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[04:14] Hobbsee, nah, not yet :) [04:14] but I have a full weekend in front of me! [04:15] rodarvus: hehehe.... [04:15] rodarvus: should i get my long pointy stick out? [04:15] rodarvus: and polish it up, all ready to use on the people who break things? === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.107.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:18] Hobbsee: it's more fun to bludgeon people repeatedly with a blunt stick than it is to drive a pointy stick into them [04:18] bluefoxicy: well....if that's your preference, yes [04:18] they don't stop moving as fast [04:19] (in fact people are much more useful when they're still breathing and not full of holes) [04:20] hah === fsmw [n=Fernando@166-115-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:23] rodarvus: I can build qemu if you like [04:23] you have an updated source package available? [04:23] yup [04:23] just finished building it on i386 [04:23] didn't tested it yet, though :D [04:24] it builds, ship it :) [04:24] yeah! [04:24] let me just dogfood it a little while before uploading [04:24] ok [04:24] still want me to do a test amd64 build before you subject the archives to it? === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:27] amazing, it works. [04:27] ajmitch, I'm uploading it now, will hand you the url in a second [04:27] ajmitch, yes, please do [04:28] ok [04:28] (uploading to people.ubuntu.com, I mean :) ) [04:29] ajmitch, http://people.ubuntu.com/~rodarvus/packages/qemu/ [04:29] mdz: ping [04:30] yep, got it [04:30] thanks! [04:32] jdub: what did you need to convince me of for beaglefs? [04:32] ajmitch: wasn't sure if you wanted to maintain it long term [04:32] fine by me [04:32] sweet, thanks [04:40] mdz, doko: ping (rrdtool) === gort [n=jgbiggs@cpe-24-175-10-187.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] rodarvus: qemu built fine [04:46] ajmitch, nice, I'll upload it - thanks a lot for the test-build! [04:54] qemu uploaded [04:54] I call it a day [04:54] good night all === Fujitsu kicks the silly GL{,U} dependency changes. [04:55] ? [04:55] anyhow [04:55] trackballs in Debian has `xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev, libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev', while Ubuntu has `libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev' [04:55] Which is correct? [04:56] I haven't seen this libglu1-xorg-dev dependency before... [04:56] Debian is. [04:56] we now have a libglu1-xorg-dev that depends on libglu1-mesa-dev [04:57] OK, thanks. [04:57] Fujitsu: you're doing trackballs? [04:58] Hobbsee, yes, like I did a couple of weeks ago. [04:58] Fujitsu: cool, okay [04:58] tseng: ping === mournahan [n=john@CPE00501844e4cd-CM000f212f9ee6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:05] need help, dapper hard freezes 2-3 times daily and cant find any solution [05:06] mournahan: --> #ubuntu [05:06] mournahan: read the /topic === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-206-255-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:07] no help there, thought try here [05:07] sorry === mournahan [n=john@CPE00501844e4cd-CM000f212f9ee6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@218.17.65.175] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@218.17.65.175] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rgould [n=rgould@S010600014a5e5049.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@ip68-228-136-178.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daq4th [n=darkness@netstation-004.cafe.zSeries.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | yes X in edgy is a mess atm === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-202-226.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3_ [n=marc@209.217.74.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@218.17.65.175] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrando1 [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:03] jdub: hello === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-233-36.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Flowking [n=Flowking@h215n2fls33o823.