[12:25] <cbx33> mhz, pong
[12:25] <mhz> cbx33: hey, is AliasVegas around?
[12:26] <cbx33> 2 secs
[12:27] <cbx33> she is but sh'es afk
[12:27] <cbx33> what d'ya need
[12:34] <mhz> cbx33: I want to submit a ccouple of wallpapers to edubuntu
[12:34] <mhz> I have tried a.u.c but it is not possible
[12:36] <cbx33> a.u.c ?
[12:36] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Worksheet
[12:36] <cbx33> add them to the bottom of there
[12:48] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: pong... still around?
[12:51] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: nevermind, sorry. IRC problem
[12:54] <HedgeMage> np
[02:03] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[02:03] <jsgotangco> hey
[02:05] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: bzr branch http://dev.realistanew.com/gallium--tw
[02:05] <jsgotangco> tw?
[02:06] <LaserJock> that's Amaranth 
[02:06] <jsgotangco> there's a project called gallium btw
[02:06] <LaserJock> what? bummer
[02:06] <jsgotangco> Gallium is intended  to provide a free (licensed under the GNU LGPL),
[02:06] <jsgotangco>  portable and API-compatible Carbon* emulator for the X Window System.
[02:07] <LaserJock> hmm, we'll just have to call ours gallium-ng ;-)
[02:07] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: I recommend Periodicum, which is latin for periodic
[02:07] <LaserJock> hmm, that's a little long, but I like the idea
[02:08] <Burgundavia> I believe Periodica is esperanto for the same thing
[02:08] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: anyway, run python table.py
[02:08] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: that's maybe better
[02:08] <jsgotangco> ok branching
[02:09] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: you are going to need to split out the kalzium package, so it can be installed with all the qt-crap^WWWfluff
[02:09] <LaserJock> why do we need kalzium?
[02:10] <Burgundavia> are you not using their data?
[02:10] <LaserJock> sure, it's an .xml file
[02:10] <jsgotangco> the table clipped
[02:10] <LaserJock> yeah, you gotta drag it out
[02:11] <jsgotangco> it doesnt render beyond element 103 yet
[02:11] <jsgotangco> oh wait
[02:11] <jsgotangco> it just did
[02:11] <jsgotangco> oh i just noticed it uses cairo
[02:12] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:15] <LaserJock> anyway, that's development, day 1
[02:15] <LaserJock> or so
[02:16] <Amaranth> more or less 24 hours after i started i ended up with that :)
[02:16] <LaserJock> and if lucasvo wasn't so pick with the arrows we could have gotten farther ;-)
[02:16] <LaserJock> *picky
[02:17] <Amaranth> btw, pull again and it sets the window size correctly
[02:20] <jsgotangco> ahh that's very nice
[02:22] <jsgotangco> Elements object is EVIL?
[02:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:23] <LaserJock> we picked that up from Kalzium I believe
[02:23] <Amaranth> jsgotangco: the position table
[02:24] <Amaranth> No one is allowed to edit it without me killing them with a spoon. :)
[02:24] <Amaranth> element_pos_table is 111 (!) column, row sets used for positioning the elements on the periodic table
[02:51] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:49] <Amaranth> hrm, i think willowng got lost on it's way to the repos
[03:51] <bddebian> Stuck in NEW?
[03:51] <LaserJock> I thought it got past NEW
[03:52] <bddebian> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=willow
[03:53] <LaserJock> hmm
[04:01] <Amaranth> it built fine
[04:01] <Amaranth> yesterday
[04:02] <Amaranth> you can even get it from https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/234365
[04:51] <lecaros> hi guys
[04:51] <bddebian> Hello lecaros
[04:52] <lecaros> bddebian hi
[06:11] <gromerotw> Hello there!
[06:13] <gromerotw> Hi!
[06:14] <LaserJock> hi gromerotw 
[06:15] <gromerotw> Hello, hw are you doing?
