[12:12] <omeow> Riddell, any idea what qstring_to_xtp result code -2 means?
[12:12] <omeow> (Didn't get many meaningful answers from googling)
[02:09] <Daskreech> Night all
[02:51] <bddebian> Hello
[02:58] <Riddell> omeow: nope
[02:59] <omeow> weird
[02:59] <omeow> I keep getting it, even with other applications.
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hi all
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what????
[04:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: dunno, I didn't look too closely at it
[04:16] <Riddell> but it seems to be broken
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right - that because of the .pot patch, or what?
[04:16] <Riddell> just got back from a Festival show
[04:16] <Hobbsee> and where did you get the error - build time, or execute time?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ooh fun, how was it?
[04:16] <Riddell> build time
[04:17] <Riddell> first show was pretty poor, I'm glad I didn't pay for it.  second show was very promising for a first night, I would have paid for it
[04:18] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:18] <Riddell> not because of the .pot patch, just that message generation is broken upstream (I'm guessing he never used it)
[04:18] <Riddell> although I'm not sure exactly what's broken or how to fix it
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right...
[04:20] <Riddell> I need to sleep
[04:20] <Riddell> you might want to send the error to the kwin-crystal author and maybe ask on kde-devel for advice
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, you do.  goodnight :)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right...okay
[04:20] <Riddell> we should have that package translatable
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, yeah
[04:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh yay.  you broke it :P
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Unpacking replacement kde-systemsettings ...
[04:27] <Hobbsee> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-systemsettings_0.0svn20060803-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[04:27] <Hobbsee>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/desktop-directories/kde-settings-accessibility.directory', which is also in package kdebase-data
[04:27] <Hobbsee> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:27] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-systemsettings_0.0svn20060803-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[04:29] <Riddell> --force-overwrite is your friend
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: heh, i was meaning a more long term fix than that.  
[05:38] <Hobbsee> fixed it :)
[08:27] <Hobbsee> does anyone know the eta of amarok 1.4.2?
[08:33] <freeflying> Hobbsee: 1.4.2 is out?
[08:34] <Hobbsee> freeflying: not yet.  eta = estimated time of arrival
[08:34] <Hobbsee> apparently it's next sunday
[08:34] <imbrandon> re
[08:34] <freeflying> Hobbsee: cool
[08:34] <Hobbsee> wb imbrandon 
[08:35] <imbrandon> hey Hobbsee , voyager is still broke, i'm glad i made /var and /home seperate this time
[08:35] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice.  doesnt seem broke here.
[08:35] <imbrandon> i said screw it and busted out the laptop and irssi from a shell i have ;)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:36] <imbrandon> x is definately broke on that box, funny thing is i got rid of all the errors though still dosent work anyhow i'm tired of messing with it
[08:36] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:36] <imbrandon> i'll worry about it later
[08:36] <freeflying> imbrandon: hi
[08:36] <imbrandon> heya freeflying 
[08:37] <imbrandon> guess this is my chance to finaly convert to irssi ;)
[08:37] <Hobbsee> irssi *is* a nice client :)
[08:37] <imbrandon> irssi is console
[08:37] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: took you long enough to switch :)
[08:37] <imbrandon> console apps are last resort for me
[08:37] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: version me.
[08:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh
[08:38] <ajmitch> oh dear, you decided to switch back to that thing?
[08:38] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:38] <Hobbsee> of course :)
[08:39] <imbrandon> lol
[08:39] <imbrandon> hrm how can i make notices and such show in the active channel ?
[08:40] <imbrandon> gah nvm /me runs man irssi
[08:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:41] <imbrandon> now i got to rember all the chans i have on auto join and put them in here
[08:41] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:42] <imbrandon> good thing about this is i can screen it from my file server thoguh
[08:42] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[08:43] <imbrandon> i'll just have to rember what numbers are what chans at the bottom now LOL
[08:45] <Hobbsee> heh, yeah
[11:03] <viviersf> ajmitch, ping
[11:18] <Tm_T> moin
[11:18] <Tm_T> HEY!
[11:18] <Tm_T> anyone can explain that first part of topic please?
[11:22] <imbrandon_> that 3.5.4 is working ?>
[11:23] <imbrandon_> ummm dident realize that was complicated ;) just playin, what do you mean Tm_T
[11:23] <Tm_T> I mean, bah, nothing
[11:23] <Tm_T> I just happened to destroy my system because of that =)
[11:24] <imbrandon_> ?
