[01:13] <Amaranth> hey, willowng finally made it out of limbo
[01:14] <lucasvo> Amaranth: I'll test it tomorrow
[01:14] <Amaranth> lucasvo: did you see my new tooltips in gallium?
[01:16] <lucasvo>  saved branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gallium-dev/gallium/tw--devel
[01:16] <lucasvo> bzr: ERROR: No such file: 'http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gallium-dev/gallium/tw--devel/.bzr/repository/knits/e9/%2543.jpg-20060804035635-3851a2711f2090d7.kndx': (6, "Couldn't resolve host 'bazaar.launchpad.net'")
[01:16] <lucasvo> what was the other location?
[01:17] <Amaranth> oh, i gave up on launchpad
[01:17] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/gallium--tw
[01:19] <lucasvo> well, your server's taking me a hell lot of time to merge
[01:20] <Burgundavia> lucasvo: I don't think all that bazaar stuff in LP is very stable yet
[01:21] <lucasvo> done
[01:21] <lucasvo> Burgundavia: I have no problems with it
[01:21] <lucasvo> Amaranth: I like them
[01:22] <lucasvo> Amaranth: however I think you should make some padding
[01:22] <lucasvo> and not only display the full name
[01:22] <Amaranth> well, yeah
[01:22] <Amaranth> the hard part is making them appear :)
[01:22] <Amaranth> the code for it is scary
[01:23] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: if I have already pulled down your code via bzr branch, how do I update to the latest?
[01:23] <lucasvo> Burgundavia: did you use branch or pull
[01:23] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: bzr pull
[01:24] <Burgundavia> lucasvo: branch originally
[01:24] <Burgundavia> shiny it is working
[01:24] <Burgundavia> geez this bzr stuff is easy
[01:25] <Amaranth> I stole the fake tooltips code from quod libet, actually
[01:25] <Amaranth> they have some cool code that does a tooltip for elipsized treeview cells
[01:25] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: should this be taking several minutes? I branched a few days ago
[01:26] <Amaranth> i just modified it to work as a real tooltip
[01:26] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: Yeah, bzr is slow.
[01:26] <Amaranth> And I stuffed a bunch of images into the repo.
[01:26] <Burgundavia> right
[01:26] <Burgundavia> is the next thing they are going todo is to make if blazing fast?
[01:27] <lucasvo> 7135: arguments to dbus_connection_send_with_reply_and_block() were incorrect, assertion "connection != NULL" failed in file dbus-connection.c line 2778.
[01:27] <lucasvo> Amaranth: ?
[01:27] <lucasvo> This is normally a bug in some application using the D-BUS library.
[01:27] <lucasvo> 7135: arguments to dbus_connection_send_with_reply_and_block() were incorrect, assertion "connection != NULL" failed in file dbus-connection.c line 2778.
[01:27] <lucasvo> This is normally a bug in some application using the D-BUS library.
[01:27] <Amaranth> lucasvo: *shrug*
[01:27] <Amaranth> I can't figure out why it says that.
[01:27] <Burgundavia> hmm, ctrl-c take a while to take hold
[01:27] <Amaranth> It didn't before, then (with me changing nothing), it does.
[01:27] <lucasvo> Amaranth: that's why: Introspect error: The name com.ubuntu.WillowNG was not provided by any .service files
[01:27] <Amaranth> lucasvo: Nope, it does it even when the proxy is running.
[01:28] <Amaranth> btw, dbus starts the proxy, you either have to restart the computer or force it to start with sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/99willowng start
[01:29] <lucasvo> ok, started it.
[01:29] <lucasvo> do you know how to fix it?
[01:30] <Amaranth> nope
[01:30] <Amaranth> those errors just started showing up
[01:30] <lucasvo> so I basically can't run it?
[01:30] <Amaranth> they don't affect it
[01:30] <Amaranth> it still works
[01:30] <lucasvo> Amaranth: no, it doesn't: http://pastebin.ca/117474
[01:31] <Amaranth> even after you started the proxy you get that?
[01:31] <lucasvo> yes
[01:31] <lucasvo>  * Starting content filter: willowng                                                                                                                  [ ok ]  
[01:31] <Amaranth> W.T.F.
[01:32] <Amaranth> it doesn't work here either
[01:32] <Amaranth> but it did before, even with those errors
[01:32] <Amaranth> and it worked for ogra too
[01:32] <lucasvo> :P
[01:32] <lucasvo> strange
[01:32] <Amaranth> stupid gnome-vfs
[01:32] <lucasvo> improve it
[01:33] <Amaranth> gnome-vfs uses dbus and threads so every application using gnome-vfs and dbus has to do things to make it not break
[01:33] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: you want a .desktop for your app?
