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johnlittleyo01:38
nixternalhey johnlittle01:42
johnlittlethanks for the digg01:42
nixternali really enjoy the blog page you did with the video stuff...excellent!01:42
nixternalno problem, it was well worth it01:42
johnlittleThanks..wish I had time to do more..but it's a start01:42
nixternalya, but a darn good start!01:42
johnlittleI hope it inspires a few people to make more videos01:43
nixternalhopefully it will, and maybe some pimpage on the fridge if possible01:44
johnlittleOhh pimpage is good. That reminds me. I need to link the fridge01:45
nixternali can see the potential for http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ to get absorbed somehow into the community...as it is good stuff01:45
johnlittleI'm open to that. Whatever works. I'd really like to see some create a series of official videos. I think that should be part of the marketing effort.01:48
johnlittlesee some = see someone01:48
Burgundaviawhiprush: you around?01:51
johnlittleI linked your blog as well nix. Feel free to suggest good ubuntu blogs of links for the site. I can add more.01:55
nixternalanybody on planet.ubuntu.com, universe,kubuntu.de and such..there are some good blogs there02:01
johnlittleYeah I'll have to surf around. I;m reading Planet Ubuntu now02:03
Burgundaviajohnlittle: there is a great deal of interest in video creation02:11
Burgundaviathere was a comment on -ca over the last few days02:11
johnlittleThat's good to hear. I've been pushing ubuntu on my political blog for quite some time (most of my readers dont care but..) and it's the videos that finally got some of them to switch,02:12
johnlittleJust talking about linux is too abstract for most people...videos cut through a lot of that02:13
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johnlittleVery cool idea: http://moosy.blogspot.com/2005/05/powered-by-suse-linux-hot.html03:41
johnlittleProbably not worth spending money on (unless you're novell) but cool03:41
nixternalheh, that is cool03:44
BurgundaviaI believe jenda did some stickers03:44
nixternalya, but those are to replace the "Made for Windows XP" or whatever stickers03:45
nixternalgive me a bunch of those, and i will have fun at CompUSA ;)03:45
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johnlittlelol03:54
nixternali already replaced the default home pages on the "CompUSA" network in Schaumburg Illinois to point at http://www.ubuntu.com03:55
nixternalit has been their default page now for almost 2 or 3 weeks03:55
johnlittleThey probably don't now how to change it back03:56
johnlittleknow03:56
nixternalthats what they get for allowing me access to their super secure Microsoft AD with Group Policies that don't work03:56
nixternalthey work now however, cuz i fixed it...as a customer ;)03:56
johnlittleBill them03:56
nixternallol, i should03:56
nixternalhowever, i don't think my access was legal truthfully03:57
Burgundaviaalmost certainly not03:57
nixternali didn't do damage at all..i made their policy work03:57
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Burgundaviaregardless, courts have generally not been favourable to those who do stupid stuff, even if it wasn't malicious03:57
rjianHello people03:57
johnlittlehiya03:58
nixternalthats the truth ;)03:58
Burgundaviawhere is jenda again?03:58
nixternali used to work for CompUSA as Tech VP a few years back...they could care less as it is..as they are slowly sinking away03:58
rjianhello Burgundavia03:58
Burgundavianixternal: as in Technical Vice President?03:59
nixternaljenda is on a sabatical i think...he is out of town work related03:59
nixternalsomething similar yes Burgundavia...actually it is the Technical Department Vice Prez03:59
nixternali had the midwest operations03:59
nixternalmy business card says...04:00
nixternalRichard A. Johnson04:00
nixternalMidwest Operations04:00
rjianHello Nixternal04:00
nixternalTechnical Division, Vice President04:00
nixternalhi rjian04:00
nixternalthat was a cool job04:00
johnlittleGet it baxk so you can secretly install ubuntu on all outgoing pcs04:01
rjianNixternal: ur a Yechinical Division Vice President?04:01
