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SpAwNjustjosh, but u should be able to open xmms but clicking a mp3 or starting xmms in cli or from the start menu12:08
justjoshdammit. couldn't open audio error. please check that soundcard is configured properly you have the correct output plugin selected no other program is blocking the soundcard12:08
justjoshjust what exactly does THAT mean?12:09
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SpAwNjustjosh, could mean a few things12:09
dr_willis!sound12:09
ubotuIf sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems12:09
SpAwNopen xmms and gotot the options12:09
justjoshi'm in options. let me try the alsa thing first12:09
SpAwNjustjosh > restricted12:10
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SpAwNSpAwN > restricted12:10
SpAwNhmm12:10
justjoshsound tests ok12:10
SpAwN!restricted12:10
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats12:10
SpAwNjustjosh, ^^12:10
justjoshadvanced linux sound architecture == alsa?12:11
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aliasfredjustjosh: yes12:12
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justjoshSWEET!!!!12:12
FJ_SanchezHello to everybody12:12
justjoshdr_willis and spawn, if you were here I'd rub your nipples.12:13
aliasfredjustjosh: i see you are very happy about this :)12:13
SpAwNjustjosh, lol.....im adude12:13
justjoshjust a bit. now the wife'll get yellin at me about switchin from windows12:13
SpAwNbut w/e itll be a party....12:13
SpAwNlol j/k12:13
justjoshright now spawn you could be a 7 foot tall transsexual and i'd still rub you.12:13
justjoshthanks for the help12:14
BluesKajwife has her own pc12:14
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SpAwNjustjosh, not a prob man12:14
BluesKajstill have dvd burning issues with tovid which I hope to solve after I finsh this dvd burn in windows12:15
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BluesKajKitchener ON !12:16
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gan|y|medciao12:17
justjoshcan't init alsasink driver? trying another one....no usable audio driver found?12:17
dakocan someone halp me with an fstab question?12:17
justjosh!fstab12:17
ubotuThe /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions12:17
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gekko`!ask > dako12:17
justjoshthen konqueror crashes....what a pain.12:18
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justjoshah, but it works in firefox. go figure12:19
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FJ_SanchezI cannot get running phpmyadmin12:22
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FJ_SanchezI can do it only if i try access to 127.0.0.1/phpmyadmin but I want access with localhost/phpmyadmin12:23
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shadeofgreyi am so friggin mystified12:24
shadeofgreydoes anybody here know how the hell the "set word wrap" option for composition in kmail actually works?12:24
shadeofgreyit supposedly wants a value of columns -- not characters.  can someone please explain to me what this really means?12:25
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james14I have a bluetooth wireless mouse.  I can get it to work with  hidd --connect 00:0D:3A:A2:74:E6.  If I don't use the mouse for 10 minutes, I have to push button and give this command again.  Do you know the settings for automatic pairing?12:26
posthumanis it possible to 'extract' a deb file into a specific directory?12:27
dr_willistry 'mc' and see if ya can view the contents . :) i do that all the time with rpms and otehr archives12:28
gekko`posthuman: why you want to extract a deb file?12:29
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r1d31ckalguem fala portugues a?12:33
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shadeofgreycan someone in here please help me with my kmail problem12:34
shadeofgreyits so simple its ridiculous12:34
shadeofgreybut i have no idea what the hell is going on12:34
BrigadierFrogdr_willis: I take that back, its about a 102k files max12:34
BrigadierFrogI wonder why I get a too many files open error then12:35
BrigadierFrogin several applications12:35
BrigadierFrogand sftp12:35
BrigadierFrogbox comprimised maybe?12:35
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dr_willisBrigadierFrog,  yes - i was just thinking when ya asked that.. what in the world are ya getting to have so many open.12:38
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BrigadierFrogwell, its a torrent file12:38
BrigadierFrogit only happens for torrents and sftp12:38
dr_willishmmmm12:38
BrigadierFroglike, sftp won't let me copy a huge directory with thousands of files12:39
BrigadierFrogand bittorrent complains after about 1023 files12:39
dr_willisYou got torrents with 1023 files?12:39
BrigadierFrogthere's one with 2000 files12:39
dr_willisor 1023 torrents going? :P12:39
BrigadierFrogthat I'm trying to get12:39
dr_willisheh -12:39
dr_willisI think my  MAME rom torrenst proberly got that many. :P12:39
BrigadierFrogand does it work ok on kubuntu?12:40
BrigadierFrogI think my install is messed up somehow12:40
BrigadierFrogkernel comprimised maybe...12:40
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BrigadierFrogthis is why I use bsd usually... less issues like this... but whatever12:40
dr_willisIve never seen that issue befor.12:41
dr_willisand ive been using linux for ages. :P12:41
dr_willisTo the Bat Google!12:41
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shadeofgreyguys i really need help here12:42
shadeofgreythisis driving me nuts12:42
dr_willis;)12:42
shadeofgreywhy the hell is word wrapping in kmail so retarded?12:42
rr72dapper is the latest right?12:42
shadeofgreyyes12:42
dr_willisnever used it.. cant tell ya shadeofgrey12:42
rr72how do i check my kde version from the command line?12:42
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rr72what is the latest version of kde?12:42
Kr4t05rr72 3.5.412:43
rr72how do i check from cmd line?12:43
rr72my version of kde12:43
dr_williskicker --version perhaps12:43
rr72i can't -- since - are obsolete12:44
rr72hawkwind told me not to use - anymore12:44
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dr_willisHeh good luck there -    I know of ooodles of programs that still use -   instead of -12:44
dr_willisand 0 is not obsolete.12:44
dr_willisoops;..12:44
dr_willis :P12:44
rr73peace out oging for dinner12:44
Hawkwindrr73: Would you knock off the crap please12:45
Hawkwindrr73: I specifically told you that the - in tar commands was obsolete.  You trolling has gone too far IMO12:45
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PsySinewhat package should I install to get mp3-support in amarok?12:46
Kr4t05PsySine: libxine-extra codecs12:47
Kr4t05PsySine: libxine-extracodecs**12:47
PsySineKr4t05: thanks12:47
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djk_does badblocks search for badblocks in the filesystem or on the hdd?12:47
cwraig!guide12:49
ubotuI know nothing about guide - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu12:49
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CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi!alarm clock12:51
ubotuI know nothing about alarm clock - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu12:51
CaBlGuY-SuRfErKianyone around?12:52
Hawkwind267 others besides yourself12:52
h3sp4wndr_willis: Do you use mame or advancemame ?12:52
dr_willish3sp4wn,  both :P12:54
dr_willisadvancemame is nicer in some ways - but the dev for it needs to quit being so 'differnt' in some ways12:54
h3sp4wnThe versions of mame are ancient in dapper / edgy / sid though12:55
dr_willisie:  he uses 'rom' instead of 'roms' for the default rom dir and so on for several things.. Makes it a pain to have both xmame/mame32/advancemame on the usbhd.12:55
dr_willish3sp4wn,  yep  thats an annoyance with dapper.12:55
dr_willisand ubuntu in general12:55
dr_willislook at some of the other emulators.. way old12:55
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h3sp4wnYes - any recent version of zsnes (either svn or WIP build) performs alot better (in high res) - thing about mame for me is the compile process is so complicated I never seem to get it performing well12:58
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warlockywarlock -_-12:58
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Raven301When you do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ... I there a setting you can do to stop a program from being updated??12:58
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Raven301s/I/Is12:59
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JuanGI want to Help01:03
HawkwindRaven301: Look in the man pages for apt for holding an app01:04
Raven301ok h3sp4wn01:04
HawkwindRaven301: Tab completion :P01:04
Raven301ok Hawkwind01:04
Raven301sorry h3sp4wn01:04
Raven301:)01:04
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h3sp4wnIts dpkg you use to hold an app (or aptitude)01:05
HawkwindAh right.  I thought man apt didn't sound right01:05
h3sp4wnecho whatever hold | dpkg --set-selections01:05
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h3sp4wnYou can also use /etc/apt/preferences to pin but its more complicated or aptitude hold whatever (but the aptitude way sometimes seems to not work as it should)01:07
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rr73# deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security universe                         should that be commented out?01:09
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rr73why is it holding back 78 packs when in upgrading to new KDE?01:13
h3sp4wnuse dist-upgrade not upgrade01:13
h3sp4wnmake sure dapper-updates is enabled01:13
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rr73it is01:13
rr73someone should change the how to on-line so people don't screw their systems01:14
rr73like me01:14
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rr73too late now i already did a apt-get upgrade01:14
rr73hope i don't fuck my system up too badly01:14
h3sp4wnalways dist-upgrade01:14
h3sp4wnif you do that after it will be fine01:15
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rr73i can't do dist-upgrade cause Hawkwind to never use - anymore01:15
rr73so there is no need for apt-get upgrade anymore?01:15
rr73do i del the kde repo no from my sources? and do i comment out dapper update?01:16
Hawkwindrr73: Cut the crap, seriously01:16
Hawkwindrr73: I've told you what I meant and you've taken too damn far01:16
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rr73h3sp4wn~ do i delete kde from the repos now?01:16
Hawkwindrr73: If you can't realize that I told you that - are not needed when you do tar -zjvf commands, then that's YOUR fault01:16
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rr73and do i comment out dapper-updates?01:17
Hawkwindgnomefreak: Ping01:17
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crimsunrr73: please do not attack your fellow irc users.01:17
rr73crimsun~ i am not attacking anyone01:17
rr73i have not touched anyones computer01:18
Hawkwindrr73: You're telling everyone I told you *not* to use - in any command.  That is totally false01:18
rr73i have no software to attack any coputers01:18
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Kr4t05rr73: no one likes a smart-ass.01:18
Hawkwindcrimsun: He's got me on ignore so he can't see what I'm telling him :(01:18
rr73then i hate myslef01:18
rr73i don't care that i hate myself01:19
Hawkwindcrimsun: Got a second for a pm by chance ?01:19
rr73crimsun~ do i remove the kde line from my sources ones ive upgraded?01:19
crimsunrr73: what are you dist-upgrading to?01:19
crimsunHawkwind: sure01:19
rr73h3sp4wn~ ty for telling to dist-upgrade01:19
Hawkwindcrimsun: Thanks01:19
rr732.5.401:19
rr73*3.5.401:19
rr73kde01:20
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crimsunrr73: on dapper? Then you need the dapper-security repo, too.01:20
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rr73i have that01:20
rr73i don't know what ur talking about01:20
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h3sp4wnrr74: and dapper-updates (or you will have an issue with cups)01:20
crimsunrr73: then what kde line are you referring to?01:21
rr73crimsun~  i don't know what dapper-security yr talking baout01:21
rr73the one i put in to upgrade kde01:21
rr73h3sp4wn~ was that for me?01:21
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h3sp4wnrr73: I think so01:21
rr73and from now on only do dist-upgrade not upgrade?01:22
crimsunrr73: if you want 3.5.4, then you have to use the kubuntu.org repo01:22
rr73crimsun~ i have 3.5.401:22
rr73do i delete the line i just put in?01:22
crimsunrr73: you haven't explained what you're trying to do01:23
rr73im not doing anything01:23
rr73i want to know after i dist-upgrade am i supposed to del/comment out the kde line i enterd01:23
crimsunno, you don't have to01:23
rr73do i have to comment out dapper-upgrade?01:24
crimsunwhat is "dapper-upgrade" ?01:24
rr73h3sp4wn~ do i comment out dapper-upgrade?01:24
h3sp4wndapper-updates01:24
crimsunif you mean the "dapper-updates" repo, no, don't comment it out.01:24
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rr73so im supposed to ONLY dist-upgrade from now on?01:25
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rr73is apt-get upgrade unsafe?01:25
crimsunno, and no.01:26
Raven301When updating your system is there an option so it doesn't update a certain program??01:26
rr73when do i do dist-upgrade?01:26
crimsunplease read the distinction between the 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade' operations in apt-get(8).01:26
rr73and when do i do upgrade?01:26
rr73im not reading naything01:26
rr73gimme a link then i read it01:26
HawkwindLOL01:27
crimsunrr73: http://www.fifi.org/cgi-bin/man2html/usr/share/man/man8/apt-get.8.gz01:27
Hawkwindrr73: If you won't read, then it's likely you won't get much help unfortunately01:27
rr73im not reading manual pages01:27
rr73i hate them01:27
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rr73h3sp4wn~ so i upgrade for normal stuff and dist-upgrade for big things?01:27
Kr4t05rr73: go back to Windows, you ignorant n00b.01:27
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farousrr73: you need to pin the package you do not want to upgrade. use your prefferred package manager for that01:27
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rr73farous~ i just use apt-get01:28
faroussorry ment for Raven301 nor rr73 stupid tab completion01:28
rr73oh01:28
rr73that didnt make sense01:28
rr73hey Admiral_Chicago01:28
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Admiral_Chicagorr73, hey whats up01:29
rr73how are ur teeth?01:29
Raven301farous: I use command line ... is there something for that?01:29
rr73just about to get banned from crimsun for no god damn reason01:29
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Admiral_Chicagobetter. just a pain in the mooth to eat01:29
crimsunrr73: have you been banned yet by me?01:29
farousRaven301: let me check a link or you01:29
rr73who knows01:29
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rr73ive been fucking glined from this net01:29
HawkwindUghhh @ the language01:30
Hawkwind!language01:30
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.01:30
rr73like i care01:30
Raven301rr73: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=21992001:30
crimsunrr73: then kindly don't say that you're about to get banned by me, or you will.01:30
rr73ty Raven30101:31
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Riddellcrimsun?01:32
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Riddellcrimsun: why the +t?01:32
crimsunRiddell: preemptive measure for the topic01:32
Riddelldo you have reason to expect vandalism?01:32
rr73i thought +t was standard for freenode's services01:32
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HawkwindRiddell: Maybe he's hiding a can of spray paint we don't know about :P01:33
crimsunRiddell: I have reason, yes01:33
Riddellcrimsun: ok, please -t when reason goes away01:33
crimsunRiddell: I will.01:33
AdemanI want to replace my mother's rotten to the core virus+ spyware ridden Windows XP box with kubuntu... You guys think I can make the bottom panel look convincingly like the Windows XP start bar that I could get away with it untill she figured out that she liked it more than her old operating system? (of course i'll back up the old hard drive, and on top of that leave the windows partition, but just make kubuntu be default)01:34
farousRaven301: there you go http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html01:34
crimsunrr73: obviously you can't be forced to read man pages, but apt-get(8) has the most succinct explanation of the difference.01:35
unstablesob_Ademan: don't lie to your mother, thats evil01:35
Raven301thank a lot farous ... I'll give it a read :)01:35
rr73succinct?01:35
rr73oh it is a word01:35
farousRaven301: ur welcomed :)01:36
Ademanunstablesob_: I won't say anything :-)  and really i'm half kidding, I am really considering adding a kubuntu partition to that computer though, the Windows XP partition is as good as dead01:36
rr73Girded or tucked up01:36
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djk_Ademan: http://www.xpde.com/01:36
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AdemanI just walked into the kitchen and watched in horror as the poor thing struggled with the "flying through space" screensaver...01:37
Raven301:)01:37
unstablesobAdeman: just make the task bar "small", get rid of the app launchers, set it to only have 1 desktop, and remove the pager .... should be decent enough for a windows user01:37
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rr73unstablesob~ but transpereant wouldnt work ;) mine wouldnt get awayy01:38
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scastWhere can I find a "decent" source.list ?01:38
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rr73get a copy of the start button to ;) and background she has ;)01:39
farous!easysource01:39
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic01:39
farousscast: ^ ^01:39
Hawkwindscast: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=545.0  <~~Here's mine posted on my forums01:39
Ademani'm thinking i will, i just wish there was decent ntfs support on linux (i know its getting better) that way i could keep the old partition and maybe clean it out or something01:39
scastAight... thanks01:39
shadeofgreyokay01:41
shadeofgreyi say again im in desperate need of help with kmail01:42
Ademanuse eclipse01:42
Ademansorry01:42
Ademanevolution01:42
shadeofgreytheres got to be a way to fix the word wrap problems01:42
Ademan:-p01:42
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shadeofgreyi find it very hard to nbelieve that the developpers would intentionally render the software basically unusable because the word wrap functions dont do dick01:43
shadeofgreyifg thats indeed the case tehn somebody needs to learn how to code a tad bit better01:43
ubuntuhi everyone01:44
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ubuntucant anyone tell me if orinoco drivers are working with 6.06lts kubuntu, are they included somewhere, ,or do I have to try to mke something from scratch01:45
Martijn81hi ubuntu, sorry to ask but what is "orinoco", wireless card?01:47
Hawkwindubuntu: If it's a Orinoco B card, it should be supported natively.  I know mine in my laptop is01:47
scastCan I mix, for example, Seveas' repo with Cipherfunk repo? (They both have w32codes)... I spect that apt will pick the most up-to-date w32codecs version, or they may conflict?01:48
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Hawkwindscast: Yes.  It shouldn't hurt anything01:48
ubuntuIve been trying to get the usb wireless device on my compaq N410C to work,, so far suse 10 detect it naturally but I stll cant connect anywhere,, was wondering if new brew of kubuntu would work01:48
Hawkwindscast: If you're looking at my sources.list I gave you the link to, refresh the page as I updated it just now01:48
Raven301farous: Thanks again editing /etc/apt/preferences worked great :)01:49
farousRaven301: you are welcomed my friend :)01:49
Raven301:)01:49
ubuntuso far in with live cd kubuntu,, 6.06 Ive tried lspci -v,, and its not detected01:49
scastHawkwind: and I thought mine was a little too long.01:50
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ubuntuand in lsusb -v not detected either01:51
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farouswould the broadcom wireless card have better support on edgy? is upgrading to newer kernel worth the hastle to use the opensource driver or should i just stick to the ndiswrapper01:51
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Dark_Oppressorim trying to 'apt-get install scons', but i keep getting errors, and then i have to 'apt-get remove scons' just to get apt-get to work right again01:52
h3sp4wnubuntu: is it in lshw (if its pcmcia I wouldn't expect it to be in lspci or lsusb)01:52
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Dark_Oppressoris there something i dont know that might get scons to install right?01:52
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MontoyaHola01:52
MontoyaNesecito una ayuda01:52
MontoyaComo monto un servidor web en Ubuntu01:53
koshno idea what you said01:53
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Dark_Oppressorlol01:53
koshI pretty much only speak english and some programming languages01:53
Montoyaque tengo que instalar para que sirva con PHP y MySQL01:53
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ubuntuah ha! found it01:54
ubuntuiProduct                1 Compaq WLAN MultiPort W20001:54
ubuntu  iSerial                 2 PG33JL9AAL0301:54
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scastIgn ftp://cipherfunk.org dapper/main Sources what does that mean?01:54
ubuntuh3sp4wn: its a device attached to the lid ,, and ride on usbport,,01:56
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ubuntuh3sp4wn: found it in lsusb under sudo01:56
ubuntuh3sp4wn: but cant see it with wireless lan manager :(01:56
wordis it possible to do a dist-upgrade type thing from 32 bit kubuntu to 64 bit? or uh what packages are diff?01:57
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djk_Riddell: how old are you?01:57
koshless then the age of the universe but not by much ;)01:58
Raven301farous: I use this for my wireless http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18517401:59
farousRaven301: thanx will check it out01:59
Raven301np01:59
h3sp4wnubuntu: You need linux-wlan-ng and probably to install linux-restricted-modules (which may have the firmware in it) but I would say I am only 50% that it will work you may have to extract the firmware from the card yourself02:00
ubuntuh3sp4wn: and if I do lshw,, its under usb0 *usb unclaimed02:01
farousRaven301: tried that but my window driver did not work. did you use the window driver or the one posted on the thread02:01
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=== farous now using a downloaded driver with the 2.6.17-3 kernel
h3sp4wnubuntu: Are you currently on the livecd ? -02:02
Raven301farous: These are the ones I use  bcmwl5.inf  bcmwl5.sys  wl_apsta.o02:02
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plugsis it possible to play Windows Media formats?02:02
ubuntuif few words I have to install first, to do update and installing modules02:02
ubuntuyes on livecd02:02
farousRaven301: cool i did not get the wl_apsta one will try it now thanx alot02:02
Raven301np02:02
h3sp4wnubuntu: try sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-28602:03
Kr4t05!tell plugs about restrictedcodecs02:03
ubotuI know nothing about restrictedcodecs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu02:03
h3sp4wnubuntu: try sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-38602:03
Kr4t05!tell plugs about restricted codecs02:03
ubotuI know nothing about restricted codecs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu02:03
Kr4t05GAR!02:03
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plugs!tell plugs about restricted02:03
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ubuntuh3sp4wn: will try taht,, one moment02:05
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aureliohola02:05
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h3sp4wnubuntu: Then try modprobe prism2_usb (then see whether it is detected)02:06
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ubuntuh3sp4wn: I get message restricted modules already newest02:07
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h3sp4wnubuntu: what happens if you do 'modprobe prism2_usb'02:08
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Snake[ONAIR] Tune into imagination radio! Alternative Rock/Classic/Heavy Metal I'm DJing now till 12 EST! http://tinyurl.com/hswrl All requests can be PMed to me :-)02:08
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h3sp4wnubuntu: does it complain about missing firmware ?02:08
flaccidcommand to test apache vhost config?02:08
h3sp4wntelnet vhostdomain.com 8002:09
h3sp4wnget /02:09
ubuntuh3sp4wn: so far after modprobe it just return me to prompt02:09
h3sp4wnubuntu: /sbin/ifconfig -a (see if wlan0 is mentioned)02:09
ubuntuh3sp4wn: eth0, l0, and sit002:12
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flaccid!apache02:13
ubotulamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP02:13
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h3sp4wnubuntu: I think you have 2 choices - install it and try to get it working afterwards - or try to find a distro which supports it out of the box (I don't think it can be done from the livecd)02:15
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koshand then people get to find out later why mysql is not a relational database ;)02:15
h3sp4wn!wireless02:15
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs02:15
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miyakoDoes kubuntu come with support for ReiserFS?02:15
ubuntuwill install in a few min.. will be back after,, thx h3sp4wn02:16
koshv3 I can't imagine it not supported v4 I think is very unlikely02:16
miyakomy old machine running suse 10.0 shot craps, and I got a  new machine, decided to put Kubuntu on it, wanted to make sure I'd be able to read my old drive formatted as ReiserFS so I can pull my data off of it02:18
h3sp4wnYou can use reiserfs4 (if you want but I wouldn't) the tools / kernel support it02:18
miyakoI think Suse is 3, so if it supports 3 then that's all I need02:18
h3sp4wnIt supports 3 fine02:18
miyakook :)  I know some distros don't ship with support for it.02:19
h3sp4wnubuntu ships with support for as much as humanly possible02:19
miyakoso any advice for someone who's never used Ubuntu before, but is experienced with Linux in general?  I've heard it's a really good distro- which is why I decided to try it out.02:19
miyakojust hope I can get Maya to install properly on it, otherwise I'll have to go back to SuSE- which has been irritating me lately.02:20
koshh3sp4wn: the ubuntu default kernel supports reiservs4 by default? that surprises me a lot the kernel devs won't let it in because of how intrustive the changes are, that seems like a pretty risky thing to have by default02:20
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miyakohmm, while I'm waiting for my iso to download, perhaps I should call MS tech support and try to get a refund for the copy of XP that came on this new box.02:22
koshfat chance02:22
h3sp4wnkosh: The tools etc are there so I would presume that the kernel supports it02:22
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koshh3sp4wn: where do you see v4 stuff?02:23
h3sp4wnkosh: /sbin02:23
koshhmm interesting02:24
kosheither way I know it does not work on my system since I am not using the ubuntu kernels02:24
h3sp4wnkosh: I still wouldn't use it (I know too many people who have lost data to it (sometimes multiple times))02:24
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koshI lost data to reiserfs v3 once and I have not touched v402:25
koshif the kernel fs people don't like it then I don't want to touch it02:25
koshreiserfs had nasty issues of on a bad shutdown random garbage ended up in the file02:26
koshthe reiserfs devs kept blaming it on the kernel, dma etc but the poitn is that ext2 ext3 xfs and jfs won't do it no matter how many times you badly shut it down02:26
h3sp4wnI think as soon as reiser4 has been in the main kernel for 6 months I will use it02:26
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koshI don't have any intention of using it02:27
koshit is not any faster, it consumes more cpu power to run02:27
Snake[ONAIR] Tune into imagination radio! Alternative Rock/Classic/Heavy Metal I'm DJing now till 12 EST! http://tinyurl.com/hswrl All requests can be PMed to me :-)02:27
koshand it is vastly more complex02:27
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miyakoI usually use the default FS for whatever distro I'm using, for regular desktop usage it doesn't seem to make a lot of difference02:27
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h3sp4wnI use reiser302:28
koshsure they show some benchmarks that are faster with reiserfsv4 but I have seen enough others where it loses abysmally especially once the fs has been running for a while02:28
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koshreiser3 and reiser4 have nothing in common with each other02:28
koshthe disk format, code etc are all completely different02:28
koshthe only commonality is both where done by hans reiser02:28
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Dodgeri've got a problem with kded using 100% of one of my CPUs at all times02:29
koshDodger: kill it and restart it02:29
Dodgerkill doesn't work02:29
Dodgeri tried that02:29
Dodgerit won't go away02:29
koshkill -9 it02:29
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Dodgerah that did it :)02:30
Dodgerthanks02:30
aaron_penguin02:30
jeeklDodger: kill -9 means "KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!1". Nothing survives that.02:30
aaron_linux rocks02:30
miyakogeeze, I need to pick a faster mirror for downloading this is. 7 hours is forever.02:31
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Dark_Oppressorim having trouble getting python2.4-zopeinterface to install, can someone take a look at the error im getting and see if they have any ideas?02:35
Shannon1hi everyone,, I have a question ,, is there a way to make menu transparent,, in breezy02:35
Shannon1cant seem to find the option anywhere02:36
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JucatoShannon1: System Settings > Appearance > Style > Effects tab > Menu effect drop-down list > Translucent02:37
nixternalHello Everyone! In roughly 25 minutes, 01:00 UTC, in #ubuntu-classroom we will be giving a lesson on IRC. There will be a brief introduction to IRSSI, and a basic lesson on Konversation, Kubuntu's default IRC client. Everyone is welcome to join in. Thank you!02:38
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bcronMy kubuntu disk wasn't getting the job done so I installed Xubuntu and after it installed I apt got kubuntu-desktop... Is this any different an install as I would have gotten from the default Kubuntu?02:39
scastHawkwind: Oh well. Updating... I didn't use your whole sources.list just because I don't know what's in most of them and I don't feel well using repositories that I don't know... :d02:39
Shannon1ha ah!  was seeing some transparent setting but was greyd out.. thx Jucato02:39
Jucatowoow... Aaron Seigo was here... @_@02:39
JucatoShannon1: no problem02:40
Hawkwindscast: No worries.  It's just there for users to have a list and to choose what they want from it02:40
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scastHawkwind: btw, nice site. Reading a lot in there.02:42
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miyakodoes ubuntu ship with java, or is it available in one of the repositories?02:43
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visik7miyako: is in universe02:44
miyakook02:44
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miyakosorry for all the dumb questions02:44
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Martijn81!java > miyako02:44
Martijn81there's no such thing ;)02:45
Jucatovisik7: java is in multiverse02:45
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Jucato!java02:45
miyakojust trying to get prepared so once the iso is downloaded I can install and have a working system as soon as possible02:45
ubotujava is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository02:45
visik7Jucato: yes sorry02:45
Hawkwindscast: Thanks :)02:46
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scastI am trying to figure out how to install nvidia tho.02:46
Jucatovisik7: no need to apologize :-)02:46
scast!nvidia02:48
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto02:48
scastah nice.02:48
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Jucatouniq: thanks for the tip in the forums, but it didn't work. I'm still having media:/ problems... :-(02:57
Johncro13'ello, room.02:57
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Jucatoroom says hi to Johncro1302:58
Jucatojoin #adept02:58
Jucatoerr...02:58
Jucatonothing there... @_@02:58
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Johncro13I've got an interesting one.02:59
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nixternal#ubuntu-classroom for a lesson in IRC03:01
Johncro13anyone know how to config libc6?03:01
nixternalKonversation will be my lecture for those interested!!!03:01
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Johncro13la la la03:05
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Johncro13any ideas?03:11
nixternalhehe Johncro13, hopefully someone will come along and help03:11
nixternalwish i could, but i would probably make it worse for ya ;)03:11
CheeseBurgerManWhat's the problem?03:11
Johncro13real easy.  I need wpa supplicant just to get on the web.03:13
Johncro13dig?03:14
visik7Johncro13: what kind of auth method do you use ?03:14
Johncro13I was just trying to instal the deb package.03:14
visik7wpa_supplicant is installed by default on dapper03:14
Johncro13is it really, then?03:15
CheeseBurgerManI assume that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo didn't help?03:15
Johncro13man, I looked all over.03:16
Johncro13that particular link uses apt-get.03:16
Johncro13i need to be online to use apt-get.03:16
CheeseBurgerManWell, if it's installed already, you probably don't need to apt-get it. ;)03:16
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Johncro13well....yeah.03:17
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visik7wpa-supplicant is installed by default to configure it take care of common wpa_supplicant configs and read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes03:18
