[12:33] <Burgundavia> pygi: pong
[12:33] <pygi> Burgundavia, you have a sec?
[12:33] <pygi> or shall we talk later today?
[12:35] <Burgundavia> now works
[12:36] <pygi> oki, so students have less then to weeks to finish their applications...
[12:36] <pygi> do we hear from everyone? do we have status report and usable code from everyone?
[12:37] <Burgundavia> I have not heard from anselmo or your student
[12:37] <Burgundavia> amaranth and evan have stuff in the repo
[12:37] <Burgundavia> ajmitch is apparently doing well
[12:37] <pygi> anselmo, neither have I
[12:38] <pygi> I hear from all my students
[12:38] <Burgundavia> apparently dholbach has seen code
[12:38] <pygi> kinda, one isnt responsive
[12:38] <pygi> hm, right , other students?
[12:38] <pygi> jbailey's student?
[12:38] <Burgundavia> no idea, I have heard nothing
[12:39] <pygi> will try to catch jbailey tommorow
[12:39] <pygi> oki, next?
[12:39] <pygi> Riddell's students?
[12:40] <Burgundavia> not heard anything
[12:40] <Burgundavia> henrik's sok is apparently proceding
[12:40] <pygi> uh, mvo I'll poke him tommorow
[12:41] <Burgundavia> oh, the edubuntu study thing is going
[12:41] <pygi> so for now, needs poking: riddell, jbailey, mvo
[12:41] <pygi> yup, I know that, Ryan is doing great work
[12:41] <pygi> Henrik needs poking for his two students
[12:41] <pygi> vuntz also
[12:41] <pygi> ssflaw
[12:42] <pygi> and rob holand
[12:42] <pygi> oki, so I'll poke jbailey, mvo and riddell tommorow
[12:42] <pygi> could you handle the rest?
[12:42] <Burgundavia> could you do it? I am going to be insanely busy the next few days
[12:44] <pygi> hm, so will I, but I can try,ok
[12:44] <ajmitch> hi
[12:44] <Signifer> hey
[12:44] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I may be doing ok, but I got called up for jury service this week
[12:44] <ajmitch> which sucks somewhat
[12:44] <pygi> Burgundavia, will do then ^_^
[12:45] <pygi> night all :)
[12:45] <Burgundavia> night
[02:48] <bimberi> j #kubuntu
[02:48] <bimberi> argh :)
[08:59] <cbx33> hey Yagisan_ 
[08:59] <cbx33> hi RichEd 
[09:00] <Yagisan> G'day cbx33 
[09:02] <cbx33> hi Yagisan howz it going
[09:02] <Yagisan> busy. Had some nice work yesterday
[09:02] <Yagisan> :)
[09:03] <cbx33> yeh?
[09:04] <Yagisan> cbx33, yes. Had to fix a compromised Windows box
[09:04] <cbx33> ooooh cool
[09:04] <cbx33> I've done that before
[09:04] <cbx33> someone had installed an smtp server on there
[09:04] <Yagisan> client was very happy. I drop off an Ubuntu CD for him to try when I'm next there
[09:04] <cbx33> was sending tonnes of spam
[09:04] <cbx33> Yagisan, ahahahah
[09:06] <cbx33> RichEd, any outcome yet?
[09:06] <RichEd> hello
[09:06] <RichEd> hi cbx33 ... 
[09:07] <RichEd> yes, decision, but unfortunately not in support :(
[09:07] <cbx33> ok cool
[09:07] <cbx33> Right I want to make an apology for not getting the meeting minutes done of late
[09:07] <cbx33> I think I have missed two weeks
[09:07] <RichEd> the policy at this stage is that Canonical will support groups who have a stand, and want to promote Edubuntu
[09:08] <cbx33> I can see not why it was always so difficult for JaneW to keep up
[09:08] <cbx33> s/not/now
[09:08] <RichEd> but it is not commercially possible to pay for stands ... with one exception
[09:08] <cbx33> RichEd, yeh, that's fine
[09:09] <cbx33> I knew that would be the answer anyway so I'm not supprised
[09:09] <RichEd> if there is an IT in education conference, where various Linux flavours are competing for prominence, Edubuntu should consider representation
[09:09] <RichEd> re minutes, not significant if you can catch up
[09:10] <Laser_away> roughly how much does a stand cost? I have no idea
[09:10] <cbx33> Laser_away, a lot
[09:11] <cbx33> $900 per square metre
[09:11] <RichEd> On the conference note, following my discussions with Mark, I'll share later this week where we stand, and what the targets are for the next 12 months.
[09:11] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[09:11] <cbx33> ok RichEd 
[09:12] <cbx33> what about the other stuff like edubuntu packs
[09:12] <Laser_away> cbx33: wow!!
[09:12] <cbx33> Laser_away, yup
[09:12] <RichEd> In brief, at this stage, we are a "cost expense to canonical" and need to move towards self-sufficiency (cost vs income).
