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[12:22] <Riddell> Kamion: all 6 latest kubuntu CDs are good to go
[12:22] <Riddell> dapper that is of course
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[12:56] <Burgundavia> fabbione: when you get a chance, you get a logging daemon in ubuntu-laptop?
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[01:18] <Nafallo> gnight
[01:19] <Kamion> mdz: looks like your livefs builds did indeed die, so I've restarted them
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[01:49] <jbailey> Any edgy users here on ppc willing to risk completely ruining their system by testing glibc for me?
[01:49] <jbailey> If you're not so brave as that, a chroot will work too ;)
[01:54] <gnomefreak> :(
[01:55] <gnomefreak> jbailey: no but if you need to ruin an i386 let me know ;)
[01:55] <jbailey> Nah, I can do i386 here. =)
[01:56] <gnomefreak> im lookinjg for things to break so i have a good excuse to reinstall
[02:03] <jbailey> Started the build on i386 in the meantime.
[02:03] <jbailey> But would really like a ppc user to test it.
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[02:32] <zul> you broke it?
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[03:17] <jdub_> mjg59: http://people.redhat.com/krh/plymouth/
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[03:18] <jdub> mjg59: The changes to rhgb replaces all the X server
[03:18] <jdub> startup/hand-holding code and the gtk+ progress screen and just paints
[03:18] <jdub> on the fbdev using cairo.
[03:18] <jdub> 
[03:19] <mjg59> jdub: Pff. Primitive.
[03:23] <jdub> mjg59: should i finally reboot to see how primitive it is compared to ours? :)
[03:23] <mjg59> jdub: Yeah. It might fuck up, but then you can aid debugging
[03:23] <jdub> mjg59: can we use pngs and cairo on ours yet? :)
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[03:32] <jdub> oh man
[03:32] <jdub> i accept tseng's friend request on last.fm
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[03:32] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:32] <jdub> and the next song it plays for me is "we belong together" by mariah carey
[03:32] <jdub> tseng: SABOTAGE!
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[03:33] <jdub> ha ha
[03:33] <tseng> that certainly isnt on my playlist.
[03:33] <Burgundavia> hey Hobbsee
[03:33] <tseng> hey Hobbsee, Burgundavia 
[03:33] <tseng> jdub: Muse!
[03:33] <tseng> rock on
[03:34] <bddebian> Hi Burgundavia
[03:35] <Burgundavia> hey bddebian
[03:35] <stillflame> so i'm working on fixing oem-config stuff, with it silently ignoring invalid usernames, and i am wondering what the policy/proceedure is on having to translate "no underscores or capitol letters" into every language.  pointers?
[03:35] <tseng> isnt that something the translation team would handle?
[03:36] <stillflame> ooo, that sounds promising.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hi Burgundavia, tseng!
[03:36] <stillflame> so then i submit a bug requesting translations?
[03:41] <stillflame> there's the ubuntu-translators list - would sending requests there be appropriate?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> stillflame: is that supposed to be done in rosetta?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> stillflame: i've got no idea
[03:46] <stillflame> hmm.  i'll submit a bug and hope that works :-/
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[04:56] <Kamion> stillflame: I'm currently in the middle of a total restructure of oem-config - http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/oem-config/mainline/
[04:56] <Kamion> not quite working yet but it will be a lot easier to fix that bug there
[04:57] <Burgundavia> mdz: ping (re: -news moderator password)
[04:58] <Kamion> and the messages should just come from user-setup or (possibly) ubiquity - there should be no need to invent new ones for oem-config
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[06:06] <HrdwrBoB> oh. excellent.
[06:07] <HrdwrBoB> looks like xfs 32bit->64bit change ate my filesystem
[06:18] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: that's why it's called xfs
[06:19] <HrdwrBoB> I have 670gb of data in lost and found
[06:19] <HrdwrBoB> and another 700 or so gone
[06:21] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: that is crazy
[06:21] <HrdwrBoB> you're telling me
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[06:57] <stillflame> Kamion: excellent!  i'll happily look around in your code, beta test, and even submit a patch or two.
