[12:42] <raphink> pygi: pong
[12:42] <pygi> raphink, nothing anymore, thanks :)
[12:42] <raphink> haha ok 
[12:42] <raphink> :)
[12:42] <raphink> sorry I was out :)
[12:42] <raphink> vacation today :)
[12:42] <pygi> raphink, no worries :)
[12:42] <pygi> oh,oki, enjoy then :)
[12:43] <pygi> I've had some bad news about conf...
[12:45] <raphink> what are these?
[12:46] <pygi> The news was that I probably won't be able to attend...(not that it's bad for you in any way :P)
[12:47] <raphink> :(
[12:50] <pygi> raphink, tho now I am at the point where I might come, but with some problems :)
[12:51] <raphink> ok
[12:51] <raphink> I hope I can make it too
[12:51] <raphink> I'd have to take half a day off
[12:51] <pygi> right
[12:51] <pygi> I heard you won't be staying for a day extra after
[12:51] <raphink> I might
[12:51] <pygi> I am not even sure I can make it at the conf day :P
[12:51] <raphink> we'll see
[12:51] <pygi> right, we'll see :)
[12:51] <raphink> :)
[03:56] <nixternal> everything KDE sigsev's on me ;(
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hi all
[04:22] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you around?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> !gpg
[05:14] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[06:54] <nixternal_> imbrando1: wasabi
[07:23] <imbrandon> heya nixternal 
[08:46] <imbrandon> heya freeflying 
[08:47] <freeflying> imbrandon: hi
[10:58] <Hobbsee> hi all
[11:00] <imbrandon> heya
[11:00] <imbrandon> whats Hobbsee doing tonight ?
[11:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sitting here doing nothing until dinner - i just got home from work.  is voyager back up yet?
[11:01] <imbrandon> umm its up but not connected to the network
[11:01] <Hobbsee> ok
[11:01] <imbrandon> heh , my imap server is giving me fits so i unhooked the router and i'm directly on console atm
[11:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ouch
[11:06] <imbrandon> heh
[11:07] <Hobbsee> dinner time.
[11:15] <aliasfred> fun time
[11:34] <omeow> Time to do dangerous things. :)
[11:41] <omeow> Now the big question, will this upgrade break stuff or not? :)
[11:43] <Hobbsee> omeow: likely.  you prepared to fix it if it breaks?
[11:45] <omeow> I'm prepared to report the problem with as much detail as I can.
[11:45] <Hobbsee> omeow: hmmmmm...okay
[11:45] <Hobbsee> you might be okay
[11:46] <Hobbsee> nothing?  no upgrades at all?  how pathetic.
[11:46] <omeow> Or were you insinuating (spelled correct?) that I should fix whichever package that breaks without knowing how to fix packages? :)
[11:46] <danimo> moin folks
[11:46] <Tm_T> =)
[11:46] <Tm_T> moin moin
[11:46] <danimo> hi Tm_T
[11:46] <Hobbsee> hi danimo, Tm_T 
[11:47] <danimo> hi Hobbsee :)
[11:47] <Tm_T> my older brother is getting married today, that reduces my irc time :(
[11:47] <Tm_T> ;-P
[11:47] <Hobbsee> omeow: no...not really.  but if dhclient, etc breaks, or X wont start, you need to know how to use the console (enough to get by) and how to use irssi, so that you can get back onto IRC if you have problems.
[11:48] <Hobbsee> omeow: also useful is if you know how to use a console based browser, for the same reason.
[11:48] <Hobbsee> omeow: ie, people will fix whatever's broken, but if you cant get near us to tell us what's wrong, then you're a little screwed.
[11:48] <Hobbsee> omeow: oh, and you cant tell us the problem, either.
[11:49] <Tm_T> yeah
[11:49] <Hobbsee> dishes time
[11:50] <omeow> Hobbsee: I know enough to come by. :)
[11:50] <Hobbsee> omeow: good, just checking :)
[11:50] <omeow> I use irssi and lynx when I do upgrades.