[11:24] <Tm_T> well, upgrade to edgy didn't go well
[11:24] <Tm_T> so, now I installed dapper again
[11:24] <imbrandon_> edgy is for dev use anyhow atm ;)
[11:25] <imbrandon_> trust me i got my hickups from it today
[11:36] <Tm_T> imbrandon_: I supposed to be dev, so... but bah
[11:36] <Tm_T> anyway, I prolly start to push (k)edubuntu to local school(s)
[11:37] <Tm_T> because I got job in one, and I won't look how our young future is pushed right to MS-world
[11:41] <imbrandon> edubuntu ( although kubuntu would be nice too )
[11:41] <imbrandon> Tm_T: suppose to be dev ?
[11:41] <Tm_T> yeah
[11:41] <imbrandon> as in a developer ?
[11:42] <viviersf> imbrandon, you a pkg building boff ?
[11:42] <viviersf> :P
[11:42] <imbrandon> boff? hehe
[11:42] <viviersf> boffin
[11:42] <imbrandon> boffin? heh if you mean do i build packages yes
[11:42] <viviersf> sorry for the south african lingo
[11:42] <imbrandon> np hehe
[11:42] <viviersf> boffin = genius
[11:43] <viviersf> k right
[11:43] <imbrandon> ohh genius i wouldnt say but i've done my share
[11:43] <viviersf> mind if i ask you some q's in pvt
[11:43] <imbrandon> sure, i might be slow to respond but ok
[11:43] <MrFaber> hi all
[11:43] <imbrandon> i got about 5 things going on here heheh
[11:43] <imbrandon> hello MrFaber 
[11:43] <MrFaber> hi imbrandon 
[11:44] <MrFaber> Is it possible that Kopete in Dapper gets an update to connect to ICQ again?
[11:44] <Tm_T> Riddell: I will start to build some KDE4-stuff as soon as I get secondary PC here, I afraid to try edgy in this workstation anymore soon ;)
[11:45] <MrFaber> Otherwise at least a kopete 0.12.1 + icq patch repository like amarok 1.4.1 would be great on kubuntu.org homepage
[11:45] <Tm_T> MrFaber: it should be in main too
[11:45] <Tm_T> MrFaber: fix that is
[11:47] <MrFaber> Tm_T, it is fixed already?
[11:47] <Tm_T> should be
[11:47] <MrFaber> Ok, I have used my own version, I am goingt to test it
[11:48] <MrFaber> sorry
[11:48] <Tm_T> np
[11:51] <MrFaber> yeah, it works great, thanks
[11:51] <MrFaber> sorry :)
[11:52] <Tm_T> MrFaber: if you notice some hitches or anything, just ping me
[11:52] <MrFaber> ok, thx
[12:17] <ajmitch> viviersf: pong
[12:44] <Hobbsee> hi all
[12:45] <Tm_T> hi Hobbsee :)
[12:47] <Hobbsee> hey Tm_T.  i might get to stay connected this time.
[12:47] <Hobbsee> just maybe.
[12:48] <Tm_T> =)
[12:48] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: how are you?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i'm bugsquishing.  or i will be.
[12:48] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee i figured out it was the usplash
[12:48] <Tm_T> mooh, again somethings missing
[12:48] <imbrandon> i removed it and all is fine
[12:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice.  when do we get konvi builds.  this one is being painful.
[12:49] <Tm_T> E: Build-Depends dependency for kdebase cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package cdbs can satisfy version requirements
[12:49] <Tm_T> ;(
[12:49] <imbrandon> working on them now, now that i have a box with xwindows lol
[12:49] <Tm_T> anyone can explain that?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: er, right?  precisely what are the cdbs requirements?
[12:49] <imbrandon> looks like it cant find the cdbs it wants
[12:50] <danimo> wb Hobbsee :)
[12:50] <Hobbsee> hi danimo 
[12:50] <imbrandon> heya danimo 
[12:50] <danimo> hi imbrandon
[12:50] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: no idea, I commanded "apt-get build-dep kicker
[12:50] <Tm_T> "
[12:51] <imbrandon> Tm_T: well apt-cache policy kdebase
[12:51] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:52] <Tm_T> err, err, er,,
[12:52] <imbrandon> Tm_T: why not build it in pbuilder instead of a full chroot ? or worse you doing neither
[12:52] <Tm_T> imbrandon: I'm trying to compile kicker from svn to myself
[12:52] <imbrandon> ahhh 
[12:53] <Tm_T> because I have modifications my own
[12:55] <imbrandon> well as we said look what version cdbs is trying to get 
[12:55] <imbrandon> and what version is avail
[12:55] <imbrandon> etc
[12:55] <imbrandon> gah my laptop is infected with gnome
[12:58] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: dont worry - i purged your main machine of kde while X was broke.