[09:12] <cbx33> right
[09:12] <cbx33> so basically a no go on pretty much everything
[09:12] <RichEd> There are some set steps to acheiving this, and the order of execution & promotion is important.
[09:13] <RichEd> No, that was in refefernce to my above thread !
[09:13] <RichEd> Packs & support, yes. T-Shirts, disks, stickers. Case studies on the way.
[09:13] <cbx33> ah right cool
[09:13] <jsgotangco> yay
[09:13] <jsgotangco> community booths would be hot with those
[09:14] <RichEd> So we can assist other people already with a promotion vehicle. 
[09:14] <cbx33> http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/06/another-powerbook-violently-explodes/
[09:14] <Laser_away> RichEd: does Canonical sell commercial support for Edubuntu?
[09:14] <RichEd> Any event, conference or promotion or school-open-day ... can all request support.
[09:15] <jsgotangco> Laser_away: sure
[09:15] <RichEd> Laser_away: not yet ... there has been no call (for desktop)
[09:15] <jsgotangco> its still Ubuntu
[09:15] <RichEd> But is is an area that can be explored ... where it makes sense.
[09:16] <Laser_away> RichEd: you need to get Edubuntu into universities with lots of grant money ;-)
[09:16] <jsgotangco> edubuntu classroom server support seems to have potential
[09:16] <RichEd> e.g. If an Education department standardises on Edubuntu desktop ... they may want support
[09:17] <RichEd> e.g. If an Education department standardises on Edubuntu servers  ... they may want support
[09:17] <RichEd> but 1 server in one classroom is probably not a proposition from either side
[09:17] <RichEd> hi jsgotangco 
[09:17] <jsgotangco> RichEd: hey!
[09:19] <jsgotangco> sure sure
[09:20] <jsgotangco> i made a 30 page slide on Edubuntu
[09:20] <jsgotangco> its very very basic
[09:35] <highvoltage> good mornign everyone
[09:42] <RichEd> 'lo hi'
[09:59] <highvoltage> :)
[09:59] <highvoltage> locate ogra
[10:03] <pygi> *database non-existant*
[10:27] <RichEd> hi ... anyone seen ogra or rodarvus around lately ?
[10:35] <highvoltage> RichEd: saw today's wikipedia featured article?
[10:35] <RichEd> not yet ... wossit about ?
[10:44] <RichEd> highvoltage: you talkin' about chippy & shabby & zoomie ?
[10:44] <highvoltage> RichEd: hehe, yes
[10:45] <RichEd> a sorry state of affairs ... or to be accurate a sorry affair of the state ")
[10:47] <RichEd> i see ubuntu was a featured article recently ... pity we caught a saturday when people weren't browsing at work
[10:47] <RichEd> hi ogra :)
[10:47] <highvoltage> hey ogra 
[10:48] <ogra> hey
[10:48] <highvoltage> ogra: can I specify another NFS root than /opt/ltsp/i386 in the tftpboot kernel line? do you know if I can use root=/opt/ltsp/other?
[10:49] <RichEd> i'll chat to you a bit later ogra ... we may need to set up a short meeting tomorrow with rodarvus to go through some things.
[10:49] <ogra> you can specify anything you like in your dhcpd.conf
[10:49] <ogra> RichEd, fine with me :)
[10:50] <RichEd> ogra:  when we see rodarvus popping his head in, we can discuss a time ... i'll need to send an agenda to you before hand
[10:50] <ogra> highvoltage, i can specify different chroots for i386 and powerpc ... but there is no easy way to distinguish between amd64 and i386 on dhcp level
[10:51] <RichEd> but on a personal note, hope all is well with your new accomodation, and that you are settled & comfortable (in all aspects)
[10:52] <ogra> well, i'm painting the new office alongside my workday :) but its all fine
[10:52] <ogra> did a lot of work on local device support over the weekend ...
[10:53] <RichEd> watch out for those paint fumes in confinmed spaces ... can make your computer screen go a bit fuzzy & woozy after prolonged exposure
[10:54] <RichEd> (unless you like that sort if thing ... then breathe deeply)
[10:54] <RichEd> of <- if
[10:55] <ogra> i'm a strong smoker, the tar will prevent the poison from entering my loungs ;)
[11:00] <highvoltage> ogra: aah, i should've known. took a sinus pill this morning now my head is screwed up
[11:01] <ogra> ouch
[11:01] <highvoltage> RichEd: getting of and if confused can be dangerous with some commands ;)
[11:01] <Chipzz> ogra: what you *could* do is look at the mac address (different mother boards -> probably different chipsets), but that would require a shitload of seperate work since dhcpd doesn't allow wildcards in the MAC's I think
[11:01] <ogra> yep
[11:02] <Chipzz> different chipsets -> different MAC chipset -> different prefix in MAC address
[11:02] <ogra> but many people do that for their lts.conf already, so that would only be a lot of copy paste work :)
[11:03] <Chipzz> oh and btw: ltsp-client sucks monkey balls
[11:03] <ogra> you can also hack stuff into dhcp like verdor strings etc if you use a rom-o-matic image... but that will not work with plain PXE ...