nixternali was04:01
nixternalnow im a Ubuntu Hippy ;)04:01
rjianNixternal: hmm really im also a beginners user on ubuntu04:02
nixternalfunny thing i noticed though..is i left there in 2003/2004...and i don't see Linux at all on their shelves anymore04:02
johnlittlelol i mentioned ubuntu a couple of weeks ago and a guy called me a hippy04:02
johnlittleNo linux at best buy either04:02
nixternalhowever, there are pics from Ubuntu Chicago placing Ubuntu CDs next to the MS Windows OS boxes on various store shelves04:03
nixternalwe got Circuit City, Best Buy, CompUSA, and some other small shops04:03
nixternalFry's sells Linspire at least04:03
johnlittleWhat we need is a CD in a plastic sleeve with a peel and stick backing..so people can attach them to magazine covers at barnes and noble04:03
nixternalpeople loved it that worked there, and promised to hand out Ubuntu CDs for us to customers04:04
Burgundaviajohnlittle: that might be construed as vandalism04:04
nixternalactually, that is a job of the marketing team, as Ubuntu Australia LoCo has already been getting CDs added to magazines04:04
johnlittleYeah..to clarify I was joking04:05
nixternalall the team has to do is email the magazine with info on downloading the cd, and getting the magazine interested in it04:05
nixternalya Burgundavia is right there...we made sure it was alright for management that we did that04:06
nixternalBest Buy was the only place that wouldn't allow the CDs to stay, but didn't mind us taking pictures, as long as you couldn't tell it was Best Buy04:06
nixternalwe did label the "GeekSquad" car with stickers though ;)04:07
nixternalthat was deserving, i don't care who says it was wrong ;)04:07
nixternalso if you are in the Naperville, IL area and see a Geek Squad beetle, look on the back licence plate cover for the Ubuntu sticker04:07
johnlittlelol04:07
nixternalout little stunts however got over 100 people at the last Linux Install Fest at the College of DuPage this week04:08
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johnlittlethats the thing about stickers...never know where they'll wind up04:08
nixternals/out/our04:08
johnlittlethats an impressive turnout04:08
nixternalheh, you know how bands put their stickers on the taco bell, mcdonalds and what not drive through speakers?04:09
nixternalwe did that as well04:09
nixternalya it is impressive, considering there is usually 10 to 20 people at most ever show up04:09
nixternalI gave away a total of 120 CDs i think04:09
johnlittleany women show uo?04:09
johnlittleup04:09
nixternalactually, we had about 15 women total04:10
nixternal3 or 4 were professors iirc04:10
johnlittlethats better than none04:11
nixternalya, i actually found out via my x-wife about chicago having a "Linux Chix" club04:11
nixternalmy x is in Linux Chix Washington, DC04:11
nixternalor is a Linux Chix04:12
nixternali can't remember how that goes exactly04:12
johnlittleI think it'd be really cool to have a linux video series with a young female hostess...the typical linux is supposed to be the comic book guy fromt he simpsons04:13
johnlittletypical linux user04:13
nixternalhehe04:13
nixternaltime for some Ice Cream!!!04:15
nixternalbbiaf04:15
johnlittleubuntu has already made progress in addressing all the stereotypes04:15
johnlittleenjoy04:15
johnlittleNice to see Ubuntu World leading the fridge poll04:18
johnlittleDoes anyone know how the Ubuntu magazine will be produced - funded - dsitributed? I haven't seen much on the mechanics04:21
johnlittleDistributed04:21
Burgundaviano, nothing04:22
Burgundaviathere isn't even any content04:22
johnlittleProducing a magaine..and getting it into stores..is costly and difficult04:24
rjianBurgundavia: Im planning to have a publication on our organization on school maybe ill be putting also there some Ubuntu News or something... hehe04:24
johnlittleman..i can't type tonight04:24
Burgundaviarjian: if you have anything, the fridge is always a good place as well04:29
nixternalinteresting..jdub is doin' the moin thing04:30
Burgundavianixternal: moin thing?04:30
nixternal#moin04:30
nixternaldidn't see him join anywhere else04:30
nixternalactually..i haven't seen him online in a while04:31
