[12:19] <ryanakca> what line do you add to rules to install man pages? "cp man.1 /usr/share/man/man1/"?
[12:20] <crimsun> see dh_installman(1)
[12:21] <crimsun> (and no, the above cp would have to be relative to the cwd, which generally means debian/$package/usr/share/man/man$section/
[12:21] <crimsun> )
[12:23] <ryanakca> kk... and man.1 goes in debian/ ?
[12:23] <crimsun> debian/$package/usr/share/man/man$section/
[12:23] <allee> crimsun: read your motu-school logs.  Good intro!
[12:25] <ryanakca> crimsun: I though dh_installman installed the manpage into the appropriate directory... so just put it in debian/ ? or do I have to create those directories and manually install?
[12:26] <crimsun> ryanakca: pick a method. Either use dh_installman(1), or use cp.
[12:27] <ryanakca> dh_installman
[12:27] <crimsun> then forget the cp. You can either pass the name of the man page to dh_installman, or you can list it in debian/binary_package.manpages
[12:32] <ajmitch> morning
[12:33] <ryanakca> g'd evening ajmitch
[12:33] <ryanakca> is it just me or is archive.ubuntu.com slow today?
[12:34] <ajmitch> it probably is
[12:35] <ajmitch> hi raphink
[12:36] <crimsun> ryanakca: bandwidth issues in London; use a mirror
[12:36] <ryanakca> ah
[12:36] <crimsun> unlikely to help, as that's the same as archive.
[12:37] <crimsun> use de,nl,ch
[12:37] <crimsun> (apparently se is feeling the crunch now)
[12:37] <raphink> hi ajmitch
[12:39] <TheMuso> Hi all bTW.
[12:41] <ryanakca> crimsun: lol, 15.4kb/s with de.archive.u.c
[12:42] <crimsun> I got about 150 from nl
[01:52] <Kyral> Wee learning mroe about RubyQt
[01:56] <Kyral> Interesting to learn that Qt was originally going to be called "Xt" but it was changed to "Qt" because it looked better in Emacs' font
[01:59] <micahcowan> Xt was already taken before Qt was around, anyway, was it not? (X Toolkit).
[02:00] <micahcowan> as in, libXt.
[02:00] <Kyral> Dunno
[02:07] <tsume> hey
[02:51] <bddebian> Howdy gang
[02:51] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[02:51] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock
[03:55] <ryanakca> can someone look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2812 ? I've added the manpage :)
[03:58] <Kyral> ...who signed my GPG Key without meeting me
[03:58] <Kyral> ...who is "fujitsu"
[03:59] <crimsun> ryanakca: looks good, just some minor touchup.s
[04:00] <ryanakca> crimsun: such as?
[04:00] <crimsun> (sec, I'm typing) The beginning of the long Description is a bit stilted
[04:00] <Kyral> ...remind me to talk to them next time they are online
[04:00] <Kyral> Signing someone's key without meeting them is a big no no ain't it?
[04:01] <ryanakca> Kyral: yeah
[04:01] <Kyral> yah...
[04:01] <Kyral> anyone know who this "fujitsu" is?
[04:01] <crimsun> ryanakca: also, the Xfce/Xubuntu bit in README.Debian can be stripped; you can just explain general cli invocation
[04:01] <ryanakca> crimsun: well... it's meant to start at login in xubuntu
[04:02] <LaserJock> Kyral: yeah, or at least I know "a" fujitsu
[04:02] <Kyral> he signed with an @ubuntu.com.au address
[04:02] <ryanakca> Kyral: I've seen him around... don't know who he is though
[04:02] <Kyral> I know I haven't met him
[04:02] <micahcowan> Launchpad has: https://launchpad.net/people/fujitsu
[04:02] <crimsun> ryanakca: which doesn't make it specific to any DE in particular
[04:02] <micahcowan> (William Grant)
[04:03] <crimsun> ryanakca: I'll note those points, afterward just ping me again
[04:03] <ryanakca> crimsun: kubuntu and ubuntu supposedly have klipper and some other applet for that
[04:03] <Kyral> Yah never met him
[04:03] <micahcowan> No guarantees it's the same one...