[01:33] <Amaranth> i've got one for willowng
[01:34] <Amaranth> i know how to make them :P
[01:34] <Burgundavia> no, for gallium
[01:34] <Amaranth> ah
[01:34] <Amaranth> what i really need is an icon :)
[01:34] <Burgundavia> right
[01:34] <Amaranth> i know .desktop files inside and out (damn menu spec)
[01:34] <Burgundavia> indeed
[01:36] <lucasvo> I have to sleep
[01:37] <lucasvo> good night
[01:38] <lucasvo> sudo apt-get install ltspfs
[01:38] <lucasvo> try ltspfs!
[01:38] <lucasvo> test it, report bugs.
[01:39] <Amaranth> lucasvo: that's a bug in the dbus python bindings
[01:40] <Amaranth> wait, no it's not, it's coming from gnome-vfs
[01:40] <Amaranth> those errors are, i mean
[01:42] <Amaranth> lucasvo: and the problem with my app is due to not restarting your computer :)
[01:42] <Amaranth> lucasvo: if you call sudo invoke-rc.d dbus reload _then_ call sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/99willowng restart it should work
[01:45] <lucasvo> Amaranth: not really: http://pastebin.ca/117493
[01:46] <Amaranth> just restart your computer :P
[01:47] <lucasvo> nah, won't do that
[01:47] <lucasvo> last time I had to reinstall x
[01:47] <Amaranth> sudo killall willowng && sudo rm /var/run/willowng.pid && sudo invoke-rc.d dbus reload && sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/99willowng start
[01:48] <Amaranth> if that doesn't work something is wrong with your computer and you really need to restart
[01:48] <lucasvo> finally
[01:48] <Amaranth> That's the "Amaranth Way of Beating Things Into Working"
[01:49] <lucasvo> Amaranth: can't you make it transparent on default?
[01:49] <Amaranth> transparent?
[01:49] <lucasvo> transparent proxy?
[01:49] <Amaranth> Nope.
[01:49] <lucasvo> why not?
[01:49] <Amaranth> http://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev doesn't like that :)
[01:50] <lucasvo> well, disable it on default but make an option at least
[01:50] <Amaranth> the little checkbox is going to set debconf and gconf proxy settings then block off port 80 for everyone but the willowng user
[01:50] <lucasvo> oh, ok
[01:50] <Amaranth> originally the little checkbox was going to turn on transparent proxying
[01:50] <Amaranth> i was told no
[01:50] <lucasvo> they don't like it?
[01:51] <Amaranth> it breaks a couple of standards
[01:51] <lucasvo> maybe you could make an additional checkbox
[01:51] <Amaranth> why? setting debconf and gconf settings should make everyone work fine
[01:51] <Amaranth> except lynx and junk
[01:51] <lucasvo> or write at least: by activating this proxy, debconf and gconf get's reconfigured
[01:51] <Amaranth> This is a tool for parents.
[01:52] <Amaranth> They don't even know what debconf and gconf are. :P
[01:52] <lucasvo> yes, then say, It automatically configures your browser.
[01:52] <lucasvo> Amaranth: but they also don't know what a port is
[01:52] <Amaranth> 'Enable Content Filter'
[01:52] <Amaranth> lucasvo: Yeah, ogra asked me to add that for some reason.
[01:53] <lucasvo> well of course it has to be written there!
[01:53] <Amaranth> I'm against geeking it out anymore than that.
[01:53] <lucasvo> yes
[01:53] <lucasvo> you could make an advanced section
[01:53] <lucasvo> where you can even choose which port it should use
[01:54] <Amaranth> nope, that's a config file thing :P
[01:54] <lucasvo> and willowng-config isn't the right gui for it?
[01:54] <Amaranth> nope
[01:54] <lucasvo> why not?
[01:55] <lucasvo> does willlowng support login for unfiltered access?
[01:55] <Amaranth> no
[01:55] <lucasvo> when I activate it, do I have to restart the browser?
[01:55] <Amaranth> the checkbox doesn't do anything
[01:56] <lucasvo> but?
