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| Burgundavia | pygi: pong | 12:33 |
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| pygi | Burgundavia, you have a sec? | 12:33 |
| pygi | or shall we talk later today? | 12:33 |
| Burgundavia | now works | 12:35 |
| pygi | oki, so students have less then to weeks to finish their applications... | 12:36 |
| pygi | do we hear from everyone? do we have status report and usable code from everyone? | 12:36 |
| Burgundavia | I have not heard from anselmo or your student | 12:37 |
| Burgundavia | amaranth and evan have stuff in the repo | 12:37 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch is apparently doing well | 12:37 |
| pygi | anselmo, neither have I | 12:37 |
| pygi | I hear from all my students | 12:38 |
| Burgundavia | apparently dholbach has seen code | 12:38 |
| pygi | kinda, one isnt responsive | 12:38 |
| pygi | hm, right , other students? | 12:38 |
| pygi | jbailey's student? | 12:38 |
| Burgundavia | no idea, I have heard nothing | 12:38 |
| pygi | will try to catch jbailey tommorow | 12:39 |
| pygi | oki, next? | 12:39 |
| pygi | Riddell's students? | 12:39 |
| Burgundavia | not heard anything | 12:40 |
| Burgundavia | henrik's sok is apparently proceding | 12:40 |
| pygi | uh, mvo I'll poke him tommorow | 12:40 |
| Burgundavia | oh, the edubuntu study thing is going | 12:41 |
| pygi | so for now, needs poking: riddell, jbailey, mvo | 12:41 |
| pygi | yup, I know that, Ryan is doing great work | 12:41 |
| pygi | Henrik needs poking for his two students | 12:41 |
| pygi | vuntz also | 12:41 |
| pygi | ssflaw | 12:41 |
| pygi | and rob holand | 12:42 |
| pygi | oki, so I'll poke jbailey, mvo and riddell tommorow | 12:42 |
| pygi | could you handle the rest? | 12:42 |
| Burgundavia | could you do it? I am going to be insanely busy the next few days | 12:42 |
| pygi | hm, so will I, but I can try,ok | 12:44 |
| ajmitch | hi | 12:44 |
| Signifer | hey | 12:44 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: I may be doing ok, but I got called up for jury service this week | 12:44 |
| ajmitch | which sucks somewhat | 12:44 |
| pygi | Burgundavia, will do then ^_^ | 12:44 |
| pygi | night all :) | 12:45 |
| Burgundavia | night | 12:45 |
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| bimberi | j #kubuntu | 02:48 |
| bimberi | argh :) | 02:48 |
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| cbx33 | hey Yagisan_ | 08:59 |
| cbx33 | hi RichEd | 08:59 |
| Yagisan | G'day cbx33 | 09:00 |
| cbx33 | hi Yagisan howz it going | 09:02 |
| Yagisan | busy. Had some nice work yesterday | 09:02 |
| Yagisan | :) | 09:02 |
| cbx33 | yeh? | 09:03 |
| Yagisan | cbx33, yes. Had to fix a compromised Windows box | 09:04 |
| cbx33 | ooooh cool | 09:04 |
| cbx33 | I've done that before | 09:04 |
| cbx33 | someone had installed an smtp server on there | 09:04 |
| Yagisan | client was very happy. I drop off an Ubuntu CD for him to try when I'm next there | 09:04 |
| cbx33 | was sending tonnes of spam | 09:04 |
| cbx33 | Yagisan, ahahahah | 09:04 |
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| cbx33 | RichEd, any outcome yet? | 09:06 |
| RichEd | hello | 09:06 |
| RichEd | hi cbx33 ... | 09:06 |
| RichEd | yes, decision, but unfortunately not in support :( | 09:07 |
| cbx33 | ok cool | 09:07 |
| cbx33 | Right I want to make an apology for not getting the meeting minutes done of late | 09:07 |
| cbx33 | I think I have missed two weeks | 09:07 |
| RichEd | the policy at this stage is that Canonical will support groups who have a stand, and want to promote Edubuntu | 09:07 |
| cbx33 | I can see not why it was always so difficult for JaneW to keep up | 09:08 |
| cbx33 | s/not/now | 09:08 |
| RichEd | but it is not commercially possible to pay for stands ... with one exception | 09:08 |
| cbx33 | RichEd, yeh, that's fine | 09:08 |
| cbx33 | I knew that would be the answer anyway so I'm not supprised | 09:09 |
| RichEd | if there is an IT in education conference, where various Linux flavours are competing for prominence, Edubuntu should consider representation | 09:09 |
| RichEd | re minutes, not significant if you can catch up | 09:09 |
| Laser_away | roughly how much does a stand cost? I have no idea | 09:10 |
| cbx33 | Laser_away, a lot | 09:10 |
| cbx33 | $900 per square metre | 09:11 |
| RichEd | On the conference note, following my discussions with Mark, I'll share later this week where we stand, and what the targets are for the next 12 months. | 09:11 |
| jsgotangco | hey guys | 09:11 |
| cbx33 | ok RichEd | 09:11 |
| cbx33 | what about the other stuff like edubuntu packs | 09:12 |
| Laser_away | cbx33: wow!! | 09:12 |
| cbx33 | Laser_away, yup | 09:12 |
| RichEd | In brief, at this stage, we are a "cost expense to canonical" and need to move towards self-sufficiency (cost vs income). | 09:12 |
| cbx33 | right | 09:12 |
| cbx33 | so basically a no go on pretty much everything | 09:12 |
| RichEd | There are some set steps to acheiving this, and the order of execution & promotion is important. | 09:12 |
