions pushed is a cosmetic bug.
[08:40] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[08:40] <imbrandon> whew
[08:40] <imbrandon> lol i thinght i messed up
[08:40] <imbrandon> thought*
[08:40] <crimsun> yes, that was a head-scratcher when I first started.
[08:40] <imbrandon> crimsun: can you glance at the pastebin and make sure that is what i was supose to do though
[08:41] <carthik> crimsun, sorry for the delay in posting the guide - clean up in progress.
[08:41] <imbrandon> brb gonna grab a soda
[08:42] <crimsun> carthik: np, thank you.
[08:42] <crimsun> imbrandon: no, that looks strange
[08:42] <crimsun> imbrandon: I don't see an 'upstream' branch at all
[08:43] <imbrandon> yea i dont either, thats why
[08:43] <imbrandon> i thought i messed up
[08:43] <crimsun> imbrandon: please ensure that you have python-paramiko installed.
[08:43] <imbrandon> ok one sec
[08:44] <imbrandon> nope its not
[08:44] <imbrandon> installing now
[08:44] <imbrandon> should that not give an error/warning etc if i needed it heeh
[08:44] <imbrandon> ok repush now?
[08:44] <crimsun> I would erase .bzr (from the top-level of the extracted source package)
[08:44] <crimsun> then re-init, re-add, re-push
[08:44] <imbrandon> kk
[08:45] <crimsun> no, it won't error out or give a warning
[08:46] <crimsun> it will do precisely what it just did, which is appear to have worked (but actually write to the cwd)
[08:47] <imbrandon> yea i noticed i had a sftp: dir i had to remove
[08:47] <imbrandon> he
[08:47] <imbrandon> heh
[08:48] <imbrandon> hum, new error
[08:48] <imbrandon> lemme pastebin something about public key
[08:49] <imbrandon> http://pastebin.ca/112801
[08:49] <imbrandon> ahhh my ssh key is wrong
[08:49] <imbrandon> duh
[08:49] <imbrandon> ok nvm
[08:49] <imbrandon> i can fix that
[08:50] <imbrandon> looks like it will work after that though, thanks ( that package might should be noted on the BzrMaintainerHowto also hehehe )
[08:51] <crimsun> yes, it would be wise to amend wiki page{,s}
[08:52] <crimsun> what a killer hour to have a distro team meeting. :)
[08:53] <imbrandon> distro team meeting ?
[08:53] <imbrandon> dev team ?
[08:54] <crimsun> yeah, in <7 minutes.
[08:54] <imbrandon> heh core dev or all motu too ?
[08:54] <imbrandon> heh
[08:54] <imbrandon> maybe they can kill the damn mono thread stuff this meeting
[08:54] <carthik> crimsun, meanwhile, if someone asks, the following has a ~cleaned up log: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Merging-and-Syncing
[08:55] <crimsun> carthik: thank you
[08:55] <imbrandon> carthik: thanks, i look forward to reading it
[08:55] <carthik> crimsun, no, thank you! :)
[08:55] <imbrandon> and crimsun ;)
[09:21] <Hobbsee> hi all
[09:22] <Gloubiboulga> hello Hobbsee
[09:22] <Hobbsee> hey Gloubiboulga :)
[09:53] <kagou> hi
[10:04] <imbrandon> crimsun: ping , you still arround ?
[11:15] <ajmitch> imbrandon: problems?
[11:16] <imbrandon> nah i figureed it out, i was trying to merge a bzr branch with a non bzr branch
[11:16] <imbrandon> thanks though
[11:16] <ajmitch> ok
[11:17] <imbrandon> TONS simpler than cvs
[11:17] <imbrandon> simply copy the .bzr and status/commit
[11:17] <imbrandon> heh
[11:19] <ajmitch> ah, doing it that way
[11:20] <ajmitch> you may want to do bzr add for missing files as well
[11:21] <imbrandon> yea this time there wasent any but lifeless clued me in on a better way too
[11:22] <imbrandon> [03:20]  <lifeless> bzr branch upstream packaged-copy
[11:22] <imbrandon> [03:20]  <lifeless> cp -a the-copy-you-made-before-bzrising packaged-copy/
[11:22] <imbrandon> [03:20]  <lifeless> cd packaged-copy
[11:22] <imbrandon> [03:20]  <lifeless> and now fix it up and commit
[11:22] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:31] <imbrandon> whats the approperate abriv for kilobytes ? kb or Kb or KiB or KB ?