[06:15] <LaserJock> fine, thanks
[06:15] <LaserJock> how about yourself?
[06:16] <gromerotw> Fine. Just trying to setup edubuntu but I got a lot of troubles.
[06:17] <gromerotw> Are you using edubuntu?
[06:17] <LaserJock> that's no fun
[06:17] <LaserJock> no
[06:17] <LaserJock> I mostly play around with Ubuntu
[06:17] <LaserJock> in general
[06:17] <LaserJock> I don't have an edubuntu install right now :(
[06:18] <gromerotw> Ubuntu and edubuntu are quite similar.
[06:19] <LaserJock> yes they are
[06:19] <LaserJock> especially if you do a workstation install of edubuntu
[06:20] <gromerotw> I have installed LTSP. It works fine.
[06:20] <gromerotw> My problem is that I can get sound out of wavesurfer.
[06:21] <gromerotw> It's just using the server speaker.
[06:21] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:22] <gromerotw> xmms is working fine on the client.
[06:22] <LaserJock> actually, you might get more help if you email the edubuntu-users mailing list
[06:22] <gromerotw> But I need something like wavesurfer or gnusound.
[06:23] <LaserJock> as none of the helpful people seem to be awake :(
[06:23] <gromerotw> Ok. Thank you. I will try.
[08:03] <seshomaru> hello
[08:04] <seshomaru> can edubuntu thin clients boot from a wireless network?
[08:05] <Amaranth> I think that's up to your BIOS.
[08:05] <seshomaru> you mean the bios of the client?
[08:06] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:06] <seshomaru> can i ask you another question?
[08:06] <Amaranth> I've never run Edubuntu but sure. :)
[08:06] <seshomaru> if the client doesnt have a harddisk, who detects the hardware?
[08:07] <Amaranth> I don't know enough about LTSP to answer, I would imagine the server.
[08:07] <seshomaru> when it boots? does the server detect the hardware?
[08:07] <seshomaru> i see
[08:08] <Amaranth> If you can use pxeboot with your wireless card it should work fine.
[08:08] <Amaranth> No hard drive needed, that's what it's called a thin-client. :)
[08:08] <Amaranth> err, that's why
[08:08] <seshomaru> is there somewhere i can get a list of hardware that supports linux (ubuntu...)?
[08:09] <seshomaru> i want to set many clients here but i'm afraid that their hardware is not supported because they are VERY old
[08:10] <jsgotangco> LTSP doesn't boot to a wireless network yet, AFAIK
[08:10] <seshomaru> i see
[08:10] <jsgotangco> it might be very slow if it does
[08:11] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: no pxe chips for wireless cards?
[08:11] <jsgotangco> i haven't heard of such at all
[08:11] <Burgundavia> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLTSPClientsUsingAnEthernetBridge
[08:12] <highvoltage> booting with wireless isn't quite supported yet
[08:12] <Burgundavia> even with a bootdisk?
[08:13] <seshomaru> highvoltage, wireless booting isn't supported in edubuntu or linux?
[08:13] <highvoltage> even with a bootdisk.
[08:13] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: unless, you can boot something that contains a linux kernel, and the modules for the card, which does't quit exist yet (pre-packaged and all)
[08:14] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:14] <Burgundavia> right
[08:14] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: what's the URL of your company btw (with the kiosk images)
[08:14] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: kiosk images?
[08:15] <jsgotangco> pictures i mean
[08:15] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: it's not on our company website, but on the government agency I've been doing work for the last 3 weeks: http://www.digitaldoorway.co.za
[08:15] <jsgotangco> right thanks
[08:15] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: is that a 441
[08:15] <Burgundavia> ?
