[12:28] <zul> hola
[12:33] <Kamion> bddebian: no - use -v
[12:34] <Spads> jdub: unpong
[12:37] <bddebian> Kamion: Thx
[04:07] <Hobbsee> morning all
[04:12] <rodarvus> hi Hobbsee 
[04:13] <Hobbsee> rodarvus: i'm looking at the upgrades.  sure you didnt breka anything?  :P
[04:14] <rodarvus> anyone with an amd64 edgy installation willing to test-build qemu for me?
[04:14] <rodarvus> Hobbsee, nah, not yet :)
[04:14] <rodarvus> but I have a full weekend in front of me!
[04:15] <Hobbsee> rodarvus: hehehe....
[04:15] <Hobbsee> rodarvus: should i get my long pointy stick out?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> rodarvus: and polish it up, all ready to use on the people who break things?
[04:18] <bluefoxicy> Hobbsee:  it's more fun to bludgeon people repeatedly with a blunt stick than it is to drive a pointy stick into them
[04:18] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: well....if that's your preference, yes
[04:18] <bluefoxicy> they don't stop moving as fast
[04:19] <bluefoxicy> (in fact people are much more useful when they're still breathing and not full of holes)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:23] <ajmitch> rodarvus: I can build qemu if you like
[04:23] <ajmitch> you have an updated source package available?
[04:23] <rodarvus> yup
[04:23] <rodarvus> just finished building it on i386
[04:23] <rodarvus> didn't tested it yet, though :D
[04:24] <ajmitch> it builds, ship it :)
[04:24] <rodarvus> yeah!
[04:24] <rodarvus> let me just dogfood it a little while before uploading
[04:24] <ajmitch> ok
[04:24] <ajmitch> still want me to do a test amd64 build before you subject the archives to it?
[04:27] <rodarvus> amazing, it works.
[04:27] <rodarvus> ajmitch, I'm uploading it now, will hand you the url in a second
[04:27] <rodarvus> ajmitch, yes, please do
[04:28] <ajmitch> ok
[04:28] <rodarvus> (uploading to people.ubuntu.com, I mean :) )
[04:29] <rodarvus> ajmitch, http://people.ubuntu.com/~rodarvus/packages/qemu/
[04:29] <jdub> mdz: ping
[04:30] <ajmitch> yep, got it
[04:30] <rodarvus> thanks!
[04:32] <ajmitch> jdub: what did you need to convince me of for beaglefs?
[04:32] <jdub> ajmitch: wasn't sure if you wanted to maintain it long term
[04:32] <ajmitch> fine by me
[04:32] <jdub> sweet, thanks
[04:40] <jdub> mdz, doko: ping (rrdtool)
[04:45] <ajmitch> rodarvus: qemu built fine
[04:46] <rodarvus> ajmitch, nice, I'll upload it - thanks a lot for the test-build!
[04:54] <rodarvus> qemu uploaded
[04:54] <rodarvus> I call it a day
[04:54] <rodarvus> good night all
[04:55] <rodarvus> ?
[04:55] <rodarvus> anyhow
[04:55] <Fujitsu> trackballs in Debian has `xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev, libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev', while Ubuntu has `libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev'
[04:55] <Fujitsu> Which is correct?
[04:56] <Fujitsu> I haven't seen this libglu1-xorg-dev dependency before...
[04:56] <crimsun> Debian is.
[04:56] <crimsun> we now have a libglu1-xorg-dev that depends on libglu1-mesa-dev
[04:57] <Fujitsu> OK, thanks.
[04:57] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you're doing trackballs?
[04:58] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, yes, like I did a couple of weeks ago.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: cool, okay
[04:58] <jdub> tseng: ping
[05:05] <mournahan> need help, dapper hard freezes 2-3 times daily and cant find any solution
[05:06] <Hobbsee> mournahan: --> #ubuntu
[05:06] <Hobbsee> mournahan: read the /topic
[05:07] <mournahan> no help there, thought try here
[05:07] <mournahan> sorry
[07:03] <tseng> jdub: hello
[07:39] <Flowking> And here i thought everyone was  useless for a while... until someone cool or i step aside sessie james will be ontop (Naah:)
[07:41] <Flowking> Cheers all .. each and everyone of you could potentially be just as cool as i am!!!