[11:31] <imbrandon> ( on disk not internet speeds )
[11:36] <Nafallo> I would say KB, since KiB is that new format (kibi?) :-)
[11:38] <TheMuso> What does one do to request a sync to fix an FTBFS? Package is caudium, seems sid has a newer version, which is to fix the very issue that the version in edgy has.
[11:39] <ajmitch> file a bug, get it ACKed by a MOTU, subscribe ubuntu-archive
[11:39] <TheMuso> ok
[11:50] <TheMuso> Bug ##55038
[11:53] <ajmitch> I'll test build & ACK
[11:55] <TheMuso> Ok.
[11:55] <TheMuso> I tested the debian ver in pbuilder, seemed alright.
[11:58] <Toadstool> hi all
[11:59] <TheMuso> ~/c
[11:59] <imbrandon> heya Toadstool
[11:59] <TheMuso> Hey Toadstool
[12:00] <Toadstool> hey imbrandon, TheMuso
[12:28] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Did the build succeed?
[12:28] <ajmitch> yes
[12:30] <TheMuso> So how does a MOTU ack it exactly?
[12:31] <StevenK> They comment on it, set it to Confirmed and sub ubuntu-archive
[12:31] <ajmitch> I comment on the bug report
[12:32] <TheMuso> right
[12:32] <TheMuso> Hey StevenK
[12:35] <imbrandon> moins StevenK
[12:35] <imbrandon> ajmitch: bzr fskin rocks man, dunno why i dident try this before
[12:36] <imbrandon> ( compared to other RCS i've used )
[12:36] <imbrandon> and thats very limited but still heh
[01:13] !lilo:*! small regional server split.....about 250 users affected
[01:38] <pygi> anyone alive around? :)
[01:41] <Toadstool> no :)
[01:41] <Toadstool> hi pygi
[01:41] <pygi> hi Toadstool :)
[01:41] <pygi> could you poke apt to see who maintains libburn/libisofs?
[01:42] <pygi> people are doing mess with it :)
[01:42] <Toadstool> you want the name of the Debian maintainer?
[01:43] <pygi> Toadstool, that might also be fine, if we won't fix it in Ubuntu :)
[01:43] <ajmitch> well that's going to be the only maintainer name
[01:44] <Toadstool> the thing is there are no ubuntu specific modifications to those packages
[01:44] <Toadstool> if there's a bug, it's a Debian one
[01:44] <Toadstool> what's the problem anyway?
[01:44] <pygi> Toadstool, I know, but dependencies are bad :P
[01:44] <Toadstool> oh
[01:44] <pygi> libisofs should at least be recommended, if not even direct dependency of libburn package
[01:45] <ajmitch> then why don't you file a bug?
[01:45] <pygi> ajmitch, 'cause I wanted to discuss first? :)
[01:45] <ajmitch> chances are fairly slim that a random package in universe has a ubuntu maintainer
[01:46] <Toadstool> indeed :)
[01:46] <pygi> ajmitch, right,but I still wanna discuss it :P
[01:47] <pygi> right, so we don't fix that in ubuntu? :)
[01:47] <ajmitch> you asked for the maintainer to discuss it with
[01:47] <pygi> right, but I wanna discuss it with ubuntu folks as well so we can fix it here before debian :P
[01:47] <pygi> bleh:P
[01:48] <Toadstool> pygi: your point is libisofs should depend on libburn?