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] And here i thought everyone was useless for a while... until someone cool or i step aside sessie james will be ontop (Naah:) [07:41] Cheers all .. each and everyone of you could potentially be just as cool as i am!!! [07:41] I love you all [07:43] Ill be coding for you even though crap stinks.. WE DO NOT CARE [07:43] :=) [07:43] 10 meters of snow... wont hinder me [07:43] Ill be the breast coder :=) [07:44] PCB.. find any coder better atm ?.. we need a trackrecord [07:44] linus.. yeah.. but he is just GOOD [07:45] :) [07:45] So "Machine head- A thousand lies" ? [07:45] Awesome [07:46] Its all about rebooting the brain until the next time CRAZY BRAIN!!! [07:46] :) === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.166.222] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:48] I could be at a thing called "Hedesunda sommar party" or something.... [07:48] Sexxi [07:48] :) [07:52] Sorry Awesome hogs.... want me to lead.. no thats illegal nowdays too "Infringement or some shit!" [07:52] Flowking: you're trolling and flooding; please leave. [07:52] So, No i cant even teach you how to COMPUTE [07:52] neuralis: good luck with that. [07:52] ssh [07:53] neuralis: you see how HHHG will affect the gilted aswell ? [07:54] neuralis: "The rage to Overcome" "Machine Head" [07:54] Keep an open mind and youll be Be [07:55] neuralis: download some of that man.. really good to be coding to [07:56] Relaxing [07:57] neuralis: is it sexxi or do you have a slow pipe (Zap Brannagan:) [07:58] -- Ignoring ALL from Flowking/* === lilo [i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:58] Alternatively youve been swallowed by a small dog [07:58] lilo: ah thank goodness [07:58] orientation? [07:58] MORON [07:58] tseng: flowking? [07:58] You dont rock [07:58] lilo: yes. === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b %Flowking!*@*] by lilo [07:58] lilo: i just paged you. [07:59] lilo: thanks. [07:59] neuralis: *nod* got it [07:59] lilo: *hugs* === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-b %flowking!*@*] by lilo [08:00] tseng: np [08:00] sweet [08:01] thanks lilo [08:01] thanks, that was quick [08:01] my job [08:01] glad to help === poningru hugs \sh_away hope you are feeling ok === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-211-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@218.17.65.175] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-211-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-109-73.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C1807C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@99.248-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@218.17.65.175] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan_ [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kirds [n=chatzill@ip-93-4.dsl.newel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrando1 [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=kagou@88-136-2-243.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] hi [10:26] who or where can i discuss about fridge.ubuntu ? [10:28] kagou: you can mail fridge-devel@lists [10:28] kagou: or see #ubuntu-fridge (if there's anyone still in it) [10:28] jdub: :p ok thanks [10:30] jdub: hi! did you get me e-mail about changed feed for the planet? :-) [10:30] (months ago *I think* [10:30] Nafallo: hrm, i just went through a bunch - can you send again? === jdub doesn't have access to update it now, but will hopefully be getting that back soon enough [10:31] okidoki. [10:31] mattw: around ? [10:31] erm [10:31] sent :-) [10:31] is there any way to bootstrap a 64bit install form a 32bit install easily? [10:41] Nafallo: got it [10:41] thanks [10:41] no, thank you! :-) [10:43] NO THANK YOU! === jdub quickly escapes to the shops! [10:44] hihi :-) [10:44] HrdwrBoB: If you're running a 64-bit kernel, you should be able to build a 64-bit chroot from 32-bit userland. [10:44] HrdwrBoB: If it's a 32-bit kernel, then you have no way of running 64-bit binaries, so it gets tougher. [10:44] infinity: yeah, I'm not, so I just copied a 64 bit kernel on it [10:45] and It'll be easy from there === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-211-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-69-236-75-39.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] evening all === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-101-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iceman [n=iceman@54.231-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk [n=jochem@jkossen.nl] has left #Ubuntu-devel [] [11:50] BenC: you don't appear to be subscribed to linux-source-2.6.17 bugmail [11:51] drat, need one more upload before dapper.1 === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] Kamion: hi, I did not teste dapper releases so far because they were oversized [11:52] the 08.04 is the first testable one [11:52] nod [11:52] it's only oversized on the PPC I have to check that too [11:53] besides rosetta updates and other base system changes there were only two extremely small package fixes in xubuntu [11:53] so in theory all should go well [11:53] yeah, noticed when going through the changes last night [11:53] but will need testing anyway [11:53] would be nice to test ubiquity in the context of xubuntu, though [11:53] right [11:54] powerpc should probably be fixed by removing language packs [11:54] language packs have grown a bit since dapper [11:54] right, although