[12:18] nixternal: ping? [12:18] pongers [12:21] hmmm [12:21] PONG? [12:21] hehe [12:21] nixternal: we got a couple things in Edubuntu [12:21] nixternal: gee whizz, gimme a sec [12:21] cool..im workin' on edubuntu and looking through the list now [12:21] we need to get all this into the Fridge somehow! [12:22] doing the UWN from scratch is nuts..plus nobody is contributing to the other pages what so ever [12:22] nixternal: Edubuntu has 2 newish Canonical employees and a new Artist-in-Chief [12:22] yup [12:22] and RichEd [12:22] ;) [12:23] RichEd, rodarvus, and AliasVegas [12:24] nixternal: do you have a rough draft of UWN? [12:25] it is on the site now [12:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter [12:25] #8 [12:25] im working in kwrite and copying over [12:26] i hate working with ff and the wiki..as sometime switching from window to window results in data loss for me [12:27] Laser_away: do you have any announcements for rodarvus and AliasVegas? [12:27] hmm, not really [12:27] it was all in Edubuntu meetings [12:28] ok, RichEd is Canonical...who else was Canonical and who is the new AIC [12:29] rodarvus, the new X maintainer. [12:29] by process of elimination the latter's obvious :] [12:29] AIC is AliasVegas who did the Edubuntu "homies" wallpaper [12:29] Rodrigo Novo is the new X maintainer for Edubuntu, is he Canonical or volunteer? [12:29] Canonical [12:29] roger that [12:29] and he is X maintainer and Edubuntu Technical lead [12:31] nixternal: do you also want "New Apps in Edgy" for Edubuntu? [12:32] sure [12:43] ? [12:43] hang on, I'm scanning edgy-changes ;-) [12:44] lol [12:44] just the big ones really..no need for more then 5 i would think [12:44] willow* [12:45] willowng (new content filter for SoC project), KDE Edu (3.5.3), LTSP [12:45] pony [12:45] opps, KDE Edu 3.5.4 [12:45] perhaps also mention the pygtk "version of kalzium" [12:46] hehe, the one that isn't done and only started a couple days ago? [12:46] ;-) [12:46] but yeah [12:46] that would be a cool, work in progress kinda thing [12:47] it's tentatively called gallium [12:48] speaking of Edubuntu, i am setting up a couple new systems... my neice & nephew got a free gateway computer...and it needs rebuilding...they are getting Edubuntu...and my daughter, I bought her a brand new laptop this week and installed Edubuntu on it for her [12:48] apparently therecool [12:48] she got a new laptop, and im still using a celeron 700 ;( [12:48] darn it [12:48] I need to just go away [12:49] haha [12:49] my typing stinks today [12:49] crimsun: how bad is it if there is another Linux project with the same name? [12:49] name collisions are frowned upon. [12:50] the later project generally respects the original's. [12:50] stink [12:50] why? [12:50] it's a Carbon emulator for X [12:50] http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/gallium/ [12:51] I really like gallium for our pygtk periodic table project [12:51] it's very easily renamed to gallium-chem. [12:51] or gallium-periodic [12:51] or ... [12:52] hmm === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:00] UWN is missing stuff for "Ubuntu" now and thats about it...any takers? or at least point me to something that should be added ;) [01:00] nixternal: new packages? beaglefs just got uploaded. Have you covered the telepathy stuff? what about the galago stuff? [01:01] the security thing? [01:01] i haven't gotten anything for Ubuntu yet [01:01] just Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Edubuntu [01:01] the ubuntu will destroy redhat and retort [01:01] plus some "Community News" [01:01] nixternal: those are ideaas [01:01] beaglefs for dapper or edgy? [01:02] has OOo 2.0.3 been released yet? [01:02] i see it is uploaded for Dapper [01:02] edgy and no [01:02] k [01:02] ah, the upcoming .1 release [01:11] nixternal: for KDE-edu s/Educational/Edutainment/ [01:11] ahhh..gotcha [01:11] i swear KDE.org says educational, but i do remember edutainment ;) [01:12] nixternal: also maybe LTSP 0.93 rather than just LTSP as LTSP itself isn't a new app [01:13] it's just that there has been a lot of cool work on it lately by ogra [01:13] gotcha [01:13] anyway, I gotta go back away (working on putting in sprinkler system in back yard) [01:14] fun [01:14] lord knows you need to water all that sand in