| RichEd | No, that was in refefernce to my above thread ! | 09:13 |
| RichEd | Packs & support, yes. T-Shirts, disks, stickers. Case studies on the way. | 09:13 |
| cbx33 | ah right cool | 09:13 |
| jsgotangco | yay | 09:13 |
| jsgotangco | community booths would be hot with those | 09:13 |
| RichEd | So we can assist other people already with a promotion vehicle. | 09:14 |
| cbx33 | http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/06/another-powerbook-violently-explodes/ | 09:14 |
| Laser_away | RichEd: does Canonical sell commercial support for Edubuntu? | 09:14 |
| RichEd | Any event, conference or promotion or school-open-day ... can all request support. | 09:14 |
| jsgotangco | Laser_away: sure | 09:15 |
| RichEd | Laser_away: not yet ... there has been no call (for desktop) | 09:15 |
| jsgotangco | its still Ubuntu | 09:15 |
| RichEd | But is is an area that can be explored ... where it makes sense. | 09:15 |
| Laser_away | RichEd: you need to get Edubuntu into universities with lots of grant money ;-) | 09:16 |
| jsgotangco | edubuntu classroom server support seems to have potential | 09:16 |
| RichEd | e.g. If an Education department standardises on Edubuntu desktop ... they may want support | 09:16 |
| RichEd | e.g. If an Education department standardises on Edubuntu servers ... they may want support | 09:17 |
| RichEd | but 1 server in one classroom is probably not a proposition from either side | 09:17 |
| RichEd | hi jsgotangco | 09:17 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: hey! | 09:17 |
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| jsgotangco | sure sure | 09:19 |
| jsgotangco | i made a 30 page slide on Edubuntu | 09:20 |
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| jsgotangco | its very very basic | 09:20 |
| highvoltage | good mornign everyone | 09:35 |
| RichEd | 'lo hi' | 09:42 |
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| highvoltage | :) | 09:59 |
| highvoltage | locate ogra | 09:59 |
| pygi | *database non-existant* | 10:03 |
| RichEd | hi ... anyone seen ogra or rodarvus around lately ? | 10:27 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: saw today's wikipedia featured article? | 10:35 |
| RichEd | not yet ... wossit about ? | 10:35 |
| RichEd | highvoltage: you talkin' about chippy & shabby & zoomie ? | 10:44 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: hehe, yes | 10:44 |
| RichEd | a sorry state of affairs ... or to be accurate a sorry affair of the state ") | 10:45 |
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| RichEd | i see ubuntu was a featured article recently ... pity we caught a saturday when people weren't browsing at work | 10:47 |
| RichEd | hi ogra :) | 10:47 |
| highvoltage | hey ogra | 10:47 |
| ogra | hey | 10:48 |
| highvoltage | ogra: can I specify another NFS root than /opt/ltsp/i386 in the tftpboot kernel line? do you know if I can use root=/opt/ltsp/other? | 10:48 |
| RichEd | i'll chat to you a bit later ogra ... we may need to set up a short meeting tomorrow with rodarvus to go through some things. | 10:49 |
| ogra | you can specify anything you like in your dhcpd.conf | 10:49 |
| ogra | RichEd, fine with me :) | 10:49 |
| RichEd | ogra: when we see rodarvus popping his head in, we can discuss a time ... i'll need to send an agenda to you before hand | 10:50 |
| ogra | highvoltage, i can specify different chroots for i386 and powerpc ... but there is no easy way to distinguish between amd64 and i386 on dhcp level | 10:50 |
| RichEd | but on a personal note, hope all is well with your new accomodation, and that you are settled & comfortable (in all aspects) | 10:51 |
| ogra | well, i'm painting the new office alongside my workday :) but its all fine | 10:52 |
| ogra | did a lot of work on local device support over the weekend ... | 10:52 |
| RichEd | watch out for those paint fumes in confinmed spaces ... can make your computer screen go a bit fuzzy & woozy after prolonged exposure | 10:53 |
| RichEd | (unless you like that sort if thing ... then breathe deeply) | 10:54 |
| RichEd | of <- if | 10:54 |
| ogra | i'm a strong smoker, the tar will prevent the poison from entering my loungs ;) | 10:55 |
| highvoltage | ogra: aah, i should've known. took a sinus pill this morning now my head is screwed up | 11:00 |
| ogra | ouch | 11:01 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: getting of and if confused can be dangerous with some commands ;) | 11:01 |
| Chipzz | ogra: what you *could* do is look at the mac address (different mother boards -> probably different chipsets), but that would require a shitload of seperate work since dhcpd doesn't allow wildcards in the MAC's I think | 11:01 |
| ogra | yep | 11:01 |
| Chipzz | different chipsets -> different MAC chipset -> different prefix in MAC address | 11:02 |
| ogra | but many people do that for their lts.conf already, so that would only be a lot of copy paste work :) | 11:02 |
| Chipzz | oh and btw: ltsp-client sucks monkey balls | 11:03 |