[07:02] <HrdwrBoB> I take that back though, the data in lost+found is scrambled
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[07:23] <Amaranth> HrdwrBoB: Ouch!
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[11:20] <jdub> rodarvus: ping
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[11:35] <Burgundavia> Kamion: do we have a time frame on Knot 2? I have started work on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyKnot2
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Kamion] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | yes X in edgy is a mess atm | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current Test the 6.06.1 images! |
[01:24] <Kamion> Testing/Current's all cleared out - have at it
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[05:23] <Kamion> Nobody at all willing to help me test the dapper point release?
[05:24] <Kamion> help on amd64 and powerpc especially would be most appreciated
[05:24] <Nafallo> my rabbit destroyed my powercord this morning, sorry :-/
[05:24] <Kamion> see Testing/Current for the test matrix
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[05:28] <Chipzz> hrrrrm
[05:28] <Chipzz> I'm reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Dpkg7Zip
[05:29] <Chipzz> just some random thoughts, I may be talking out of my ass
[05:30] <Chipzz> 1) I thought the compressed file system shared data with the compressed (gzipped) debs... am I correct in this?
[05:30] <Kamion> you mean the live filesystem on the desktop CD?
[05:30] <Chipzz> yes
[05:30] <Kamion> you are entirely wrong, sorry
[05:30] <fabbione> Kamion: i would love too... but i have my hands full of diapers to do proper testing :/
[05:31] <Kamion> fabbione: you're excused :)
[05:31] <Chipzz> 2) I do not know if this matters, but gzip supports random access, while bzip2 does not
[05:31] <Chipzz> not sure about 7zip
[05:31] <Kamion> Chipzz: various people have had random bluesky ideas about sharing space that way but nobody's ever come close to implementing it in a way we could use sanely
[05:31] <fabbione> Chipzz: you don't need random access when unpacking a deb
[05:32] <Chipzz> uhu
[05:32] <Chipzz> that would only be relevant if the compressed fs was to share data with the debs
[05:32] <Chipzz> which is not the case
[05:33] <Chipzz> Kamion: ah, so that's where I got that silly idea from ;)
[05:34] <Chipzz> adding 7zip support to dpkg may be something that may prove hard to get integrated upstream though, I guess
[05:35] <azeem> #
[05:35] <azeem> Created: 2005-11-05 by ScottJamesRemnant
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[05:36] <Chipzz> I doubt the dpkg maintainer would be happy to introduce that dependency :/
[05:36] <fabbione> Chipzz: what are you talking about???
[05:36] <fabbione> Chipzz: the maintainer and upstream are the same person that wrote that specs
[05:37] <fabbione> Chipzz: there is no dependecy. dpkg is statically linked for an amazing amount of good reasons
[05:37] <Chipzz> fabbione: in that case I'm talking out of my ass I guess
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[05:38] <mc44> fabbione: congratulations :) got the baby hacking on X yet? :p
[05:38] <azeem> fabbione: is that a ubuntuism? (statically linked dpkg)
[05:38] <fabbione> mc44: yeps.. he already started working on multihead :)
[05:38] <fabbione> azeem: i am pretty sure it's the same in debian too.
[05:39] <fabbione> azeem: it's a just a matter of "whoops.. libbz2 did break the abi and i can't upgrade or fix anything anymore"
[05:39] <fabbione> azeem: at least.. afaik
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[05:39] <azeem> right, stuff besides glibc is linked statically
[05:40] <mc44> fabbione: ah thats why his middle name is Xinerama? :)
[05:41] <fabbione> mc44: ehhee
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[05:41] <felixw> Hey.  I'd like to create a custom live CD of Dapper Drake with a different default language.
[05:42] <felixw> I've loopback-mountet the ubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso, but I can't find the point where English is defined as default langauge.
[05:42] <felixw> Any ideas where the default language can be changed?
[05:43] <Chipzz> fabbione: I was under the impression some people wanted to keep the base debian install very small; for example, if you look at some of the packages in the base install, some don't even use debconf (while actually they could)
[05:44] <Chipzz> but I should have checked dpkg 's dependencies, indeed
[05:44] <mdke> felixw: you can look on the help wiki, there is some details about customisation. otherwise best to ask in #ubuntu.