[04:03] <ryanakca> crimsun: so only xubuntu needs it
[04:03] <LaserJock> I think he's in AU though so it would see fairly likely
[04:03] <crimsun> ryanakca: there's no reason why this program can't run with ANY environment, which is my point
[04:04] <ryanakca> crimsun: ah. ok
[04:04] <bddebian> crimsun: Look at that attal for me? :-)
[04:04] <Kyral> Only MOTU I have met (and signed on my key) are dholbach, ogra, and Simon Law (He's not MOTU, but he seems to be active in Ubuntu as of late...he's Debian)
[04:04] <crimsun> bddebian: I'll try
[04:04] <zul> Kyral: simon is the ubuntu qagod
[04:04] <crimsun> Simon is an implicit MOTU by way of core-dev, he being the QA guy.
[04:05] <Kyral> ha
[04:05] <Kyral> ah even
[04:05] <Kyral> Yah I met him at UBZ
[04:05] <Kyral> Didn't know he is Core-Dev...when did that happen lol
[04:05] <LaserJock> when he got hired by Canonical
[04:06] <Kyral> again when did that happen
[04:06] <bddebian> crimsun: Don't worry about it, I passed it on to lfittle
[04:06] <bddebian> -e
[04:06] <LaserJock> any MOTUs going to LWE?
[04:09] <crimsun> Kyral: April 25th.
[04:09] <Kyral> Definately after I met him....
[04:10] <ryanakca> crimsun: so rename the app to what? clipboard-daemon?
[04:10] <ryanakca> crimsun: gnome-clipboard daemon is the daemon's original name...
[04:11] <Kyral> I remember him because at the time he had "Drunken Master" on his business card
[04:11] <zul> LaserJock: where is it taking place?
[04:11] <LaserJock> San Fran?
[04:11] <zul> ah...well i wish..:)
[04:11] <Kyral> I'm not MOTU but forget it anyway :P
[04:11] <crimsun> ryanakca: sure, that would work. It's not as big an issue; I'd work with upstream to rename it.
[04:11] <Kyral> I have two weeks at home before school starts and I'm takin' em
[04:12] <crimsun> ryanakca: it /is/ pretty misleading, since it effectively implies a tie to GNOME that is nonexistent.
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hi all
[04:12] <crimsun> even stated on its home page
[04:12] <Kyral> yo Hobbsee
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hi Kyral
[04:12] <ryanakca> crimsun: kk, I'll try to bug the upstream<
[04:13] <crimsun> ryanakca: in any case, it looks good. Just try and get everything right before it's uploaded, since it'll create fewer maintenance headaches.
[04:13] <ryanakca> crimsun: "get everything right"... including the name?
[04:14] <Kyral> yea got a copy of "Rapid GUI Development with RubyQt"
[04:14] <crimsun> ryanakca: yes
[04:14] <ryanakca> kk
[04:15] <crimsun> ryanakca: I mean, I could upload it now, but then we'd have to go through the entire NEW process /again/ after its name is changed
[04:15] <Kyral> GUI Apps here I come
[04:15] <ryanakca> ah
[04:15] <crimsun> better to wait a couple days and see if we can get it right the first go-round
[04:15] <Kyral> (this is good news for the Kubuntu Crew)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> yay
[04:15] <Kyral> HEY!
[04:16] <Kyral> I meant I'd friggin write APPS!
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Kyral: write non-buggy ones, would you?
[04:16] <Kyral> Hehehe
[04:16] <Kyral> I'll try
[04:16] <Kyral> Screw Python, I love Ruby
[04:16] <bddebian> heh
[04:20] <hub> how much advocate do  you need for a package update?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hub: for an update?  1
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hub: only a MOTU to upload it
[04:21] <hub> I'm MOTU
[04:21] <hub> that makes 2
[04:21] <crimsun> you don't need any advocates for an update.
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hub: then you can just upload it?
[04:21] <crimsun> you need 2 advocates for a NEW source package.
[04:21] <hub> yeah I'll upload it
[04:24] <hub> hugin is in NEW now
[04:24] <hub> at last
[04:30] <hub> who do I email to push a sync of a debian package?