[11:50] <omeow> One sec.
[11:51] <omeow> Upgraded without problems. \o/
[11:52] <Tm_T> mooh
[11:52] <omeow> I really need to figure out why I need to downgrade my xserver-xorg-input in order to fix my mouse though.
[12:11] <omeow> Hobbsee, do you know of a way to induce a crash? I need to know if the backtrace pop-up works. Last time it couldn't create a valid backtrace because the program it needed wasn't installed or wasn't installed properly.
[12:12] <Hobbsee> omeow: install gdb, maybe?
[12:12] <omeow> Thats already installed. And it was when it gave me the message that it couldn't create a backtrace.
[12:13] <Hobbsee> um, okay?  which app was this for?
[12:13] <Hobbsee> you can run gdb programname, then type run, too
[12:13] <omeow> Yes I know. But on KDE, when an app crashes, you get a crash dialog and that can create a backtrace too.
[12:14] <omeow> I need to induce that dialog manually to see if I can make backtraces. =/
[12:14] <Hobbsee> true...kcrash
[12:15] <omeow> Riddell, I fixed "qstring_to_xtp result code -2" by doing "export LC_ALL="en_US" (source; http://www.openqnx.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1414)
[12:15] <omeow> Riddell, why it only seems to concern qt2 is beyond me.
[12:16] <omeow> Hobbsee, don't suppose there's a way to induce kcrash manually is there? :)
[12:16] <omeow> at least, there doesn't seem to be a commandline for it.
[12:16] <Hobbsee> omeow: more a question as to why you would want to, although you could start the crashing proggy again
[12:16] <omeow> well, last time on logout, all programs crashed, but I couldn't reproduce that a second time.
[12:18] <omeow> And since everything was crashing, I couldn't open the commandline in KDE and I couldn't make backtraces because something wasn't installed (or installed properly).
[12:18] <omeow> I guess I could have tried to use gdb in a tty, but I forgot about that.
[12:23] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[12:24] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: voayager is back to its normal self if ya care ;)
[12:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yay :)
[12:24] <imbrandon> voyager*
[12:24] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:25] <imbrandon> all my mail is copiying to enterprise atm ( 40k + messages
[12:25] <imbrandon> )
[12:25] <imbrandon> lol
[12:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice :)
[12:26] <imbrandon> hrm infact i should probably go plug this lappy into the router instead of doing this wireless
[12:26] <imbrandon> probably wont take as long
[12:27] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:27] <imbrandon> i was looking i got email all the way back from 1996 on here LOL
[12:28] <Hobbsee> now that's really scary.
[12:28] <imbrandon> heh unless its spam i rarely delete a message
[12:28] <imbrandon> just file it in a folder
[12:30] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/55284
[12:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55284 in amarok "SIGSEGV in knotify when configuring amoraK" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[12:30] <Hobbsee> yay for a useless backtrace, i suspect
[12:31] <Hobbsee> i cant read backtraces, but that one makes me think "yep.  it crashed.  and i dont think i'll ever find out how"
[12:31] <imbrandon> lol
[12:32] <mornfall> yeah, it looks pretty useless indeed
[12:33] <imbrandon> hehe heya mornfall 
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hi mornfall 
[12:33] <mornfall> hmm, and another 2000
[12:33] <mornfall> hi
[12:33] <mornfall> \o/ 883M    mail
[12:33] <mornfall> better than 1G :-)
[12:33] <imbrandon> heh
[12:33] <imbrandon> i'm scared to look at the size of mine 
[12:39] <imbrandon> ugh i actualy killed a osx app
[12:39] <imbrandon> thats a first
[12:39] <imbrandon> ( for me )
[12:50] <toma_> j#kde-nl
[12:54] <toma_> hi
[12:54] <toma_> does anyone have a pointer to a network install of edgy? my harddrive is failing so I need to set it up quickly.
[12:55] <toma_> is edgy workable atm?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> toma_: it's mostly workable, yeah.
