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Amaranthhey, willowng finally made it out of limbo01:13
lucasvoAmaranth: I'll test it tomorrow01:14
Amaranthlucasvo: did you see my new tooltips in gallium?01:14
lucasvo saved branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gallium-dev/gallium/tw--devel01:16
lucasvobzr: ERROR: No such file: 'http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gallium-dev/gallium/tw--devel/.bzr/repository/knits/e9/%2543.jpg-20060804035635-3851a2711f2090d7.kndx': (6, "Couldn't resolve host 'bazaar.launchpad.net'")01:16
lucasvowhat was the other location?01:16
Amaranthoh, i gave up on launchpad01:17
Amaranthhttp://dev.realistanew.com/gallium--tw01:17
lucasvowell, your server's taking me a hell lot of time to merge01:19
Burgundavialucasvo: I don't think all that bazaar stuff in LP is very stable yet01:20
lucasvodone01:21
lucasvoBurgundavia: I have no problems with it01:21
lucasvoAmaranth: I like them01:21
lucasvoAmaranth: however I think you should make some padding01:22
lucasvoand not only display the full name01:22
Amaranthwell, yeah01:22
Amaranththe hard part is making them appear :)01:22
Amaranththe code for it is scary01:22
BurgundaviaAmaranth: if I have already pulled down your code via bzr branch, how do I update to the latest?01:23
lucasvoBurgundavia: did you use branch or pull01:23
AmaranthBurgundavia: bzr pull01:23
Burgundavialucasvo: branch originally01:24
Burgundaviashiny it is working01:24
Burgundaviageez this bzr stuff is easy01:24
=== lucasvo is installing willowng
AmaranthI stole the fake tooltips code from quod libet, actually01:25
Amaranththey have some cool code that does a tooltip for elipsized treeview cells01:25
BurgundaviaAmaranth: should this be taking several minutes? I branched a few days ago01:25
Amaranthi just modified it to work as a real tooltip01:26
AmaranthBurgundavia: Yeah, bzr is slow.01:26
AmaranthAnd I stuffed a bunch of images into the repo.01:26
Burgundaviaright01:26
Burgundaviais the next thing they are going todo is to make if blazing fast?01:26
lucasvo7135: arguments to dbus_connection_send_with_reply_and_block() were incorrect, assertion "connection != NULL" failed in file dbus-connection.c line 2778.01:27
lucasvoAmaranth: ?01:27
lucasvoThis is normally a bug in some application using the D-BUS library.01:27
lucasvo7135: arguments to dbus_connection_send_with_reply_and_block() were incorrect, assertion "connection != NULL" failed in file dbus-connection.c line 2778.01:27
lucasvoThis is normally a bug in some application using the D-BUS library.01:27
Amaranthlucasvo: *shrug*01:27
AmaranthI can't figure out why it says that.01:27
Burgundaviahmm, ctrl-c take a while to take hold01:27
AmaranthIt didn't before, then (with me changing nothing), it does.01:27
lucasvoAmaranth: that's why: Introspect error: The name com.ubuntu.WillowNG was not provided by any .service files01:27
Amaranthlucasvo: Nope, it does it even when the proxy is running.01:27
Amaranthbtw, dbus starts the proxy, you either have to restart the computer or force it to start with sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/99willowng start01:28
lucasvook, started it.01:29
lucasvodo you know how to fix it?01:29
Amaranthnope01:30
Amaranththose errors just started showing up01:30
lucasvoso I basically can't run it?01:30
Amaranththey don't affect it01:30
Amaranthit still works01:30
lucasvoAmaranth: no, it doesn't: http://pastebin.ca/11747401:30
Amarantheven after you started the proxy you get that?01:31
lucasvoyes01:31
lucasvo * Starting content filter: willowng                                                                                                                  [ ok ]  01:31
AmaranthW.T.F.01:31
Amaranthit doesn't work here either01:32
Amaranthbut it did before, even with those errors01:32
Amaranthand it worked for ogra too01:32
lucasvo:P01:32
lucasvostrange01:32
Amaranthstupid gnome-vfs01:32
lucasvoimprove it01:32
Amaranthgnome-vfs uses dbus and threads so every application using gnome-vfs and dbus has to do things to make it not break01:33