Burgundavianixternal: he is blinking in an out on #gnome-hackers and -devel as well04:31
nixternalfigures gnome-hackers ;)04:31
johnlittleYou got me thinking about icecream now nix04:33
nixternalit was good04:33
johnlittleTime to hit the coffee shop down the street for some pistachio ice cream04:34
nixternalooh..i love pistachio ice cream04:36
johnlittleit's pretty tasty :)04:43
johnlittleI'm reading the Ubuntu Magazine charter - is it purely an online initiative?04:51
johnlittleI was thinking print but it appears to be a website04:53
nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue805:02
johnlittleThe Xubuntu artwork for edgy is looking sweet05:08
johnlittlenice job on the newsletter05:09
nixternalthank you, and thanks big time to Burgundavia and Jonathan Riddell!!!05:11
johnlittleI tweaked the "get Ubuntu" page to include some of those links05:18
johnlittlehttp://www.ubuntuvideo.com/get-ubuntu/05:18
johnlittleahh think I will add planet ubuntu to the community links05:18
rjianwats the site about?05:19
johnlittlethe one I linked?05:19
rjianyup05:20
johnlittleUbuntu Video is a portal that collects interesting (I hope) ubuntu user videos05:20
johnlittletutorials, demos, and stuff05:20
rjianwow nice design05:20
rjianehhe05:20
rjianu make it?05:20
johnlittleYeah - can't take much credit for the design - its a tweaked wordpress blog template05:21
rjianah.. ok a blog templates hmm nice one05:22
johnlittleOnly a few hours worth of design and code changes..pretty minor05:22
rjianyeah i also match the ubuntu site05:23
rjian:)05:23
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johnlittleon your blog?05:27
rjiani mean ur blog also match on ubuntu website05:30
johnlittleI originally wanted to match it completely but figured that would probably make someone unhappy and I didn't want people to mistake it for something official05:31
rjianbuts its a nice attractive website or a blog u have05:33
Burgundaviajohnlittle: are you doing help videos?05:33
johnlittlerijan: thanks05:34
johnlittleBurgundavia" producing them myself? No. I going to stick to encouraging others to make them.,05:34
nixternallol05:35
Burgundaviajohnlittle: can you join #ubuntu-doc?05:36
johnlittleI can manage Ubuntu Video pretty easily but I'm not a video wiz and have a ton of other projects working right now.05:36
johnlittleI'm there05:37
rjianBurgundavia: can i also join?05:39
Burgundaviarjian: of course. all channels are open05:39
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johnlittlewb06:34
rjianhello johnlittle06:36
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elkbuntuwho killed teh wiki?07:42
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johnlittleWiki si working08:13
johnlittleis08:13
nixternal_not any more ;)08:18
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adamant1988hey all09:00
johnlittleHi09:06
adamant1988sorry I haven't been about much guys, I've been pretty busy with work and all09:08
johnlittleI think everyone struggles with that09:09
johnlittlephone..bbiaf09:09
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elkbuntuompaul, ping09:41
ompaulmorning09:41
elkbuntuyou think i should create MarketingTeam/Research on the wiki and move the survey scope to that page, so research in general has a hub?09:43
elkbuntus/to that page/to be under that page/09:43
ompaulI have a huge issue with market research - it is supposed to define a product09:45
ompaulwe have a product - it is shiney09:45
ompaulwe need marketing materials - stuff that informs people about what we have09:45
ompaulwe have a wiget in search of a market09:45
elkbuntuwe need to know what the marketing tool should pimp most09:46
ompaulnow elkbuntu if you were beside me I would pour you a cup of tea - that is brilliant09:46
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elkbuntuhehe09:47
ompaulthat would be what I would call an end game09:47
ompaulin saying that, reading that comment last evening on the mailing list09:47
elkbuntuthats one of the priorities of the surveys though, finding what bits we should put under neon lights, as well as gather data that could be useful to not only us, other teams as well09:48