[07:41] <Flowking> I love you all
[07:43] <Flowking> Ill be coding for you even though crap stinks.. WE DO NOT CARE
[07:43] <Flowking> :=)
[07:43] <Flowking> 10 meters of snow... wont hinder me
[07:43] <Flowking> Ill be the breast coder :=)
[07:44] <Flowking> PCB.. find any coder better atm ?.. we need a trackrecord
[07:44] <Flowking> linus.. yeah.. but he is just GOOD
[07:45] <Flowking> :)
[07:45] <Flowking> So "Machine head- A thousand lies" ?
[07:45] <Flowking> Awesome
[07:46] <Flowking> Its all about rebooting the brain until the next time CRAZY BRAIN!!!
[07:46] <Flowking> :)
[07:48] <Flowking> I could be at a thing called "Hedesunda sommar party" or something....
[07:48] <Flowking> Sexxi
[07:48] <Flowking> :)
[07:52] <Flowking> Sorry Awesome hogs.... want me to lead.. no thats illegal nowdays too "Infringement or some shit!"
[07:52] <neuralis> Flowking: you're trolling and flooding; please leave.
[07:52] <Flowking> So, No i cant even teach you how to COMPUTE
[07:52] <tseng> neuralis: good luck with that.
[07:52] <Flowking> ssh
[07:53] <Flowking> neuralis: you see how HHHG will affect the gilted aswell ?
[07:54] <Flowking> neuralis: "The rage to Overcome" "Machine Head"
[07:54] <Flowking> Keep an open mind and youll be Be
[07:55] <Flowking> neuralis: download some of that man.. really good to be coding to
[07:56] <Flowking> Relaxing
[07:57] <Flowking> neuralis: is it sexxi or do you have a slow pipe (Zap Brannagan:)
[07:58] <neuralis> -- Ignoring ALL from Flowking/*
[07:58] <Flowking> Alternatively youve been swallowed by a small dog
[07:58] <tseng> lilo: ah thank goodness
[07:58] <lilo> orientation?
[07:58] <Flowking> MORON
[07:58] <lilo> tseng: flowking?
[07:58] <Flowking> You dont rock
[07:58] <tseng> lilo: yes.
[07:58] <neuralis> lilo: i just paged you.
[07:59] <neuralis> lilo: thanks.
[07:59] <lilo> neuralis: *nod* got it
[07:59] <tseng> lilo: *hugs*
[08:00] <lilo> tseng: np
[08:00] <LaserJock> sweet
[08:01] <LaserJock> thanks lilo 
[08:01] <Kamion> thanks, that was quick
[08:01] <lilo> my job
[08:01] <lilo> glad to help
[10:26] <kagou> hi
[10:26] <kagou> who or where can i discuss about fridge.ubuntu ?
[10:28] <jdub> kagou: you can mail fridge-devel@lists
[10:28] <jdub> kagou: or see #ubuntu-fridge (if there's anyone still in it)
[10:28] <kagou> jdub: :p ok thanks
[10:30] <Nafallo> jdub: hi! did you get me e-mail about changed feed for the planet? :-)
[10:30] <Nafallo> (months ago *I think*
[10:30] <jdub> Nafallo: hrm, i just went through a bunch - can you send again?
[10:31] <Nafallo> okidoki.
[10:31] <kagou> mattw: around ?
[10:31] <HrdwrBoB> erm
[10:31] <Nafallo> sent :-)
[10:31] <HrdwrBoB> is there any way to bootstrap a 64bit install form a 32bit install easily?
[10:41] <jdub> Nafallo: got it
[10:41] <jdub> thanks
[10:41] <Nafallo> no, thank you! :-)
[10:43] <jdub> NO THANK YOU!
[10:44] <Nafallo> hihi :-)
[10:44] <infinity> HrdwrBoB: If you're running a 64-bit kernel, you should be able to build a 64-bit chroot from 32-bit userland.
