[12:30] <Sp4rKy> symlink for library must be added by the -dev package ?
[12:40] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: have you had a look at http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html ?
[12:41] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, i'd lost the link :)
[02:06] <TheMuso> c
[02:07] <bddebian> d
[02:07] <TheMuso> heh
[02:08] <TheMuso> Damn kvm sometimes stuffs up when switching machines.
[02:08] <bddebian> :-)
[02:08] <crimsun> that would explain why your client seems to spit out random chars
[02:11] <TheMuso> Yup.
[02:13] <bddebian> crimsun: So what's my excuse? :)
[02:15] <TheMuso> bddebian: You have no excuse. :)
[02:15] <bddebian> I know :-(
[02:16] <TheMuso> But I haven't seen anything unusual from you in here anyway.
[02:18] <TheMuso> Is the transcript from the bug school session up anywhere yet?
[02:20] <bddebian> Damnit, where is XML defined in statdataml
[02:28] <Sp4rKy> when can  i have my @ubuntu.com email adress ?
[02:29] <zul> when you are a member i think
[02:29] <TheMuso> Yeah thats right.
[02:30] <Sp4rKy> zul, no , later
[02:30] <Sp4rKy> i'm member since a few weeks
[02:30] <Sp4rKy> but i haven't got yet this adress
[02:30] <zul> then it should be your launcpadid@ubuntu.com
[02:31] <Sp4rKy> i'll try
[02:32] <Sp4rKy> and so where can i check my mail ?
[02:32] <zul> it gets forwarded to your email that you have in launchpad
[02:33] <Sp4rKy> ok
[02:34] <Sp4rKy> trying ....
[02:40] <Sp4rKy> doesn't seem work
[02:42] <TheMuso> Sp4rKy: Are you a member of the ubuntu members team yet?
[02:43] <Sp4rKy> yes
[02:43] <Sp4rKy> since a few weeks
[02:43] <Sp4rKy> https://launchpad.net/people/maxenced
[02:44] <crimsun> are you sure your test message didn't end up in gmail's spam folder or whatnot?
[02:46] <Sp4rKy> yes
[02:46] <crimsun> then ask in #launchpad
[02:46] <crimsun> I certainly wouldn't expect anything since it's the weekend
[02:47] <Sp4rKy> k
[02:47] <Sp4rKy> thx
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[04:07] <Hobbsee> morning all
[04:07] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[04:07] <Hobbsee> bddebian: :)
[04:07] <ajmitch> 'morning' Hobbsee
[04:08] <Hobbsee> hehe @ bug 55177
[04:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55177 in tecnoballz "Ships no .desktop" [Untriaged,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55177
[04:08] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch :)
[04:08] <TheMuso> Hey ajmitch.
[04:08] <zul> hey Hobbsee
[04:08] <Hobbsee> hi zul
[04:09] <ajmitch> hello TheMuso
[04:42] <nixternal> Hobbsee: what merge do i have?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ah, kflickr
[04:43] <nixternal> oh ya..duh ;)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> nixternal: its' marked as manual, so....it should be fun
[04:43] <nixternal> lovely
[04:44] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Did you get Pitti's script?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i did.  didnt work for the one i was trying though
[04:44] <TheMuso> Right.
[04:56] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Have you started/done carpaltunnel
[04:57] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, it's actually wrong.
[04:57] <Fujitsu> It's the latest version.
[04:57] <TheMuso> Oh ok.
[04:58] <Fujitsu> The last upload was actually a sync, but it needed a higher version number, because it went from native->non-native in Debian, stuffing versioning for a while.
[04:59] <TheMuso> Right.
[05:01] <Fujitsu> Woops.
[05:01] <Fujitsu> I just uploaded a binary package to REVU >_<
[05:02] <ajmitch> bad
[05:02] <ajmitch> convertall?
[05:02] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[05:02] <Kyral> ...Fujitsu...
[05:02] <Fujitsu> Couldn't it, you know... automatically reject them, rather than leaving them there to prevent further uploads?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> hi Kyral
[05:02] <Fujitsu> Kyral: ?
[05:02] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: cleared it
[05:02] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: that would be too smart.