I am not sure what changed since dapper. did some components get added? [11:54] ah ok. [11:55] the size increase of the xubuntu desktop CD is about what I'd expect [11:55] want me to take care of it? I have the figures to hand [11:55] oh, I confused things. the edgy dailies were oversized on all archs, and this is the first daily for dapper.1 [11:55] aaaaactually [11:56] sure if it's not much trouble, thanks [11:56] no need to remove bits - that build was hit by a sort of a debian-cd bug [11:56] which allocated ~5MB too much space for the HFS hybrid metadata on powerpc [11:57] I'll do full rebuilds of everything soon, which should clear that up. Do you have a tester ready to go now? If so I can do you first. [11:57] I need to check === Zdra [n=zdra@di-pc67.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] as it's 3h download from here I may find someone with better bandwidth [11:57] and inclination to test [11:58] nod, 2/3h per image for me too [11:58] Kamion, pitti: Is there still time for a dapper-security upload for the CD images? [11:59] Kamion: but yes if you rebuild I can start downloading and test today [11:59] doko: something that goes on the live CD? I'd hoped I was done with the live filesystem builds === Loevborg [n=loevborg@d9-3.dip.axsp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] doko: details (in /msg if need be) [11:59] is the 386 image changing as well since yesterdays or just the PPC? === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] janimo: I need to update gfxboot-theme-ubuntu's translations, so all CD images will be rebuilt [11:59] as I may start the dl now otherwise [11:59] ok [11:59] Gloubiboulga: hi [11:59] but you can rsync, it won't be a huge change [11:59] you know the rsync runes? [11:59] right [12:00] I hope I have themin bash history :) [12:00] unless the URLs changed since dapper [12:00] it should be ok [12:00] btw uploads to edgy are stil ok at this point no? [12:01] stick dapper/ in before daily or daily-live [12:01] I needed to be able to build dapper and edgy in parallel so that's changed a bit [12:01] edgy> sure [12:02] doko: after the point release, please [12:02] doko: (sorry, but the cut has to come somewhere, and after I've spent three hours doing livefs builds seems like a plausible place) [12:03] Kamion: sure [12:03] I'll let you know if we'll need a rebuild for other reasons [12:06] hi janimo [12:06] hi all :) [12:06] hello Gloubiboulga [12:06] Gloubiboulga: seems we'll have 6.06.1 candidates in a few hours [12:07] I am downloading yesterdays image now [12:07] msgid "Start Ubuntu in safe ^graphics mode" [12:07] +msgstr "Paleisti Ubuntu VESA ^grafiniu reimu" [12:07] interesting telepathy from the Lithuanian translator there :) [12:07] janimo, ok, I have to leave now, but I'll test images tonight === mc44 [n=rddpr@ip-81-170-10-121.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] hehe === kagou [n=kagou@84.7.27.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-22-78.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] scheisse, I do need a livefs rebuild due to the publisher crash [12:52] going to make it as fast as possible though - the relevant source is publishing now [12:54] Ahhh, that'd be why my new upload is not being published. [12:54] Hopefully my upload didn't kill it. [12:54] no, not any upload's fault [12:54] Kay. [12:55] long story related to the point release, but it's being sorted now [12:55] Right. [12:55] what was your upload? I'll check for it [12:56] libapache-mod-jk 1:1.2.18-1ubuntu1 [12:56] Kamion: Thanks [12:56] 10:51:12 DEBUG Added /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu/pool/universe/liba/libapache-mod-jk/libapache-mod-jk_1.2.18-1ubuntu1.diff.gz from library [12:56] 10:51:12 DEBUG Added /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu/pool/universe/liba/libapache-mod-jk/libapache-mod-jk_1.2.18-1ubuntu1.dsc from library [12:56] 10:51:12 DEBUG Added /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu/pool/universe/liba/libapache-mod-jk/libapache-mod-jk_1.2.18.orig.tar.gz from library [12:56] yep, being published now [12:56] Cool, thanks. === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-199-216.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.166.222] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] sivang, poke === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iceman [n=iceman@54.231-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-206-255-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.223.158] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-205-164.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-69-236-75-39.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] Kamion: I'm uploading a new kubuntu-meta to dapper-updates with a langpack removed from powerpc, could you approve when it arrives === lucasvo [n=lucasvo@wservices.