[12:58] <Tm_T> =)
[12:58] <imbrandon> gah
[12:59] <Tm_T> I need my kicker, oh, I'm crippled ;(
[01:00] <imbrandon> Tm_T: its a semi simple fix , if you would do what we said ;)
[01:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: s/kde/yada/
[01:00] <imbrandon> yada ?
[01:00] <Tm_T> imbrandon: im compiling, I check it after that
[01:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the build system i've been bitching about for the past couple of days.
[01:00] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:01] <imbrandon> fskin right click ( f12 ) on my iBook
[01:02] <danimo> imbrandon: she really fell in love with that package for some reason
[01:02] <imbrandon> lol
[01:02] <imbrandon> yea
[01:03] <imbrandon> man i love trying to use a develpent version of an os to actualy try to develop on
[01:03] <imbrandon> lol
[01:03] <imbrandon> there should be some law against that
[01:04] <imbrandon> ohh man thats why
[01:05] <imbrandon> fskin keyboard layout was set to windows on an apple computer lol
[01:07] <Hobbsee> hah
[01:10] <Tm_T> imbrandon: well, what you need to know about policy? it just tells that I have KDE 3.5.4 packages installed
[01:11] <imbrandon> apt-cache policy kdebase will show what version of cdbs it was looking for
[01:11] <Tm_T> it doesn't
[01:11] <Tm_T> imo
[01:12] <Tm_T> http://pastebin.ca/115111
[01:12] <Hobbsee> gah.  lag sucks.
[01:13] <Tm_T> it doesn't ;)
[01:13] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: it gives us a time to talk behind your back
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: hah.
[01:13] <Tm_T> ;)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: be sure to blog about it too.
[01:13] <Tm_T> naah
[01:14] <Tm_T> actually I should restart blogging
[01:14] <Tm_T> I mean continue
[01:14] <imbrandon> yea i need to update mine too and start to use it again
[01:14] <Tm_T> now I have net connection and health to think :p
[01:15] <danimo> I should consollidate blogs, too
[01:15] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: what was the last one? I don't even remember :p
[01:15] <imbrandon> you mean there are languages other than english ? j/k
[01:16] <Tm_T> imbrandon: I thought language and english are synonyms
[01:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, they keep filing bugs for the darn lack of translations.
[01:17] <imbrandon> lol Hobbsee 
[01:17] <Hobbsee> yay.  more merges.
[01:17] <Hobbsee> 4 in one day, what's more.
[01:18] <imbrandon> gah any with my name ?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: bluefoxicy wrote a lovely blog post.
[01:18] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: dunno, didnt look.
[01:18] <imbrandon> speaking of witch i need to check the buld logs to make sure they dident ftbs on some other arches
[01:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: true.  people/imbrandon/+packages
[01:19] <Hobbsee> you dont need to go thru all the build logs
[01:19] <imbrandon> heh i know
[01:19] <imbrandon> i have it bookmarked
[01:19] <imbrandon> along with a few other places i go regularly
[01:20] <imbrandon> woot no failures, guess thats good
[01:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no sparcs?
[01:21] <imbrandon> huh ?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sparc often ftbfs stuff.
[01:22] <imbrandon> nope built there too
[01:25] <Hobbsee> nixternal: has a merge to do..
[01:26] <imbrandon> nixternal does ?
[01:26] <imbrandon> he actualy has something that was uploaded ?
[01:26] <imbrandon> wow
[01:26] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, on the manual page
[01:42] <imbrandon> heh
[01:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, kflickr
[01:43] <omeow> imbrandon, are you still having problems getting konversation built on edgy? 
[01:43] <omeow> I decided to stop waiting and just compiled the svn version.
[01:44] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure why it's listed as a merge.  p.d.o doesnt seem to know it exists yet.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> oh crud.  i still had to email the fridge.