[05:44] <fabbione> Chipzz: and how's that related with dpkg with 7zip compression?
[05:44] <felixw> mdke: Thanks!
[05:44] <mdke> felixw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6%2e06?highlight=%28live%29
[05:45] <Chipzz> fabbione: not introducing a dependency (which argument indeed is void, since as you pointed out, dpkg is statically linked)
[05:46] <fabbione> Chipzz: increasing dpkg of 10KB of code is nothing compared to how much the base system is bloated anyway. If you want to reduce the base system size, you start killing other stuff.
[05:46] <fabbione> Chipzz: saving that space in dpkg is not what you are looking for.
[05:47] <Chipzz> fabbione: I'm not against including 7zip support in dpkg ;)
[05:47] <Chipzz> anyway I'll stop wasting your time ;)
[05:47] <Chipzz> and come back when I have something usefull to say ;)
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[05:57] <lfittl> Does anybody have an idea why nvidia-cg-toolkit isn't included in our repositories, although it is in debian unstable since 2004?
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[06:20] <mdz> Kamion: morning, how goes it?
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[06:32] <Kamion> mdz: morning - working my way through i386 tests
[06:33] <Kamion> all good so far
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[06:38] <gnomefreak> Kamion: is there a page on what the install cd installs?
[06:38] <Kamion> ubuntu-standard + ubuntu-desktop + language packs
[06:39] <Kamion> oh ubuntu-minimal as well obviously
[06:39] <gnomefreak> is that same for x,k,ed(ubuntu)
[06:39] <Kamion> obviously not, see their preseed files
[06:39] <gnomefreak> xubuntu-standard ect
[06:39] <gnomefreak> ohok
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[06:39] <Kamion> still the ubuntu-standard package
[06:39] <Riddell> Kamion: new live CD builds?
[06:39] <Kamion> (metapackage)
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[06:40] <Kamion> although there's a xubuntu-standard task for internal convenience reasons
[06:40] <Kamion> Riddell: yes, ubiquity badness needed correcting
[06:40] <Riddell> ok
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[06:40] <Kamion> it's a one-liner in the gtk and kde frontends
[06:41] <Riddell> bummer
[06:42] <Kamion> manifests when you have existing partitions other than ext3, swap, vfat, ntfs, xfs
[06:43] <Kamion> so create a reiserfs filesystem and then start ubiquity and don't touch the reiserfs filesystem but install alongside, and you should be able to duplicate it
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[06:55] <Kamion> mdz: the d-i partitioner hasn't changed, so I'm not going to worry too much about testing all the permutations there
[06:59] <Kamion> and the only part of oem-config that's changed is localechooser, so I only need to test it on one architecture
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[07:57] <fabbione> is anybody aware of the refresh problems in edgy?
[07:57] <fabbione> seems to be gtk/gnome specific..
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[08:08] <zul> fabbione: i think there wassome pango problems recently with amd64
[08:09] <fabbione> i am on i386
[08:09] <Nafallo> WTF! is away-msg standard in xchat or something?
[08:09] <fabbione> but i guess it's a similar problem?
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[08:09] <zul> i guess so
[08:12] <fabbione> it's not libpango
[08:13] <fabbione> i can't even read emails to check -changes
[08:25] <gnomefreak> Kamion: you still here?
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[09:00] <kozz> was wondering if someone could help me with a sponsored upload for mkvmlinuz, fixes https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mkvmlinuz/+bug/53460
[09:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53460 in mkvmlinuz "mkvmlinuz fails to create kernel" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[09:00] <kozz> http://www.kozz.org/files/ubuntu/mkvmlinuz/
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[09:04] <Riddell> Kamion: all current kubuntu dapper desktop CDs good (and alternate CDs still good)
[09:20] <Kamion> Riddell: thanks
[09:24] <gnomefreak> Kamion: did you need the logs for bug 55214?