[12:55] <toma_> oki
[12:56] <Riddell> network install iso: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[12:56] <Riddell> no idea if it works or not
[12:56] <Riddell> use the preseed/url at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFiles with s/dapper/edgy/
[12:57] <Hobbsee> toma_: what graphics card?  those with spiffy graphics cards seem to have more problems
[12:57] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell 
[12:57] <toma_> Hobbsee: nothing impressive here
[12:57] <Hobbsee> toma_: spiffy graphics cards = nvidia, ati
[12:57] <toma_> Riddell: that requires a cd-rom drive?
[12:58] <toma_> nvidia here
[01:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:08] <Riddell> toma_: you can do a pxe boot with the .tar.gz image if you set up a tftp server
[01:08] <toma_> Riddell: hmm, i'll try a debootstrap and chroot first. 
[01:09] <Hobbsee> bah.  reading the newspaper is boring.
[01:09] <Hobbsee> hi pygi 
[01:10] <pygi> I hate so called "upstream
[01:10] <pygi> "upstream" of libburn
[01:10] <Hobbsee> yay for fast machines.  ssh is working, imbrandon 
[01:10] <pygi> the project hasn't been developed for two years, and now when I revived it, after a week the maintainer is practicly saying "it didnt need revival, it was alive"
[01:10] <pygi> wow :)
[01:15] <Sime> Riddell: BTW, the kde 3.5.4 packages are missing api docs. The doc package only contains dirs.
[01:16] <aliasfred> it was alive <- was
[01:16] <Riddell> Sime: kdelibs?  or all of them?
[01:17] <Sime> Riddel: kdelibs4-doc  only contains dir, a couple of text files and no html files.
[01:17] <mornfall> pygi: i sort of understand the maintainer
[01:17] <mornfall> it's sort of annoying when you work on something and someone comes and "revives" it...
[01:18] <pygi> mornfall, the project was dead for two years
[01:18] <pygi> it banished from the face of the earth
[01:18] <Sime> Riddell: is konq and kde prelinked or anything like that in kubuntu?
[01:19] <mornfall> s/banished/vanished/
[01:19] <mornfall> the mailing list was alive though
[01:19] <Riddell> Sime: no
[01:20] <Hobbsee> ah yes.  mailing lists.
[01:21] <pygi> mornfall, lol,no it wasn't :P
[01:21] <aliasfred> the cool point is if the project is open source, you can use it without caring about the author opinion :)
[01:21] <mornfall> i mean, it's very uncurteous to just go and steal someone's project name and codebase from them
[01:21] <mornfall> maintained or not
[01:22] <Hobbsee> hi apachelogger, how's amarok doing?
[01:22] <mornfall> without even as much as asking first
[01:22] <mornfall> come on
[01:22] <pygi> mornfall, bleh, so you would just leave the project unmaintained even if it had potential? 
[01:22] <pygi> aliasfred, I wouldn't like to do that :)
[01:23] <mornfall> pygi: what about asking for commit access? is it *that* hard?
[01:23] <aliasfred> well it is open source :) it is in fact the main advantage of open source :)
[01:23] <mornfall> or do a proper fork if you can't work with current maintainer
[01:23] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: currently 1.4.2 is scheduled for 13th
[01:23] <mornfall> but fork = different name
[01:23] <aliasfred> the fact that other can use it without caring about the author opinion :) 
[01:23] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: oh darn.  i'm a week off then.
[01:23] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: a guy just mailed me and asked why kopete depands on xmms - any idea?
[01:23] <pygi> mornfall, asking for commit access is not a problem....but two years, and then such a reaction...
[01:24] <pygi> anyway, you are right...probably name change
[01:24] <aliasfred> if you are afraid of the appearance, you can call that 'liberty' as the fsf does :)
[01:24] <mornfall> pygi: i completely agree with current maintainers
[01:24] <mornfall> pygi: sorry
[01:24] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: it *doesnt* - Riddell's packages do though
[01:24] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:24] <apachelogger> Oo
[01:24] <pygi> mornfall, no need to be sorry :)
[01:24] <mornfall> pygi: if you did that to me, i'd pretty much flame you to hell :p
[01:24] <apachelogger> phew, so I get spam because Riddell did mess with our package? :P
[01:25] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: xmms-dev was a build dep...