BurgundaviaAmaranth: you want a .desktop for your app?01:33
Amaranthi've got one for willowng01:33
Amaranthi know how to make them :P01:34
Burgundaviano, for gallium01:34
Amaranthah01:34
Amaranthwhat i really need is an icon :)01:34
Burgundaviaright01:34
Amaranthi know .desktop files inside and out (damn menu spec)01:34
Burgundaviaindeed01:34
lucasvoI have to sleep01:36
lucasvogood night01:37
lucasvosudo apt-get install ltspfs01:38
lucasvotry ltspfs!01:38
lucasvotest it, report bugs.01:38
Amaranthlucasvo: that's a bug in the dbus python bindings01:39
Amaranthwait, no it's not, it's coming from gnome-vfs01:40
Amaranththose errors are, i mean01:40
Amaranthlucasvo: and the problem with my app is due to not restarting your computer :)01:42
Amaranthlucasvo: if you call sudo invoke-rc.d dbus reload _then_ call sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/99willowng restart it should work01:42
lucasvoAmaranth: not really: http://pastebin.ca/11749301:45
Amaranthjust restart your computer :P01:46
lucasvonah, won't do that01:47
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lucasvolast time I had to reinstall x01:47
Amaranthsudo killall willowng && sudo rm /var/run/willowng.pid && sudo invoke-rc.d dbus reload && sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/99willowng start01:47
Amaranthif that doesn't work something is wrong with your computer and you really need to restart01:48
lucasvofinally01:48
AmaranthThat's the "Amaranth Way of Beating Things Into Working"01:48
lucasvoAmaranth: can't you make it transparent on default?01:49
Amaranthtransparent?01:49
lucasvotransparent proxy?01:49
AmaranthNope.01:49
lucasvowhy not?01:49
Amaranthhttp://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev doesn't like that :)01:49
lucasvowell, disable it on default but make an option at least01:50
Amaranththe little checkbox is going to set debconf and gconf proxy settings then block off port 80 for everyone but the willowng user01:50
lucasvooh, ok01:50
Amaranthoriginally the little checkbox was going to turn on transparent proxying01:50
Amaranthi was told no01:50
lucasvothey don't like it?01:50
Amaranthit breaks a couple of standards01:51
lucasvomaybe you could make an additional checkbox01:51
Amaranthwhy? setting debconf and gconf settings should make everyone work fine01:51
Amaranthexcept lynx and junk01:51
lucasvoor write at least: by activating this proxy, debconf and gconf get's reconfigured01:51
AmaranthThis is a tool for parents.01:51
AmaranthThey don't even know what debconf and gconf are. :P01:52
lucasvoyes, then say, It automatically configures your browser.01:52
lucasvoAmaranth: but they also don't know what a port is01:52
Amaranth'Enable Content Filter'01:52
Amaranthlucasvo: Yeah, ogra asked me to add that for some reason.01:52
lucasvowell of course it has to be written there!01:53
AmaranthI'm against geeking it out anymore than that.01:53
lucasvoyes01:53
lucasvoyou could make an advanced section01:53
lucasvowhere you can even choose which port it should use01:53
Amaranthnope, that's a config file thing :P01:54
lucasvoand willowng-config isn't the right gui for it?01:54
Amaranthnope01:54
lucasvowhy not?01:54
lucasvodoes willlowng support login for unfiltered access?01:55
Amaranthno01:55
lucasvowhen I activate it, do I have to restart the browser?01:55
Amaranththe checkbox doesn't do anything01:55
lucasvobut?01:56
Amaranththe entire program is about  1 1/2 months old and half of that was packaging01:56
Amaranthlots of stuff doesn't do anything :P01:56
lucasvooh01:56
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Amaranthlogin for unfiltered access is a good idea01:57
Amaranthanyone in the 'admin' group should be able to do that01:57
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BurgundaviaAmaranth: what is the bzr address of willow-ng?02:36
Amaranthhttp://dev.realistanew.com/willowng02:36
Amaranthit might not be for long, my dev subdomain is in need of some cleanup02:36
Burgundaviaok, this is just for uwn02:37