Johncro13did that.03:19
visik7so what's the problem ?03:20
Johncro13oddly still not working.03:20
visik7run ifup ethX and run wpa_cli03:20
Johncro13I'll have a look at my config file.  That might be it.03:20
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visik7then run status inside wpa_cli03:20
Johncro13wpa_cli.  got it.03:21
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^martin-23^hi people, question: when i install kubuntu, y saw a application like Ark that notice me the critical updates of kernel and more aplications, but i closed that app and never saw it, i cant find it, where is? (sorry for my english :P)03:23
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abattoir^martin-23^: 'adept_updater'03:24
^martin-23^thanks!03:24
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Jucato^martin-23^: if there are updates available, you'll see an icon in your system tray, an open box with a "!" that will tell you that updates are available03:27
^martin-23^thanks03:27
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os2macanyone wanna take bets I can get Kubuntu running on this http://www.itronix.com/products/notebooks/gobookiii.asp03:30
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simon___Grr... !@#$%^&() nvidia driver.03:32
sophie_os2mac: is the challenge getting the gps module working also03:32
simon___I just installed the nvidia driver, did glx-config enable and now I can't start X.03:33
simon___This is amazing.03:33
simon___nick scast03:33
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sophie_os2mac: also get the intergrated Radeon working in 3d with open source drivers03:34
scastWhy is it *so* hard to get the freaking nvidia drivers working *g*03:35
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os2macI think just getting the hardware to work would be a problem.03:35
rr72scast~ it is hard but i got them working finally03:35
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scastI had a lot of trouble with other distros, but in the only department I didn't have problem with is installing the nvidia drivers -_-03:36
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Hawkwindscast: What's so hard about them ?  You install the packages via apt-get, edit your xorg.conf file on one line, restart X and they work03:37
scastMaybe the fact that you *can't* restart X anymore.03:37
HawkwindWhy can't you ?03:37
rr72did u manually do it or did u get the package?03:37
Kr4t05scast: ctrl+alt+backspace03:38
Jucatoscast: could you check if the linux-restricted-modules-xxxx that you have matches with the linux-image-xxxx youo are using?03:38
scastI got the package from the repositories, I am not going to download and manually do something. I just installed kubuntu.03:38
scastJucato: Yes, but let me check.03:38
scastHawkwind: no idea.03:38
rr72make sure modile "DLI" or somin like taht is not in ur Xorg config file and that nv has changed to nvidia03:38
rr72!nvidia > scast03:39
rr72follow that it works03:39
rr72thats how i finally did it03:39
Jucato!nvidia03:39
scastrr72: I did follow that.03:39
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto03:39
rr72what errors?03:39
rr72or is it just not working?03:39
Jucatorr72: the funny thing about that nvidia wiki... there's no Kubuntu-specific version...03:40
scastWhere is the X11 errors log?03:40
rr72/var/log/xorg03:40
rr72then tab-complete03:40
scastJucato: that's the same thing I said when I saw "Go to the [add here a gnome menu] "03:40
Jucatoat /var/log/Xorg.0.log03:40
rr72Jucato~ worked for me03:40
Hawkwindscast: /var/log/Xorg.0.log actually03:40
rr72but i had to reset my xorg config file03:41
Jucatoscast: so do you have matching linux-image and linux-restricted-modules versions?03:41
rr72since i thought it was messed ip03:41
HawkwindThere is no such directory as /var/log/xorg03:41
macd /var/log/X11/03:41
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Jucatorr72: which means you had synaptic installed...03:41
Hawkwindmacd: No such directory as that either03:41
rr72Jucato~ i don't use synaptic03:41
macd hmm, exists here03:41
macdsuppose thats due to my own doing though03:42
scastJucato: yes.03:42
Hawkwindmacd: Doubtful.  Maybe /etc/X1103:42
scastApparently the error is "Fatal error: no screens found"03:42
Hawkwindmacd: Unless you created it yourself for some strange reason03:42
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Jucatorr72: instruction #1 goes: "Select the System menu at the top of the screen."03:42
rr72get a new xorg config file03:42
rr72Jucato~ i just looked for the pack names and apt-get them03:42
scastI think it's something that has to do with the BusID03:42
scastdamn it I wish I know how to copy from a tty lawl03:43
bubu1uk[Away] what is newest kernel in repositories?03:43
macddavid@mobile2:~$ ls /var/log/X11/03:43
macdXorg.0.log03:43
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macdIve been known to do wierder thigs :P03:43
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rr72scast~ try to sudo dpkg-reconfig -phigh xserver-xog03:43
Jucatorr72: ah... but the guide is supposed to be for someone using a GUI, right?03:43
rr72*xorg03:43
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rr72that will reset ur xorg config file03:43
rr72to defualt03:43
scastI got it. It was the BusID03:43
scastI commented it and it worked.03:44
rr72i was worried about mine too03:44
rr72just left mine tho, it works03:44
rr72pci:0:0?03:44
rr72Jucato~ i presume so03:45
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scastBrb.03:45
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scasthmmm03:46
scast1024x768 -_- How do I get 1280x1024 ? rawr03:46
rr72edit ur xorg config file if u don't see it in the display properties under advanced03:47
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JucatoI thought that the Display control module they added in Dapper would make changes like that easier in GUI...03:47
scastIt's never going to be easy.03:48
scastbrb03:49
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Jucatoyeah, switching video drivers, even using the free/open source ones, has never been easy...03:49
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simon___why is switching virtual desktops is so slow?03:58
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justjoshcuz your computer is lazy, of course. slap it and tell it to shape up.04:00
justjosh!chmod04:00
ubotuI know nothing about chmod - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu04:00
justjoshdammit. how can i set permissions on the firefox directory (and where the hell is it) to allow me to save profiles. it won't even save bookmarks currently.04:04
rr72hey soulrider04:06
soulriderhey hye rr7204:08
soulrideri think im gonna request some Free kubuntu Cd's :P04:08
rr72cool04:08
soulrideri need to convince more people to install it04:08
soulrideror at least try it04:08
soulriderso much better than that M$ crap04:09
rr72i just upgraded to kde 3.4.5 or 5.4 what ever it is04:09
soulrider:O04:09
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soulriderlet me see if i got the latest04:09
Jucatojustjosh: the profiles are supposed to be in ~/.mozilla, which means it should be writeable for you...04:09
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justjoshthere's the /etc/mozilla-firefox directory04:10
valkyriahi everyone04:10
justjoshand then the /usr/lib/mozilla-fox04:10
Jucatojustjosh: I mean /home/[username] /,mozilla04:10
valkyriadoes anybody knows which library I need for playing MP304:10
Jucatoit's a hidden directory in your user's home folder04:10
Jucatovalkyria: libxine-extracodecs from the multiverse repository04:11
Jucato!mp304:11
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats04:11
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justjoshjucato: i've got write permissions to it, but it won't save bookmarks or preference settings.04:12
Jucatohmm... that's strange then04:12
Jucatodid you install firefox from the Ubuntu repositories, or using another method?04:13
justjoshautomatix04:13
justjoshshould i try a reinstall using repositories?04:13
JucatoI'm not familiar how automatix installs Firefox...04:13
Jucatojustjosh: if you can remove it using Automatix, then just install the one from the repositories04:14
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JucatoIt's very much (almost) up to date04:14
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scastbrb04:23
justjoshah, got it. my wife had the bookmarks in a profile other than default.04:25
Jucatooh...04:25
justjoshrun it in konsole w/ -profilemanager switch04:25
justjoshdump default and make the one she created the only one. now everything works04:26
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justjoshstreamtuner is absolutely lovely btw04:27
scastWhat else besides Katapult does Kubuntu load in the default session?04:27
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Jucatoscast: you could check /usr/share/autostart ?04:28
scastLet me check that.04:28
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Jucato!mp3 > valkyria04:29
scastHow do I remove the password from root?04:30
scast(I did sudo passwd)04:30
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scast!root04:31
ubotusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.04:31
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CheeseBurgerManI don't think it lets you leave the root password blank. (even if you have enabled it)04:31
Jucato!multiverse04:31
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ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource04:31
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Jucato!multiverse > valkyria04:31
scastbrb04:32
scast_again_04:33
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simon___Hmmm... how do I get them back? rawr... I don't want to load the things I left open when I closed my session but I do want to load the /usr/share/autostart stuff -_-04:38
Jucatosimon___ or simon__: System Settings > KDE Components > Session Manager > Start with an Empty Session04:39
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simon___Yea, but that does not load /usr/share/autostart stuff04:40
simon___grr04:40
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Jucatoscast: which /usr/share/autostart stuff don't load?04:40
scastUhmm no04:41
Jucatoyou can put your own "startup" programs in /home/[username] /.kde/Autostart04:41
scasthmm wait a second...04:41
scastnow I think I fucked this lawl.04:41
scastWhen I try to open adept or audacity I get a04:42
scastSu returned with an error04:42
scast-_-04:42
CheeseBurgerManWhat error?04:42
CheeseBurgerManTry using kdesu <app>04:42
scastthere is not output besides some x error04:43
scastbrb04:44
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scastWell the stuff in /usr/share/autostart does load. But I mean the stuff like katapult used to load everytime I started my session04:51
Jucatoyou can just link to Katapult in ~/.kde/Autostart04:53
scastI guess.04:53
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Jucatoanyone have any success with media:/ in KDE 3.5.4??04:56
scastI just wonder why did it stop working :\04:56
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Jucatoscast: I'm not sure where sessions save their settings, but my guess would be that Katapult was one of those things not really Autostarted but saved in a session04:57
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scastYea, I guess it's not the best way to do it.04:59
Jucatoprobably. :-D05:00
scastI guess the developers have their reasons to do it like that. I am no one to say how to do something anyway.05:00
Jucatobut putting Kapatult in /usr/share/autostart would mean that it will be loaded always, no matter what user account is used, because it's a system-wide autostart05:01
scastMaybe that's why.05:01
scastbut Katapult is really useful.05:02
Jucatoand you really can't put it in the ~/.kde/Autostart by default, because the user account is created only during installation.05:02
Jucatoscast: yeah, one of my fave apps in KDE is Katapult :-D05:02
scastYes! We got into one of the darkest misteries in the kubuntu world!05:03
Jucatolol05:03
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scastJucato: anyway I already added it to my Autostart. I am just waiting 'till synaptic finish updating (~1 hour downloads left).05:06
Jucatoscast: just checking: how did you add it to Autostart?05:06
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scastI open up konqueror, press ctrl+shift+l, in one view I went to applications:/ and in another to the ~/.kde/Autostart. The rest is history (drag'n'drop ftw)...05:07
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Jucatook. just checking :-D05:08
scastSplitted views + Konqueror + FTP > any ftp program in the world.05:08
Jucatoehehe05:08
Jucatoexactly!05:08
koshbeing able to ftp when you just open the file and have it save back is even better and that can be done trasnparently from the file open/save dialog box05:09
scastkosh: that is great also.05:09
scastAfter hating System Settings now I love it. Before it took me like 6 hours to configure kde to work fine. Now ~15min or less.05:10
kosh6 hours to configure kde, from a fresh install I can do it in about 15 minutes and my setup is very strange compared to default05:10
Jucatoscast: then I have good news for you. System Settings will have a new look come Edgy05:11
scastWell I don't know if 6 hours, but more than 3 rawr.05:11
scastEdgy?05:11
JucatoEdgy Eft, the next major Ubuntu realse05:11
Jucatos/realse/release05:11
scastwhen is that?05:11
scastwhen is going that be released?05:12
scast6 months?05:12
Jucatocoming October of this year (supposedly)05:12
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Hiryuhas eclipse just decided to break on anyone else?05:12
soulriderHiryu: yes05:12
soulrideri could never really uinstalle clipse fromt he repos05:12
soulrideronly once, adn then it dissappeared05:12
soulrideri ahd to dl it from the site05:13
soulriderand palce it on my home folder for it to work05:13
Hiryuthe eclipse from apt doesn't work with gjc or sun's jdk, however, if I download it manually and extract it and run it from my $HOME, it's fine05:13
Hiryuhaha05:13
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Hiryuyeh05:13
Hiryuprecisely05:13
Hiryuthat's far better than nothing05:13
soulriderwell05:13
soulrideri insatlled it ocne with the repos05:13
soulriderand it worked!05:13
soulriderbut it just dissappeared05:13
Hiryubut the eclipse I had from apt was working like 2 days ago (that was the last time I used it anyway)05:13
soulrideryea05:13
soulriderbesides, wclipse in linux works so much better than in windows05:14
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Hiryusoulrider: I dunno about that, seems the same. Although it's faster in Windows because SWT sucks in anything but windows05:14
Hiryupeople say how great SWT is and how fast it is... it's only fast in windows05:14
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soulriderwell, ive felt it was much faster here05:15
miyakohi, I'm having a bit of trouble installing Kubuntu.  When I try to edit the partition table, I create the root partition, then I try to create another partition but the installer goes strait into trying to finalize the partition table.05:15
soulriderat least loading times05:15
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soulridermind you, i still dont know how to make non console apps :P05:15
Hiryuok, gotta go05:17
soulriderkk05:17
soulridersee ya05:17
anonymeeeecups admin isn't letting me add a printer, not accepting my username and password05:17
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Jucatoanyone else having problems with media:/ in the new KDE 3.5.4?05:18
miyakoanyone have any ideas?05:18
Dark_Oppressorhow do i tell apt-get to stop downloading for now and give me back shell?05:18
soulriderJucato: i kind of have05:18
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JucatoDark_Oppressor: Ctrl+C will abruptly stop apt-get.05:18
soulriderit will show me my linux drive, a FAT 32 partition but it wont show me my NTFS partitions05:18
Jucatobut you can also just open a new session in Konsole if you need to do something else while apt-get is running05:19
Dark_OppressorJucato: thanks05:19
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Jucatosoulrider: is the NTFS mounted during boot? my problem is that partitions that are unmounted at startup don't appear in media:/05:20
soulridernot sure05:20
soulriderim  using that ntfs-3g driver05:20
soulrideri think thetre not mounted at boot05:20
scastI am reading about Edgy... hmmm, so kubuntu users are getting Compiz as the default windeco?05:21
soulriderlink ?05:21
Jucatoscast: I don't think so05:21
abattoirscast: huh? compiz a windeco?05:21
XVampireXscast: KDE4 will have a compositor in kwin05:21
scastas the window manager whatever that is caled.05:21
Jucatoit just means that a more recent beta of Compiz could be downloaded/installed05:22
scastcalled.05:22
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Jucatoxgl/compiz is already available in Dapper, but an older version05:22
JucatoThings I'm looking forward to Edgy: better USplash image capablities and new System Settings layout05:22
XVampireXI don't like version freeze05:22
JucatoI wish that they could make System Settings customizable or at least have a small customizable version where you can just put your "most used" control modules05:23
scast;o05:23
miyakook, now the installer just crashed :(05:23
miyakomaybe I should just go back and try suse :(05:24
chotchki_hey guys i need a newer version of sane than is currently availible (1.0.18 instead of 1.0.17) can anyone tell me how to build it? i have tried to build a deb but i keep running into issues05:24
soulriderJucato: link to what you were reading?05:24
abattoirmiyako: where did it exactly crash?05:24
scastXVampireX: i know there is somework done in making a compositor manager in kwin, but kde 4 is scheduled to december/early 200705:24
miyakoabattoir: during editing the parition table05:24
Jucatowhich one? the USplash or the System Settings changes?05:24
scastJucato: both rawr.05:24
Jucatoehehe05:24
Jucatowait let me look it up05:24
XVampireXscast: Yeah, tech preview in october05:24
XVampireXthis year05:24
abattoirmiyako: what is your disk layout?05:25
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JucatoXVampireX: Edgy will be released in october, not tech preview, right?05:25
miyakoabattoir: right now I have an SATA drive that is in 3 partitions, and an ATA drive at /dev/hdac plugged into an IDE Controller/RAID card.05:26
miyakoI was attempting to edit the /dev/sda partition when it crashed.05:26
JucatoSystem Settings Usability changes: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSystemSettingsUsability05:26
Jucatolatest and greatest in Edgy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue8 (scroll down a bit :-D )05:26
abattoirmiyako: hmmm... partitioning 'always' crashes(in the installer) ?05:27
abattoirmiyako: or is this the first time you are trying?05:27
miyakoabattoir: yes, I've tried it 3 times05:27
miyakoand it's reproducable05:27
soulriderthanks05:27
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Jucatoscast: the System Settings link has photos05:28
miyakoif it would be helpful, I can reproduce the crash and then paste the exact error05:28
soulrideri wonder if the launch of vista will be a total failure05:28
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Jucatosoulrider: aren't you wondering when exactly Vista will really be released? @_@05:28
XVampireXjucato: Edgy will have not KDE4 no matter, what, too early, heh05:29
soulriderlol05:29
abattoirmiyako: that might be helpful, could you pastebin all the three files the installer mentions during the crash?05:29
JucatoXVampireX: oh, were you talking about a tech preview for KDE 4? I was talking about Edgy Eft being released in October05:29
XVampireXHeh05:29
XVampireXYeah, was talking about KDE405:29
miyakoyes, I'll do that right now05:29
Jucatosorry bout that XVampireX05:30
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XVampireXnp05:30
Jucatobut I'm definitely going to get that tech preview05:30
XVampireXhaha05:30
XVampireXNah, I'll just watch previews05:30
abattoirmiyako: /var/log/installer/syslog /var/log/partman(<--not sure, but this is the important one) var05:30
XVampireXI'll wait for the final release05:30
Jucatothe excitement is making me wet in my pants :-D05:30
XVampireXOr at least beta05:30
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JucatoI wonder which distro is going to get distribute it first?05:30
XVampireXJucato: I'm not excited like that... but it does sound extremely good05:31
XVampireXMost likely Kubuntu05:31
XVampireXDue to release cycle05:31
Dark_Oppressoris there a way to make pressing the middle mouse button function like in windows?(it makes a circle type thing, and then moving the mouse around scrolls)05:31
XVampireXThough maybe smaller distros too05:32
rus1Question: When I set up the action in system settings for my laptop to suspend to ram when I close the lid it works great. How can I make it suspend to ram without closing the lid?05:32
Jucatohmm.. is it allowed to have some "controversial" discussions/debates in her05:32
miyakoabattoir: /var/log/installer/syslog is really long05:32
JucatoDark_Oppressor: yes05:32
miyakodo you really want me to pastebin the whole thing, or just a specific part of it05:32
JucatoDark_Oppressor: in Konqueror or in Firefox?05:32
Dark_OppressorJucato, firefox05:32
Jucatowait let me launch it05:32
abattoirmiyako: hmm... it wouldnt hurt would it? :P The more info the better05:32
Dark_Oppressoralthough konquerer would be nice too05:32
abattoir!pastebin05:32
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)05:32
XVampireXJucato: It's allowed, sometimes... when there's no tech support but you can bet on #ubuntu-offtopic or #kubuntu-offtopic though there are more people in ubuntu-offtopic05:33
JucatoEdit > Preferences > Advanced options > check "Use Autoscrolling"05:33
JucatoDark_Oppressor: Edit > Preferences > Advanced options > check "Use Autoscrolling"05:33
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JucatoXVampireX: I mean,a controversial discussion related to Kubuntu05:34
miyakohttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19911 there is the first one (/etc/syslog/installer/syslog I think)05:34
JucatoDark_Oppressor: that behavior is default in Konqueror05:34
XVampireXJucato: same thing05:34
Dark_OppressorJucato: thanks, awesome05:34
Jucatooh...05:35
HobbseeJucato: ah yeah.  your opinion is that we should use the kde defaults?05:35
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JucatoHobbsee: huh?05:35
miyakohttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19912 there is the second one (/var/log/syslog)05:35
abattoirmiyako: are you trying to partition/resize an ntfs drive?05:35
HobbseeJucato: sorry, what was the contraversial discussion related to kubuntu?05:35
HobbseeJucato: i'd assumed that related to your next comment05:35
HobbseeXVampireX: we might get snapshots for testing of kde 4, maybe.  we'll see.05:36
Jucatonevermind... don't want to get into trouble, since I'm new here. ^_^05:36
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abattoirHobbsee: nope, that was his answer to another question :)05:36
miyakoabattoir: yes, can I not do that?05:36
XVampireXHobbsee: You're one of the Kubuntu developers? :P05:36
HobbseeXVampireX: yes05:36
Hobbseeabattoir: ah right.05:36
XVampireXheh05:36
XVampireXNeat05:36
Jucatowow cool05:36
abattoirmiyako: no, afaik, ntfs write, and hence, its partitioning is not supported05:36
Hobbseeabattoir: you're going to be at thursday's meeting, and know of the change in date?05:36
abattoirHobbsee: (your) Thursday?05:37
Hobbseeabattoir: no, yours.  my friday morning05:37
miyakoabattoir: ah, alright.  Well no windows for me I guess, I figgured since I had to pay the windows tax on this machine I might as well keep it around in a small partition just in case.05:37
HobbseeThe next meeting is planned for Thursday August 10, at 21UTC, in the usual05:37
Hobbseechannel.05:37
Hobbseeabattoir: ^05:37
scast38min left *eek*05:37
JucatoI was actually going to ask about the Ubuntu development cycle in relation to KDE releases... but don't want to get in hot water...05:37
abattoirmiyako: you could use one of those demo versions of windows partitioning tools to resize your ntfs partition05:37
abattoirHobbsee: cool, i'll be there ;)05:38
Jucatooh Hobbsee, since you're a Kubuntu dev: is there something wrong with media:/ in KDE 3.5.4?05:38
abattoir* :)05:38
XVampireXI love the idea of phonon/solid/plasma05:38
HobbseeJucato: quite likely.  there's usually something wrong with that.05:38
miyakoabattoir: honestly, I don't care that much.  Linux has been my only OS for years, I don't need windows, just thought that if it was possible I might try keeping it around just in case.  It probably would have just taken up HD space anyway.05:38
JucatoGreat... KDE 3.5.4 has solved some of my problems, but added this one. :-D05:38
HobbseeJucato: they talked a couple of times about delaying kubuntu by a few weeks each release.  i dont think they were planning to delay kubuntu for kde4 or something05:38
Hobbseeit gets to be a bit of a pain if kubuntu releases differently from ubuntu.05:39
abattoirmiyako: aah, then its cool :)05:39
miyakoI'm just comming from the SuSE/RedHat world, so kubuntu is completely new to me.05:39
miyakoSuSE supported resizing NTFS partitions (experimentally) so I thought kubuntu might.05:39
XVampireXHobbsee: make sure to get new program versions in edgy >_< For example mplayer pre8 or whatever it was05:39
scastHobbsee: are you a kubuntu developer?05:39
JucatoHobbsee: I see. I was wondering about this since I got into a discussion with jsgotangco about why KDE upgrades aren't available in the Ubuntu repos.05:39
HobbseeJucato: what about media:/?05:39
HobbseeJucato: understand the concept of time based releases, and feature freeze?05:40
Hobbseescast: yes.05:40
XVampireXI hate feature freeze05:40
XVampireXand version freeze05:40
JucatoHobbsee: about media:/ - partitions that are not mounted at startup don't show up in media:/05:40
HobbseeXVampireX: bleh.  i'm not sure what's happening with that particular one, if you're interested, make sure it happens.05:40
HobbseeJucato: ahhh...useful of it.  does /media/ work instead?05:40
unix_infideldoes anyone here have a logitech cordless mouse and keyboard and gotten it to work in linux?05:40
HobbseeJucato: i think that problem relates to lots of kde releases, for some weird and warped reason.05:41
JucatoHobbsee: yes. when I mount it manually (after starting up), they can be accessed through /media/, but still don't show in media:/05:41
miyakoabattoir: since I'm going to erase the entire drive, does auto partitioning work sanely, or should I do it manually?05:41
HobbseeJucato: yeah :(05:41
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Hobbseeis05:41
XVampireXHobbsee: I'd need to figure out how to make a package that would most likely work on all computers then05:41
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Hobbseeunix_infidel: logitech make a lot of mice and keyboards :P05:41
scastHobbsee: I was talking with Jucato about when I changed the session management option to start with a new empty session it won't load  katapult anymore by default. We got to the conclussion that it can't add to /usr/share/autostart or add it in installation time to ~/.kde/Autostart. Are we right?05:41
JucatoHobbsee: oh, so this is a Kubuntu-KDE 3.5.4 bug?05:41
HobbseeXVampireX: grab the source, upgrade it.05:42
unix_infidelHobbsee: that the question.05:42
XVampireXHobbsee: Don't worry, I'll get to it05:42
HobbseeJucato: not sure.  i've a feeling that it could be.05:42
Jucatolol. announce that you're a dev and get flooded with questions. sorry about that...05:42
unix_infidelwhat i asked was if anyone had gotten their WIRELESS keyboads and mice (RF not BT)05:42
unix_infidelto work in linux05:42
abattoirmiyako: from what i've heard, its the best of the methods, but I, for one, wouldnt give up my entire hd to one os, and would partition it according to my needs...05:42
unix_infidel(Kubuntu)05:42
miyakoyeah, it looks like it just uses / for one big partition05:42
Hobbseeunix_infidel: ahhh...you didnt add the wireless bit in there that i could see.  check in !hardware and see if someone's got it listed, or use google, i guess05:43
abattoirmiyako: also avoid xfs... xfs and grub dont like to co-exist05:43
miyakoI want to put /home on a seperate partition from / so that if I install a different distro I don't have to spend years backing up.05:43
Hawkwindunix_infidel: Mine works by default05:43
Hobbseescast: yes, you're right.05:43
HobbseeJucato: hehe, true.  my hostmask kinda does that too.05:43
unix_infidelHawkwind: RF?05:43
Hawkwindunix_infidel: RF ?05:43
abattoirmiyako: yes, that's wise :)05:43
Jucatoscast: I'm not sure, but Kix also isn't started anymore when you start from an empty session05:43
Hobbseemiyako: smart move.  i do that.05:43
unix_infidelHawkwind: radio not bluetooth.05:43
Hawkwindunix_infidel: Oh, yes05:43
unix_infidelit wirelessly connects to a reciever.05:43
miyakoof course I'm never sure how big to make /05:43
HawkwindI don't use bluetooth anything05:43
scastHobbsee: Besides katapult, what else the default session loads?05:43
Jucatomiyako: 10GB for / is more than enough IMHO05:44
Hawkwindabattoir: Good evening05:44
Jucatoscast: Katapult and KMix I think05:44
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Hobbseescast: only the absolute essential services for kde to run?  "empty" really does mean that05:44
abattoirHawkwind: hi :)05:44
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HobbseeJucato: kmix doesnt auto load in an empty session.05:44
unix_infidelLOL05:44
unix_infidelabattoir=the slaughterhouse.05:44
scastrawr05:44
miyakook, 20GB /, 2GB /swap, how big should /boot be?  only needs to be like 20 megs or so doesn't it?05:44
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abattoirunix_infidel: :)05:45
Dark_Oppressorive installed nvidia-glx and run nvidia-xconfig, but only one of my two monitors is being detected, therefore i cant use twinview, do i need to edit xorg.conf in some way to get my other monitor to be seen?05:45
unix_infidelthat's awesome.05:45
Hobbseemiyako: i dotn bother with a separate /boot05:45
scastHobbsee: not in the empty session. The default session. I mean the session you got the first time you log on after install...05:45
abattoirmiyako: /boot would be a good idea if you want xfs05:45
miyakook, so I just need like 20GB /, 2GB /swap and then the rest for /home05:45
unix_infideli just remembered that from like 8th grade vocab ;P05:45
miyakoI'm just going to use EXT305:45
Jucatomiyako: 2GB swap? might be a tad too much. how much RAM do you have?05:45
Hawkwindmiyako: Most people don't use /boot, only old school linux users, like myself :P05:45
Hobbseescast: ohh...yeah.  right.  cant remember i got the last one of them.05:45
abattoirmiyako: ok, then /boot isnt necesary05:45
miyakoJucato: I have 2GB of ram05:45
Jucatomiyako: then you wouldn't need that much swap05:46
Hawkwindmiyako: I use /boot on ReiserFS and I only make it like 200MB at the very most05:46
miyakoand /swap should be between 1x and 2x the amount of ram shouldnt it?05:46
scastHobbsee: oh well. Fine.05:46
abattoirunix_infidel: from french class? ;)05:46
Hawkwindmiyako: If you have 2GB of ram, 512MB of swap is more than enough05:46
miyakoyeah, I'm old school, I dunno how to do stuff on these new fangled linux distros lol05:46
Hobbseescast: ie, "i dont know" :P05:46
Jucatomiyako: I think that principle only applies if you have lower than 512MB RAM05:46
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scastHobbsee: hahaha, it's ok :-)05:46
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Hawkwindmiyako: I have 2GB of RAM in this box and only have 512MB of /swap and it never gets touched05:47
scastHobbsee: katapult and kmix are the only ones you can remember?05:47
Jucatoscast: those are the only one "I" can remember05:47
Jucato:p05:47
Hobbseescast: more that i dont remember any of them :P05:47
scast^^05:47
scastwell, whatever, empty session > *05:47
miyakoyeah, but I do a lot of heavy 3D rendering which is a major ram hog05:47
scastrawr05:47
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Jucatomiyako:  then probably 1GB swap would be enough. You could always use a swap file later if you need more05:48
miyakoyeah05:48
Tm_Twell, larger swap partition maybe doesn't do harm either05:48
Jucatomiyako: any reason you would need a 20GB / partition?05:49
scastdo I need to stop kde to update it?05:49
JucatoTm_T: except that it's easier to add a swap file later on than to resize partitions :-D05:49
Jucatoscast: nope05:49
miyakoJucato: not specifically, but I have a lot of space so i might as well I guess05:49
Tm_TJucato: well, yeah if you already done partitioning ;)05:49
Jucatomiyako: well, wouldn't you want that space to be in your /home instead? :-D05:50
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scast40 packages left ^^05:50
Tm_Tyeah, I have that much stuff installed etc05:50
miyakoJucato: if 20GB is going to make a difference, then I will probably be getting another HD anyway ;)05:50
Jucatoscast: just log out and log back in to make some changes take effect. just some05:50
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Jucatomiyako: ehehe good point. I just prefer to go the minimalistic route. :-D05:51
miyakoI'm a maximalist05:51
Jucatoanyway, you could also just "steal" some space from / later on if you need it05:51
Tm_Tmr aseigo :)05:51
Jucatothe magic of symlinks and chmod05:51
miyakogoing to put another 2GB of ram in this machine tomorrow ^_^05:51
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Jucatomiyako: wow!05:51
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Tm_Tmiyako: oh boy, I have only one gig ram and that's just not enough :(05:52
JucatoI wish I had that much RAM...05:52
miyakoI was on a slow ram starved box for long enough05:52
miyakoI'm tired of waiting 30+ hours on renders, while my machine crawls and is useless for anything05:52
scastI have 384mb. I have eclipse always open with a firefox windows with 15 tabs and I am more than fine!05:52
JucatoI've been using a box with 128MB RAM for almost 3 years (2002-2004)05:52
Tm_TI hate when celestia hogs over 3 G mem, filling my swap05:53
Jucatothen 256MB for another 2 years...05:53
miyakowent from a 1.9gz with 512 megs of ram to a dual core 3gz with 2 gigs of ram now, another 2 tomorrow so 4 gigs of ram05:53