[05:03] <Fujitsu> Thanks ajmitch :)
[05:03] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: that requires writing a script to check for those .changes files & then deleting the files it refers to
[05:03] <ajmitch> noone has gone to that effort yet
[05:03] <Kyral> Fujitsu: ...you have the email address "fujitsu@ubuntu.com.au" yes?
[05:03] <Fujitsu> Kyral, as well as william.grant@ubuntu.com.au, yes.
[05:04] <Kyral> Fujitsu: you are aware that in order to sign someone's GPG Key you need to meet them in person right?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> uh oh...what's he done...
[05:05] <Kyral> http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=Christopher+Peterman&op=vindex&fingerprint=on
[05:05] <Kyral> He signed my key without meeting me
[05:05] <crimsun> it's not a strict requirement, but it's accepted as good practice.
[05:05] <Hobbsee> Kyral: ouch
[05:05] <Hobbsee> crimsun: it probably should be though
[05:08] <Kyral> ...Fujitsu...just don't do it again
[05:10] <LaserJock> maybe we should have a "sign Kyral's gpg key" Day ;-)
[05:10] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:12] <Kyral> I actually agree with ajmitch on this one
[05:12] <TheMuso> heh love the kubuntu wallpaper.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: what is it?
[05:12] <ajmitch> I've got enough other keys to sign :)
[05:13] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heh.  get to it.
[05:13] <TheMuso> WHat? You haven't seen it?
[05:13] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: have you signed mine?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i'm using a different wallpaper, and i havent touched that source in a while
[05:13] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: not sure, i might have
[05:13] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: dont you remember such things?
[05:13] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: if you have, it's not on the keyserver
[05:13] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ahh...i likely didnt then
[05:13] <TheMuso> There is text written diagnolly on it.
[05:13] <ajmitch> it's up to you to sign it & get it to me - you've seen my fingerprint, ID, etc
[05:14] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: true
[05:14] <TheMuso> Edgy Eft (Early) Development Version
[05:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: sent your key up to the keyserver, after signing it
[05:16] <Hobbsee> or cant i send up yours?
[05:18] <Fujitsu> Kyral, did I do it>?
[05:18] <Fujitsu> It must have been ages ago.
[05:18] <Kyral> ...
[05:18] <Fujitsu> Before I knew what I was doing.
[05:18] <Kyral> just don't do it again
[05:18] <Fujitsu> I don't plan to.
[05:18] <Fujitsu> :(
[05:23] <Fujitsu> I really don't know why I would have signed it... Hm. I don't even have your key on my keyring, so it must have been not after November last year.
[05:23] <Fujitsu> I shan't do silly things like that again.
[05:24] <LaserJock> odd, my desktop froze mid-boot
[05:24] <crimsun> when in the boot sequence?
[05:25] <LaserJock> "Loading hardware drivers"
[05:25] <LaserJock> I rebooted and it's fine
[05:25] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[05:25] <Fujitsu> That's odd.
[05:25] <Fujitsu> Running Edgy?
[05:25] <LaserJock> nope
[05:31] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: the usual practice is to use a script for signing, which emails the email for each uid of that person's key
[05:34] <Fujitsu> And now I must be going
[05:37] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Where does one get such a script?
[05:40] <ajmitch> TheMuso: in the archive, such as signing-party
[05:40] <TheMuso> Ok.
[05:40] <ajmitch> the one you'd want there would be caff
[05:40] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[05:40] <ajmitch> or I use a script by keybuk
[05:41] <TheMuso> heh right
[05:48] <crimsun> nice, I hadn't noticed that the cdbs docs had been updated for the new Python Policy
[05:48] <crimsun> now people really don't have an excuse for using checkinstall
[05:52] <ajmitch> people always find excuses
[05:53] <nexu> "its easy"
[05:53] <nexu> "i can use it to make rpm too!"
[05:54] <nexu> "i dont want to learn new stuff ..  why would i have to if i'm only to go compile a new program"
[05:55] <bddebian> Anyone know what is supposed to provide gtk.gtkgl ?
[05:56] <ajmitch> libgtkgl2.0-dev?
[05:56] <ajmitch> or what language are you talking about?