[11:04] <ogra> Chipzz, oh, why ? it does what it should ...
[11:04] <Chipzz> I ended up just dpkg -P 'ing it, and brewing my own shit
[11:04] <ogra> in fact its only a single initscript and a bunch of dependencys
[11:04] <Chipzz> ogra: startx doesn't do what you think it should do; startx is supposed to run xinit, but instead launches X -query
[11:04] <Chipzz> also, the arguments for the syntax is not what you'ld expect
[11:05] <ogra> its the documented ltsp syntax ...
[11:05] <Chipzz> second, I get no keyboard input in X using the startx method
[11:05] <ogra> would be news to me that it differs
[11:05] <Chipzz> ogra: startx on command-line -> .xinitrc ; startx in ltsp -> X -query
[11:05] <ogra> i didnt do the startx implementation though ... debian is the only one who userd it so far
[11:06] <Chipzz> that's just confusing and retarded
[11:06] <ogra> then lets fi it in edgy ;) you are the first ubuntu user playing with it afaik :)
[11:06] <ogra> s/fi/fix/
[11:06] <Chipzz> startx -- -br on the commandline, "startx -br" in ltsp config
[11:07] <ogra> well, thats trivial to fix ... :)
[11:07] <ogra> only important thing is that we dont differ too much from the ltsp.org docs
[11:07] <Chipzz> but worse... keyboard plainly does not work at all when using the startx methyod
[11:07] <ogra> did you check xorg.conf ? 
[11:07] <ogra> is the entry in there at all ? 
[11:08] <Chipzz> I did, and running X from an init-script does give me keyboard input
[11:08] <ogra> thats weird ... shounds like an X bug
[11:08] <Chipzz> which is what I'm doing now
[11:08] <ogra> it should just pick up xorg.conf settings
[11:08] <Chipzz> ogra: I think it's related to the fact that we start X with start-stop-daemon or such
[11:09] <Chipzz> doesn't start-stop-daemon close the input and output descriptors of that process in order to daemonize it?
[11:09] <ogra> might be, i made a note on my TODO ... i'll look into it
[11:09] <Chipzz> the startx scripts, is that ours or ltsps?
[11:09] <ogra> for now i have some more elementary probs to solve to get ltsp working at all ;)
[11:10] <ogra> i think thats ported from ltsp
[11:10] <Chipzz> so changing the semantics to make it use startx and/or xinit would be a break from upstream and their docs? :/
[11:10] <ogra> as i said, i didnt touch it ... i'll ask petter (pere from skolelinux) if he's around again 
[11:11] <ogra> well, we plan to merge with upstream, so we should use their syntax where possible indeed
[11:21] <highvoltage> lol. it would help if I changed the root-path in the right dhcpd.conf :)
[11:22] <ogra> heh
[11:25] <lucasvo> ogra: ltsp chroot didn't build :(
[11:26] <ogra> how did it fail ?
[11:27] <lucasvo> 11:26 < lucasvo> Unpacking xserver-xorg (from .../xserver-xorg_1%3a7.0.22ubuntu7_all.deb) ...
[11:27] <ogra> (ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-kernels isnt run yet)
[11:27] <lucasvo> 11:26 < lucasvo> xserver-xorg config warning: failed to infer keyboard layout from layout/lang '10 debian-installer/keymap doesn't exist--10  debian-installer/language doesn't exist'
[11:27] <lucasvo> 11:26 < lucasvo> Server symlink checksum doesn't exist. We need to make it
[11:27] <ogra> thats fine
[11:27] <lucasvo> 11:27 < lucasvo> I'll try again
[11:27] <ogra> its only a warning, not an error
[11:27] <lucasvo> and why does it abort afterwards
[11:28] <lucasvo> oh, well in that case it doesn't give me a warining at all
[11:28] <lucasvo> it just aborted
[11:28] <lucasvo> I don't have the logs any more, I'll build again
[11:28] <ogra> yep, redirect it to a logfile
[11:36] <lucasvo> ogra: installing ltspfs on the server is enough? no configuration needed?
[11:38] <ogra> no, you need a bunch of scripts i'm currently writing :)
[11:38] <lucasvo> :P
[11:39] <ogra> ltsp-client needs a way to start ltspfsd, udev needs two rules scripts for mount/umount
[11:39] <ogra> and /tmp/drives needs to be created by the ltsp-client initscript
[11:40] <ogra> then you are able to manually mount it to the user session ...