| ogra | you can also hack stuff into dhcp like verdor strings etc if you use a rom-o-matic image... but that will not work with plain PXE ... | 11:03 |
| ogra | Chipzz, oh, why ? it does what it should ... | 11:04 |
| Chipzz | I ended up just dpkg -P 'ing it, and brewing my own shit | 11:04 |
| ogra | in fact its only a single initscript and a bunch of dependencys | 11:04 |
| Chipzz | ogra: startx doesn't do what you think it should do; startx is supposed to run xinit, but instead launches X -query | 11:04 |
| Chipzz | also, the arguments for the syntax is not what you'ld expect | 11:04 |
| ogra | its the documented ltsp syntax ... | 11:05 |
| Chipzz | second, I get no keyboard input in X using the startx method | 11:05 |
| ogra | would be news to me that it differs | 11:05 |
| Chipzz | ogra: startx on command-line -> .xinitrc ; startx in ltsp -> X -query | 11:05 |
| ogra | i didnt do the startx implementation though ... debian is the only one who userd it so far | 11:05 |
| Chipzz | that's just confusing and retarded | 11:06 |
| ogra | then lets fi it in edgy ;) you are the first ubuntu user playing with it afaik :) | 11:06 |
| ogra | s/fi/fix/ | 11:06 |
| Chipzz | startx -- -br on the commandline, "startx -br" in ltsp config | 11:06 |
| ogra | well, thats trivial to fix ... :) | 11:07 |
| ogra | only important thing is that we dont differ too much from the ltsp.org docs | 11:07 |
| Chipzz | but worse... keyboard plainly does not work at all when using the startx methyod | 11:07 |
| ogra | did you check xorg.conf ? | 11:07 |
| ogra | is the entry in there at all ? | 11:07 |
| Chipzz | I did, and running X from an init-script does give me keyboard input | 11:08 |
| ogra | thats weird ... shounds like an X bug | 11:08 |
| Chipzz | which is what I'm doing now | 11:08 |
| ogra | it should just pick up xorg.conf settings | 11:08 |
| Chipzz | ogra: I think it's related to the fact that we start X with start-stop-daemon or such | 11:08 |
| Chipzz | doesn't start-stop-daemon close the input and output descriptors of that process in order to daemonize it? | 11:09 |
| ogra | might be, i made a note on my TODO ... i'll look into it | 11:09 |
| Chipzz | the startx scripts, is that ours or ltsps? | 11:09 |
| ogra | for now i have some more elementary probs to solve to get ltsp working at all ;) | 11:09 |
| ogra | i think thats ported from ltsp | 11:10 |
| Chipzz | so changing the semantics to make it use startx and/or xinit would be a break from upstream and their docs? :/ | 11:10 |
| ogra | as i said, i didnt touch it ... i'll ask petter (pere from skolelinux) if he's around again | 11:10 |
| ogra | well, we plan to merge with upstream, so we should use their syntax where possible indeed | 11:11 |
| highvoltage | lol. it would help if I changed the root-path in the right dhcpd.conf :) | 11:21 |
| ogra | heh | 11:22 |
| lucasvo | ogra: ltsp chroot didn't build :( | 11:25 |
| ogra | how did it fail ? | 11:26 |
| lucasvo | 11:26 < lucasvo> Unpacking xserver-xorg (from .../xserver-xorg_1%3a7.0.22ubuntu7_all.deb) ... | 11:27 |
| ogra | (ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-kernels isnt run yet) | 11:27 |
| lucasvo | 11:26 < lucasvo> xserver-xorg config warning: failed to infer keyboard layout from layout/lang '10 debian-installer/keymap doesn't exist--10 debian-installer/language doesn't exist' | 11:27 |
| lucasvo | 11:26 < lucasvo> Server symlink checksum doesn't exist. We need to make it | 11:27 |
| ogra | thats fine | 11:27 |
| lucasvo | 11:27 < lucasvo> I'll try again | 11:27 |
| ogra | its only a warning, not an error | 11:27 |
| lucasvo | and why does it abort afterwards | 11:27 |
| lucasvo | oh, well in that case it doesn't give me a warining at all | 11:28 |
| lucasvo | it just aborted | 11:28 |
| lucasvo | I don't have the logs any more, I'll build again | 11:28 |
| ogra | yep, redirect it to a logfile | 11:28 |
| lucasvo | ogra: installing ltspfs on the server is enough? no configuration needed? | 11:36 |
| ogra | no, you need a bunch of scripts i'm currently writing :) | 11:38 |
| lucasvo | :P | 11:38 |
| ogra | ltsp-client needs a way to start ltspfsd, udev needs two rules scripts for mount/umount | 11:39 |
| ogra | and /tmp/drives needs to be created by the ltsp-client initscript | 11:39 |
| ogra | then you are able to manually mount it to the user session ... | 11:40 |
| ogra | the automatic part is done by a script thats currently in the works here | 11:40 |
| lucasvo | here you go: http://pastebin.ca/120365 | 11:40 |
| ogra | does `/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list' exist ? | 11:42 |
| ogra | looks like an apt problem | 11:43 |
| ogra | re you sure you have enough diskspace ? | 11:45 |
| ogra | and did you delete the old chroot before starting over ? | 11:46 |
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| lucasvo | /dev/hda1 24G 16G 7.6G 67% / | 11:48 |
| ogra | ok | 11:48 |
| lucasvo | cat sources.list: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted | 11:48 |
| ogra | can you run it again with the --debug flag ? | 11:48 |
| ogra | it will only show module info so far, but that can probably give us a hint | 11:49 |