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ompaulsorry but as you know someone here is getting on a plane soon last minute - please do jobs list -09:52
ompaul:-)09:52
ompaulthe comment about get it through on the third attempt09:53
ompaulit is placing ubuntu in that space that will make the difference :)09:53
ompaulanyway I must be off09:54
elkbuntuok, have fun wherever you're going09:54
johnlittleback..sorta10:03
ompaultraffic light, rain light, petrol up two cent on Friday11:41
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ompaul1.219 euros per litre11:42
ompaulenough already :)11:42
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Ckenyo1Afternoon all03:24
johnlittlemorning06:12
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adamant1988hello everyone06:55
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johnlittleHi07:08
troy_sdo you guys have any pamplets in the work?07:09
troy_ss/work/works07:09
adamant1988we could... I've ben so absorbed with my own pet projects lately that I haven't been doing much for the whole team07:11
troy_shas there been any development discussed on the list / group?07:12
adamant1988I haven't checked07:13
adamant1988I can look07:13
adamant1988I'm looking for pamphlet info?07:13
troy_swhat i was looking for was some discussion on a cheap marketing brocure07:14
troy_smainly focusing on what ubuntu can do out of the box07:14
troy_sas compared to commercial operating systems.07:14
troy_sbrief -- easily scannable -- flashy looking brochure07:14
troy_ssomething that could be folded or used as a free take home sheet on a counter07:15
adamant1988I have determined through my own experience that pushing Ubuntu is requiring pushing ogg so that people see less out of the box incompatibility...07:15
troy_snext to a pile of disks...07:15
adamant1988If there's not one, do you know where I can get pamphlet templates for OOo07:15
troy_snot so much pushing ogg, but perhaps something like 'archive your entire music cd into lossless form' etc.07:15
troy_sno idea.07:15
troy_sfull featured word processing, spreadsheet, etc.07:16
troy_sit would be lovely if we had something like that.07:16
adamant1988yeah, and that's followed by the end user going 'huh?'07:16
adamant1988that might do well for an enthusiast, but I didn't have a clue or care what lossless formats were before Linux.07:17
adamant1988most people I've talked to are the same07:17
adamant1988right now I have a decent little setup here.  I'm doing Ubuntu hardware tests and installations for $5 ($3.00 is for the Ubuntu disk that I give them, I donate it).07:18
adamant1988I also make sure they know that for a little over $10 a month they can get full call-center support for Ubuntu.  and I direct them on how to sign up for that07:19
troy_sum... hardly.07:20
troy_screating a music library is the feature.07:20
troy_sand about 99% of the folks with a computer know that... etc07:20
nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing07:21
adamant1988then that 1 last percent is mighty big.  People I talk to know how to create a music library, but they don't care about the format that much... as long as it works on their mp3 players.07:21
troy_sbasically, all of the things one can do with a default installed ubuntu box without any further addition.07:21
nixternalpamphlets, flyers you name it there07:21
adamant1988so nixternal... how are you?07:22
nixternalbusy ;)07:22
adamant1988things are coming to fruit here... I've done 10 installations in the last week :)07:22
nixternalnice07:22
adamant1988I haven't even set up the floor space, this is grass roots advertising right here.07:22
troy_sadamant1988:  done about 100 installs here.  it is pretty easy amongst peers if you refuse to support ms/apple.07:23
nixternali have done a couple of lectures in the past week or 2, gave a class yesterday on Konversation, giving a class tonight on the same thing as well07:23
troy_sthey tend to go to the easiest support class :)07:23
adamant1988oh yeah?07:24
nixternalworking on "Switching from Windows" guide, forums to wiki stuff, documentation stuff, I am somewhat in charge of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, doing the Fridge now07:24