[04:31] <bddebian> Submit a bug report on LP
[04:31] <Hobbsee> hub: and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[04:31] <hub> bddebian: the bug is already in LP
[04:31] <hub> Hobbsee: you mean assign?
[04:31] <hub> ok
[04:32] <hub> makes more sense
[04:32] <ajmitch> do not assign, subscribe
[04:32] <Hobbsee> hub: no, subscribe the archive
[04:32] <LaserJock> subscribe, don't assign
[04:32] <LaserJock> hehe
[04:32] <hub> ah
[04:32] <Hobbsee> hub: if you assign, Kamion will yell at you, most likely
[04:32] <hub> well sorry
[04:32] <LaserJock> I think we have that beat into our heads now
[04:32] <Hobbsee> hub: :)
[04:32] <ajmitch> LaserJock: looks like it :)
[04:32] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: heh...i think i'll assign them a few bugs anyway.
[04:33] <LaserJock> oh crap
[04:34] <hub> ok, deassigned but subscribed
[04:34] <hub> *sigh*
[04:34] <hub> I just wish I could go to LP and file a sync request
[04:34] <Hobbsee> hub: heh, yeah.  we need a box saying "this is a sync"
[04:34] <Hobbsee> and another one saying "this is a wishlist"
[04:34] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: very much a special case, compared to how many other bugs get filed
[04:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: true.  maybe just around merge time :P
[04:35] <ajmitch> soon you end up with 10 different checkboxes
[04:35] <hub> ajmitch: well at least it would auto triage
[04:35] <hub> or something
[04:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: that's true.  as long as it doesnt become like kde bugs, i'll be happy
[04:35] <hub> Hobbsee: what's wromg with KDE bugs
[04:35] <hub> ?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> hub: file a bug there, and try searching for one, and you'll see why i dont like it
[04:36] <hub> I did
[04:36] <Hobbsee> hub: ah.  i keep finding it crashes on me
[04:36] <ajmitch> kde tends to do that
[04:37] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hush you, or i'll make you do an upload.
[04:37] <ajmitch> good luck
[04:38] <ajmitch> squid & apt-proxy tend to make it swap too much
[04:39] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:52] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: do most kubuntu-devel people also read ubuntu-devel?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: no
[04:54] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: stick it on kubuntu-devel
[04:55] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: do you happen to be a moderator on that list?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i dont.  i should ask for that though.
[04:57] <LaserJock> k, I'll just subscribe quickly
[04:58] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: it's very low traffic.  i should use it actually, to poke people to tell them what they can work on.
[05:00] <bddebian> heh
[05:01] <LaserJock> bah, come on, give me the stupid confirmation email >:(
[05:02] <TheMuso> heh
[05:02] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:04] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: DId you leave -offtopic for any particular reason? :)
[05:04] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: too many tabs :P
[05:04] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: and because i wasnt reading it
[05:04] <TheMuso> aaah ok
[05:05] <Hobbsee> then i'll poke someone for an upload.
[05:05] <LaserJock> anything good ever come up there? it always seems like the place people are sent when they get in a fight
[05:06] <bddebian> heh
[05:07] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: only occasionally.  and i got told off for having fun in there.
[05:08] <TheMuso> heh
[05:10] <Hobbsee> bddebian: because someone has to, and your'e it?
[05:13] <bddebian> Does anyone really care?
[05:15] <LaserJock> bddebian: just syncs? or merges too?
[05:15] <bddebian> LaserJock: Both
[05:15] <bddebian> A lot of them have been able to be merged though
[05:15] <LaserJock> ah, well that's sweet
[05:16] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yes.
[05:16] <bddebian> Err s/merged/synced/
[05:16] <LaserJock> is there an updated list?
[05:17] <bddebian> LaserJock: A lot of them haven't been synced yet :-(
[05:48] <crimsun> bddebian: you'd need to talk to BenC in -kernel regarding a method of smoothly building against the latest l-h
[05:49] <bddebian> OK thx crimsun
[05:56] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i did for the patching one.  it was interesting, and i was awake
[05:56] <Hobbsee> and the school zones
[05:56] <TheMuso> heh
[05:56] <TheMuso> see you later then.