[09:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55214 in ubiquity "installer crash during "Creating user"" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55214
[09:25] <gnomefreak> i saw somehting that concered me in it wanted to check to make sure
[09:25] <kozz> Kamion: would it be possible to also include a compressed kernel on the cd?
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[09:26] <kozz> like the one from breezy called vmlinuz-chrp.initrd
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[10:11] <Kamion> gnomefreak: /var/log/syslog would be useful, but even in its absence I don't want the bug closed
[10:11] <Kamion> kozz: we had to remove that for space reasons, I'm afraid; sorry
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[10:26] <crimsun> Kamion: Please demote linuxsampler to multiverse. Its README lists an exception to the GPL: "This software is distributed under the GNU General Public License (see COPYING file), and may not be used in commercial applications without asking the authors for permission." The relevant BTS # is Debian 328121.
[10:26] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 328121 in linuxsampler "Subject: linuxsampler: Inconsistent and non DFSG free license" [Grave,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/328121
[10:28] <Kamion> crimsun: can you file a bug on the package and subscribe ubuntu-archive please?
[10:28] <crimsun> Kamion: surely, thank you.
[10:28] <Kamion> the above is actually non-distributable - it's not internally consistent with the GPL
[10:28] <Kamion> (hm, not sure about that)
[10:29] <Kamion> (it depends whether they're using any GPLed code not written by them - if it's all written by them then they can do what the like)
[10:30] <Kamion> crimsun: reading that bug, it's been removed from Debian, so there's some argument that we should remove it too if we're not willing to support it ourselves
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[10:41] <kozz> Kamion: do even the alternative cd has space problems?
[10:44] <Kamion> kozz: all our CDs have space problems of one kind or another - it's hard to cram an operating system, lots of applications, and lots of language support onto one CD these days
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[11:18] <kozz> Kamion: yeah, i'm sure they have... the thing is that for the pegasos it is only possible to boot a compressed kernel with the ramdisk in the same file. or teoretically use grub2 but that's still to much beta
[11:19] <kozz> Kamion: but the dvd should have plenty of space, right?
[11:22] <Kamion> right, I realise it's difficult for pegasos users, but there are just too many things competing for that space at the moment :(
[11:23] <Kamion> I thought it was on the DVD, but apparently not - I think it's because the kernel just doesn't build that file at the moment
[11:23] <Kamion> hmm, maybe not, it should be d-i's job
[11:23] <Kamion> oh, that was it, our kernel images don't currently ship the files mkvmlinuz needs
[11:24] <Kamion> which is not something I can fix - needs to be done by the kernel maintainers
[11:26] <Kamion> you may be able to get updated firmware for the pegasos to let you run yaboot
[11:27] <Kamion> which I think is a better solution long-term; having to munge the images into lots of different formats isn't really sustainable
[11:27] <Kamion> anyway, the kernel issue is bug 34306
[11:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34306 in linux-source-2.6.15 "all powerpc kernel images should install additional utilities" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34306
[11:28] <kozz> the new version of mkvmlinuz works
[11:28] <kozz> after https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mkvmlinuz/+bug/53460
[11:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53460 in mkvmlinuz "mkvmlinuz fails to create kernel" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[11:29] <kozz> so bug 34306 is a bit old
[11:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34306 in linux-source-2.6.15 "all powerpc kernel images should install additional utilities" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34306
[11:29] <Kamion> ah
[11:29] <Kamion> ok, can you leave a comment correcting me in that bug?
[11:30] <Kamion> I'll apply your mkvmlinuz patch shortly when I'm not in the middle of a dapper CD image test
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[11:31] <kozz> but I agree with you, not good to have different solutions for the kernel, the best solution imho is to use grub2 for all platforms
[11:31] <kozz> but that will take a time until it is mature enough
[11:36] <Kamion> Riddell: could you fill your test results into Testing/Current please?
[11:36] <Kamion> just so that I have them
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[11:45] <Kamion> kozz: ok, thanks for the mkvmlinuz patch! uploading now
[11:45] <Kamion> pretty sure that -fno-stack-protector is the way to go for now at least
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