adamant1988I'm doing the tell your friends reward system07:24
nixternalit is getting hectic07:24
nixternalplus doing Edgy Eft Knot Release reports right now for Kubuntu ;)07:24
adamant1988Basically I'm saving up the money from what they give me and I'm saying "I'll help pay the cost of your commercial support $5 for every person who tells me you helped them switch"07:25
nixternalhave you seen the billboard yet?07:25
adamant1988It's not a huge chunk but so far it's working enough07:25
adamant1988No, but Elkins needs one of those :P07:25
nixternalim working on bartering with the sign company here in Chicago for 5 billboards07:25
nixternalOne will be Ubuntu in general, and then the other 4 will be... 1 for Ubuntu, 1 for Kubuntu, 1 for Edubuntu, and 1 for Xubuntu07:25
nixternalfor 1 month they quoted me $15,00007:26
nixternali figure i charge them $150/hour for "service/consulting" i can give them a 100 or so hours07:27
nixternalfor $100,000 he would give me 5 billboards back to back for 1 month at the 4 major entrances into chicago07:28
nixternalthat is a little steep ;)07:28
adamant1988billboards are expensive...07:29
adamant1988my methods seem to be working, everyone *wants* commercial support and they'll take any discounts they can get.07:31
johnlittleany thoughts about letting ubuntu users hit a paypal button and contribute to a marketing fund?07:31
nixternalcan't do that07:31
adamant1988I think the goal is to be 0 cost, so can't be done07:31
nixternalyou can contribute to the Ubuntu foundation though ;)07:31
nixternali will barter 100 hours of my time easily for 5 billboards!07:32
johnlittleThats a good deal07:32
nixternalyou best believe my contact info will be on the bottom of that sign as well ;)07:32
adamant1988yeah if you can get $150 hr/ where you live07:32
nixternali have charged more then $200/hr in the past07:32
adamant1988if you can do that I wouldn't stop after the the  billboards are payed off07:33
adamant1988I would kill to make that much 0_007:33
nixternalmost consultants tend to charge between $250 and $500 an hour now a days07:33
adamant1988how did you get to be a 'consultant'?07:33
nixternali made myself one ;)07:33
adamant1988lol, did that require any certifications?07:33
johnlittleSame here..once you establish contacts it gets easier.07:33
nixternalanyone can be a consultant, as they are as useless as salesman..however consultant sounds better to most suits07:34
nixternali have certifications, and all my clients know about them. they know about my degree(s) as well...but that has nothing to do with being a consultant07:34
adamant1988uh huh07:34
nixternaljust a proven track record really07:34
adamant1988Well, so you 'sell' people what? ubuntu?07:34
johnlittleYep..never had a client ask about qualifications. Their usually familiar with y work in other ways.07:35
nixternali sell them my services...networking/systems admin, network design/implementation and such07:35
adamant1988Aha.  That's what I was trying to get at07:35
nixternalmostly deal with Cisco and Foundry products, and i do various server installs, i try to promote nokia/checkpoint packages for firewalls and such07:35
adamant1988I'm not much for doing the actual building of things, but I love to design lol.07:36
nixternaland i also sell services i could never provide myself, however i have friends in low places; )07:36
adamant1988uh huh.07:36
johnlittleI used to do quite a bit of tech consulting but now it's almost all marketing - much easier :)07:36
adamant1988Well, I'm more of a marketing, management, and accounting person.07:37
nixternali can't do web pages and graphics, but i know people who can...if possible i will charge about $100/hr for those services, and split 50/50 with the person doing the work, or will even do 75 them/25 me if it is big work07:37
johnlittleMy accounting skills are limited to calling customers and saying "Send that check yet?"07:37
nixternalrofl07:37
adamant1988Lol, I got called a software uber-capitalist last night.07:37
nixternali got called an idiot, does that count?07:38
adamant1988mines just as bad :P07:38