[05:57] <bddebian> Later Hobbsee
[05:58] <Hobbsee> eek.  almost walked out without my laptop.
[05:58] <ajmitch> that would be silly
[05:58] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:19] <Cornellius> http://tinyurl.com/kpkbh
[06:21] <Munchkinguy> I'd like to reccomend a great program for inclusion in the Universe.
[06:21] <Munchkinguy> The Last.fm Player
[06:21] <Munchkinguy> I have not idea how to package things, but you can download the tarball at http://www.last.fm/tools/downloads?showplatform=Linux
[06:22] <crimsun> Filename: pool/universe/l/lastfm/lastfm_1.1.90-3_i386.deb
[06:22] <LaserJock> yeah, I thought it was already in
[06:22] <ajmitch> we even have last-exit as well
[06:22] <Munchkinguy> oops. I guess I need to update my repository headings
[06:24] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:24] <Munchkinguy> Oh, it's in edgy, not dapper.
[06:24] <ajmitch> yep, anything new gets added only to the development branch
[06:25] <Munchkinguy> I see.
[06:25] <Munchkinguy> Thank you for the enlightenment.
[06:29] <LaserJock> hmm, I invited the forums to the MOTU Session tomorrow, I wonder if anybody will show?
[06:31] <ajmitch> LaserJock: well, that could be interesting
[06:32] <LaserJock> well, I figured I'd at least try to give them something else to do besides complain about bugs ;-)
[06:32] <ajmitch> where'd you tell them?
[06:32] <ajmitch> ah, edgy forum
[06:32] <ajmitch> I see it
[06:33] <LaserJock> it's an experiment
[06:33] <ajmitch> even linked in to the wiki, how useful ;)
[06:33] <LaserJock> I try
[06:34] <LaserJock> linked to a world clock to for those who are UTC challenged, like me
[06:34] <ajmitch> UTC is fine for me
[06:34] <ajmitch> I'm UTC+12, so it's easy to convert
[06:34] <LaserJock> doh
[06:34] <LaserJock> lucky
[06:34] <LaserJock> I'm either -7 or -8
[06:35] <LaserJock> it gets hard in the evening because you switch days :-(
[06:35] <LaserJock> darn it, speaking of UTC, I bet I missed the dev meeting, again
[06:36] <ajmitch> yes
[06:36] <ajmitch> it was almost 24 hours ago
[06:36] <LaserJock> man, am I good or what? :-)
[06:40] <TheMuso> Hey again Hobbsee
[06:40] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[06:40] <TheMuso> The traffic didn't treat you too badly did it?
[06:40] <Hobbsee> that was fun
[06:40] <TheMuso> The traffic didn't treat you too badly did it?
[06:40] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i was finding it hard to figure out whether i was driving a car, or driving a speedboat, like everyone else was
[06:41] <TheMuso> heh
[06:41] <Hobbsee> and i've seen just how badly my car is handling in the rain with old tyres.
[06:41] <TheMuso> eeek
[06:41] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: doh, I *just* got my confirmation email for kubuntu-devel :)
[06:41] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[06:41] <Hobbsee> and something weird has happened to the usplash, so i had to fight for a while to see what my system was doing - it decided it was going to do the 30 mounts thing.
[06:42] <TheMuso> heh
[06:45] <Hobbsee> right.  phone works too now :)
[06:46] <TheMuso> What? It stopped working as well?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yeah, we've got a VOIP phone, and it tends to get a bit tempramental if the cable goes down.
[06:47] <TheMuso> Ah so its your job to fix it? :)
[06:47] <ajmitch> always great when things break
[06:47] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i'm the only one at hom.
[06:47] <Hobbsee> s/hom/home/
[06:47] <TheMuso> Oh.
[06:47] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: such things usually fall to me though, yes.