Jucatooh crap...05:53
Jucatodidn't notice the time05:53
Jucatosee you guys later!05:53
scastI want a Core 2 Duo05:53
Jucatobye!05:53
scastJucato: cya05:53
miyakobye Jucato05:53
Tm_Tmiyako: sounds good base for heavy rendering etc05:53
scasttake care.05:53
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miyakoyeah, now if I could only find a way to make money rendering instead of it just being a money sink lol05:54
Tm_Thaha05:54
Tm_Tmiyako: for fun use of that powerhouse, play around with celestia and large textures ;)05:54
Tm_Tyou might find a way to make that swap :p05:55
miyakoI'm going to try to see how fast I can run: while(true) fork();05:55
miyakolol05:55
Tm_Thehe05:55
scastmake your bets. I made a sources.list with the source-o-matic website. I added *all* the repositories... How long this install last before breaking or needing a reinstall?05:55
Tm_TI just kill my cpu with kde4 ->05:55
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abattoirTm_T: ugh.... really?05:56
Tm_Tyeah05:56
abattoirTm_T: 'morning, btw :)05:56
miyakoI was thinking of playing around with KDE4, plasma seems nice05:56
Tm_Tabattoir: morning :)05:56
Tm_Taseigo: btw is there kscd replacement already?05:57
HawkwindLOL @ killing my system with KDE405:57
HawkwindTm_T: You must be bored05:57
Tm_THawkwind: system is different than cpu05:57
miyakook, another quick question.05:57
HawkwindTm_T: Hah!  I did read that wrong :P05:57
Tm_T;)05:57
Tm_Tmiyako: make it really fast05:58
miyakoRunning from the LiveCD with nothing open except the installer, a terminal, and Konversation, nothing should be using my hard drive, right?05:58
aseigoTm_T: not tha ti know of =)05:58
scastI like to open 30 tabs in firefox, that kills my system/cpu whatever.05:58
abattoirmiyako: the installer(obv.) :P05:58
miyakowell, other than that05:58
Tm_Taseigo: ok, just a bit interested about situation, I hope there will be some light solution (nothing like "use amarok")05:58
abattoirmiyako: it shouldnt no... unmount it if you want05:58
scastmiyako: just make sure you didnt mount any hard drive partition05:58
scastrawr05:58
miyakoin other words, I can say yes to the stern warning about making sure that all partitions are umounted05:58
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miyakoso am i going to have to say goodbye while the installer runs?05:59
abattoirmiyako: hmm, you are in the same session as the one where the crash ocurred?05:59
miyakoabattoir: yes05:59
abattoirmiyako: anyways, you have no data to lose... so no problem05:59
abattoirmiyako: could you do me a favour? :P06:00
HawkwindAnd even if you did................Just kidding :P06:00
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abattoirhehe06:00
miyakoabattoir: what?06:00
abattoirmiyako: when the partitioner gives you that warning message, could you take a prntscreen and pastebin it?06:01
abattoirmiyako: if its not too much of a trouble?06:01
miyakowhich warning message?06:01
scast20 packages left06:01
abattoirmiyako: about data being lost... the grammatically incorrect one06:01
scast*eek*06:01
abattoirmiyako: nvm, you carry on...06:01
miyakoah, sorry, I already made sure everything was umounted, then clicked ok and wrote the partition table06:01
abattoirmiyako: no problem, i just thought of something else... thanks anyways :)06:02
miyakoI dunno why a 20gb / partition seems small...it just does06:02
Hawkwindabattoir: Heh.  What are you going to do with the screenshot ?06:02
miyakoah well06:03
Hawkwindmiyako: I only have 26GB for my / at the moment.  And I have 650GB+ of hdd space in this box06:03
scastmiyako: it is small.06:03
abattoirHawkwind: there are some mistakes in the partitioning warning dialog... but i just realised it was from qt parted, and i could easily get those by installing qt parted... but to answer your question, to show the devs the msg, so it could be patched, if possible.06:04
Hawkwindabattoir: Ahhh, gotcha06:04
rus1Question: When I set up the behavior in system settings to suspend to RAM when I close my laptop lid, it works great. How can I tell it to suspend to RAM without closing the lid?06:04
miyakoscast: It seems so, but I can't imagine how I would have 20GB worth of software installed, since everything else is going to live in /home06:04
miyakoand most stuff I install I install to ~/bin anyway06:04
scastwhy not a huge / ?06:05
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miyakoscast: because with / and /home being seperate partitions, I can upgrade or change distros without ever having to worry about backing up and restoring my personal files06:05
scastuhmm you are right.06:06
Hawkwindmiyako: Hopefully :)06:06
miyakowell, that's why I backup anyway06:06
miyakohopefully I won't have to USE the backups06:06
miyakoare nvidias binary drivers in any sort of repository, or do I need to get them off the nvidia website?06:07
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scastmiyako: around 18k06:08
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Hawkwindmiyako: You can apt-get install them from the repos06:10
Hawkwind!nvidia > miyako06:10
unix_infidelhttp://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/2006/07/about-ubuntu-christian-edition.html06:10
unix_infidelaye caramba!06:10
HawkwindOld news :P06:11
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babagjust installed kubuntu 6.0.6 and tried right off to play an xvid avi.06:13
babagno picture in kaffeine.06:13
babagdo i need to install something no directly included for xvid playback?06:13
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rus1babag: I know this isn't quite what you're going for, but I would try VLC06:15
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babagrus1: i bet that's something i have to install.06:16
rus1Yes.06:16
babagfrom the cd?06:16
unix_infidelbabag: or you can just install the xvid codecs.06:16
unix_infidellike you would from windows.06:16
babagnew to this from mandriva.06:16
rus1that's a better solution, but I can't tell you how to do that.06:16
babagdifferent packages?06:16
unix_infidelbabag: google xvid and ubuntu06:17
babagtrying that06:17
miyakook, installation is complete, I'll be back after a reboot into the installed system.06:17
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Hawkwindbabag: Welcome!  Nice to see you making the change too :)06:21
soulrider!mds06:21
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babaghey hawkwind!06:24
babagtrying things out for the first time.06:24
Hawkwindbabag: Good good.  I made the switch about 1 1/2 months ago now.  I won't go back to Mandriva.  Kubuntu is too darn nice :)06:25
Hawkwindbabag: And you know me, I used Mandriva for 4 1/2+ years and was very dedicated to it06:26
babagHawkwind: very dedicated. helped me out plenty.06:27
babagi just installed kubuntu. figured i was used to kde and hardly a power user.06:28
Hawkwindbabag: Not sure if you ever used my SoS repo for Mandriva, but I'm now setting up a Ubuntu SoS repo :)06:28
babagyay06:28
babagSoS was great for mandriva06:29
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babagstill using it on office box06:29
babag*boxes06:29
Hawkwindbabag: I currently have an E17 SoS repo for Kubuntu :)06:29
babagE17?06:29
JucatoEnlightenment 17...06:30
HawkwindEnlightenment-DR1706:30
babagahh06:30
HawkwindThe only window manager I use :P06:30
JucatoI love E17's Elpanel (is that the correct name?)06:30
babagnever could get enlightenment to function with the hardware on my mandriva06:30
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miyakohmm, does the default install not install or configure a boot loader?06:31
babagkubuntu box is not networked. standalone.06:31
Jucatomiyako: are you using the Desktop CD?06:31
miyakoJucato: yes06:31
abattoirmiyako: it should've installed grub06:31
Jucatomiyako: it installs the bootloader06:31
miyakowell, it said installation was complete06:31
babagxvid setup i'm seeing is for downloading and installing via network.06:31
miyakoI rebooted06:31
miyakoand nothing06:31
Jucatohmm...06:32
miyakothen i tried to use boot from CD from the LiveCD06:32
miyakoalso nothing06:32
Jucatoit's supposed to install it automatically06:32
abattoirmiyako: installed to mbr(not sure if it gives you that option)06:32
abattoir??06:32
miyakoit didn't come up with any options for that06:32
Jucatono, it won't give any options06:32
miyakoit never asked me anything related to booting06:32
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Jucatoit directly installs GRUB to MBR06:32
miyakothat's why I wasn't sure it if even installed one06:32
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Jucatomiyako: what do you see on your screen when you reboot?06:32
miyakowell, the bios does it's thing06:33
miyakothen I get a black screen06:33
miyakowith a blinking _ in th upper left corner06:33
Jucatohmm....06:33
Jucatomaybe GRUB wasn't installed properly? do you only have 1 hard disk?06:33
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miyakomaybe I should try reinstalling and using the default partition setup?06:33
babagis there a way i can download a package and burn it to cd for installation on the standalone box?06:34
miyakoI have an SATA hard drive, and then an IDE hard drive connected to an IDE controller/RAID card06:34
Jucatoooh... aseigo is here...06:34
aseigoJucato: somewhat =)06:34
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Jucatolol06:35
abattoirbabag: yes, its possible, look at 'apt-cdrom' , 'man apt-cdrom' should give you more info06:35
Jucatomiyako: on which drive did you install Kubuntu? and are you using RAID?06:35
miyakoI'm not using RAID, and I installed it on /dev/sda06:35
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Jucatoand /dev/sda is the primary master?06:36
miyakoyes06:36
babagthanks. have to go to the other box for that. bbl06:36
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_1BhGetting error in Kontact newreader: 'Library files for "libknodepart.la" not found in paths.'06:37
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Jucatohmm...06:37
Robososis it normaly that a installation from a software with adept take long time?06:37
hadsHey all, I just upgraded to 3.5.4 (Kubuntu packages) and I have one minor issue: I have dual screens, new windows used to open on the screen where I had the cursor, this doesn't appear to be the case anymore. Can anyone tell me if this is a configration problem or a bug? Or just confirm the issue?06:38
JucatoRobosos: what are you trying to install?06:38
Robosospppstatus06:38
JucatoI don't think it should be taking that long.06:39
Jucatowhat's Adept saying? (it's supposed to be displaying something like a terminal within the Adept window)06:39
Robososnothing06:39
Jucatostrange...06:40
Robososno terminal window or so06:40
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Jucatowb abattoir06:40
abattoirthanks, Jucato :)06:40
JucatoRobosos, it's not really a terminal window, but more like lines of text showing you that it's unpacking, installing, or setting up06:41
Robososonly: status: not installed, Action:install06:41
JucatoRobosos: err... click on Preview Changes06:41
JucatoRobosos: make sure nothing is going to be removed06:41
JucatoRobosos: then click on Apply Changes06:41
Jucatoabattoir: any experience in installing Kubuntu on SATA (no RAID)? miyako seems to have some problems with GRUB06:42
Robososall right...06:42
Robososthx06:43
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JucatoRobosos: sure. no problem06:43
abattoirJucato, miyako: hmm no, i've heard cases of it both working and not working...06:43
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miyakoI'm trying to reinstall with the default partition setup to see if that might help06:44
Jucatodoes anyone here have a link or document explaining the relation of Ubuntu/Kubuntu releases with KDE releases, specifically with regards to updates?06:44
Jucatomiyako: er... you're reinstalling now?06:44
miyakoJucato: yeah06:44
miyakowhy, should I have waited?06:44
abattoirmiyako: but tbh, the live cd installer has not yet evolved into something advanced... for RAID/LVM, you'd definitely be better off using the text-installer, for now06:44
Jucatomiyako: oh ok. we could have tried reinstalling grub. but I  can't find the link for it anyway06:44
Jucatoabattoir: miyako's not using RAID, but is using SATA06:45
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abattoirJucato: i thought he said RAID06:45
abattoirmust be my mistake, then.06:45
Jucatoabattoir: I said "SATA (no RAID)"06:45
Jucato:-D06:45
miyakoI have an IDE controller that does RAID, but I don't actually have a RAID and I'm trying to install and boot to a plain SATA drive plugged into the motherboard06:46
abattoirJucato: ok, my mistake then... anyways 'man grub-install' might give you more info..06:46
Jucatook. the reason why I was asking is because the Desktop CD installer doesn't do RAID. you need the alternate install CD for that06:47
abattoiror rather, miyako06:47
miyakowell, if this doesn't work I'll try the alternate installer06:47
abattoirmiyako: hmm, you'd need to download the alternate-cd for that06:47
miyakoyeah06:48
miyakohmm06:48
Robososi have allready installed the nvidia-glx pack for my geforce 2 gts.06:48
Jucatoand the ALternate CD is text based :-D06:48
Robososafter the comand06:48
Robosossudo nvidia-glx-config enable06:48
abattoirmiyako: that'd give you more control over the boot loader too... and is more interactive...06:48
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miyakoI was having trouble earlier getting my iBook to properly burn an ISO, ended up booting into Windows to burn this ISO, but now I don't have windows installed anymore.06:49
Robososthe opengl seems not to work...06:49
JucatoRobosos: you need to restart the X server to apply the changes06:49
miyakowish I knew where my Suse 10 cds were, I could try that06:49
JucatoRobosos: but before you do that, might I ask06:49
tulgaI installed slapd.  but I want install with crypt. howto update?06:49
Robososi have do it, but i don't work06:49
Robosos*it06:49
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JucatoRobosos: did you install the correct linux-restricted-modules for your kernel version?06:50
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Robososi belief not...06:50
Robososhow can i do this?06:50
unix_infidelHawkwind: how a bout a deb :P06:51
unix_infidellol06:51
JucatoRobosos: open up Adept and look for the packages starting with "linux-restricted-modules"06:51
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Jucatotake note of the version, then compare it to the package "linux-image-xxxxx"06:51
miyakook, going to try another reboot06:52
Jucatoso if you have linux-image-2.6.15-26-xxx (386, 486, etc), then you should also have linux-image-2.6.15-26-xxx06:52
Robososhow can i get the kernel version?06:52
JucatoRobosos: in Konsole type: uname -r06:52
Hawkwindunix_infidel: It builds the debs for you06:56
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Hawkwindunix_infidel: SoS does have an E17 repo, plus a contrib repo that currently contains the latest xchat06:57
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Robososopengl don't work :(07:03
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miyakook, still no dice07:04
miyakobut I've been playing around with it a bit07:04
miyako /dev/sda doesn't exist in the installed partition07:05
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Robososi have install the linux-restricted-modules07:05
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Robososand the have i execute the comand07:06
Robosossudo nvidia-glx-config enable07:06
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Robososbut after a restart it don't work07:06
JucatoRobosos: how about the command "nvidia-xconfig"?? how are you testing OpenGL?07:07
Jucatomiyako: sorry I couldn't help. Not much of a SATA user.07:08
Jucatomiyako: have you tried searching the Ubuntuforums?07:08
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Robososi test opengl with the opengl-screensaver07:08
Jucatohmm... how about testing it with this command: glxgears07:09
Robososcommand not found...07:09
Jucatowhich command was not found?07:09
Robososnvidia-xconfig07:10
Jucatooh.07:10
miyakook, I found a work around, which says that /boot should be made a seperate partition as the first partitino on the hard disk07:11
miyakohow big should /boot be?07:11
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Tm_Tno idea07:11
Jucatomiyako: AFAIK, definitely less than 1GB...07:12
XVampireXkopete themes = ftw07:12
Tm_TXVampireX: 0.12 series? ;)07:12
XVampireXyeah07:12
Tm_Tyeah, can't hate it07:12
Jucatoum... what does FTW mean?07:12
XVampireXfor the win07:12
Jucatoooh07:12
Jucatook.. thought it was some @#@$* word07:12
Jucato:-D07:12
Tm_TXVampireX: what's your favourite from defaults?07:13
XVampireXClear07:13
Tm_TJucato: shush!07:13
Tm_TXVampireX: ...you're sure you don't mean hacker? ;)07:13
XVampireXI'm sure07:13
Tm_Tdamn you07:13
Robososwhat can i do yet to install the dispay driver corect?07:13
XVampireXright now using glossyk07:13
XVampireXAre these themes using something like XML?07:14
Tm_TXVampireX: xhtml+css (and javascript if you allow it)07:14
XVampireXOh, hehe07:14
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Tm_Tbut js is totally different story ;)07:14
XVampireXI wish kopete would have jingle plugin07:15
Tm_TXVampireX: it does07:15
XVampireXThe one I installed from kubuntu repositories (kde3.5.4) doesn't have jingle07:15
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Tm_Twell, because kubuntu have too new ortp07:16
XVampireXah, hehe07:16
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Tm_Tso, you have to compile libortp 0.71(?) yourself and then compile kopete07:16
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XVampireXyup, hehe07:16
XVampireXI'd just somehow get Psi jingle sometime07:17
Tm_Twith --enable-jingle07:17
Robososhow can i check where was anything going wrong by the installation of the nvidia-driver?07:17
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Tm_TXVampireX: just compile kopete from svn ;)07:17
XVampireXThey need a roadmap07:17
Tm_TRobosos: hmm, does /var/log/Xorg.0.log has any error lines?07:18
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Tm_TXVampireX: what you mean?07:18
XVampireXTm_T: They don't have roadmaps... can't drool over new features :(07:18
XVampireXI wonder what KDE4 kopete would bring07:18
Tm_TXVampireX: ah, sorry, we can't tell what we have in KDE4 yet ;)07:18
Jucatodoes anyone here have a link or document explaining the relation of Ubuntu/Kubuntu releases with KDE releases, specifically with regards to updates?07:19
XVampireXWait07:19
Tm_TXVampireX: s/have/will have/ ;-P07:19
XVampireXTm_T: let me guess, you're the Kopete developer?07:19
XVampireXor KDE?07:19
Tm_TXVampireX: well, I have done something yes07:19
Tm_Tand trying to :p07:19
XVampireX:D07:20
Tm_TXVampireX: in kopete there's hacker chat style, that "status message" icon and, hmm, something I already forgot07:20
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Robososyes : (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)07:20
Tm_TRobosos: there you go07:21
XVampireXI dunno07:21
Tm_Tthen I do testing and end user support07:21
Robososhow can i install the driver?07:21
Tm_TRobosos: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx07:21
Robososit's allready installed :(07:22
Tm_Thmm07:22
XVampireXand then in /etc/X11/xorg.conf07:22
XVampireXgo to Driver section07:22
JucatoRobosos: try it again, something may have gone wrong with the install07:22
XVampireXand if you see "nv"07:22
XVampireXchange that to "nvidia"07:23
XVampireXthen restart X and if you see nvidia logo you have it installed correctly07:23
XVampireXrestart X = ctrl+alt+backspace07:23
XVampireXThough the steps could be reduced... ubuntu should strive for that07:24
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Raubkopiererwer da?07:25
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Tm_TRaubkopierer: j07:25
Robosostagchen07:25
Tm_TRobosos: works now?07:26
XVampireX!german07:26
ubotuI know nothing about german - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu07:26
JucatoXVampireX: I noticed that most Debian-based distros lack GUI front-ends to some of those complicated settings07:26
Robososi must restart the display...07:26
XVampireXJucato: Debian was designed for that :P07:26
JucatoFor example: PPPoE and changing display drivers (except MEPIS)07:26
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XVampireXRobosos: go ahead and do07:26
Tm_TI like to play around with "complicated" settings07:26
simon___Hmmm07:27
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=== Tm_T hate too simple stuff, they lack crucial functionality in most of the time
scastNow I only have one column of tray icons07:27
scastbefore  I had two07:27
JucatoI wonder if Kubuntu will ever try to make a K Menu entry for pppoeconf, even if all it does is just launch the command in a terminal07:27
scast:\07:27
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Jucatoscast: right-click on the panel > Configure Panel > set size to Custom 4807:27
XVampireXI wonder if there ever is going to be an all around dialer for xDSL modems07:27
scastJucato: no, the system tray07:28
_rince_mrgn07:28
Jucatoscast: yes I know. just try it07:28
Jucatotry it first07:28
Tm_Traphink: wheee!07:28
XVampireXFor example, I don't know how to install my aDSL connection directly, I connect through DHCP on a router connected through PPPTP07:28
scastnow that's weird o_o07:28
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raphinkhi Tm_T07:28
JucatoXVampireX: ehehe. my ADSL connection uses PPPoE... DHCP is supposed to be easier to setup07:29
XVampireX:P07:29
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XVampireXBut I can't complain07:29
XVampireXconnected 24/7707:29
XVampireXerr07:29
XVampireXconnected 24/707:29
Tm_T:)07:30
XVampireXSo it's a good deal07:30
Jucatolet me see, there's KPPP for dial-up, KNetworkManager for wireless, the regular Network Manager for DHCP... oh where's the setup for PPPoE?07:30
JucatoXVampireX: I'm presuming your PC is also on 24/7777?07:30
Jucato:-D07:30
Raubkopierermh... muss ich jetzt meine fragen englisch stellen? -.- ich hab doch ferien...07:30
scastJucato: i love you rawr07:30
Jucatoscast: see, I told yah! :-D07:30
Tm_TRaubkopierer: please use english here07:30
XVampireXJucato: Yeah, nowadays I use linux, so no problem for me leaving it on everyday.... cause it'll never crash or anything :P07:30
Tm_T!de07:31
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de07:31
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JucatoSize 48 is the smallest panel size that allows 2 rows for system tray. Normal size is just a tad to small07:31
scastnow the only thing is07:31
Tm_Tdefault is large enough07:31
scastfont's look weird07:31
scasto_o07:31
JucatoXVampireX: and how is your electricity bill? :-D07:31
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XVampireXNot high07:31
XVampireXmy comp sucks07:31
scastin some apps they look weird07:31
Tm_Tthough I have 82 px wide kicker07:31
JucatoTm_T: default panel size is normal right?07:32
JucatoTm_T: default panel size is "Normal" right?07:32
Raubkopiereroha... my english is07:32
Raubkopierernot so good :(07:33
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Raubkopiereri will try it...07:33
Tm_TJucato: afaik yes, but I don't remember (I don't have much default binaries even)07:34
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Raubkopiererwhen i install ubuntu the installation crash while loading the modules for the floppy device...07:34
Robert_____linux don't start...07:34
JucatoTm_T: well, IIRC, starting KDE 3.5.3, "Normal" size is too small to fit 2 rows of icons in the system tray07:34
Jucatobut in KDE 3.5.2 and below, it was...07:34
Robert_____how was the path to the log file of the system?07:35
Robert_____and the path to the graphic-configuration?07:35
Raubkopierercan anyboady help me please?07:35
Raubkopierer*anybody07:35
Robert_____(sry, i don't notice that)07:35
Tm_TJucato: to that yes, unless you tweak kickerrc (or what it was(07:35
babagok. so i have to add a cdrom source with apt-cdrom to install a package i've downloaded to a cd.07:35
Raubkopierer:(07:36
Tm_TRaubkopierer: have you tried to check cd integrity?07:36
babagi'm on a mandriva box here. how do i find and download kubuntu packages?07:36
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babagi know rpmfind for mandriva. is there something like that for kubuntu?07:37
Tm_Tbabag: packages.ubuntu.com07:37
RaubkopiererI have a dvd and a cd of ubuntu... bothe ones are ehm... allright Oo07:37
babaggreat! thanks.07:37
Raubkopierer...07:38
Jucato[konversation]  does anyone know how to put the list of names on the left side rather than the right side?07:39
Raubkopierertm_t: yes07:39
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Jucatowb Hobbsee!07:39
Hobbseehi Jucato07:40
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Jucato:-D07:40
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RaubkopiererI have allready one sucsessful installation but it couldn't mount the root file system so i tried to reinstall ubuntu07:42
Tm_Thmmh07:42
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Tm_TRaubkopierer: what version it is? 6.06 desktop?07:42
RaubkopiererTm_T, yes...07:43
Tm_Thmm07:43
Raubkopiererschould i try the alternate cd?07:44
Tm_Twhy not07:44
Raubkopiererbecause i have to download it first ;)07:45
Raubkopiereri will come back in some hours...07:45
Raubkopiererbye...07:45
scastwow07:46
scastI spent the last hour watching the suckiest movie ever07:46
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XVampireXscast, or DO you?07:46
Jucatoscast: while installing/customizing Kubuntu at the same time?07:46
XVampireX:)07:46
Jucatowell, there's always "virtual" suicide...07:47
=== XVampireX tells you that alphacube = best window decoration theme
abattoirscast: was it the 'date movie' by any chance? :-\07:47
=== Jucato says Crystal is in "tune" with the Ubuntu theme/windeco
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scastJucato: yes, no.07:48
scastI feel like I waste the last 2 hours and half of my life.07:49
JucatoOne thing I'm dying to have in KDE: an easy way to make Styles and Window Decorations...07:49
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XVampireXJucato: will have to wait for KDE407:50
JucatoXVampireX: KDE 4 will have that? are you absolutely sure?!?!07:50
XVampireXYeah07:50
scastThere is one thing that I hate HATE about default kubuntu 6.06... The windeco is HORRIBLE.07:50
XVampireXIt will be easier than now07:50
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XVampireXscast: Agree...07:51
Jucatoscast: I think they chose Crystal because it closely resembles the Human windeco of Ubuntu07:51
Jucatoprobably...07:51
abattoirthe windeco, imho is nice, only the buttons....07:51
scastJucato: I don't have trouble with Crysta. In fact, I think it is one of the best windeco available, but the way it is configurd by default in kubuntu is horrible.07:52
scastCrystal*07:52
XVampireXbe back in a bit, gonna finish my sleep, for some reason I went to sleep at around 11pm and woke up at 5am and feeling sleepy now07:52
JucatoI changed the buttons to Crystal Aqua07:52
Jucatobye XVampireX! sweet dreams07:53
scastknifty ftw07:53
XVampireXIt's morning07:53
XVampireX:P07:53
XVampireXok07:53
XVampireXThanks07:53
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Tm_Tscast: I have done knifty fork to my own use but I moved to b207:54
Jucatobtw, about window decorations, it was only until a few days ago that I discovered you can rearrange the window buttons... :-(07:54
scastJucato: rawr.07:54
scastI used to have [minimize] [maximize] --title--[icon] [close] 07:54
scastit was amazing :)07:54
XVampireXTm_T: You could add Buddy Pounce to Kopete any time now...07:55
Jucatoheheh! I still kept them in their place. but knowing that I can move them around satisfies me. :-D07:55
Tm_TXVampireX: what?07:55
Jucatowhat's Buddy Pounce...07:55
scast!lamp07:55
ubotulamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP07:55
XVampireXI.E: In situations like this where I have to send someone who's offline a message yet going to sleep07:55
Tm_TI have [close] --title--[maximize] 07:56
scastTm_T: I am my friends think my old configuration was SICK!07:56
scastrawr07:56
Tm_TXVampireX: well, err, offline message you mean?07:56
XVampireXTm_T: Buddy pounce is when you let kopete automatically perform an action when for example someone logs on or come back from away/etc...07:56
Tm_Taah07:56
Jucatohmm.. I could probably rearrange them too... gonna think of a nice layout07:56
Tm_Tthat one07:56
JucatoXVampireX: oooh.. so that's what it was for07:57
Tm_TXVampireX: hmm, there's none07:57
XVampireXYup07:57
JucatoI always though Buddy Pounce was like a Buzz in YM...07:57
XVampireXI know, there should be07:57
Tm_TXVampireX: unless you write plugin ;)07:57
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abattoirTm_T: all these fancy names they give to these things.... right? ;)07:57
scastSomething I really feel that Ubuntu could use is a decent PS107:57
scastseriously.07:57
Tm_Tabattoir: yeah07:57
XVampireXAre there any unofficial plugins written for kopete?07:57
Jucatoscast: PS1? playstation 1?07:57
scastno07:57
Jucatoehehe07:57
Tm_TXVampireX: sure, but don't ask where they are07:57
scastPS1, hmmm07:57
scastopen up a console07:58
scastthe simon@titan:~$07:58
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scastPS1="[\[\033\] \u@\h\[\e\]  \[\033\] \w\[\e\]  \[\033\] \$(/bin/ls -lah | /bin/grep -m 1 total | /bin/sed 's/total //')\[\e\] ] \\$ "07:59
scasttry that one.07:59
Jucatoer... what will that do?07:59
JucatoI'm scared of things I can't understand. :D07:59
scastCopy paste it into konsole. It's nothing permanent, if you dont like just close it.08:00
Jucatooooh08:00
JucatoI see08:00
scastyou like ? ^^08:01
Jucatokinda... but what does/can it do?08:01
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scastit's cuttier and it tell you the size of your current directory.08:01
Jucatoooh08:01
Jucatoaaah08:01
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Tm_Tscast: one problem: awful colours08:02
Tm_Tmy eyes! :(08:02
scastyea. I think he changed it recently.08:02
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scastBefore it the blue was easier on the eyes08:03
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Jucatoit's not so bad on a black background08:03
Tm_TJucato: it is08:04
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Jucato:-D08:04
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wckdkl0wni try to go to this website to view a video and it tells me i need flash player in order to view it.. so i installed the file on macromedias website and it still dont work.. i also isntalled flashplugin-nonfree from the repos and still doesnt work08:06
wckdkl0wnany idea what i need?08:06
Jucatowckdkl0wn: what browser are you using?08:06
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scastJucato, Tm_T:PS1="[\[\033\] \u@\h\[\e\]  \[\033\] \w\[\e\]  \[\033\] \$(/bin/ls -lah | /bin/grep -m 1 total | /bin/sed 's/total //')\[\e\] ] \\$ "08:07
wckdkl0wnboth firefox and konqueror08:07
wckdkl0wnJucato: ^08:07
Jucatoand it doesn't work even in Firefox?08:07
wckdkl0wnnope08:07
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wckdkl0wni checked the plugins list and it says i have flash plugins installed08:07
wckdkl0wnand plugins are enabled08:08
Jucatocould you post a link to the site, so we could check?08:08
Tm_Tscast: yup, hate that red there though, but improvenment with dark background yes08:08
Ash-FoxAck, what is this filth, graphical emoticons in e-mail... NOOOOOOOO08:08
Tm_TAsh-Fox: that's me08:09
scastTm_T: play with the numbers xD08:09
Tm_Tscast: I know ;)08:09
Jucatomuch better08:09
wckdkl0wnJucato: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/46548/earthquake/08:10
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Jucatoer.. metacafe doesn't support anything Linux I think...08:10
Jucatothere was a comment about that. I forgot when...08:10
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wckdkl0wnoh08:11
wckdkl0wnso then my flash should be working ok then just that site is the problem08:11
Jucatoi'm not absolutely sure, though08:11
JucatoI go to http://www.newgrounds.com to check if my flash works08:11
apeman2020Hello AllL!08:11
apeman2020Could anyone point me in the direction of a good system monitoring tool?08:12
Ash-Foxctrl + escape08:12
Jucatoand metacafe might be using a more recent Flash version that Linux doesn't support yet...08:12
Ash-FoxThat's my system monitoring tool :P08:12
apeman2020haha08:12
farousi use gkrellm with fluxbox. kde  come with good applets though08:12
apeman2020sure sure08:12
Jucatoor you can launch the full KSysGuard app08:12
apeman2020i am looking for something to actively display proc and mem usage08:13
wckdkl0wnyup works fine there08:13
scastGuys what are your essentials?08:13
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Ash-Foxapeman2020, ksysguard can do that08:13
wckdkl0wnguess that means it just that site08:13
farousapeman2020: you mean howm many processes08:13
apeman2020Ash-Fox: thanks08:13
Jucatoapeman2020: try KSysGuard (the full KSysGuard from K Menu >System)08:13
apeman2020Alcon i have used that . i am looking for more like a toolbar or the like08:14
Jucatowckdkl0wn: metacafe link doesn't work here, too. And I'm sure my firefox is working08:14
apeman2020something that sits in the background..08:14
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Jucatoapeman2020: the System Monitor Applet?08:14
wckdkl0wnok no biggy i thought it was something i was doing wrong.. i just couldnt see why it wasnt workin when flash was install08:15
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wckdkl0wnty for the help08:15
Jucatoapeman2020: or KSensors, which sits n the system tray08:15
apeman2020Jucato: ksenors?08:15
apeman2020something like rainlender..08:15
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wckdkl0wnJucato: what if i was to install firefox using wine? since the new flash is compatible with windows08:17
Jucatowckdkl0wn: I'm not really sure...08:17
wckdkl0wnok08:17
Ash-Foxwckdkl0wn, you could install firefox using wine.08:19
Ash-FoxIt's messy, and a bit pointless in my opinion, but you can.08:20
scast!postgres08:21
ubotuI know nothing about postgres - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu08:21
scast!postgresql08:21
ubotuI know nothing about postgresql - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu08:21
scast-_-08:21
apeman2020agree with the wine:firefox thing08:21
scastwell LAMP is done.08:21
scast!ssh08:21