[05:56] <bddebian> Python
[05:57] <ajmitch> it'll be around somewhere, I guess :)
[05:57] <bddebian> I can't find it with apt-file or on packages.ubuntu.com
[05:58] <ajmitch> probably because it was removed from python-gtk2
[05:58] <bddebian> Yeah?
[05:59] <ajmitch> yes
[05:59] <bddebian> How do you know that?
[06:00] <ajmitch> because I looked at the changelog?
[06:00] <bddebian> Ah
[06:00] <nexu> hax
[06:27] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:10] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Thanks. So I subscribe ubuntu-archive now?
[07:11] <crimsun> which bug?
[07:11] <crimsun> if you're referring to 55264, yes.
[07:12] <TheMuso> bug #55038
[07:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55038 in caudium "Sync request: caudium from sid, to fix FTBFS." [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55038
[07:13] <crimsun> u-a is already subscribed.
[07:13] <TheMuso> Just noticed that.
[07:44] <crimsun> who is this ... unique person in -devel?
[07:45] <tseng> never seen before
[07:45] <tseng> not sure its a "person"
[07:45] <tseng> I unfortunately dont have ops
[07:46] <tseng> sigh
[07:46] <Lathiat> heh
[10:49] <ajmitch> hi
[10:52] <Gloubiboulga> hello ajmitch
[10:58] <Hobbsee> hi all
[11:01] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: morning :-)
[11:01] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: morning :)
[11:01] <Hobbsee> at 7pm :P
[11:02] <Nafallo> 11am here ;-)
[11:03] <Yagisan> Hobbsee, 7pm IS still morning for me
[11:04] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: heh
[11:13] <Fujitsu> How often does REVU update its GPG key list? It's not accepting mine that's been on Launchpad for about 4 hours.
[11:20] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: it happens when you ask a revu admin to do it
[11:21] <ajmitch> since approval in the group is a manual process, so is syncing the keyring
[11:21] <Fujitsu> Ah. OK. Can you please sync it?
[11:22] <ajmitch> doing it now
[11:22] <Fujitsu> Thanks!
[11:25] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[02:51] <TheMuso> Has anybody seen Dana Olson around lately anywhere?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i dont recognise the name, why?
[02:53] <TheMuso> Just wondering if anybody has started doing his merges at all.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: if they're still there by now, take them.
[03:15] <TheMuso> Takes a while on my celeron.
[03:20] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yeah.  same here.  it's nasty
[03:20] <TheMuso> Yeah but I also have my P4, so I can try and do two builds at the same time.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:25] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i tried using that earlier actually.  couldnt figure out how to properly scp.  i was using it earlier though
[03:25] <StevenK> Hobbsee: scp -P 22000 .....
[03:25] <Hobbsee> ah...so pass that first...
[03:26] <StevenK> Hobbsee: If you give me the IP range you're in, I can fix crippled so you don't need the high port.
[03:26] <Hobbsee> StevenK: ah right.
[03:29] <TheMuso> Is it worth investing in AMD64 compatible hardware for dev work?
[03:30] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:31] <StevenK> TheMuso: If you want one.
[03:31] <StevenK> TheMuso: They are nice and fast. :-)
[03:31] <TheMuso> I'm sure they are.
[03:31] <TheMuso> It is still quite fast.
[03:33] <TheMuso> The core2 duos are 64-bit compatible are they not?
[03:33] <tseng> yes.
[03:34] <tseng> I am waiting for one in a laptop
[03:37] <bddebian> I have been hearing commercials for CompUsa or one of those putrid stores about a Compaq amd64 laptop
[03:59] <Yagisan> TheMuso, I feel an amd64 is useful
[04:00] <Yagisan> TheMuso, I prefer the amd ones with an iommu, but if intel now has an iommu I'd consider them too
[04:00] <TheMuso> iommu?
[04:01] <tseng> i dont think they do
[04:01] <Yagisan> TheMuso, Input Output Memory Management Unit
[04:01] <TheMuso> Is that supposed to be good or something?
[04:02] <Yagisan> TheMuso, so pci deveices can access virtuall address space above 4GB
[04:02] <TheMuso> Ok thanks. Thats something I didn't know about.
[04:02] <TheMuso> I will have to reconsider.
[04:02] <TheMuso> I have always bought intel, but hmmm.