| ogra | thats i386 ? | 11:49 |
| lucasvo | yes | 11:49 |
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| RichEd | hello rodarvus ... how's things ? | 12:10 |
| lucasvo | ogra: just failed once again | 12:24 |
| lucasvo | http://pastebin.ca/120425 | 12:24 |
| ogra | lucasvo, log ? | 12:24 |
| ogra | ah | 12:24 |
| ogra | if i could reach pastebin.ca that would help ... | 12:27 |
| rodarvus | hi RichEd! | 12:27 |
| RichEd | rodarvus: can we make a time for a 30 min meeting tomorrow ? ogra + rodarvus + RichEd | 12:27 |
| lucasvo | ogra: these pastebins are crap | 12:28 |
| rodarvus | all fine, wife & daughter just left to work/school - a new day (and week!) is coming :) | 12:28 |
| lucasvo | but pastebin.com is even worse | 12:28 |
| rodarvus | RichEd, sure, I'll be available all day long from 11:00 AM to 09:00 PM | 12:28 |
| rodarvus | I can wake up early if needed be, too | 12:28 |
| pygi | ogra, nobody can | 12:28 |
| pygi | lucasvo, paste on ubuntu pastebin | 12:29 |
| pygi | paste.ubuntu.nl or something :) | 12:29 |
| ogra | pygi, i can after 10 mins or so ... | 12:29 |
| RichEd | 11:00 AM to 09:00 PM <- UTC ? | 12:29 |
| ogra | in 30 mins ? | 12:29 |
| ogra | voip or IRC ? | 12:29 |
| rodarvus | RichEd, yes, UTC | 12:29 |
| rodarvus | (thats 08:00 AM to 06:00 PM localtime) | 12:30 |
| ogra | lucasvo, that looks really not like an ltsp problem ... either you cant access the packages from the archive or something weird with your apt is going on | 12:30 |
| rodarvus | I usually start the day before that (at 07:30 AM) but it depends if my wife is late for work or not :P | 12:30 |
| RichEd | great ... ogra ? pick a time between 11:00 and 15:00 UTC ? 30 mins ? | 12:31 |
| lucasvo | ogra: so what am I supposed to do to get the chroot working? | 12:34 |
| ogra | lucasvo, | 12:34 |
| ogra | Building dependency tree... | 12:34 |
| ogra | laptop-detect is already the newest version. | 12:34 |
| ogra | The following extra packages will be installed: | 12:34 |
| ogra | how does laptop-detect end up there ? did you delete the old chroot before running the script ` | 12:34 |
| ogra | ? | 12:34 |
| lucasvo | yes | 12:34 |
| ogra | lucasvo, i have no idea whats wrong there, do you use a proxy or something ? | 12:35 |
| ogra | it builds fine here on all three aches | 12:35 |
| ogra | *arches | 12:35 |
| lucasvo | no | 12:35 |
| pygi | ogra, how do you want me to call the Edubuntu presentation that I'll be holding at UUC? | 12:37 |
| pygi | and most importantly, anything special you want me to tell? :) | 12:37 |
| jsgotangco | "ALL YOUR SCHOOLS ARE BELONG TO US" | 12:37 |
| lucasvo | Edubuntu w00t! :) | 12:38 |
| ogra | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xinit_1.0.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack): | 12:38 |
| ogra | trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man5/Xsession.5.gz', which is also in package x11-common | 12:38 |
| ogra | lucasvo, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | 12:38 |
| pygi | I mean,com'on, help is welcome :) | 12:38 |
| ogra | lucasvo, poke rodarvus ;) | 12:38 |
| ogra | thats his bug :) | 12:38 |
| lucasvo | rodarvus: I am supposed to poke you :) | 12:38 |
| lucasvo | ogra: it has already been filed? | 12:39 |
| ogra | no idea, i dont monitor X bugs that closely | 12:39 |
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| ogra | i suspect its a temporary thing ... likely one of the packages hasnt built yes | 12:40 |
| ogra | *yet | 12:40 |
| lucasvo | ok | 12:40 |
| rodarvus | lucasvo, no, it hasn't been fixed | 12:40 |
| lucasvo | how comes that your machines build fine and mine dont'? | 12:40 |
| rodarvus | funny stuff is it didn't happened locally | 12:40 |
| ogra | lucasvo, i use the german mirror ... thats not up to date ;) | 12:40 |
| lucasvo | rodarvus: ok, when will it get into the archives? | 12:40 |
| rodarvus | lucasvo, someday | 12:40 |
| rodarvus | as I said, I haven't fixed this yet | 12:41 |
| rodarvus | likely later today | 12:41 |
| rodarvus | lucasvo, I seriously doubt this is the worse bug you'll find in edgy | 12:41 |
| lucasvo | rodarvus: oh, I misread it, I thought you said it has been already fixed | 12:41 |
| rodarvus | (really :) ) | 12:41 |
| lucasvo | ogra: well the ch mirror is uptodate | 12:41 |
| lucasvo | germany is lame :P | 12:41 |
| ogra | lucky me then ;) | 12:41 |
| rodarvus | xinit was published early afternoon, last Friday | 12:42 |
| ogra | and x11-common ? | 12:42 |
| rodarvus | so I seriously doubt any mirror is not updated WRT this package | 12:42 |
| ogra | i built chroots the whole wekend just fine | 12:42 |
| rodarvus | x11-common is even older | 12:42 |
| ogra | *weekend | 12:42 |
| lucasvo | lol | 12:42 |
| rodarvus | ogra, yeah, thats why this bug is really strange for me | 12:42 |
| rodarvus | I don't have this file on package 'xinit' locally | 12:42 |
| lucasvo | ogra: for the germans we will release edgy a week later :P | 12:43 |
| ogra | and i dont have that problem here ... | 12:43 |