ubotussh is the Secure SHell protocol (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto). Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows, which can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/08:21
apeman2020WINscp is a good GUI as well08:22
unix_infidelmaybe the factoid should reflect which clients are decent for Linux as well :P08:22
unix_infidelseeing as this IS Linux #08:22
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scast!fuse08:23
ubotuThough it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse08:23
scasto_o08:23
Jucatobbl...08:24
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m0ns00nHey! Anyone else here have a KDesktop that doesn't update to show icons added to the desktop?08:27
m0ns00nSeems like I need to kill KDesktop from time to time to make it work - then it runs a bit and then stops updating again...08:27
m0ns00nIt doesn't lock.08:27
scastI am not sure how thing exactly work in apt but when I have like 3 repos with the same package what package it picks? The newer? The first repo listed in the sources.list? The one from the official repos?08:28
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AegeanLinuxMy kd is fine08:29
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Hawkwindscast: It'll pick the first one if they are all the same, or the newest one of the three08:30
scast!sources08:30
ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource08:30
scast!easysource08:30
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic08:30
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gplfighter'morning08:39
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bugunudoes anyone know why nmap from root doesn't work?08:43
scastOff to sleep08:43
bugununevermind that, updated :-"08:43
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supernixHi08:53
supernixI have been fighting for the longest to get a dialup connection working under Kubuntu no luck even on a serial modem08:54
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supernixI thought that I might just try another distro to see what results I get and I chose Knoppix well once I did the setup routine for a connection under Knoppix it worked fine I was actually able to connect using the live cd08:55
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miyakook, I finally got everything to install09:11
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miyakoit seems that the problem was that the installer was trying to install grub to my IDE drive, when I physically removed the cable connecting the IDE hard drive and installed, it installed and configured grub properly for my SATA drive09:12
miyakohopefully, if I hook my IDE drive back up I will still be able to boot up properly09:12
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mioemihello good people09:32
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supernixHiya09:37
supernixfinally someone graces me with their presence09:37
Lynourehmm09:37
LynoureSorry, I'm not much help with dialup things anymore, not on kubuntu anyway09:38
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supernixnp most people are using dsl or cable or some sort of wifi or ethernet connection09:41
supernixI have not used dialup on almost 10 years09:41
supernixMy fiancee however only uses dialup09:42
supernixSad to say I will most likely be stuck with dialup in the comming months as well since I will be moving to the country09:42
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krautmoin09:49
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farousanyone know how to disable acceping pm. using irssi here10:06
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sjkfarous, use /ignore.10:14
faroussjk: i do not want to be rude10:15
farousignore is used to ignore specific person or pattern in the channel i just do not want to accept any pm10:15
sjk/ignore * MSGS10:16
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farousthanx sjk10:16
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farousyah that is much better thanx again sjk :)10:18
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sjkfarous, yw10:21
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Gingillohi,i have a problem installing kubuntu. I start installation. But it stops on "mounting root file system" what can i do? Thanks10:24
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Gingillo=(10:29
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farousGingillo: did you format the root partition as ext310:29
Gingilloi didnt format nothing10:29
farousGingillo: if you just explain more people can be more helpful10:29
Gingillook...10:30
farousGingillo: which cd you used10:30
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farousand how far in the installation you went10:30
gplfighteri think he means when the cd boots.10:30
gplfighterusplash says : mounting root file system10:31
gplfighterhere it takes a long time in the livecd10:31
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farouslol he left10:31
Gingillo_sorry :P10:31
farousah dc wb10:31
Gingillo_this cd: "kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso"10:32
farousso was it the livecd you talk about as gplfighter suggested10:32
Gingillo_livecd???10:32
gplfighterthats  the licecd10:32
gplfighterthe 'normal' install dic10:32
Gingillo_i want to install kubuntu, not to try it..10:32
gplfighterGingillo_: yes, the livecd is also the install cd10:33
Gingillo_ah lol thanks10:33
farousGingillo_: ok so when did the problem occur and how far was you in the installation10:33
gplfighteri think the disc was still booting10:33
gplfighterGingillo_: ?10:34
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godvirus_hello10:34
gplfighterlo godvirus_10:34
godvirus_i downloaded a live cd and i get some weird language10:34
Gingillo_the problem occurred in the second step of the installation: i choose "install" than it mounts the kernel and the second step is "mounting root file system"10:34
gplfighterwait10:35
godvirus_Um die CD zu starten drueken Sie einfach die EINGABETASTE10:35
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Gingillo_i'll wait np =)10:35
gplfighterllol10:35
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godvirus_did i download the right iso? the boot cd is in some weird language10:35
gplfighteryou mean here : http://fluaju.no-ip.org/anika/preinsqtall/10.png ??10:35
farousGingillo_: it seems like the livecd and depending on your system it might take sometime so just wait for it to start10:36
Gingillo_i waited like 5 mins, and i listen thath the cd reader is not reading.. so i reboot.. am i wrong? :P10:36
gplfighteryou mean here : http://fluaju.no-ip.org/anika/preinsqtall/11.png ??10:37
gplfightermounting root file system10:37
gplfighteror ...10:37
Gingillo_ehm i don't see the page sorry10:37
Gingillo_my connection =|10:37
gplfighterk10:37
Gingillo_dont u have a mirror? :P10:37
gplfighterwait a seconf10:37
godvirus_hello10:38
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abattoirGingillo_: did you try booting in the safe boot mode?10:38
Gingillo_no10:38
Gingillo_should i?10:38
abattoirGingillo_: ok, maybe i got it wrong, but as soon as the cd boots, you choose 'Install', then you see the progress dialog(kernel)... and then you see the kubuntu logo... it freezes here... right?10:39
gplfighterhttp://img126.imageshack.us/img126/1913/10zj2.png10:39
Gingillo_yes, when i see the kubuntu logo and the last line is "mounting root file system"10:39
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Gingillo_gplfighter: yes10:40
gplfighterlike my url10:40
gplfighterok10:40
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abattoirGingillo_: what is your harddisk layout?10:41
Gingillo_layout?10:41
Gingillo_i have 2 hard disks10:41
abattoirGingillo_: yes, what partitions, which filesystems?10:41
Gingillo_but windows has done a vry strange thing :P10:41
Gingillo_this is not my problem10:42
Gingillo_i have a 30gb hard disk called C (backup) and a 200 gb hard disk called F10:42
abattoirGingillo_: ok, try the safe boot thing10:43
Gingillo_ok10:43
Gingillo_i try10:43
Gingillo_mmh10:43
Gingillo_if it stops on mounting in the safe boot10:43
Gingillo_how much have i to wait?10:43
rikiohis there a way i can take a big file from linux ( too big to burn) and view it on my windows partition... since i have 2 hdd's it just says hdd not formatted when i try to access it in windows10:44
abattoirGingillo_: not more than 2~3 mins. max. , i'd say10:44
abattoirrikioh: windows does not recognize native linux file systems10:44
abattoirrikioh: so you cant copy it from windows natively10:45
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Gingillo_ok thanks  abattoir. I'm going to try it10:45
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abattoirrikioh: if the windows partition is fat(32) then copy it when you are booted into linux, into the windows partition10:45
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rikiohntsf10:46
rikiohor you know what i mean10:46
abattoiryes, ntfs10:46
abattoirntfs write support is highly experimental... in linux...10:46
godvirus_did i download the right iso? the boot cd is in some weird language10:47
farousrikioh: there is a prog and a driver that let window see linux part10:47
farousext2fs10:47
abattoirgodvirus_: where did you download it from ?10:47
farouslook it up on sourcefourge10:47
abattoirgodvirus_: link ?10:47
godvirus_united states mirror10:47
rikiohso i install ext2fs on windows?10:47
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farousrikioh: you just run it or install it there are couple of progs there just check it out if you do that regularly10:48
farousrikioh: if it is a one time thing load it to google then download it10:48
abattoirgodvirus_: i dont think 'non-english versions' exist.... but I think de releases german versions... not sure10:49
godvirus_pretty sure i got it from here http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/6.06/kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso10:49
godvirus_ok somehow i got a german version10:49
rikiohthis file is almost 2 gigs i dont think i can laod it to google10:49
abattoirgodvirus_: is it german? sure?10:49
godvirus_Um die CD zu starten drueken Sie einfach die EINGABETASTE10:49
abattoirhaha, ok10:49
abattoirgodvirus_: http://kubuntu.org/download.php10:51
gplfightergodvirus_: or if you can wait a few weeks : http://shipit.kubuntu.org10:52
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godvirus_so how do i install it?10:59
godvirus_nm10:59
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Rodilhi11:08
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gogetahi11:10
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gplfighterhi11:10
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gogetalol11:11
gogetajust inital install and tweaking right now11:11
gogetaand 103 updates11:11
gplfightertweaking?11:11
gogetalol11:11
gogetayea11:11
gplfighter103 ==> LOL11:11
gogetaati drivers etc11:11
gplfighterah k11:11
gogetarpms suck11:12
gogetalol11:12
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gogetarelly they have no way of keeping themselfs from cluttering the system up11:12
Rodilghu, kinda wierd being such a newb I can't get anything to work again...11:12
gogeta?11:13
gogetaanything is a pretty wide area to try and help with lol11:13
Rodiljust bought a new laptop and am loading up kubuntu on it, been using windows/dos forever.11:13
gogetawelcome to the free world then11:13
gogetalol11:14
Rodilhaving problems with hardware recognition I think.11:14
gogetawhat it doing11:14
RodilI'm not sure if it knows my modem is there, but I'm getting a modem is busy thing with kppp11:14
Rodiland have no clue of where to start fixing that. :)11:15
gogetalol your online yea its busy11:15
RodilI'm on my windows box now11:15
gogetaoh thats a easy one11:15
gogetadont hibnerate xp11:15
RodilI wiped xp11:15
gogetashut it down fully your modem should free up11:15
gogetaoh11:16
Rodilcan't stand xp, which is why I went with kubuntu11:16
gogetawell i use both11:16
Rodilmy windows box still runs me. :P11:16
gogetanmost do11:16
gogetaso modem busy11:16
RodilI don't play games so figured I wasn't losing much by ditching windows completely11:17
gogetashure the number you diald wasent busy lol11:17
Rodilit's not even getting to the dialing part11:17
gogetaoh11:17
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n3stormmy printing system has stopped working11:18
n3stormps aux says cupsd is running11:18
gogetait a smart link?11:18
n3stormI have unnistalled cupsys and installed back again11:18
n3stormnothing11:18
n3stormany idea?11:18
ricardohi everybody..i have dual boot win xp....is it possible to take some ntfs GBytes to reformat them to ext2 merge them with the linux partition (from linux)?11:18
gplfighterricardo, yes, witm PM11:19
ricardo!PM11:19
ubotuPlease ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.11:19
n3stormUnable to bind socket for address 127.0.0.1:631 - Cannot assign requested address11:19
gplfighterPartition Magic11:19
crimsunit's also possible if your Ubuntu partition is on lvm.11:19
ricardoah..ok...isnt that a win only app?11:19
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gplfighteryes, but it is dual boot, not :p11:19
n3stormthis message can be read at var/log/cups/error_log11:19
ricardocrimsun: how can i know if im under lvm?11:20
Healottried novell desktop 10.1 xgl, works nicely :011:20
gogetahttp://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO-18.html#ss18.211:21
gogetathers your errer and ways to try and fix it11:21
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ricardois there a 'free' app for linux like pm?11:22
gogetapartation magic11:22
gogeta?11:22
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crimsunricardo: /etc/mtab for your / partition will show you11:23
gogetai beleve the modern linux partation system can safly resize windows11:23
n3stormricardo qtparted or qparted11:23
gogetawitch is used in the installer11:23
ricardocrimsun and n3storm: thanks!11:23
ricardogogeta: how??11:24
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gplfighterNO11:25
gplfighterthey can't resize ntfs11:25
gplfighteri've destroyed my ntfs partition11:26
Healotresize NTFS/FAT partitions yes11:26
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Healotbut there are always risks :-11:26
ricardoHealot: aha....so....whats your advice...11:27
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ricardoi dont care if the ntfs partition get scrambled in the way i just wanna be sure that linux wont be unbootable after that11:28
Healotuse Windows partitioner, or be careful when resizing...11:28
ricardook...so is it safe to resize merge ntfs and ext2 partitions with partition magic? should i modify anything right back at linux mtab / fstab?11:30
ricardoHealot:11:30
Healotpm is the best imho... yet11:30
exmethixhi @ all11:30
exmethixi have a problem starting xgl with kubuntu11:31
ricardoHealot: imho?11:31
Healotif you resize partition, no need to change the fstab entry, but if you created/deleted partitions, you will11:31
Healotneed to change the entry11:31
exmethixis it possible to start xgl with the kubuntu login manager?11:31
ricardoHealot: na...i just wanna take 5 GB from win and give them to my precious....11:31
exmethixwith ubuntu i could start ist with gdm11:31
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noiesmoexmethix, here is kdm http://www.compiz.net/topic-256-how-install-xgl-compiz-mepis-for-nvidia11:33
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noiesmoexmethix, i'm running on kubuntu but i just have a compiz session and then if i want can run xgl or normal11:34
Newhi i just got my kubuntu cd's in the mail11:34
exmethixnoiesmo: i have ati (fglrx)11:34
Newhi i just got my kubuntu cd's in the mail11:34
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new_penguinit is great11:34
noiesmoexmethix, here http://www.compiz.net/topic-392-using-kdm-combination-with-fglrx-ati11:34
new_penguini also got ubuntu and esubuntu11:35
exmethixthanks11:35
new_penguinedubuntu*11:35
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Healoti only have windows xp :)11:38
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paineshi11:47
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liedmoin, kann mir jeman nen guten homepage editor sagen? (also jetz bitte keine antworten wie nim vi oder so ;) )11:51
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aliasfred!de11:52
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de11:52
liedoh sorry :)11:52
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aliasfredyou will likely get better help there :)11:52
liedaliasfred:  yeah you right :)11:53
aliasfredlied, try nvu11:53
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aliasfredparsed out of my school german :)11:53
aliasfredreal good :) :) :)11:53
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paineslied, quanta is also a good choice for starters, or bluefish11:54
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_thumper_downloaded edgy alternate kubuntu iso11:56
_thumper_started it up and decided to run the check cd contents11:57
_thumper_came back with md5 checksum error11:57
liedpaines:  i know quanta, this is realy good for beginners11:57
_thumper_does this mean it is really screwed, or just that it may be?11:57
_thumper_could it still install ok?11:57
paines_thumper_, really11:57
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_thumper_it is just an md5 error on one of the packages11:58
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paines_thumper_, mine was scratched and in the halt of the install it failed,11:58
_thumper_could it be that the md5 check is out of date?11:58
paineshalt=half11:58
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ricardowhat about linux defraging? is it useful or doesnt make sense?12:02
Healotavailable, but not required, ricardo12:02
ricardoHealot: so...would it improve performance?12:02
Healotnot really12:02
Healoten.wikipedia.org/ext312:02
ricardoHealot: so it is just a cosmetic tool?12:03
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ricardoHealot: ok...thanks...so another question...my linux partition is ext2...should i change it to ext3....would that change be transparent?12:06
Healotyup12:06
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Healottune2fs -j <partition>12:07
Healotprepend sudo of course12:07
ricardoHealot: should i do it using qtparted from linux?12:07
ricardoHealot: oh..ok...12:07
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Healotman tune2fs for more options12:08
ricardoHealot: already doing that thank you very much!! youve been really helpful12:09
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KabalIn TOP I see 2 zombie proccesses.. how can I identify these 2?12:10
painesKabal, what do you mean by identify ?12:10
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aliasfredKabal: use pstree to know what are the child processes12:11
painesKabal, there should be process name ( defunct) or something. so you know that processname is a zombie12:11
Kabalwell I see alot of stuff running in top.. and I want to kill zombies12:11
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aliasfredkabal, you cant kill zombie, they will disapears as soon as their child processes end12:12
Kabaloke.. :)12:12
Kabalpstree is a great view.. didn't knew that command.. :)12:13
Kabalpaines: can't seem to find any (defunct)12:13
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painesKabal, de defunct indicated zombies, if you haven't any, then it is okay12:14
Kabalpaines: ok :)12:14
Kabalxmms is a childprocess of kdeinit?12:14
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Kabalfor example? or am I wrong here..?12:15
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exmethixiget the following error when i try to start my compiz:12:18
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exmethixhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/WsHKdO18.htmlaste/results/WsHKdO18.html12:19
exmethixanyone can help?12:19
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noiesmoexmethix, link didnt work for me12:20
painesexmethix, if you would paste an url which is valid maybe someone could help12:20
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jott_exmethix: sudo apt-get install python-gtk212:21
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Kabalpaines: the 2 zombies are [operapluginwrap]  <defunct>12:22
Kabalis this normal/ok?12:22
painesKabal, aha.  is opera still runninng12:22
Kabaljup :P12:23
Kabalirc'ing now wif opera :)12:23
Rodilhow do I get the make command?12:23
painesKabal, no, but it also isn't much of a problem. when you finish opera he will take his childs with him12:23
painesKabal, so the wrapper thingy should disappera12:23
painesRodil, apt-get install build-essntial12:24
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Kabalpaines: thanx! learned alot again.. :)12:24
Kabalreally like the pstree command :)12:24
painesRodil, apt-get install build-essential12:25
painessorry12:25
Rodilsyas permission denied, couldn't unlock12:25
Alatristejoder12:25
Alatristemy APT has died12:25
painesRodil, sudo apt-get install build-essential12:25
Alatristei'm getting for anything the same error12:25
AlatristeFallo de segmentacinetes... 69%12:25
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Alatristeand i've goggled but there is nothing for this error12:25
Rodilcouldn't find package build-essential12:25
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Alatristesomebody know about it?12:26
painesRodil, sudo apt-get install make12:26
Rodilcouldn't find package make12:26
painesRodil, well then you have a problem12:26
Rodil:)12:26
painesRodil, use pastebin.com and show us you /etc/apt/sources.list12:27
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painesman i need a secretary or speech input. so many typos12:27
RodilI'm on a different box here, can't get the modem working in kubuntu and don't have dual boot12:28
Alatristemy APT has died12:29
Alatristei'm getting for anything the same error12:29
AlatristeFallo de segmentacinetes... 69%12:29
Alatristeand i've goggled but there is nothing for this error12:29
Alatristesomebody know about it?12:29
painesAlatriste, open up a konsole, and give in sudo apt-get -f install12:30
Alatristepaines: , yes i did and same error12:30
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Rodilhow do I get rid of this permission denied thing?12:31
painesAlatriste, do sudo unset LANG and reepat the -f install command, to see the error in english12:32
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Alatristepaines: , um, this command not works in kubuntu12:33
painesAlatriste, and unset LANGUAGE12:34
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Alatristepaines: same COMMAND NOT FOUND12:35
Rodilsays permissino denied when I /etc/apt/sources.list12:35
tsdgeosneed sudo12:35
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Rodilsays command not found with sudo12:36
painesRodil, sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list12:37
fritschpaines: works without sudo, too12:37
painesAlatriste, unset is a bash command.12:37
painesfritsch, true ;-)12:37
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Alatristepaines: um, i'm a bit newbie in linux, i only  know to type and enter it ina  terminal12:39
painesAlatriste, what happend that your apt-whatever died ?12:39
exmethixnow i get another error with my python compiz script:12:39
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Alatristepaines:  i don't know exactly i before get an error about memory, which i read was cache got too small for repositories12:40
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exmethixhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/bEKnbP70.html12:40
exmethixanyone could help?12:40
fritschmom12:41
Alatristeso i changed the apt.conf putting this line APT::Cache-Limit 10000000;12:41
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fritschexmethix: sorry, no12:41
Alatristepaines: , so i changed the apt.conf putting this line APT::Cache-Limit 10000000;12:41
fritschAlatriste: sorry, did not get the error, joined too late, what was it?12:42
Alatristepaines: , but i continued getting the error about memory, so i deleted some repositories from souces.list12:42
exmethixi think there is something missing, to allow the python script making a tray icon12:42
exmethix???12:42
painesAlatriste, have you done a apt-get update after changing that12:42
fritschexmethix: i think this icon does not exist12:42
Alatristepaines: , then after removing repositories i did yes the apt-get update12:42
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Alatristepaines: and i got the "Fallo de segmentaciones..."%" error12:43
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fritschAlatriste: segmentation fault? hen you do apt-get update?12:43
fritschAlatriste: does the command dmesg say sth. about very bad Ram :-)?12:43
painesAlatriste, ohh. i  think that is segmentation fault in spanish ?12:43
Alatristefritsch: update, install or anything12:44
fritschAlatriste: never seen that before in over 5 years apt-get12:44
painesAlatriste, thats really bad an shouldn't happen12:44
fritschAlatriste: your computer is okay?12:44
Alatristefritsch: , what command exactly?12:44
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fritschAlatriste: apt-get update12:44
Alatristepaines: i think yes i changed only two months ago12:44
jott_exmethix: install python-gnome2-extras12:44
fritschAlatriste: this really should not end up in segmentation fault12:45
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Alatristefritsch: , update only says segmentation fault12:45
painesAlatriste, best is , cause this is very debian specifi, to ask in a debian channel12:45
fritschAlatriste: execute "dmesg", do you see errors?12:45
Alatristefritsch: , not12:46
exmethixjott_: ok12:46
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Alatristeand everything works right in win and linux12:46
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fritschAlatriste: did you do the apt.conf change because of this error?12:46
fritschAlatriste: revert it12:46
mioemican anybody tell me how I can install wine?12:46
Alatristefritsch: yes,12:47
Alatristefritsch: , oki12:47
fritschmioemi: sudo apt-get install wine12:47
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mioemiok frits12:47
mioemilet me make an attempt now12:48
Alatristefritsch: , if i remove now i get the "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room"12:48
_dbglthrmm anyone know what I have to install in apollon to get the media player function working? I  get "Please install the KDE multimedia-video package to enable the media player."12:48
fritschAlatriste: okay! this error i saw before12:50
fritschAlatriste: add this: APT::Cache-Limit 16777216; <- to your apt.conf12:50
fritschyour number was much too high, i think12:51
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fritschAlatriste: working?12:53
Rodilok, I downloaded a copy of build-essential, does it need to be in a specific place for apt.get install to find it?12:53
Alatristefritsch: , yes, but now i get again the segmentation error12:54
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fritschAlatriste: hehe, play with the values?12:57
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Alatristeuff01:01
fritschAlatriste: a bit of googling said, that this can be caused by a messed up sources.list01:01
Alatristefritsch: , very thnkas, in increased the size a lot01:01
abattoirRodil: you 'downloaded' it? you mean you downloaded the .deb file manually?01:01
fritschcan you pastebin you sources.list somewhere01:01
Alatristefritsch: and now it works :)01:01
Rodilyeah01:01
fritschAlatriste: hehe, cool01:01
fritschAlatriste: which value did you take?01:01
Alatristefritsch: APT::Cache-Limit "19388608";01:02
abattoirRodil: there's an easier method, 'sudo apt-get install build-essential' will automatically download, and install it for you01:02
RodilI think my package list is messed up...01:02
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abattoirRodil: oh, oops, sorry :P01:02
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fritschAlatriste: have to leave for short (built beta pacakges of network-manager)01:02
abattoirRodil: then you can install it by 'sudo dpkg -i /path/to/file'01:02
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RodilE: Couldn't find package build-essential for the apt-get install build essential...01:03
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abattoirRodil: hmmm.. wait a sec, what exactly i sthe background, does apt not work for you or...?01:05
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Rodilhow do I tell if apt is working or not?01:05
abattoirRodil: wait... you seem to have had some problem w/ your sources.list right?01:06
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Rodilyeah01:06
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RodilI can bring that up, but I'm on a different box here, so no cut and paste, anything I'm looking for in specific?  It mostly says... 'line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:'01:08
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Rodiland I think apt is working fine, used it on a couple other things01:10
marek_hi01:10
Rodilhi01:10
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abattoirRodil: that's normal if you werent connected to the internet whilst installing01:10
Rodilahhh01:10
Rodilso how to fix?01:10
marek_can some one assistme with ubuntu problems?01:10
Rodilthe problem being that I can't get online as is01:11
Rodilwith that box01:11
abattoirRodil: just uncomment the line w/ something like 'deb http://some/url/ dapper main restricted'01:11
abattoirRodil: oh, you cant get online? then how'd you get the packages from main?01:11
abattoirRodil: 'build-essential' is a meta-package, i.e. it depends on other packages, downloading that manually and installing it wont work01:12
abattoirRodil: you'd need to download all the packages it depends on too01:12
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RodilI dunno, maybe I haven't gotten the packages and thats the problem, I can't get online and every possible fix I've found thus far involves getting the make command which involves getting online01:13
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Rodilfor the getting online thing, kppp is giving me a 'modem is busy' error01:13
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marek_help needed here with ubuntu01:30
user_what kind of help do U need marek?01:32
marek_tv01:32
marek_out01:32
marek_mp3 palys funny01:32
user_how?01:33
marek_when i listen to music its like shaking01:33
marek_i dont konow how to explain01:33
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narvik86!info mp301:34
ubotuPackage mp3 does not exist in dapper01:34
narvik86!mp301:34
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats01:34
user_have U tried checking on the video hardware in use?01:34
marek_it feels like playing music on my old amiga when i han nod enough procesor power01:34
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marek_i have instaled standart codecs01:35
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marek_other thing that i cant use tv out01:36
narvik86what player are you using?01:36
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narvik86marek_ are you PL?01:37
marek_yes01:38
marek_i use all player with same effect01:39
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narvik86marek_ try #ubuntu-pl, forum.ubuntu.pl albo razem sprobojemy cos wykombinowac01:39
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marek_:)01:40
marek_narvik86 jestes zarajestrowany?01:41
narvik86yes :)01:41
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marek_pm do mnie01:41
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narvik86marek_ otrzymales pm ?01:42
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marek_tak01:44
narvik86i?01:44
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marek_mushe sie zarejestrovac01:45
MistaEDhey is kubuntu's kde 3.5.4 for dapper got a buggy HAL?01:45
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abattoirMistaED: what's the problem? media:/ ?01:46
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MistaEDabattoir: my dad is using ubuntu (gnome) but he wanted the latest kaffeine player for his dvb tv card, and i noticed it updated a bunch of HAL-related stuff01:48
studio_come posso fare per vedere i wmv?01:48
abattoir!it01:48
ubotuVai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!01:48
MistaEDabattoir: now he is having problems with the printer usb turning off and on and gnome-volume-manager has crashed once or twice01:48
_lars9hmm... anyone had the problem that ath0 suddenly disappeard?01:49
abattoirMistaED: could be, but the hal updates must have come from the official ubuntu repos...01:49
MistaEDabattoir: i have also been having some issues, where my mouse would lock up and gvm crashed as well, i think i'll have to downgrade the packages or something01:49
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abattoirMistaED: the only ones i've heard are related to media:/ in konq, where all the mounted/unmounted partitions arent shown01:50
abattoirMistaED: asked @ # ubuntu ?01:50
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MistaEDabattoir: i thought i would ask here first because i heard 3.5.4 had some hal-related updates for managing media and it did update from the kde-354 repo on kubuntu.org01:51
abattoirMistaED: kubuntu.org has hal packages?01:52
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abattoirMistaED: yes, it does...01:52
MistaEDabattoir: http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/pool-dapper/extra/hal/01:53
abattoiryes, i just saw01:53
MistaED;)01:53
abattoirMistaED: yes, you could try downgrading... might solve your problems01:53
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visik7someone here using knode?02:00
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visik7 there is a bug in knode02:01
visik7the config dialog is empty02:01
visik7completly empty02:01
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narvik86i'm ap-getting knode :)02:02
narvik86which config dialog?02:03
narvik86settings -> knode configuration?02:03
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visik7yes02:04
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MistaEDabattoir: cool just did it to both machines, should i post a bug report of sorts? i'm not sure exactly how02:04
visik7here is completly empty02:04
narvik86i have there all options02:04
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narvik86appearance02:04