nevada ;) [01:15] nixternal: do you need someone to write up those ideas? [01:15] i think i got it Burgundavia, but if you want ;) [01:16] nixternal: I am working on my room, being a giant disaster, but I can put a little in. Writing happening on the wiki? [01:16] gonna work on it here in a sec ;) [01:16] i got it Burgundavia, i just needed topics, i can come up with some filler...i am putting it up for review prior to release anyways ;) [01:17] ok, I will dig into it later then [01:18] nixternal: have you run your classroom thingy? [01:18] ya, did that today [01:18] how did it go? [01:18] actually a heck of a lot better than i ever expected [01:18] how about writing up a quick thing on that? [01:18] 90+ [01:18] i already got that in there [01:18] got the "Classroom" and the "MOTU School" in there [01:19] i think it is good for general news...just needed some Ubuntu specifics [01:21] galago new to edgy? [01:22] i have no idea what song/metal thrash i listened to, but i feel like jumping off the sears tower now ;) [01:22] yes [01:22] yes i should jump, or yes to galago new to edgy? [01:23] yes to the latter, we prefer if you stay alive [01:23] less work for us ;) [01:23] haha [01:23] gee thanks ;) [01:26] (worst Alan Jackson ever, btw) [01:26] what? === nixternal is listening to "I'd Love You All Over Again" by Alan Jackson on The Greatest Hits Collection [Amarok] [01:26] hahaha [01:26] arg, is my stupid kopete sending stuff again? [01:26] yes. [01:26] rofl [01:27] i thought that was a coincidence for a second [01:33] nixternal: what is your timetable for UWN? [01:33] less than an hour before it needs proofing [01:33] im finishing up some minor details [01:33] thank god for Riddell on this one!!! [01:34] he did 90% of it prior...im just adding some Ubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xubuntu related stuff...he covered Kubuntu..plus a couple "Press Releases" [01:34] ok [01:34] I will flesh out some stuff when you are done [01:35] thanks! [01:37] Do third party things qualify for mention? [01:38] f.ex a couple of people have been working on new menus, one a port of the SLED slab, one inspired by it [01:38] depends on whether it is Ubuntu or not ;) [01:38] It's Ubuntu, but it's from forums/in other peoples repositories [01:38] although [01:38] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-slab [01:39] Burgundavia: i am saving now, you are free to attack it when you are ready [01:41] sweet, Viper is rocking on slab...i hadn't realized just how much he had completed! [01:45] mentioned Skype with ALSA being available yet? That was a while ago [01:46] Plug: not really relevant to the ubuntu weekly news [01:48] fair enough [01:50] when it is in the canonical repos, yep [01:57] nixternal: please check the new apps section now [01:58] good deal..thanks! [01:59] that was just the beginning [02:23] nixternal: hmm, this is more challengin than expected [02:23] lol [02:23] there is a fair amount that needs to be done to make this better [02:23] im watching the ubuntu video of mark and mako in brazil at debconf [02:24] that must be old [02:24] hehe ya [02:24] hmm, In this Issue should list all the major headings, yet is doesn't [02:24] are you enjoying the UWN? [02:25] is that rhetorical? [02:25] #7, i got bitched at for having to much info, and then people saying good job...all i can say, is it is impossible to get it "right" [02:25] you got bitched at for being too big? [02:28] ya [02:28] right [02:28] who said that? [02:29] lets see..the complaints were: "to much info", "unprofessional", and such [02:29] arg...gotta take care of the stinkin' doorbell [02:29] brb [02:30] right === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-211-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:33] alrighty [02:33] food has arrived ;) [02:34] i think for the UWN to continue...we need 4 things..and we have 1 already, and that is Riddell, as he always gets the Kubuntu stuff in there correctly. [02:34] but it would be nice to get Ubuntu dev/leader, Edubuntu dev/leader, and Xubuntu dev/leader to submit their stuff. [02:35] this makes the UWN easy to do and get out quicker [02:35] all someone has to do is go through, add some community news, proof it, and send it iout [02:35] or... [02:36] create a UWN mailing list, and have people submit news...oh wait, we have that..it is the fridge ;) [02:36] I am adding some stuff, will do some editing [02:37] just added a section on soc [02:38] ya, SoC has been quiet recently...good to get some news out for them [02:38] im gonna grab some food..i will bbiaf === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:47] nixternal: I am going to merge all the latest packages information into one [02:51] rock with it! [02:53] how do I force a newline without using *? [02:54] enter [02:54] i don't know of a