[01:25] <pygi> mornfall, I ain't afraid of you ^_^
[01:25] <apachelogger> Oo
[01:25] <mornfall> pygi: heh, well...
[01:25] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: a while ago
[01:25] <pygi> mornfall, and Adept is kinda maintained ^_^ When you'r not lazy :)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> hey now, no flamewars please.
[01:26] <mornfall> pygi: there was maybe a year without commits in the project history
[01:26] <mornfall> pygi: pissing of maintainers (no matter how much in hiatus) is a good way to kill projects
[01:26] <pygi> mornfall, right, but if you explored libburn,you would see that the project was about to be sponsored by number of companies, accepted into gnome to replace the current burning facilities, bla, bla...
[01:26] <pygi> and then silence...
[01:27] <mornfall> pygi: heh, been there, seen that (different project)
[01:27] <aliasfred> why this sense of owner ship ? i mean it is all in open soruce no ? so it is deep in the law and in the spirit that you allow other to play with the code ?
[01:27] <mornfall> pygi: just humbug
[01:27] <mornfall> always just humbug
[01:27] <mornfall> it boils down to absence of people that do the actual work
[01:28] <Hobbsee> :(  pitti's script isnt working for me.
[01:28] <pygi> aliasfred: eh
[01:28] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: I don't see why xmms should be build dep
[01:28] <pygi> aliasfred, people are protective, you know ^_^
[01:28] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: there was a reason.  right now, i dont remember why though
[01:28] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: does the changelog tell you as to why?
[01:29] <aliasfred> pygi: serious i dont get it, so why do they release in opensource ? i  mean it is the spirit and the law in opensoruce
[01:29] <mornfall> aliasfred: well, take it this way -- how would people react if back in kde 1 days, gnome would decide that they will rewrite kde using gtk and NAME IT KDE?
[01:29] <mornfall> aliasfred: instead of naming it gnome
[01:29] <apachelogger> if kate wouldn't carsh ;-)
[01:29] <Hobbsee> ah right, it just hates imbrandon's machine.
[01:29] <aliasfred> mornfall: i dunno, ask them. the point is open source is designed in spirit and law to allow it
[01:30] <mornfall> aliasfred: because kde was "non-free" -- about as good excuse as being "unmaintained"
[01:30] <aliasfred> mornfall: if they do open source, they are commited to allow it
[01:30] <mornfall> aliasfred: no
[01:30] <pygi> aliasfred, no, not the name
[01:30] <mornfall> aliasfred: you completely misunderstand what opensource is about
[01:30] <pygi> read the licences :)
[01:30] <aliasfred> pygi: ??? which one 
[01:30] <mornfall> it's not about people hijacking projects
[01:30] <pygi> aliasfred, all open source ones =P
[01:30] <mornfall> it's about cooperation
[01:30] <mornfall> you can change everything you like as long as you play nice
[01:31] <mornfall> you can go against author's wishes but you acknowledge they will hate you
[01:31] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: at least not ours
[01:31] <aliasfred> pygi: well i read a lot of them :) and i dont remember that any include depositing for name :)
[01:31] <aliasfred> pygi: is there any ?
[01:31] <apachelogger>   --with-xmms             enable support for XMMS [default=check] 
[01:31] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: right.
[01:31] <pygi> eh
[01:31] <apachelogger> hm
[01:31] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: it's compiled with that?
[01:31] <mornfall> aliasfred: T
[01:31] <apachelogger> really, I think this option is generic
[01:31] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: no
[01:31] <mornfall> aliasfred: most of TeX is covered by that
[01:31] <aliasfred> mornfall: hue ? ok i have seen any license talking about 'playing nice' :)
[01:32] <mornfall> aliasfred: Bitstream Vera
[01:32] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: ie, is it compiled --with-xmms or --without-xmms?