[02:07] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: bout what ?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: delaying the meeting a day
[02:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I took care of it
[02:07] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: just pop in #ubuntu-fridge ( or ask me i'm on fridge devel now rember heheh )
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool, thanks :)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice.  is that all official yet?
[02:08] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yea we're just still working on the rss and cruft
[02:08] <imbrandon> but yea
[02:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice
[02:09] <imbrandon> you see the new dr who spin-off on bbc3 Riddell  ?
[02:12] <imbrandon> gah where can i set a keyboard key to "right click" f12 used to do it 
[02:12] <imbrandon> dosent seem to work now
[02:27] <Riddell> imbrandon: nope
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i fixed that kde-systemsettings, btw.
[02:32] <imbrandon> Riddell: its called torchwood , http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2005/10/17/25634.shtml
[02:40] <imbrandon> ugh , debian started packageing kbfx and its not the same as ours
[02:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hah.  yeah.  that's why most is on the manual merges page.
[02:46] <imbrandon> thats why i should have filed a RTP/ITP
[02:46] <imbrandon> heh
[02:47] <imbrandon> wha ?
[02:47] <imbrandon> lol
[02:47] <Hobbsee> http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/requestsync
[02:47] <imbrandon> nice
[02:47] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:47] <imbrandon> i'll grab it in a sec
[02:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: learn to request a sync the hard way.  new motu's arent allowed to take shortcuts :P
[02:47] <imbrandon> hahaha i've filed lots of syncs
[02:48] <Hobbsee> yes, but you havent been able to ack them for long.
[02:48] <imbrandon> you speak as if you have ? heheheh
[02:48] <imbrandon> anyhow food time,bbiab
[02:49] <danimo> imbrandon: is torchwood any good?
[02:50] <imbrandon> danimo: no idea havent had a chance to watch it yet, just noticed it today
[02:51] <imbrandon> FOOD ! heh /me loves pizza in the morning
[02:52] <danimo> imbrandon: even I knew about it, and I'm not a uk citizen :)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> oh darn.  script is screwed.  imbrandon, you cant use it :P
[03:03] <omeow> What's the shortcut "Get help online" supposed to do?
[03:04] <omeow> Apparently it was added by kubuntu devs?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> omeow: take you to LP
[03:04] <omeow> It does not work.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> omeow: to a section marked, oddly enough, "get help"  *g*
[03:04] <Hobbsee> omeow: dapper or edgy?
[03:04] <omeow> edgy
[03:04] <Hobbsee> works here
[03:04] <omeow> konvi prints this to console; Error showing url: There is no default action associated with this location.
[03:05] <omeow> I have a default browser set in kde components, why does it not use that?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> ah.  set the default browser.  Riddell was supposed to fix that.  i even saw a patch for it.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> because it's screwed, and needs fixing.
[03:05] <omeow> I see. Ok. 
[03:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it changed recently in launchpad integration
[03:06] <omeow> There are updates available, but I'm a bit scared to update since it usually breaks my system. :) (that's what you get for running development stuff I guess.)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> it uses x-browser alternatives, and kde doesnt set that when you set the default web browser.
[03:06] <Riddell> omeow: try installing launchpadintegration, it should work then
[03:06] <Hobbsee> omeow: you're not running it as a sole OS on a production machine, now are you????
[03:06] <omeow> Of course I am.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> *cue lecture here*
[03:07] <omeow> spare me
[03:07] <omeow> Riddell, is that package going to come with edgy by default? 
[03:07] <Hobbsee> then why do you care if edgy screws up?  you still have another OS to run.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> omeow: likely.
[03:07] <omeow> I care because I want to help test, and if things get broken and I don't know how to fix them, I can't continue testing.
[03:08] <Riddell> omeow: yes
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: see latest message @ kubuntu-devel
[03:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: latest launchpad-integration uses kfmclient
[03:09] <omeow> I often get these messages in console whenever I use apt.
[03:09] <omeow> qstring_to_xtp result code -2
[03:09] <omeow> DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::SpacerItem', <> line 1 during global destruction.
[03:09] <omeow> (yeah, the qstring_to_xtp thing againn. =P)
[03:10] <omeow> Do any of you get those?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> not that i've noticed.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: see latest message @ kubuntu-devel.  request for shipit cds to be more promininent on kubuntu.org
[03:11] <Hobbsee> wish i had access to kubuntu.org - that would be fun :P
[03:11] <omeow> Ok, installed launchpad-integration, do I need to do any other magic tricks for it to start working? Because it doesn't.