like tag [02:59] arg..manicka left...do we need "Author's Permission" when transfering from UDSF to Wiki? [03:00] no, because their stuff is under a liberal license [03:00] cool [03:00] i can wipe some of them out tonight then === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:18] nixternal: take a peek now, I think I am done [03:18] manicka: i will probably go through and do some of the UDSF transfers tonight, as long as I don't need author's permission...i may seek permission for forum stuff on a couple however [03:18] roger that Burgundavia ;) [03:19] NICE !!! [03:19] i really like the top layout so far with the "Educating" and "SoC" headlines [03:19] nixternal, mdke wants original author's permission on all pages [03:20] UDSf pages are forum pages effectively [03:20] alrighty then [03:20] i will grab a couple of pages and seek permission then if that is alright [03:20] go right ahead :) [03:22] cool...on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum/import should there be a column for the person working on it so it doesn't get worked on by more then 1 person? [03:22] nixternal: I think we should get another pair of eyes on it and then I think we can go live [03:22] crimsun: wake up and start reading ;) [03:22] I'm at work, dude. [03:22] Burgundavia: crimsun did it in the past..since he is a professor and all ;) [03:22] hahahaha [03:23] crimsun: I do Ubuntu stuff at work and so can you ;) [03:23] hehe [03:23] Burgundavia: all of my Ubuntu work has been done "at work". [03:23] *grin* [03:23] I just pull these 23-hr days and junk. [03:24] my thought was that you would indicate that you have sought permission, then indicate when you have it. Perhaps a column indicating that you will wikify it is a good idea [03:24] hehe || Wikifier || [03:24] or maybe you could notate that in one of the other columns [03:24] the first one perhaps [03:25] whatever, either way works for me [03:25] cool [03:26] maybe an extra column isn't a good idea, since it runs off the page at 1024x768 [03:26] ok [03:26] maybe i can give it some table love though with some tips 'n' tricks moinmoin style [03:26] sounds good :) [03:27] i will figure it out ;) [03:27] i think better half asleep anyways..so i still have a few hours to go b4 that kicks in [03:27] my moin moin is pretty basic at the moment, more of a mediawiki guy [03:28] mediawiki was on CNN or MSNBC today [03:28] i can't remember [03:28] it is the largest CMS/Wiki system, and the most popular they say [03:28] however, i have only used moinmoin [03:29] i take that back..i have used mediawiki, for LUG [03:29] I've used it a lot in my former life as a UDSF maintainer [03:29] Burgundavia: i made sure though that KDE finally got an App added in the Feature of the week [03:29] however, maybe a little repository info should be added to it as well [03:30] you'll see my name as the archiver on many UDSf pages [03:30] i have already [03:30] looks like you have been busy [03:31] *were... past tense [03:31] so UDSF = done? [03:31] long story, but I no longer participate there [03:31] ahhh [03:31] UDSf is and will be an ongoing effort [03:31] nixternal: do you have a URL for me? [03:31] i remember reading over conversations between you and mdke here [03:32] of course crimsun [03:32] nixternal: you mean in universe/main/etc.? [03:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue8 [03:32] ya Burgundavia, so they know they need the repos in order to install it [03:32] ok, go nuts [03:32] not editing right now, eating dinner [03:32] i will hit it after crimsun tears it apart [03:32] it's all worked out well in the long run. I've wanted to get this something like this happening for a long time [03:33] ya, it would be nice to get every piece of docs in one location and make it easy to search/locate