[11:40] <ogra> the automatic part is done by a script thats currently in the works here
[11:40] <lucasvo> here you go: http://pastebin.ca/120365
[11:42] <ogra> does `/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list' exist ?
[11:43] <ogra> looks like an apt problem
[11:45] <ogra> re you sure you have enough diskspace ? 
[11:46] <ogra> and did you delete the old chroot before starting over ?
[11:48] <lucasvo> /dev/hda1              24G   16G  7.6G  67% /
[11:48] <ogra> ok
[11:48] <lucasvo> cat sources.list: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted
[11:48] <ogra> can you run it again with the --debug flag ?
[11:49] <ogra> it will only show module info so far, but that can probably give us a hint
[11:49] <ogra> thats i386 ?
[11:49] <lucasvo> yes
[12:10] <RichEd> hello rodarvus ... how's things ?
[12:24] <lucasvo> ogra: just failed once again
[12:24] <lucasvo> http://pastebin.ca/120425
[12:24] <ogra> lucasvo, log ?
[12:24] <ogra> ah
[12:27] <ogra> if i could reach pastebin.ca that would help ...
[12:27] <rodarvus> hi RichEd!
[12:27] <RichEd> rodarvus:  can we make a time for a 30 min meeting tomorrow ? ogra + rodarvus + RichEd
[12:28] <lucasvo> ogra: these pastebins are crap
[12:28] <rodarvus> all fine, wife & daughter just left to work/school - a new day (and week!) is coming :)
[12:28] <lucasvo> but pastebin.com is even worse
[12:28] <rodarvus> RichEd, sure, I'll be available all day long from 11:00 AM to 09:00 PM
[12:28] <rodarvus> I can wake up early if needed be, too
[12:28] <pygi> ogra, nobody can
[12:29] <pygi> lucasvo, paste on ubuntu pastebin
[12:29] <pygi> paste.ubuntu.nl or something :)
[12:29] <ogra> pygi, i can after 10 mins or so ...
[12:29] <RichEd> 11:00 AM to 09:00 PM <- UTC ?
[12:29] <ogra> in 30 mins ? 
[12:29] <ogra> voip or IRC ?
[12:29] <rodarvus> RichEd, yes, UTC
[12:30] <rodarvus> (thats 08:00 AM to 06:00 PM localtime)
[12:30] <ogra> lucasvo, that looks really not like an ltsp problem ... either you cant access the packages from the archive or something weird with your apt is going on
[12:30] <rodarvus> I usually start the day before that (at 07:30 AM) but it depends if my wife is late for work or not :P
[12:31] <RichEd> great ... ogra ? pick a time between 11:00 and 15:00 UTC ? 30 mins ?
[12:34] <lucasvo> ogra: so what am I supposed to do to get the chroot working?
[12:34] <ogra> lucasvo, 
[12:34] <ogra> Building dependency tree...
[12:34] <ogra> laptop-detect is already the newest version.
[12:34] <ogra> The following extra packages will be installed:
[12:34] <ogra> how does laptop-detect end up there ? did you delete the old chroot before running the script `
[12:34] <ogra> ?
[12:34] <lucasvo> yes
[12:35] <ogra> lucasvo, i have no idea whats wrong there, do you use a proxy or something ? 
[12:35] <ogra> it builds fine here on all three aches
[12:35] <ogra> *arches
[12:35] <lucasvo> no
[12:37] <pygi> ogra, how do you want me to call the Edubuntu presentation that I'll be holding at UUC?
[12:37] <pygi> and most importantly, anything special you want me to tell? :)
[12:37] <jsgotangco> "ALL YOUR SCHOOLS ARE BELONG TO US"
[12:38] <lucasvo> Edubuntu w00t! :)
[12:38] <ogra> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xinit_1.0.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[12:38] <ogra>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man5/Xsession.5.gz', which is also in package x11-common
[12:38] <ogra> lucasvo, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[12:38] <pygi> I mean,com'on, help is welcome :)
[12:38] <ogra> lucasvo, poke rodarvus ;) 
[12:38] <ogra> thats his bug :)
[12:38] <lucasvo> rodarvus: I am supposed to poke you :)
[12:39] <lucasvo> ogra: it has already been filed?
[12:39] <ogra> no idea, i dont monitor X bugs that closely
[12:40] <ogra> i suspect its a temporary thing ... likely one of the packages hasnt built yes
[12:40] <ogra> *yet
[12:40] <lucasvo> ok
[12:40] <rodarvus> lucasvo, no, it hasn't been fixed
[12:40] <lucasvo> how comes that your machines build fine and mine dont'?
[12:40] <rodarvus> funny stuff is it didn't happened locally
[12:40] <ogra> lucasvo, i use the german mirror ... thats not up to date ;)
[12:40] <lucasvo> rodarvus: ok, when will it get into the archives?