[03:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: there's a bzr reponsity for kubuntu.org, if you want to edit stuff make your own branch and I can review and merge
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh...that would require learning how to use bzr.  but that could be fun.
[03:12] <omeow> Gee I wonder why. ;)
[03:13] <hunger> Hobbsee: You are wrong... bzr is no fun!
[03:13] <omeow> It wouldn't happen to be because of certain internet explorers? :)
[03:14] <imbrandon> Riddell: nice , wheres the bzr branch ?
[03:14] <Riddell> imbrandon: launchpad.net/products
[03:14] <Riddell> it's not up to date
[03:15] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: the basics of bzr are easy i learned in less than an hour how to use it productively
[03:15] <hunger> Have to use 4 different VCSes to get all the stuff I need to work:-(
[03:15] <imbrandon> not all the in's and out's but the basics
[03:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: right, i'll have to make you teach me then
[03:15] <imbrandon> hunger: or just use bzr and import / export them all ;)
[03:16] <hunger> imbrandon: Nah, I do not like bzr.
[03:16] <imbrandon> to each their own i guess, heh
[03:16] <hunger> imbrandon: It is too arch-ish for my taste:-)
[03:17] <Riddell> imbrandon: like whom?
[03:18] <Riddell> hunger: there's nothing arch-ish about it, that was bzr
[03:18] <Riddell> s/bzr/baz/
[03:18] <hunger> imbrandon: Just saw "ubuntu for christians" or something like that.
[03:18] <imbrandon> tilix and baltix were the two i just noticed
[03:18] <imbrandon> hunger: yea thats a hot topic on the ML atm
[03:18] <Riddell> link at bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDerivedDistros has good instructions
[03:19] <hunger> imbrandon: It is? I missed that one completly there;-)
[03:20] <imbrandon> nice Riddell where did you get the numbers on Goobuntu >
[03:20] <Riddell> imbrandon: chappy from Google
[03:20] <imbrandon> cool
[03:20] <Riddell> I'm not sure I believe it though
[03:20] <imbrandon> looks like tilix is kubuntu based too not ubunutu if i'm reading it right
[03:20] <imbrandon> hard to translate
[03:20] <Riddell> imbrandon: interesting
[03:21] <Riddell> what is it?
[03:21] <imbrandon> its on the LP distros page
[03:21] <imbrandon> http://launchpad.net/distros
[03:21] <Riddell> yeah but if you tell me here I don't have to go and look
[03:21] <imbrandon> www.tilix.org
[03:22] <imbrandon> brb afk one minute
[03:23] <Riddell> Bulgarian
[03:24] <abattoir> "Tilix is a full featured Bulgarian Linux distribution based on Kanotix and Debian"
[03:24] <imbrandon> yea but they USED to use kanotix since they switched to ubuntu i'm assuming Kubuntuu
[03:24] <imbrandon> yea
[03:26] <imbrandon> heh i thought that was cool
[03:26] <Riddell> imbrandon: huh?
[03:26] <imbrandon> fedora is starting to use LP and published a paper saying they are moving their RCS stuff to bzr
[03:26] <imbrandon> lemme find the links
[03:27] <Riddell> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=444&slide=3&title=tilix+1.0+screenshots  that's definately KDE
[03:27] <imbrandon> yup hehe
[03:27] <Riddell> but that's their kanotix version, they could have changed with the ubuntu version
[03:34] <imbrandon> i guess thinking about it the google guys use QT for google earth and whom knows what else so that makes sense
[03:35] <Riddell> what does?
[03:36] <imbrandon> that 50% or better use kde
[03:36] <imbrandon> ahh got it 
[03:36] <imbrandon> http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/VersionControl/ArchitectureDraft
[03:41] <Riddell> nothing about launchpad in there, but that bzr stuff is more ubuntu than ubuntu
[03:41] <Riddell> which is interesting since ubuntu is ment to be more fedora than fedora
[03:41] <imbrandon> hahaha
[03:42] <imbrandon> well the LP stuff is they registerd a distro on LP and are filing bugs
[03:42] <imbrandon> dont know if they will use both or not
[03:45] <Pupeno> Hello.
[03:45] <Riddell> all two of them https://launchpad.net/distros/fedora/+bugs
[03:45] <Riddell> not bad, a distro with only 2 bugs :)
[03:45] <Riddell> hi Pupeno 
[03:45] <imbrandon> hehehe
[03:45] <Pupeno> Hello.