adamant1988Is it wrong to think people should be paying each other for things?07:38
johnlittlemy first comment on ubuntuvideo just came in...slapping me around for using flash..i guess I shoud have expected that07:39
nixternalif a client purchases hardware/software through me, they get pretty close to free support07:39
adamant1988if a product or service is provided that meets a need, then obviously there will need to be payment to cover expenses and make a profit =\07:39
nixternalya johnlittle, i thought we slapped you around a little last night for the flash stuff ;)07:39
johnlittlenot much i can do about it..go slap google and youtube :p07:39
nixternalhehe07:40
nixternaljohnlittle: your little plan here, could lead to a "Google" or "youTube" clone, but for LINUX!!!07:40
nixternalmaking you a millionaire!07:40
nixternallol07:40
adamant1988I think Ubuntu is heading the direction of CNR with it's commercial REPO.... I'm excited07:40
nixternalno flash, all FOSS/FLOSS...using like OGG and what not07:41
johnlittleAn open source clone would be sweet07:41
adamant1988"if you build it, they will come"07:41
nixternalyup07:41
nixternalOpenTV07:41
nixternalthere you go, get to work!07:41
johnlittleim the discussion sparker - you can be the do-er :)07:42
adamant1988Open source TV, so your kids can see violence AND get the source code for it :P07:42
johnlittlelol07:42
nixternali cna't do no more currently, my plate is full07:42
nixternalhaha adamant198807:42
johnlittleyeah same boat - day job, clients, and my other projects07:42
adamant1988I'm pretty busy with my home grown projects07:43
adamant1988I have 100 Ubuntu CDs coming in the mail...07:43
adamant1988I also have a fedora disk coming, because I support red-hat even though they abandoned us desktop users07:43
nixternalheh, i have more coming i hope07:43
nixternalim almost out07:43
nixternal1000 cds in less then 2 weeks07:43
johnlittledamn dude07:44
nixternali am slowly getting emails in from people i have given them too07:44
johnlittleyou are worse than aol07:44
nixternallol07:44
adamant1988I wouldn't know what to do with that many disk... that is 1/9th of my towns population lol07:44
nixternali am the aol of ubuntu right now07:44
nixternalCompUSA put an Ubuntu Display at their registers for me in Schaumburg, IL07:44
johnlittlenice07:44
adamant1988I'm talking to the local wal-mart to offer users an Ubuntu disk when they buy a PC07:45
nixternalthe crappy part though, is that they said I couldn't attach a business card to them07:45
adamant1988since they refused to get linux ready computers07:45
johnlittletoo bad there are hardly an independent pc shops anymore...those would be great targets07:45
johnlittlean=any07:45
adamant1988yeah it was pretty funny07:45
nixternalshower time!07:45
adamant1988some friends and I had the majority of Wal-Mart managment talking to us07:45
adamant1988We went in and were like "We need to buy 6 of this (most expensive computer model)" for a demo center and wifi-cafe we're setting up07:46
adamant1988But we don't want windows on them, we don't want to be charged for something we're not going to use07:46
adamant1988So the electronics person was dumbfounded.  called in a CSO and wash-rinse-repeat... by the time we were done we actually had the manager of wal-mart talking to us07:47
adamant1988they didn't give us the computers with windows removed, and they said there weren't any linux-preinstalled models available for them to put in the store right at the moment.   But there weren't happy about losing out on a 6,000+ dollar sale lol.07:50
johnlittleInteresting 42% of visitors to Ubuntu Video are running XP09:13
adamant1988ubuntu is getting to the point that it is synonymous with linux.09:14
adamant1988there is an interest in it09:14
johnlittlehttp://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2C+vista%2C+osx&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all09:17
johnlittlehttp://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2C+suse%2C+redhat%2C+mandriva&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all09:18
adamant1988I've seen those.09:20
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