visik7are u using 3.5.2 or 3.5.3 or 3.5.4 ?02:05
abattoirMistaED: did what, you went back to 3.5.3 ?02:05
visik7narvik86: what kde are u using the default provided with dapper ?02:05
narvik86visik7 not sure, how can i be sure?02:05
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MistaEDabattoir: nah i just downgraded the hal packages but kept the kde updates, kaffeine isn't dependent on the latest hal it seems02:06
visik7have u add the repos for another kde ? I guess no02:06
narvik86no02:06
abattoirMistaED: aah, ok, i guess it's worth filing a bug if you have seen it in two machines02:06
visik7ok so it's3.5.202:06
narvik86MistaED: how to downgrade?02:07
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MistaEDnarvik86: i just used synaptic and selected force version on the hal packages, and changed it to the earlier version that way02:08
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MistaEDabattoir: also cheers for the assistance02:08
narvik86visik7: but in konqueror -> help -> about KDE o have 3.5.402:08
visik7mm02:08
narvik86MistaED: ok thanks :)02:08
visik7so u are using kubuntu kde packages02:08
visik7so02:08
abattoirMistaED: no problem :)02:08
visik7is there a news reader in main ?02:09
labaznikhowdy02:09
narvik86visik7: for usenet?02:09
visik7yes02:09
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narvik86visik7: by default - no, but I think Thunderbird can read usenet02:11
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labaznik5.10 was quite slow on my celeron700 256mb. will 6.06 be faster? had to switch to vectorlinix - it runs like win95 :) but no package managment02:14
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Healotlabaznik, read, 256MB minimun for running the GUI :)02:14
h3sp4wnlabaznik: I use kanotix on a similar spec laptop and it runs pretty fast (kubuntu dapper was too slow)02:16
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h3sp4wnlabznik: or try xubuntu that will run fine02:17
visik7narvik86: thunderbird is gtk02:17
labazniksucks... it takes me 30mb running icewm under vector. not much precompiled software, slow processor... it was so exciting upgrading badger. but when i make 10 tabs even in opera, it goes slow02:18
visik7I'm happy without loading gtk02:18
h3sp4wnlabaznik: xfce with xubuntu would run pretty quick02:18
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labaznikby the way i got common going without laptop and making my irc session with siemens sk65 right now :)02:20
narvik86visik7: i don't know any others02:21
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narvik86visik7: http://klibido.sourceforge.net/ but it is for binary files02:23
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labaznik...and the fastest debian i ever tried was damn small linux02:25
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labaznikgotta go02:26
narvik86cu02:26
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guti_hola02:30
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hagusHi GreyRodil :)02:36
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hagusI have a question that is very simple to ask but probably not so easy to answer.02:36
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hagusI have mislaid my username and password for my linksys router.02:37
GreyRodilthis is worse than my old days of programming, 7 hours straight on the same problem...02:37
hagusIs there any other way of getting into it?02:37
sergiusenshagus: reset?02:37
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hagusWhen I go to the router homepage, it says not authorised.  I am not sure how I could reset.  Would it be somewhere else that I would do it?02:38
sergiusenshagus: what router do you have?02:39
haguslinksys home router02:39
hagusThe kind that you can get off the shelf at Tesco :)02:39
helfrezhard reset it, ust hold down the reset button for liek 10secs02:39
hagusah ty :)02:39
helfrezshould blow out all the configs02:39
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helfrezusually on the back, requires a pushpin or something to get at02:40
hagusfound it - beside power cable02:41
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hagusNow before I press it :)02:41
GreyRodilok, heres my problem, I cant get online with my kubuntu laptop which I just converted to kubuntu, every time I try with Kppp it says the modem is busy.  everything I've tried so far has either gotten me nowhere or has suggested something that requires getting it online first....02:42
hagusOnce I press it, I shall lose my connect with you folk here - I guess :)02:43
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sergiusenshagus: yes you will... if it's your way into the net02:44
bugunuhi, i'm trying to find the man page for XkbSetDetectableAutoRepeat, in adept I can only see xmanpages-ja (japanese). Need help.02:45
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Healotman xorg.conf bugunu02:47
hagusI have found my router settings (except the username and password), so I am set for the switch off - I hope :-)02:47
hagusSee you later - possibly MUCH later if this does not work out as I hope lol02:48
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hagusthanks for your help sergiusens and helfrez :)02:49
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bugunuHealot: can't seem to find anydata about XkbSetDetectableAutoRepeat this is a function i think i need the X development manpages but don't know where from(package name?)02:50
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sergiusenshagus: you're welcome02:52
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helfrezhagus: np02:53
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blehI cant mount dvd -r cds.. help me please :(02:55
rodrigosergiusens: ya te vi amigo!02:55
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GreyRodilis there any way to get the make command if apt-get isn't getting it?02:58
Healot!info build-essential02:59
ubotubuild-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In repository main, is optional. Version 11.1 (dapper), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB02:59
GreyRodilsame problem02:59
kristyonsomething wrong with your sources.list if apt-get wont get it02:59
GreyRodilhow do i fix the sources list?02:59
Hobbsee!repos02:59
ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource02:59
BluesKaj1. An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module. 2.You have old third party modules lying around. ...How do I fix this ? !03:00
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BluesKajSysten Settings doesn't see my cd/dvd-rom drive , or my graphics card03:01
BluesKajnarvik86, hello :)03:02
blehwhy cant I get dvd-r disks to mount?03:02
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narvik86i don't have menu bar in konversation03:03
bugununarvik86: Ctrl+M03:04
GreyRodilthere a way to fix the sources list?03:04
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BluesKajnarvik86, 1. An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module. 2.You have old third party modules lying around. ...How do I fix this ? !03:04
koshGreyRodil: yeah you just edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file and put the correct entries in03:05
narvik86tried with installing kcontrol?03:05
BluesKajnarvik86, this is a quote from System settings03:06
koshhttp://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic   use that03:06
GreyRodilwhere do I find the correct entries?03:06
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syniehello03:07
narvik86BluesKaj: i don't have idea righ now :/ try to do smth with kcontrol maybe03:07
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GreyRodilkosh: where do I find the correct entries for the sources.list?03:08
koshI just put a link to it03:09
syniei want to open a german document with some german letters (like , , etc). usually i can display those letters, but in this document, i can't. i have no idea why. i also set the system language to german, but it didn't help. i sent the document to a friend and he can see the letters.03:09
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GreyRodilo, woops, missed that, thanks03:09
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narvik86BluesKaj: kde-systemsettings packet or kcontrol03:10
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narvik86BluesKaj: be right back03:11
jottsynie: make sure you have set the right encoding - utf-8 / iso 8859-1(5) ...03:11
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ChuckIve got a question, how could I make a permanent symlink?03:11
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_thumper_just installed kubuntu edgy on laptop03:12
_thumper_using it right now03:12
_thumper_so network is working03:12
_thumper_however default sources.list is all commented out03:12
_thumper_when I tried archive.ubuntu.com, I got03:12
liedis there an mediaplayer out there which can handley streaming playlists with passwords?03:12
_thumper_0% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)] 03:13
_thumper_ip address didn look right03:13
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_thumper_why do I have to hit single quote twice?03:13
jott_thumper_: no nodead-keys set? ;)03:14
_thumper_jott, dunno what you mean...#03:15
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_thumper_tweaked sources.list and seems to be getting something now03:15
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_thumper_perhaps just a slow dhcp acquire03:15
_thumper_not sure03:15
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jott_thumper_: keyboard layout can have nodead keys or not.. which means that ' and ^ and so are used to make accents or are used at once...03:16
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_thumper_jott, ah ok03:16
jottso check in control center keyboard layout you have variant nodeadkeys03:16
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robinswHi, guys03:18
robinswHow can I see if my display settings for color are 32bit?03:18
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Shinzetsukmenu > settings > display?03:18
robinswThought that, but it only allows me to set resolution.03:18
Shinzetsuhang on03:18
robinswThanks, Shinzetsu03:18
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Shinzetsuhm I cant find it either03:19
Shinzetsuactually I never cared about it, thinking it was 32b by default03:19
robinswWeird03:19
jottkinfocenter -> X-Server03:19
robinswThanks for looking03:19
jottDepth of Root Window03:19
robinswAha03:19
robinswDidn't think of looking there03:19
robinswThanks, guys03:19
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bogodoes anyone know how to change the system keymap? I selected the wrong one at the initial boot screen of the install CD03:20
robinswjott, it's set to 24-bit03:20
robinswCan I adjust this?03:20
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jottin xorg.conf in screen section you can define a depth03:21
robinswRighty ho.03:21
jottDefaultDepth03:21
robinswFor a complete noob who's just come over from Windows, how can I adjust that?03:21
robinswI assume we're hitting the terminal here?03:21
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jottsudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf03:22
Healotrobinsw, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xrog"03:22
Hawkwindrobinsw: systemsettings03:22
_thumper_wtf? updated source.list to enable a few more, and now cant ping gb.archive.ubuntu.com any more03:22
Healotrobinsw, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"03:22
jotthm or via those hints ;)03:22
robinswGot the bugger!03:22
robinswChanged 24 to 3203:22
robinswThanks, guys03:22
robinsw:)03:22
MilhousePunkRockHello everyone!03:23
_thumper_damn it03:24
_thumper_gotta get back to work03:24
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sergiusensanyone using kpowersave?03:25
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MilhousePunkRockI parted my HDD lately (without losing any data btw), how do I get one of the partitions mounted as a folder within my ~?03:25
justjosh!firewall03:25
ubotuUbuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line), firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing) or shorewall (web interface)03:25
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MilhousePunkRocksergiusens: Yes, I am...03:26
lmosherMy PC doesn't seem to recognize my digital camera - but google says it should recognize just fine. How should I proceed? What can I try?03:26
sergiusensMilhousePunkRock: did you get any problems? i didn't check much into it, but I get xserver errors, so my session is lost upon resume from S303:27
justjosh!camera03:27
ubotuI know nothing about camera - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu03:27
justjosh!import03:27
ubotuI know nothing about import - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu03:27
justjoshhmm...guess the bot knows nothing.03:27
sergiusensit previously worked with ubuntu's default suspend scripts...03:27
MilhousePunkRocksergiusens: Well... That might have something to do with your video chip, at least that's the case here...03:27
MilhousePunkRocksergiusens: You might want to use a supsend2-patched kernel.03:28
justjosh!firestarter03:28
ubotuUbuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line), firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing) or shorewall (web interface)03:28
sergiusensI have a i915 and it used to work so I know it does... at least with klaptop it does03:28
sergiusensMilhousePunkRock: ok, i'll look into it03:28
MilhousePunkRockI don't think KPowersave is the problem, it's just a frontend...03:29
lmosherLOL ok camera fixed.. important question I should have asked "does it have full batteries?"03:29
lmosherthanks :P03:29
MilhousePunkRockAlthough it might use slightly different scripts, sergiusens03:29
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opsidaohi03:29
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sergiusensit's a forntend to powersave wich I tried and had the same problems...03:29
opsidaosomebody has an understanding on the implementation of http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html in kubuntu?03:30
sergiusensMilhousePunkRock: yes I've been reading the scripts, I have yet to tranlate the ones in /etc/acpi and integrate them with the ones in /etc/powersave03:30
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MilhousePunkRocksergiusens: Anyway, the suspend2 patched kernels are here: http://bernard.blackham.com.au/babble/03:31
djclue917opsidao: what seems to be the problem?03:32
opsidaofirst, the XDG_.. env variables are not set03:32
sergiusensMilhousePunkRock: i guess they don't integrate with kpowersave...03:32
MilhousePunkRocksergiusens: Yes they do...03:33
opsidaoand I'll also like to know what is the main menu file used in kubuntu and if it differs from the ubuntu one03:33
sergiusensMilhousePunkRock: good... i'll try them03:33
alteratoHave an odd keyboard input problem after running initial updates... Am unable to type in seeminly random kde password dialogs and System Settings Admin. mode pw dialogs... Any clue how to fix?03:33
sergiusensMilhousePunkRock: thanks ;-)03:33
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MilhousePunkRocksergiusens: They did not solve my problems with STR, but they are known to be pretty good...03:33
opsidaothere are /etx/xdg/menus/applications.menu (supposed to be the default)03:34
opsidaobut also the /etx/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu03:34
sergiusensMilhousePunkRock: the thing is, that before, when using ubuntu, s2r worked...03:34
MilhousePunkRocksergiusens: Then KPowersave uses different scripts, most likely... If you understand that stuff, you can probably change them to something that will work.03:35
opsidaoand there is a folder called kde-applications-merged wich I suppose is the DefaultMergeDir for kde-applications.menu03:36
opsidaobut it is (IMHO) not exactly standard compliant03:36
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ninHerhi @ll03:38
Shinzetsuh3llo03:39
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brandon_watching a youtube video in konq takes the cpu to over 60%03:41
alteratoHave an odd keyboard input problem after running initial updates... Am unable to type in seeminly random kde password dialogs and System Settings Admin. mode pw dialogs... Any clue how to fix?03:41
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BluesKaji hate konq as a browser ..it's a hog03:45
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opsidaoBluesKaj: luckily not eveybody likes the same ;)03:46
Healoti use konq fine... but there is one thing i don't prefer03:47
Healotbrandon_, it's the Flash plugin that nog CPU, not konq03:47
opsidaomy only problem with konq is that it can't open fine all the webs03:48
opsidaobut it does open most of them03:48
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Chuckdid anyone had the Problem that kwallet stops open an Site by loggin in to it? I look through all the Cookies and accepted all, but it doesnt work at some sites.03:49
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aliasfredabout the flash plugin hogging the cpu, i was wondering... is it the same on window ? or is it due to the linux implemetation of it ?03:50
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soulriderhi everyone03:51
Healotyes, the implementation done by Macromedia03:52
rolandohi03:52
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aliasfredHealot: so it is as slow on window too ?03:52
Healotit is true for linux, since the binary isn't optimised03:53
rolandoi just installed kubuntu over mandriva, and i saved my old .kde as .kdeold03:53
rolandowhat folders should i copy to have my kwallet password in my new kde???03:53
aliasfredHealot: ok :) but what about the window implementation. as it is my question :)03:53
Chuckwhy?03:54
Healotask macromedia perhaps?03:54
Chuckrolando: why dont you use your old kde configs?03:54
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Healotperhaps perhaps, perhaps :)03:54
aliasfredHealot: hehe ok :) i guess i will have to ask somebody who tried flash on window :)03:54
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ChuckI mean, all of them03:55
aliasfredthinking about it, i know one :)03:55
Healotsure03:55
rolandoChuck: because it was old version of kde 3.4 and id like to keep current configuration03:55
bojanthe kde 3.5.4 packages for Kubuntu are fixed now right?03:55
HealotI do have Flash on my windows xp, installed :)03:55
rolandoi just want from old kde my kwallet passwords03:55
Healotbut mostly it doesn't do much harm03:55
bojanin relation to the the default-settings bug?03:55
aliasfredHealot: ok have you already run it ?03:55
Healotbtw, I am on Windows XP :)03:55
aliasfredHealot: so you say that that flash is faster on window then on linux ?03:55
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damian_are win32codecs binary blobs or the product of reverse engineering03:56
aliasfreddamian_: yes03:56
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damian_which one03:56
rolandoreverse03:56
Healotaliasfred, define faster?03:56
damian_then why doesn't it come with kubuntu by default03:56
aliasfreddamian_: well i dunno :) some are just copied some the window dll03:57
Healoti would say Flash for Windows doesn't crash Internet Explorer or Firefox at most of the time03:57
aliasfreddamian_: because it is illegal in many country :)03:57
damian_so they *are* binary blobs03:57
damian_they probably use a wrapper03:57
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aliasfredHealot: hehe like faster in english :) i guess i wont get the answer from you :)03:57
Healotdamian_, it can work with original Windows codecs...03:58
aliasfreddamian_: yes they do, it is to run the window dll on linux03:58
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BluesKajHow do I find KDE orphaned control modules ?03:59
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rolandotry #kde04:02
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Healotaliasfred, faster than what? need something to compare with04:03
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aliasfredHealot: man i dont get you :)04:05
aliasfredHealot: the question is "does the flash plugin run faster on window than on linux?"04:05
aliasfredi havent window so i havent tried. but it is ok i remember a friend of mine running window, i will ask him04:06
aliasfredas this ontheside topic is becoming a long offtopic thread :)04:07
Healotfaster than what?04:09
Healotthe answer should depends on your CPU spec, but generally Windows' version is faster04:10
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justjoshfaster than my ex-girlfriend on a meth binge?04:10
justjoshnah, nothing is THAT fast....04:11
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eeoshi there. Is there anyone who has been able to use Rosegarden 4 on kubuntu?04:13
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justjosh!rosegarden04:13
ubotuI know nothing about rosegarden - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu04:13
justjoshwell heck with you then bot.04:13
damian_why is it that i can't have amaroK and firefox play sound at the same time04:14
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eeosdamian_: we are having problems with sound on kubuntu as well04:15
damian_i've had that problem in suse too04:15
jottdamian_: start firefox (or any application using oss) with "aoss firefox"04:15
damian_is it the sound server's fault?04:15
eeosdamian_: same type of problem. one appliction does seem to exclude others from sound04:15
damian_is aoss a sound server?04:16
jottthen its mapped to alsa.. which should in turn use dmix so it allows more than one application to access it04:16
jottdamian_: no it wraps /dev/dsp to alsa04:16
damian_ok04:16
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eeosanyone who knows how to use jackd as a sound server on kubuntu?04:18
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valdineyOl amigos...04:18
imbrandonOla04:19
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eeosola, como estas?04:19
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valdineyalgum aqui usa o Azureus Torrent?04:20
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imbrandonbueno04:20
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imbrandonvaldiney: si04:21
imbrandonvaldiney: volver un minuto04:21
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valdineyestou tendo um problema com ele... Sempre que eu abro o Azureus, depois de algum tempo aparece uma notificao de atualizao e a mesma no fecha mais.04:22
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TheHighChildDoes anyone have the missing address bar problem with KOnqueror after the upgrade to 3.5.4? abattoir was able to help me get it back last night temporarily, now I can't get it back at all04:25
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aliasfred!pt04:25
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.04:25
aliasfredjust in case the question is still pending :)04:25
imbrandonvaldiney: meu portugus  no grande mas, aquele  um problema sabido com Azures, voc pode comear uma outra verso de azureus.sf.net e  fixo04:28
imbrandondoh , he is gone04:28
eeosTheHighChild: I do not have the problem. 3.5.4 on kubuntu 6.06 amd 64 here.04:28
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eeosTheHighChild: what is your configuration04:30
TheHighChildDapper with KDE 3.5.404:32
DaSkreechTheHighChild: Ctrl+M doen't get it back?04:32
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TheHighChildDaSkreech: that is the menu bar04:33
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DaSkreechTheHighChild: Ah Good point. Astute04:33
eeosTheHighChild: settings > toolbars > location toolbar04:34
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eeosTheHighChild: does that work?04:34
TheHighChildeeos: That is not in the list04:34
eeos TheHighChild: what is in the list?04:35
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BluesKajI'm trying to logout of Kubuntu but it's not responding...is there another cnd I can use to shut it down without causing problems ?04:37
BluesKajcmd04:37
TheHighChildeeos: http://www.milkspank.com/ubuntu/toolbars.png04:37
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BluesKaj!logout04:38
ubotuI know nothing about logout - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu04:38
BluesKajdamn~!04:38
TheHighChildBluesKaj: 'sudo halt'04:38
TheHighChildthat will power down04:38
mark_my sound only wokrs when i don't plug my webcam in, this has something to do with the integrated microphone of the webcam i think... sometimes when I start and the cam is plugged it works and in the volume control it shows "ca0106" which is the cam and "USB Device", but sometimes there is only "USB Device" and "USB device - oss control". now how can i make the computer know that i want the microphone of the cam and my soundcard to work and n04:38
emonkey-pBluesKaj, sudo shutdown -h will shutdown your system immediately, sudo reboot will reboot the system immediately04:38
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BluesKajthx  guys04:39
eeos TheHighChild: is not there04:40
emonkey-pseems like it works :)04:40
eeos TheHighChild:  :-(04:40
TheHighChildeeos: thus my problem04:40
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TheHighChildit's horribly annoying. I hate everyone other ftp and fish client04:40
TheHighChildevery*04:40
eeos TheHighChild: I have to get a look at it04:41
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mark_oops, sorry ca0106 is the sound card04:42
eeosTheHighChild: what happens if you do settings > configure toolbars04:43
TheHighChildeeos: http://www.milkspank.com/ubuntu/tools2.png04:44
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TheHighChildDoes anyone know of a more konqueror specific irc chat?04:45
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justjoshkonversation?04:46
eeoskonversation04:46
mark_konversation !04:46
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TheHighChildORLY?04:47
eeos!konversation04:48
ubotuI know nothing about konversation - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu04:48
eeosoooops, have to leave!04:48
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[Wiebel] Hello04:48
[Wiebel] I've just installed kde (apt-get install kde) in ubuntu04:48
[Wiebel] and now I want to get my multimedia keys to work04:49
justjoshwhy not just install kubuntu?04:49
justjoshbut anyway...04:49
DaSkreech[Wiebel] : You should apt-get install kubuntu-desktop04:49
[Wiebel] justjosh: i didn't want the splash screen and kdm and stuff04:49
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[Wiebel] (bootsplash that is)04:49
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[Wiebel] Kmilo should be configurable , right?04:49
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mark_so nobody knows how i could get my soundcard to work with the webcam?04:50
Moo_Moohttp://wlserver1-he.gindis.com/modules.php?name=WLAccount&file=visitor&op=game&userid=MzU4Ng== gindis game the best game on online04:50
DaSkreechWhy does the webcam need a soundcard?04:51
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mark_it doesn't04:51
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DaSkreechAh that's what I though04:51
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dragica#pitaubuntu-h04:52
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mark_but sometimes (it seems to be randomly) the sound works (and i can see it in the volume control) and sometimes it doesn't04:52
mark_but when i do not connect the webcam sound always works04:52
bojanare the kde 3.5.4 packages for Kubuntu dapper fixed, with relation to the default-settings bug?04:53
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mark_you see daskreech?04:54
DaSkreechwhich webcam?04:54
mark_umm04:54
mark_Logitech Quick Cam Zoom04:54
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mark_and it works fine, but it seems to block the sound but only sometimes!04:55
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[Wiebel] nobody who can tell me how to configure my MM keys under kde?04:56
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[Wiebel] (gnome just works)04:56
Bud_Spencerinstall lineak-kde04:57
Bud_Spencershould work04:57
[Wiebel] what is it? :)04:57
TheHighChild[Wiebel] : Kmenu > System Settings > Regional & Accessibility04:58
[Wiebel] TheHighChild: and then what? :)04:58
Bud_Spencera packege apt-get install lineak-kde04:58
[Wiebel] Bud_Spencer: yeah, but what is linEAK?04:58
DaSkreechhave you done a search on google to find out if the Quick Zoom is a known problem child?04:58
Bud_SpencerIts a programm with which you can configure your keyboard also your MM-keys04:59
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mark_ok you got me :)04:59
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mark_i only searched for the sound card since the cam works fine04:59
TheHighChild[Wiebel] : http://www.tannerstokes.com/2006/08/02/getting-those-multimedia-keys-to-work-in-kubuntu/05:00
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[Wiebel] TheHighChild: yeah, but that's not the right way05:00
[Wiebel] I know it works perfecly in deault kubuntu05:01
DaSkreech:-)05:01
farousmark_: can you tell me more about your sound problem. you said it worked sometimes other not what programs you were running when it worked and what programs when it were not05:01
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DaSkreechWell it's the webcam not making the sound work acording to your theory :)05:01
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helfrezbojan: for the most part i think they are, but the 354 packages definately still need alot of testing..they have been a bit buggy for me so far05:01
mark_it does not depend on programmes at all05:01
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mark_with the webcam connected:05:01
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farousmark_: is it when you run two programs using the sound?05:01
mark_i start the computer when i hear if it get this weird bongo sound or not05:02
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mark_i can restart from there without changing anything and sound might work05:02
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mark_and the difference is that if sound works in the volume control i can change the settings for "ca0106" (the soundcard) and some "usb device" (which is the mic of the cam)05:03
farousmark_: some programs use the old oss sound system which do not alow sound mixing. ie the usage of the sound card by two programs05:03
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mark_yup but that works fine, if the card is visible in the volume control05:04
farousmark_: here you go when you hook the mic of the cam it uses the sound card and block any program from using it05:04
albertoCiao a tutti. Ho installato Kubuntu. Vorrei montare una partizione del disco su cui ho dei dati da salvare. Il mio vecchio sistema non parte pi. Avevo impostato dei privilegi di lettura e scrittura per utente. Come faccio a recuperare i dati da quelle cartelle?05:04
DaSkreech!it05:04
ubotuVai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!05:04
albertoexcuse me. try in English05:04
DaSkreech:-)05:04
Bud_Spenceror urdu05:05
abattoiralberto: are you asking about data recovery? :P05:06
mark_i think the problem is some limitation of "sound devices" to two and a random choice of whether it's the soundcard or the mic or the mic in oss05:06
abattoirTheHighChild: got the location bar thing sorted out?05:06
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albertoI've a system with some folders that I have to save. This system don't boot anymore, so I have to mount the partition from another installation in the same HD. On the old system I've many setup with authority per user. So, How can I read from theese protected folder from the new system?05:08
dreamthiefhi everybody05:08
bojanhelfrez: what problems?05:08
DaSkreechalberto: Try sudo su05:08
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DaSkreechalberto: Then you can go anywhere05:08
Bud_Spenceralberto: in terminal sudo nautilus05:09
albertoso I can mount without any restriction?05:09
TheHighChildabattoir: well, I did a dpkg-reconfigure on everything konqueror. then fired it up and it was cool. I was launching it from my  internet applications menu and replaced the offending startup command with plain old 'Konqueror' so, in short, I have no idea wtf is gooing on05:09
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abattoirTheHighChild: hah, i just read the last line... hope its enough :)05:10
dreamthiefcan somebody tell me why Kubuntu mounts my external usb harddisk in a way that only root can access it?05:10
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TheHighChildit works when I use 'konqueror &' but not whatever is in the Internet apps menu by default05:10
Bud_Spencerno if it mounted, the partition, try "sudo chmod -R ugo=rwx /media/drive"05:10
helfrezbojan: i use kontact for mail/calendaring...mainly because its the only linux setup that syncs perfectly with my treo at the moment05:10
DaSkreechBud_Spencer: Or konqueror05:10
helfrezand its been crashing alot05:10
abattoirTheHighChild: Konq in kubuntu comes w/ 2 view profiles... one for file management and another for webbrowsing05:11
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DaSkreechalberto: only restrictions that make sense05:11
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bojanok05:11
farousdreamthief: are you in plugev group05:11
farousdreamthief: type groups in a terminal05:11
abattoirTheHighChild: my guess is that the location bar is missing for the file mgmt. view, while it is present for the web brwsng. view05:11
harmentalhi everybody...05:11
TheHighChildabattoir: but I was launching the one in the Internet menu. lol05:12
dreamthiefyes, I am in this group05:12
TheHighChildSo it goes, I am not too worried. It's working for me now. I just like it for ftp and fish so as long as I have a work-around I am happy05:12
abattoirTheHighChild: yes, that'd launch 'konqueror' (kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing)05:12
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mikearthurthis is perhaps a stupid question05:13
mikearthurbut can you upgrade the software on the live cd?05:13
abattoirTheHighChild: hehe, ok, as long as you are content, i dont want to confuse you :P05:13
TheHighChildabattoir: Yeah, that was it and that was without the address bar. WHen I just use 'konqueror' it starts fine05:13
TheHighChildI'm good, thanks for all of your help05:13