| lucasvo | what's the difference of locally and not? | 12:43 |
| lucasvo | btw, why do we install man packages in the chroot at all? | 12:43 |
| ogra | because the manpage isnt in a separate package | 12:44 |
| lucasvo | but man is | 12:44 |
| ogra | debian policy requires a manpage for every executable in /usr/bin or /bin | 12:44 |
| ogra | so if you ship a binary it needs to have a manpage in the package | 12:44 |
| RichEd | ogra: pleae confirm if you can make a meeting in #canonical at 12:30 UTC tomorrow ? | 12:52 |
| ogra | sure, confirmed :) | 12:57 |
| Yagisan | nforce2 audio should work with (ed)ubuntu right ? | 12:57 |
| ogra | crimsun would know ... | 12:57 |
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| Yagisan | thanks ogra | 12:59 |
| Yagisan | one of my converts is upset their sound doesn't work. As they are in Denmark, it's abit hard for me to visit and check it out myself | 12:59 |
| ogra | pfft, excuses | 01:00 |
| Yagisan | but, the whole reason they converted was to play a game - and they can't hear the hellish screams now | 01:01 |
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| RichEd | bimberi: just looking for a kicker this week ... not a whole team :) | 01:57 |
| bimberi | RichEd: hehe, we were lucky Mortlock had his kicking boots on - for once! | 02:00 |
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| lucasvo | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1649619336892509014 | 02:41 |
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| cbx33 | afternoon people | 03:11 |
| Petaris | Hi cbx33 | 03:12 |
| cbx33 | Hey Petaris | 03:12 |
| === cbx33 has finally got net connection on his phone | ||
| cbx33 | ahhh totally mobile computing | 03:13 |
| cbx33 | this is the life | 03:13 |
| cbx33 | sitting waiting whilst my wife has a manacure for free :p | 03:14 |
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| highvoltage | that looks cool | 03:25 |
| Petaris | Hi highvoltage | 03:25 |
| highvoltage | hi Petaris | 03:25 |
| juliux | hi highvoltage jsgotangco | 03:27 |
| highvoltage | hi juliux | 03:27 |
| jsgotangco | hello juliux! | 03:27 |
| juliux | has anybody an idea what a user makes wrong if he has to use xdmcp ?? | 03:27 |
| juliux | with edubuntu | 03:27 |
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| cbx33 | hey bddebian | 03:59 |
| cbx33 | ping RichEd | 04:00 |
| bddebian | Howdy | 04:01 |
| bddebian | Hi cbx33 | 04:01 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 04:01 |
| cbx33 | howz it going, everything going accroding to plan | 04:01 |
| bddebian | Never :-) | 04:01 |
| bddebian | You? | 04:01 |
| cbx33 | bddebian: you got a sec in pm? | 04:01 |
| cbx33 | Yeh everything is great | 04:01 |
| bddebian | Sure | 04:01 |
| cbx33 | ping Yagisan | 04:05 |
| RichEd | cbx33: pong | 04:08 |
| cbx33 | RichEd: so, in terms of the edubuntu pack | 04:08 |
| cbx33 | is there anything else I can do to help out? | 04:09 |
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| cbx33 | I think I must have enormous lag here | 04:11 |
| cbx33 | or maybe not | 04:12 |
| cbx33 | hmmmm | 04:12 |
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| RichEd | cbx33: will send you a mail ! | 04:12 |
| cbx33 | RichEd: excellent | 04:12 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 04:13 |
| cbx33 | irssi has a problem | 04:13 |
| cbx33 | whoever said, "is half busy" I can't see your name? | 04:13 |
| cbx33 | it's white | 04:13 |
| cbx33 | any ideas? | 04:14 |
| RichEd | RichEd is half busy (on the phone) | 04:14 |
| cbx33 | crikey just joining #ubuntu lost me 100K | 04:14 |
| cbx33 | ahhh | 04:14 |
| cbx33 | anyone know how I can sort out irssi | 04:14 |
| cbx33 | right I'm off | 04:16 |
| cbx33 | almost used up my free 500K | 04:16 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 04:16 |
| Yagisan | pong cbx33 | 04:37 |
| Petaris | ajmitch: Did you get your authtool uploaded yet? | 04:37 |
| Petaris | I'm not finding it through the package search | 04:38 |
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| lucasvo | brilliant: http://www.improveverywhere.com/mission_view.php?mission_id=54 | 04:58 |
| ogra | yay, RichEd just made my evolution explode :) | 04:59 |
| ogra | seems the development version doesnt like appointment attachments :) | 05:00 |
| RichEd | file a bug report : block user richard from calendaring interchange | 05:00 |
| RichEd | ogra & rodarvus : ignore first date ... wed = actually tue | 05:00 |
| ogra | i doubt anyone in the company ever used or tested that feature :) so thats great, go on using it as you would expect, thats invaluable test data ;) | 05:01 |
| RichEd | the desktop toolbar calendar is Sun - Sat view | 05:01 |
| RichEd | evolution is Mon - Sun view | 05:01 |
| RichEd | requires a mind shift whenever you check out a date, and then go to make an appointment | 05:02 |
| RichEd | can't seem to see how i can change either one to look like the other | 05:02 |
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| ogra | i think its somehow based on your language/locale selection | 05:03 |