[06:48] <TheMuso> Right.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> or dad, if he's home
[06:48] <Hobbsee> Laser_away: heh
[09:19] <ajmitch> and some of the other packages
[09:19] <ajmitch> well, they're in need of some work ;)
[09:19] <jsgotangco> and most people say its almost perfect
[09:19] <ajmitch> hah
[09:22] <jsgotangco> Composite Manager / XGL is 3rd in help.ubuntu.com in terms of hits
[09:22] <Hobbsee> haha
[09:23] <Toadstool> 'morning everybody
[09:27] <imbrandon> moins Toadstool
[09:27] <Toadstool> hey imbrandon
[09:28] <imbrandon> jsgotangco: whats the first 2 ? those stats would be kinda cool to look at
[09:28] <jsgotangco> imbrandon: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PageHits
[09:29] <imbrandon> ahh cool
[09:35] <dholbach> good morning
[09:35] <imbrandon> moins dholbach
[09:35] <dholbach> hey imbrandon
[10:03] <Nafallo> morning
[11:49] <shawarma> Hi guys!
[12:45] <Hobbsee> hi all
[12:45] <viviersf> lo Hobbsee
[12:45] <ajmitch> typical
[12:45] <ajmitch> always blaming others
[12:45] <ajmitch> StevenK would never do that
[12:45] <zul> you never take responsibility for yourself
[12:46] <zul> meh....off to work
[12:46] <ajmitch> bye zul
[12:46] <StevenK> I can neither confirm nor deny that I axe murdered Hobbsee.
[12:46] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:47] <ajmitch> looks confirmed now
[12:47] <StevenK> Hah
[12:47] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:50] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee
[12:50] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso.  i've been axe murdered :(
[12:50] <TheMuso> Well you should be dead.
[12:51] <TheMuso> So whoever is masquerading as Hobbsee, please show your respects, leave now, and let us morn.
[12:51] <Hobbsee> s/seeing as she is told she should be dead/as requested/
[12:51] <TheMuso> Nothing a good shower can't fix. :)
[12:51] <StevenK> TheMuso: But you can't see that's she's dead anyway.
[12:52] <TheMuso> How do you know?
[12:52] <TheMuso> Just because I can't see, doesn't mean I can't find out in other ways.
[12:53] <ajmitch> heh
[12:54] <ajmitch> simple - poke her & see if she reacts
[12:54] <TheMuso> But I'm too nice to do that.
[12:54] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:54] <ajmitch> sure you are
[12:55] <TheMuso> I am.
[12:55] <TheMuso> I wouldn't want to hurt anybody, whether they be male or female.
[12:55] <Hobbsee> sure sure.
[12:56] <Hobbsee> tell StevenK he wants to fix his bugs.
[12:56] <TheMuso> Why don't you?
[12:56] <StevenK> She wants me to fix Linda bugs, and I've lost motivation to work on Debian again.
[12:57] <StevenK> Something about reading -project today.
[12:57] <ajmitch> doesn't surprise me in the least
[12:57] <Hobbsee> StevenK: well, you can always ignore the debian side, and pretend it's only in ubunt if you like.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> ack, cant spell.
[12:58] <TheMuso> While you two debate about bugs, I need to find out where I need to meet up with a board of studies rep next week. :)
[01:00] <StevenK> TheMuso: A place that he can see and you can't? :-P
[01:00] <TheMuso> har har har.
[01:00] <TheMuso> At least what I am meeting up about is stuff to do with software for people who can't se.
[01:00] <TheMuso> s/se/see/
[01:00] <TheMuso> ouch
[01:00] <TheMuso> Kinda used to that however.
[01:01] <TheMuso> So I am not going to hold it against you.
[01:01] <StevenK> TheMuso: I've helped with software for blind and visually impaired...
[01:01] <TheMuso> Cool.
[01:02] <TheMuso> I have been put in contact with someone at the board of studies who is interested in using Ubuntu/Linux with accessibility technologies for producing CD-ROMs with exams on them, with a screen reader etc so that blind/vision impaired people can use them to do exams.
[01:06] <TheMuso> StevenK: What accessibility related stuff has you done?
[01:06] <StevenK> This certainly wasn't wide scale, it was at the office.
[01:06] <TheMuso> Ah right.
[01:06] <StevenK> I made the speech server not crash like a motherf^%&er for Bart.
[01:07] <TheMuso> What speech server?
[01:07] <StevenK> Via Voice.
[01:07] <TheMuso> Oh that.