[08:15] <jsgotangco> im doing a presentation for my future boss
[08:15] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: it was
[08:16] <jsgotangco> it was
[08:16] <highvoltage> the 441 has been discontinued
[08:16] <highvoltage> so now they run Ubuntu + Xfce + a very modified Ubuntu LTSP
[08:16] <seshomaru> people , i would like to set up edubuntu in my school, is there anyone here who set up edubuntu before?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> ah, shame about Userful
[08:16] <Burgundavia> s multiseat stuff not being OSS
[08:16] <highvoltage> seshomaru: sure :)
[08:17] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: how so, what happened to Userful?
[08:17] <highvoltage> aah, yes
[08:17] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: what do you mean? I still work for them
[08:17] <seshomaru> highvoltage, can i ask you , how much control does the server have over individual clients?
[08:17] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: no, i just saw 08:16 < Burgundavia> ah, shame about Userful
[08:17] <highvoltage> and wondered what you meant
[08:17] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: read both lines together, hit enter too soon
[08:18] <highvoltage> seshomaru: you can specify which drivers and settings each machine has, but otherwise not much yet
[08:18] <seshomaru> highvoltage, i mean can i have each client to have different options, one with firefox and gimp one with just games?
[08:18] <highvoltage> seshomaru: ogra is working on a control panel for the server that would give you more control over the desktops, it's planned for a future version of edubuntu
[08:19] <seshomaru> highvoltage, what is the situation like at the moment?
[08:19] <Burgundavia> seshomaru: if you have python skills, help is always sought
[08:19] <seshomaru> Burgundavia, i'm afraid i'm not much use with python.....
[08:20] <Burgundavia> right
[08:20] <seshomaru> another question - i have a server with 1G memory , can i boot 14 clients?
[08:24] <seshomaru> you guys are there?
[08:24] <bimberi> !eduhw
[08:24] <ubotu> eduhardware is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/HardwareRequirements
[08:25] <bimberi> seshomaru: from that page - "256MB for the system and 128MB per user if they use office applications and a web browser"
[08:25] <seshomaru> bimberi, thanks, i cant open that site.....
[08:31] <seshomaru> last question , can the clients in edubuntu share files on the server?
[08:33] <seshomaru> gotta go,,,,catch you guys later,,,,
[08:33] <bimberi> seshomaru: yes
[10:19] <highvoltage> Burgwork: ping!
[11:21] <cbx33> woohoo
[11:21] <cbx33> finally I can connect with my gprs phone
[11:22] <cbx33> now I just need cheep calls
[11:22] <cbx33> right I'm off...back soon with a proper connection :D
[11:26] <FiberOptics> hi cbx33 
[11:26] <FiberOptics> wb
[11:26] <cbx33> Hi FiberOptics 
[11:26] <cbx33> ping highvoltage 
[11:26] <FiberOptics> what?
[11:27] <FiberOptics> * Ping reply from highvoltage: 1.00 second(s)
[11:27] <FiberOptics> ;p
[11:27] <cbx33> FiberOptics, we use that to tell someone we wanna speak to them
[11:29] <FiberOptics> pardon?
[11:31] <FiberOptics> cbx33: what do you use? :/
[11:31] <cbx33> FiberOptics, when I said ping highvoltage
[11:31] <FiberOptics> yes
[11:32] <FiberOptics> i thought you meant for me to ping highvoltage  lol
[11:32] <FiberOptics> :p
[11:32] <FiberOptics> sorry
[11:32] <highvoltage> cbx33: send me your physical or postal address
[11:32] <highvoltage> (by e-mail, preferably)
[11:33] <cbx33> ok
[11:33] <FiberOptics> can someone help me, it's nice and quiet here, i can't keep up in #ubuntu
[11:33] <FiberOptics> i'm needing to install ubuntu alongside windows
[11:33] <cbx33> FiberOptics, what's the issue
[11:34] <FiberOptics> but i went into the installation yesterday, and didnt know how-to deal with partitioning so i quit it
[11:34] <FiberOptics> i don't want to touch windows files
[11:34] <FiberOptics> is that possible?
[11:36] <cbx33> it depends
[11:36] <cbx33> do you have free space on that disk.