[04:02] <Yagisan> eg, nvidia video cards have been known to have problems without one in a 64bit system like Ubuntu
[04:02] <tseng> I wouldnt really hinge my purchasing decision on that
[04:02] <Yagisan> neither would I
[04:03] <tseng> do you need more than 4gb of memory?
[04:03] <tseng> it is nice in a 4way opteron with a gigamegawatt of ram
[04:03] <Yagisan> no, but my bios sticks the famebuffer above 4GB
[04:03] <tseng> where xeon falls behind
[04:03] <TheMuso> Probably will only be 2GB at most.
[04:04] <Yagisan> TheMuso, get the best bang for your dollar
[04:04] <TheMuso> Are AMDs still best bang?
[04:04] <tseng> core2 is the best bang where you dont consider the dollar
[04:04] <tseng> x2 is drastically price reduced
[04:05] <tseng> so a better deal
[04:05] <TheMuso> hmmm right.
[04:05] <tseng> I intend to buy a core2 laptop
[04:06] <bmonty> dual core is great :)
[04:06] <bmonty> there are some annoying issues with stuff that doesn
[04:06] <bmonty> yet run on amd64 though
[04:07] <Yagisan> bmonty, that software needs patches then ;) and he did say dev work
[04:07] <tseng> I am betting he means something more like flash
[04:07] <bmonty> tseng: flash, java....stuff that makes the web a little sexier
[04:08] <TheMuso> Dev work, as in Ubuntu packaging/development.
[04:08] <bmonty> it is great for dev work though
[04:08] <TheMuso> Thats the only reason why I am considering one.
[04:08] <TheMuso> That, and audio work.
[04:22] <Nafallo> bmonty: we DO have java on amd64, no?
[04:22] <Nafallo> apt-cache search java found lots of sub-java5-* anyway :-)
[04:25] <Yagisan> bmonty, java works - otherwise I'd never get my uni work done
[04:26] <bmonty> Nafallo, Yagisan: Java, yes...plugin for firefox, no
[04:28] <Yagisan> bmonty, well, I use firefox to access the java site ...
[04:28] <Yagisan> I don't ask why, I'm just happy it works for me
[04:29] <bmonty> Yagisan: accessing sites is no problem, unless there is a java app in the page
[04:30] <bmonty> then you get an error saying that a plugin is missing
[04:30] <bmonty> the workaround is to run 32-bit firefox, so it isn't a show stopper
[04:31] <imbrandon> or use imb's java
[04:31] <imbrandon> ibm*
[04:31] <imbrandon> like i do on ppc ;)
[04:39] <hub> I just don't use Java, and gcj if needed
[04:44] <Nafallo> I don't use it either, but it's there ;-)
[04:49] <Gloubiboulga> TheMuso, hello!
[04:49] <Gloubiboulga> TheMuso, looking at bug #55312
[04:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55312 in seq24 "Please sponsor this merge for uploading." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55312
[04:49] <Gloubiboulga> I think that the package could be synced
[04:50] <Gloubiboulga> (I haven't tested the build yet though)
[04:51] <bmonty> did debian bring in the desktop file?
[04:52] <Gloubiboulga> hum
[04:52] <Gloubiboulga> actually I just looked at Luke's diff
[04:53] <Gloubiboulga> and there's almost nothing in it
[04:53] <bmonty> I don't think debian added the file, but I don't see it in the diff
[04:54] <Gloubiboulga> yep, you're right
[05:01] <TheMuso> I can't explain that one. The debdiff was from the prev ubuntu version to the merged one.
[05:01] <bmonty> TheMuso: thats why
[05:02] <TheMuso> ?
[05:02] <TheMuso> SHould the debdiffs be from the debian ver to the merged ver?
[05:02] <bmonty> yes
[05:02] <bmonty> previous ubuntu to the current debian version
[05:03] <TheMuso> I'm confused now
[05:03] <bmonty> the goal is to take the changes from the ubuntu version of the package and port them in to the latest debian version
[05:03] <TheMuso> I know that
[05:04] <bmonty> from the changelog that looks like a man page and a desktop file
[05:04] <TheMuso> yes thats right
[05:05] <bmonty> so the diff should have at a minimum, your new changelog, the desktop file and the man page
[05:05] <bmonty> er...no scratch that
[05:06] <bmonty> I'm confusing myself :)
[05:07] <bmonty> TheMuso: did you use the grab-merge script to get the package?