[12:40] <rodarvus> lucasvo, someday
[12:41] <rodarvus> as I said, I haven't fixed this yet
[12:41] <rodarvus> likely later today
[12:41] <rodarvus> lucasvo, I seriously doubt this is the worse bug you'll find in edgy
[12:41] <lucasvo> rodarvus: oh, I misread it, I thought you said it has been already fixed
[12:41] <rodarvus> (really :) )
[12:41] <lucasvo> ogra: well the ch mirror is uptodate
[12:41] <lucasvo> germany is lame :P
[12:41] <ogra> lucky me then ;)
[12:42] <rodarvus> xinit was published early afternoon, last Friday
[12:42] <ogra> and x11-common ? 
[12:42] <rodarvus> so I seriously doubt any mirror is not updated WRT this package
[12:42] <ogra> i built chroots the whole wekend just fine 
[12:42] <rodarvus> x11-common is even older
[12:42] <ogra> *weekend
[12:42] <lucasvo> lol
[12:42] <rodarvus> ogra, yeah, thats why this bug is really strange for me
[12:42] <rodarvus> I don't have this file on package 'xinit' locally
[12:43] <lucasvo> ogra: for the germans we will release edgy a week later :P
[12:43] <ogra> and i dont have that problem here ...
[12:43] <lucasvo> what's the difference of locally and not?
[12:43] <lucasvo> btw, why do we install man packages in the chroot at all?
[12:44] <ogra> because the manpage isnt in a separate package
[12:44] <lucasvo> but man is
[12:44] <ogra> debian policy requires a manpage for every executable in /usr/bin or /bin
[12:44] <ogra> so if you ship a binary it needs to have a manpage in the package
[12:52] <RichEd> ogra: pleae confirm if you can make a meeting in #canonical at 12:30 UTC tomorrow ?
[12:57] <ogra> sure, confirmed :)
[12:57] <Yagisan> nforce2 audio should work with (ed)ubuntu right ?
[12:57] <ogra> crimsun would know ...
[12:59] <Yagisan> thanks ogra
[12:59] <Yagisan> one of my converts is upset their sound doesn't work. As they are in Denmark, it's abit hard for me to visit and check it out myself
[01:00] <ogra> pfft, excuses
[01:01] <Yagisan> but, the whole reason they converted was to play a game - and they can't hear the hellish screams now
[01:57] <RichEd> bimberi: just looking for a kicker this week ... not a whole team :)
[02:00] <bimberi> RichEd: hehe, we were lucky Mortlock had his kicking boots on - for once!
[02:41] <lucasvo> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1649619336892509014
[03:11] <cbx33> afternoon people
[03:12] <Petaris> Hi cbx33
[03:12] <cbx33> Hey Petaris 
[03:13] <cbx33> ahhh totally mobile computing
[03:13] <cbx33> this is the life
[03:14] <cbx33> sitting waiting whilst my wife has a manacure for free :p
[03:25] <highvoltage> that looks cool
[03:25] <Petaris> Hi highvoltage 
[03:25] <highvoltage> hi Petaris 
[03:27] <juliux> hi highvoltage jsgotangco 
[03:27] <highvoltage> hi juliux 
[03:27] <jsgotangco> hello juliux!
[03:27] <juliux> has anybody an idea what a user makes wrong if he has to use xdmcp ??
[03:27] <juliux> with edubuntu
[03:59] <cbx33> hey bddebian 
[04:00] <cbx33> ping RichEd 
[04:01] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:01] <bddebian> Hi cbx33
[04:01] <cbx33> hehe
[04:01] <cbx33> howz it going, everything going accroding to plan
[04:01] <bddebian> Never :-)
[04:01] <bddebian> You?
[04:01] <cbx33> bddebian: you got a sec in pm?
[04:01] <cbx33> Yeh everything is great
[04:01] <bddebian> Sure
[04:05] <cbx33> ping Yagisan 
[04:08] <RichEd> cbx33:  pong
[04:08] <cbx33> RichEd: so, in terms of the edubuntu pack
[04:09] <cbx33> is there anything else I can do to help out?
[04:11] <cbx33> I think I must have enormous lag here
[04:12] <cbx33> or maybe not
[04:12] <cbx33> hmmmm
[04:12] <RichEd> cbx33: will send you a mail !
[04:12] <cbx33> RichEd: excellent
[04:13] <cbx33> hmmm
[04:13] <cbx33> irssi has a problem
[04:13] <cbx33> whoever said, "is half busy" I can't see your name?
[04:13] <cbx33> it's white
[04:14] <cbx33> any ideas?
[04:14] <RichEd> RichEd is half busy (on the phone)
[04:14] <cbx33> crikey just joining #ubuntu lost me 100K
[04:14] <cbx33> ahhh
[04:14] <cbx33> anyone know how I can sort out irssi
[04:16] <cbx33> right I'm off
[04:16] <cbx33> almost used up my free 500K
[04:16] <cbx33> heheh
[04:37] <Yagisan> pong cbx33 
[04:37] <Petaris> ajmitch: Did you get your authtool uploaded yet?