[01:32] <aliasfred> mornfall: is there any ?
[01:32] <mornfall> aliasfred: no, it's not about license, it's about basic ethics
[01:32] <Hobbsee> i would have thought without, otherwise it would ftbfs, surely
[01:32] <aliasfred> mornfall: ohhh ok :)
[01:32] <mornfall> you are just being a jerk
[01:32] <mornfall> (the playing nice part)
[01:32] <mornfall> well
[01:32] <aliasfred> mornfall: so who is the guys who didact the 'ethics' ?
[01:32] <mornfall> see
[01:32] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: it's not listed
[01:33] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: right
[01:33] <apachelogger> if xmms-config is not available it's auto without
[01:33] <apachelogger> anyway, I think this is a KDE build generic option
[01:33] <pygi> aliasfred, you cannot determine that...'ethics' is just that...ethics :)
[01:33] <apachelogger> it doesn't influcene kopete in any way
[01:33] <apachelogger> at last I can't think of one
[01:33] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: right, yeah
[01:33] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i do remember there being a reason for it though :P
[01:33] <aliasfred> pygi: yeah, so the ethics is just the opinion of the guy who talk :)
[01:33] <pygi> aliasfred, not really :)
[01:33] <mornfall> aliasfred: people like you piss me off... but at least, you gave me a good reason for a particular uneasy decision
[01:34] <mornfall> HA
[01:34] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: whether it was to do with webcams/voice/etc, i'm not sure
[01:34] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: maybe kdenetwork knows
[01:34] <aliasfred> pygi: but he want to put some big word to makeit appears legitimate :)
[01:34] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: erm, don't think so
[01:34] <apachelogger> what for would that stuff need xmms?
[01:34] <pygi> ya
[01:34] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i dont remember now :P
[01:34] <pygi> aliasfred, eh, you dont get the open source point :-/
[01:34] <apachelogger> audio is probably handled by arts
[01:34] <apachelogger> and video by casper
[01:34] <aliasfred> pygi: what make you think taht ?
[01:35] <pygi> aliasfred, your statements :)
[01:35] <apachelogger> s/casper/jasper
[01:35] <mornfall> pygi: oh he does, point of opensource is being bitch with everyone
[01:35] <aliasfred> pygi: sure but can you give the statement and explain why it show i dont get opensource :)
[01:35] <mornfall> pygi: he opened my eyes
[01:36] <pygi> mornfall, eh :'(
[01:36] <mornfall> consider adept 2.x discontinued
[01:36] <mornfall> if there are volunteers which are so stupid as to participate in OSS project
[01:36] <mornfall> you can go and maintain it
[01:36] <Hobbsee> sigh.  i thought i said no flamewars.
[01:36] <uniq> have anyone tested KDE compiled and run with --fast-malloc? is it faster?
[01:36] <aliasfred> pygi: ?
[01:37] <pygi> mornfall, what? wth?
[01:37] <pygi> don't do such stuff
[01:37] <mornfall> why not
[01:37] <pygi> you know there are and there will always be people like him
[01:37] <mornfall> so what
[01:37] <aliasfred> hey!!!
[01:37] <mornfall> i have my full right to be pissed off
[01:37] <pygi> mornfall, right, but com'on, calm down please
[01:37] <mornfall> and to do whatever i think, as long as it complies with licenses
[01:38] <aliasfred> pygi: man you are being irrespectfull !! you tell me i dont get opensource i ask you to explain the reason... and then you ignore me? 
[01:38] <apachelogger> hell
[01:38] <pygi> it's not like you hear this for the first time
[01:38] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: Riddell himself removed the xmms build dep
[01:38] <pygi> aliasfred, right, whatever
[01:38] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: did he say why?
[01:38] <apachelogger> well
[01:38] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: that sounds reasonable, i dont think i removed it
[01:38] <apachelogger> it has been fixed from debian maintainers
[01:38] <mornfall> pygi: enough is enough, i can listen to this for only so long
[01:38] <apachelogger> now listening plugin links against libxmms
[01:38] <Hobbsee> ahhhh...that's it...