[01:56] <Amaranth> the entire program is about  1 1/2 months old and half of that was packaging
[01:56] <Amaranth> lots of stuff doesn't do anything :P
[01:56] <lucasvo> oh
[01:57] <Amaranth> login for unfiltered access is a good idea
[01:57] <Amaranth> anyone in the 'admin' group should be able to do that
[02:36] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: what is the bzr address of willow-ng?
[02:36] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/willowng
[02:36] <Amaranth> it might not be for long, my dev subdomain is in need of some cleanup
[02:37] <Burgundavia> ok, this is just for uwn
[02:38] <Amaranth> eek
[02:48] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue8
[02:50] <Amaranth> ah
[02:51] <Amaranth> that's cool, but your missing a newline between SoC projects
[02:51] <Amaranth> alright, now that i've fixed my bash on my server (.bashrc hacking is fun!) time to do some housecleaning
[02:52] <Amaranth> crap, i can't remember how to activate new subdomains
[02:52] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: caught that
[03:10] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: do you know what is new in LTSP?
[03:10] <Amaranth> nope
[03:10] <Amaranth> I've never used it.
[03:10] <Amaranth> I don't run Edubuntu, I just make things. :)
[03:12] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: that makes two of us
[03:24] <gromerotw> Hello there!
[03:25] <Signifer> hey
[03:26] <gromerotw> How are you doing?
[03:27] <Signifer> Awesome
[03:27] <gromerotw> I have a question about setting up edununtu?
[03:27] <gromerotw> Can I post it here?
[03:27] <Signifer> Don't see why not
[03:28] <gromerotw> I'm trying to use wavesurfer 
[03:29] <gromerotw> It works fine on the server but when I try on the client (ltsp)
[03:29] <gromerotw> the sound keep going out from the server's speaker.
[03:30] <gromerotw> The same happen with gnusound
[03:30] <gromerotw> How to fix it?
[03:31] <Signifer> Its thinclient you'd have to run the application on the client...not the server...
[03:32] <Signifer> unless anyone else knows of a better way?
[03:32] <gromerotw> It's ltsp.
[03:33] <gromerotw> The application runs on the server and everything goes out through the client.
[03:33] <Signifer> The xSession goes out through the client
[03:34] <Signifer> http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/4472/4/
[03:34] <Signifer> thats site has a tutorial, i havn't tested that claims it can do what you want...
[03:37] <gromerotw> Ok. Thanks. I will take a look to the tutorials.
[03:40] <Signifer> the wiki also has a tutorial
[03:40] <Signifer> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
[03:41] <Burgundavia> Signifer: the lstp.org version of ltsp is different then ours
[03:41] <Burgundavia> you need to turn on sound in edubuntu
[03:41] <gromerotw> I have read many toturials, they are not helpful in this case.
[03:41] <Burgundavia> I believe ltsp.conf a setting for it
[03:42] <gromerotw> I have sound on the thin client, also xmms is working fine.
[03:42] <Burgundavia> Sound issue fixed by putting the following in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf:
[03:42] <Burgundavia> Code:
[03:42] <Burgundavia> [Default]  SOUND = Tru
[03:42] <gromerotw> It's just that wavesurfer doesn't work.
[03:43] <Signifer> what device is it told to write to?
[03:43] <gromerotw> But if I tried the same setup in redhat 9.0 it works without any problem.
[03:43] <Signifer> :|
[03:43] <gromerotw> I think that I'm missing some package. But what?
[03:45] <Burgundavia> gromerotw: did you do the above fix?
[03:45] <gromerotw> You mean  [Default]  SOUND = Tru?
[03:46] <Burgundavia> yep, well True
[03:46] <gromerotw> Let me check it?
[03:48] <gromerotw> I have in every client SOUND    = Y
[03:48] <gromerotw> but not as [Default] 
[03:48] <Burgundavia> try that
[03:48] <Burgundavia> you might need to restart the clients
[03:49] <gromerotw> Ok. Give me a couple of minutes.
[03:58] <gromerotw> I'm back.
[03:58] <gromerotw> The result is the same.
[03:59] <gromerotw> It is using the server's speaker.
[03:59] <gromerotw> SOUND=true
[04:00] <Burgundavia> gromerotw: hmm, have you tried restarting the ltsp server?
[04:01] <gromerotw> Ok. I will try. I'll be out for a minute
[04:08] <gromerotw> I'm back.
[04:08] <Signifer> and?
[04:08] <gromerotw> The result is the same than before. 
[04:08] <Signifer> did it work?
[04:08] <Signifer> :(
[04:09] <gromerotw> It didn't.
[04:09] <gromerotw> If you have two pcs. and the sound working fine on the thin client.