[11:37] <cbx33> IE space that isn't currently assigned to a partition?
[11:37] <FiberOptics> I have C: and D: on here now
[11:37] <FiberOptics> Would it be better if I went onto ubuntu to view the partitions?
[11:37] <FiberOptics> I cant see them on windows
[11:38] <cbx33> no it's ok
[11:38] <cbx33> but yes you can see them
[11:38] <cbx33> do you got windows xp?
[11:40] <FiberOptics> yep
[11:40] <FiberOptics> xp home
[11:41] <cbx33> ok
[11:41] <cbx33> right click on my computer
[11:41] <cbx33> and goto manage
[11:43] <FiberOptics> ok 
[11:43] <FiberOptics> am there
[11:44] <cbx33> ok you sohuld see disk manager some where?
[11:44] <cbx33> or manage disks?
[11:44] <FiberOptics> disk management?
[11:45] <cbx33> yes
[11:45] <cbx33> that's the one
[11:46] <FiberOptics> ok
[11:46] <FiberOptics> Recovery Partition
[11:47] <FiberOptics> Vaio (C:)
[11:47] <FiberOptics> Vaio (D:)
[11:47] <FiberOptics> I think Windows is on Vaio (C:) becuase next to it it says "Healthy (System"
[11:47] <FiberOptics> )"*
[11:47] <cbx33> ok
[11:47] <cbx33> underneath that
[11:48] <cbx33> it should have some bars
[11:48] <cbx33> which are equvilent to your disks
[11:48] <FiberOptics> yuo
[11:48] <FiberOptics> yup*
[11:48] <FiberOptics> got that
[11:49] <cbx33> ok basically....can you see if the partition use up all the space on the disk?
[11:49] <cbx33> basically add up the sizes
[11:52] <FiberOptics> it takes up 74.53GB
[11:52] <FiberOptics> so thats all of it i think
[11:52] <FiberOptics> or close to it
[11:52] <FiberOptics> HDD: 80GB 
[11:52] <FiberOptics> so 6Gb free
[11:53] <wvdl> Hi folks. new kids on the canonical block. Going to be working with RichEd on the NEPAD thing
[11:53] <cbx33> hi wvdl 
[11:54] <cbx33> FiberOptics, ok, by the looks of things
[11:55] <FiberOptics> =o
[11:55] <FiberOptics> cbx33: sorry about that, xchat closed, what did u say?
 FiberOptics, ok, by the looks of things
[11:55] <FiberOptics> ty
[11:55] <cbx33> hehe
[11:56] <cbx33> pygi, edubuntu will resize the ntfs partition won;t it?
[11:56] <cbx33> I've never installed it that way
[11:56] <FiberOptics> im gona do ubuntu
[11:56] <FiberOptics> would it be the same?
[11:56] <cbx33> yes
[11:56] <FiberOptics> okay
[11:56] <pygi> cbx33, it should be able to
[11:56] <FiberOptics> but it should use the free space on it, it wont delete files right?
[11:56] <pygi> FiberOptics, w00t? edubuntu's better :)
[11:57] <pygi> FiberOptics, you have the Gparted, whatever:
[11:57] <pygi> :)
[11:57] <pygi> so resize :)
[11:57] <cbx33> heheh
[11:57] <FiberOptics> so now i'll switch to ubuntu right?
[11:57] <cbx33> there is always an element of risk when playing with partitions
[11:58] <pygi> cbx33, especially NTFS =P
[11:58] <cbx33> indeed
[11:58] <FiberOptics> if i do bugger up, i can always restore right?