Amarantheek02:38
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BurgundaviaAmaranth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue802:48
Amaranthah02:50
Amaranththat's cool, but your missing a newline between SoC projects02:51
Amaranthalright, now that i've fixed my bash on my server (.bashrc hacking is fun!) time to do some housecleaning02:51
Amaranthcrap, i can't remember how to activate new subdomains02:52
BurgundaviaAmaranth: caught that02:52
BurgundaviaAmaranth: do you know what is new in LTSP?03:10
Amaranthnope03:10
AmaranthI've never used it.03:10
AmaranthI don't run Edubuntu, I just make things. :)03:10
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BurgundaviaAmaranth: that makes two of us03:12
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gromerotwHello there!03:24
Signiferhey03:25
gromerotwHow are you doing?03:26
SigniferAwesome03:27
gromerotwI have a question about setting up edununtu?03:27
gromerotwCan I post it here?03:27
SigniferDon't see why not03:27
gromerotwI'm trying to use wavesurfer 03:28
gromerotwIt works fine on the server but when I try on the client (ltsp)03:29
gromerotwthe sound keep going out from the server's speaker.03:29
gromerotwThe same happen with gnusound03:30
gromerotwHow to fix it?03:30
SigniferIts thinclient you'd have to run the application on the client...not the server...03:31
Signiferunless anyone else knows of a better way?03:32
gromerotwIt's ltsp.03:32
gromerotwThe application runs on the server and everything goes out through the client.03:33
SigniferThe xSession goes out through the client03:33
Signiferhttp://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/4472/4/03:34
Signiferthats site has a tutorial, i havn't tested that claims it can do what you want...03:34
gromerotwOk. Thanks. I will take a look to the tutorials.03:37
Signiferthe wiki also has a tutorial03:40
Signiferhttp://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound03:40
BurgundaviaSignifer: the lstp.org version of ltsp is different then ours03:41
Burgundaviayou need to turn on sound in edubuntu03:41
gromerotwI have read many toturials, they are not helpful in this case.03:41
BurgundaviaI believe ltsp.conf a setting for it03:41
gromerotwI have sound on the thin client, also xmms is working fine.03:42
BurgundaviaSound issue fixed by putting the following in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf:03:42
BurgundaviaCode:03:42
Burgundavia[Default]  SOUND = Tru03:42
gromerotwIt's just that wavesurfer doesn't work.03:42
Signiferwhat device is it told to write to?03:43
gromerotwBut if I tried the same setup in redhat 9.0 it works without any problem.03:43
Signifer:|03:43
gromerotwI think that I'm missing some package. But what?03:43
Burgundaviagromerotw: did you do the above fix?03:45
gromerotwYou mean  [Default]  SOUND = Tru?03:45
Burgundaviayep, well True03:46
gromerotwLet me check it?03:46
gromerotwI have in every client SOUND    = Y03:48
gromerotwbut not as [Default] 03:48
Burgundaviatry that03:48
Burgundaviayou might need to restart the clients03:48
gromerotwOk. Give me a couple of minutes.03:49
gromerotwI'm back.03:58
gromerotwThe result is the same.03:58
gromerotwIt is using the server's speaker.03:59
gromerotwSOUND=true03:59
Burgundaviagromerotw: hmm, have you tried restarting the ltsp server?04:00
gromerotwOk. I will try. I'll be out for a minute04:01
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gromerotwI'm back.04:08
Signiferand?04:08
gromerotwThe result is the same than before. 04:08
Signiferdid it work?04:08
Signifer:(04:08
gromerotwIt didn't.04:09
gromerotwIf you have two pcs. and the sound working fine on the thin client.04:09
gromerotwand you try to install wavesurfer04:10
gromerotwperhaps you will have the same problem.04:10
gromerotwBut if you try the same setup on redhat 9.0, there will be no problem.04:11
gromerotwI'm using esd as the sound server in the lts.conf04:13
gromerotwIs there any way how to restore to normal edubuntu without reinstalling again?04:14