[10:44] <infinity> HrdwrBoB: If it's a 32-bit kernel, then you have no way of running 64-bit binaries, so it gets tougher.
[10:44] <HrdwrBoB> infinity: yeah, I'm not, so I just copied a 64 bit kernel on it
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> and It'll be easy from there
[10:58] <Hobbsee> evening all
[11:50] <Kamion> BenC: you don't appear to be subscribed to linux-source-2.6.17 bugmail
[11:51] <Kamion> drat, need one more upload before dapper.1
[11:52] <janimo> Kamion: hi, I did not teste dapper releases so far because they were oversized
[11:52] <janimo> the 08.04 is the first testable one
[11:52] <Kamion> nod
[11:52] <janimo> it's only oversized on the PPC I have to check that too
[11:53] <janimo> besides rosetta updates and other base system changes there were only two extremely small package fixes in xubuntu
[11:53] <janimo> so in theory all should go well
[11:53] <Kamion> yeah, noticed when going through the changes last night
[11:53] <janimo> but will need  testing anyway
[11:53] <Kamion> would be nice to test ubiquity in the context of xubuntu, though
[11:53] <janimo> right
[11:54] <Kamion> powerpc should probably be fixed by removing language packs
[11:54] <Kamion> language packs have grown a bit since dapper
[11:54] <janimo> right, although I am not sure what changed since dapper. did some components get added?
[11:54] <janimo> ah ok.
[11:55] <Kamion> the size increase of the xubuntu desktop CD is about what I'd expect
[11:55] <Kamion> want me to take care of it? I have the figures to hand
[11:55] <janimo> oh, I confused things. the edgy dailies were oversized on all archs, and this is the first daily for dapper.1 
[11:55] <Kamion> aaaaactually
[11:56] <janimo> sure if it's not much trouble, thanks
[11:56] <Kamion> no need to remove bits - that build was hit by a sort of a debian-cd bug
[11:56] <Kamion> which allocated ~5MB too much space for the HFS hybrid metadata on powerpc
[11:57] <Kamion> I'll do full rebuilds of everything soon, which should clear that up. Do you have a tester ready to go now? If so I can do you first.
[11:57] <janimo> I need to check
[11:57] <janimo> as it's 3h download from here I may find someone with better bandwidth
[11:57] <janimo> and inclination to test
[11:58] <Kamion> nod, 2/3h per image for me too
[11:58] <doko> Kamion, pitti: Is there still time for a dapper-security upload for the CD images?
[11:59] <janimo> Kamion: but yes if you rebuild I can start downloading and test today
[11:59] <Kamion> doko: something that goes on the live CD? I'd hoped I was done with the live filesystem builds
[11:59] <Kamion> doko: details (in /msg if need be)
[11:59] <janimo> is the 386 image changing as well since yesterdays or just the PPC?
[11:59] <Kamion> janimo: I need to update gfxboot-theme-ubuntu's translations, so all CD images will be rebuilt
[11:59] <janimo> as I may start the dl now otherwise
[11:59] <janimo> ok
[11:59] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: hi
[11:59] <Kamion> but you can rsync, it won't be a huge change
[11:59] <Kamion> you know the rsync runes?
[11:59] <janimo> right
[12:00] <janimo> I hope  I have themin bash history :)
[12:00] <janimo> unless the URLs changed since dapper
[12:00] <janimo> it should be ok
[12:00] <janimo> btw uploads to edgy are stil ok at this point no?