[11:59] <cbx33> no
[11:59] <FiberOptics> =o
[11:59] <cbx33> backup your data before you do anything
[11:59] <cbx33> standard practise
[11:59] <FiberOptics> i mean my sony restore, not windows
[11:59] <FiberOptics> ill get my data somewhere
[11:59] <FiberOptics> safe
[12:00] <cbx33> oh,....hmmm......you"should" be ble to
[12:00] <FiberOptics> ok
[12:00] <FiberOptics> dam this is risky
[12:00] <FiberOptics> ;o
[12:01] <FiberOptics> ill save my pictures and stuff, sod the music, can download that again
[12:01] <FiberOptics> leme switch to ubuntu
[12:01] <FiberOptics> brb
[12:02] <FiberOptics> where are the screen drivers saved in windows usually?
[12:02] <cbx33> screen drivers?
[12:02] <cbx33> download em from the net dude
[12:03] <FiberOptics> you can do that?
[12:03] <lucasvo> FiberOptics: you must.
[12:03] <pygi> bleh, lol :)
[12:03] <lucasvo> FiberOptics: windows driver aren't supported by linux
[12:04] <lucasvo> (but one can even get windows drivers from the net)
[12:04] <FiberOptics> lucasvo no, ubuntu is fine, its just when i come back to windows (..if i do) thats what im worried about
[12:04] <FiberOptics> because before when i went from ubuntu to windows, windows wouldnt use my screen
[12:05] <cbx33> FiberOptics, that's windows' issue
[12:05] <cbx33> not ubuntus
[12:06] <FiberOptics> yup
[12:06] <FiberOptics> brb
[12:06] <cbx33> but getting the drivers from the net is your best bet
[12:24] <FiberOptics> hi
[12:24] <FiberOptics> cbx33: now im on ubuntu
[12:26] <FiberOptics> hm
[12:27] <FiberOptics> cbx33
[12:27] <FiberOptics> http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotoa4.png
[12:27] <FiberOptics> thats my partitons
[12:29] <cbx33> rodarvus, I received your mail
[12:36] <rodarvus> cbx33, thanks :)
[12:37] <cbx33> :)
[12:39] <cbx33> bbl
[01:04] <guillermo> Hello
[01:06] <Signifer> hey
[01:07] <guillermo> Hello there!
[01:53] <gromerotw> Hello
[04:14] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[04:35] <bddebian> Howdy
[07:25] <cbx33> :(
[07:25] <LaserJock> hola Pete
[07:25] <LaserJock> what?
[07:25] <LaserJock> noooo
[07:25] <cbx33> hey LaserJock 
[07:25] <cbx33> yup
[07:25] <cbx33> I have the vision defects right now
[07:26] <cbx33> can't see the right side of my inbox
[07:26] <LaserJock> cbx33: my grandmother had a really bad migrane that lasted for almost a month
[07:26] <LaserJock> she finally had to go to the hospital I think
[07:26] <cbx33> yikes
[07:26] <LaserJock> but she is better now
[07:27] <LaserJock> the problem was the headache was so bad she couldn't sleep, and then lack of sleep made the headache keep going, etc. etc.
[07:27] <cbx33> yikes
[07:27] <cbx33> I can feel this one starting
[07:27] <cbx33> :(
[07:29] <LaserJock> cbx33: did you happen to see the latest gallium stuff?
[07:29] <cbx33> no
[07:29] <cbx33> is it fnished?
[07:29] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:30] <LaserJock> not that far
[07:32] <cbx33> whats the news
[07:32] <cbx33> eeek
[07:32] <cbx33> bbiab
[07:32] <cbx33> head is starting to kill
[07:32] <LaserJock> well, now when you roll over the elements the pictures sho up
[07:32] <LaserJock> cbx33: yeah, go take care of the headache rather than watching text scrool by
[07:53] <cbx33> LaserJock, cool
[07:53] <cbx33> well at least I did something for gallium
[07:53] <cbx33> :D
[10:08] <bddebian> Hello
[10:08] <Signifer> Hey
[10:10] <bddebian> Hi Signifer
[11:54] <mhz> hi all
[11:54] <bddebian> Heya mhz
[11:55] <mhz> bddebian: hi ya