[01:48] <ajmitch> pygi: then you should have said that first
[01:49] <pygi> Toadstool, opposite :) libburn should depend on libisofs, or libisofs should at least be recommended at least
[01:49] <Toadstool> yeah, my mistake :)
[01:49] <pygi> that's my point :P probably recommended is better, as indeed it's not direct depend() of libburn
[01:50] <pygi> ajmitch, and that random package will go into main for edgy+1 if all goes well :)
[01:53] <pygi> so thoughts? :)
[01:55] <Toadstool> I don't understand why libburn should recommend libisofs
[01:57] <pygi> Toadstool, because libisofs complements libburn?
[01:58] <Toadstool> then, to my mind, it's more a Suggests: than a Recommends: ... but I may be wrong :)
[01:58] <Nafallo> Enhances:?
[01:59] <Toadstool> er, /me surrenders :)
[01:59] <pygi> Toadstool, don't, I need opinions :P
[01:59] <Toadstool> heh
[02:01] <Nafallo> hmm, this has something todo with the packaging-writing spec?
[02:01] <Toadstool> not at all, afaik
[02:02] <Nafallo> so why do we see those things in main for edgy+1?
[02:02] <Nafallo> s/thing/lib/
[02:02] <Toadstool> pygi: ^ ? :)
[02:02] <pygi> Toadstool, Nafallo, because HUB will use it :)
[02:02] <hub> pygi: what?
[02:03] <Nafallo> HUB?
[02:03] <Nafallo> lol
[02:03] <Toadstool> heh
[02:03] <pygi> hub, not you :P
[02:03] <pygi> Home User Backup :)
[02:03] <Toadstool> hub, not hub :p
[02:06] <pygi> hub, that happened three times by now :P
[02:07] <hub> I predate that software
[02:07] <hub> I have been using that nick on IRC for over 10 years
[02:08] <pygi> hub, I said nothing :)
[02:08] <Nafallo> pygi: why not use nautilus-cd-burner or something
[02:08] <Nafallo> ?
[02:08] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:10] <pygi> Nafallo, because libburn is better, and I am it's upstream? :P
[02:10] <pygi> bleh :)
[02:10] <Nafallo> baah ;-)
[02:11] <pygi> now you see? :)
[02:41] <imbrandon> Nafallo: and not everyone uses gnome ;)
[02:41] <imbrandon> RE: nautilus-cd-burner
[02:42] <Nafallo> imbrandon: baah. I'm just a bit opposed to have to burninglibs installed in a standardinstall.
[02:42] <Nafallo> s/di/d\ i/
[02:42] <imbrandon> Nafallo: ok how many computers have you seen sold in the last 2 years that dont have a cdrw ?
[02:43] <Nafallo> I always pick parts and build myself, but apart from that, to should have been two :-P.
[02:43] <imbrandon> huh ?
[02:44] <Nafallo> i.e. libnautilusburn and libburn
[02:44] <imbrandon> oh
[02:44] <imbrandon> as i said not everyone uses gnome
[02:44] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:45] <imbrandon> Qt: 3.3.6
[02:45] <imbrandon> KDE: 3.5.4
[02:45] <imbrandon> kde-config: 1.0
[02:45] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:46] <Nafallo> no, but I'm sure kde has some lib for burning aswell? :-)
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:53] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: hi there :-)
[02:53] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:42] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:43] <Nafallo> hiho bddebian :-)
[03:43] <bddebian> Wow, hi Nafallo
[03:44] <bddebian> I thought maybe you had dropped off the planet? :-)
[03:44] <Nafallo> sort of :-). I've been working, but home sick today :-/.
[03:44] <bddebian> Ugh, sorry to hear that
[03:49] <Nafallo> yea, but I earn money so... ;-)
[03:49] <Nafallo> I actually needed to take a break, so it's not that bad.
[03:51] <bddebian> Nafallo: No, I meant about being home sick :-)
[03:51] <Nafallo> yea, me to. not that bad since I get a break this way :-P.