[12:01] <Kamion> stick dapper/ in before daily or daily-live
[12:01] <Kamion> I needed to be able to build dapper and edgy in parallel so that's changed a bit
[12:01] <Kamion> edgy> sure
[12:02] <Kamion> doko: after the point release, please
[12:02] <Kamion> doko: (sorry, but the cut has to come somewhere, and after I've spent three hours doing livefs builds seems like a plausible place)
[12:03] <doko> Kamion: sure
[12:03] <Kamion> I'll let you know if we'll need a rebuild for other reasons
[12:06] <Gloubiboulga> hi janimo 
[12:06] <Gloubiboulga> hi all :)
[12:06] <ajmitch> hello Gloubiboulga 
[12:06] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: seems we'll have 6.06.1 candidates in a few hours
[12:07] <janimo> I am downloading yesterdays image now
[12:07] <Kamion>  msgid "Start Ubuntu in safe ^graphics mode"
[12:07] <Kamion> +msgstr "Paleisti Ubuntu VESA ^grafiniu reimu"
[12:07] <Kamion> interesting telepathy from the Lithuanian translator there :)
[12:07] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, ok, I have to leave now, but I'll test images tonight
[12:26] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:52] <Kamion> scheisse, I do need a livefs rebuild due to the publisher crash
[12:52] <Kamion> going to make it as fast as possible though - the relevant source is publishing now
[12:54] <StevenK> Ahhh, that'd be why my new upload is not being published.
[12:54] <StevenK> Hopefully my upload didn't kill it.
[12:54] <Kamion> no, not any upload's fault
[12:54] <StevenK> Kay.
[12:55] <Kamion> long story related to the point release, but it's being sorted now
[12:55] <StevenK> Right.
[12:55] <Kamion> what was your upload? I'll check for it
[12:56] <StevenK> libapache-mod-jk 1:1.2.18-1ubuntu1
[12:56] <StevenK> Kamion: Thanks
[12:56] <Kamion> 10:51:12 DEBUG   Added /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu/pool/universe/liba/libapache-mod-jk/libapache-mod-jk_1.2.18-1ubuntu1.diff.gz from library
[12:56] <Kamion> 10:51:12 DEBUG   Added /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu/pool/universe/liba/libapache-mod-jk/libapache-mod-jk_1.2.18-1ubuntu1.dsc from library
[12:56] <Kamion> 10:51:12 DEBUG   Added /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu/pool/universe/liba/libapache-mod-jk/libapache-mod-jk_1.2.18.orig.tar.gz from library
[12:56] <Kamion> yep, being published now
[12:56] <StevenK> Cool, thanks.
[01:07] <pygi> sivang, poke
[02:19] <Riddell> Kamion: I'm uploading a new kubuntu-meta to dapper-updates with a langpack removed from powerpc, could you approve when it arrives
[02:19] <Kamion> Riddell: yes, but hang on
[02:19] <Kamion> Riddell: are you looking at the powerpc live CD?
[02:20] <Riddell> Kamion: yes
[02:20] <Kamion> Riddell: that's affected by a debian-cd bug - please wait until the build I just did arrives on the mirrors and base numbers on that
[02:21] <Riddell> ok
[02:21] <Kamion> Riddell: also I believe that all architectures are slightly too big at the moment
[02:21] <Kamion> I realise there's no .OVERSIZED file
[02:21] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dapper/daily-live/20060805/  ?
[02:21] <Kamion> but recent information suggests that some software gets unhappy if the image is over 700 MB
[02:21] <Riddell> powerpc has .OVERSIZED
[02:21] <Kamion> i.e. 734003200
[02:21] <Kamion> bytes
[02:21] <Kamion> yes, powerpc is clearly over, although less far over than in 20060804
[02:22] <Riddell> but i386 is also over for some software?
[02:22] <Kamion> my figures are 440320 bytes for amd64, 1208320 bytes for i386, 4100096 bytes for powerpc
[02:22] <Kamion> I think so
[02:23] <Riddell> ok, I'll trim some more
[02:31] <doko> Riddell, Kamion: OOo will shrink by 1.6 mb for the next upload to edgy, but maybe too late for knot-2
[02:32] <Kamion> ok, thanks
[02:33] <Kamion> not sure when I'm doing knot-2, may not squeeze it in before I go on holiday
[02:43] <Kamion> sfllaw: it would be good if you could check over DebuggingUbiquity for the usual patterns when splitting off misfiled bugs
[02:52] <Riddell> Kamion: kubuntu-meta uploaded
[02:54] <ogra> Kamion, do you build edubuntu as well, or do i need to ?