[05:08] <TheMuso> bmonty: Yes.
[05:08] <TheMuso> Ok I think I know what I am being confused with now.
[05:08] <bmonty> there is a seq24_0.8.6-1ubuntu1.patch file from MoM
[05:08] <bmonty> your diff should look like that
[05:08] <TheMuso> Yep.
[05:08] <TheMuso> I am getting confused by the version that is given in the report for dpkg-genchanges
[05:09] <TheMuso> I thought that I had to debdiff between that ver and the new ver.
[05:09] <bmonty> I would use the buildpackage script, and then diff between the current ubuntu and the merged packages
[05:10] <bmonty> might as well build the source package since you need to test the build anyway
[05:10] <TheMuso> buildpackage script?
[05:11] <bmonty> there should be a merge-buildpackage script that grab-merge generates
[05:12] <TheMuso> It only runs dpkg-genchanges.
[05:12] <TheMuso> Or has the script been updated?
[05:12] <TheMuso> I probably still have the orig version.
[05:12] <bmonty> merge-buildpackage just runs dpkg-buildpackage with the right args to grab all of the appropriate changelog entries
[05:13] <TheMuso> Ok I had an old script
[05:14] <TheMuso> I don't remember hearing anywhere that it was updated. :)
[05:14] <TheMuso> Ok lets start this again.
[05:15] <TheMuso> Ok so I run merge-buildpackage. Then for a debdiff, which vers do I have to diff?
[05:17] <bmonty> 0.8.3-1ubuntu1 to your new package
[05:17] <TheMuso> Well thats what I did before.
[05:17] <bmonty> I would "apt-get source seq24" and then apply your patch
[05:18] <TheMuso> The debdiff, or the patch from MOM?
[05:18] <bmonty> your debdiff
[05:19] <TheMuso> But if the .desktop file is not showing up in the debdiff, and this is after using merge-buildpackage, what am I missing?
[05:19] <TheMuso> ah I get what you mean
[05:19] <bmonty> how are you doing the debdiff?
[05:20] <TheMuso> debdiff seq24_0.8.3-1ubuntu1.dsc seq24_0.8.6-1ubuntu1.dsc
[05:23] <bmonty> ok, I was wrong...the desktop file should not be in there
[05:23] <bmonty> have you verified that the merged package builds?
[05:24] <TheMuso> Yes.
[05:24] <TheMuso> Tested in pbuilder.
[05:31] <bmonty> TheMuso: can you make a patch from the latest debian version to your version?
[05:32] <TheMuso> Yep hang on
[05:34] <TheMuso> http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/seq24-debian-ubuntu.diff
[05:36] <bmonty> TheMuso: looks good, building now
[05:37] <TheMuso> Ok.
[05:37] <TheMuso> I really must get to bed.
[05:37] <bmonty> the MoM merge scripts have made all of the diff stuff easy it has been awhile since I messed with it
[05:37] <TheMuso> Thanks bmonty.
[05:37] <TheMuso> Yeah they have.
[05:37] <TheMuso> To the point where it can sometimes get confusing IMO.
[05:37] <bmonty> yup
[05:38] <bmonty> please upload that diff you just sent me to the launchpad bug
[05:38] <TheMuso> Anyway, must be off to bed.
[05:38] <TheMuso> Thanks again
[05:38] <TheMuso> ok will do that before heading off
[05:38] <bmonty> np, good night
[05:40] <TheMuso> Ok thats up
[05:40] <bmonty> TheMuso: thanks, package is uploaded
[05:40] <TheMuso> Ok thanks again
[05:40] <TheMuso> im outa here
[05:41] <bmonty> bye TheMuso
[05:42] <bmonty> hi bddebian
[05:46] <bddebian> Hey bmonty
[05:47] <bddebian> OK obviously I suck at packaging :-(
[05:47] <bmonty> why do you say that?