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lucasvoogra: ltsp-build-client failed11:26
lucasvoUnpacking xserver-xorg (from .../xserver-xorg_1%3a7.0.22ubuntu7_all.deb) ...11:26
lucasvoxserver-xorg config warning: failed to infer keyboard layout from layout/lang '10 debian-installer/keymap doesn't exist--10 debian-installer/language doesn't exist'11:26
lucasvoServer symlink checksum doesn't exist. We need to make it11:26
lucasvoI'll try again11:27
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lucasvoogra: failed on second attempt as well :(12:05
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wouterlare the educational pakages in edubuntu also available in other languages (than english) like dutch?05:07
lucasvowouterl: quite a lot, I can't say you how much05:11
lucasvowouterl: however you can get a list of the applications being translated here:05:11
lucasvohttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+lang/nl05:12
lucasvohowever it's not only educational applications05:12
wouterlthanks !05:12
wouterlit helped a lot (that link)05:14
lucasvowouterl: as you see a huge part has already been translated. you just have to install the language packs05:15
wouterlthanks for the information, i'm off now05:23
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Caraibeshi all, I have a newbie question :05:30
CaraibesI am now running Blag (bades on fc5)05:31
CaraibesI just downloaded edubuntu installl05:31
Caraibesand want to check md5...05:31
Caraibesdo you know how I could do it ?05:31
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lucasvoCaraibes: md5sum __FILENAME__05:43
Caraibesthank you, sorry for such a silly question...05:44
lucasvonp05:44
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flinthi there sports fans!07:24
flintI need to flip eth0 and eth1 on a system I have running, anybody got any elegant ideas?07:24
Signiferbios?07:27
flintSignifer, na, something in /etc/networks and maybe in a bunch of other places as well....07:29
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Signiferworks for floppy drives :-P07:38
flintexcellent point...07:39
flintanyway gotta reboot in another place... later!07:39
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flintanybody know how to set EDD 606 to forward packets?09:13
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eugmanWhich of the typing programs are available by default on the livecd?10:56
lucasvoeugman: Ktouch10:57
lucasvoand I think tuxtype10:58
eugmanDo you think a livecd would be good enough for my mom to learn typing or would a harddrive to save stuff be really needed?10:59
lucasvoeugman: what machine do you have?10:59
lucasvoI live cd is slow if there is less then 512mb10:59
lucasvo256 are needed tor run it at all10:59
eugmanI've got an old gateway 2000 I was thinking of setting up for her. It will probably end up being too old and I'll have to remaster a lightweight distro.11:01
lucasvoeugman: I would install Xubuntu11:02
eugmanDo you know if I'd have to remaster it or does it have a typing program installed like gtypist?11:02
lucasvoeugman: remaster?11:03
lucasvoeugman: it takes about 4min to install gtypist11:03
eugmanRight, and that would be perfect if I was expecting constant uptime or a computer literate mother.11:04
lucasvoyes11:04
eugmanThat and no internet acess11:04
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eugmanSo it has to be installed  on the cd itself.11:04
lucasvooh, internet may be critical11:04
eugmanForgot about that for a moment myself.11:05
lucasvoin that case, download the xubuntu and edubuntu cd, install xubuntu, then add the edubuntu cd as a repository11:05
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eugmanNow would running ktouch from xfce defeat the purpose of running xcfe?11:06
lucasvoeugman: no.11:06
eugmanWould it be possible to make a script file that will install and run the program?11:07
lucasvoyes11:07
eugmanthanks11:08
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pygiBurgundavia, poke?12:11
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