[03:51] <bddebian> :-)
[03:52] <Nafallo> I worked 12h saturday, 12h wednesday and 21h thursday last week ;-)
[03:54] <bddebian> Yikes
[03:58] <Nafallo> money -> upgrade server -> more porn ;-)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[03:58] <bddebian> hehe
[03:59] <bddebian> "so I can make more money, so I can buy more drugs, so I can make more money..."
[03:59] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:54] <zakame> hi all
[05:10] <Gloubiboulga> hello zakame
[05:11] <Hobbsee> hi zakame, Gloubiboulga
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Laser_away: with that patching stuff, you should include the bits that go inside debian/rules so that debian/patches get read, i think
[05:22] <kmilo_libre> Hi
[05:22] <Hobbsee> hi kmilo_libre
[06:10] <bddebian> Hello zakame, Gloubiboulga, kmilo_libre
[06:10] <Gloubiboulga> heya bddebian
[06:14] <Cornellius> :(((
[06:15] <bddebian> Cornellius: ?
[06:15] <Cornellius> No hellos for Cornellius
[06:16] <bddebian> Oh, Hello Cornellius, I was just hitting people that were "talking", sorry :-)
[06:16] <Cornellius> :P
[06:18] <kmilo_libre> LOL
[06:33] <hub> who shall I pester to have an anti-spam installed on the REVU server
[06:33] <hub> list.tauware.de
[06:47] <Nafallo> hub: siretart
[06:47] <hub> siretart: so is it possible to get a spam filter install on the mailing list of motu-reviewers
[06:47] <hub> siretart: I get more spam than signal lately thru this list
[07:28] <bddebian> Holy crap, my attal actually built in Edgy too
[07:31] <Kyral_Laptop> hey bddebian what does HIRD stand for?
[07:31] <bddebian> What's HIRD?
[07:31] <Kyral_Laptop> the H in HURD :P
[07:32] <Kyral_Laptop> I may have swapped the I and R
[07:32] <bddebian>  Herd of Unix Replacing Daemons
[07:32] <Kyral_Laptop> I thought it was HIRD
[07:32] <Kyral_Laptop> what however you spell it
[07:32] <bddebian> WTF is a Hird?
[07:32] <Kyral_Laptop> I dunno!
[07:32] <Kyral_Laptop> Damnit Wikipedia time
[07:34] <Laser_away> Herd sounds right
[07:34] <Kyral_Laptop> "HURD is an indirectly recursive acronym, standing for "HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons", where "HIRD" stands for "HURD of Interfaces Representing Depth"" - Wikipedia
[07:35] <Kyral_Laptop> lol
[07:36] <Kyral_Laptop> something wrong?
[07:36] <bddebian> Kyral_Laptop: Yeah, that's stupid :-)
[07:36] <Kyral_Laptop> lol
[07:37] <Kyral_Laptop> then go correct it :P
[08:28] <ryanakca> Gloubiboulga: ping
[08:28] <Gloubiboulga> ryanakca, pong
[08:29] <ryanakca> I updated the packaging to that clip daemon, had a look at it?
[08:29] <Gloubiboulga> I'll have a look now
[08:29] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[08:31] <Gloubiboulga> if I find it on REVU...
[08:31] <Gloubiboulga> ah, got it :)
[08:36] <ryanakca> :)
[08:36] <Gloubiboulga> ryanakca, the packaging looks fine, I'm testing the build
[08:36] <ryanakca> kk
[08:36] <Gloubiboulga> but I'm not sure it'll work since archive.u.c is very slow tonight
[08:37] <ryanakca> ah...
[08:37] <ryanakca> you in europe? (judging from the tonight)
[08:37] <Gloubiboulga> ah, built :)
[08:37] <Gloubiboulga> yep, in France
[08:37] <ryanakca> nice :)
[08:40] <Gloubiboulga> ryanakca, nice work :)
[08:43] <ryanakca> Gloubiboulga: ty
[08:45] <ryanakca> add a manpage... hmmm... dunno how... but I'll google it... and watch file... same thing
[08:45] <Gloubiboulga> those two files are not required, but appreciated
[08:46] <Gloubiboulga> and it's just a suggestion ;)
[08:46] <Nafallo> isn't manpage required anymore?