[05:47] <bddebian> I'm trying to build dangerdeep and the dang files aren't ending up in the deb
[05:48] <bmonty> I always hate that
[05:49] <bddebian> Well the damn thing uses scons too so it's a little ugly :-)
[05:49] <dsas> could someone give me a quick explanation about what a debian/control.in is? Should I change that or debian/control ?
[05:50] <bmonty> dsas: the control.in is used to generate the control file, you should probably change the control.in file
[05:51] <dsas> bmonty: Ok, thanks.
[06:10] <siretart> hi kelmo
[06:10] <kelmo> hi siretart and all
[06:10] <siretart> kelmo: I finally found some time to look at svn trunk. impressive work on documentation. I love it
[06:10] <kelmo> siretart: cool, i hoped you would
[06:11] <kelmo> siretart: did you see th guessnet roaming logic stuff?
[06:12] <siretart> kelmo: I've seen felix remarks
[06:12] <siretart> kelmo: I never really used guessnet. I looked at the documentation though
[06:13] <siretart> kelmo: the way presented in the emails look useful, though
[06:13] <kelmo> siretart: i implemented it today
[06:13] <kelmo> siretart: based on some sample code from Felix
[06:13] <siretart> cool! :)
[06:14] <kelmo> siretart: we can now "plugin" the logic behing guessing the network
[06:14] <siretart> eheh :)
[06:14] <kelmo> siretart: are you happy about the removal of the wpa-action-script hacks
[06:14] <bddebian> siretart: Do you know if I can upload to REVU?  I haven't gone through the new process yet
[06:15] <kelmo> siretart: keeping in mind, the basis for lauching a action daemon is still firmly there
[06:15] <siretart> bddebian: you should be able
[06:15] <kelmo> s/a/sn/
[06:15] <kelmo> an*
[06:15] <bddebian> siretart: OK, thx.  I'm trying to package dangerdeep :-)
[06:16] <siretart> kelmo: hm. up to now, there are no other packages actually making use of this.
[06:16] <siretart> kelmo: I'm perfectly happy to remove any documentation for it.
[06:16] <siretart> kelmo: if it helps cleaning up the code a bit, sure, why not as well
[06:17] <Lure> if a package suggests/recomends (but not depends) on something from multiverse, can it still be in universe?
[06:18] <bddebian> Lure: I don't believe so but don't quote me
[06:18] <kelmo> siretart: basically, i want it gone before it becomes widely used, wpa-roam is definately maturing into something more than just an action script, so its to be preferred imo
[06:18] <siretart> Lure: could you please ask that in either #ubuntu-devel or on ubuntu-devel@l.u.c?
[06:19] <siretart> kelmo: I rather consider that as 'hook' for work from others
[06:19] <Lure> siretart, bddebian: thanks, will check on -devel
[06:24] <Lure> just for the record:
[06:24] <Lure> [18:21]  <mdz> Lure: suggests, yes, recommends, not really
[06:24] <Lure> [
[06:27] <kelmo> siretart: i guess what we have to decide is, what modes of use should we support,  what modes are sanely supportable
[06:28] <phanatic> afternoon
[06:36] <plhardy> raphink: i stepped in ubuntu, where can i help ?
[06:37] <raphink> plhardy: what can you do?
[06:37] <plhardy> raphink: come on linux azur lug channel you might remember what i can do...
[06:50] <bddebian> OK< dumb question. In something like dir=#/foo/bar  what is # ?
[06:52] <welshbyte> a typo? :)
[06:53] <bddebian> It's generated that way in a shell script
[06:53] <welshbyte> i jest, i jest
[06:53] <bddebian> :-)
[06:56] <welshbyte> is it not a comment, so it's essentially dir=
[06:57] <welshbyte> oh no, i tried and it isn't
[07:03] <bddebian> I think they are assuming its ./ but I'm not sure
[08:12] <Nafallo> hi! I detected a bug in network-manager (#55334)
[08:12] <Nafallo> :-)
[08:15] <Nafallo> I just have to add this to rules:
[08:15] <Nafallo> binary-install/network-manager-gnome::
[08:15] <Nafallo>         dh_iconcache
[08:15] <Nafallo> ?
[08:16] <siretart> why doesn't cdbs call dh_iconcache?