it [03:34] agreed :) [03:35] that list contains every suitable page (that I could see) form the UDSF Dapper section and other forum threads that they have targeted for future wikifying [03:36] it is a good list, and im sure it will continue to grow [03:50] || Nominated UDSF Page or Forum Thread || Permission || Wikifier || New Page || [03:51] || http://blah blah blah.com || Yes or No || RichJohnson || WikiPage || [03:51] that is an option [03:52] actually...i like the way it is with the "Permission Sought" and "Obtained"..that way there we can display whether the author approved it or not [03:52] i think that is important to see [03:57] crimsun: you still digging away there? [03:57] yes [04:11] ok, proofed [04:11] please make sure you spell Riddell's first name correctly! [04:12] (correct it if it's incorrect; I only adjusted for inconsistency) [04:12] ->work [04:12] heh [04:12] Jonathan... [04:15] hey guess what [04:15] Ice Cream Time!!! === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.118.156.188] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:31] nixternal: UWN is currently yours [04:32] woohoo [04:32] i will add some finishing touches to the "kdict" feature and get it out [04:32] however, i can't post to the news list at all [04:32] so i will post it on every other mailing list, as well as get it up on the fridge asap [04:34] nixternal: you can't post on news? [04:34] I can moderate that [04:35] no i can't [04:35] i can post on the fridge though ;) [04:35] post anyway I will moderate it through [04:36] ok [04:46] sent! [04:58] good deal Burgundavia, another UWN done and out of th way [04:58] nixternal: shall we start into a Knot2 report, ala mgalvin? [04:58] lol...i just got a UWN email from the newslist, and it is weird [04:58] you would, but it appears my moderator password is not working [04:58] well, i have the kubuntu ones i have been working on..actually just knot 1 so far === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:59] hiya rob [04:59] From: [04:59] "JiaBin Huang" [04:59] hi nixternal [04:59] [04:59] Thanks. [04:59] that is the email ;) [04:59] how did that get on the list [05:00] i haven't even gotten the bounce message yet, letting me know it is waiting for moderation [05:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue8 [05:11] nixternal: I thought the new format was to merge all the "new apps stuff into one section" [05:12] who knows Burgundavia, but i like the way it looks now [05:12] i just use the "template" mgalvin created [05:12] uhh, 8 is going out as the new style [05:12] i haven't read anything about the layout being set in stone [05:13] ok, v9 changed [05:13] hehe [05:14] change the template as well i guess [05:15] i wonder if i should just go ahead and publish the UWN story i posted on the fridge...you want to look that over really quick and publish it if you can? [05:15] I have no access to teh fridge [05:16] interesting [05:19] never asked for it === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === johnlittle [n=john@adsl-70-241-136-244.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:37] Hi [05:37] johnlittle: hey, I think it would be great to fold your video aggregation into help.ubuntu.com [05:37] How would that work? [05:38] you are currently just hosting flash files, right? [05:38] do you create them yourself? [05:38] I'm not even hosting them. They are flash embeds [05:38] ah, ok [05:38] ok [05:38] then it is pretty simpe [05:38] Nope..they are all available on video hubs like YouTube and Google Video === rjian [n=mypurple@203.87.182.102] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:41] johnlittle: first is a little thing: can you not link to the ubuntuguide and doc.gwos and instead link to help.ubuntu.com? [05:41] on your get-ubuntu website [05:41] plus you should link to ubuntu.com/desktop and /server [05:41] Ok [05:42] thanks [05:43] the documentation team enough trouble with non-official resources, especially the ubuntuguide [05:44] They're useful but I see where you're coming from [05:45] johnlittle, you have a nice site? .... link? [05:45] http://www.ubuntuvideo.com [05:46] johnlittle: long term, I am going to see if we can get some hosting on an official server, with downloads in ogg as well as flash [05:47] That would be useful if there's