abattoirnp :)05:13
dreamthiefi am in this group but I can't access the usb disk ;) thats the point where confusion begins ... ;) @ farous05:14
TheHighChildI hadn't realized it started with different profiles. Now it makes sense, I must have a goofed inet profile05:14
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dreamthiefjoin #kubuntu-de05:15
dreamthiefoops ;)05:15
farousdreamthief: i am trying to think of something yet frankly do not know05:15
dreamthiefokay05:15
farousdreamthief: i still did not recieve my usb hard disk05:15
farous:)05:15
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dreamthiefis weird ...05:16
farousdreamthief: you can mount it manually though05:16
dreamthiefubuntu on my laptop mounts my harddisk user readable05:16
dreamthiefkubuntu on my desktop doesn't05:16
dreamthief...05:16
farousoh!05:16
farousthat is really strange05:16
dreamthiefyess ...05:17
Akane`Mahoru!seen shuriken05:17
ubotuI last saw Shuriken (n=alexandr@d213-103-195-139.cust.tele2.fr) 15h 34m 21s ago, quiting: Client Quit05:17
Akane`Mahoruoups05:17
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dreamthiefi even checked /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permission.rules05:17
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mikearthurWhats the current workaround for installing onto an XFS boot?05:17
dreamthiefusb harddisks should be readable by anyone in the plugdev group ...05:18
farousdreamthief: did you check it might be a reported bug05:18
dreamthiefbut my stupid harddisk is not user readable for any user in this group05:18
dreamthiefno, i din't yet05:19
dreamthiefbut thats a good point ...05:19
ThunderStruckmikearthur: if you wait til the 6.06.1 installer tesing is done it should be fixed int hat05:19
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the-mouseHi guys, I installed XGL on my kubuntu successfully but the controls doesn't work05:21
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mikearthurThunderStruck: can't wait till then05:21
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ThunderStruckmikearthur: oh than no ther eis no work around for it 6.06.1 should be out in few days to a wekk or so05:22
mikearthurok, fair enough, I'll do all the grub stuff manually05:22
davidhello ! how can i install java from www.java.com on ubuntu? the manuals did i found doenst work!05:24
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DaSkreechthe-mouse: THe controls?05:24
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mark_they work too god for me i always get in the corners with my mouse...05:25
the-mousefor example i cna't change the desktops with the cube05:25
the-mousecan't*05:25
Philip5david: the easiest way is to apt-get install the java packges you want05:25
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davidi have installed all java packages05:26
mikearthurThunderStruck: when you say its fixed, do you mean it doesn't crash the installer any more?05:26
DaSkreechthe-mouse: Alt_ctrl+Left05:26
farousdavid: java is in multiverse repos you can install it from there much easier05:27
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ThunderStruckmikearthur: most of the installer crashes have been fixed including the xfs one05:27
davidmsg nickserv register 035505:27
farousand do you mean java the lang or the java plugin for the web browser05:27
ThunderStruckdavid: /msg05:27
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farousdavid: and change your passwd05:27
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mikearthurThunderStruck: can I not just apt-get upgrade the installer from within the live cd then?05:27
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ThunderStruckmikearthur: no its not an upgrade its a new version05:28
ThunderStruckmikearthur: if i get ff up ill give you a link or 205:28
dek_aikhi..howto insert application in the bottom part of the kmenu (between Run and Log Out)?05:28
mikearthurThunderStruck: a link to the new installer?05:29
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ThunderStruckbiggest issues with livecd installer and when they will be fixed= https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity the point release still in testing= http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dapper/daily-live/current/05:30
the-mouseDaSkreech that doesn't wotk05:30
ThunderStruckmikearthur: there is one for kubuntu8 but i dont have that link here05:31
DaSkreechthe-mouse: Which window decorator are you using?05:31
the-mousedecorator?05:31
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Coby1985can no one help me with java ?05:32
Coby1985i have installed all packages05:32
DaSkreechDid you use the gnome window decorator or the kde?05:32
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DaSkreechCoby1985: Sup?05:32
the-mousekde05:32
DaSkreechok05:32
Gun_SmokeI05:32
DaSkreechWhich walkthrough did you follow?05:32
the-mousehttp://www.compiz.net/viewtopic.php?id=106705:33
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DaSkreechAh05:33
DaSkreechok05:33
DaSkreechYou may want to ask in #ubuntu-xgl05:33
Gun_SmokeI've decided to rejoin the the kde crew once again.05:33
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Coby1985https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java05:33
Coby1985it doenst work05:33
farous!java05:34
ubotujava is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository05:34
DaSkreechWhat doesn't work?05:34
the-mousei also can't chanhge between my input languages05:34
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Coby1985i cant open this page www.speedcheck.arcor.de05:34
the-mousethere is a "err" label instead of mu language flag in the ststray05:34
the-mousesystray*05:34
Gun_Smokejava won't work for PPC right?05:34
Gun_Smokeor was that just flash?05:35
DaSkreechCoby1985: Perhaps you haven't installed the browser plugin?05:35
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mikearthurhow can I kill something if kill -9 won't kill it?05:35
Coby1985no thats java05:36
Coby1985what browser plugin05:36
rljadept complained that it could not upgrade some package and shut down completely after i exited the dialog. now the apt database is wrongfully open. where can i find the lockfile to delete05:36
mark_what's "the best" non-linear video editing programme for linux?05:37
djclue917mark: kino?05:37
djclue917mark_: kino?05:37
mark_is that part of the name "?" ?05:37
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Jucatorlj: try entering this in the command line "sudo dpkg --configure -a"05:37
djclue917mark_: nope. i was just not sure..05:37
Coby1985http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp   >>>>> which version i can use05:38
Jucatodjclue917: the name is "kino" (no quotes)05:38
ubuntukikou05:38
ubuntufrensh pepole here ?05:38
mark_oh ok, thank you05:38
mark_frensh?05:38
ubuntufrench05:38
mark_moi chuis allemand05:38
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rljJucato: oh yeah. that's right. at least seems to be doing things now. (setting up the remanining unconfigured packages)05:39
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ubuntutu parle bien frech :/05:39
djclue917Jucato: yeah i know. i mean i wasn't sure if kino was THE best non-linear video editing program. anyways...05:39
rljJucato: i'm still new to apt. been using portage for quite a while though05:39
Jucatoaaaah05:39
DaSkreechCoby1985: did you apt-get the sun version?05:39
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Jucatorlj: it's ok. we were all new at one time05:39
rljlogging off now05:40
rljseems it does not like that kde is open05:40
Coby1985first i must find apt-get05:40
Coby1985i use ubuntu not so long05:40
JucatoCoby1985: what are you trying to do? (sorry just came in)05:41
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DaSkreechCoby1985: Or adept :)05:41
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Coby1985i want to open this page www.speedcheck.arcor.de05:41
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Coby1985and want to view some remote connections with VNC05:41
Coby1985i have adept05:42
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JucatoDaSkreech: If he's trying to install Sun's Java from the repositories, he shouldn't use Adept or Synaptic. There's a license agreement that needs to be confirmed which doesn't show in either Adept or Synaptic05:42
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drbreenjucato: it shows up in synaptic05:42
DaSkreechJucato: Good point :)05:42
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Jucatodrbreen: the License Agreement confirmation? last time I installed Java, it didn't05:43
DaSkreechI think it turns up in Adept as well if you have perl installed05:43
mark_can i import existing video files in kino?05:43
JucatoI don't think most freshly installed systems have perl. Not sure though05:43
DaSkreechThey don't05:43
DaSkreechCoby1985: Do you have multiverse?05:44
drbreenjucato: the last time i tried to install java per synaptic, i got the chance to not confirm the license agreement (license == unfree)05:44
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Coby1985what is multiverse ?05:45
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harmentalhow do you keep latex packages updated??05:45
DaSkreech!multiverse > Coby198505:45
Jucatodrbreen: would the installation continue of you didn't accept the license agreement? this is the new Sun Java05:45
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DaSkreechJucato: It doesn't05:45
Coby1985I use ubuntu not yet so long05:45
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abattoir!multiverse > Coby198505:46
drbreenjucato: it was on breezy, i declined and it did not continue05:46
abattoirCoby1985: that should give you the relevant info :)05:46
Gun_Smoke!multiverse > Gun_Smoke05:46
Jucatodrbreen: Dapper has a new version of Sun Java, the one with a more compatible license05:46
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abattoirDaSkreech: oops, sorry, didnt see your post :P05:46
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drbreenjucato: so what is the new license ?05:47
drbreenjucato: what does it say so that it is "compatible"05:47
uniqJucato: hi, any news on the media:/ stuff? i got your message about the HAL policy stuff not working.05:47
Jucatouniq: no luck, I gave up...05:48
draikHello Jucato05:48
drbreenabattoir: can i "pipe" the output of ubotu with "!something > username" ?05:48
Jucatoat least my system is still usable... just need to make some symlinks05:48
Jucatodraik: hi!05:48
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abattoirJucato, uniq : guys, see if downgrading hal works for you05:48
Jucatodrbreen: I'm not familiar with the exact license. I'll look up a reference for it05:48
Jucatoabattoir: how would I be able to do that?05:49
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draikJucato, I turned the lecture in #ubuntu-classroom on IRC into PDF. Just goes to show how much free time I have05:49
abattoirdrbreen:  yes, of course :)05:49
uniqabattoir: did it work for you? what version are you using?05:49
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Jucatodraik: lol... haven't had the chance to make a summary/review05:50
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abattoirJucato, uniq : i havent tried it myself, but someone else was here earlier in the day, w/ the media:/ problem among other things(hal-related)05:50
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oklinuxhow can I make my onboard sound card to work ?05:51
Jucatoit's definitely HAL related... it's the only rational explanation :-D05:51
administradorhello05:51
administradori have a problem05:51
abattoirwe found that the hal which came w/ kde 3.5.4 in dapper was causing the issues, he went back to the one from the 'official' ubuntu repos, and everything was back to normal05:51
abattoirhe said he'd file a bug05:52
uniqabattoir: i got my apple bootstrap partition showing up by editing the HAL policies in /usr/share/hal/. Apple bootstrap partitions are special, though.05:52
Jucatoabattoir: I wish I knew how to downgrade05:52
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uniqJucato: you're running dapper?05:52
administradoranybody help me05:52
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Jucatoabattoir: I also wish he would file the bug report... I'm traumatized from filing bug reports05:52
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Jucatoadministrador: what's the problem?05:53
Jucatouniq: not right now... I'm on XP... @_@05:53
uniqJucato: you have the problem in dapper?05:53
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administradorI have 2 partitions05:53
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administradorone with XP and another with Kubuntu05:53
Jucatouniq: yep in Dapper05:53
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DaSkreechThe power of Libre compels you!05:54
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DaSkreechadministrador: I fail to see the problem05:55
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aileanhey, i'm looking for a Borland/Inprise style C/C++ IDE. what should i use?05:56
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aileanwith GUI05:56
administradorbut I want to put for defect the Windows XP to boot automaticaly05:56
Jucatodrbreen: I can't seem to remember the link about Sun Java, but since it's in multiverse, too05:56
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Jucatoailean: I think KDevelop is worth a try?05:56
abattoirJucato: http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/pool-dapper/extra/hal/ has the packages 3.5.4 installs05:56
damian_or anjuta05:56
aileanthanks Jucato05:56
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abattoirJucato: forgive me... my brains have stopped working.... if you downgrade hal, KDE will stop working, all hell will break loose05:58
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Jucatodrbreen: found it from the blog of Mark Shuttleworth himself: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/3805:58
uwowant to try gnome - does n1 know how to install it without getting all the gnome apps in the kmenu? i saw a good solution once before on the forums, but can't remember what and where.05:58
Jucatoabattoir: well... it's ok...05:58
dr_willisHmm. I just normlly install ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop and have a blast with all the stuff. :P heck with minimal systems!05:59
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DaSkreechadministrador: rEAD Up on Grub06:00
Jucatouwo: to install GNOME/Ubuntu: "sudo aptitude update" then "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop". Then you could probably use a program like "K Menu Gnome" ( http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31031) to clean up the menu...06:00
administradorI have 2 OS - Kubunto and Windows XP06:00
administradorbut the Kubunto06:01
administradordoing boot automatically06:01
uwojucato - tnx. exactly what i needed :)06:01
administradorbut i want the WinXP06:01
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dr_willisadministrador,  you can edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst and set it to load whatever ya want by default06:01
draikadministrador, you can select what you want to boot from grub. You have 10s to decide06:02
administradorwhat06:02
administradorsorry06:02
dr_willisthe line 'default = #' where # is the menu entry to boot by default.     Note that Grub starts counting at zero. so the menu entry for windows will be   the # of entrys -106:02
administradori don't understand06:02
administradorsorry06:02
adna"Connection to CUPS server failed." -Sound familiar?06:03
dr_willisEdit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file administrador     and set the default boot entry.06:03
dr_willisadna,   you using the cups web interface?06:03
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draikadministrador, cual es tu idioma?06:03
adnaPrinYes.06:03
administradorPT06:03
Jucatoadministrador: maybe this could help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/ChangeDefaultOS?highlight=%28grub%2906:03
adnaI mean KDE Control Center.06:04
dr_willisadna,  ive never had good luck with the kde printer config tools. :()06:04
adnadr_willis: -and many people are bummed about CUPS right now...06:04
dr_willisadna,  i reenable the cups web interface on every system  i install.06:05
adnaHow do you do that?06:05
dr_willisthe ubuntu devs sort of screwed up big time with some of their cups decisions.06:05
dr_willis:P06:05
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dek_aikhi.....anybody knows how to insert menu in the bottom part of the Kmenu (between "Run Command" and "Log Out")?06:05
Jucatodek_aik: as far as I know, you can't insert customized menu entries.06:06
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Jucatodek_aik: you can only choose from a predefined set06:06
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dr_willisinfo on the crippling of CUPS in dapper  and how to fix it back to normal -->  http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/210706:06
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dr_willisKDE has a lot of config files and things ya can proberly tweek to change the menus.. but thats more for systemadmins to limit the users.06:07
dr_willisI saw a KDE KOISK mode tutorial once that changed a lot of things. but not sure if that was for an older kde or not.06:07
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adnadr_willis: Thanks!06:07
dek_aikJucato: really?...its too bad...i want to insert a script there06:07
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administrador<jucato> Thanks by site06:08
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administradorbut06:08
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administradorthat commands06:08
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administradorwere I writte06:08
administradorafter the boot06:08
administradoror before06:09
administradorwhere I writte06:09
hagusThanks again to those who helped me regain control of my router :)06:09
dr_willisadministrador,  you are not being very clear.06:09
Jucatoadministrador: do those commands when you are in Kubuntu. then after edint menu.lst, you have to reboot06:09
draikadministrador, write the boot number that belongs to your winxp boot06:09
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_martinGot a problem with my CD drive... Kubuntu doesn't appear to mount any CD's anymore. Where might I start my investigation into this?06:10
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draik_martin, check /media06:10
draikI had a similar issue a while back06:10
Jucato_martin: what version of KDE are you using?06:10
admin__j/ #zawiercie06:11
administrador<draik>: which is the boot number that belongs to my xp boot06:11
admin__sorry :-)06:11
draikI don't know06:12
hagusAnyone here with experience of adding a linux machine to a winxp home network, so that (1) the winxp computers can print to linux machine's printer and (2) to let linux machine see the windows computers?06:12
Jucatoadministrador: you have to count it by yourself. You're the only one who sees your menu.lst06:12
draikadministrador, I don't know how many options you have. If you have 3 for linux and 1 for xp, then it's number 306:12
_martinJucato: not actually sure... hoe would I check. It would be from the CD verion of breezy badger.06:12
Jucatooooh06:12
Jucatoyou're using Breezy Badger (Kubuntu 5.10)?06:13
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_martinyes06:13
_martinI'm about to go to 6.06 but want to back some stuff up06:13
_martinwithout a CD drive working i'm slightely miffed.06:13
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gan|y|medhello06:14
administradorok, but i want to know edit this commands --> ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/ChangeDefaultOS?highlight=%28grub%29 )06:14
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administradorI want Know and Where06:15
_martinunder /media I do have a shortcut to cdrom and a folder for cdrom0 but both of these are empty, even with a CD loaded06:15
dreamthief_martin, why don't you try a dist-upgrade with the dapper-repos to upgrade breezy to dapper without a fresh dapper installation?06:15
gan|y|medsince i updated kde (i suppose it is the update, as everthing had worked fine before), i cannot print from openoffice. all apps using the kde printing facility work. any ideas?06:15
DaSkreechhagus: Guess you haven't  gotten that kiss yet ;-)06:16
draik_martin, they may look empty, but go into them (cdrom0 primarily)06:16
dr_willisadministrador,  when you see your grub Menu - you COUNT the # of entrys..  if  the boot windws entry is  #6 = then you want 'default  5'        if its  #4  then ya want default 306:16
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administradordr_willis: can you are more clear in your opinion, please06:18
hagusHey, DaSkreech, I was really in hotwater earlier :)06:18
DaSkreechdr_willis: I think he doesn't know how to edit :)06:18
draikadministrador, open a Run Console and type 'sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst' and read what you have for boot options06:18
DaSkreechhagus: What do you mean when you say have Linux see the windows ?06:18
_martindraik: they are very empty, I'm showing hidden files and have root access. There is nothing.06:18
dr_willisadministrador,  sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst and make the changes that page mentions.. I really cant get any more clear then that.06:18
hagusI reset the router without remembering how to get it going again :)06:18
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_martindreamthief: not a bad idea... do you think dist-upgrade might fix whatever is damaged?06:19
administradorok, Now I Understand06:19
draik_martin, that was my issue. I couldn't see it on my desktop like I usually did, but upon going into /media it was there06:19
administradorThanks!!!06:19
dr_willishence the use of the term 'edit the file' :)06:19
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hagusWhen I am using linux on my machine (I can boot in either linux or winxp at startup), I want my wife's machine (e.g.) to show up in whatever is the samba manager.06:20
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draikdr_willis, still a bit unclear about what you are trying to say... can you elaborate?!?! Sorry06:20
dreamthief_martin, yes, i think so ...06:20
dr_willisdraik,  huh? what do you mean? what does 'a' mean? :P06:20
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draikdr_willis, what's with all the words??? AAAAAHHHHHHHHH :P06:21
hagusBasically I want a simple home network that allow the winxp-based computers to show up in the lan manager of linux and vice-versa :)06:21
_martindreamthief, having said that.. I would like to backup before upgrading.. be it with CD or anything. So this just takes me back to problem number one.06:21
dr_willis'lan manager' ?06:21
DaSkreechhagus: try typing smb:/ in the konqueror window06:21
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DaSkreechdr_willis: his main problem is printing.06:22
dr_willisor some of the other samba browser tools. :P06:22
DaSkreechAsk his wife ;-)06:22
hagusDaSkreetch - you is a genius, man :)06:22
dreamthiefdo you have different partitions for /home, / etc? @ _martin06:22
dreamthiefor is everything stored on one partition?06:22
_martinno, eveything is on one partition.06:23
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_martinIt's possible a dependency has been damaged... libc6 broke on me a while ago and adpet very kindly made things worse by uninstalling everything that depended on it...06:24
_martinI stopped it before too much damage was casused, but still a lot of things appear to have gone wrong.06:24
hagusI can see my daughter's machine and various directories.06:24
_martinUSB devices also won't mount.06:24
_martinjust checked.06:24
hagusMy wife's machine, I can see but she does not let me see any of her directories :(06:24
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hagusSo, the lan thing works even more easily on linux than on windows.06:25
DaSkreechhagus: heeheeheee06:25
dr_willisif she dont have any shared ya wont see any. :P06:25
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dr_willistheres also several alternative samba browser tools out.. and ways to acces  the samba shares.06:25
draikhagus, everything is easier than windows06:25
DaSkreechdr_willis: Windows computers can print through cups?06:25
draikyes06:26
DaSkreechdraik: Installing WoW :)06:26
draikDaSkreech, I do that06:26
hagusdraik - I only wish that that were true in my own experience lol06:26
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draikhagus, give it some time and you'll catch on really quick06:26
DaSkreechdraik: Sweet. Can you help hagus get affection :)06:26
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BluesKajkde doesn't see my cd/dvd drive in systems settings !06:27
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draikDaSkreech, hagus has a wife, I have a girlfriend and I don't think his wife would appreciate it much06:28
bob_hello, anyone can help with Kopete charsets?06:28
hagusI am able to print to my HP1100 via linux but have not yet tried seeing whether I can send a document from a windows machine to my printer when I am running linux.  However, I am about to try soon.06:28
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aephi any ideas why my Horiz/Vert settings in xorg.conf are ignored with kubuntu's X server but work fine on any other distri ?06:28
draikhagus, if you need help with that let me know06:28
DaSkreechdraik: There you go :) And if you follow hagus's trail I'm sure his wife would apprectite it very much :)06:28
BluesKajanyone? kde doesn't see my cd/dvd drive in systems settings !06:29
draikDaSkreech geez....06:29
DaSkreech:-D06:29
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dr_willisfor you cups users - ya may want to read at ---->  http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2117/06:29
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DaSkreechBluesKaj: does it turn up in the BIOS?06:29
hagusty DaSkreech and draik :)06:30
BluesKajit's ok in windows06:30
draikyou're welcome hagus06:30
draikhagus, I have networked a printer with windows <-> windows, windows <-> linux and linux <-> linux06:30
draikhagus, let me know when you're going to be working with the printer and I will help you set it up for sharing06:31
DaSkreechdraik: Never linux <-> windows?06:31
gan|y|medsince i updated kde (i suppose it is the update, as everthing had worked fine before), i cannot print from openoffice. all apps using the kde printing facility work. any ideas?06:31
DaSkreechBluesKaj: Do you have a /dev/cdrom ?06:31
BluesKajDaSkreech,no06:31
draikDaSkreech, I did. Why not?06:31
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DaSkreechdraik: Just checking06:32
DaSkreechBluesKaj: Hmm that's Funky. What Cdrom?06:32
gan|y|medok, simple06:32
gan|y|medi cannot print from openoffice. why?06:32
BluesKajthis is the message in System settings admin mode :An error occurred during your last kde upgrade leaving an orphaned control module06:33
draikDaSkreech, I used CUPS to do it and I managed to share the printer as I saw fit for whatever OS I'm running06:33
draikDaSkreech, I only keep winxp on this desktop for my gf. Other than that it would have been long gone06:33
DaSkreechSweet :) I got cups running across a network for multiple computers and felt pretty good about myself :)06:33
DaSkreechCourse I never print06:33
draiksame here06:33
draikI print06:34
DaSkreechdraik: Why does she need it?06:34
DaSkreechBluesKaj: Which KDe?06:34
draikShe feels intimidation from The Tux06:34
BluesKajdunno DaSkreech06:35
gan|y|medso does anybody have problems with printing from openoffice?06:35
DaSkreechYou don't know which KDE you upgraded to?06:35
gan|y|medlike clickung on print and nothing happens...06:35
DaSkreechdraik: give her a Tux doll to ease her over :)06:35
draikgan|y|med, I don't have any issues with printing06:35
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gan|y|med3.5.2 i think. the latest06:35
hagusdraik, I am back - my experiment was not successful.06:36
BluesKajI didn't purposely upgrade KDE , DaSkreech06:36
DaSkreechBluesKaj: Did you upgrade anything?06:36
hagusI guess that I need to set up the linux part of it first?06:36
gan|y|medkubuntu packages, dapper. printing over cups 1.2.2 (i think) over ipp. it used to work06:36
BluesKajjust apt06:36
hagusI have had a windows network already.06:36
draikDaSkreech, I think I will give her that Tux doll... something about 6'1 would do fine...06:36
draik*6'11"06:36
draikHagus06:36
hagusIt still works when I boot my cmputer from windows06:37
draikhere is what you need to do06:37
dr_willisCUPS has been tweaked/crippled in dapper a little bit.   http://www.kdedevelopers.org/blog/418    mentions how to restore it back to a more normal/sane default cups setup.06:37
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DaSkreechBluesKaj: You used apt to upgrade or you upgraded apt?06:37
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BluesKajDaSkreech, KDE vers is 3.5.306:37
DaSkreechOk06:37
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administradorIn this site   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/ChangeDefaultOS?highlight=%28grub%29  they order to edit menu.Ist06:37
gan|y|meddr_willis: i know this. but why the hell doesn't it work anymore? it has worked in dapper. i got it working yesterday for all kde apps06:37
draikDaSkreech, she's at work right now. She won't be home for another 9 hours. That's not a bad idea. I will just sit and wait by her door06:38
BluesKajjust the repos06:38
hagushagus does have slow learning skills.06:38
draikwhat have you done so far hagus?06:38
administradorbut my OS doesn't it leave06:38
draikhagus, actually let me know your configuration. Printer connects to what OS and what is the other OS you want to share it to06:38
dr_willisadministrador,  Huh?06:39
hagusI have managed with DaSkreech's advice to look at the winxp puters using Samba06:39
draikdr_willis, wasn't that clear enought for you?!?!06:39
dr_willisdraik,  Huh? :)06:39
hagusOk - printer is connected to linux machine06:39
administradorI want edit: /boot/grub/menu.lst06:39
draikhagus, what is the other computer?06:39
dr_willisadministrador,  sudo kedit  /boot/grub/menu.lst06:39
hagusother computers are xp06:39
dr_willisor06:39
administradorbut my Kubuntu doesn't permit06:39
dr_willisadministrador,  sudo kate  /boot/grub/menu.lst06:39
dr_willisfrom the terminal.06:40
hagusI have desktops and laptops06:40
administradorWhen I make Save06:40
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hagusAll run xp.06:40
administradorappears one message06:40
hagusI just added kubuntu on this one (which normally runs winxp).06:41
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administradorsays: "You don't have permition to save the file"06:41
DaSkreechadministrador: What did you edit it with?06:41
administradorI want change06:41
administradordefault 0 ...06:41
administradorto06:41
administradordefault 5 ...06:41
hagusHowever, since I can only boot up linux or windows, what I am looking for is something that will enable me to network when I am running linux.06:41
dr_willisadministrador,  note the EXACT COMMAND we were telling you to use.....    'sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst'          - enter THAT in a shell. to edit that file.   Note the use of SUDO06:42
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gan|y|medok, that doesn't bring much06:43
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BluesKajkde is down again06:46
BluesKajkde.org06:46
h3sp4wnhagus: Wireless network ?06:46
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MilhousePunkRockGood evening everyone!06:47
gan|y|medi am sorry for saying this again ( i am despaired), but could anybody think of a reason, why printing would work from kde apps but not from openoffice (other than ooo not being a "native")06:47
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gan|y|med?06:48
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dr_willisgan|y|med,  perhaps theres a OOo setting to use the CUPS system?06:48
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gan|y|mednot much to change there. i have change from stcolor (gimpprint i think) to gutenprint... could this be a reason?06:49
dr_willisno idea. I tend to use abiword.06:49
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gan|y|mednot really an alternative for me, i think06:49
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aep any ideas why my Horiz/Vert settings in xorg.conf are ignored with ubuntu's X server but work fine on any other distri ?06:52
aepoh that whas the old quastion06:52
aep why does Xorg ( only the org of ubuntu) ognore any vert/refresh  settings in xorg.conf  ( i didnt start any thnird party programm with Xorg, just the pure Xorg is configured with 75Hz and starts with 85)06:52
dr_willishow are you even testing/proveing that aep ?06:53
aepDISPLAY=":0"  xrandr06:53
aepgives back 1024x768@8506:54
dr_willisand you want it to be 75?06:54
aepyes06:55
gan|y|medbtw, how do i get those nice small 2 line icons back on my task bar?06:55
dr_willisit could be its seeing you rmonitor cxan handle higher/more (X is getting the specs from the monitor) so its using those.06:55
aepdr_willis: i comnfigured corect refrashe rate06:55
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Smooph!mp306:56
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats06:56
aepbecouse my monitor doesnt support 8506:56
dr_willisbut X can get the info straight from the monitor.   I aint messed with it in ages.06:56
dr_willisOdd that its reading it wrong.06:56
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aepworks on non-ubuntu distris06:56
h3sp4wnMy monitor is supposed to run at 60 (but can run at 75) the only way I can get it run correctly is with the right modeline06:56
aepdid you patch Xorg with some extra stuff?06:56
dr_willisboot a live cd. and see what their xorgs look like.06:56
aepcrapy06:56
aepwith ubuntu live cd06:57
dr_willisI never patched anything.06:57
aepworks fine with knoppix06:57
aepwell you=developers06:57
dr_williscopy/compare its xorg over.06:57
dr_willisIm not a developer in any way shapw or form.06:57
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dr_willis:)06:57
aepye ok :)06:57
dr_willisIm a hobbiest.06:57
aepmy xorg.conf is ok its the same i have with gentoo and this works, on the same version of Xorg06:57
