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| crimsun | interesting. Ubuntu is on the main page of wikipedia. | 12:15 |
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| bddebian | Nice | 12:16 |
| bddebian | crimsun: Thanks btw | 12:16 |
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| Nafallo | gnight | 01:18 |
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| bddebian | Grr, this package is making me mad.. | 02:55 |
| tseng | sorry to hear that, bddebian | 02:57 |
| bddebian | Suuure :-) | 02:57 |
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| tseng | bddebian: whats new | 03:05 |
| bddebian | dangerdeep would be if I knew what I was doing :-) | 03:09 |
| tseng | haha. | 03:12 |
| bddebian | If I set it's installdir and installdatadir to /usr/foo, it literally installs in /usr/foo/bar. If I make it usr/foo, I can get everything to work but when when it installs, it expects everything in usr/foo/bar not /usr/foo/bar | 03:14 |
| Amaranth | bddebian: broken :P | 03:16 |
| bddebian | Well it uses scons so... :-) | 03:16 |
| tseng | oh no | 03:18 |
| tseng | scons | 03:18 |
| bddebian | You wanna help me? :-) | 03:18 |
| tseng | no :) | 03:19 |
| tseng | I quit Diva | 03:19 |
| bddebian | :'-( | 03:19 |
| tseng | on account of scons | 03:19 |
| tseng | and all half the buttons doing nothing | 03:19 |
| bddebian | Well it runs, I am just not sure how to best handle the dir problem | 03:19 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 03:32 |
| bddebian | Heya Hobbsee | 03:34 |
| Hobbsee | hi bddebian | 03:36 |
| zul_ | heyya | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | hi zul_ :) how goes it? | 03:43 |
| zul_ | good you? | 03:44 |
| zul_ | trying to download something in new zealand | 03:44 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:44 |
| Hobbsee | off to work soon | 03:44 |
| zul_ | nifty | 03:44 |
| zul_ | arghh...too much to learn not enought time | 03:46 |
| bddebian | No kidding | 03:47 |
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| ajmitch | afternoon | 04:09 |
| zul_ | everning | 04:10 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | zul_: what are you trying to grab? | 04:10 |
| zul_ | uh...xen-source | 04:10 |
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| zul_ | yeah its nearly done ) | 04:14 |
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| nixternal | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue8 | 05:02 |
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| bddebian | Anyone have an idea on this one? | 05:29 |
| bddebian | scons: Building targets ... | 05:29 |
| bddebian | Install file: "build/linux/dangerdeep" as "/usr/games/dangerdeep" | 05:29 |
| bddebian | scons: *** [/usr/games/dangerdeep] /usr/games/dangerdeep: Permission denied | 05:29 |
| bddebian | scons: building terminated because of errors. | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | it's not prefixing $(CURDIR)/debian/dangerdeep | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | and trying to write to files outside of the package tree, which is bad & wrong | 05:30 |
| bddebian | I know, I can't seem to get scons to figure that out | 05:30 |
| ajmitch | is this one you're packaging, or something imported from elsewhere? | 05:30 |
| ajmitch | since it's not in debian | 05:31 |
| bddebian | No, this is dangerdeep from SourceForge | 05:31 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I had that one installed | 05:31 |
| ajmitch | not a terribly exciting game | 05:31 |
| ajmitch | one moment | 05:32 |
| bddebian | Yeah, I've kind of noticed that. Maybe I should try S.C.O.U.R.G.E or something | 05:32 |
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| ajmitch | scons prefix=/usr installprefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/yafray install | 05:33 |
| ajmitch | find $(CURDIR)/debian/yafray/ -name .sconsign -exec rm {} ';' | 05:33 |
| ajmitch | from yafray's debian/rules | 05:33 |
| ajmitch | in the install: target | 05:33 |
| bddebian | Ahh | 05:34 |
| ajmitch | plenty of examples already in ubuntu | 05:34 |
| bddebian | Maybe I shouldn't bother since it's boring? :-) | 05:34 |
| ajmitch | do what you wish | 05:35 |
| bddebian | Well I wish to fix the Hurd and Mach but that's hopeless ;-P | 05:35 |
| ajmitch | heh | 05:35 |
| ajmitch | lost cause | 05:35 |
| bddebian | I just thought I'd try something different whilst waiting for all my sync requests and/or libiexxx to come through NEW | 05:40 |
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| rjd | hey | 06:18 |
| rjd | exit | 06:22 |
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| Plug | hey all | 09:19 |
| Plug | what package version should I use for a package built from CVS HEAD? | 09:19 |
| ajmitch | hi plug | 09:21 |
| ajmitch | generally something lower than what it'll be at release time | 09:21 |
| Plug | hey | 09:22 |
| Plug | mplayer seems to use 0.current+0.nextrel+cvsDATE | 09:22 |
| ajmitch | iirc we support ~, so you could use x.y.z~cvs.20060806-0ubuntu1 | 09:22 |
| ajmitch | that's the other common way to do it | 09:22 |
| Plug | is there a doc somewhere about how the ubuntuX versioning at the end works? | 09:23 |
| ajmitch | if the wiki's up, there should be | 09:23 |
| ajmitch | looks to still be dead | 09:23 |