success in getting more videos created [05:48] johnlittle, where are you from? [05:48] getting videos created often means "if you build it, they will come" [05:48] Houston, Tx USA [05:49] Theres an advantage in leveraging YouTube in Google though..both in logistics and marketing. It's good to have the videos distributed far and wide as long as you can create a central hub [05:49] YouTube and Google..typo [05:50] ubuntu-news list run by corey.burger at ubuntu.com [05:50] hahah, and you don't remember your password [05:51] man..i wish i could get nixternal@ubuntu.com and kubuntu.org changed to rich.johnson or richard.johnson @.... [05:51] looks better when you are dealing with "Corporate" people [05:52] why? [05:52] just register rich.johnson as an LP account. [05:53] Burgundavia: Changes made to Get Ubuntu [05:53] nixternal: or ping an admin to get the alias configured [05:53] who admins that crimsun? [05:53] no idea tbh [05:53] I would have said elmo a year ago [05:53] i will ask Riddell later, i think he knows [05:54] perhaps znarl or spads? [05:54] johnlittle: looks good, but I meant to link to ubuntu.com/desktop and /server, not the download locations [05:54] znarl might be one of them actually [05:54] ya [05:54] maybe say learn about ubuntu on the desktop/server [05:54] ah k [05:55] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-August/000046.html [05:55] i don't remember typing that ;) [05:56] nixternal: ok, that is very odd [05:57] people said they got the email too about the UWN..nalioth to be exact [05:57] Burgundavia: Done [05:57] johnlittle: perfect, thanks === mpt__ [n=mpt@203.118.156.188] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:02] Burfundavia: Anything else you can think of? [06:02] heh..oops [06:04] johnlittle: not currently. If you could post to the -doc list about what you are doing, tht woudl be great [06:06] Burgundavia: I can do that [06:10] johnlittle: oh, the -doc LP group is for people who have commit access to our repo. But you can freely post to the mailing list without having that membership [06:10] Burgundavia: Yeah I noticed that right after I hit join. Disregard [06:11] Burgundavia: Sry [06:11] ya Burgundavia, how come i never became a doc member on the lp ;) [06:11] you guys don't like me..been on the waiting list for 2 months [06:12] the small print at the bottom says "No Hippies" [06:12] lol, I've been waiting at least 6 [06:12] hehe [06:12] right now i give all my patches to jonathan jesse to upload [06:12] and now that I am working on the switching guide...he is going to hate me [06:13] i haven't done a patch in a while... i just send theme to the list [06:14] nixternal: because you still use the wrong de ;) [06:14] seriously, it is because you don't bug us enought [06:15] hehe [06:15] go firgure [06:15] Burgundavia: i think i bugged you all more then enough when working ont he wiki...i remember everyone emailing me back saying, please don't let us know any more..just do it ;) [06:16] Burgundavia: if it makes you happy, my Edubuntu box runs GNOME :) [06:16] doesn't count [06:17] hehe [06:17] ok..i will install Ubuntu Edgy on my other machine [06:17] there is KDE-edu on that [06:17] i need to actually [06:17] lol [06:17] which btw I am checking out for Edgy [06:17] KDE Edutainment ;) [06:23] i figured out that goofy issue btw with the news list...i signed the email i sent to the list..so i just sent a new one w/o signing it [06:23] if you look at the archives now, it looks ok [06:24] nixternal: I no longer see an august archive [06:24] that is odd [06:24] i see it just fine [06:24] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-August/000047.html [06:24] there is the new post [06:25] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-August/ [06:25] there is the august archive [06:25] nixternal: you tagged that with your sig [06:25] arg [06:26] i forgot to delete that [06:26] no biggie [06:26] heh, i remember it the first time, but signed it with gpg, and this time i remove gpg and leave the sig [06:26] i can't win for loosing ;) [06:32] anyone up for teaching some xchat tomorrow say around 01:00 UTC? [06:34] Burgundavia: I sent the intro to the docs list [06:34] perfect [06:45] Looking forward to that screencast nixternal :) [06:45] sorry nixternal, I'll be at work [06:47]