[01:39] <pygi> mornfall, you see this is one of the reasons why I'll most likely go away from the ubuntu community after edgy is done
[01:39] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i told you it was something :P
[01:39] <apachelogger> well
[01:39] <pygi> mornfall, right, but be reasonable pls 
[01:39] <hunger> Hobbsee: IIRC xmms depends on glib 1.2 and that was supposed to get kicked out of main.
[01:39] <Hobbsee> hunger: ah lovely.
[01:39] <apachelogger> Added a patch to dlopen
[01:39] <apachelogger> +    libxmms at runtime and use it if present, so that the plugin remains
[01:39] <apachelogger> +    functional even if XMMS is not installed
[01:39] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: the dep is not needed
[01:40] <apachelogger> if at all, xmms gets a suggests nothing more
[01:40] <aliasfred> pygi: mornfall: i dont get you guys, serious, you actually think that opensuorce is not about the license. this seems so weird to me. i mean opensource is all about license for me.
[01:40] <pygi> aliasfred, you are so wrong!!!
[01:40] <aliasfred> so you think am a jerk ok, but would be more respectfull to state the poitn of which you disagree, rather than insulting
[01:40] <apachelogger> *wonder*
[01:40] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: cool.  i didnt do those debs.
[01:40] <aliasfred> pygi: and you are so not telling where im wrong :)
[01:41] <imbrandon> aliasfred , pygi : this is not the place take it to another channel please
[01:41] <aliasfred> Hobbsee: hey, is insulting part of the ubuntu code of conduct ?
[01:42] <aliasfred> just to know did you kick pigy too ?
[01:42] <imbrandon> yes
[01:42] <Hobbsee> [21:41]  <-- pygi has left this channel (requested by Hobbsee: " come back when you've cooled off").
[01:42] <Hobbsee> [21:41]  --> aliasfred has joined this channel (n=fred@73.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net).
[01:42] <aliasfred> ah ok so it is cool
[01:42] <Hobbsee> aliasfred: it is not.  i told you guys to behave and not to participate in flamewars.
[01:43] <imbrandon> feel lucky Hobbsee got to the button first /me would have +b for 24 hrs
[01:43] <aliasfred> Hobbsee: yep you did and we did not. on the other side, i considered it as a offtopic subject more that a flamewar, at least at frist
[01:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i was tempted.
[01:43] <aliasfred> but i understand the point
[01:43] <aliasfred> imbrandon: man please do it
[01:44] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: you have to time to patch kopete?
[01:44] <aliasfred> imbrandon: to exerceice authority you must apply the threat
[01:44] <Riddell> nixternal: ping
[01:44] <uniq> flamewars are good for the heart. :)
[01:44] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i cant upload it - it's in main.  anyone can patch it, really
[01:44] <Hobbsee> uniq: not when they split communities.
[01:44] <imbrandon> aliasfred: please drop it now in this chan or i still may, it belongs in offtopic not -devel
[01:44] <apachelogger> hehe, I'm quite busy already :D
[01:44] <apachelogger> 5km long todo
[01:44] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: sure, what's the patch?
[01:45] <uniq> Hobbsee: oping and kicking is as much a solution as war you know :)
[01:45] <imbrandon> Riddell: i think nixternal  is still on holiday
[01:45] <apachelogger> sec, gotta paste the kdenetwork diff
[01:45] <Hobbsee> uniq: they didnt obey my calls to stop.
[01:45] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: this for the kde 3.5.4 packages?
[01:45] <uniq> Hobbsee: that's what USA always says.
[01:45] <apachelogger> nah
[01:45] <apachelogger> 3.5.3
[01:45] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: um, why?
[01:46] <apachelogger> I goes the patch doesn't exist in .4 anymore?