[04:38] <Petaris> I'm not finding it through the package search
[04:58] <lucasvo> brilliant: http://www.improveverywhere.com/mission_view.php?mission_id=54
[04:59] <ogra> yay, RichEd just made my evolution explode :)
[05:00] <ogra> seems the development version doesnt like appointment attachments :)
[05:00] <RichEd> file a bug report :  block user richard from calendaring interchange
[05:00] <RichEd> ogra & rodarvus : ignore first date ... wed = actually tue
[05:01] <ogra> i doubt anyone in the company ever used or tested that feature :) so thats great, go on using it as you would expect, thats invaluable test data ;)
[05:01] <RichEd> the desktop toolbar calendar is Sun - Sat view
[05:01] <RichEd> evolution is Mon - Sun view
[05:02] <RichEd> requires a mind shift whenever you check out a date, and then go to make an appointment
[05:02] <RichEd> can't seem to see how i can change either one to look like the other 
[05:03] <ogra> i think its somehow based on your language/locale selection 
[05:03] <ogra> seb128 would know ...
[05:04] <RichEd> he's inactive now in #canonical ... will drop him a mail ... is he Mr Evolution ?
[05:04] <RichEd> or Mr Desktop Clock ? :)
[05:04] <ogra> intrestingly the appointment was added to my calendar ... evo just died afterwards :)
[05:04] <ogra> he's Mr. Desktop
[05:05] <ogra> he's active in #ubuntu-devel
[05:05] <RichEd> tx.
[05:05] <ogra> and in -bugs
[05:05] <rodarvus> ogra, strange, I was able to accept RichEd's invitation just fine
[05:06] <rodarvus> maybe something architecture dependant?
[05:06] <ogra> rodarvus, my evo might be outdated 
[05:06] <ogra> i havnet upgraded since thursday
[05:06] <rodarvus> oh
[05:06] <juliux> hi ogra 
[05:06] <ogra> hey juliux 
[05:07] <juliux> ogra, any idea about why the users have to enable xdmcp ??
[05:07] <juliux> -about
[05:07] <rodarvus> ogra: I hope "X" is not on the regexp of the excuses for not upgrading since Thursday :)
[05:07] <ogra> rodarvus, if i'm developing a feature i keep the last 100% working system snapshot ;)
[05:07] <rodarvus> nice
[05:07] <RichEd> ogra: selb128 is "last msg: unknown" in #ubuntu-devel as well ... will mail him. tx.
[05:08] <ogra> juliux, i answered your mail
[05:08] <juliux> ogra, oh 
[05:08] <ogra> they break their systems by what reason ever ...
[05:08] <juliux> they said they only installed edubuntu
[05:08] <ogra> xdmcp isnt used nor supported in *buntu
[05:08] <ogra> i dont belive that
[05:09] <juliux> ogra, ok, i was ver confused about this 
[05:09] <ogra> ldm wont gain anything if xdmcp is enabled ... it wont use it
[05:09] <ogra> if they changed their IP post install, they should run ltsp-update-sshkeys ... thats the most common FAQ we have
[05:10] <ogra> the symptom of it is that they cant log in through ldm ... running the command solves it
[05:10] <juliux> that i told them
[05:10] <ogra> do you have an url ? 
[05:11] <juliux> ogra, only a few forums posts
[05:11] <juliux> but not realy information
[05:11] <juliux> i am on my way to find out what they have done
[05:12] <juliux> they have the right ltps verison
[05:12] <ogra> xdmcp would only work if you used gdm on the client, which we dont even install there 
[05:13] <RichEd> ahhh rodarvus : a minor buglet ... or usage issue ... rod@ubuntu accepted an appointment maile to rod.no@canonical ... so it says you are an unonown person accepted your appointment
[05:13] <rodarvus> ahn
[05:13] <rodarvus> bummer
[05:13] <RichEd> tried adding both email addresses to you in the contacts ... but it 'aint smart enough to work that one out
[05:13] <RichEd> not significant ... just f.y.i.
[05:14] <rodarvus> evolution is supposed to do this correctly - I wonder why it doesn't
[05:14] <ogra> i suspect they have written a weird lts.conf or installed ltsp 4.2 or whatever
[05:15] <RichEd> a quick multi-boot question if someone has a moment: i've got 3 *buntu boots, so my grub menu.lst is not where 2 of the installs expect
[05:16] <RichEd> when i do an upgrade, and it changes menu.lst must i manually carry the change over ?