| ogra | seb128 would know ... | 05:03 |
| RichEd | he's inactive now in #canonical ... will drop him a mail ... is he Mr Evolution ? | 05:04 |
| RichEd | or Mr Desktop Clock ? :) | 05:04 |
| ogra | intrestingly the appointment was added to my calendar ... evo just died afterwards :) | 05:04 |
| ogra | he's Mr. Desktop | 05:04 |
| ogra | he's active in #ubuntu-devel | 05:05 |
| RichEd | tx. | 05:05 |
| ogra | and in -bugs | 05:05 |
| rodarvus | ogra, strange, I was able to accept RichEd's invitation just fine | 05:05 |
| rodarvus | maybe something architecture dependant? | 05:06 |
| ogra | rodarvus, my evo might be outdated | 05:06 |
| ogra | i havnet upgraded since thursday | 05:06 |
| rodarvus | oh | 05:06 |
| juliux | hi ogra | 05:06 |
| ogra | hey juliux | 05:06 |
| juliux | ogra, any idea about why the users have to enable xdmcp ?? | 05:07 |
| juliux | -about | 05:07 |
| rodarvus | ogra: I hope "X" is not on the regexp of the excuses for not upgrading since Thursday :) | 05:07 |
| ogra | rodarvus, if i'm developing a feature i keep the last 100% working system snapshot ;) | 05:07 |
| rodarvus | nice | 05:07 |
| RichEd | ogra: selb128 is "last msg: unknown" in #ubuntu-devel as well ... will mail him. tx. | 05:07 |
| ogra | juliux, i answered your mail | 05:08 |
| juliux | ogra, oh | 05:08 |
| ogra | they break their systems by what reason ever ... | 05:08 |
| juliux | they said they only installed edubuntu | 05:08 |
| ogra | xdmcp isnt used nor supported in *buntu | 05:08 |
| ogra | i dont belive that | 05:08 |
| juliux | ogra, ok, i was ver confused about this | 05:09 |
| ogra | ldm wont gain anything if xdmcp is enabled ... it wont use it | 05:09 |
| ogra | if they changed their IP post install, they should run ltsp-update-sshkeys ... thats the most common FAQ we have | 05:09 |
| ogra | the symptom of it is that they cant log in through ldm ... running the command solves it | 05:10 |
| juliux | that i told them | 05:10 |
| ogra | do you have an url ? | 05:10 |
| juliux | ogra, only a few forums posts | 05:11 |
| juliux | but not realy information | 05:11 |
| juliux | i am on my way to find out what they have done | 05:11 |
| juliux | they have the right ltps verison | 05:12 |
| ogra | xdmcp would only work if you used gdm on the client, which we dont even install there | 05:12 |
| RichEd | ahhh rodarvus : a minor buglet ... or usage issue ... rod@ubuntu accepted an appointment maile to rod.no@canonical ... so it says you are an unonown person accepted your appointment | 05:13 |
| rodarvus | ahn | 05:13 |
| rodarvus | bummer | 05:13 |
| RichEd | tried adding both email addresses to you in the contacts ... but it 'aint smart enough to work that one out | 05:13 |
| RichEd | not significant ... just f.y.i. | 05:13 |
| rodarvus | evolution is supposed to do this correctly - I wonder why it doesn't | 05:14 |
| ogra | i suspect they have written a weird lts.conf or installed ltsp 4.2 or whatever | 05:14 |
| RichEd | a quick multi-boot question if someone has a moment: i've got 3 *buntu boots, so my grub menu.lst is not where 2 of the installs expect | 05:15 |
| RichEd | when i do an upgrade, and it changes menu.lst must i manually carry the change over ? | 05:16 |
| pygi | RichEd, all should stay | 05:16 |
| pygi | so no manual changes needed | 05:17 |
| RichEd | thanks pygi, but not sure what you mean ... i'll expand: | 05:17 |
| RichEd | my Edubuntu boot is on hda3 | 05:17 |
| RichEd | but my last install was Kubuntu on hda7 | 05:18 |
| RichEd | so all boots use the grub file /hda7/boot/grub/menu.lst | 05:18 |
| RichEd | but my update says: testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found ... updating ... | 05:19 |
| RichEd | so my question is ... is it smart enough to know which menyu.lst was used for booting, or does it just look for the expected file in the expected volume & folder ??? | 05:20 |
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| jsgotangco | goodnight | 06:02 |
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| Yagisan | cbx33, pong (again) | 06:29 |
| cbx33 | hi Yagisan | 06:35 |
| cbx33 | just saying hey | 06:35 |
| cbx33 | howz ya day | 06:35 |
| cbx33 | that kinda thing | 06:35 |
| cbx33 | brb | 06:36 |
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| Yagisan | np cbx33 | 06:45 |
| Yagisan | I'm fine. getting the CIA bot set up for my project for irc notification of commits | 06:45 |
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| cbx33 | nice | 07:04 |
| Yagisan | cbx33, it's good for people like me that see irc before their email arrives | 07:07 |
| Yagisan | cbx33, so, how did your python packaging go for gisomount ? | 07:07 |
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| juliux | ogra, any idea? http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/42145/ | 07:18 |
| cbx33 | still waiting for it i enter the universe :p | 07:20 |
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| ogra | juliux, no | 07:21 |
| juliux | yes yes yes i am not the only perso who has no idea ;) | 07:22 |