[04:10] <gromerotw> and you try to install wavesurfer
[04:10] <gromerotw> perhaps you will have the same problem.
[04:11] <gromerotw> But if you try the same setup on redhat 9.0, there will be no problem.
[04:13] <gromerotw> I'm using esd as the sound server in the lts.conf
[04:14] <gromerotw> Is there any way how to restore to normal edubuntu without reinstalling again?
[11:26] <lucasvo> ogra: ltsp-build-client failed
[11:26] <lucasvo> Unpacking xserver-xorg (from .../xserver-xorg_1%3a7.0.22ubuntu7_all.deb) ...
[11:26] <lucasvo> xserver-xorg config warning: failed to infer keyboard layout from layout/lang '10 debian-installer/keymap doesn't exist--10 debian-installer/language doesn't exist'
[11:26] <lucasvo> Server symlink checksum doesn't exist. We need to make it
[11:27] <lucasvo> I'll try again
[12:05] <lucasvo> ogra: failed on second attempt as well :(
[05:07] <wouterl> are the educational pakages in edubuntu also available in other languages (than english) like dutch?
[05:11] <lucasvo> wouterl: quite a lot, I can't say you how much
[05:11] <lucasvo> wouterl: however you can get a list of the applications being translated here:
[05:12] <lucasvo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+lang/nl
[05:12] <lucasvo> however it's not only educational applications
[05:12] <wouterl> thanks !
[05:14] <wouterl> it helped a lot (that link)
[05:15] <lucasvo> wouterl: as you see a huge part has already been translated. you just have to install the language packs
[05:23] <wouterl> thanks for the information, i'm off now
[05:30] <Caraibes> hi all, I have a newbie question :
[05:31] <Caraibes> I am now running Blag (bades on fc5)
[05:31] <Caraibes> I just downloaded edubuntu installl
[05:31] <Caraibes> and want to check md5...
[05:31] <Caraibes> do you know how I could do it ?
[05:43] <lucasvo> Caraibes: md5sum __FILENAME__
[05:44] <Caraibes> thank you, sorry for such a silly question...
[05:44] <lucasvo> np
[07:24] <flint> hi there sports fans!
[07:24] <flint> I need to flip eth0 and eth1 on a system I have running, anybody got any elegant ideas?
[07:27] <Signifer> bios?
[07:29] <flint> Signifer, na, something in /etc/networks and maybe in a bunch of other places as well....
[07:38] <Signifer> works for floppy drives :-P
[07:39] <flint> excellent point...
[07:39] <flint> anyway gotta reboot in another place... later!
[09:13] <flint> anybody know how to set EDD 606 to forward packets?
[10:56] <eugman> Which of the typing programs are available by default on the livecd?
[10:57] <lucasvo> eugman: Ktouch
[10:58] <lucasvo> and I think tuxtype
[10:59] <eugman> Do you think a livecd would be good enough for my mom to learn typing or would a harddrive to save stuff be really needed?
[10:59] <lucasvo> eugman: what machine do you have?
[10:59] <lucasvo> I live cd is slow if there is less then 512mb
[10:59] <lucasvo> 256 are needed tor run it at all
[11:01] <eugman> I've got an old gateway 2000 I was thinking of setting up for her. It will probably end up being too old and I'll have to remaster a lightweight distro.
[11:02] <lucasvo> eugman: I would install Xubuntu
[11:02] <eugman> Do you know if I'd have to remaster it or does it have a typing program installed like gtypist?
[11:03] <lucasvo> eugman: remaster?
[11:03] <lucasvo> eugman: it takes about 4min to install gtypist
[11:04] <eugman> Right, and that would be perfect if I was expecting constant uptime or a computer literate mother.
[11:04] <lucasvo> yes
[11:04] <eugman> That and no internet acess
[11:04] <eugman> So it has to be installed  on the cd itself.
[11:04] <lucasvo> oh, internet may be critical
[11:05] <eugman> Forgot about that for a moment myself.
[11:05] <lucasvo> in that case, download the xubuntu and edubuntu cd, install xubuntu, then add the edubuntu cd as a repository
[11:06] <eugman> Now would running ktouch from xfce defeat the purpose of running xcfe?
[11:06] <lucasvo> eugman: no.
[11:07] <eugman> Would it be possible to make a script file that will install and run the program?
[11:07] <lucasvo> yes
[11:08] <eugman> thanks
[12:11] <pygi> Burgundavia, poke?