[05:16] <pygi> RichEd, all should stay
[05:17] <pygi> so no manual changes needed
[05:17] <RichEd> thanks pygi, but not sure what you mean ... i'll expand:
[05:17] <RichEd> my Edubuntu boot is on hda3
[05:18] <RichEd> but my last install was Kubuntu on hda7
[05:18] <RichEd> so all boots use the grub file /hda7/boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:19] <RichEd> but my update says: testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found ... updating ...
[05:20] <RichEd> so my question is ... is it smart enough to know which menyu.lst was used for booting, or does it just look for the expected file in the expected volume & folder ???
[06:02] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[06:29] <Yagisan> cbx33, pong (again)
[06:35] <cbx33> hi Yagisan 
[06:35] <cbx33> just saying hey
[06:35] <cbx33> howz ya day
[06:35] <cbx33> that kinda thing
[06:36] <cbx33> brb
[06:45] <Yagisan> np cbx33 
[06:45] <Yagisan> I'm fine. getting the CIA bot set up for my project for irc notification of commits
[07:04] <cbx33> nice
[07:07] <Yagisan> cbx33, it's good for people like me that see irc before their email arrives
[07:07] <Yagisan> cbx33, so, how did your python packaging go for gisomount ?
[07:18] <juliux> ogra, any idea? http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/42145/
[07:20] <cbx33> still waiting for it i enter the universe :p
[07:21] <ogra> juliux, no
[07:22] <juliux> yes yes yes i am not the only perso who has no idea ;)
[07:31] <pygi> ogra, you have a sec? :)
[07:31] <pygi> I really need title for my edubuntu presentation ^_^
[07:45] <Yagisan> cbx33, want more python software to package ?
[07:53] <LaserJock> Yagisan: no, you can't have him, he's my python slave ;-)
[07:53] <Yagisan> LaserJock, but, but - I need a python slave
[07:53] <Yagisan> LaserJock, hmm, perhaps you'll do instead >:)
[07:54] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:59] <Yagisan> LaserJock, it's just a small app, but I know SFA about python, so I'm not keen on packaging it myself
[08:00] <LaserJock> Yagisan: oh, you need packaging?
[08:00] <Yagisan> LaserJock, it would be nice. I made an attempt a while ago and screwed up
[08:01] <LaserJock> Yagisan: ah, I thought you needed an app written
[08:01] <LaserJock> packaging is a bit easier
[08:01] <LaserJock> but the new python policy is a bit confusing at times
[08:01] <LaserJock> Yagisan: got a URL for the source tarball?
[08:02] <Yagisan> nope. app is written, I just need it packages, but the packager needs to know python to help me make it policy complent, as it needs to work with my packages
[08:02] <cbx33> LaserJock, indeed it is
[08:03] <Yagisan> LaserJock, sure. http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/deng/snowberry.tar.gz?download
[08:04] <Yagisan> LaserJock, perhaps we should go either to #doomsday (upstream) or pm to discuss this, rather then in #edubuntu ?
[08:04] <cbx33> LaserJock, gisomount still isn;t it :p
[08:05] <Yagisan> cbx33, don't worry, my deng package isn't in yet, and I first tried with hoary
[08:05] <cbx33> Yagisan, *gah*
[08:06] <Yagisan> cbx33, I doubt you have the same issues as me
[08:06] <cbx33> what was your issue?
[08:06] <cbx33> Yagisan, did you get my pm?
[08:06] <Yagisan> cbx33, licenses
[08:07] <cbx33> aaahhh
[08:29] <LaserJock> Yagisan: I don't have much time to do it right now, but I think between you, cbx33, and myself it wouldn't take too long 
[08:29] <Amaranth> arg the lag
[08:30] <cbx33> Yagisan, I'm sure I can help out
[08:30] <Yagisan> LaserJock, ok. It's not urgent, but it would be much appreciated
[08:32] <Yagisan> thanks too cbx33 
[08:32] <cbx33> np
[08:33] <Yagisan> cbx33, have much free time at the moment ?
[08:34] <cbx33> Yagisan, ship over what you have I'll take a look when I get a sec
[08:34] <cbx33> (when I take my headphones off....still working o nsounds)
[08:34] <crimsun> Yagisan: RE: intel8x0 (nf2) yes, audio is supported. What's the issue?
[08:35] <Yagisan> crimsun, ah. A user I converted is claiming no sound.
[08:35] <Yagisan> crimsun, what should I go through with them to check what's wrong ?
[08:35] <crimsun> Yagisan: at all or in specific apps?
[08:37] <Yagisan> crimsun, as far as I'm aware, it is all apps
[08:38] <crimsun> Yagisan: in the former case (which reads like a mixer misconfiguration), check the following mixer elements: 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA' (which will need to be set to either 0 or 3 most commonly, more rarely 1), 'Master'/'PCM' (should be unmuted and set to non-zero levels), and 'External Amplifier' (which either needs to be muted or unmuted depending on the codec revision)
[08:38] <Yagisan> crimsun, any ideas ? (dapper box)
[08:39] <Yagisan> ok
[08:40] <crimsun> Yagisan: in the latter case, some dsps, despite their drivers' capabilities, provide no means for mmapping, so some apps (e.g., quake3) will refuse to run
[08:41] <Yagisan> thanks crimsun. I'll relay this on to the end user. (whish I could see the box myself, but it's in another country)
[08:42] <crimsun> right, barring online troubleshooting, these are the most specific elements I can name for intel8x0.