| pygi | ogra, you have a sec? :) | 07:31 |
| pygi | I really need title for my edubuntu presentation ^_^ | 07:31 |
| Yagisan | cbx33, want more python software to package ? | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | Yagisan: no, you can't have him, he's my python slave ;-) | 07:53 |
| Yagisan | LaserJock, but, but - I need a python slave | 07:53 |
| Yagisan | LaserJock, hmm, perhaps you'll do instead >:) | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 07:54 |
| Yagisan | LaserJock, it's just a small app, but I know SFA about python, so I'm not keen on packaging it myself | 07:59 |
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| LaserJock | Yagisan: oh, you need packaging? | 08:00 |
| Yagisan | LaserJock, it would be nice. I made an attempt a while ago and screwed up | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | Yagisan: ah, I thought you needed an app written | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | packaging is a bit easier | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | but the new python policy is a bit confusing at times | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | Yagisan: got a URL for the source tarball? | 08:01 |
| Yagisan | nope. app is written, I just need it packages, but the packager needs to know python to help me make it policy complent, as it needs to work with my packages | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, indeed it is | 08:02 |
| Yagisan | LaserJock, sure. http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/deng/snowberry.tar.gz?download | 08:03 |
| Yagisan | LaserJock, perhaps we should go either to #doomsday (upstream) or pm to discuss this, rather then in #edubuntu ? | 08:04 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, gisomount still isn;t it :p | 08:04 |
| Yagisan | cbx33, don't worry, my deng package isn't in yet, and I first tried with hoary | 08:05 |
| cbx33 | Yagisan, *gah* | 08:05 |
| Yagisan | cbx33, I doubt you have the same issues as me | 08:06 |
| cbx33 | what was your issue? | 08:06 |
| cbx33 | Yagisan, did you get my pm? | 08:06 |
| Yagisan | cbx33, licenses | 08:06 |
| cbx33 | aaahhh | 08:07 |
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| LaserJock | Yagisan: I don't have much time to do it right now, but I think between you, cbx33, and myself it wouldn't take too long | 08:29 |
| Amaranth | arg the lag | 08:29 |
| cbx33 | Yagisan, I'm sure I can help out | 08:30 |
| Yagisan | LaserJock, ok. It's not urgent, but it would be much appreciated | 08:30 |
| Yagisan | thanks too cbx33 | 08:32 |
| cbx33 | np | 08:32 |
| Yagisan | cbx33, have much free time at the moment ? | 08:33 |
| cbx33 | Yagisan, ship over what you have I'll take a look when I get a sec | 08:34 |
| cbx33 | (when I take my headphones off....still working o nsounds) | 08:34 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: RE: intel8x0 (nf2) yes, audio is supported. What's the issue? | 08:34 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, ah. A user I converted is claiming no sound. | 08:35 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, what should I go through with them to check what's wrong ? | 08:35 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: at all or in specific apps? | 08:35 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, as far as I'm aware, it is all apps | 08:37 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: in the former case (which reads like a mixer misconfiguration), check the following mixer elements: 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA' (which will need to be set to either 0 or 3 most commonly, more rarely 1), 'Master'/'PCM' (should be unmuted and set to non-zero levels), and 'External Amplifier' (which either needs to be muted or unmuted depending on the codec revision) | 08:38 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, any ideas ? (dapper box) | 08:38 |
| Yagisan | ok | 08:39 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: in the latter case, some dsps, despite their drivers' capabilities, provide no means for mmapping, so some apps (e.g., quake3) will refuse to run | 08:40 |
| Yagisan | thanks crimsun. I'll relay this on to the end user. (whish I could see the box myself, but it's in another country) | 08:41 |
| crimsun | right, barring online troubleshooting, these are the most specific elements I can name for intel8x0. | 08:42 |
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| EmxBA | hi folks | 08:44 |
| EmxBA | you missed me a lot :( | 08:44 |
| crimsun | welcome back | 08:44 |
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| EmxBA | hehe | 08:47 |
| EmxBA | thanks | 08:47 |
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| Yagisan | wb cbx33 | 08:47 |
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| EmxBA | juliux:hi! | 08:52 |
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| Yagisan | crimsun, with 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA' at 0,1 and 3, both with & without external mixer set | 08:56 |