| ajmitch | it's generally -0ubuntu1 for new upstream versions, to be lower than debian's | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | or if debian has -1, and you make a change, it becomes -1ubuntu1 | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | additional changes would be -1ubuntu2, etc | 09:24 |
| Plug | if it's not in Debian, does it need an -ubuntu? | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 09:24 |
| Plug | yay | 09:25 |
| Plug | (wiki loading eventually) | 09:25 |
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| imbrandon | yea its on the wiki at !versioning | 09:35 |
| imbrandon | err | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | !versioning | 09:36 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu and Debian have slightly different package versioning schemes, for an explanation see http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html#id2528873 | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | moins ajmitch | 09:36 |
| ajmitch | hi imbrandon | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | hrm ajmitch how long does it take the archive guys to do a sync normaly ? | 09:37 |
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| crimsun | considering it's the weekend, I wouldn't count on it being processed until Monday noon. Granted Kamion sometimes processes them on the weekends, but with the Dapper point release and Knot 2 on the plate, I wouldn't expect that. | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | i requested malone #55193 ~2 days or so ago, but nothing yet, can you peek at it and make sure i did it correct | 09:39 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 55193 in kbfx "[Edgy MoM] Please sync kbfx-0.4.9.1+20060611cvs from Debian unstable" [Low,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/55193 | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | ahh weekend, dident think aobut that | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | thanks crimsun | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | yea and Kamion said something about going to iwj's for the evening yesterday so i doubt he is processing anything | 09:40 |
| === imbrandon totaly forgot about the weekend | ||
| imbrandon | quite in here this morning | 09:44 |
| === imbrandon yawns | ||
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| === Fujitsu wonders how they can give such short notice of meetings. | ||
| imbrandon | i dont even see a CC meeting on the schedule | 09:52 |
| imbrandon | /win 7 | 09:53 |
| imbrandon | gah | 09:53 |
| Fujitsu | There isn't yet. | 09:53 |
| Fujitsu | There never is. | 09:53 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:53 |
| Fujitsu | But there's one on Monday or Tuesday. | 09:53 |
| imbrandon | i'm just happy i got my mail running through a local imap server with spamassissan this weekend | 09:54 |
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| imbrandon | i'm gonna have to train it a bit more though, seems to only catch about 60% of the spam | 09:55 |
| imbrandon | but thats better than 0% i guess ;) | 09:55 |
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| rob | bug: 52649 | 11:18 |
| rob | sigh, how do you use that thing? :) | 11:18 |
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| imbrandon | malone bug 52649 | 11:18 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 52649 in linux-source-2.6.15 "After installing the latest Linux kernel with Update Manager, Gnome start not normal." [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52649 | 11:18 |
| rob | ah, thanks! | 11:18 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 11:18 |
| imbrandon | kde bug 4564564324 | 11:18 |
| imbrandon | debian bug 4534542352 | 11:19 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 11:19 |
| imbrandon | ( if they were actualy bug numbers those would work too ) | 11:19 |
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| crimsun | wtf | 11:23 |
| crimsun | people should /not/ be allowed to randomly assign others [than themselves] to bugs | 11:23 |
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| crimsun | if I were Chuck I'd be pretty ticked | 11:24 |
| imbrandon | crimsun: i kinda thought the same thing | 11:24 |
| imbrandon | subscribe , possibly but assign , no | 11:24 |
| crimsun | assigning to yourself, I think, is valid | 11:25 |
| imbrandon | yea , i mean others | 11:25 |
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| imbrandon | chuck == zu*l ? | 11:25 |
| crimsun | yes | 11:26 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: what bug did that happen with? | 11:28 |
| crimsun | bug 52649 | 11:28 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 52649 in linux-source-2.6.15 "After installing the latest Linux kernel with Update Manager, Gnome start not normal." [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52649 | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | ah | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | and he was the person mentioned in the changelog | 11:29 |
| crimsun | indeed. It'd be one thing if Chuck said, "Sure, assign it to me," but this seems a bit toss-here-it's-yours | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | or "OMG yuo broke it fix it now!!" | 11:30 |
| imbrandon | heh you forgot !!!1111oneoneone ajmitch ;) | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | sorry | 11:30 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | I was trying to restrain myself | 11:31 |
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| imbrandon | gah can someone ping enterprise.buntudot.org and tell me the ip they get, i think my dns is screwy | 11:34 |
| ajmitch | 208.113.154.221 | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | and | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | 72.135.8.5 | 11:35 |
| imbrandon | hrm both ? | 11:35 |
| imbrandon | strange | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | dig shows 2 A records | 11:35 |
| imbrandon | should only get the latter, yea /me needs to fix that | 11:35 |
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| Burgundavia | yoMOTUs of the world. The UWN is always looking for new and interesting updated packages to talk about. You might even get your name in lights! Add ideas to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue9 | 11:38 |
| rob | yoSpammer! | 11:41 |
| rob | :P | 11:41 |
| Burgundavia | I like to think of it as a PSA | 11:41 |
| Burgundavia | note I haven't left right away | 11:41 |
| imbrandon | heh , drive by irc spamming | 11:42 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 11:42 |
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| Burgundavia | it is all the same bloody people, no matter what channel I go to. I give up ;) | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | context is important :) | 11:42 |
| === ajmitch tries to think of what nice packages he uses... | ||
| ajmitch | last-exit is fairly nice | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: xgl / | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | heh | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: already mentioned in issue 8 | 11:43 |
| rob | well, I'd like to see some games featured | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | i havent ready 8 yet | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | games and xen | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | would be cool | 11:44 |
| rob | tremulous made it into edgy recently, didn't it? | 11:44 |
| Burgundavia | we can feature one package, but what I am truly looking for new crack in the next week | 11:44 |
| rob | thats pretty cool | 11:44 |
| imbrandon | xen ;) | 11:44 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: surely you've covered jokosher in detail? | 11:44 |
| Burgundavia | my spidey-sense says no, rob | 11:44 |
| ajmitch | heh, xen would be interesting | 11:44 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: I mentioned it | 11:44 |
| === ajmitch still has to test it properly on this amd64 | ||
| rob | Burgundavia, yes it is, http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/games/tremulous | 11:45 |
| Burgundavia | is xen available by default? | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: universe package still, iirc | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | it's a separate kernel, just landed recently | 11:45 |
| rob | multiverse, yes | 11:45 |
| Burgundavia | ok, so not yet Knot material | 11:45 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: yea zul said he would have proper /good/ amd64 packages for xen by the end of the weekend ( said this friday ) | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: yes, he's been building them on my box | 11:45 |
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| Burgundavia | rob: wierd, it didn't go into ubuntu-changes. Auto-sync? | 11:45 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: nice | 11:45 |
| rob | might be a problem? | 11:45 |
| Burgundavia | if one of you wants to right up a short para on xen, that would be dandy | 11:46 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: I tried testing it in vmware, but xen on vmware causes massive slowdown in the vm | 11:46 |
| Burgundavia | similar to what i have done with galago/telepathy in issue 8 | 11:46 |
| ajmitch | even just booting the dom0 kernel | 11:46 |
| rob | no ubuntu version, so yes autosync from Debian | 11:46 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: ahh | 11:46 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: I'd probably wait for xen to get a bit more polish in the setup | 11:46 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia, I can see it in my edgy-changes... 2006/07/20 | 11:46 |
| ajmitch | maybe for UWN 10 | 11:46 |
| Nafallo | morning all, and no, it's not a good morning :-( | 11:47 |
| ajmitch | hi Nafallo | 11:47 |
| imbrandon | 'ello Nafallo | 11:47 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: UWN is showcasing new crack, regardless of its usefulness | 11:47 |
| ajmitch | true | 11:47 |
| ajmitch | when's the deadline for UWN 9 material? | 11:47 |
| === Nafallo should write a blogentry in english... bbl | ||
| Burgundavia | 12th-ish | 11:47 |
| ajmitch | ok, plenty of time | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | so you plan to actually release this weekly? | 11:48 |
| Burgundavia | this is issue 9 | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | yes, I know | 11:48 |
| Burgundavia | we have not missed a week, but we have been a bit tardy | 11:48 |
| Burgundavia | there is more than enough to talk about | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | f-spot in desktop :) | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | SoC project updates, etc | 11:49 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 11:49 |
| imbrandon | yea f-spot and banshee ;) moreso f-spot | 11:49 |
| === ajmitch got some UI tips from mpt last night | ||
| Burgundavia | trying to juggle UWN and the Knot releases as well | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | UWN 8 was good, it covered a fair amount | 11:52 |
| Nafallo | http://www.nafallo.info/blog/index.html.en | 11:56 |
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| elmargol | Hi is there a way to get universe package packported to dapper? | 11:57 |
| siretart | hi | 11:58 |
| Nafallo | siretart: morning | 11:58 |
| siretart | elmargol: try https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+filebug | 11:58 |
| elmargol | democracyplayer is on edgy now (a bugy old version). should i request a sync to the new version and a backport? | 11:58 |
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| Fujitsu | Nafallo, I cannot connect to nafallo.info... | 11:59 |
| siretart | bddebian: FYI: kernel-headers 2.6.17 have just been uploaded to debian | 11:59 |
| siretart | hi Nafallo | 11:59 |
| ajmitch | hello siretart | 11:59 |
| Nafallo | Fujitsu: oh? | 11:59 |
| siretart | huhu ajmitch | 11:59 |
| imbrandon | moins siretart | 11:59 |
| Nafallo | Fujitsu: I can both ping and ping6 from outside... | 12:00 |
| Fujitsu | Hm. | 12:01 |
| Fujitsu | It seems to be defaulting to using the IPv6 for some reason. | 12:01 |
| Fujitsu | And my v6 tunnel seems to have failed. | 12:01 |
| ajmitch | it always defaults to ipv6 | 12:01 |
| ajmitch | that's expected behaviour | 12:02 |
| Fujitsu | And it finally loads. | 12:02 |
| === imbrandon hasent even tried to understand ipv6 yet, i guess i should look abobut it someday | ||
| Fujitsu | Probably. | 12:03 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: most people shouldn't have to care about it | 12:03 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: and hopefully i'm one of them lol but somehow i doubt it | 12:04 |
| imbrandon | sides its always good to learn ( if you have the time ) | 12:05 |
| imbrandon | heh | 12:05 |
| imbrandon | s/its/anything\ is | 12:05 |
| Nafallo | ooh | 12:10 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: care to look at malon #55334 ? :-) | 12:10 |
| imbrandon | malone 55334 | 12:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 55334 in network-manager "nm-applet doesn't start" [Medium,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/55334 | 12:11 |
| ajmitch | Nafallo: I find it interesting that you have this bug | 12:13 |
| === ajmitch has never seen it | ||
| Fujitsu | Nafallo, ouch... What nasty bites. | 12:14 |
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| ajmitch | Nafallo: btw the suggested way for getting it sponsored is inlining a debdiff | 12:15 |
| ajmitch | since giving a deb-src line is one of the more inconvenient ways to do it | 12:15 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: well, by laptop is dead :-/ | 12:15 |
| Nafallo | Fujitsu: indeed. I wonder how much power the rabbit got... | 12:15 |
| Fujitsu | It's still around? | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | Nafallo: just the power courd heh | 12:16 |
| Nafallo | imbrandon: yea, but I have no working battery :-( | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | ouch | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | arg almost time for breakfast with the extended family /me is not looking forward to this | 12:17 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: was an easy bug to fix :-). | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | i might revive my blg this after noon, i havent updated it in months | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | blog* | 12:17 |
| ajmitch | Nafallo: changelog is a bit hard to parse | 12:18 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: just adding dh_iconcache to network-manager-gnome. | 12:18 |
| imbrandon | more dh_iconcache stuff? thought that was all done hehe | 12:19 |
| ajmitch | Nafallo: yes I can see that | 12:19 |
| Nafallo | seems not to have been for network-manager :-/ | 12:19 |
| ajmitch | but "See to that network-manager-gnome have dh_iconcache run." doesn't make sense - late night fix? :) | 12:20 |
| Nafallo | hehe, yep :-) | 12:20 |
| Nafallo | real late :-P | 12:20 |
| === Nafallo wished he had a computer to fix those things :-P | ||
| ajmitch | & what are you typing on now? | 12:21 |
| === imbrandon looks for something to merge while he kills the next 2 hours | ||
| Nafallo | a real slow computer | 12:21 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 12:21 |
| === Fujitsu gets an axe and chops the next 2 hours into a lot of pieces. Done. | ||
| Nafallo | I'm not even sure if I want to call it a computer ;-) | 12:21 |
| imbrandon | heh | 12:21 |
| ajmitch | running windows? :) | 12:21 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, I hope not. | 12:22 |
| Nafallo | I don't have windows ;-) | 12:22 |
| ajmitch | I'm glad | 12:22 |
| Fujitsu | Oh, phew. | 12:22 |
| imbrandon | thats why its always nice to have ssh access to somewhere for building as a backup ;) | 12:22 |
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| imbrandon | moins Hobbsee | 12:23 |
| ajmitch | uh oh, trouble's here | 12:23 |
| imbrandon | lol | 12:23 |
| === Nafallo tries to fetch source on this slow thing anyway :-P | ||
| Hobbsee | hi im | 12:23 |
| Hobbsee | hi imbrandon | 12:23 |
| === Fujitsu greets Hobbsee. | ||
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: heh. | 12:23 |
| Hobbsee | hi Fujitsu | 12:23 |
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| Nafallo | ajmitch: I found devtools installed here. any suggestions for a better changelog-line? :-) | 12:33 |
| Nafallo | something like: - Add dh_iconcache to network-manager-gnome. maybe? :-) | 12:34 |
| Hobbsee | Nafallo: you can just uses "Added dh_iconcache" for that - or note that it's in debian/rules if you want | 12:34 |
| Nafallo | yea, I have something that equals that now :-) | 12:35 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: updated my repo with better changelog ;-) | 12:36 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: debdiff added to bugreport aswell | 12:38 |
| Plug | Nafallo: Do you maintain network-manager? | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | Plug: keybuk does | 12:42 |
| Nafallo | I did before Keybuk :-) | 12:42 |
| Plug | rockin' | 12:42 |
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| Plug | I'm currently working with the author on the PPTP plugin | 12:42 |
| Plug | with a view to having something to submit for edgy | 12:43 |
| Hobbsee | Nafallo: ah :) | 12:43 |
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| Nafallo | nice :-) | 12:44 |
| === Nafallo uses IPsec'd GRE-tunnels everywhere though ;-) | ||
| Plug | do you have a nice GUI to set them up? :) | 12:44 |
| Nafallo | nope | 12:44 |
| Nafallo | but then again. my router set them up at boot ;- | 12:45 |
| Nafallo | ;-) | 12:45 |
| Nafallo | s/set/sets/ | 12:45 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 12:48 |
| Nafallo | isn | 12:49 |
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| Nafallo | isn't "sudo update-manager -d" supposed to give me edgy? | 12:49 |
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| imbrandon | Nafallo: yea afaik | 12:52 |
| imbrandon | debian #380661 | 12:52 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 380661 in wnpp "Subject: ITP: kdmtheme -- theme manager for KDM" [Wishlist,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/380661 | 12:52 |
| Nafallo | or not :-P | 12:53 |
| Nafallo | malone #53363 | 12:54 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 53363 in update-manager "-d doesn't give me edgy" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53363 | 12:54 |
| Hobbsee | Nafallo: surely not until it's released. | 12:56 |
| Nafallo | -d, --devel-release Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is | 12:56 |
| Nafallo | possible | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | right... | 12:57 |
| Hobbsee | if it's that easy to get edgy...i'd mark it as "notabug - it shouldnt be that way anyway" | 12:57 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: yea -d should give edgy | 12:57 |
| Hobbsee | but tha'ts just my personal opinion :P | 12:57 |
| Hobbsee | fact of the matter is, edgy tends to break when you upgrade it, so you have to do bits manually anyway. | 12:58 |
| imbrandon | heh thats by design ( the -d ) | 12:58 |
| Nafallo | Hobbsee: well, that DOES NOT give me edgy. it's only supposed to :-P | 12:58 |
| Hobbsee | Nafallo: yes. did it not give you edgy, or did it break on the way of getting to edgy? :P | 12:58 |
| Nafallo | -d doesn't do _anything_ from my POV ;-) | 12:59 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 12:59 |
| === Hobbsee hasnt tried it. | ||
| === Hobbsee doenst use gnome. | ||
| Nafallo | :-L | 01:00 |
| Nafallo | ehm | 01:00 |
| Nafallo | :-P | 01:00 |
| Nafallo | even | 01:00 |
| Hobbsee | Nafallo: uh, does network-manager use cdbs? | 01:01 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if dh_iconcache is already included in it. | ||
| Nafallo | yes | 01:01 |
| Nafallo | it's not | 01:01 |
| Nafallo | only the autotools class | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: it doesn't use the gnome cdbs stuff | 01:02 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok | 01:02 |
| Hobbsee | or the kde, or the xfce cdbs stuff. | 01:02 |
| Hobbsee | pity. | 01:02 |
| Nafallo | well, most of the binarys are not for a desktop environment. | 01:03 |
| Hobbsee | true | 01:03 |
| Nafallo | infact, only network-manager-gnome is :-P | 01:03 |
| Hobbsee | point taken | 01:03 |
| === Hobbsee was just curious | ||
| Nafallo | yea, I didn't mean to offend you. | 01:04 |
| Hobbsee | you didnt :) | 01:04 |
| Nafallo | good :-) | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | takes more than that | 01:06 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: heh, what would you know about it? | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | enough | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | Nafallo: built fine, looks good | 01:09 |
| Nafallo | nice :-) | 01:10 |
| Nafallo | I tested it on my laptop yesterday, and it solved the problem | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | I should check that main uploads aren't frozen for knot-2 | 01:11 |
| ajmitch | nothing in the topic, must be good to upload | 01:11 |
| Nafallo | it's a bugfix that makes network-manager "just work" again :-) | 01:12 |
| Nafallo | should be good | 01:12 |
| ajmitch | uploaded | 01:12 |
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| phanatic | afternoon | 01:14 |
| === Nafallo hugs ajmitch | ||
| Nafallo | thanks :-) | 01:14 |
| === Nafallo hopes Keybuks approves ;-) | ||
| ajmitch | if not, oh well | 01:14 |
| Nafallo | indeed :-) | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | are we using xulrunner-dev instead of firefox-dev yet? | 01:15 |
| Nafallo | that should have been his bug so... ;-) | 01:15 |
| Nafallo | don't think so :-( | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | right | 01:15 |
| Nafallo | I don't even think it was edgy material | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | bug 55382 can't be a straight sync then | 01:15 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 55382 in democracyplayer "Please sync to the new upstream version." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/55382 | 01:15 |
| Nafallo | edgy+1 hopefully | 01:15 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: a package in edgy can dep on just python if its wanting python2.4 right ? | 01:22 |
| imbrandon | since python == 2.4.x in edgy | 01:23 |
| ajmitch | if it needs python >= 2.4 then it should state that | 01:24 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yeah, and python automatically depends on the latest python version anyway, according to debian | 01:24 |
| imbrandon | ok well i was mergin something from debian and we have >= 2.4 but debain has no req | 01:24 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: apt-cache show python-dev | 01:25 |
| === Nafallo r lite fr paranoid *tro* | ||
| Nafallo | EWRONGCHAN | 01:25 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: i know about that i was asking about the policy | 01:25 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: ahh... | 01:25 |
| === Hobbsee thought the new python policy involved not hard coding the python packages. | ||
| StevenK | imbrandon: It should be using the new Python policy | 01:25 |
| StevenK | It does not. | 01:26 |
| StevenK | BAH! | 01:26 |
| StevenK | It does involve not hard coding, that is. | 01:26 |
| === Hobbsee wonders about StevenK's sanity. | ||
| === StevenK wonders about it, too. | ||
| imbrandon | StevenK: got a pointer to the new policy, and no this hasent been updated since horay so i doubt it is | 01:26 |
| === StevenK points imbrandon at Ctrl-T | ||
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: which package is this for? | 01:27 |
| StevenK | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy | 01:27 |
| ajmitch | there's probably a bug in debian open about the policy for that package now | 01:28 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: no package , its a sync, but i was wondering about it for future ref | 01:30 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: ah right | 01:30 |
| imbrandon | syslog-summary is what i was looking at though | 01:32 |
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| === Nafallo wonders if that package shouldn't be in main ;-) | ||
| Nafallo | enhances logcheck, I would say. | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | it looks relatively unmaintained in debian | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | last maintainer upload was in 2003 | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | previous one before that was 2001.. | 01:37 |
| imbrandon | so about a year past due for an upload ? hehe | 01:38 |
| StevenK | "Relatively" | 01:38 |
| ajmitch | RC bugs had to be fixed by NMU | 01:38 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: well, there are some few packages that can get away with no uploads for that length of time | 01:38 |
| TheMuso | I found something very interesting with the new python policy, python central, and a package I updated the other day. | 01:41 |
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| TheMuso | According to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy, in the section about python central, you can have something like XS-Python-Version set to current, >=2.4 etc. Now I have seen that for one package in universe, that used python-support. | 01:42 |
| TheMuso | However, when installing the package, python central chucked a spaz over that field, even though according to the policy, it seems correct. | 01:42 |
| doko | TheMuso: known, needs a fix, just set XS-Python-Version to current | 01:43 |
| TheMuso | doko: RIght, well on the grounds of that policy, the package was uploaded. It is accessibility related, so I will let anybody know who asks about it what it is. Thanks. | 01:43 |
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| elmargol | where can I change my mail for debchange? | 02:57 |
| tseng | export DEBEMAIL="Your Name <youremail>" | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | elmargol: in .bashrc too | 02:59 |
| StevenK | It ought to be two environment variables. | 03:02 |
| StevenK | DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL | 03:02 |
| StevenK | Usually you will only need to set DEBEMAIL | 03:02 |
| TheMuso | Yep. I've only got DEBEMAIL set here, and my name is found from my user account details. | 03:02 |
| TheMuso | If one is referring to stuff in changelogs. | 03:02 |
| StevenK | Correct. | 03:02 |
| StevenK | DEBFULLNAME falls back to GECOS | 03:03 |
| Nafallo | kewl | 03:03 |
| === Nafallo stops exporting it | ||
| StevenK | DEBFULLNAME is useful if you have an comment set on your GPG key. | 03:04 |
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| StevenK | "My Name (Debian)", etc... | 03:04 |
| Nafallo | I haven't :-) | 03:04 |
| Toadstool | hi everybody | 03:04 |
| elmargol | this doesn't work for me :( | 03:05 |
| TheMuso | BZREMAIL is also another useful one. | 03:05 |
| elmargol | I did export DEBEMAIL="Markus Golser <elmargol@googlemail.com>" | 03:06 |
| elmargol | and added this line to .bashrc | 03:06 |
| StevenK | elmargol: You may well get "Markus Golser Markus Golser <elmargol@googlemail.com>" then | 03:07 |
| elmargol | ? | 03:07 |
| elmargol | StevenK, how do you mean this? | 03:10 |
| StevenK | elmargol: I mean the system may well return that since your full name is in DEBEMAIL | 03:10 |
| TheMuso | DEBEMAIL should only contain your email address, and not your name. | 03:10 |
| elmargol | ah ok | 03:10 |
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| elmargol | thx | 03:12 |
| TheMuso | np | 03:13 |
| TheMuso | Night folks. | 03:14 |
| elmargol | i did debdiff and got a 3,1M big diff :( | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | elmargol: ouch? did you debdiff against the right things? | 03:15 |
| elmargol | i think so. i did old.dsc new.dsc | 03:15 |
| === Hobbsee suspects the debdiff screwed up then. | ||
| elmargol | Hobbsee, i ported democracy to a new upstram version. maybe they changed a lot upstream | 03:24 |
| kozz | I'm wondering if someone could help me with a sponsored upload | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | elmargol: quite possibly. | 03:24 |
| kozz | it's in main tho | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | kozz: not enough info. | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | kozz: wha'ts it for? | 03:24 |
| kozz | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mkvmlinuz/+bug/53460 | 03:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 53460 in mkvmlinuz "mkvmlinuz fails to create kernel" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | kozz: probably ask in #ubuntu-devel - but it's a sunday, so i doubt anyone will be around. unless ajmitch or anotehr core dev is here | 03:25 |
| elmargol | Hobbsee, any suggestions? | 03:26 |
| kozz | ok, so you can't do it? ;) | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | elmargol: pastebin the debdiff somewhere, and give us the link | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | elmargol: no, unfortunately | 03:26 |
| === Hobbsee is a MOTU, not a core-dev | ||
| elmargol | k | 03:26 |
| kozz | Hobbsee: ohh, right | 03:27 |
| elmargol | i try to gzip it | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | elmargol: go to pastebin.ca and paste it there, then give us the link in here | 03:27 |
| elmargol | 60.000 bytes limit there... | 03:28 |
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| Hobbsee | ouch | 03:30 |
| elmargol | I use my own webspace :D | 03:32 |
| elmargol | damn no file upload at blogger.com :D | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | elmargol: or just upload the source somewhere | 03:39 |
| elmargol | maybe someone can give 1-2Mb webspace? | 03:53 |
| elmargol | Hobbsee: http://elmargol.el.funpic.de/democracyplayer_debdiff.bz2 | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | yay for funpic.de :) | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | hyperupload.com is useful for such things, btw. i only just remembered | 04:06 |
| elmargol | I think funpic works as file hoster :D | 04:07 |
| elmargol | I don't do real things there :D | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | elmargol: versioning is wrong, for a start. | 04:07 |
| elmargol | why? | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | elmargol: see the packaging guide | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | what's the upstream version? | 04:08 |
| elmargol | 0.8.5 | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | elmargol: should be (0.8.5.0-0ubuntu1) edgy then | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | in the debian/changelog | 04:09 |
| elmargol | k i change it | 04:09 |
| Nafallo | why an extra .0 in the upstream versionnumber? | 04:10 |
| Hobbsee | Nafallo: mainly due to the format of the last changelog entry. democracyplayer (0.8.4.1-1) unstable; urgency=low | 04:10 |
| Nafallo | ehm, I would have it as 0.8.5-0ubuntu1 :-) | 04:11 |
| Nafallo | if there is a bugfix version that can be named 0.8.5.1 | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | Nafallo: yeah, but i'm uncertain as to whether 0.8.5-0ubuntu1 < 0.8.5.1 | 04:11 |
| Nafallo | as with gajim... 0.10 and then 0.10.1 | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | Nafallo: i think it is, but i was going to play it safe - based on how debian had versioned theirs | 04:12 |
| Nafallo | 0.8.5.1 should be higher :-) | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | er, or 0.8.5.0-1, too... | 04:12 |
| Nafallo | probably debian packaged upstream version 0.8.4.1? :-) | 04:12 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: what was the command to compare two version strings? :-) | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | Nafallo: cant see without grabbing the source, or going and checkign their changelogs | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | madison or something, maybe? | 04:13 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt remember | ||
| === Hobbsee is off to bed. | ||
| Hobbsee | elmargol: oh, you also need to say it's a new upstream release in your changelog, too. | 04:13 |
| Nafallo | Hobbsee: no, there is a dpkg-command for that :-) | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | elmargol: you can have multiple *'s in the changelog | 04:14 |
| Hobbsee | Nafallo: i'm sure there is. try dpkg --help or something :P | 04:14 |
| Nafallo | hmm, I don't have it, but then again. I'm in the middle of an dist-upgrade ;-) | 04:15 |
| Nafallo | manual dist-upgrade :-P | 04:15 |
| geser | dpkg --compare-versions ver1 op ver2 | 04:16 |
| Nafallo | ah, thanks | 04:16 |
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| geser | and op is one of < << <= = >= >> > | 04:16 |
| Nafallo | 1 is false I guess? | 04:17 |
| Nafallo | baah. can't use it. | 04:18 |
| Nafallo | I only got = to work :-P | 04:19 |
| geser | dpkg --compare-versions 0.8.5-0ubuntu1 \< 0.8.5.1 | 04:20 |
| geser | results in 0 which means true | 04:20 |
| elmargol | OK i changed this. | 04:23 |
| Nafallo | ah, so it should be 0.8.5-0ubuntu1 then :-) | 04:28 |
| elmargol | :( | 04:28 |
| elmargol | are you sure? | 04:28 |
| Nafallo | yepp | 04:33 |
| elmargol | ok i change it again... | 04:33 |
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| zul_ | i think they can be found in germany | 04:52 |
| Nafallo | they use to be here aswell :-) | 04:52 |
| Nafallo | siretart: ping? :-) | 04:53 |
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| siretart | hi Nafallo | 04:54 |
| Nafallo | siretart: hi! What does: Inkl. MwSt. und zzgl. mean? :-) | 04:55 |
| siretart | Nafallo: inkl MwSt is an abbrv for 'inklusive Mehrwertsteuer', this means including tax | 04:56 |
| geser | inkl. Mwst = including vat | 04:56 |
| siretart | Nafallo: zzgl. MwSt means you have to add tax | 04:56 |
| siretart | oh, right, vat is a better translation. thanks geser | 04:57 |
| Nafallo | so ehm... does it include tax in the price or not? :-) | 04:57 |
| Nafallo | s/tax/vat/ | 04:57 |
| siretart | Nafallo: it depends. inkl. means with, and zzgl. without | 04:57 |
| Nafallo | aha! the link should also be text there... | 04:58 |
| Nafallo | Inkl. MwSt. und zzgl. Versandkosten | 04:58 |
| Nafallo | so include vat, but not freight? :-) | 04:58 |
| geser | yes | 04:59 |
| Nafallo | nice. that means I might have a battery and the ac/dc-adapter for 4/5 of what I expected :-) | 05:00 |
| Nafallo | geser, siretart: thanks guys! :-) | 05:00 |
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| chx | ah it seems that even debian has only oldstable ... ok. nevermind | 06:06 |
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| phanatic | evening | 07:55 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 10:47 |
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| Czubek | ajmitch: 22:52 :) | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | yes, but we know that it's always morning somewhere in the world | 10:53 |
| Czubek | ;) | 10:54 |
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| Mez | !bug 40956 | 11:01 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 40956 in plptools "Running ncpd in Dapper causes major input issues" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40956 | 11:01 |
| ubotu | I know nothing about bug 40956 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu | 11:01 |
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| bmonty | ajmitch: ping | 11:29 |
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| jdmpike_ | are there any tools which track what packages you have installed with which you can force architecture? | 11:31 |
| Mez | what do you mean "force architecture" | 11:31 |
| jdmpike_ | I want to install a i386 only package on my amd64 install, but I don't want to use dpkg -i --force-architecture | 11:32 |
| Mez | why not ? | 11:32 |
| jdmpike_ | because I can't remove that package once it is installed | 11:32 |
| jdmpike_ | dpkg -r --purge package name | 11:33 |
| Mez | jdmpike_ - apt-get remove package | 11:33 |
| jdmpike_ | that is the problem, when I install with dpkg, it doesn't remove with apt-get | 11:33 |
| Mez | should do | 11:33 |
| Mez | does with me | 11:34 |
| jdmpike_ | ok, I will take your word for it | 11:34 |
| Mez | lemme test | 11:34 |
| Mez | yeah it does | 11:37 |
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| railz2 | sorry to ask here, no one can help me in #ubuntu, i'm trying to upgrade my friends hoary box to dapper and I have the cd with me | 12:07 |
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