[01:46] <apachelogger> anyway, I think nowlistening didn't changed ;-)
[01:46] <apachelogger> -ed
[01:46] <aliasfred> imbrandon: please do. im serious, itis part of learning to apply authority. i know you from other chat. i repect you. and i think you should ban me, as i think it woiuld teach you to you should apply the threat or you will be known as doing empty threat. which is obviously not good for authority
[01:46] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/116703
[01:47] <imbrandon> thanks Hobbsee i dident feel like oping up in irssi lol
[01:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe
[01:48] <omeow> What's this constantly opening and closing program that I see in the process table? It's too fast for me to make out, I think it says klauncher.
[01:48] <omeow> It seems to open 3 instances of konqueror?
[01:49] <omeow> It's a constant flicker in any case. Seems to happen every second.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> uniq: it's a good final "you will behave, or i will make you" type idea.
[01:51] <omeow> Interesting, it seems to be a child of kdeinit, since the behavior stops when I close that tree.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: what are you *intending* to do with that patch?  it's modifying a lot outside of debian/
[01:51] <omeow> Hm, guess not.
[01:52] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: dlopen libxmms at runtime and use it if present, so that the plugin remains functional even if libxmms is not installed
[01:53] <apachelogger> so no shared dep against xmms needed
[01:53] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: ahh.  i'd send that upstream
[02:03] <toma> Xsession.5.gz is in x11-common and in xinit
[02:42] <omeow> Would disabling renderaccel have any effect on wine's font rendering? Because that's one of the programs I'm still missing fonts in.
[02:42] <omeow> (fonts on gui's are missing)
[03:30] <bddebian> Heya
[03:30] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[03:31] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:48] <Hobbsee> |toma|: yay :)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> |toma|: anything broken?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> er, maybe that should read "how much is broken?"
[03:48] <|toma|> Hobbsee: nothing to serious, only two bugreports filed
[03:49] <Hobbsee> |toma|: oh nice.  what about?
[03:49] <|toma|> Hobbsee: a man page being in two packages, i pasted that earlier
[03:49] <Hobbsee> |toma|: ahh.  universe or main?
[03:49] <|toma|> the kernel package which failed on the postinstall
[03:49] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:49] <Hobbsee> oh yes, i think is aw that
[03:50] <|toma|> Hobbsee: and a weird on in X, it seems the fixed font is not installed
[03:50] <Hobbsee> |toma|: ah
[03:50] <|toma|> maybe a xbase depend missing, but i know nothing about it, so it could be my fault
[03:51] <|toma|> xfonts
[03:51] <Hobbsee> |toma|: could be, no idea.
[03:51] <|toma|> Hobbsee: if i have my mail running, i'll give you the bug numbers
[03:52] <Hobbsee> |toma|: they should hit -bugs anyway
[04:28] <nixternal> Riddell: pong?
[04:29] <Riddell> nixternal: able to do UWN today?
[04:29] <nixternal> i will probably work on it after my lecture, yes
[04:29] <Riddell> rocking
[04:29] <nixternal> haha
[05:00] <toma> cool, cryptodisk fixed, i'm all set again
[06:08] <Riddell> ** testers needed for dapper point release candidates http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dapper/daily/20060805.1/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dapper/daily-live/20060805.1/
[06:21] <Lure> Riddell: no DVD?
[06:23] <Riddell> not yet
[06:36] <Lure> raphink: around?
[06:37] <raphink> yep
[06:38] <Lure> you worked on soundkonverter for dapper (with Tonio_) 
[06:38] <Lure> are you fine if we move it to universe - it is in multiverse due to depends on lame/mplayer
[06:39] <raphink> sure I'm fine if it can move
[06:39] <Lure> I am updating to 0.2 and would change depends/recommends/suggests appropriately
[06:39] <raphink> would you remove the depends ?
[06:39] <raphink> ah
[06:39] <raphink> well sure
[06:40] <Lure> ogg/flac/ffmpeg would be recommends (similar to kaudiocreator) and lame/mplayer would be suggests (which is ok for universe as confirmed by mdz/Kamion)
[06:40] <raphink> alright then
[06:40] <Lure> ok, will prepare package and I will upload it somewhere for review
[06:40] <raphink> totally ok for me
[06:40] <Lure> thanks
[07:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: around?