[02:54] <Kamion> I'm just sorting out Edubuntu now - powerpc was a bit oversized
[02:54] <Kamion> I took out KDE language packs for pt de fr
[02:55] <ogra> thanks
[02:55] <Kamion> so at least they'll still get the desktop translations
[02:55] <ogra> hmm, i only saw oversizedness on the liveCD
[02:56] <Kamion> yes, I meant the live CD
[02:56] <ogra> and according to your comment on kubuntu ppc live i thought i'd wait for the next build to see if its really to big
[02:57] <ogra> but if you already removed them , then its fine :)
[03:01] <Kamion> I did a rebuild just before fiddling with the seeds, to test that
[03:01] <ogra> ok
[03:01] <Kamion> I knew it wouldn't quite rescue all the space though
[03:04] <ogra> hmm, why doesnt dash know my environment ? $UID is empty :/
[03:06] <Kamion> ogra: edubuntu-meta update will probably fail in edgy; I'm working on fixing it in germinate
[03:06] <Kamion> ogra: let me know if it becomes urgent
[03:07] <ogra> depends how near knot-2 is :)
[03:08] <pygi> bye all
[03:08] <Kamion> should definitely have it sorted before then
[03:08] <Kamion> fixing the corresponding dapper breakage now
[03:08] <ogra> ok
[03:09] <Kamion> and shuffling the publisher byhand again
[03:15] <Kamion> ogra: actually, no, edgy works fine, and the dapper breakage is probably my bad due to a seed merge
[03:19] <ogra> is it the server seed ?
[03:19] <ogra> the edubuntu one is still trivially small and doesnt change usually
[03:21] <Kamion> kind of, it's broken inheritance in STRUCTURE
[03:30] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:35] <Kamion> right, kubuntu-meta accepted, edubuntu seeds fixed, edubuntu-meta uploaded/accepted, publisher running
[03:36] <Kamion> ogra: sorry for the spurious edubuntu-meta upload attempt to edgy and consequent reject
[03:37] <ogra> dont worry :)
[03:59] <pitti> Hobbsee: hi
[03:59] <Hobbsee> heya pitti!
[04:00] <pitti> Hobbsee: did you see the u-d mail about sponsoring?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> pitti: not yet.  i'm on the digest
[04:07] <TheMuso> pitti: I was actually working with crimsun today. I used the script to upload a debdiff, and he found it teedious to have to extract, save, and apply the debdiff by hand. He can probably tell you more about it/
[04:07] <pitti> TheMuso: yes, we can also write a script which does the gpg, apt-get source, patch, debuild -S -k automatically
[04:08] <TheMuso> Right.
[04:21] <janimo> pitti, congrats for leading the security charts :)
[04:27] <pitti> hey janimo, thanks :)
[05:15] <Kamion> kubuntu/edubuntu livefses building
[05:15] <Kamion> xubuntu will follow too
[05:21] <mdz> Kamion: are these candidates for testing?
[05:37] <Kamion> mdz: yes
[05:38] <Kamion> Ubuntu alternate and desktop built, ready for testing
[05:40] <mdz> ok
[05:40] <mdz> Kamion: 20060805?
[05:42] <Kamion> yes
[05:42] <Kamion> (for both)
[05:43] <Kamion> derivatives may have different build numbers
[05:43] <Kamion> (for anyone else watching)
[05:43] <Kamion> kubuntu alternate and desktop building
[05:43] <mdz> Kamion: do you have a list of what has changed and so most needs testing?
[05:44] <Kamion> mdz: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperPointOneAnnouncement has most of the changes
[05:44] <mdz> which installer cases, which apps
[05:44] <Kamion> although in the case of the desktop it's kind of "well, most of GNOME changed"
[05:45] <mdz> Kamion: s/including a large memory leak/including a fix for.../ I think ;-)
[05:45] <Kamion> I caught most of the significant installer changes there, though
[05:45] <Kamion> hah, yes
[05:45] <Kamion> (fixed)
[05:46] <Kamion> mdz: is the style of that announcement ok? I chose the changelog style because I thought it would be useful to reassure certifiers about what we're messing with
[05:46] <Kamion> but the detailed list of changes could be split off if you want
[05:46] <mdz> I think we can remove the paragraph which says that 6.06.1 is the first long-term release
[05:46] <mdz> the first sentence anyway
[05:47] <mdz> or change it to refer back to 6.06 LTS
[05:47] <Kamion> makes sense
[05:47] <Lure> any reason that we have both ruby and ruby1.8 packages in edgy (both 1.8.x)?