dr_willisIve 'borrowed' xorg configs from different live cd's and compared them.06:57
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dr_willisyou are using the ideitical xorg.conf file?06:58
aepyes06:58
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dr_williswhat video card is this?06:58
aepnvidia06:58
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DaSkreechgan|y|med: You mean getting the icons in two lines instead of one?06:58
dr_willisYou got the nvidia drivers installed?06:59
gan|y|medyes06:59
aepdr_willis: yep06:59
aepdr_willis: glx is on, everything fine06:59
BluesKajwhat's the cmd for installing tar.bz2 files ?06:59
gan|y|medit was changed with the last update06:59
dr_williscould be a bugglet with the nvidia drivers, or xorg.  but not sure how to prove it either way. But a live cd should NOT be setting its xorg.conf to use the 'nvidia' driver.06:59
opsidaoBluesKaj: bz2 files are not to be installed by any con crete program06:59
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opsidaojust compressed files06:59
gan|y|medyoi cannot "install" them07:00
aepdr_willis: nope dosnt work with vesa either07:00
aliasfredBluesKaj: tar xvjf yourfilename.tar.bz207:00
DaSkreechgan|y|med: Configure the panel to use a custom size of 48 pixels07:00
gan|y|medbut that will just give you the decompressed file07:00
gan|y|medDaSkreech: thx, i'll try it07:00
DaSkreechsure07:00
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BluesKajthx guys07:01
h3sp4wnaep: Modeline "1024x768@75" 85.52 1024 1056 1376 1408 768 782 792 807 (put that in section "monitor" - and change all instances of 1024x768 in section "screen" to 1024x768@7507:01
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aepi dont like it but i will try07:01
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aepgonne read on modelines didnt need them till now07:03
gan|y|medDaSkreech: what icons exactly. the ones for the desktop are already 48 pixels of size. and there is no custom option07:03
Smoophh3sp4wn: what exactly do you want ?07:03
DaSkreechgan|y|med: Where are you?07:03
DaSkreechgan|y|med: the config for panel?07:03
h3sp4wnSmooph: huh ?07:04
aliasfredhelper/helpee confusion is my guess :)07:04
Smoophh3sp4wn: I saw your post and did not see your question what do you want ?07:04
Smoophohhh ok!07:04
Smoophsry about that07:04
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gan|y|medit's called "look" here07:05
filippointerna07:07
DaSkreechgan|y|med: Umm.. ok Well look in the config for the panel and change the size to 48 pixels :)07:08
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gan|y|medsorry, cannot find it07:10
gan|y|medyou mean panel like panel with all the menus, right? (translated version)07:10
Tokeiitolabas vakaras07:10
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XVampireXXGL in Kubuntu = good idea?07:11
XVampireXI mean, does it work well?07:11
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haiderXVampireX: Yes07:12
dr_willisI would pass on it  XVampireX  :P07:12
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haiderit works fine07:12
aliasfredi have to set it up to try, but i get over the fear to break it :)07:12
dr_willisi see way too many people saying it dont work fine. Lol! :P07:12
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dr_willisSo i guess 'it depends'07:13
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haiderXVampireX: http://flavor8.com/index.php/2006/06/02/how-to-compizxgl-on-kubuntu-dapper-nvidia/ <--- this works fine07:14
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XVampireXhaider: thanks :)07:14
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dr_willispay atteition to what you enable.. so you can undo it later.07:14
haiderXVampireX: Np! ;)07:14
dr_willis:)07:14
h3sp4wnXVampireX: What video card are you using ?07:15
haiderXVampireX: Btw, you have nvidia or ati?07:15
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XVampireXnvidia07:15
haiderthen it should work fine07:15
XVampireXI'm lucky cause ATI drivers suck07:15
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haiderit did here07:15
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ErikTheRedthe ATI drivers aren't as bad as some would lead you to believe07:16
gan|y|medmaybe you should try the latest ones07:16
ErikTheRedthey've gotten tons better recently07:16
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opsidaowhen they allow GXL+Composite maybe I'll give a try to ATI07:16
aliasfredErikTheRed: in relation with them being bought by amd, or completly unrelated ?07:17
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XVampireXErikTheRed: I heard they really got better, but they still suck... Last time I talked to someone with ATI drivers couldn't even play half decently in Sauerbraten07:17
ErikTheRedoh i'll agree nvidia drivers still win hands down07:17
ErikTheRedi only own nvidia cards07:18
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ErikTheRedbut from what my friend has told me they have gotten better in some areas07:18
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dr_willisI hope the possible AMD+ATI merger will smack ATI in the head so they get better linux support.07:18
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ErikTheRedyeah but we won't see any tangible results from that merger for a least another year or two07:18
aliasfreddr_willis: amd is quite linux friendly, no ?07:19
MasterBrackhi all... i'm having some problems with my audio.  i can hear input from my mic, but i'm not getting any mp3 playback07:19
XVampireXYeah, they should be07:19
dr_willisaliasfred,  compared to how INTEL treats everyone.. (including Linux)  Yes. :P07:19
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XVampireX!mp3 > MasterBrack07:19
dr_willisThey all could be more Linux-friendly!07:19
mighty-dhi, i have a little problem running tvtime, i can get it to work if i go sudo tvtime , i want to be able to run tvtime without sudo, how can i change tvtime to a video group so i can run it being a regular user?, i changed tvtime to video group and i'm on that group too, but even if tvtime starts i get no video07:19
aliasfreddr_willis: :)07:19
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dr_willismighty-d,  could be a permission on a /dev/entry thats causing theproblem07:20
gan|y|medok, thx a lot. ciao07:20
ErikTheRedMasterBrack: what are you using to play your MP3s?07:20
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MasterBrackamarok07:20
ErikTheReddid you install the necessary codecs to play MP3s?07:20
MasterBracki tried xmms as well07:20
mighty-dyes i think so, so i just have to change /dev/video0 to video group?07:21
MasterBrackyeah i just installed a codec pack07:21
XVampireXMasterBrack: did ubotu send a PM?07:21
MasterBrackyeah07:21
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XVampireXSo follow it07:21
aliasfredMasterBrack: what about free format like .ogg, do you hear them ok ?07:21
mighty-ddr_willis yes i think so, so i just have to change /dev/video0 to video group?07:21
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uniqmighty-d: is it not in the video group by default?07:21
mighty-ddr_willis wait i'll check it out07:22
aliasfredMasterBrack: in fact my question, is do you hear any sound from your computer, except the echo from your mic07:22
MasterBrackno07:22
MasterBrackjust the input from mic07:22
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dr_willismighty-d,  or ya could 'suid' the binary07:22
ErikTheRedno KDE sounds or anything?07:22
MasterBrackso obviously the sound works, i just have a feeling i have something configured wrong07:22
MasterBrackno kde sounds07:22
MasterBrackthe only sounds i get are from pc speaker07:22
mighty-ddr_willis yes it is07:22
MasterBrackrather, the only sounds i get from kde come out of the pc speaker07:23
mighty-dcrw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2006-08-07 06:34 video007:23
ErikTheRedand you can hear things from the mic fine?07:23
MasterBrackyep07:23
MasterBrackperfectly07:23
dr_willismighty-d,  if the binary is suid it should be able to run as root.. but that could be a security issue.07:23
ErikTheRedstrange07:23
MasterBracki installed the libxine-extracodecs, and that didn't fix anything07:23
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MasterBrackyeah its wierd07:23
aliasfredther echoed microphone is likely only the sound card loop back, aka not even going thru the OS07:23
ErikTheRedwell if you're not even getting kde sounds it's probably not a codec issue07:23
MasterBrackyeah i figured as much07:23
mighty-ddr_willis: what should i do?07:23
haidermaybe alsa problem?07:23
aliasfredMasterBrack: your issue is the sound config, before the mp3 specific stuf07:24
MasterBrackyeah07:24
ErikTheRedany idea what sound card you are running?07:24
dr_willismighty-d,  try  sudo chmod +s /path/to/thatbinary     then see if ya can run it as a user.07:24
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MasterBracki have the soundblaster live 5.1 surround07:24
MasterBracksb0220 for specifics07:24
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mighty-ddr_willis: ok, im gonna do it, but this is the file before that -rwxr-xr-x 1 root video 438804 2006-04-30 09:42 tvtime07:24
ErikTheRedhmm i would think that would work out of the box07:24
ErikTheRedi know my audigy 2 zs did fine with no tweaks07:25
MasterBrackyeah i read that it works for most07:25
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ErikTheRedpop open the mixers and check to see what you have in there07:25
ErikTheRed*mixer07:25
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mighty-dI/O warning : failed to load external entity "/home/mighty-d/.tvtime/tvtime.xml"07:25
mighty-doops i haven't seen this07:25
MasterBrackwell, most things are turned up, because i figured i'd try to get any sound i could07:25
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MasterBracki wonder if its because i have another card built into my motherboard?07:26
ErikTheRedyou should probably disable the onboard sound in the bios if you haven't already07:26
MasterBrackor maybe it has to do with the 'master channel' i don't know07:26
MasterBracki haven't done that, least i don't think so07:26
ErikTheRedsometimes having two soundcards activated can cause problems07:27
MasterBrackok well i'll give that a shot real quick07:27
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ErikTheRedalright07:27
MasterBrackthanks so far... brb07:27
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aepanother question: glxgears is extremly slow07:30
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trappistaep: glxinfo | grep rendering07:31
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trappistaep: you can't really tell by looking at it.  you could be getting a million fps and you can't tell because your screen only refreshes, say, 60x per second07:31
mighty-ddr_willis: THANKS A LOT!!!07:32
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aepdri is enabled and all glxinfo look good07:32
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MasterBrackback07:32
ErikTheRedany luck?07:32
aepwell i'm gonne test it as soon as i have a gfx game installed07:32
MasterBrackdisabled the onboard; apparently last time i just disabled the front panel for audio07:32
MasterBrackgonna test in a second07:32
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MasterBrackyesssss07:32
MasterBrackthank you very much erik07:33
ErikTheRedglad that worked07:33
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MasterBracksweet07:33
MasterBracknow i can hear armin van buuren on surround07:33
MasterBrackthanks a ton07:33
ErikTheRednice, i like Armin too07:33
ErikTheRedanything to get away from the monotony of work07:33
aepwell ist so slow i didnt get a result within 15 minutes of run07:33
MasterBrackhaha07:33
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MasterBrackwell now that that works07:34
MasterBracki can go about my day07:34
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MasterBrackcan't do anything without music07:34
MasterBrackthanks again, peace07:34
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ErikTheRedlater07:34
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opsidaosome kubuntu core member here? I have a xdg related issue...07:37
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QMario_Will XSane make it possible to convert its scans to PDF?07:39
haiderMasterBrack: armin van buuren?07:39
Tokeiitowhat soft i can use for PC management using mic and voice07:40
haiderMasterBrack: I meet the guy some years ago in Denmark! :D07:40
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dr_willisQMario_,  ya get a huge pdf thats just a lot of large pictures. :P Joy!07:40
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_martinok.. I can manually mount CDs but k3b appears to be on the brink. Kubuntu can see and use CDs, K3b can't07:41
_martinI've tried re-installing.07:41
opsidao_ma07:41
opsidaoups07:41
opsidao_martin: have you tried running it with sudo07:41
_martinThat is how I'm running it, yes07:42
_martinI get k3b: ERROR: (K3bDevice::Device) Unable to do inquiry.07:42
opsidaono idead then :(07:42
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_martinK3b still loads, but says there is no writeable media07:42
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MrBallZhi, I have aproblem mounting an external USB drive on my server , thru NFS on my laptop, it tells me " Permision denied " and I have mounted another nfs share on the same server but that's a normal hdd inside the server, what can this be ?07:44
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justaguyhowdie, 1st time here .......07:46
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Agioswe've been waiting for you :)07:50
_martin... ok... for the past 15.. nay all day I've been loading apps through a terminal with sudo why now do I get ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting.???07:51
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uniq_martin: what does  'echo $DISPLAY' output?07:57
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pehses_martin you can use 'kdesu' instead, that will work07:58
MrBallZ_martin: maybe your in sudo mode,  type this in console   sudo -K  , and they try again ...07:59
pyretwhen i start gxine movie player it says that libX11.so is missing...can anyone help me please?08:00
_martinuniq, nothing...08:00
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_martinpehses, kdesu cannot connect to X server08:00
_martinand MrBallZ, that didn't work...08:01
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pehsesstrange...08:01
pansyhi folks08:01
_martinaah.. no. Sorry.. don't worry. I was running it from terminal as root. Not the logged on user.08:01
pyrethello08:02
pansyhow long will it take until kile 1.9 comes into the kubuntu repository?08:02
uniq_martin: try 'export DISPLAY=:0', then try again.08:02
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_martinuniq, ta. I've sorted it =)08:02
_martinI'm getting irritated and not thinking. That was the problem.08:03
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uniq_martin: if you did that with export, it will only last for that teminal session. however new terminal sessions may have  DISPLAY set correctly.08:03
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ollyhi08:04
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Tokeiitowhat software i can use for kubuntu control via voice?08:09
h3sp4wn!info kile edgy08:09
ubotukile: KDE Integrated LaTeX Environment. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1:1.9.1-1 (edgy), package size 1807 kB, installed size 6876 kB08:09
h3sp4wnpansy: end of october (looks like it is in edgy)08:10
farouspansy: if you have the backport repos you might check it if it was backported08:10
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Tokeiitoxm. ok. then: is it posible to control my Kubuntu with voice?08:13
fritschTokeiito: try kttsd08:14
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ubotuI know nothing about kttsd - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu08:14
opsidaofritsch: that's a text to speech daemon, isn't it?08:14
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opsidaonot exatcly what he asked for I think08:15
aliasfredKDE Accessibility Project - KTTS - KDE Text-to-Speech System <- this is text to speech08:15
fritschopsidao: text to speach system for kde08:15
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opsidaoso, it's not to control the computer with voice08:15
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aliasfredhe asked more some somthing like speech to text :)08:15
fritschaliasfred: perhaps it works? i do not know of a other08:15
fritschaliasfred: there are also some additional plugins08:16
CornelliusIs there an easy way to upgrade the kernel to a newer version ?08:16
aliasfredfritsch: maybe it works, in fact it likely works, simply it is not at all the same thing :)08:16
satemplerok the repos are really slow08:16
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aliasfredone  can read text loudely, while the other is able to write text as i say it :)08:16
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aliasfredinteresting just yesterday another guy was asking for the same feature08:17
satemplerthey are timing out on me and reporting that i am downloading at 12KB/s08:17
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satemplerwhat gives08:17
satemplerwhy have they been so slow for so long08:17
HawkwindChange mirrors.  They aren't slow here at all08:18
aliasfredbtw my dns doesnt answer to any kde.org, am i the only one ? i know other doesnt have this issue08:18
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satemplerthere are no mirrors for security.ubuntu.com08:19
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outquakehi every one!08:21
Tokeiitook thank you08:21
Tokeiitoi've found very good article about this08:21
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aliasfredTokeiito: really ? url ?08:22
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Tokeiitohttp://applications.linux.com/applications/05/01/18/2148234.shtml08:22
aliasfredthansk08:22
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aliasfredhttp://perlbox.org/ <- Perlbox Voice is an voice enabled application to bring your desktop under your command.08:25
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outquakeweirdo08:27
outquakehow a re you?08:27
satemplerok who is incharge of the security.ubuntu.com servers08:27
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magical_trevskyHi, I'm in the middle of an install and a little bit confused with the partitioning08:28
aepgfx is hell slow any idea?08:29
aepdri is set up08:29
Admiral_Chicagomagical_trevsky, is the system partitioned right now08:29
aepglxinfo is alright08:29
aepits a [GeForce FX 5200] 08:29
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TheGateKeepermagical_trevsky: manually partitioning?08:29
magical_trevskyI have a windows installation which I would like to keep, so have selected resize hda1 and use freed space, but is the slider adjusting the size of the windows partition, or for adjusting the size of the linux one to be made?08:29
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magical_trevsky(also, is this what I should be doing to preserve my windows installation (it uses ntfs)?)08:30
aepany ideas why its so slow even if dri and everything is fine08:30
aep?08:30
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satemplerok this is pissing me off i am trying to report a problem and I am not getting a response08:31
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magical_trevskyAdmiral_Chicago: there is just one big ntfs partition at the moment, which I would like to keep, but make smaller08:31
ErikTheRedmagical_trevsky: you're going to have to resize the partition08:31
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ErikTheRedi think the installer can do it (the alternate installer, not the desktop one)08:32
Admiral_Chicagoif you move the slider, it will do both, resize the windows partition and make a free space08:32
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ErikTheRedbut i've had problems with it not working in the past08:32
SurgerCan someone help me with Dapper's xorg and nvidia drivers? I cannot get xorg to load the glx module.08:32
narvik86no ntfs write support IMO08:32
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magical_trevskyright, so the slider is the size of the windows partition, not the size of the linux one to be made?08:32
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narvik86possible do resize ntfs partitions?08:33
ErikTheRedntfs-3g offers great ntfs write support08:33
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ErikTheRedSurger: are you trying to install the latest driver manually?08:33
SurgerErikTheRed: 8762 manually - but let me rather go ask in the xorg channel08:33
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ErikTheRedi couldn't get that damn driver to install properly either08:34
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ErikTheRedso  let me know if you find anything out, as i had the exact same error08:34
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hagusI am delighted with draik's painstakingly talking me through my networking difficulties.  He has been able to point me in the right direction and gave me hours of his own time to help me.  Thanks to draik.08:34
SurgerErikTheRed: Ok - I have to run a custom kernel so I have no other options. :(08:35
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draikyou're welcome hagus08:35
satemplerok this is pissing me off i am trying to report a problem and I am not getting a response08:35
ErikTheRedah i see08:35
hagusI shall report on further progress later, once I have been able to dislodge some of the other users from their machines :)08:35
ErikTheRedyeah i was trying to run 2.6.17 and that's when i ran into the driver not working08:35
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Johncro13okay, so I run ' wpa_supplicant -h' and I get an error about libc6 not being configured.  Anybody know about this?08:38
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aep3d performance is hell week with gf fx 5200.   glxinfo shows everything is fine08:39
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aephttp://rafb.net/paste/results/CSIRBF13.html08:40
aepglxinfo08:40
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magical_trevskyapparently partition number 2 is gonna be ext3, and 5 is gonna be swap, so what are 3 and 4? I'm guessing 1 is where windows'll stay, right?08:43
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Nomad411I'm considering buying a laptop, probably a macbook.  Anyone here running Kubuntu on a macbook?08:44
madsPGood day / evening. im on win os now . i have a little problem with the kopete msn / irc client. everytime i start it iget a complete system freeze. it worked fine yesterday. the only thing i can do to reboot is hold down the power button. i have tried to remove and add the program again , only to experience the same result.08:44
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uniqNomad411: i don't, but i run kubuntu on a ibook, and i'm very pleased :)08:44
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gplfightermadsP: Version?08:45
Nomad411madsP: I had that kind of thing happen to me before too.  I usually ended up using Gaim.  Kopete may need more maturity08:45
Nomad411uniq: thanks :)08:45
_martinhas anyone had any experience with the ACX111 Texus intrusment wireless network chip and getting it to work. with either ndiswrapper or the drivers at http://acx100.sourceforge.net08:45
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opsidaomadsP: you may try to remove ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete to "forget" all configs...08:45
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uniq_martin: yes, i used the acx100 driver a year ago or something. worked nicely.08:46
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madsPsorry , i cant tell the version. i switched over to os win now. but strange is that it usually works fine. opsidao , i will write down what you wrote there08:46
Nomad411uniq: I do web development and I need a more mobile and stable machine for working.  I wonder if I'll enjoy OS X as much as I always did linux, or even more08:46
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gplfightermadsP: is it n apt-get kopete?08:47
uniqNomad411: i can't stand osx.08:47
Nomad411lol08:47
gplfighterfrom the kubuntu repo's?08:47
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Nomad411I wonder if I should invest so much..08:47
_martinuniq, you used the driver then rather than ndiswrapper?08:47
madsPok yes thats where i did it08:47
tripAnyone else have issues with gaims fonts/configuration after upgrade kubuntu?08:47
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tripI noticed there were numerous gtk upgrades so I thought that may have caused it08:47
uniq_martin: i used the driver, yes. never used ndiswrapper.08:47
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madsPor no the add reomove i think in the upper left menu in the buttom08:47
_martinuniq, and that was under kubuntu as well?08:47
uniq_martin: that was debian, but it's much about the same.08:48
_martinOk. ta.08:48
uniqNomad411: I love apple hardware, can't say the same about osx, though.08:48
Nomad411uniq: Ahh ok, as I thought too :)08:49
Nomad411uniq: So you think teh extra $ are worth it.08:50
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gplfightermadsP: srry. problems with.... kopete here08:50
gplfighterwait a second please08:50
uniqNomad411: depends what the alternative is. I love my ibook 12", tiny and shiny. White, not the same black plastic design as everyone else. Only thing i miss is a rs232 port.08:51
SurgerErikTheRed: I may have the solution - got to test it out first. brb08:51
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ErikTheRedNomad411: what laptops are you wondering about?08:53
Nomad411No particular model, it's more a "Do I pay more for a macbook and have all 3 OSes available, OR get more HD for my $ by going Compaq or Toshiba?"08:54
Nomad411nice to have the 3 OSes so that i can test websites on all 308:55
uniqi like compaq too. :)08:55
ErikTheRedwell the only real downside to the macbook is the price preium08:55
ErikTheRed*premium08:55
ErikTheRedand the exploding batteries :-P08:55
Nomad411???   :)08:56
Lars_F How do I force a redetection of network cards, or add it manually?08:56
uniqdies macbook have that problem too?08:56
uniqi remember i just missed that on my ibook.08:56
ErikTheRedyeah i've seen quite a few stories of macbooks having batteries that catch on fire as well08:56
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ErikTheRedalong with the Dells of course08:56
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Nomad411So teh macbook is more of a "winter" computer?  :)08:56
Nomad411I wouldn't go Dell08:56
ErikTheRedlol08:56
ErikTheRedwhy not?08:57
ErikTheRedmost people i know with them like them a lot08:57
Nomad411really?  I must know different people.. :)  Actually, it's more from reading comments08:57
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ErikTheRedi have an Asus myself, which the power brick just died on08:57
Nomad411maybe there's more of them out there so there's more comments08:57
SurgerErikTheRed: I have it working. :)08:57
ErikTheRedsweet08:58
ErikTheRedwhat'd you have to do differently?08:58
SurgerIt's a path problem08:58
ErikTheRedah08:58
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MrBallZhi, I have aproblem mounting an external USB drive on my server , thru NFS on my laptop, it tells me " Permision denied " and I have mounted another nfs share on the same server but that's a normal hdd inside the server, what can this be ?08:58
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SurgerErikTheRed: Do this : sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8762-pkg1.run09:00
SurgerErikTheRed: cd /usr/X11R6/lib; mv modules modules.old; ln -s /usr/lib/xorg/modules modules09:00
madsPbut any ideas on why it (my kopete) suddenly dont work anymore ? i didnt change anything before i exitted it the last time09:00
Nomad411madsP: Did you try starting it from the command line to see if there are any messages?09:01
SurgerErikTheRed: cd /usr/X11R6; mv bin bin.old; ln -s ../bin .09:01
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uniqMrBallZ: i would think that is a permission problem, can users other than root read the partiton contents locally on the laptop?09:02
uniqMrBallZ: sorry, i mean locally on the server.09:02
madsPno , im new to using linux , and just used the double click method. what must i type to start it from the terminal ?09:02
uniqMrBallZ: is the filesystem ntfs?09:02
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SurgerErikTheRed: Then run the nvidia installer again, enable the nvidia stuff in the xorg.conf file and you're done. :)09:02
ErikTheRedthanks09:03
ErikTheRedi'm at work right now, but i'll give that a try when i get home09:03
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ErikTheRedtitle      Windows XP09:05
ErikTheRedroot     (hd0,0)09:05
ErikTheRedchainloader      +109:05
ErikTheRedthe root line is assuming that windows is on the first partition on your first hard drive09:05
uniqi think that was in the wrong channel erikthered. :)09:05
ErikTheRedoh dear it was09:06
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MrBallZuniq: yes, locally in the server the user can mount it, and its FAT3209:07
ubuntui just installed linux now.. too hard!!! compare to windows!09:07
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nnn0:)09:08
nnn0for some i guess09:08
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ErikTheRedit's easier and quicker than windows in my opinion09:09
Johncro13using Kubuntu Dapper flight7.  Issue: trying to get wifi using WPA_supplicant.  When I type ' wpa_supplicant -h', I get an error about libc6 not being configured.  Anyone know about this?09:09
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aliasfredyep it is easier but people are used to window09:09
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aliasfredurl ?09:10
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nnn0well it's easier to be an asshole than to be nice, but that's not an excuse to be an asshole ! ;)09:11
_martinwhats the files that holds the network info... the one that holds the properties of the various interfaces you have?09:11
farous_martin: /etc/network/interfaces09:11
_martinfarous, that be the one. Thanks.09:12
farousur welcomed:)09:12
Johncro13?09:12
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plhardy__raphink:are you online ?09:13
farousJohncro13: why aren't you using the final release09:13
raphinkI think I am09:13
raphinkam I not?09:14
raphink;)09:14
Bin_Bashcan I install the last version of klamav?09:14
Bin_BashPlease help me, i'm new user of ubuntu.09:14
plhardy__raphink: -> linuxazur ?09:14
raphinkyou can install klamav09:14
farousJohncro13: did you have the latest updates?09:15
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raphinkas for installing the last version, well I don't think klamav stopped being developped09:15
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Anders287when klamav stops developing, then you can :)09:16
Bin_Bashi'm trying but need dazuko module. I'm think my kernel not support!!! My kernel is 2.6.15-2709:16
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Ireclan_What is the timeout on nicknames?09:17
uniqMrBallZ: make sure the UID on the laptop is the same as the UID on the server. or you have a group with same GIDs with read access.09:17
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Ireclan_Does anyone know how long a ping timeout takes on this server?09:18
uniqMrBallZ: you can have a look at http://www.freeos.com/articles/3421/ for a simple guide.09:18
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Bin_Bashhow to make download the last version of kernel-sources using the apt-get?09:19
TheGateKeeperBin_Bash: there are howto's on building kernels on the ubuntu forums09:20
Ireclan_Anyone?09:20
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farousBin_Bash: ubuntu freezes. ie no updates for the kernel from the official repos except for security reasons09:20
Bin_BashTheGateKeeper: Ok, thank's.09:20
Bin_BashI go try in the kernel.org09:21
trappistBin_Bash: you don't need a new kernel for dazuko09:21
trappistBin_Bash: you just build it against the source of the running kernel.  should work fine.09:22
TheGateKeeperBin_Bash: mixture of info in the forums and kernel.org will probable get you to where you want to be :-)09:22
farousBin_Bash: have a look at that too http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html09:22
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Bin_Bashthank's, i'm see now!!!09:23
Ireclan_Anyone?09:23
Ireclan_Ping timeout length?09:24
trappistBin_Bash: I just built dazuko successfully09:24
_martinFollowing http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/ACX I come to make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build M=`pwd` and I get *** No Targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.09:24
_martinI'm just following instructions =/09:24
Bin_Bashtrappist: ok!09:25
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ChicoryHey, everybody.09:28
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IreclanFINALLY!09:28
IreclanOK......09:29
IreclanI have a problem installing my printer.09:29
ChicoryHey, there's something really weird with some of my systems dialog windows -- all of the characters are replaced with blank boxes.09:29
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ChicoryIt seems like there's something screwy with the font, but this has only happened after I updated yesterday.09:29
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IreclanAnyway, while trying to install my printer, I get the following error message:09:30
damian_!x09:30
ubotux is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto09:30
ChicoryThanks, Damian.09:31
GBKi'm having problems with my usb memory stick not detected anymore when I plug it in09:31
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IreclanIn the title bar, it says "Error- KDE Control Module"09:31
IreclanThen:09:31
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vigilant_nickserve hates me09:33
vigilant_:)09:33
vigilant_hello peeps09:33
HawkwindLearn how to use it and it won't09:33
vigilant_i love kubuntu!09:33
vigilant_i dont want to "own" my nickname09:33