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] Riddell: yes, but hang on [02:19] Riddell: are you looking at the powerpc live CD? [02:20] Kamion: yes [02:20] Riddell: that's affected by a debian-cd bug - please wait until the build I just did arrives on the mirrors and base numbers on that [02:21] ok [02:21] Riddell: also I believe that all architectures are slightly too big at the moment [02:21] I realise there's no .OVERSIZED file [02:21] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dapper/daily-live/20060805/ ? [02:21] but recent information suggests that some software gets unhappy if the image is over 700 MB [02:21] powerpc has .OVERSIZED [02:21] i.e. 734003200 [02:21] bytes [02:21] yes, powerpc is clearly over, although less far over than in 20060804 [02:22] but i386 is also over for some software? [02:22] my figures are 440320 bytes for amd64, 1208320 bytes for i386, 4100096 bytes for powerpc [02:22] I think so [02:23] ok, I'll trim some more [02:31] Riddell, Kamion: OOo will shrink by 1.6 mb for the next upload to edgy, but maybe too late for knot-2 [02:32] ok, thanks [02:33] not sure when I'm doing knot-2, may not squeeze it in before I go on holiday === lucasvo [n=lucasvo@wservices.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.223.158] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] sfllaw: it would be good if you could check over DebuggingUbiquity for the usual patterns when splitting off misfiled bugs === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-22-78.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] Kamion: kubuntu-meta uploaded [02:54] Kamion, do you build edubuntu as well, or do i need to ? [02:54] I'm just sorting out Edubuntu now - powerpc was a bit oversized [02:54] I took out KDE language packs for pt de fr [02:55] thanks [02:55] so at least they'll still get the desktop translations [02:55] hmm, i only saw oversizedness on the liveCD [02:56] yes, I meant the live CD [02:56] and according to your comment on kubuntu ppc live i thought i'd wait for the next build to see if its really to big [02:57] but if you already removed them , then its fine :) [03:01] I did a rebuild just before fiddling with the seeds, to test that [03:01] ok [03:01] I knew it wouldn't quite rescue all the space though === shackan [n=shackan@host106-78.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] hmm, why doesnt dash know my environment ? $UID is empty :/ [03:06] ogra: edubuntu-meta update will probably fail in edgy; I'm working on fixing it in germinate [03:06] ogra: let me know if it becomes urgent === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.223.158] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:07] depends how near knot-2 is :) [03:08] bye all [03:08] should definitely have it sorted before then [03:08] fixing the corresponding dapper breakage now === mc44 [n=rddpr@ip-81-170-10-121.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] ok [03:09] and shuffling the publisher byhand again [03:15] ogra: actually, no, edgy works fine, and the dapper breakage is probably my bad due to a seed merge [03:19] is it the server seed ? [03:19] the edubuntu one is still trivially small and doesnt change usually [03:21] kind of, it's broken inheritance in STRUCTURE === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:30] Howdy [03:35] right, kubuntu-meta accepted, edubuntu seeds fixed, edubuntu-meta uploaded/accepted, publisher running [03:36] ogra: sorry for the spurious edubuntu-meta upload attempt to edgy and consequent reject [03:37] dont worry :) === mc44 [n=rddpr@ip-81-170-10-121.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [i=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host119-146.pool876.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:59] Hobbsee: hi [03:59] heya pitti! [04:00] Hobbsee: did you see the u-d mail about sponsoring? [04:00] pitti: not yet. i'm on the digest [04:07] pitti: I was actually working with crimsun today. I used the script to upload a debdiff, and he found it teedious to have to extract, save, and apply the debdiff by hand. He can probably tell you more about it/ [04:07] TheMuso: yes, we can also write a script which does the gpg, apt-get source, patch, debuild -S -k automatically [04:08] Right. === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9609.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@85.25.111.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Uda [n=laurent@mol92-2-89-83-67-41.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:21] pitti, congrats for leading the security charts :) [04:27] hey janimo, thanks :) === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fsmw [n=Fernando@164-30-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@218.17.65.175] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@95.217-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heimweh [n=Elvis@201008144146.