[01:07] <StevenK> Before IBM updated it. It required a libc5 system.
[01:07] <TheMuso> I know.
[01:07] <StevenK> It doesn't anymore, from what Bart told me.
[01:08] <TheMuso> Hmmm right.
[01:51] <StevenK> Since I was too quick doing a merge, I missed my oppurtunity at a sync.
[01:51] <TheMuso> heh
[01:52] <zul> and you are not going crazy
[02:22] <shawarma> Can someone please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2803 ? I'm meeting with upstream in a few hours and it'd be really nice if I could tell them it's been uploaded to Edgy. :-)
[02:50] <Toadstool> shawarma: uploaded.
[02:57] <shawarma> Toadstool: w00t! Thanks a lot!
[04:35] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey bddebian
[04:36] <bddebian> Hi Kamping_Kaiser
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:07] <dholbach> ** sfllaw is giving a motu school session #ubuntu-motu-school about bug triage
[05:09] <bddebian> Now?
[05:10] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, yes
[05:10] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[05:10] <Gloubiboulga> hi bddebian :)
[05:10] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[05:10] <bddebian> Hi Toadstool
[05:57] <icecrash> hi
[05:59] <Toadstool> hi icecrash
[06:58] <philipacamaniac> I've got a package conflict in universe. totem-gstreamer was updated from 1.4.1 to 1.4.3, and according to Launchpad, so was totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin, but it isn't showing up in the repositories. Only totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin 1.4.1 is available, and it won't install with totem-gstreamer 1.4.3
[06:58] <philipacamaniac> (related to dapper-updates)
[07:00] <philipacamaniac> for now, I'll just install the totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin from launchpad, but I'm not sure how to file this type of problem as a bug for other people
[07:01] <LaserJock> I believe that is a known bug and a fix was already uploaded
[07:03] <philipacamaniac> thank you, although, I've updated my repositories several times in the last couple of days, and I haven't see 1.4.3 appear yet.
[07:03] <philipacamaniac> I'm using us.archive.ubuntu.com
[07:03] <LaserJock> well, there are a lot of packages being built
[07:03] <philipacamaniac> good point, i see
[07:03] <LaserJock> right now,  so there it is probably in the backlog
[07:03] <philipacamaniac> okay thanks
[07:17] <Sp4rKy> hye
[08:08] <bluefoxicy> Uh
[08:08] <bluefoxicy> can somebody move Tremulous from Multiverse to Universe
[08:09] <bluefoxicy> Multiverse == redistributable but not free licensed right?
[08:10] <bddebian> bluefoxicy: I don't think we can do that, only core-devs or archive admins maybe?
[08:10] <bluefoxicy> oh.
[08:11] <azeem> bluefoxicy: why do you think it should move?
[08:12] <LaserJock> bluefoxicy: if it really should move file a bug and *subscribe* ubuntu-archive
[08:12] <LaserJock> I've had to do a couple of those
[08:12] <bluefoxicy> azeem:  Um, because multiverse is redistrib but not free licensed (I think?) and the code is GPL with CC-by-sa content?
[08:13] <azeem> is CC-by-sa ok for universe?
[08:13] <LaserJock> I think so
[08:13] <LaserJock> perhaps
[08:13] <azeem> apparently not
[08:13] <azeem> (see #ubuntu-devel)
[08:14] <bluefoxicy> yeah devel is saying no
[08:14] <LaserJock> hmm, well ubuntu-docs must have an exception then :/
[08:14] <LaserJock> I thought it was ok
[08:14] <bluefoxicy> what are ubuntu-docs licensed under cc-by-sa2.5 o.o?
[08:15] <LaserJock> dual license
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> LaserJock:  I want to know why it's not free.  I'm not arguing the policy but weird.