[08:44] <EmxBA> hi folks
[08:44] <EmxBA> you missed me a lot :(
[08:44] <crimsun> welcome back
[08:47] <EmxBA> hehe
[08:47] <EmxBA> thanks
[08:47] <Yagisan> wb cbx33 
[08:52] <EmxBA> juliux:hi!
[08:56] <Yagisan> crimsun, with 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA' at 0,1 and 3, both with & without external mixer set
[08:56] <Yagisan> there was no sound
[08:56] <crimsun> Yagisan: ok, then I'll need a pastebin of ``amixer'' 
[09:01] <Yagisan> crimsun, http://rafb.net/paste/results/331LKG72.html
[09:03] <crimsun> Yagisan: is (s)he using analog speakers or output to a digital receiver?
[09:04] <Yagisan> crimsun, he's using headphones. he tested the headphones on another box as he first suspected them
[09:04] <crimsun> Yagisan: then (s)he needs to at least execute: amixer set 'IEC958' off && amixer set 'Duplicate Front' on && amixer set '3D Control - Switch' off
[09:06] <Yagisan> crimsun, they reported back "no luck with sound"
[09:07] <crimsun> ok, please reset 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA' to 0
[09:07] <Yagisan> crimsun, thank you for helping
[09:08] <Yagisan> crimsun, they claim no sound
[09:10] <crimsun> Yagisan: has sound never been audible for him?
[09:12] <Yagisan> crimsun, yes, but not in ubuntu (he installed dapper 2-3 days ago) and discovered his new audigy didn't work, and that the nforce2 also does not work
[09:12] <crimsun> err, is his audigy still installed?
[09:13] <Yagisan> crimsun, yes, but no modules loaded
[09:13] <juliux> hi EmxBA 
[09:13] <Yagisan> crimsun, no alsa driver for it apparently
[09:13] <EmxBA> hi
[09:14] <crimsun> Yagisan: hmm, how new is it?
[09:14] <crimsun> Yagisan: if it's still installed in the machine, ``lspci -v && lspci -nv'' would be useful
[09:15] <Yagisan> crimsun, sorry - its a  Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi not audigy
[09:16] <crimsun> ah, ok. Yeah, James only recently began committing support for that codec into hg.
[09:16] <Yagisan> crimsun, still want thoses ids ?
[09:17] <crimsun> Yagisan: nah, no need. Let's start with a pristine alsa state.
[09:18] <crimsun> Yagisan: he'll need to close whatever apps are using the sound device (probably by logging out and switching to a console, then logging in there), then unload snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec, then rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state, then reload snd_intel8x0, then re-execute invoke-rc.d alsa-utils start
[09:18] <Yagisan> crimsun, any further ideas ?
[09:19] <crimsun> (sorry, I can only type so fast...)
[09:19] <Yagisan> sorry crimsun 
[09:20] <Yagisan> hmm. that will be beyond his skill at the moment
[09:22] <Yagisan> crimsun, start in single user mode. rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.stat then run shutdown -r now ?
[09:23] <crimsun> Yagisan: well, that would work, too
[09:23] <Yagisan> crimsun, good. as I said, very new user
[09:29] <crimsun> (away for a bit, phone conference)
[09:30] <Yagisan> np, thanks for your help crimsun 
[09:46] <Yagisan> crimsun, no joy
[09:46] <Yagisan> crimsun, I'm off to bed now. If you have any other ideas please message me
[09:46] <crimsun> Yagisan: I would have been amazed if it had worked after that
[09:47] <crimsun> (the goal being to restore to a known-sane state)
[09:47] <Yagisan> crimsun, anything else I should get him to try right now ?
[09:48] <crimsun> Yagisan: just have him toggle 'External Amplifier' for now
[09:48] <crimsun> if sound still isn't audible, I'll need the register dump from /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0+regs
[09:49] <crimsun> (probably won't get around to inspecting the latter til tomorrow, though)
[09:51] <Yagisan> crimsun, cat works to get that register dump ?
[09:52] <crimsun> Yagisan: yes
[09:53] <Yagisan> crimsun, I'll email it to you after I wake up (I expect it to be in my inbox by then)
[09:54] <crimsun> Yagisan: ok, please tag the subject with [UBUNTU ALSA] 
[09:54] <crimsun> otherwise I'll likely miss it due to spam filters
[11:10] <mhz> hi yo'all