vigilant_i want it to be free like efnet09:34
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HawkwindThen anyone can take it09:34
vigilant_so it should be09:34
IreclanUnable to load the requested driver: Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-DeskJet_832C,hpijs] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation.09:34
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Hawkwindvigilant_: So drop the nick09:34
vigilant_why should i be able to own a word09:34
vigilant_noway09:34
vigilant_if i wanna be vigilant i should be able to09:34
Hawkwindvigilant_: I mean, drop the registration with nickserv09:35
IreclanShall I proceed with more information, or is that enough to diagnose the problem?09:35
vigilant_oh yeah09:35
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vigilant_yeah im dropping it :)09:35
IreclanAnyone?09:36
yo_hello !! where are the french people ??09:36
Hawkwindyo_: #Kubuntu-FR09:36
yo_yes it's logique ;-)09:36
IreclanAnyone at all?09:36
yo_thanks , i am ney09:36
yo_new09:37
HawkwindIreclan: Patience.  If/When someone knows they will certainly help you09:37
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vigilanti love kubuntu!09:40
IreclanI would too, if I could print...09:40
vigilantyou will be able to, cause there are lovable people developing it too!09:42
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vigilantthank you developers:)09:42
draikHey Hawkwind09:42
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MrBallZQuestion: I can't seem to share an external HDD over NFS, when an Internal HDD can be shared, any pointers to this solution?  External HDD is Fat32 and usb on a server in the same network as client that wants it mounted09:42
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vigilantdoes anyone know how to get my gmail account work in my konqueror browser?09:43
Hawkwinddraik: Good afternoon09:44
vigilantQuestion: does anyone know how to get my gmail account work in my konqueror browser? even09:44
MrBallZvigilant: I think Konkeror isn't suported09:44
Hawkwindvigilant: What doesn't work about it ?09:44
MrBallZonly  IE and FF09:44
vigilantit isnt supported09:44
HawkwindMrBallZ: Not true.  It works here09:45
vigilantaha09:45
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draikHawkwind, just thought I'd stop by and say "HI"09:45
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vigilanti tried to use the dont check my browser link they provided, but then it started saying thatsome script was making my kubuntu slow and asked if i wanted to cancel the script 8 times or continue, i tried both, just shows the page but nothing clickable09:46
trappistHawkwind: there is a difference between supported and 'works for me'09:46
vigilantI got the ordinary html page, but its impossible to go to settings from there09:46
vigilantsince its html09:46
vigilantand not the scary scripts09:46
Hawkwindtrappist: AFAIK gmail is supported in konqueror. If it wasn't it wouldn't work09:46
vigilantit says on their page that it isnt supported09:47
vigilantwell, the page i got to anyway09:47
vigilantmaybe there is some java package i need?09:47
uniqMrBallZ: mount the fat partition with the desired umask, to let others access it. Gentoo has a good explanation: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mount_Windows_partitions_(DOS,_FAT,NTFS)#umask:_octal_file_permissions09:47
vigilantor some other script stuff09:47
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trappistHawkwind: 'supported' means they decided to make sure it works in the browser.  ff and ie are supported because there's browser-specific code, lots of tests, etc.  they haven't put any effort into konqueror, so some things will probably work and some won't09:47
vigilantshould i give up and try to find a firefox for linux instead of konqueror?09:48
CornelliusI've downloaded a window decoration for KDE from KDE-LOOK, but I don't know where to unzip it. Anyone can help ?09:48
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spiffytechHey09:49
vigilantheya spiffy09:49
narvik86Cornellius: it should wrote in readme09:50
spiffytechMy sound in Kubuntu has been delayed by ~.25 seconds always, and I've been trying to fix it, but now it's completely broken09:50
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vigilantooh narvik, i just moved from narvik XD09:50
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narvik86:)09:50
narvik86but i'am 86 :)09:50
spiffytechI would try something like "alsaconf", but that doesn't seem to work in Kubuntu09:50
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vigilant86 years old??09:51
knownstranger.09:51
vigilantcool09:51
vigilant:)09:51
narvik861986 :)09:51
fritschaliasfred:09:51
vigilantaha09:51
fritschsorry09:51
vigilantand in poland hehe09:51
vigilantnarvik is in norway u know?09:51
narvik86how do you know?09:51
vigilantim born in 80 myself09:51
vigilantcause i just moved from narvik this year.. and it was in norway then09:52
narvik86but how do you know that i'am from PL?09:52
vigilant/whois09:52
vigilant/whois narvik8609:53
vigilantwell09:53
narvik86vigilant: Tobias B... :)09:53
vigilantooh09:53
vigilantim noob :P09:53
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vigilantmy first kubuntu day so didnt look at stuff09:53
narvik86like me :)09:53
apeman2020ubotu: where is apeman202009:54
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david_____Hello all!09:54
overdrivehi09:55
david_____I need HELP!09:55
narvik86hi09:55
david_____Im new to kubuntu09:55
david_____and adept is only showing the installed packages,09:55
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david_____it doesnt show others09:55
david_____I fetch updates but it stays the same09:56
david_____any ideas_09:56
david_____?09:56
narvik86search by name09:56
overdriveI think u need to activate repositories09:56
narvik86searching works?09:56
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david_____searching works, but it only shows installed packages\09:57
vigilantnarvik: I cant answer pm cus im not a registered user or something :(09:57
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Hawkwindvigilant: Identify to nickserv and you can accept pm's as your nick *is* registered09:57
trappist!register > vigilant09:57
narvik86vigilant: but it is similiar :)09:58
trappistnm09:58
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overdriveif u installed kubuntu without internet connection (or wireless), repositories are deactivated09:58
vigilant!register09:58
ubotuInformation about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration09:58
vigilant!register vigilant09:58
ubotuI know nothing about register vigilant - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu09:58
vigilanthmm09:58
vigilantaha!09:58
vigilantrtfm!09:58
GBKhow can I get kubuntu dapper back the way it was? I removed or added some things, now a lot of apps won't work as it used to09:58
david_____overdrive: that's it! how can i get them  activated?09:59
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narvik86david_____: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic09:59
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IreclanI'm having printer problems.10:00
overdrivedavid_____ :on top, can u see menu "Expert"?10:00
Ireclan<Ireclan> Unable to load the requested driver: Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-DeskJet_832C,hpijs] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation.10:00
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david_____overdrive: nope10:01
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trappistGBK: try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'10:02
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vigilant_im regggistered, may the fbi not get my email10:02
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overdrivedavid______:close adept10:04
david_____overdrive: Im looking at the manage repositories list but i have no idea which one to choose10:04
hagusdraik10:04
draikhagus10:04
david_____overdrive: done10:04
overdrivego MenuK > System > adept10:04
hagusIt WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!10:04
david_____done10:04
draikcongrats hagus10:04
draikI'm glas10:04
draik*glad10:04
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GBKtrappist: will do. will it restore the buggered things?10:04
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hagusMy wife can now print through my printer even if I am using linux on it rather than winxp :)10:06
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david_____overdrive: now what?10:06
hagusSo, DaSkreech, I shall be doubly happy tonight :)10:06
draikhagus, you are very welcome10:06
DaSkreechhagus: All right :)10:06
overdriveok david10:06
DaSkreechdraik: Right on :)10:06
hagusI can see her shared files too :)10:07
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hagusSo, I am in a very good mood.10:07
overdrivewhats the firts option menu on your adept10:07
DaSkreechSee if you can convince your girlfriend to give you a kiss for that as well.10:07
overdriveon top10:07
DaSkreechdraik: Don't forget to open the tux suit ;-)10:07
draikDaSkreech, it's was easy, I did the same thing before. Besides, the wiki tutorial is a bit off10:07
draikLOL10:07
david_____adept>fetch updates10:07
DaSkreechMight be time to update it?10:07
draikDaSkreech, I am actually talking to my gf at this moment and she's wondering why I am lauging like a nut10:08
DaSkreechtell he Daskreech is a funny kook :)10:08
DaSkreechher10:08
david_____and below it, manage repositories10:08
hagusdraik deserves a big smacker from his gf for the help that he gave me - :)10:08
BluesKajok guys , How do I upgrade from KDE 3.5.3 to 3.5.4 ?10:08
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overdrivesecond? is admin repositories???10:08
david_____yes10:08
overdriveor similar10:08
overdriveok10:08
overdriveclick10:08
fakstaif I may ask a question.. how do I mount an image (iso) in kubuntu. do I need some kind of 3rd party software or can the 'mount' thing be used here?10:09
david_____done10:09
trappistBluesKaj: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php10:09
david_____none of them are selected10:09
overdriveok10:09
trappistfaksta: sudo mount -o loop filename.iso /mnt/point10:09
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fakstaI'll try that, thanks!10:09
IreclanAnyone here familiare with printer installation?10:10
overdrivenow ... select all the lines who starts with "deb" push rigth button and press "Enable" option10:10
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vakahow can i change the root password?10:10
DaSkreechdraik:<whisper> Guess you never made it to the costume shop </whisper>10:10
overdriveI've spanish version10:10
overdriveXD10:10
DaSkreechvaka: There is no root password10:10
vakai know10:11
vakabut there is a command10:11
DaSkreech!root10:11
ubotusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.10:11
vakapwd root or some like this10:11
DaSkreechpasswd root10:11
david_____overdrive: just deb or deb-src too?10:11
fakstapasswd10:11
faksta:)10:11
vakaty10:11
overdriveboth10:11
david_____done10:12
david_____overdrive: hablas espanol_10:12
david_____?10:12
overdrivesi10:12
overdrivejeje10:12
overdrivesoy espaol10:12
BluesKajI've dL'd Konstruct, but how do I install the KDE UPgrade .. trappist, Ive been to http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php and copied the reos there to the sources.list , but now what's next ?10:12
BluesKajrepos10:12
Ireclan*sigh*10:12
david_____jaajjajja10:12
david_____soy de venezuela10:12
david_____jajaja10:12
overdriveanda10:12
overdriveyo de espaa10:12
vakayo soy espaol10:12
david_____saludos a la madre espana!10:13
overdrivejejeje10:13
overdriveigualmente10:13
david_____de donde sois_10:13
vakabarcelona10:13
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overdrivetios pasaros por #kubuntu-es y alli podreis preguntar en espaol10:13
david_____que bien10:13
hagusThe thing that really impressed me about the way in which draik led me through was how easy he made it - he did not even bark at me when I could not do simple things like find out the ip address of my computer - he told me how to do it.  I am most grateful. So, take a bow, DRAIK :)10:13
david_____Cool10:13
_martin has anyone installed the acx100 drivers from http://acx100.sourceforge.net on kubtuntu. Or can you help uniq? when I come to make terminal just reports *** No targets specified and no mkaefile found. Stop/10:14
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Doodluvyou must ./configure10:14
david_____overdrive: thanks man! It's downloading headers now!10:14
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_martinno such file or directory.10:14
overdrivedavid_____: ok !!!10:14
trappistBluesKaj: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade10:14
IreclanAnyone recieving this error when trying to install a new printer?10:15
Doodluv_martin: are you in the uncompressed directory, the top level of the source?10:15
draikvaka, si es posible creando una clave para root10:15
gregHi you all. Is anyone in here making a living with Linux? I'm considering going to a tech scool and getting certified>10:15
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Ireclan <Ireclan> Unable to load the requested driver: Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-DeskJet_832C,hpijs] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation.10:15
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vakadraik ya me lo solucionaron gracias10:15
_martinDoodluv, yes. I type make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build M=`pwd` and get the error10:15
BluesKajthx trappist10:15
draikvaka, de nada10:16
draikvaka, para la proxima10:16
Doodluvthats the error you get if there is no make file, are you sure that is the src?10:16
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Doodluv*makefile10:16
draikDaSkreech is what???10:16
_martinDoodluv: I am in the directory I unpacked the tarball10:17
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BluesKaj0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. ??10:17
draikDaSkreech should use that money for typing courses!!!10:17
soulriderhas anyone tried running utorrent with wine ?10:17
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DaSkreechdraik: Naaaw I'll just put in a spell check module to konversation10:17
uniq_martin: you shouldn't need to compile it yourself, it is included with kubuntu.10:17
gregDaSkreech: did you get aq certification? How are you making money?10:17
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DaSkreechOr better yet just call K built in spell checker10:18
draikDaSkreech, that's a better idea... and voice recognition would be MUCH appreciated10:18
Combatjuansoulrider: This isn't an answer to your question, but ktorrent is my favorite bittorrent client.  It's quite nice.10:18
uniq_martin: the module name is 'acx_pci', if you insert the card it should be automatically loaded.10:18
BluesKajok working now10:18
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DaSkreechgreg: training and setting up servers and scripts for small clients. I'm looking at LPI certification10:18
Doodluvhmm10:18
uniq_martin: if it's not you can run 'sudo modprobe acx_pci' in konsole, and check the output of 'dmesg' to see if it successfully loaded.10:18
Doodluvthanks uniq i had no clue10:18
DaSkreechdraik: Is there a standard Kvoice lib?10:18
Doodluvmodprobe10:18
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draiklet me check10:19
gregDaSkreech: what's LPI certification?10:19
DaSkreechhttp://www.lpi.org10:19
draikLowest Possible Intelligence???10:19
_martinuniq: modprobe acx_pci produces nothing.10:19
DaSkreechalso known as a way to sob yourself to sleep at night10:19
soulriderCombatjuan: id otn think it supports DHT, adn thats a major downside. And i allways have trouble connect to trackers with ktorrent10:20
DaSkreechLinux Professional institute10:20
_martinuniq, I have had the card installed.. though it is PCMIA on a latop. whether that makes a difference.10:20
DaSkreechthey have an UBuntu cert :)10:20
DaSkreechBloody hard exam though. Make sure your testosterone count is high cause it will drain it righ off10:20
uniq_martin: shouldn't make a difference, you just need to make sure pcmcia-cs is running.10:20
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uniq_martin: check that it is listen in 'lspci'10:21
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draikDaSkreech, not that I was able to find10:21
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MrBallZuniq: thanks a lot !!! , it was the stupid umask that wasn't letting me access the damn drive  =) , thanks10:21
DaSkreechDrat10:21
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draikDaSkreech, knock yourself out... http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&q=kvoice&btnG=Search10:23
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_martinuniq, dmesg does have a long log about acx and suggests some links...10:23
_martinuniq: I'm guessing it knows it's there.10:23
rotmanHi, I want to play midi files, but get the message that /dev/sequencer can not be found. How do I fix that?10:24
trappistrotman: load the midi driver for your sound card, if it has one10:26
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trappistor try sudo modprobe snd-seq-midi10:27
draikDaSkreech, http://www.costumecraze.com/ANML40.html10:28
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DaSkreechha ha ha :)10:28
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DaSkreechWell done :)10:28
DaSkreechThen after that you can get her a Konqui koustume :)10:29
draikDid you click on the image10:29
draikNice blue eyes on the Penguin10:29
DaSkreechWas I to?10:30
overdrivejeje10:30
DaSkreechAnd no Zipper lines :)10:30
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timtheliondoes anyone know why adacity doesn't detect my audio i\o device?10:31
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draikDaSkreech, I was just thinking about hooking up a clear-tube hose and have it pissing on a window10:32
timthelionit say's there was an error initializing the audio i/o layer10:32
uniqMrBallZ: glad you got it working :)10:32
uniq_martin: do you see it in 'lspci' ?10:33
DaSkreechI'm not sure I know why that would be helping your GF come to the enlightened side but I guess you know her best :)10:33
draikwater that falls gets returned into a pump to a reseviour and out at the window again10:33
jacqueswhere is synaptic storing its cache?10:33
draikLOL10:33
draikDaSkreech, it's all about visual-aids10:33
_martinuniq, yes10:33
MrBallZbye bye10:34
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_martinuniq: the card is there in lspci.10:34
uniq_martin: is it in 'ifconfig -a' ?10:34
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vakaemacs rlz!10:34
BluesKajhmmm, well trappist I did the cmds , for upgrade the dist , but i'm still in KDE 3.5.310:34
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uniqjacques: /var/cache/apt/archives/10:34
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_martinuniq: I have something under wlan010:35
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uniq_martin: that's probably it then. did you try to configure it?10:35
_martinuniq: no.. where would I configure it?10:36
BluesKaj0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.10:36
uniq_martin: alt+f2 'kdesu wlassistant'10:37
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_martinuniq: wlassistant not found.. what package is that under?10:38
uniq_martin: is this dapper?10:38
trappistBluesKaj: try again to do just 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade', then log out and log back in10:38
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uniq_martin: if you have dapper, the package has the same name. 'wlassistant'10:38
_martinuniq: breezy10:39
uniq_martin: ah.. ok hang on, checking.10:39
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GBKwhere's synaptic's cache file?10:39
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BluesKajI did logout and back in10:40
BluesKajok , try again10:40
Doodluv/var/cache/apt/archives10:41
uniq_martin: try kmenu -> internet -> kwifimanager10:41
uniqhaven't used breezy for ages so i don't know how usable kwifimanager actually is though.10:42
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uniqGBK: as doodluv says, /var/cache/apt/archives, but it's not one file, it's a directory with all the downloaded files. :)10:42
GBKuniq: thanx a mil. I'm backing up already!10:43
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_martinuniq: yeah.. that works. I have a window now.10:43
Doodluvoh cache 'file' didnt catch that10:44
uniq_martin: great, don't ask me how to use it, i have no clue :)10:44
_martinuniq: righto. Thanks!10:44
GBKdoodluv: thanx!10:44
DoodluvGBK: np10:44
Gun_SmokeLooking for documentation on installing themes in kde.10:46
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GBKwhen selecting a file to compress, it ask to "compress as apt-move *something* what's the difference? which ones have the best compression for a usb stick?10:47
uniqbzip2 is good.10:48
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uniqtar.bz2 if that's a option.10:48
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Gun_SmokeWhat is the terminal command to bring up the extra option for kde graphics etc.. themes, icons time and such?10:51
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Gun_SmokeI had it written down here someplace...........10:51
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trappistGun_Smoke: kcontrol?10:52
GBKoh hog. now that I select a couple of files is asked for bzip, tar,gzip, zip.Which one is best?10:52
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Gun_Smokesounds right.10:52
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uniqGBK: bzip has best compression.10:52
trappistGBK: tar doesn't compress. bzip2 will usually get you the best compression, but it also (usually) takes longer than gzip.  zip is for girls.10:52
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gplfighterlol @ trappist10:53
pyromaniactomzip is for windows :p10:53
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GBKtrappist: you have a dirty mind!10:53
trappistwell, tar will compress if you tell it to use bzip2 or gzip compression (j or z respectively)10:53
_martinis there any documentation on the /etc/network/interface file anywhere? I need to configure it so I can swap between two networks now..?10:53
trappist_martin: man interfaces ;)10:54
GBKOh well, will play a bit and see what gives me the best option10:54
gplfighteridd10:54
gplfightertrue trappist10:54
_martintrappist: arf. thanks.10:54
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luke_anyone get a memory leak with the fglrx drivers?10:56
pavel_hellow everybody10:56
GBKhas anyone figured out how to play wmv files yet? I've read that Windows media player works with wine10:56
narvik86vlc can open wmv10:56
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pavel_to plary wmv install xine and add codecs in /usr/lib/codecs10:57
pavel_to play wmv install xine and add codecs in /usr/lib/codecs10:57
GBKnarvik86: mine only plays the sound10:57
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uniqGBK: you don't want windows media player on linux, codeine, kaffeine, xine, and mplayer are all much better than wmp.10:57
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narvik86and mplayer?10:57
luke_anyone know how to fix a memory leak in fglrx?10:58
pavel_mplayer doesn't play wmv (from .deb)10:58
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Gun_Smoketrappist:  Thanks that was it.  And why can't I drag a theme in?10:58
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trappistGun_Smoke: probably hasn't been coded in.  make a feature request.10:58
Gun_Smoketrappist:  uhhh. I don't know what that is.10:59
uniqpavel_: with w32codecs it does.10:59
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GBKuniq: kaffeine don't play it either. never tried codeine, and synaptic have gxine only. is it the same?10:59
uniqcodeine is basically a much better interface to xine.11:00
Gun_SmokeVLC has worked for just about everything I've needed to play11:00
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pavel_if you compile after you create folder in /.../codecs11:00
uniq!codecs11:00
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats11:00
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trappistGun_Smoke: a feature request is when you request a new feature for an application11:01
Gun_SmokeOh, through whom?11:01
pavel_does enybody knows how install ati drivers in kubuntu?11:01
trappistGun_Smoke: bugs.kde.org I think11:01
h3sp4wnI know a number of different ways11:01
luke_does anyone know how to fix the memory leak with the fglrx drivers?11:02
narvik86pavel_: wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide11:02
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Gun_Smoketrappist:  I'll check that out.. I looked all over kde-look.org for information on how to install themes, I can't figure it out.11:02
pavel_I did this: didn't help11:02
uniqgnite all.11:03
narvik86mothod I is good, for me11:03
narvik86gn811:03
fabian_hey guys... i updated from kde 3.5.3 to kde 3.5.4 and now I cannot "Unlock" my kicker-bar, is there any fix?11:03
h3sp4wnluke_: Are you using the latest ones ?11:03
narvik86h3sp4wn: he is using those from this tut wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide11:04
pavel_I use the last one11:04
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h3sp4wnluke_: get the latest ones from ati.com sh ATI-blah.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/dapper11:04
pavel_8.27.1011:05
trappistGun_Smoke: the tarball you downloaded should have a README file that includes installation instructions11:05
luke_h3sp4wn how can i check what version i have?11:05
h3sp4wnluke_: fglrxinfo (I think that is the name of it()11:05
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pavel_I know that. I have a lot of instructions and I still can't do this11:06
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narvik86h3sp4wn: what are your stets to install latest ati drivers?11:06
narvik86steps*11:07
pavel_I tried to make them for my sistem - its avalible to do and use ubuntu packadge11:07
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h3sp4wnnarvik86: run the file you download --buildpkg ubuntu/dapper11:08
h3sp4wninstall the deb's it creates11:08
narvik86thats all?11:09
pavel_when I reboot system - OS works, but I have black screen11:09
Gun_Smoketrappist:  its a tar.bz2 ... And Ark can't extract it?11:09
pavel_I did this11:09
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narvik86do i need to remove actual drivers?11:09
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pavel_I genetated *.deb, install, install modules and then reboot11:09
pavel_what mesa is?11:10
narvik86pavel_: what modules?11:10
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pavel_there are kernel modules in one deb packadge11:11
narvik86how to install them?11:11
GBKback to compression. does not matter what compression I choose, it takes for ever. even a 2meg file still have not completed after about 3min. is that normal11:11
pavel_use module assistant11:12
narvik86h3sp4wn: maybe you have link to some howto? do i need to remove previous drivers?11:12
narvik86pavel_: step by step please :)11:13
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chuck1laptop thief http://www.boind.com/fs.php?url=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=206184289078378223811:13
pavel_ Method 2 in your help11:13
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Gun_SmokeTrying to extract tar.bz2 I get this. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1996511:14
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luke_do you have to uninstall the old fglrx driver before installing the new one?11:16
pavel_I don't know. May be there is a driver wich I install in setup11:17
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pavel_in installing kubuntu11:18
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h3sp4wn narvik86: I never used a howto just ATI-driver-installer-whatever.run --help (which informed me you could build packages for dapper)11:18
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pavel_strange. I use kubuntu dapper...11:19
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h3sp4wnI think I may have built the kernel module manually (so as to use the highmem.h from the ubuntu patches11:19
h3sp4wnfortunately I now have a nvidia card (we are talking the drivers before the ones you are trying to install)11:20
pavel_may by I have to change something in xorg.conf?11:21
h3sp4wnpavel_: Have you blacklisted fglrx (from the old version)11:21
narvik86i have working ati drivers, but i want to be prepare for future :)11:21
pavel_in  /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common ? yes.11:22
h3sp4wndo you get any build problems ?11:23
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h3sp4wnthe module not compiling properly or anything ?11:23
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Ademanhey in qparted "set active" does that change the primary partition? or what?11:26
pavel_I can't rebuild my kernel - I don't know how. Use make xconfig and11:26
pavel_I don't know what to do next11:27
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farouspavel_: why do you want to rebuild your kernel11:27
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pavel_In one how-to they told me to rebuild the kernel. In log file of installetion fglrx there were information about install. And modules did't install properly11:29
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h3sp4wnDo you need anything else that is in restricted modules ?11:29
farouspavel_: you need to rebuild your kernel to run the fglrx i am just trying to make sure i understand you properly11:30
h3sp4wnfarous: Why is that ?11:30
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faroush3sp4wn: why is what?11:30
faroussorry i can not understand11:30
pavel_I put there only DISABLED_MODULES="fglrx"11:31
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h3sp4wnpavel_: in /lib/modules/kernelversion/ do you have volatile11:31
faroush3sp4wn: i have the fglrx driver running properly on one box. and am running the other box with 3-d accel using the opensource drivers11:32
farousso am just trying to understand what pavel_ want so i can help him11:32
pavel_what does volatile mean? My english isn't good11:32
h3sp4wnfarous: The latest version of fglrx ? .27 I think it11:32
DaSkreechpavel_: It means not stable11:33
h3sp4wnpavel_: its a directory I think the kernel modules will be in by default11:33
DaSkreechpavel_: Likely to dissappear or change11:33
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farouspavel_: is installing the driver from the repos did not work for you11:33
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farousanyway i think you are in good hand here got to go anyway hope you can solve your prob11:33
pavel_I can try but it can take some time. I think I tried and didn't work11:34
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pavel_I have some helps but they in russian...11:35
pavel_my system is notebook with ati mobiliti 9200 (M9)11:36
h3sp4wnpavel_: You don't need fglrx with a 9200 (radeon should give you acceleration)11:36
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pavel_You think that I don't have an acceleration?11:37
pavel_How about direct rendering?11:38
Bbettoosea que si hablara ingles me ayudarian?11:38
pavel_My quake 1 works bad with default driver11:38
h3sp4wnYou should have direct rendering and acceleration - but fglrx will have put in diverts stopping 3d working at all11:39
draikBbetto, hay canales en espanol11:39
draik!spanish11:39
ubotuPara Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.11:39
gplfighter!es11:39
gplfighter!es11:40
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pavel_In my kernel I have DRI11:40
pavel_I played in NFS MW in this device (in win) and can't pay quake 1!...?...11:41
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_martinis there a way I can view all the machines, routers, hubs etc similar to a ping command?11:51
_martinso it basically tells me whats on the network...11:52
pavel_In this how-to (http://www.opennet.ru/base/X/dri.txt.html) show how to setup DRI with fglrx11:52
h3sp4wnfglrx is not recommended for cards less than 950011:54
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pavel_What fglrx do?11:55
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pavel_In information about this version said, that it support ati mob. 920011:57
notechactually not less than an 850011:57
notechand fglrx is the ati 3d driver11:57
pavel_It's true and I need 3d...11:57
h3sp4wnnotech: radeon provides 3d for upto 9250 better than fglrx11:59
Raven301!ndiswrapper12:00
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs12:00
pavel_What chip in 9250?12:00
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pavel_Thank you, ubotu12:01
BluesKajHey guys, been tryinto upgrade to KDE 3.5.4 but i run into this problem as it tries the install the upgrades : http://pastebin.ca/12132812:02
BluesKajto install12:02
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h3sp4wnBluesKaj: What app does it relate to ? pastebin.ca is very slow from here12:04
lwizardlcan someone explain to me how I have links direct to the categories in my virtuemart cart section12:04
BluesKajit says my locale setting failed ...12:04
lwizardloops wrong window12:05
lwizardlevery few minutes i lose networking on my server box, any ideas what coul cause it12:05
BluesKaj h3sp4wn, LANGUAGE = "en_CA:en, LC_ALL = (unset),LANG = "en_CA.UTF-8"12:06
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BluesKajh3sp4wn, warning: Please check that your locale settings, are supported and installed on your system.12:07
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sigg3anyone want to help a noob?12:08
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h3sp4wnBluesKaj: What happens if you run sudo localegen ?12:08
kayleigh28go on sigg312:08
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sigg3I got the Ubuntu disk from a friend, and installed it, but I wanted KDE.12:08
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sigg3So I installed the Kubuntu-desktop package.12:08
gplfightersudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop12:08
BluesKajhow do I support and set my locale settings so12:08
sigg3But it seems I12:08
BluesKajlocalegen: command not found h3sp4wn12:08

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