[05:47] <Treenaks> (universe totem-{xine,gstreamer}-firefox-plugin broke because of the totem upgrade)
[05:48] <Kamion> mdz: changed
[05:48] <Kamion> Lure: apt-cache show ruby
[05:48] <mdz> I'll tweak a bit while I wait for downloads
[05:48] <mdz> oh, you still have it locked
[05:48] <Kamion> it's saving slothfully
[05:49] <Kamion> should be unlocked now
[05:51] <Lure> Kamion: thanks (metapackage or so...)
[05:52] <mdz> Kamion: do you have a quick statistic for the total number of package updates applied on the CD?
[05:52] <mdz> source packages that is
[05:55] <Kamion> not trivially - I can come up with one though
[05:58] <mdz> gar, desktop is still vaguely unstable
[06:01] <mdz> I think we can safely say "over 200"
[06:02] <Kamion> now let's remember how join(1) works
[06:02] <Kamion> unstable?
[06:03] <Kamion> mdz: in terms of binaries, 516 on dapper-alternate-i386.iso are updated
[06:04] <Kamion> sources, give me a minute
[06:05] <mdz> Kamion: I'm comfortable with "over 200", honestly
[06:05] <mdz> there have been more than that many uploads to dapper-changes since release
[06:05] <Kamion> mdz: 21 sources from -security, 330 sources from -updates
[06:06] <Kamion> (I was already mostly done)
[06:06] <mdz> ok, over 300 then
[06:06] <mdz> that includes langpacks I assume?
[06:06] <mdz> those weren't on -changes
[06:06] <Kamion> everything, that's comparing grep-dctrl -nsFilename with pool/*/*/*/*.*deb basically
[06:07] <Kamion> 62 of those 330 are language-(pack|support)
[06:07] <Kamion> oh, yeah, kubuntu alternate and desktop ready for testing :)
[06:08] <Kamion> edubuntu livefs still building, slow thing
[06:08] <Kamion> mdz: unstable desktop -> dapper or edgy?
[06:10] <mdz> Kamion: edgy
[06:11] <Kamion> oh, good. well, not good, but YKWIM
[06:11] <mdz> bug #54726
[06:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54726 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Random freezes in X" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54726
[06:11] <janimo> Kamion: should  the two xubuntu changes be mentioned as well in that announcement?
[06:11] <Kamion> janimo: yes, I'll add them
[06:11] <janimo> ok, thanks
[06:11] <Kamion> janimo: I was doing the changelist before I decided it was reasonable to just have one announcement
[06:12] <mdz> I'd need to swap in an identical video card to be sure about whether it's a hardware issue
[06:12] <mdz> rsync is taking ages, only getting ~40kb/sec
[06:15] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: I tested the image in qemu burning real CD now. Did it work for you?
[06:15] <mdz> Kamion: ETA 3-4 hours here, you doing any better?
[06:15] <Kamion> janimo: reload, see if that makes sense?
[06:16] <Kamion> mdz: desktop i386 ETA 1:24 allegedly, but amd64 came down a lot faster than that
[06:16] <Kamion> of course I'm *cough* rsyncing off lithium from pure habit
[06:16] <Kamion> really must stop doing that
[06:16] <bddebian> *cough* speaking of syncs *cough* ;-P
[06:16] <Kamion> but every time I'm reminded of it it's when other people's rsyncs are slow, so ...
[06:16] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[06:17] <Gloubiboulga> janimo: I'm using the live cd
[06:17] <Gloubiboulga> and installing
[06:17] <bddebian> Kamion: No worries, I'm just not sure what's left at this point :-)
[06:17] <janimo> Kamion: yes, looks good.