[08:16] <Nafallo> no gnomeclass added
[08:17] <Nafallo> only autotools
[08:17] <siretart> hm. perhaps it's better to add them?
[08:18] <Nafallo> I don't know :-/. I guess Keybuk had a reason not to, since network-manager creates a lot of packages and only one is for gnome?
[08:19] <Nafallo> but the lines I pasted are also a correct approach? I'm rusty add packaging now, especially cdbs :-)
[08:34] <futzilogik> how do I debootstrap an edgy installation?
[08:40] !alindeman:*! Hi all.  I'm about to upgrade services to fix some bugs.  I'm going to take it down in approximately 5 minutes, and it should be back within 5 more.  Sorry for an inconvenience
[08:40] <bmonty> futzilogik: install the edgy version of debootstrap
[08:41] <futzilogik> bmonty: where can I find it? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot doesn't list it
[08:41] <bmonty>  futzilogik: http:/packages.ubuntu.com/debootstrap
[08:41] <futzilogik> bmonty: thanks!
[08:42] <Nafallo> damn a.u.c is slow :-/
[08:54] <Nafallo> siretart: want to sponsor network-manager for me? :-)
[08:57] <bmonty> anyone working on merges right now?
[08:58] <Nafallo> nope, but I fixed a bug :-)
[08:58] <bmonty> nice
[08:58] <Nafallo> now I just need a main-sponsor ;-)
[09:11] !alindeman:*! Services is back online.  Please report problems to alindeman in /msg
[09:12] !alindeman:*! This update should solve the bug relating to cloaks getting reset/changed with multiple, linked nicks
[09:12] !alindeman:*! (Thanks BearPerson!) :-)
[09:31] <bddebian> bmonty: I have a shitload of syncs waiting
[09:42] <bmonty> bddebian: are you working on atanks?
[09:42] <bddebian> bmonty: Nope, go for it :-)
[09:48] <Lure> any REVU admin here?
[09:49] <Lure> having problems with my first dput (after failed transfer)
[09:49] <bddebian> WTF is the gl/glu packages these days?
[09:52] <jdmpike_> hey guys, what are the chances of getting the theora-mmx package moved into the repos?
[10:03] <jdmpike_> by the powers of grayskull
[10:10] <bddebian> jdmpike_: Is it on REVU?
[10:10] <jdmpike_> don't kow
[10:32] <jdmpike_> bddebian, I guess the package is actually called libtheora-1.0alpha7
[10:34] <jdmpike_> bddebian, what is REVU
[10:36] <lionelp> jdmpike_: there is a libtheora on Ubuntu (coming from Debian)
[10:36] <lionelp> alpha5 in Dapper
[10:36] <lionelp> alpha7 in Edgy
[10:37] <jdmpike_> lionhelp, when will alpha6 or 7 make it into Dapper?
[10:37] <jdmpike_> lionhelp, or can I install that package from the Edgy repo?
[10:37] <Bazzi> the backports team is no longer active as far as I know
[10:37] <Bazzi> so there likely wont be an update
[10:38] <jdmpike_> DRATS
[10:38] <jdmpike_> what are my options for running it then
[10:38] <jdmpike_> building from source
[10:38] <Bazzi> you could always try using the edgy version yes
[10:38] <jdmpike_> then messing my machine up and not being able to fix it?
[10:38] <jdmpike_> Bazzi, how do I get the edgy version of the package?
[10:39] <Bazzi> but that's the messing with machine thing you just mentioned
[10:39] <jdmpike_> I would rather install it with a package manager than build it from source
[10:39] <Bazzi> you could pull it from a mirror and dpkg -i it
[10:39] <jdmpike_> Question about that, how do you remove something that you install with dpkg -i ?
[10:40] <Nafallo> s/dpkg\ -i/gdebi/
[10:40] <Bazzi> gdebi? is that a gnome front end?
[10:40] <Nafallo> you remove it as usual.
[10:40] <jdmpike_> really
[10:40] <Nafallo> gdebi-gtk is the gnome-frontend. gdebi is text-based :-).