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:15] kubuntu/edubuntu livefses building [05:15] xubuntu will follow too === cr3_ [n=marc@209.217.74.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] Kamion: are these candidates for testing? === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@123.49.236.170] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host119-146.pool876.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-227-247.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:37] mdz: yes [05:38] Ubuntu alternate and desktop built, ready for testing === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:40] ok === pusakat [n=xenos@203.167.88.72] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:40] Kamion: 20060805? [05:42] yes [05:42] (for both) [05:43] derivatives may have different build numbers [05:43] (for anyone else watching) [05:43] kubuntu alternate and desktop building [05:43] Kamion: do you have a list of what has changed and so most needs testing? [05:44] mdz: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperPointOneAnnouncement has most of the changes [05:44] which installer cases, which apps [05:44] although in the case of the desktop it's kind of "well, most of GNOME changed" [05:45] Kamion: s/including a large memory leak/including a fix for.../ I think ;-) [05:45] I caught most of the significant installer changes there, though [05:45] hah, yes [05:45] (fixed) [05:46] mdz: is the style of that announcement ok? I chose the changelog style because I thought it would be useful to reassure certifiers about what we're messing with [05:46] but the detailed list of changes could be split off if you want [05:46] I think we can remove the paragraph which says that 6.06.1 is the first long-term release [05:46] the first sentence anyway [05:47] or change it to refer back to 6.06 LTS [05:47] makes sense [05:47] any reason that we have both ruby and ruby1.8 packages in edgy (both 1.8.x)? [05:47] (universe totem-{xine,gstreamer}-firefox-plugin broke because of the totem upgrade) [05:48] mdz: changed [05:48] Lure: apt-cache show ruby [05:48] I'll tweak a bit while I wait for downloads [05:48] oh, you still have it locked [05:48] it's saving slothfully === KhanReaper [n=matttp@user-0c93fql.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-211-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:49] should be unlocked now [05:51] Kamion: thanks (metapackage or so...) [05:52] Kamion: do you have a quick statistic for the total number of package updates applied on the CD? [05:52] source packages that is [05:55] not trivially - I can come up with one though === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:58] gar, desktop is still vaguely unstable [06:01] I think we can safely say "over 200" [06:02] now let's remember how join(1) works [06:02] unstable? [06:03] mdz: in terms of binaries, 516 on dapper-alternate-i386.iso are updated [06:04] sources, give me a minute [06:05] Kamion: I'm comfortable with "over 200", honestly [06:05] there have been more than that many uploads to dapper-changes since release [06:05] mdz: 21 sources from -security, 330 sources from -updates [06:06] (I was already mostly done) [06:06] ok, over 300 then [06:06] that includes langpacks I assume? [06:06] those weren't on -changes [06:06] everything, that's comparing grep-dctrl -nsFilename with pool/*/*/*/*.*deb basically [06:07] 62 of those 330 are language-(pack|support) === Riddell notices 20060805.1 and downloads [06:07] oh, yeah, kubuntu alternate and desktop ready for testing :) [06:08] edubuntu livefs still building, slow thing [06:08] mdz: unstable desktop -> dapper or edgy? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@218.17.65.175] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:10] Kamion: edgy [06:11] oh, good. well, not good, but YKWIM [06:11] bug #54726 [06:11] Malone bug 54726 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Random freezes in X" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54726 [06:11] Kamion: should the two xubuntu changes be mentioned as well in that announcement? [06:11] janimo: yes, I'll add them [06:11] ok, thanks [06:11] janimo: I was doing the changelist before I decided it was reasonable to just have one announcement [06:12] I'd need to swap in an identical video card to be sure about whether it's a hardware issue [06:12] rsync is taking ages, only getting ~40kb/sec === Gloubiboulga [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:15] Gloubiboulga: I tested the image in qemu burning real CD now. Did it work for you? === geser [n=michael@85.25.111.238] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:15] Kamion: ETA 3-4 hours here, you doing any better? [06:15] janimo: reload, see if that makes sense? === jamesh [n=james@81.16.227.227] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:16] mdz: desktop i386 ETA 1:24 allegedly, but amd64 came down a lot faster than that [06:16] of course I'm *cough* rsyncing off lithium from pure habit [06:16] really must stop doing that [06:16] *cough* speaking of syncs *cough* ;-P [06:16] but every time I'm reminded of it it's when other people's rsyncs are slow, so ... [06:16] Heya Gloubiboulga [06:17] janimo: I'm using the live cd [06:17] and installing === Kamion will only be doing syncs today if he runs out of other things to do [06:17] Kamion: No worries, I'm just not sure what's left at this point :-) [06:17] Kamion: yes, looks good. [06:17] janimo: thanks === bddebian notices still no responses about squashfs [06:18] I'll reorder that list at some point to be better-categorised rather than in rough date order of uploads [06:21] bddebian: if you're concerned about whether it'll break the live CD, I believe that's built using the dapper version of squashfs-tools, and if you want to warn the person responsible for that, that's infinity [06:21] if a package suggests/recomends (but not depends) on something from multiverse, can it still be in universe? [06:21] bddebian: (PS: your post is <24 hours old and it's Saturday :-P) [06:21] Lure: suggests, yes, recommends, not really [06:21] Lure: suggests yes, for recommends it'd probably be a judgement call [06:21] snap [06:21] (ish) [06:21] recommends should be increasingly like depends [06:22] Kamion: I suspect due to aptitiude behaviour to install as depends? [06:22] Kamion: any special procedure to move something from multiverse -> universe (when Depends are fixed)? [06:23] you have the causality the wrong way round, but yes [06:23] aptitude behaves that way because we want to be able to use recommends more effectively [06:23] Lure: file bug on package, subscribe (*don't assign*) ubuntu-archive team [06:24] Kamion: ok, will get fixed package uploaded first by MOTU and then I will file request. Thanks! [06:26] mdz: Well as usual I started on IRC first but I see your point, sorry === bddebian has no patience [06:27] it's edgy, upload first and ask questions later [06:27] Well I don't want to get in "trouble" again :-) [06:27] but I wonder what squashfs is doing in universe === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:30] Kamion: do you still hope to get some bug references from the GNOME team for the announcement? [06:30] I expect we'd have to call them up on Saturday === KhanReaper [n=matttp@user-0c93fql.cable.mindspring.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:32] mdz: I think I might well just go through the uploads again; won't take that long [06:32] it was late last night and I was just doing a first pass [06:43] ogra: edubuntu alternate and desktop ready for testing [06:45] Kamion: is running the 386 iso on amd64 considered a valid use case? Desktop works but ubiquity crashes [06:45] yes, that's valid [06:45] can I have a bug with the crash dump and the logs please? [06:45] I'll file a report then [06:46] /var/log/installer/syslog right? [06:46] all those listed in the crash dialog [06:47] I'm assuming it crashed in such a way as to pop up a dialog with a traceback [06:47] right [06:47] I'll probably only fix it now for the point release if it's a regression from dapper [06:48] sure, it probably is not [06:48] havent tried dapper on this box yet [06:48] it should be easy enough for me to tell [06:49] going offline for a while since I only have one eth connection right now === Gloubiboulga [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:02] ok, who made vim's completion facilities TRULY SCARY === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=kagou@84.7.27.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:11] janimo: ah, regression :( [07:12] janimo: so that we don't have to wait for a whole new build cycle, could you apply this to /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ubiquity/frontend/gtkui.py and try again? [07:12] - if fstype is None: [07:12] janimo: on line 1034 [07:12] + if fstype is None and device in validate_filesystems: [07:12] Gloubiboulga: you too [07:12] Kamion: ok [07:13] thanks [07:17] it didn't crash with the change [07:18] does it complete successfully? [07:18] It's installing the system now [07:18] real-world testing > constructed test cases, yet again === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:19] backporting the change right now [07:19] janimo: did you get my earlier comments? [07:19] only in LP not on IRC [07:19] 18:12 < Kamion> - if fstype is None: [07:19] 18:12 < Kamion> + if fstype is None and device in