[03:46] <Riddell> Pupeno: pykde questions are ok here
[03:46] <Pupeno> ok.
[03:46] <imbrandon> might be just "testing the waters" would be cool to talk to someone from fc to find out
[03:46] <Pupeno> any recomendation on what templates to start from ? KDevelop's configue-based ones or PyKDE's setup.py based ones ?
[03:47] <Pupeno> kdevelop would be pyqt.
[03:49] <Riddell> Pupeno: use the templates from pykdeextensions
[03:49] <Pupeno> Riddell: ok, that is what I am doing now, with kdeapp.
[03:49] <mornfall> what?
[03:49] <Pupeno> Riddell: how do I integrate a .ui there ?
[03:49] <mornfall> imbrandon: what do you want? :p
[03:50] <Riddell> mornfall: any idea what all this is about with launchpad and bzr in fedora
[03:50] <mornfall> nope, probably not fedora initiative
[03:50] <mornfall> lemme check with mailinglists :)
[03:50] <mornfall> not a single mention, no
[03:51] <Pupeno> that is, running kdepyuic to build the .py out of the .ui or something like that.
[03:52] <mornfall> probably some sort of bz integration testing
[03:53] <Riddell> Pupeno: you can run kdepyuic, create the .py file then just use that created object in your programme
[03:53] <Riddell> Pupeno: or you can import the .ui file directly http://www.simonzone.com/software/pykdeextensions/en/using-qtdesigner.html
[03:53] <Pupeno> Riddell: I know, my question was regarding automatic building the .py with that template that doesn't use autotools.
[03:54] <Riddell> Pupeno: not sure if that's possible, could well be, you'd need to ask Sime 
[04:35] <bddebian> Hello
[05:22] <rouzic> Hi Riddell :)
[05:23] <Riddell> hi rouzic 
[05:25] <Riddell> kwwii_: I'll probably be uploading a new kubuntu-default-settings soon, can we include one of your wallpapers and the colour scheme?
[05:25] <danimo> Riddell: is there support for tablet pc's in kubuntu?
[05:26] <danimo> i.e. setting up a a pen?
[05:26] <Riddell> danimo: I'm sure it's possible, I have no idea how
[05:28] <kwwii_> Riddell: definitely
[05:29] <kwwii_> Riddell: if you want, just put the flower wallpaper in and the kscrc from the wiki
[05:29] <Riddell> kwwii_: cool
[05:29] <kwwii_> or, alternatively we could use one of the blue bgs and test out the new default kscrc for kde4  :-)
[05:30] <kwwii_> Riddell: sorry for missing the meeting, btw. it was a total mistake
[05:30] <rouzic> Riddell: do you agree that some time ago I commented to you that Kubuntu-es.org asked Canonical for a hosting?
[05:30] <Riddell> kwwii_: is your work and home numerer in hackbeuro current?
[05:31] <Riddell> rouzic: I have vauge memories of this yes
[05:32] <rouzic> Riddell: The hosting of our web page is on the verge of expiring(becoming senile) and we need a hosting, do not be if Canonical can help us in it:)
[05:34] <Riddell> rouzic: let me ping some people
[05:37] <rouzic> Riddell: Ok :)
[05:37] <Riddell> rouzic: seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoHosting ?
[05:38] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Ping
[05:39] <rouzic> Thanks Riddell :)
[05:40] <pygi> kwwii_, poke :)
[05:40] <Riddell> rouzic: create a support request as it says and I'm told it should be setup pretty quick, let me know on tuesday if nothing has happened
[05:40] <kwwii_> pygi: ouch!
[05:42] <rouzic> Do I see that the domain for that they ask is xx.ubuntu.com, they podrian gives me a hosting with the domain of my web?
[05:43] <pygi> kwwii_, how's icons going? :)
[05:43] <kwwii_> pygi: good, I should be done very soon
[05:43] <pygi> kwwii_, btw. oxygen-ish logo for lib :) http://libburn.pykix.org/wiki :)
[05:43] <kwwii_> pygi: in the end, I had to draw pretty much everything new
[05:44] <pygi> kwwii_, eh, sorry about that :'(
[05:44] <kwwii_> pygi: that looks nice!