[10:41] <Nafallo> it uses apt rather than dpkg directly
[10:41] <Bazzi> ah, ok
[10:41] <Nafallo> will solve depends and such things :-)
[10:41] <jdmpike_> I installed a wine package with dpkg -i, then I tried to uninstall it dpkg -r --purge package name
[10:42] <jdmpike_> it couldn't find it
[10:42] <jdmpike_> ok, can someone hold a newbs hand on pulling down the libtheora-1.0alpha7 deb down from the edgy repos and installing it on my machine with a tool that can remove it?
[10:43] <Nafallo> apt-get remove --purge is better :-)
[10:43] <jdmpike_> I don't know how to browse the edgy repos
[10:43] <Nafallo> https://launchpad.net
[10:44] <Bazzi> by the way, Nafallo have you knowledge about the translation system? when will translations for edgy be possible?
[10:45] <Nafallo> Bazzi: no idea, that's a pitti or carlos question :-)
[10:45] <Nafallo> more likely carlos
[10:46] <Bazzi> hmmm
[10:46] <Bazzi> launchpad is still confusing for me
[10:47] <Nafallo> :-)
[10:49] <jdmpike_> ok, really quick - I just downloaded the .deb for libtheora for edgy, thanks Nafallo for the link to launchpad! Now how do I install it using an apt-based CLI?
[10:49] <jdmpike_> gdebi -i package name?
[10:49] <Nafallo> gdebi package-name :-)
[10:50] <jdmpike_> that will install it so it could be removed with synaptic?
[10:50] <Nafallo> yes
[10:50] <Nafallo> and gdebi-gtk for gui
[10:50] <jdmpike_> or something like it
[10:50] <jdmpike_> thanks for the newb support, I know that is not your job in this channel
[10:51] <jdmpike_> thanks!
[10:51] <Nafallo> no problem :-)
[10:54] <jdmpike_> how stable is libc6 and libogg0 for edgy?
[10:57] <jdmpike_> oh man, now I am nervous
[10:57] <jdmpike_> upgrading libc6
[10:57] <jdmpike_> this has to be a big deal, it is a huge library that is in charge of math and many other things!
[10:57] <jdmpike_> gulp!
[10:59] <crimsun> edgy base is stable IME. It's only when you start tossing in stuff like the X Window System that things become interesting.
[10:59] <jdmpike_> ok, that makes me feel better
[10:59] <jdmpike_> what does "Failed to satisfy all dependencies (broken cache)" mean?
[11:04] <jdmpike_> crap, now I screwed up my ia32 install in Dapper
[11:13] <crimsun> then you probably just want to dist-upgrade wholescale to edgy.
[11:17] <jdmpike_> ok, so I should just dist upgrade to edgy?
[11:17] <jdmpike_> will do
[11:17] <jdmpike_> gulp
[11:17] <jdmpike_> heh, I am trying to talk to you all in the right channels
[11:17] <jdmpike_> but it is the same people, hilarious!
[11:18] <bddebian> What do I do about linda/lintian warnings about files being considered extra licenses?
[11:37] <bddebian> *sigh*
[11:38] <crimsun> what're the precise warnings?
[11:40] <bddebian> W: dangerdeep; File /usr/share/games/LICENSE_README is considered to be an extra license file.
[11:49] <crimsun> bddebian: upon inspecting /usr/share/games/LICENSE_README (!, notably the path), what is it?
[11:54] <bddebian> crimsun: Talks about artwork license
[11:57] <crimsun> that probably needs to be integrated into debian/copyright , then. Seems fine to me.
[11:59] <bddebian> Just put something in copyright showing where to look at those files or paste in the whole contents?
[11:59] <crimsun> the latter.
[12:03] <bddebian> Then remove those files from the deb or just leave the warnings?
[12:03] <bddebian> Heya lfittl
[12:03] <crimsun> Is that specific file required according to its contents?
[12:03] <lfittl> hi bddebian :)
[12:03] <crimsun> if you have its contents in debian/copyright, I wouldn't install it.
[12:04] <crimsun> (unless of course it's required by the semantics, in which case it looks like a valid lintian-override)
[12:05] <bddebian> lfittl: Had a chance to look at attal yet?
[12:06] <lfittl> bddebian: no sry, had some problems with my net connection the last days, will look at it tomorrow
[12:06] <bddebian> lfittl: No worries, just curious