| Yagisan | there was no sound | 08:56 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: ok, then I'll need a pastebin of ``amixer'' | 08:56 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, http://rafb.net/paste/results/331LKG72.html | 09:01 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: is (s)he using analog speakers or output to a digital receiver? | 09:03 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, he's using headphones. he tested the headphones on another box as he first suspected them | 09:04 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: then (s)he needs to at least execute: amixer set 'IEC958' off && amixer set 'Duplicate Front' on && amixer set '3D Control - Switch' off | 09:04 |
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| Yagisan | crimsun, they reported back "no luck with sound" | 09:06 |
| crimsun | ok, please reset 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA' to 0 | 09:07 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, thank you for helping | 09:07 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, they claim no sound | 09:08 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: has sound never been audible for him? | 09:10 |
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| Yagisan | crimsun, yes, but not in ubuntu (he installed dapper 2-3 days ago) and discovered his new audigy didn't work, and that the nforce2 also does not work | 09:12 |
| crimsun | err, is his audigy still installed? | 09:12 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, yes, but no modules loaded | 09:13 |
| juliux | hi EmxBA | 09:13 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, no alsa driver for it apparently | 09:13 |
| EmxBA | hi | 09:13 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: hmm, how new is it? | 09:14 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: if it's still installed in the machine, ``lspci -v && lspci -nv'' would be useful | 09:14 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, sorry - its a Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi not audigy | 09:15 |
| crimsun | ah, ok. Yeah, James only recently began committing support for that codec into hg. | 09:16 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, still want thoses ids ? | 09:16 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: nah, no need. Let's start with a pristine alsa state. | 09:17 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: he'll need to close whatever apps are using the sound device (probably by logging out and switching to a console, then logging in there), then unload snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec, then rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state, then reload snd_intel8x0, then re-execute invoke-rc.d alsa-utils start | 09:18 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, any further ideas ? | 09:18 |
| crimsun | (sorry, I can only type so fast...) | 09:19 |
| Yagisan | sorry crimsun | 09:19 |
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| Yagisan | hmm. that will be beyond his skill at the moment | 09:20 |
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| Yagisan | crimsun, start in single user mode. rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.stat then run shutdown -r now ? | 09:22 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: well, that would work, too | 09:23 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, good. as I said, very new user | 09:23 |
| crimsun | (away for a bit, phone conference) | 09:29 |
| Yagisan | np, thanks for your help crimsun | 09:30 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, no joy | 09:46 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, I'm off to bed now. If you have any other ideas please message me | 09:46 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: I would have been amazed if it had worked after that | 09:46 |
| crimsun | (the goal being to restore to a known-sane state) | 09:47 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, anything else I should get him to try right now ? | 09:47 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: just have him toggle 'External Amplifier' for now | 09:48 |
| crimsun | if sound still isn't audible, I'll need the register dump from /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0+regs | 09:48 |
| crimsun | (probably won't get around to inspecting the latter til tomorrow, though) | 09:49 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, cat works to get that register dump ? | 09:51 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: yes | 09:52 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, I'll email it to you after I wake up (I expect it to be in my inbox by then) | 09:53 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: ok, please tag the subject with [UBUNTU ALSA] | 09:54 |
| crimsun | otherwise I'll likely miss it due to spam filters | 09:54 |
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| mhz | hi yo'all | 11:10 |
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