validate_filesystems: [07:19] could you apply that on line 1034 of /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ubiquity/frontend/gtkui.py ? [07:19] and try again [07:19] ok [07:19] thanks [07:20] just don't want to have to wait for a whole new build cycle to see if there are any further bugs you encounter [07:20] sure [07:21] make sure to do the same things in the partitioner as far as you can [07:23] ok got further and is not installing [07:23] now [07:23] sorry :) [07:24] s/not/now/ [07:24] phew === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:24] so hopefully I don;t need to dl and burn a new image either [07:25] xubuntu daily-live hadn't actually built yet - you were working off an older one [07:25] I mean in my most recent round of builds [07:25] would be nice (but possibly hard) to have the partitioning steps automatable to run all kinds of random tests on it [07:26] but if your tests here work, I'm happy to take that as sufficient for the point release provided tests on the final images for other flavours are good [07:26] there are few enough changees [07:26] changes [07:26] this was not xubuntu specific right? [07:26] no [07:26] but the QT interface was not affected? [07:26] see my explanation in the bug - that's the exact set of circumstances [07:26] it was [07:27] I'm fixing both, the code's the same [07:27] (bit of duplication ...) [07:27] ok, haven;t read all of LP comments yet [07:27] uploading to dapper-updates now [07:35] mdz: I'm out tonight - if you're around, could you rebuild all four livefses? otherwise don't worry, I'll do them when I get back and it'll be time enough [07:36] once ubiquity 1.0.17 binaries arrive [07:36] alternate install CDs won't need to change, nor will the server CDs that I'm building now, so you can safely continue testing those [07:37] Kamion: installation finished here (succesfully it seems) [07:37] great, thanks [07:38] have a nice evening :) === sharms [n=mindwarp@cpe-69-135-178-113.twmi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] anyone know if Keybuk is on vacation, and in that case for how long? === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9609.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:00] Kamion: can do === jsz [n=diego@59.Red-80-36-85.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] hmm [08:08] cdbs should update the icon cache automatically, right? [08:09] if the package has the gnome class, which network-manager doesn't... [08:14] mdz: thanks === shenki [n=shenki@ppp167-129.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=rddpr@ip-81-170-10-121.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F5705.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rgould [n=rgould@S010600014a5e5049.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-211-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:30] ok, I'm off to iwj's for the evening; please do (get a Canonical employee to) phone me on my mobile if there's a point-release-related emergency - I'll obviously be able to get to a computer easily [08:31] Kamion: have fun :-) [08:32] Kamion: you deserve it :-D === gort [n=jgbiggs@cpe-24-175-10-187.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:59] anyone willing to sponsor a trivial change to network-manager? :-) [08:59] fixes malone #55334 [08:59] Malone bug 55334 in network-manager "nm-applet doesn't start" [Medium,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/55334 === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-69-236-75-39.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gort [n=jgbiggs@cpe-24-175-10-187.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host127-79.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-62-245-210-231.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-199-122.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mmtb [n=mmtb@dxm232.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-69-236-75-39.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === bmon [n=monnahan@59.Red-81-37-239.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo_ [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:32] you know [10:32] suddenly I don't have DMA on my drive, and I can't turn it on. [10:40] Hello bluefoxicy [10:41] bugs should be reported on Malone https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs [10:41] and #ubuntu-bugs can help as well === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] mdz: does anyone use Ctrl+Alt+Backspace? [11:04] er. Why the heck did I point that at mdz === smurf [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] pitti: ping === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dborg [n=daniel@e182052011.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-241-136.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel