[12:15] <crimsun> interesting. Ubuntu is on the main page of wikipedia.
[12:16] <bddebian> Nice
[12:16] <bddebian> crimsun: Thanks btw
[01:18] <Nafallo> gnight
[02:55] <bddebian> Grr, this package is making me mad..
[02:57] <tseng> sorry to hear that, bddebian
[02:57] <bddebian> Suuure :-)
[03:05] <tseng> bddebian: whats new
[03:09] <bddebian> dangerdeep would be if I knew what I was doing :-)
[03:12] <tseng> haha.
[03:14] <bddebian> If I set it's installdir and installdatadir to /usr/foo, it literally installs in /usr/foo/bar.  If I make it usr/foo, I can get everything to work but when when it installs, it expects everything in usr/foo/bar not /usr/foo/bar
[03:16] <Amaranth> bddebian: broken :P
[03:16] <bddebian> Well it uses scons so... :-)
[03:18] <tseng> oh no
[03:18] <tseng> scons
[03:18] <bddebian> You wanna help me? :-)
[03:19] <tseng> no :)
[03:19] <tseng> I quit Diva
[03:19] <bddebian> :'-(
[03:19] <tseng> on account of scons
[03:19] <tseng> and all half the buttons doing nothing
[03:19] <bddebian> Well it runs, I am just not sure how to best handle the dir problem
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:34] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:43] <zul_> heyya
[03:43] <Hobbsee> hi zul_ :)  how goes it?
[03:44] <zul_> good you?
[03:44] <zul_> trying to download something in new zealand
[03:44] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:44] <Hobbsee> off to work soon
[03:44] <zul_> nifty
[03:46] <zul_> arghh...too much to learn not enought time
[03:47] <bddebian> No kidding
[04:09] <ajmitch> afternoon
[04:10] <zul_> everning
[04:10] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[04:10] <ajmitch> zul_: what are you trying to grab?
[04:10] <zul_> uh...xen-source
[04:14] <zul_> yeah its nearly done )
[05:02] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue8
[05:29] <bddebian> Anyone have an idea on this one?
[05:29] <bddebian> scons: Building targets ...
[05:29] <bddebian> Install file: "build/linux/dangerdeep" as "/usr/games/dangerdeep"
[05:29] <bddebian> scons: *** [/usr/games/dangerdeep]  /usr/games/dangerdeep: Permission denied
[05:29] <bddebian> scons: building terminated because of errors.
[05:29] <ajmitch> it's not prefixing $(CURDIR)/debian/dangerdeep
[05:30] <ajmitch> and trying to write to files outside of the package tree, which is bad & wrong
[05:30] <bddebian> I know, I can't seem to get scons to figure that out
[05:30] <ajmitch> is this one  you're packaging, or something imported from elsewhere?
[05:31] <ajmitch> since it's not in debian
[05:31] <bddebian> No, this is dangerdeep from SourceForge
[05:31] <ajmitch> yeah, I had that one installed
[05:31] <ajmitch> not a terribly exciting game
[05:32] <ajmitch> one moment
[05:32] <bddebian> Yeah, I've kind of noticed that.  Maybe I should try S.C.O.U.R.G.E or something
[05:33] <ajmitch>   scons prefix=/usr installprefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/yafray install
[05:33] <ajmitch>         find $(CURDIR)/debian/yafray/ -name .sconsign -exec rm {} ';'
[05:33] <ajmitch> from yafray's debian/rules
[05:33] <ajmitch> in the install: target
[05:34] <bddebian> Ahh
[05:34] <ajmitch> plenty of examples already in ubuntu
[05:34] <bddebian> Maybe I shouldn't bother since it's boring? :-)
[05:35] <ajmitch> do what you wish
[05:35] <bddebian> Well I wish to fix the Hurd and Mach but that's hopeless ;-P
[05:35] <ajmitch> heh
[05:35] <ajmitch> lost cause
[05:40] <bddebian> I just thought I'd try something different whilst waiting for all my sync requests and/or libiexxx to come through NEW
[06:18] <rjd> hey
[06:22] <rjd> exit
[09:19] <Plug> hey all
[09:19] <Plug> what package version should I use for a package built from CVS HEAD?
[09:21] <ajmitch> hi plug
[09:21] <ajmitch> generally something lower than what it'll be at release time
[09:22] <Plug> hey
[09:22] <Plug> mplayer seems to use 0.current+0.nextrel+cvsDATE
[09:22] <ajmitch> iirc we support ~, so you could use x.y.z~cvs.20060806-0ubuntu1
[09:22] <ajmitch> that's the other common way to do it
[09:23] <Plug> is there a doc somewhere about how the ubuntuX versioning at the end works?
[09:23] <ajmitch> if the wiki's up, there should be
[09:23] <ajmitch> looks to still be dead
[09:24] <ajmitch> it's generally -0ubuntu1 for new upstream versions, to be lower than debian's
[09:24] <ajmitch> or if debian has -1, and you make a change, it becomes -1ubuntu1
[09:24] <ajmitch> additional changes would be -1ubuntu2, etc
[09:24] <Plug> if it's not in Debian, does it need an -ubuntu?
[09:24] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[09:24] <ajmitch> yeah
[09:25] <Plug> yay
[09:25] <Plug> (wiki loading eventually)
[09:35] <imbrandon> yea its on the wiki at !versioning
[09:36] <imbrandon> err
[09:36] <imbrandon> !versioning
[09:36] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian have slightly different package versioning schemes, for an explanation see http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html#id2528873
[09:36] <imbrandon> moins ajmitch
[09:36] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon
[09:37] <imbrandon> hrm ajmitch how long does it take the archive guys to do a sync normaly ?
[09:39] <crimsun> considering it's the weekend, I wouldn't count on it being processed until Monday noon. Granted Kamion sometimes processes them on the weekends, but with the Dapper point release and Knot 2 on the plate, I wouldn't expect that.
[09:39] <imbrandon> i requested malone #55193 ~2 days or so ago, but nothing yet, can you peek at it and make sure i did it correct
[09:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55193 in kbfx "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync kbfx-0.4.9.1+20060611cvs from Debian unstable" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55193
[09:39] <imbrandon> ahh weekend, dident think aobut that
[09:39] <imbrandon> thanks crimsun
[09:40] <imbrandon> yea and Kamion said something about going to iwj's for the evening yesterday so i doubt he is processing anything
[09:44] <imbrandon> quite in here this morning
[09:52] <imbrandon> i dont even see a CC meeting on the schedule
[09:53] <imbrandon>  /win 7
[09:53] <imbrandon> gah
[09:53] <Fujitsu> There isn't yet.
[09:53] <Fujitsu> There never is.
[09:53] <imbrandon> heh
[09:53] <Fujitsu> But there's one on Monday or Tuesday.
[09:54] <imbrandon> i'm just happy i got my mail running through a local imap server with spamassissan this weekend
[09:55] <imbrandon> i'm gonna have to train it a bit more though, seems to only catch about 60% of the spam
[09:55] <imbrandon> but thats better than 0% i guess ;)
[11:18] <rob> bug: 52649
[11:18] <rob> sigh, how do you use that thing? :)
[11:18] <imbrandon> malone bug 52649
[11:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52649 in linux-source-2.6.15 "After installing the latest Linux kernel with Update Manager, Gnome start not normal." [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52649
[11:18] <rob> ah, thanks!
[11:18] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:18] <imbrandon> kde bug 4564564324
[11:19] <imbrandon> debian bug 4534542352
[11:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:19] <imbrandon> ( if they were actualy bug numbers those would work too )
[11:23] <crimsun> wtf
[11:23] <crimsun> people should /not/ be allowed to randomly assign others [than themselves]  to bugs
[11:24] <crimsun> if I were Chuck I'd be pretty ticked
[11:24] <imbrandon> crimsun: i kinda thought the same thing
[11:24] <imbrandon> subscribe , possibly but assign , no
[11:25] <crimsun> assigning to yourself, I think, is valid
[11:25] <imbrandon> yea , i mean others
[11:25] <imbrandon> chuck == zu*l ?
[11:26] <crimsun> yes
[11:28] <ajmitch> crimsun: what bug did that happen with?
[11:28] <crimsun> bug 52649
[11:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52649 in linux-source-2.6.15 "After installing the latest Linux kernel with Update Manager, Gnome start not normal." [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52649
[11:28] <ajmitch> ah
[11:29] <ajmitch> and he was the person mentioned in the changelog
[11:30] <crimsun> indeed. It'd be one thing if Chuck said, "Sure, assign it to me," but this seems a bit toss-here-it's-yours
[11:30] <ajmitch> or "OMG yuo broke it fix it now!!"
[11:30] <imbrandon> heh you forgot !!!1111oneoneone ajmitch  ;)
[11:30] <ajmitch> sorry
[11:31] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:31] <ajmitch> I was trying to restrain myself
[11:34] <imbrandon> gah can someone ping enterprise.buntudot.org and tell me the ip they get, i think my dns is screwy
[11:35] <ajmitch> 208.113.154.221
[11:35] <ajmitch> and
[11:35] <ajmitch> 72.135.8.5
[11:35] <imbrandon> hrm both ?
[11:35] <imbrandon> strange
[11:35] <ajmitch> dig shows 2 A records
[11:35] <imbrandon> should only get the latter, yea /me needs to fix that
[11:38] <Burgundavia> yoMOTUs of the world. The UWN is always looking for new and interesting updated packages to talk about. You might even get your name in lights! Add ideas to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue9
[11:41] <rob> yoSpammer!
[11:41] <rob> :P
[11:41] <Burgundavia> I like to think of it as a PSA
[11:41] <Burgundavia> note I haven't left right away
[11:42] <imbrandon> heh , drive by irc spamming
[11:42] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:42] <Burgundavia> it is all the same bloody people, no matter what channel I go to. I give up ;)
[11:42] <ajmitch> context is important :)
[11:43] <ajmitch> last-exit is fairly nice
[11:43] <imbrandon> ajmitch: xgl /
[11:43] <imbrandon> heh
[11:43] <ajmitch> imbrandon: already mentioned in issue 8
[11:43] <rob> well, I'd like to see some games featured
[11:43] <imbrandon> ahh
[11:43] <imbrandon> i havent ready 8 yet
[11:43] <imbrandon> games and xen
[11:44] <imbrandon> would be cool
[11:44] <rob> tremulous made it into edgy recently, didn't it?
[11:44] <Burgundavia> we can feature one package, but what I am truly looking for new crack in the next week
[11:44] <rob> thats pretty cool
[11:44] <imbrandon> xen ;)
[11:44] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: surely you've covered jokosher in detail?
[11:44] <Burgundavia> my spidey-sense says no, rob
[11:44] <ajmitch> heh, xen would be interesting
[11:44] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: I mentioned it
[11:45] <rob> Burgundavia, yes it is, http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/games/tremulous
[11:45] <Burgundavia> is xen available by default?
[11:45] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: universe package still, iirc
[11:45] <ajmitch> it's a separate kernel, just landed recently
[11:45] <rob> multiverse, yes
[11:45] <Burgundavia> ok, so not yet Knot material
[11:45] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea zul said he would have proper /good/ amd64 packages for xen by the end of the weekend ( said this friday )
[11:45] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yes, he's been building them on my box
[11:45] <Burgundavia> rob: wierd, it didn't go into ubuntu-changes. Auto-sync?
[11:45] <imbrandon> ajmitch: nice
[11:45] <rob> might be a problem?
[11:46] <Burgundavia> if one of you wants to right up a short para on xen, that would be dandy
[11:46] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I tried testing it in vmware, but xen on vmware causes massive slowdown in the vm
[11:46] <Burgundavia> similar to what i have done with galago/telepathy in issue 8
[11:46] <ajmitch> even just booting the dom0 kernel
[11:46] <rob> no ubuntu version, so yes autosync from Debian
[11:46] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ahh
[11:46] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I'd probably wait for xen to get a bit more polish in the setup
[11:46] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, I can see it in my edgy-changes... 2006/07/20
[11:46] <ajmitch> maybe for UWN 10
[11:47] <Nafallo> morning all, and no, it's not a good morning :-(
[11:47] <ajmitch> hi Nafallo
[11:47] <imbrandon> 'ello Nafallo
[11:47] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: UWN is showcasing new crack, regardless of its usefulness
[11:47] <ajmitch> true
[11:47] <ajmitch> when's the deadline for UWN 9 material?
[11:47] <Burgundavia> 12th-ish
[11:48] <ajmitch> ok, plenty of time
[11:48] <ajmitch> so you plan to actually release this weekly?
[11:48] <Burgundavia> this is issue 9
[11:48] <ajmitch> yes, I know
[11:48] <Burgundavia> we have not missed a week, but we have been a bit tardy
[11:48] <Burgundavia> there is more than enough to talk about
[11:49] <ajmitch> f-spot in desktop :)
[11:49] <ajmitch> SoC project updates, etc
[11:49] <Burgundavia> yep
[11:49] <imbrandon> yea f-spot and banshee ;) moreso f-spot
[11:49] <Burgundavia> trying to juggle UWN and the Knot releases as well
[11:52] <ajmitch> UWN 8 was good, it covered a fair amount
[11:56] <Nafallo> http://www.nafallo.info/blog/index.html.en
[11:57] <elmargol> Hi is there a way to get universe package packported to dapper?
[11:58] <siretart> hi
[11:58] <Nafallo> siretart: morning
[11:58] <siretart> elmargol: try https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+filebug
[11:58] <elmargol> democracyplayer is on edgy now (a bugy old version). should i request a sync to the new version and a backport?
[11:59] <Fujitsu> Nafallo, I cannot connect to nafallo.info...
[11:59] <siretart> bddebian: FYI: kernel-headers 2.6.17 have just been uploaded to debian
[11:59] <siretart> hi Nafallo
[11:59] <ajmitch> hello siretart
[11:59] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: oh?
[11:59] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[11:59] <imbrandon> moins siretart
[12:00] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: I can both ping and ping6 from outside...
[12:01] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[12:01] <Fujitsu> It seems to be defaulting to using the IPv6 for some reason.
[12:01] <Fujitsu> And my v6 tunnel seems to have failed.
[12:01] <ajmitch> it always defaults to ipv6
[12:02] <ajmitch> that's expected behaviour
[12:02] <Fujitsu> And it finally loads.
[12:03] <Fujitsu> Probably.
[12:03] <ajmitch> imbrandon: most people shouldn't have to care about it
[12:04] <imbrandon> ajmitch: and hopefully i'm one of them lol but somehow i doubt it
[12:05] <imbrandon> sides its always good to learn ( if you have the time )
[12:05] <imbrandon> heh
[12:05] <imbrandon> s/its/anything\ is
[12:10] <Nafallo> ooh
[12:10] <Nafallo> ajmitch: care to look at malon #55334 ? :-)
[12:11] <imbrandon> malone 55334
[12:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55334 in network-manager "nm-applet doesn't start" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55334
[12:13] <ajmitch> Nafallo: I find it interesting that you have this bug
[12:14] <Fujitsu> Nafallo, ouch... What nasty bites.
[12:15] <ajmitch> Nafallo: btw the suggested way for getting it sponsored is inlining a debdiff
[12:15] <ajmitch> since giving a deb-src line is one of the more inconvenient ways to do it
[12:15] <Nafallo> ajmitch: well, by laptop is dead :-/
[12:15] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: indeed. I wonder how much power the rabbit got...
[12:16] <Fujitsu> It's still around?
[12:16] <imbrandon> Nafallo: just the power courd heh
[12:16] <Nafallo> imbrandon: yea, but I have no working battery :-(
[12:16] <imbrandon> ouch
[12:17] <imbrandon> arg almost time for breakfast with the extended family /me is not looking forward to this
[12:17] <Nafallo> ajmitch: was an easy bug to fix :-).
[12:17] <imbrandon> i might revive my blg this after noon, i havent updated it in months
[12:17] <imbrandon> blog*
[12:18] <ajmitch> Nafallo: changelog is a bit hard to parse
[12:18] <Nafallo> ajmitch: just adding dh_iconcache to network-manager-gnome.
[12:19] <imbrandon> more dh_iconcache stuff? thought that was all done hehe
[12:19] <ajmitch> Nafallo: yes I can see that
[12:19] <Nafallo> seems not to have been for network-manager :-/
[12:20] <ajmitch> but "See to that network-manager-gnome have dh_iconcache run." doesn't make sense - late night fix? :)
[12:20] <Nafallo> hehe, yep :-)
[12:20] <Nafallo> real late :-P
[12:21] <ajmitch> & what are you typing on now?
[12:21] <Nafallo> a real slow computer
[12:21] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:21] <Nafallo> I'm not even sure if I want to call it a computer ;-)
[12:21] <imbrandon> heh
[12:21] <ajmitch> running windows? :)
[12:22] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, I hope not.
[12:22] <Nafallo> I don't have windows ;-)
[12:22] <ajmitch> I'm glad
[12:22] <Fujitsu> Oh, phew.
[12:22] <imbrandon> thats why its always nice to have ssh access to somewhere for building as a backup ;)
[12:23] <imbrandon> moins Hobbsee
[12:23] <ajmitch> uh oh, trouble's here
[12:23] <imbrandon> lol
[12:23] <Hobbsee> hi im
[12:23] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[12:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heh.
[12:23] <Hobbsee> hi Fujitsu
[12:33] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I found devtools installed here. any suggestions for a better changelog-line? :-)
[12:34] <Nafallo> something like: - Add dh_iconcache to network-manager-gnome. maybe? :-)
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: you can just uses "Added dh_iconcache" for that - or note that it's in debian/rules if you want
[12:35] <Nafallo> yea, I have something that equals that now :-)
[12:36] <Nafallo> ajmitch: updated my repo with better changelog ;-)
[12:38] <Nafallo> ajmitch: debdiff added to bugreport aswell
[12:41] <Plug> Nafallo: Do you maintain network-manager?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> Plug: keybuk does
[12:42] <Nafallo> I did before Keybuk :-)
[12:42] <Plug> rockin'
[12:42] <Plug> I'm currently working with the author on the PPTP plugin
[12:43] <Plug> with a view to having something to submit for edgy
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: ah :)
[12:44] <Nafallo> nice :-)
[12:44] <Plug> do you have a nice GUI to set them up? :)
[12:44] <Nafallo> nope
[12:45] <Nafallo> but then again. my router set them up at boot ;-
[12:45] <Nafallo> ;-)
[12:45] <Nafallo> s/set/sets/
[12:48] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:49] <Nafallo> isn
[12:49] <Nafallo> isn't "sudo update-manager -d" supposed to give me edgy?
[12:52] <imbrandon> Nafallo: yea afaik
[12:52] <imbrandon> debian #380661
[12:52] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 380661 in wnpp "Subject: ITP: kdmtheme -- theme manager for KDM" [Wishlist,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/380661
[12:53] <Nafallo> or not :-P
[12:54] <Nafallo> malone #53363
[12:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53363 in update-manager "-d doesn't give me edgy" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53363
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: surely not until it's released.
[12:56] <Nafallo>   -d, --devel-release   Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is
[12:56] <Nafallo>                         possible
[12:57] <Hobbsee> right...
[12:57] <Hobbsee> if it's that easy to get edgy...i'd mark it as "notabug - it shouldnt be that way anyway"
[12:57] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yea -d should give edgy
[12:57] <Hobbsee> but tha'ts just my personal opinion :P
[12:58] <Hobbsee> fact of the matter is, edgy tends to break when you upgrade it, so you have to do bits manually anyway.
[12:58] <imbrandon> heh thats by design ( the -d )
[12:58] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: well, that DOES NOT give me edgy. it's only supposed to :-P
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: yes.  did it not give you edgy, or did it break on the way of getting to edgy? :P
[12:59] <Nafallo> -d doesn't do _anything_ from my POV ;-)
[12:59] <Hobbsee> ah right
[01:00] <Nafallo> :-L
[01:00] <Nafallo> ehm
[01:00] <Nafallo> :-P
[01:00] <Nafallo> even
[01:01] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: uh, does network-manager use cdbs?
[01:01] <Nafallo> yes
[01:01] <Nafallo> it's not
[01:02] <Nafallo> only the autotools class
[01:02] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: it doesn't use the gnome cdbs stuff
[01:02] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:02] <Hobbsee> or the kde, or the xfce cdbs stuff.
[01:02] <Hobbsee> pity.
[01:03] <Nafallo> well, most of the binarys are not for a desktop environment.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> true
[01:03] <Nafallo> infact, only network-manager-gnome is :-P
[01:03] <Hobbsee> point taken
[01:04] <Nafallo> yea, I didn't mean to offend you.
[01:04] <Hobbsee> you didnt :)
[01:05] <Nafallo> good :-)
[01:06] <ajmitch> takes more than that
[01:06] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heh, what would you know about it?
[01:09] <ajmitch> enough
[01:09] <ajmitch> Nafallo: built fine, looks good
[01:10] <Nafallo> nice :-)
[01:10] <Nafallo> I tested it on my laptop yesterday, and it solved the problem
[01:11] <ajmitch> I should check that main uploads aren't frozen for knot-2
[01:11] <ajmitch> nothing in the topic, must be good to upload
[01:12] <Nafallo> it's a bugfix that makes network-manager "just work" again :-)
[01:12] <Nafallo> should be good
[01:12] <ajmitch> uploaded
[01:14] <phanatic> afternoon
[01:14] <Nafallo> thanks :-)
[01:14] <ajmitch> if not, oh well
[01:15] <Nafallo> indeed :-)
[01:15] <ajmitch> are we using xulrunner-dev instead of firefox-dev yet?
[01:15] <Nafallo> that should have been his bug so... ;-)
[01:15] <Nafallo> don't think so :-(
[01:15] <ajmitch> right
[01:15] <Nafallo> I don't even think it was edgy material
[01:15] <ajmitch> bug 55382 can't be a straight sync then
[01:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55382 in democracyplayer "Please sync to the new upstream version." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55382
[01:15] <Nafallo> edgy+1 hopefully
[01:22] <imbrandon> ajmitch: a package in edgy can dep on just python if its wanting python2.4 right ?
[01:23] <imbrandon> since python == 2.4.x in edgy
[01:24] <ajmitch> if it needs python >= 2.4 then it should state that
[01:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, and python automatically depends on the latest python version anyway, according to debian
[01:24] <imbrandon> ok well i was mergin something from debian and we have >= 2.4 but debain has no req
[01:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: apt-cache show python-dev
[01:25] <Nafallo> EWRONGCHAN
[01:25] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: i know about that i was asking about the policy
[01:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ahh...
[01:25] <StevenK> imbrandon: It should be using the new Python policy
[01:26] <StevenK> It does not.
[01:26] <StevenK> BAH!
[01:26] <StevenK> It does involve not hard coding, that is.
[01:26] <imbrandon> StevenK: got a pointer to the new policy, and no this hasent been updated since horay so i doubt it is
[01:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: which package is this for?
[01:27] <StevenK> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy
[01:28] <ajmitch> there's probably a bug in debian open about the policy for that package now
[01:30] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: no package , its a sync, but i was wondering about it for future ref
[01:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah right
[01:32] <imbrandon> syslog-summary is what i was looking at though
[01:36] <Nafallo> enhances logcheck, I would say.
[01:37] <ajmitch> it looks relatively unmaintained in debian
[01:37] <ajmitch> last maintainer upload was in 2003
[01:37] <ajmitch> previous one before that was 2001..
[01:38] <imbrandon> so about a year past due for an upload ? hehe
[01:38] <StevenK> "Relatively"
[01:38] <ajmitch> RC bugs had to be fixed by NMU
[01:38] <ajmitch> StevenK: well, there are some few packages that can get away with no uploads for that length of time
[01:41] <TheMuso> I found something very interesting with the new python policy, python central, and a package I updated the other day.
[01:42] <TheMuso> According to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy, in the section about python central, you can have something like XS-Python-Version set to current, >=2.4 etc. Now I have seen that for one package in universe, that used python-support.
[01:42] <TheMuso> However, when installing the package, python central chucked a spaz over that field, even though according to the policy, it seems correct.
[01:43] <doko> TheMuso: known, needs a fix, just set XS-Python-Version to current
[01:43] <TheMuso> doko: RIght, well on the grounds of that policy, the package was uploaded. It is accessibility related, so I will let anybody know who asks about it what it is. Thanks.
[02:57] <elmargol> where can I change my mail for debchange?
[02:59] <tseng> export DEBEMAIL="Your Name <youremail>"
[02:59] <Hobbsee> elmargol: in .bashrc too
[03:02] <StevenK> It ought to be two environment variables.
[03:02] <StevenK> DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL
[03:02] <StevenK> Usually you will only need to set DEBEMAIL
[03:02] <TheMuso> Yep. I've only got DEBEMAIL set here, and my name is found from my user account details.
[03:02] <TheMuso> If one is referring to stuff in changelogs.
[03:02] <StevenK> Correct.
[03:03] <StevenK> DEBFULLNAME falls back to GECOS
[03:03] <Nafallo> kewl
[03:04] <StevenK> DEBFULLNAME is useful if you have an comment set on your GPG key.
[03:04] <StevenK> "My Name (Debian)", etc...
[03:04] <Nafallo> I haven't :-)
[03:04] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[03:05] <elmargol> this doesn't work for me :(
[03:05] <TheMuso> BZREMAIL is also another useful one.
[03:06] <elmargol> I did export DEBEMAIL="Markus Golser <elmargol@googlemail.com>"
[03:06] <elmargol> and added this line to .bashrc
[03:07] <StevenK> elmargol: You may well get "Markus Golser Markus Golser <elmargol@googlemail.com>" then
[03:07] <elmargol> ?
[03:10] <elmargol> StevenK, how do you mean this?
[03:10] <StevenK> elmargol: I mean the system may well return that since your full name is in DEBEMAIL
[03:10] <TheMuso> DEBEMAIL should only contain your email address, and not your name.
[03:10] <elmargol> ah ok
[03:12] <elmargol> thx
[03:13] <TheMuso> np
[03:14] <TheMuso> Night folks.
[03:14] <elmargol> i did debdiff and got a 3,1M big diff :(
[03:15] <Hobbsee> elmargol: ouch?  did you debdiff against the right things?
[03:15] <elmargol> i think so. i did old.dsc new.dsc
[03:24] <elmargol> Hobbsee, i ported democracy to a new upstram version. maybe they changed a lot upstream
[03:24] <kozz> I'm wondering if someone could help me with a sponsored upload
[03:24] <Hobbsee> elmargol: quite possibly.
[03:24] <kozz> it's in main tho
[03:24] <Hobbsee> kozz: not enough info.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:24] <Hobbsee> kozz: wha'ts it for?
[03:24] <kozz> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mkvmlinuz/+bug/53460
[03:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53460 in mkvmlinuz "mkvmlinuz fails to create kernel" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[03:25] <Hobbsee> kozz: probably ask in #ubuntu-devel - but it's a sunday, so i doubt anyone will be around.  unless ajmitch or anotehr core dev is here
[03:26] <elmargol> Hobbsee, any suggestions?
[03:26] <kozz> ok, so you can't do it? ;)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> elmargol: pastebin the debdiff somewhere, and give us the link
[03:26] <Hobbsee> elmargol: no, unfortunately
[03:26] <elmargol> k
[03:27] <kozz> Hobbsee: ohh, right
[03:27] <elmargol> i try to gzip it
[03:27] <Hobbsee> elmargol: go to pastebin.ca and paste it there, then give us the link in here
[03:28] <elmargol> 60.000 bytes limit there...
[03:30] <Hobbsee> ouch
[03:32] <elmargol> I use my own webspace :D
[03:39] <elmargol> damn no file upload at blogger.com :D
[03:39] <Hobbsee> elmargol: or just upload the source somewhere
[03:53] <elmargol> maybe someone can give 1-2Mb webspace?
[04:05] <elmargol> Hobbsee: http://elmargol.el.funpic.de/democracyplayer_debdiff.bz2
[04:06] <Hobbsee> yay for funpic.de :)
[04:06] <Hobbsee> hyperupload.com is useful for such things, btw.  i only just remembered
[04:07] <elmargol> I think funpic works as file hoster :D
[04:07] <elmargol> I don't do real things there :D
[04:07] <Hobbsee> elmargol: versioning is wrong, for a start.
[04:07] <elmargol> why?
[04:08] <Hobbsee> elmargol: see the packaging guide
[04:08] <Hobbsee> what's the upstream version?
[04:08] <elmargol> 0.8.5
[04:09] <Hobbsee> elmargol: should be (0.8.5.0-0ubuntu1) edgy then
[04:09] <Hobbsee> in the debian/changelog
[04:09] <elmargol> k i change it
[04:10] <Nafallo> why an extra .0 in the upstream versionnumber?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: mainly due to the format of the last changelog entry.   democracyplayer (0.8.4.1-1) unstable; urgency=low
[04:11] <Nafallo> ehm, I would have it as 0.8.5-0ubuntu1 :-)
[04:11] <Nafallo> if there is a bugfix version that can be named 0.8.5.1
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: yeah, but i'm uncertain as to whether 0.8.5-0ubuntu1 < 0.8.5.1
[04:11] <Nafallo> as with gajim... 0.10 and then 0.10.1
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: i think it is, but i was going to play it safe - based on how debian had versioned theirs
[04:12] <Nafallo> 0.8.5.1 should be higher :-)
[04:12] <Hobbsee> er, or 0.8.5.0-1, too...
[04:12] <Nafallo> probably debian packaged upstream version 0.8.4.1? :-)
[04:13] <Nafallo> ajmitch: what was the command to compare two version strings? :-)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: cant see without grabbing the source, or going and checkign their changelogs
[04:13] <Hobbsee> madison or something, maybe?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> elmargol: oh, you also need to say it's a new upstream release in your changelog, too.
[04:13] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: no, there is a dpkg-command for that :-)
[04:14] <Hobbsee> elmargol: you can have multiple *'s in the changelog
[04:14] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: i'm sure there is.  try dpkg --help or something :P
[04:15] <Nafallo> hmm, I don't have it, but then again. I'm in the middle of an dist-upgrade ;-)
[04:15] <Nafallo> manual dist-upgrade :-P
[04:16] <geser> dpkg --compare-versions ver1 op ver2
[04:16] <Nafallo> ah, thanks
[04:16] <geser> and op is one of < << <= = >= >> >
[04:17] <Nafallo> 1 is false I guess?
[04:18] <Nafallo> baah. can't use it.
[04:19] <Nafallo> I only got = to work :-P
[04:20] <geser> dpkg --compare-versions 0.8.5-0ubuntu1 \< 0.8.5.1
[04:20] <geser> results in 0 which means true
[04:23] <elmargol> OK i changed this.
[04:28] <Nafallo> ah, so it should be 0.8.5-0ubuntu1 then :-)
[04:28] <elmargol> :(
[04:28] <elmargol> are you sure?
[04:33] <Nafallo> yepp
[04:33] <elmargol> ok i change it again...
[04:52] <zul_> i think they can be found in germany
[04:52] <Nafallo> they use to be here aswell :-)
[04:53] <Nafallo> siretart: ping? :-)
[04:54] <siretart> hi Nafallo
[04:55] <Nafallo> siretart: hi! What does: Inkl. MwSt. und zzgl. mean? :-)
[04:56] <siretart> Nafallo: inkl MwSt is an abbrv for 'inklusive Mehrwertsteuer', this means including tax
[04:56] <geser> inkl. Mwst = including vat
[04:56] <siretart> Nafallo: zzgl. MwSt means you have to add tax
[04:57] <siretart> oh, right, vat is a better translation. thanks geser
[04:57] <Nafallo> so ehm... does it include tax in the price or not? :-)
[04:57] <Nafallo> s/tax/vat/
[04:57] <siretart> Nafallo: it depends. inkl. means with, and zzgl. without
[04:58] <Nafallo> aha! the link should also be text there...
[04:58] <Nafallo> Inkl. MwSt. und zzgl.  Versandkosten
[04:58] <Nafallo> so include vat, but not freight? :-)
[04:59] <geser> yes
[05:00] <Nafallo> nice. that means I might have a battery and the ac/dc-adapter for 4/5 of what I expected :-)
[05:00] <Nafallo> geser, siretart: thanks guys! :-)
[06:04] <chx> hi... i was looking for the siag office but can't find it anywhere :( any tips?
[06:06] <chx> ah it seems that even debian has only oldstable ... ok. nevermind
[07:55] <phanatic> evening
[10:47] <ajmitch> morning
[10:53] <Czubek> ajmitch: 22:52 :)
[10:53] <ajmitch> yes, but we know that it's always morning somewhere in the world
[10:54] <Czubek> ;)
[11:01] <Mez> !bug 40956
[11:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40956 in plptools "Running ncpd in Dapper causes major input issues" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40956
[11:01] <ubotu> I know nothing about bug 40956 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:29] <bmonty> ajmitch: ping
[11:31] <jdmpike_> are there any tools which track what packages you have installed with which you can force architecture?
[11:31] <Mez> what do you mean "force architecture"
[11:32] <jdmpike_> I want to install a i386 only package on my amd64 install, but I don't want to use dpkg -i --force-architecture
[11:32] <Mez> why not ?
[11:32] <jdmpike_> because I can't remove that package once it is installed
[11:33] <jdmpike_> dpkg -r --purge package name
[11:33] <Mez> jdmpike_ - apt-get remove package
[11:33] <jdmpike_> that is the problem, when I install with dpkg, it doesn't remove with apt-get
[11:33] <Mez> should do
[11:34] <Mez> does with me
[11:34] <jdmpike_> ok, I will take your word for it
[11:34] <Mez> lemme test
[11:37] <Mez> yeah it does
[12:07] <railz2> sorry to ask here, no one can help me in #ubuntu, i'm trying to upgrade my friends hoary box to dapper and I have the cd with me