[08:15] <LaserJock> GFDL and cc-by-sa
[08:15] <azeem> bluefoxicy: search debian-legal I guess
[08:15] <LaserJock> well
[08:15] <LaserJock> yeah, debian-legal is a much better place to find that info
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> cc-by-sa seems to be "make sure my name stays on this and license it under cc-by-sa" which is roughly gpl in my eyes
[08:16] <bluefoxicy> I'll ask legal o.o
[08:16] <azeem> "roughly"
[08:16] <LaserJock> mostly doc licenses are considerd non-free becaue of attribution, I think
[08:16] <azeem> eh, no
[08:16] <azeem> don't *ask* them
[08:16] <azeem> search the archive for why 2.5 is non-free
[08:16] <bluefoxicy> attribution makes things non-free? o_O
[08:16] <azeem> it depends on the wording I guess
[08:16] <azeem> note how mjg59 said 3.0 will be ok probably
[08:16] <azeem> people have been working with CC to ensure this
[08:16] <bluefoxicy> yeah
[08:17] <LaserJock> I think GFDL was just considered barely to be DFSG free
[08:17] <azeem> there are many people who think it isn#t
[08:17] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:17] <azeem> and invariant sections have been declared non-free by general resolution in Debain
[08:17] <LaserJock> oh yeah, that's it
[08:17] <azeem> but Ubuntu is taking a different policy here, I believe
[08:17] <LaserJock> well
[08:18] <LaserJock> I think it's more that Ubuntu isn't a picky about that point, we don't do invariant sections
[08:18] <LaserJock> so it all practicality it's ok
[08:18] <LaserJock> I believe
[08:18] <LaserJock> but then IANAL
[08:18] <azeem> I mean, for 3rd party GFDL docs on archive.u.
[08:18] <azeem> c
[08:19] <azeem> though apparently there is not much incentive to patch the GNU documentation back into main/universe, AFAICT
[08:19] <bddebian> OK, this is the shit I hate.  No one is answering me about squashfs but if I upload it and it tweaks the live-cd stuff, I am going to get an ass-reaming
[08:20] <azeem> bddebian: ask on the list
[08:20] <bddebian> Hmm, OK
[08:20] <LaserJock> I'm sure *somebody* will have a comment
[08:20] <azeem> it's the weekend already for a lot of the core-devs I think
[08:20] <LaserJock> wheither you want it or not :-)
[08:22] <zul> bddebian: or attach a debdiff to a bug report
[08:22] <bddebian> Submit a bug report for something we are supposed to be able to handle anywya?
[08:22] <bddebian> Err anyway..
[08:23] <zul> fine get yelled at :)
[08:24] <bddebian> Why stop now? :-)
[08:34] <scotth> bddebian, haven't you ever heard that its better to beg forgiveness than ask permission?
[08:35] <bluefoxicy> scotth:  that only works for subbies that love to beg
[08:35] <bddebian> scotth: I live by those words at work :-)
[08:35] <LaserJock> scotth: hmm, I don't know if the Technical Board sees it that way ;-)
[08:35] <scotth> so do I... its more fun...
[08:36] <scotth> who is gonna yell at the bull in a china shop?
[08:36] <tseng> bluefoxicy: can you knock that off immediately
[08:36] <tseng> bluefoxicy: (thank you.)
[08:36] <tseng> scotth: don't feed the troll please.
[08:36] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  nobody's feeding me
[08:37] <scotth> I was mostly talking to bddebian
[08:37] <tseng> works for me.
[08:39] <bluefoxicy> I'm bored.
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> (I'm THAT bored)
[08:43] <bluefoxicy> So much for that idea.
[08:44] <scotth> yeah Ive noticed that too, why is that?
[08:44] <bluefoxicy> they probably realized people who weren't devs would probably do something like "Installer crash == critical" "kernel panic == critical" "obscure program nobody cares about not working == normal" etc etc
[08:44] <tseng> it is pretty annoying when users think their bug is higher priority for one
[08:45] <scotth> but what about those on the bug team? I would think they would atleast be able to set the bug to triaged
[08:45] <bluefoxicy> scotth:  you're on the bug team?
[08:46] <tseng> if you are on the bug team and can't triage things, I would escalate to #launchpad
[08:46] <scotth> according to launchpad I am
[08:46] <tseng> and find out why
[08:46] <scotth> so bug team members should be able to?