[06:17] <Kamion> janimo: thanks
[06:18] <Kamion> I'll reorder that list at some point to be better-categorised rather than in rough date order of uploads
[06:21] <mdz> bddebian: if you're concerned about whether it'll break the live CD, I believe that's built using the dapper version of squashfs-tools, and if you want to warn the person responsible for that, that's infinity
[06:21] <Lure> if a package suggests/recomends (but not depends) on something from multiverse, can it still be in universe?
[06:21] <mdz> bddebian: (PS: your post is <24 hours old and it's Saturday :-P)
[06:21] <mdz> Lure: suggests, yes, recommends, not really
[06:21] <Kamion> Lure: suggests yes, for recommends it'd probably be a judgement call
[06:21] <Kamion> snap
[06:21] <Kamion> (ish)
[06:21] <Kamion> recommends should be increasingly like depends
[06:22] <Lure> Kamion: I suspect due to aptitiude behaviour to install as depends?
[06:22] <Lure> Kamion: any special procedure to move something from multiverse -> universe (when Depends are fixed)?
[06:23] <Kamion> you have the causality the wrong way round, but yes
[06:23] <Kamion> aptitude behaves that way because we want to be able to use recommends more effectively
[06:23] <Kamion> Lure: file bug on package, subscribe (*don't assign*) ubuntu-archive team
[06:24] <Lure> Kamion: ok, will get fixed package uploaded first by MOTU and then I will file request. Thanks!
[06:26] <bddebian> mdz: Well as usual I started on IRC first but I see your point, sorry
[06:27] <mdz> it's edgy, upload first and ask questions later
[06:27] <bddebian> Well I don't want to get in "trouble" again :-)
[06:27] <mdz> but I wonder what squashfs is doing in universe
[06:30] <mdz> Kamion: do you still hope to get some bug references from the GNOME team for the announcement?
[06:30] <mdz> I expect we'd have to call them up on Saturday
[06:32] <Kamion> mdz: I think I might well just go through the uploads again; won't take that long
[06:32] <Kamion> it was late last night and I was just doing a first pass
[06:43] <Kamion> ogra: edubuntu alternate and desktop ready for testing
[06:45] <janimo> Kamion: is running the 386 iso on amd64 considered a valid use case? Desktop works but ubiquity crashes
[06:45] <Kamion> yes, that's valid
[06:45] <Kamion> can I have a bug with the crash dump and the logs please?
[06:45] <janimo> I'll file a report then
[06:46] <janimo>  /var/log/installer/syslog right?
[06:46] <Kamion> all those listed in the crash dialog
[06:47] <Kamion> I'm assuming it crashed in such a way as to pop up a dialog with a traceback
[06:47] <janimo> right
[06:47] <Kamion> I'll probably only fix it now for the point release if it's a regression from dapper
[06:48] <janimo> sure, it probably is not
[06:48] <janimo> havent tried dapper on this box yet
[06:48] <Kamion> it should be easy enough for me to tell
[06:49] <janimo> going offline for a while since I only have one eth connection right now
[07:02] <Kamion> ok, who made vim's completion facilities TRULY SCARY
[07:11] <Kamion> janimo: ah, regression :(
[07:12] <Kamion> janimo: so that we don't have to wait for a whole new build cycle, could you apply this to /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ubiquity/frontend/gtkui.py and try again?
[07:12] <Kamion> -                if fstype is None:
[07:12] <Kamion> janimo: on line 1034
[07:12] <Kamion> +                if fstype is None and device in validate_filesystems:
[07:12] <Kamion> Gloubiboulga: you too
[07:12] <Gloubiboulga> Kamion: ok
[07:13] <Kamion> thanks
[07:17] <Gloubiboulga> it didn't crash with the change
[07:18] <Kamion> does it complete successfully?
[07:18] <Gloubiboulga> It's installing the system now
[07:18] <Kamion> real-world testing > constructed test cases, yet again
[07:19] <Kamion> backporting the change right now
[07:19] <Kamion> janimo: did you get my earlier comments?