[08:47] <Gloubiboulga> Nafallo, I discovered a few weeks ago that it's not required
[08:47] <Nafallo> hmm, must have changed recently then...
[08:47] <Gloubiboulga> I don't know about 'anymore' ;)
[08:48] <Gloubiboulga> /me.sleep()
[08:48] <Nafallo> well, I'll reread debian's policy when I have time later then...
[08:49] <ryanakca> lol, G'night Gloubiboulga
[09:14] <lordlamer> hello. i have made a debian package. how can i migrate that package to ubuntu?
[09:15] <Yagisan> any of us motu's graphics artists ?
[09:16] <Yagisan> wacom tablets work with Ubuntu right ?
[09:17] <crimsun> (yes)
[09:17] <bddebian> Heya crimsun and Yagisan
[09:17] <Yagisan> thanks crimsun. That gets me 2 more converts now :)
[09:18] <Yagisan> I'm converting all the windows programmers in my project to Ubuntu :)
[09:18] <Yagisan> heh heh.
[09:18] <Yagisan> what's up bddebian ?
[09:19] <ryanakca> Yagisan: my Graphire 3 works wonders... only thing that doesn't work is the eraser...
[09:19] <Yagisan> thanks ryanakca. Thats good to know
[09:19] <ryanakca> the wacom driver thinks it's a pen... so the eraser writes as well... a two sided pen :)
[09:22] <Yagisan> that's rather funny
[09:44] <bddebian> Yagisan: Not much man, you?
[09:45] <Yagisan> bddebian, I've been doing an allnighter for my assignments, and converting Windows devs to Ubuntu
[09:53] <bddebian> Nice
[10:33] <LaserJock> Toadstool: you are moving to San Diego?
[10:33] <Toadstool> yep
[10:33] <Toadstool> a one-year internship
[10:34] <LaserJock> cool
[10:34] <Toadstool> at Texas Instruments, San Diego
[10:34] <LaserJock> nice
[10:34] <Toadstool> yeah :)
[10:35] <LaserJock> well, I'm not exactly *that* close to San Diego, but if you ever have a chance to hit northern California you should let me know
[10:35] <Toadstool> where do you live?
[10:35] <LaserJock> Reno, NV
[10:35] <Toadstool> ah ok :)
[10:36] <LaserJock> it's about a 4 hr drive East from San Francisco
[10:39] <Toadstool> LaserJock: if by any chance I'll drive nearby Reno, I'll let you know then ;)
[10:43] <LaserJock> Toadstool: cool
[10:44] <bddebian> Reno is a dump
[10:44] <bddebian> Hi Toadstool and LaserJock :)
[10:44] <Toadstool> hey bddebian :)
[11:28] <LaserJock> bddebian: i agree with you
[11:33] <bddebian> LaserJock: ?
[11:33] <LaserJock> reno is a dump
[11:33] <bddebian> Oh :-)
[11:33] <LaserJock> I don't much care for it
[11:34] <LaserJock> crimsun: ping?
[11:40] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:44] <ryanakca> can someone please look at  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2812 ? I need one more person to advocate :)
[11:51] <Toadstool> ryanakca: in debian/control, bump Standards-Version to 3.7.2 and you really should add a manpage (a missing manpage is considered as a bug according to the Debian policy)
[11:52] <LaserJock> I agree
[11:52] <Toadstool> apart from that, good work ;)
[11:52] <ryanakca> got any links on writing manpages?
[11:55] <Toadstool> ryanakca: /usr/share/debhelper/dh_make/debian/manpage.1.ex is a good template for a simple manpage
[11:55] <ryanakca> Toadstool: ty
[11:56] <Toadstool> np
[12:00] <Toadstool> g'night everybody
[12:00] <LaserJock> cya ToadZzZztool
[12:02] <crimsun> LaserJock: pong