[08:47] <coder10799> are u interested
[08:47] <coder10799> ?
[08:48] <coder10799> i have some projects to be done
[08:48] <coder10799> i am looking for freelancer
[08:48] <coder10799> http://www.freewebs.com/betbrain/hidden/IT/money/allprojects
[08:48] <coder10799> if you are interested
[08:48] <coder10799> contact me
[08:48] <coder10799> see projects
[08:48] <coder10799> by coder10
[09:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: hi
[09:06] <Riddell> hmm, spammers
[09:06] <apachelogger> ;-)
[09:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: heya, we submitted a news to the dot - though theres a fault in it
[09:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: "...submission until August 18th..." should actually be "...submission until September 1st..."
[09:09] <Riddell> what timezone?
[09:09] <Riddell> and by 12pm I assume you mean midday
[09:10] <apachelogger> ah, UTC that is - exactly before 2nd begins
[09:10] <Riddell> oh, so midnight ending
[09:10] <apachelogger> yeah
[09:11] <Riddell> http://dot.kde.org/1154796419/ updated
[09:11] <Riddell> I don't have time to publish it just yet
[09:12] <apachelogger> k
[09:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: before you publish, please also have a look at http://rokymotion.pwsp.net/promowiki/index.php?title=Articles%2FArtists_AmarokLive-1.4&diff=2567&oldid=2566 - markey just discovered some other stuff
[09:43] <abattoir> Riddell: hi :)
[09:44] <abattoir> Riddell: i need some help...
[09:45] <abattoir> btw.. '20:21 < apachelogger> Riddell: before you publish, please also have a look at http://rokymotion.pwsp.net/promowiki/index.php?title=Articles%2FArtists_AmarokLive-1.4&diff=2567&oldid=2566 - markey just discovered some other stuff ' was also supposed to go into the dot article? or was it a mistake?
[09:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: you tell me, it's your article
[09:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah, yeah, considerable it's mine
[09:46] <apachelogger> rokymotion is suffering passive members
[09:46] <apachelogger> gotta drop them all and do a recall I guess :|
[09:47] <apachelogger> abattoir: looks like mistakes to me ;-)
[09:49] <apachelogger> abattoir: ah, you mean in the news at dot?
[09:49] <abattoir> apachelogger: yes :)
[09:49] <apachelogger> oh
[09:49] <apachelogger> abattoir: temp note that is imho :D
[09:50] <abattoir> apachelogger: aah, ok :P
[09:51] <Riddell> abattoir: how's the oem installer doing?
[09:51] <abattoir> Riddell: there's just one thing in the way....
[09:51] <abattoir> Riddell: and i need your help... for it :P
[09:52] <abattoir> Riddell: i just have to figure out how to get back control from the UI loop (app.exec_loop())
[09:52] <abattoir> Riddell: i read through the backend, and a couple of functions there are supposed to do that... but they dont seem to be working for me
[09:53] <abattoir> otherwise, the coding is done
[09:53] <abattoir> actually, there are a couple of debconf functions that i should complete...
[09:55] <abattoir> Riddell: so could i upload the source... so that you could look at it when you are free?
[10:04] <Lure> raphink, Tonio_: if you can review soundkonverter on http://lure.homelinux.net/kubuntu/ 
[10:08] <Riddell> abattoir: sure
[10:09] <Riddell> abattoir: you get back control from the main loop with self.app.exit()
[10:10] <abattoir> Riddell: but that seems to close the UI, rather that get back control for the intermediate steps
[10:10] <abattoir> Riddell: i'm sure you'd know... as it is very very similar to ubiquity, there are a couple of functions in the backend which handle just that... but i dont know where i am going wrong
[10:10] <Riddell> it'll stop the UI being responsive
[10:12] <abattoir> hmmm, ok, i'll give it another shot... because, for eg. in the first step, the data from the backend, for language and location is loaded, but then, from the next one onwards... nothing is.