[07:19] <janimo> only in LP not on IRC
[07:19] <Kamion> 18:12 < Kamion> -                if fstype is None:
[07:19] <Kamion> 18:12 < Kamion> +                if fstype is None and device in validate_filesystems:
[07:19] <Kamion> could you apply that on line 1034 of /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ubiquity/frontend/gtkui.py ?
[07:19] <Kamion> and try again
[07:19] <janimo> ok
[07:19] <Kamion> thanks
[07:20] <Kamion> just don't want to have to wait for a whole new build cycle to see if there are any further bugs you encounter
[07:20] <janimo> sure
[07:21] <Kamion> make sure to do the same things in the partitioner as far as you can
[07:23] <janimo> ok got further and is not installing
[07:23] <janimo> now
[07:23] <janimo> sorry :)
[07:24] <janimo> s/not/now/
[07:24] <Kamion> phew
[07:24] <janimo> so hopefully I don;t need to dl and burn a new image either
[07:25] <Kamion> xubuntu daily-live hadn't actually built yet - you were working off an older one
[07:25] <Kamion> I mean in my most recent round of builds
[07:25] <janimo> would be nice (but possibly hard) to have the partitioning steps automatable to run all kinds of random tests on it
[07:26] <Kamion> but if your tests here work, I'm happy to take that as sufficient for the point release provided tests on the final images for other flavours are good
[07:26] <Kamion> there are few enough changees
[07:26] <Kamion> changes
[07:26] <janimo> this was not xubuntu specific right?
[07:26] <Kamion> no
[07:26] <janimo> but the QT interface was not affected?
[07:26] <Kamion> see my explanation in the bug - that's the exact set of circumstances
[07:26] <Kamion> it was
[07:27] <Kamion> I'm fixing both, the code's the same
[07:27] <Kamion> (bit of duplication ...)
[07:27] <janimo> ok, haven;t read all of LP comments yet
[07:27] <Kamion> uploading to dapper-updates now
[07:35] <Kamion> mdz: I'm out tonight - if you're around, could you rebuild all four livefses? otherwise don't worry, I'll do them when I get back and it'll be time enough
[07:36] <Kamion> once ubiquity 1.0.17 binaries arrive
[07:36] <Kamion> alternate install CDs won't need to change, nor will the server CDs that I'm building now, so you can safely continue testing those
[07:37] <Gloubiboulga> Kamion: installation finished here (succesfully it seems)
[07:37] <Kamion> great, thanks
[07:38] <Gloubiboulga> have a nice evening :)
[07:50] <Nafallo> anyone know if Keybuk is on vacation, and in that case for how long?
[08:00] <mdz> Kamion: can do
[08:07] <Nafallo> hmm
[08:08] <Nafallo> cdbs should update the icon cache automatically, right?
[08:09] <Nafallo> if the package has the gnome class, which network-manager doesn't...
[08:14] <Kamion> mdz: thanks
[08:30] <Kamion> ok, I'm off to iwj's for the evening; please do (get a Canonical employee to) phone me on my mobile if there's a point-release-related emergency - I'll obviously be able to get to a computer easily
[08:31] <Nafallo> Kamion: have fun :-)
[08:32] <Nafallo> Kamion: you deserve it :-D
[08:59] <Nafallo> anyone willing to sponsor a trivial change to network-manager? :-)
[08:59] <Nafallo> fixes malone #55334
[08:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55334 in network-manager "nm-applet doesn't start" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55334
[10:32] <bluefoxicy> you know
[10:32] <bluefoxicy> suddenly I don't have DMA on my drive, and I can't turn it on.
[10:40] <Kaleo> Hello bluefoxicy 
[10:41] <Kaleo> bugs should be reported on Malone https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[10:41] <Kaleo> and #ubuntu-bugs can help as well
[11:04] <bluefoxicy> mdz:  does anyone use Ctrl+Alt+Backspace?
[11:04] <bluefoxicy> er.  Why the heck did I point that at mdz
[11:14] <Nafallo> pitti: ping