[08:46] <scotth> I'll hop on over in a few and see why
[08:46] <tseng> I can't say authoratively
[08:46] <tseng> but I feel they should, just a random opinion
[08:46] <scotth> well atleast that would be the right place to ask
[08:47] <bluefoxicy> I am on the "don't join the dev team in any way but try not to be too annoying and see what can be fixed/tested" team
[08:47] <bluefoxicy> I don't think that gives me rights to triaging bugs or reading security-sensitive reports :>
[08:50] <bddebian> Later gang
[08:50] <scotth> btw, when are the irc logs for the latest motu school gonna be posted?
[10:08] <bddebian> Heya gang
[10:14] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[10:15] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[10:30] <LaserJock> boy we are just full of activity today :-)
[10:31] <LaserJock> I'm about read to fall asleep in my luch
[10:31] <LaserJock> ready
[10:31] <crimsun> you're not fixing enough bugs then. :p
[10:31] <b_52Free> hi
[10:33] <bddebian> Hehe
[10:33] <bddebian> Hi b_52Free
[10:35] <phanatic> evening
[10:35] <LaserJock> crimsun: well, it's not from boredom
[10:35] <bb> hi
[10:35] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[10:35] <phanatic> heya bddebian
[10:35] <LaserJock> crimsun: it's more like "I have soo much to do and I'm soo tired that I think I'll just take a little nap on my desk"
[10:36] <crimsun> bah, naps are for wussies. Plenty of time to sleep when you're 80.
[10:36] <LaserJock> well, I got sfflaw's session on the wiki
[10:37] <Sp4rKy> audacious, again only 4 warnings :)
[10:37] <micahcowan> LaserJock, just do like edison, and work til you fall asleep for a few seconds. Keep working, fall asleep, wake up, keep working. :-)
[10:38] <bb> I've created a package for edge and tried to upload it to revu but it did not accept it... It did in the past - so what is wrong?
[10:38] <LaserJock> micahcowan: I'm starting to do that, my brain is failing mid sentence
[10:38] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:38] <crimsun> bb: is your key in the keyring?
[10:38] <LaserJock> bb: are you a member of the ubuntu-universe-contributors Launchpad group?
[10:38] <bb> it has been - I think. I've got two packages already in revu...
[10:39] <bb> and I joined the group on launchpad
[10:59] <kozz> is there any big difference between "real" ubuntu packages and packages directly imported from debian?
[10:59] <kozz> how to tell the difference, the uploader?
[11:00] <azeem> the version
[11:00] <tseng> the version number
[11:00] <tseng> X is debian
[11:00] <tseng> XubuntuY is ubuntu, plainly enough
[11:00] <tseng> this is 1.2.3-1 or 1.2.3-1ubuntu2 fex
[11:01] <kozz> ohh
[11:03] <kozz> so at: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+search?text=xmoto
[11:03] <kozz> there the edgy package is a plain copy from debian while dapper and breezy are modified in ubuntu?
[11:06] <Nafallo> kozz: the breezy package is a backport, otherwize correct.
[11:11] <kozz> ok, tnx
[11:22] <hub> kozz: ideally there wouldn't be any difference
[11:41] <bddebian> Good man LaserJock
[11:42] <bddebian> Wow, whopping response to my e-mail as opposed to IRC eh.. :-)
[11:48] <LaserJock> oh heah, too me a sec to find your email bddebian
[11:48] <LaserJock> *took
[11:49] <LaserJock> mono and the most offensive thing of the day swamped it ;-)
[11:50] <LaserJock> !info squashfs
[11:50] <ubotu> Package squashfs does not exist in dapper
[11:50] <LaserJock> !info squashfs edgy
[11:50] <ubotu> Package squashfs does not exist in edgy
[11:50] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:50] <LaserJock> do I not know how to spell?
[11:51] <micahcowan> squashfs-tools?
[11:52] <LaserJock> !squashfs-tools edgy
[11:52] <ubotu> I know nothing about squashfs-tools edgy - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:52] <LaserJock> !info squashfs-tools edgy
[11:52] <ubotu> squashfs-tools: Tool to create and append to squashfs filesystems. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1:2.2r2-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 61 kB, installed size 200 kB
[11:52] <LaserJock> bugger, I need to go back to bed
[11:53] <bddebian> Heh