[05:44] <kwwii_> pygi: well, if I wanted to be lazy I could have just sent you the ones we have done that do not really fit to your needs, but I thought it would be better if they looked nice as well :-)
[05:44] <pygi> yay :)
[05:45] <pygi> right, but it gave you much trouble :-/
[05:45] <kwwii_> actually it is not that much trouble, glad I can help...I will be sending them to you sometime tomorrow most likely
[05:46] <rouzic> Riddell: Do I see that the domain for that they ask is xx.ubuntu.com, they podrian gives me a hosting with the domain of my web?
[05:46] <pygi> oki :)
[05:49] <kwwii_> Riddell: not sure if my info on hackerburo is right or not...never really saw that site before
[05:51] <kwwii_> Riddell: do you have a link?
[05:52] <kwwii_> my phone number is +49 17623913609
[05:55] <kwwii_> Riddell: I am in the process of setting up an office outside of my house (hope to get more work done that way) so for now, catching me on my cell phone is the best way
[05:56] <Riddell> kwwii_: https://mail.hackerbuero.org/kde-ev/
[05:58] <kwwii_> hrm..."NO LOGIN USER INFORMATION FOUND. YOU DO NOT EXIST. END."
[06:00] <Riddell> your details are in there, so you must have logged in once upon a time, but I think if you've lost your username that's bad luck
[06:01] <Riddell> well, you can ask mirko to reset it
[06:06] <kwwii_> hehe, I guess that was done for me when I worked for suse...I'll send mirko an email
[06:22] <DaSkreech> nixternal_: Hello
[06:29] <Tm_T> hmm, someone uses intereting filetree
[06:29] <Tm_T> kdeui (KRootPixmap): [/tmp/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.4/./kdeui/krootpixmap.cpp:271]  activating background exports.
[06:29] <Tm_T> there's /./ and I have no idea what's the idea of it
[06:35] <Tm_T> interesting findings in the middle of the debug
[06:47] <Pupeno> is it possible to make kdedistutils build .ui files into python files ?
[07:05] <Sime> Pupeno: yes
[07:06] <Pupeno> i've found that I can import kdedesigner and then just import the ui file... but... how do I make it with kdedistutils anyway ?
[07:07] <Sime> Pupeno: what do you mean?
[07:07] <Pupeno> Sime: nevermind. How do I build .ui files inte python files using kdedistutils ?
[07:07] <Sime> Pupeno: they are made automatically
[07:07] <Pupeno> ah, ok.
[07:08] <Sime> on-the-fly
[08:39] <yuriy> ooh new system settings
[08:39] <yuriy> Sime: what do I need to change in the .desktop file to get it to show up in the new format?
[08:40] <DaSkreech> Where?
[08:41] <yuriy> it's reorganized, kinda
[08:44] <Riddell> yuriy: shouldn't need to change anything
[08:46] <DaSkreech> This is an edgy update?
[08:48] <uniq> i find kcontrol much more useable than the new system settings.
[08:49] <yuriy> agreed
[08:49] <yuriy> i thought if an "advanced" button were to be put in it'd go to kcontrol
[08:49] <uniq> that would be a good idea.
[08:55] <uniq> selecting about me in system settings should open 'kcmshell userconfig' not 'kcmshell desktoppath'
[08:58] <DaSkreech> Where is about me?
[08:59] <uniq> top left.
[08:59] <uniq> this is edgy with new kde-guidance.
[09:05] <yuriy> also (surely already known) the regional & language and regional & accessibility icons and/or titles need to be fixed
[09:08] <DaSkreech> Anyone know Polish?
[09:16] <uniq> yuriy: absolutely. "Regional and Language" should be renamed to "Language" (current icon).. "Regional & Accessibility" should be renamed to "Accessibillity" and get the Accessibility icon from inside the kcm module. (blue with wheelchair)
[09:16] <uniq> or something in that direction. 
[09:17] <uniq> that was just my initial thoughts.
[09:19] <Riddell> anyone else have problems editing the wiki just now?
[09:25] <Sime> Riddell: sounds like s-s in edgy is a bit messed up...
[09:25] <Sime> Riddell: BTW, what will the iconset be in edgy? oxygen?
[09:27] <Riddell> Sime: just crystal
[09:27] <Sime> oh
[09:30] <Sime> Riddell: looking at Ellen's screenshots, she's using a different iconset than straight dapper. kinda makes things a bit confusing.
[09:31] <Riddell> yes, she uses nuvola or something like that
[09:32] <Sime> it's quite nice. :-) it just makes things tricky. The general and advanced buttons have the wrong icons...
[09:35] <Sime> the only time I want to use the wiki and its jammed.
[09:36] <Sime> no go
[09:37] <Riddell> what's up with it?
[09:45] <Sime> seems to be working now.
[10:08] <bddebian> Howdy
[10:08] <uniq> hi.
[10:08] <bddebian> Hello uniq
[10:10] <uniq> hello bddebian.
[10:21] <danimo> is there an NX server package for edgy?
[10:22] <DaSkreech> Doesn't it ship with a RD Server?
[10:22] <DaSkreech> oh wait. NX
[10:23] <danimo> yes :)
[10:23] <danimo> what is gamin btw?
[10:23] <danimo> ah, nm
[10:23] <danimo> found the description
[10:54] <pygi> raphink, poke
[10:56] <mornfall> gamin is made of pure evil :)
[10:58] <pygi> mornfall, bleh
[10:58] <mornfall> pygi: what's wrong?
[10:59] <pygi> mornfall, nothing ^_^
[10:59] <pygi> mornfall, just evil and stuff...reminds me of autotools :)
[10:59] <mornfall> oh wee :)
[10:59] <DaSkreech> Like C?
[11:00] <pygi> mornfall, I have some really really weird problems :)
[11:00] <mornfall> it's autotools, what did you expect :)
[11:00] <pygi> mornfall, it claims it'll produce shared .so libs, and it produces static .lo ones
[11:01] <pygi> I made a prototype with scons in 10 minutes, all worked perfectly
[11:01] <pygi> but I can't use that because AUTOTOOLS IS STANDARD
[11:03] <mornfall> lo? lo is not a lib
[11:03] <mornfall> if you mean .la that's shared
[11:03] <mornfall> but the .so is under .libs in the build tree
[11:03] <mornfall> you need to run make install :)
[11:03] <mornfall> .a is static
[11:04] <mornfall> you may want to ./configure --enable-shared --disable-static
[11:05] <pygi> ergh, .la, right :P
[11:06] <pygi> mornfall, but you see, configure does say it will build shared libraries :)
[11:06] <mornfall> .la is a text file
[11:06] <mornfall> ls .libs
[11:06] <mornfall> :p
[11:08] <pygi> right, stupid me :)
[11:11] <pygi> mornfall, something like .libs doesnt exist :)
[11:12] <mornfall> you are using libtool right?
[11:12] <mornfall> and lib_LTLIBRARIES
[11:12] <mornfall> i mean
[11:12] <mornfall> it was always trivial to get simple things done with autotools
[11:12] <pygi> aclocal
[11:12] <pygi> libtoolize --copy --force
[11:12] <pygi> autoconf
[11:12] <pygi> automake --foreign --add-missing --copy --include-deps
[11:12] <pygi> :)
[11:13] <pygi> (the bootstrap file which generates the chain)
[11:18] <pygi> mornfall, awake :)
[11:18] <mornfall> that's not quite related is it
[11:19] <pygi> it is ofcourse :)
[11:19] <pygi> this is the way I currently build the library :)
[11:21] <pygi> right :P
[11:21] <pygi> async.o  init.o       libburn.so@        null.o     sg.o         util.o
[11:21] <pygi> crc.o    lec.o        libburn.so.1@      options.o  source.o     write.o
[11:21] <pygi> debug.o  libburn.a    libburn.so.1.0.0*  read.o     spc.o
[11:21] <pygi> drive.o  libburn.la@  message.o          sbc.o      structure.o
[11:21] <pygi> file.o   libburn.lai  mmc.o              sector.o   toc.o
[11:22] <mornfall> there's the .so though, so what's the problem :)
[11:22] <pygi> nowhere, I am just too sleepy :)
[11:22] <pygi> but this way of building is still bad :P
[11:31] <mornfall> yeah, --disable-static :)
[11:31] <pygi> mornfall, to automake part?
[11:32] <mornfall> no, to configure
[11:33] <pygi> ehm,oki :)
[11:36] <Tm_T> aaah <3
[11:36] <Tm_T> assytv <3
[11:36] <Tm_T> anyone with some interest to demoscene: http://www.assemblytv.net/2006/en/stream
[11:37] <Tm_T> there's olskool music compo going on
[11:56] <RichJ> any problems noted at all with kde 3.5.4?
[11:56] <RichJ> my other machine is trashed right now